Imo Marc Alaimo is the reason the Cardassians got so much focus and had their role expanded in DS9, the man's simply electric from the first time he puts on the ridges and always an absolute joy as Dukat. Between him and Robinson it's no wonder the writers had so much passion for the Cardies!
One of the best TV villains of all time, a complete tour de force every second he was onscreen. Even on inserted communications clips where Dukat is on a viewscreen, he owned the scene every time.
I was really glad DS9 managed to flesh out the Cardassians and Bajorans so well. So many species in Star Trek and so few of them have as much lore. Great job compiling all the info!
The first time I watched I was surprised how much Dumars death affected me; despite everything beforehand, he really turned out to be a good character.
While season 1 is far better than TNG's equivalent season, all I can say is it's going to get a lot better, you're going to see better character arcs on guest stars than most of Voyager's main crew
I'm gonna do a little fan theorizing, that post Dominion War, since Cardassia was a broken world whose leaders were all dead and whose population was on the verge of extinction because of both Jem'Hadar genocide tactics and post war famine, the Federation, being the only power willing and able to do this, decided to Marshall Plan them since the Cardassian Union as a political entity ceased to exist. I see Cardassia in what is now the Legacy Era, a bit like a post WWII West Germany, a great power stripped of it's might, reduced to relying on it's former enemies for survival, only to later on become a valued ally.
This is pretty close to what _Stitch in Time_ says, yeah! That has the added wrinkle of a new civilian government trying to rebuild, and that's where the Federation aid gets funnelled. Very much as Bajor was about a year before DS9 S1.
Cardassia Prime had the population being shot up by Dominion ground troops, but all the industry and stockpiles would still be intact. Plus the rest of the Cardassian Union would still be intact, which could provide supplies to Cardassia Prime. The fun part is if the Cardassian leaders actually decide to help out or if they decide to bargain for more political powers from the now-weakened Central Command. Central Command has the fun part that it is semi-recognized as Cardassian government, and Cardassia has traditionally ruled from Cardassia Prime. So lots of fun for after-war politicking.
Cardassians are probably my most favourite race in Star Trek. Even when they were just in TNG. When we got more history for them in the shows it was even better. They really stood apart from everyone else.
The whole Bajoran-Cardassian story was such a nuanced depiction of colonialism and the costs of liberation from it without ever preaching. That's peak sci-fi to me. Great stuff, as usual. Walk with The Prophets!
The sheer scale of violence unleashed upon the Cardassian population is staggering when you think about it for more then a few moments. 800 million dead - all in the space of only a few hours at most. I suspect every single city was bombarded from orbit before Jem'hadar were let loose to massacre any survivors in person - remember that most of the guards for Dominion HQ were sent out to 'help', so clearly some of it at least was done in person. More then ten times the losses during all of WW2 in a single afternoon.
Fun fact: You could only play a Cardassian in Star Trek Online indirectly. Their facial parts were categorized as "Alien". I love Marc Alamo and Andrew Robinson in DS9: they acted their hell out of their parts. Dripping with characterization, making such acts somehow almost relatable, and doing it with panache and wit. The civ you love to hate.
They are like super advanced sophisticated stone people. They can survive in 200 degrees heat, they like the heat. One thing I learned in DS9 from Garak and his Spa days lol
What boggles me is by the era of TNG, an old out of date ship that presumeably was old enough to have been IN the cardassian/federation conflict is treated as a near existential threat that cardassians can't hope to match. yet the federation continued to treat them with the same gravitas and weariness as near peers such as klingons and romulans. Hell they didn't get long range sensors til their aliance with the dominion. How in God's Own Name was there a War? How wasn't it 'The federation parked a picket line in orbit of Cardassia Prime and studiously ignored all their attempts at damaging them as a non destructive demonstration on how stupid they were being'?
My take: 1) The Nebula Class is not old, nor out of date, it is a top of the line Heavy Cruiser in 2365 and is relatively new. 2) There are a number of variations of Galor Class, and lots of them in general. While one is not a match for a Galaxy Class, most variants of Galor Class are very effective against the average starship. Again, the Cardassians have lots of Galors while Starfleet has relatively few heavier vessels like the Galaxy or Nebula. For every 100 starships, maybe 3-4 will be a Galaxy Class, and maybe 10-15 will be newer designed from 2360 on. However, as far as we've seen, 90 of the Cardassian ships would be Galors, and the remaining 10 would be Keldons. An example: Sherman tanks and T-34s were quite inferior to the Tiger and Tiger II, but there were not enough Tigers to matter and the Sherman was perfectly fine against Panzer IIIs and IVs. On the balance, the Cardassian fleet was powerful enough to make any drawn out war painful. 3) You under estimate Cardassian technology. They had advanced weapons and technology, they just didn't have the ability to mass produce their best stuff to universally equip their fleet. Even prior to the Dominion, we get glimpses of Cardassian advanced tech, like the Dreadnaught missile. 4) War is not just about the best weapon systems. It is about the balance of the forces, supply, tactics, doctrine and circumstance. The Cardassian Union represents a very dense concentration of military power. Because the Union is small compared to the Federation, and doesn't border any other major powers, it can concentrate 100% of of its military power in a small area allowing for sufficient mass to cause issues even for a far superior power. Moreover, the Federation has to defend vast borders and against several major powers. Whereas the Cardassians could mass all the forces in one place, are fighting in their support zone and have fortified their systems. The Federation would have a difficult time massing enough forces on the Cardassian front without denuding the rest of Federation space. Add to this that Starfleet had grown complacent and less oriented toward conflict during the "Long Peace." An analogous example is the US and North Korea. The United States is many times more powerful than North Korea. However, to invade and destroy the NK military would be too costly for the US to consider.
@@OrangeRiver Thanks for the vid. Also, I keep meaning to do a detailed fanfic about the Cardassian-Federation war, focused on the era 2358-63, mainly: may finally get round to starting it, this month! Dates and details vary, so research had to be selective.
I know you don't usually include beta canon tidbits, but I love that you included the Hebitian stuff in this one. That's literally all I was hoping for when you mentioned this was coming up haha
I loved the idea of the Maquis within the federation. Like a really bad splinter that wont go away till removed. & Shakespeare is best read in its original (non Klingon) Cardassian tounge. I enjoyed Never Ending Sacrifice. 🖖✌️
Dukat, Damar, and Wayoun were just perfectly cast for DS9. I'm glad cardassian story bleed from TNG to DS9 and even some Voyager. Looking forward to the Dominion War series in development.
Disappointed we haven't seen much of them in awhile. Yes, Star Trek has been in nostalgia mode for some time, and it's hard to account for Kirk's Enterprise never meeting them if they pulled contact with the Cardassians back that far, but they should start appearing again in the next show to be set later on.
When they infiltrate Cardassia and find that a lot of ordinary Cardassians were disturbed by the treatment of the Bajorans that was one of the finest things I've seen. I always imagine that sort of redeeming thing hidden behind antagonists in TV but it's so rarely part of the actual story.
Thank you for acknowledging our 300,000 years. I watch many anthropology channels and many so-called experts are still saying 200,000 and some even say only 100,000
My first thought when clicking was how Cardassians were Bajorian colonists who forgot their origins. Or. Surpressed the knowledge. Sounds like Cardassians. A twist could be the Cardies occupied Bajor because those in charge wanted to retake their home planet, never fully telling the public. Perhaps a Botany Bay of rebels who created a civilization and returned home.
Unfortunately I think your answer's right there: they were in like two episodes and they have lower name recognition than my cat :/ (Jokes aside I've done videos about niche species before like Sheliak so we'll see!)
I always wondered why the Federation signed such a crap treaty when their ships seem to pose little match for Starfleet. Look at how the Phoenix made short work of everything it faced in The Wounded and only the Enterprise was finally able to stop them.
It's likely a matter of the Federation and Starfleet being stretched way too thin. The number of border conflicts they got into during the Lost Era seemed to be pretty crazy - the Talarians, the Tzenkethi, the Cardassians. It seemed to suggest that in the 70-odd year period they had three Trek versions of Vietnam, and unlike the existential conflict with the Dominion, they had a lot of internal conflicts about whether the Federation should even be involved (TNG "Unification"). Given that the Klingons and Romulans were much less of a threat and these weren't likely to be proxy wars, it was more likely related to a massive expansion of the Federation over that period, where colonists encroached on disputed territories in multiple locations at a time when Starfleet became much less combat oriented with much less of a capacity to fight major conflicts.
Perhaps the Federation didn't want to expend the effort to make the Cardassians stop? Similar to Chamberlain and his treaty with Germany managing to get 'peace in our time'.
as someone who is autistic, and deeply insincere and disingenuous, i had a real interesting conversation with my parents about this episode and why the number of lights was so important
I believe that when that Bajoran light ship crashed on Cardassia the Bajorn Survivors was integrated into Cardassian society. By the time of the occupation thousands of Cardassians had some Bajorn in their family tree.
Thank you for another excellent episode! I enjoy these expansive histories. I've only watched DS9 one time, but I'll probably go through it again with my wife sometime (since she's not seen it). God be with you out there everybody! ✝️ :)
Actually I have to disagree with the implication that Cardassia will really struggle following the War. Whereas it is true Cardassia Prime suffered a lot of damage, the rest of the Union did not. Actual ground fighting was limited to a handful of systems. Moreover the terms of the Treaty of Bajor were very easy on Cardassia with no territorial losses and the Dominion leaving the Alpha Quadrant within 52 hours, leaving a lot of equipment behind. The Cardassians inherited the mostly intact Dominion industrial and technology base and as a consequence they catch up with the other powers in tech overnight. The Dominion tech surmounted the resource poor limitations of Cardassian space, and created the largest industrial base in the quadrant. This will undoubtedly help the Cardassians rebuild Cardassia Prime. Finally, the Cardassian Fleet suffered the least amount of damage in the final battle. Moreover, the Federation has offered military assistance to Cardassia and the Union is more or less protected by Starfleet. This will not only prevent other powers from interfering with Cardassia's recovery, but with less of an onus on defense, Cardassia is free to focus on rebuilding and internal development. It is my firm belief that by 2385, the Cardassian Union will be highly prosperous, an economic and technological power, and able to field a new fleet of advanced warships that are every bit the peer of the Klingons or Federation.
A lot of people like to paint the Cardassians as Germany of the 1930's and 40's, but I see them more as Italy of the same era. This painting gives the Bajorans the role of the French, the Klingons that of the British and the Federation that of America. The Romulans are, of course, Russia (in this case at least).
I always think the furengi as extram version of the USA of today , Klingons as Russians, vulcans as Japanese, Romulans as Chinese, cadassians as Arabs (iran, Iraq etc...) and the federation a better version of humans
@@matthewparkes2336 the more usual interpretation of the ferengi is that of the 1980's Yuppie/Wall Street culture. Personally, I see them as more of a Venice city state or even Switzerland analogue - independent and wealthy, gaining defence (and bloody good defence at that) through investment and buying power, remaining at least nominally independent while supplying both sides what they require, for the right price.
Even though there are some really interesting species in the Star Trek Universe, the Cardassians are probably the most interesting. A little shorter than I was expecting but still great.
Idk why but I’m trying to remember if the xepolites are at all related to cardassians, they share similar features, can breed if I remember right and are right next to each other
Probably the single most complex race in Star Trek. This unearned feeling of superiority leading to so many losses, so many failures, but with an ultimately survivalist approach behind it makes the Cardassians sometimes hated, but often sympathetic.
Like I was decades ago when that light-ship episode premiered close to the time that Dukat's half-Bajoran daughter (a mix which was implied to not be super-rare), I'm on team "Cardassians and Bajorans are close cousins, different breeds of the same species."
One thing that always bugs me about the aliens in Trek is how often they have warp drive hundreds of years prior to Earth but humans catch up to the same warp speeds in less then a century. How Earth didn't become a target for colonialism or easily accessible resources when it is with a couple dozen light years of warp capable powers always confuses me.
Yep. As we've seen throughout the series, in some alternate timelines where Vulcans don't make first contact with us in 2063, Earth is conquered by the Romulan Star Empire. (Or the Klingons, in some beta works.)
One idea for how tech gets spread so well, is Ferengi traders. They buy older warp drives from established races at a discount, then sell those older warp drives to barely-starting races for much higher value, making money in the process. For example if the Vulcans had Warp drives capable of Warp 6, then a Ferengi trader might try to buy older warp drives that are only good for Warp four. The Ferengi then go to Earth that only has Warp 2 and Warp 3 engines being churned out, and sell those Warp four drives. This would only be practical if the Ferengi could access those worlds though.
Gul Dukat was such an awesome character until the writers got upset that their viewers liked him a bit too much. Turned him into a one dimensional mustache twirling villain
Its scary in the Star Trek universe to see how advanced other races were compared to Humans, Cardasians have space travel while we still think the wheel is pretty cool Haha
Sto cannon would see the cardassians sort of join the UFP under console garak. The rebuilding of cardassia was a long process taking decades, the true way would become those who were followers of the pre dominion union and became a well armed terrorist group. In 2411 the cardassians would join the lukari and new dominion to help rebuild the hur'q assembly In the 29th century a cardassian would work with the 25th century ufp with keeping an eye on the timeline
I don't think Bajorans and Cardassians are related. Their anatomy is too different to indicate a common origin. Instead I think the reason they're able to have (I believe non-fertile offspring) is due to having a concidentally similar biochemistry. Hybrids would need medical intervention to have biological children, I think.
I had a suspicion Liliana Ghemor stole her Mirror Universe counterpart's identity, and attempted to replace Intendant Kira. It failed, and she became stowaway aboard _ISS Voyager_ .
I don't like the theory that the Bajoran and Cardassians could have evolved from a common ancestor. It's not original. We've seen that with the Vulcans and the Romulans, and again with the two species in Star Trek: Insurrection.
I also find it unlikely, although it does make you wonder just what kind of stuff went down during that 94% of Bajoran history before the Prophets showed up :0
I would love a tv series based on the Maquis. Maybe based on the remaining survivors restarting the group followed by new members and trying to form their own independent government.
Does anyone know if the Cardassians were maybe named for the Kardashians? Like a little dig by the Star Trek writers before anyone was actually famous? I've wondered for a while... They were written as villians after all...
It was alluded ancient Cardassians were Ancient Bajoran colonist, how Ancient Cardassian looks like Bajorans. This is why Bajorans can naturally produce with them without medical help etc...
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Imo Marc Alaimo is the reason the Cardassians got so much focus and had their role expanded in DS9, the man's simply electric from the first time he puts on the ridges and always an absolute joy as Dukat. Between him and Robinson it's no wonder the writers had so much passion for the Cardies!
One of the best TV villains of all time, a complete tour de force every second he was onscreen. Even on inserted communications clips where Dukat is on a viewscreen, he owned the scene every time.
If you like Marc and classic shooter games, play Call of Juarez. He plays the hell out of that, too.
He was everyone's favorite scoundrel ... lol.
Agree
Yeah he was awesome. An absolute psychopath, but he just wanted to be loved, haha.
Man, I just can't keep up with these Cardassians
Ha!
😂
@@democrrrracymanifest with a bunch of female Cardassians with surgically altered spoons covered in makeup.....
@@democrrrracymanifest I have thought of that, I think a lot of us have.
@@democrrrracymanifest Lower decks might use it for sure.
A "Simple Tailor" is very pleased with this video.... ;)
most fascinating Star Trek character, i maybe put Q on that level. genius
I was really glad DS9 managed to flesh out the Cardassians and Bajorans so well. So many species in Star Trek and so few of them have as much lore. Great job compiling all the info!
Thank you so much!
The Bajorans have a history spanning so far into the past that literally anything could be buried there.
You forgot to mention: Everything you did in making this video was for the greater glory of Cardassia.
Hahaha
I love to shout "FOR CARDASSIA!" when I see a group of people moving fast.
Glory to their great leader Kim!!
“For my son. For ALL our sons.”
@@norwegianzound Harry Kim?
The first time I watched I was surprised how much Dumars death affected me; despite everything beforehand, he really turned out to be a good character.
I started watching DS9 for the first time last week
Enjoy!
While season 1 is far better than TNG's equivalent season, all I can say is it's going to get a lot better, you're going to see better character arcs on guest stars than most of Voyager's main crew
I'm gonna do a little fan theorizing, that post Dominion War, since Cardassia was a broken world whose leaders were all dead and whose population was on the verge of extinction because of both Jem'Hadar genocide tactics and post war famine, the Federation, being the only power willing and able to do this, decided to Marshall Plan them since the Cardassian Union as a political entity ceased to exist. I see Cardassia in what is now the Legacy Era, a bit like a post WWII West Germany, a great power stripped of it's might, reduced to relying on it's former enemies for survival, only to later on become a valued ally.
This is pretty close to what _Stitch in Time_ says, yeah! That has the added wrinkle of a new civilian government trying to rebuild, and that's where the Federation aid gets funnelled. Very much as Bajor was about a year before DS9 S1.
Cardassia Prime had the population being shot up by Dominion ground troops, but all the industry and stockpiles would still be intact. Plus the rest of the Cardassian Union would still be intact, which could provide supplies to Cardassia Prime.
The fun part is if the Cardassian leaders actually decide to help out or if they decide to bargain for more political powers from the now-weakened Central Command. Central Command has the fun part that it is semi-recognized as Cardassian government, and Cardassia has traditionally ruled from Cardassia Prime.
So lots of fun for after-war politicking.
Japan.
I've always wanted to read "A Meditation On A Crimson Shadow" by Prelock while drinking red leaf tea.
Cardassians are probably my most favourite race in Star Trek. Even when they were just in TNG. When we got more history for them in the shows it was even better. They really stood apart from everyone else.
They did stand apart. They were the only Nazis. Interesting that they were your favorite.
The whole Bajoran-Cardassian story was such a nuanced depiction of colonialism and the costs of liberation from it without ever preaching. That's peak sci-fi to me.
Great stuff, as usual. Walk with The Prophets!
Thanks Gavin!
Not just peak sci-fi but also peak Trek.
It wasn’t colonialism it was conquest. There is a deference.
@@timesthree5757 Keep trying.
@@gavinhillick keep trying what it’s the truth.
I found you about two months ago and can't get enough. Between you and Quinn's Ideas, I can't enough sci-fi lore.
Man mentioning me in the same sentence as Quinn's Ideas is a real compliment! Thank you
what is Quinn's channel?
The sheer scale of violence unleashed upon the Cardassian population is staggering when you think about it for more then a few moments. 800 million dead - all in the space of only a few hours at most. I suspect every single city was bombarded from orbit before Jem'hadar were let loose to massacre any survivors in person - remember that most of the guards for Dominion HQ were sent out to 'help', so clearly some of it at least was done in person.
More then ten times the losses during all of WW2 in a single afternoon.
Fun fact: You could only play a Cardassian in Star Trek Online indirectly. Their facial parts were categorized as "Alien". I love Marc Alamo and Andrew Robinson in DS9: they acted their hell out of their parts. Dripping with characterization, making such acts somehow almost relatable, and doing it with panache and wit. The civ you love to hate.
Stich in Time is such an excellent novel. Check it out
Love the Cardassians as characters and antagonists in DS9. Great work as always--really love these deep dives your channel does!
Kim Cardassian is the worstttttttttttttttttttt
Why do I like your Star Trek vids so much?!? Thanks for all the vids
Thanks for watching!
When I watched DS9 I was always thinking about the relation between my nation and Japon.
As big DS9 fan I really enjoyed the possible storyline in the Enigma Tales novel about the future of Cardassia after the Dominion war
Tapestry or In The Pale Moonlight?
@Beep Boop is this a question? ITPML
They are like super advanced sophisticated stone people. They can survive in 200 degrees heat, they like the heat. One thing I learned in DS9 from Garak and his Spa days lol
What boggles me is by the era of TNG, an old out of date ship that presumeably was old enough to have been IN the cardassian/federation conflict is treated as a near existential threat that cardassians can't hope to match.
yet the federation continued to treat them with the same gravitas and weariness as near peers such as klingons and romulans. Hell they didn't get long range sensors til their aliance with the dominion.
How in God's Own Name was there a War? How wasn't it 'The federation parked a picket line in orbit of Cardassia Prime and studiously ignored all their attempts at damaging them as a non destructive demonstration on how stupid they were being'?
My take: 1) The Nebula Class is not old, nor out of date, it is a top of the line Heavy Cruiser in 2365 and is relatively new. 2) There are a number of variations of Galor Class, and lots of them in general. While one is not a match for a Galaxy Class, most variants of Galor Class are very effective against the average starship. Again, the Cardassians have lots of Galors while Starfleet has relatively few heavier vessels like the Galaxy or Nebula. For every 100 starships, maybe 3-4 will be a Galaxy Class, and maybe 10-15 will be newer designed from 2360 on. However, as far as we've seen, 90 of the Cardassian ships would be Galors, and the remaining 10 would be Keldons. An example: Sherman tanks and T-34s were quite inferior to the Tiger and Tiger II, but there were not enough Tigers to matter and the Sherman was perfectly fine against Panzer IIIs and IVs. On the balance, the Cardassian fleet was powerful enough to make any drawn out war painful. 3) You under estimate Cardassian technology. They had advanced weapons and technology, they just didn't have the ability to mass produce their best stuff to universally equip their fleet. Even prior to the Dominion, we get glimpses of Cardassian advanced tech, like the Dreadnaught missile. 4) War is not just about the best weapon systems. It is about the balance of the forces, supply, tactics, doctrine and circumstance. The Cardassian Union represents a very dense concentration of military power. Because the Union is small compared to the Federation, and doesn't border any other major powers, it can concentrate 100% of of its military power in a small area allowing for sufficient mass to cause issues even for a far superior power. Moreover, the Federation has to defend vast borders and against several major powers. Whereas the Cardassians could mass all the forces in one place, are fighting in their support zone and have fortified their systems. The Federation would have a difficult time massing enough forces on the Cardassian front without denuding the rest of Federation space. Add to this that Starfleet had grown complacent and less oriented toward conflict during the "Long Peace." An analogous example is the US and North Korea. The United States is many times more powerful than North Korea. However, to invade and destroy the NK military would be too costly for the US to consider.
ah them Cardis
The Cardies are my top Star Trek race. Reading A Stitch in Time by Andrew Robinson solidified this for me. Good stuff as always!
Cool! I will have to watch more of your stuff.
"The truth is just an excuse for lack of imagination."
Great video as always! I always thought the Cardassians were great antagonists.
Thanks Bill!
@@OrangeRiver Thanks for the vid.
Also, I keep meaning to do a detailed fanfic about the Cardassian-Federation war, focused on the era 2358-63, mainly: may finally get round to starting it, this month!
Dates and details vary, so research had to be selective.
I know you don't usually include beta canon tidbits, but I love that you included the Hebitian stuff in this one. That's literally all I was hoping for when you mentioned this was coming up haha
Yep, and they're namedropped in "Chain of Command" so there's definitely a basis for it!
Great Video!! The Cardassians are fascinating
Thanks JAG!
Great work Orange
Really interesting information on the Cardassian Union keep up the great work.
I loved the idea of the Maquis within the federation. Like a really bad splinter that wont go away till removed.
& Shakespeare is best read in its original (non Klingon) Cardassian tounge.
I enjoyed Never Ending Sacrifice. 🖖✌️
I've never been a big fan of Cardassians, but I like you so I watched and learned. Thank you, Tyler.
Legate Tyler
Dukat, Damar, and Wayoun were just perfectly cast for DS9. I'm glad cardassian story bleed from TNG to DS9 and even some Voyager. Looking forward to the Dominion War series in development.
Disappointed we haven't seen much of them in awhile. Yes, Star Trek has been in nostalgia mode for some time, and it's hard to account for Kirk's Enterprise never meeting them if they pulled contact with the Cardassians back that far, but they should start appearing again in the next show to be set later on.
Enabran Tain was a good dude he tried to save the alpha quadrant countless numbers of dead
When they infiltrate Cardassia and find that a lot of ordinary Cardassians were disturbed by the treatment of the Bajorans that was one of the finest things I've seen. I always imagine that sort of redeeming thing hidden behind antagonists in TV but it's so rarely part of the actual story.
Am I the only one who thinks their symbol looks distractingly like a vulva?
Lmao
Thank you for acknowledging our 300,000 years. I watch many anthropology channels and many so-called experts are still saying 200,000 and some even say only 100,000
Appreciate your method of dissecting and analysing all this fascinating material.
It does add an extra subspace layer to the lore.
Thanks for that.💯👏
Thank you!
My first thought when clicking was how Cardassians were Bajorian colonists who forgot their origins. Or. Surpressed the knowledge. Sounds like Cardassians. A twist could be the Cardies occupied Bajor because those in charge wanted to retake their home planet, never fully telling the public. Perhaps a Botany Bay of rebels who created a civilization and returned home.
Cardassians are arguably my favorite Star Trek aliens.
Great overview.
I don't care how cultural they are, they'll always be spoon heads to me!
Can you do a video on the Devore Imperium? They were in 'Star Trek: Voyager' but I'm having trouble finding any videos about them...
Unfortunately I think your answer's right there: they were in like two episodes and they have lower name recognition than my cat :/
(Jokes aside I've done videos about niche species before like Sheliak so we'll see!)
I always wondered why the Federation signed such a crap treaty when their ships seem to pose little match for Starfleet. Look at how the Phoenix made short work of everything it faced in The Wounded and only the Enterprise was finally able to stop them.
It's likely a matter of the Federation and Starfleet being stretched way too thin. The number of border conflicts they got into during the Lost Era seemed to be pretty crazy - the Talarians, the Tzenkethi, the Cardassians. It seemed to suggest that in the 70-odd year period they had three Trek versions of Vietnam, and unlike the existential conflict with the Dominion, they had a lot of internal conflicts about whether the Federation should even be involved (TNG "Unification"). Given that the Klingons and Romulans were much less of a threat and these weren't likely to be proxy wars, it was more likely related to a massive expansion of the Federation over that period, where colonists encroached on disputed territories in multiple locations at a time when Starfleet became much less combat oriented with much less of a capacity to fight major conflicts.
Perhaps the Federation didn't want to expend the effort to make the Cardassians stop? Similar to Chamberlain and his treaty with Germany managing to get 'peace in our time'.
Especially considering they gave up Federation colonies which led to the Marquis.
I am onboard with the genetic link between the two races.
Cardassian built, Federation administrated, Bajoran space station.
Have the Romulans allready claimed that they invented the Station first?😂
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!.....Sorry.....happens whenever I see a Cardassian, it gets real weird sometimes...
as someone who is autistic, and deeply insincere and disingenuous, i had a real interesting conversation with my parents about this episode and why the number of lights was so important
Thanks Mr. River
I never understood why ore was brought over to Terok Nor and processed there. Surely it would be infinitely cheaper to process the ore on the planet.
gravity issues.. ore would weigh less on the stations and it also alowed for much easier transport to have th refinery in orbit
I believe that when that Bajoran light ship crashed on Cardassia the Bajorn Survivors was integrated into Cardassian society. By the time of the occupation thousands of Cardassians had some Bajorn in their family tree.
Thank you for another excellent episode! I enjoy these expansive histories. I've only watched DS9 one time, but I'll probably go through it again with my wife sometime (since she's not seen it).
God be with you out there everybody! ✝️ :)
I cant keep up. BUT, I can appreciate.
Actually I have to disagree with the implication that Cardassia will really struggle following the War. Whereas it is true Cardassia Prime suffered a lot of damage, the rest of the Union did not. Actual ground fighting was limited to a handful of systems. Moreover the terms of the Treaty of Bajor were very easy on Cardassia with no territorial losses and the Dominion leaving the Alpha Quadrant within 52 hours, leaving a lot of equipment behind. The Cardassians inherited the mostly intact Dominion industrial and technology base and as a consequence they catch up with the other powers in tech overnight. The Dominion tech surmounted the resource poor limitations of Cardassian space, and created the largest industrial base in the quadrant. This will undoubtedly help the Cardassians rebuild Cardassia Prime. Finally, the Cardassian Fleet suffered the least amount of damage in the final battle. Moreover, the Federation has offered military assistance to Cardassia and the Union is more or less protected by Starfleet. This will not only prevent other powers from interfering with Cardassia's recovery, but with less of an onus on defense, Cardassia is free to focus on rebuilding and internal development. It is my firm belief that by 2385, the Cardassian Union will be highly prosperous, an economic and technological power, and able to field a new fleet of advanced warships that are every bit the peer of the Klingons or Federation.
Japan is the way it will probably go in my opinion. Economic powerhouse withal cultural aversion to warfare
A lot of people like to paint the Cardassians as Germany of the 1930's and 40's, but I see them more as Italy of the same era.
This painting gives the Bajorans the role of the French, the Klingons that of the British and the Federation that of America. The Romulans are, of course, Russia (in this case at least).
I always think the furengi as extram version of the USA of today , Klingons as Russians, vulcans as Japanese, Romulans as Chinese, cadassians as Arabs (iran, Iraq etc...) and the federation a better version of humans
@@matthewparkes2336 The vast majority of Iranians are Persian It's not an Arab country.
@@gavinhillick learn something new every day
@@matthewparkes2336 the more usual interpretation of the ferengi is that of the 1980's Yuppie/Wall Street culture. Personally, I see them as more of a Venice city state or even Switzerland analogue - independent and wealthy, gaining defence (and bloody good defence at that) through investment and buying power, remaining at least nominally independent while supplying both sides what they require, for the right price.
who are the Canadians? or Australians?
I am like good old Monty Burns in the supermarket: Kardashian or Cardassians? Ok, both are aliens everybody hates.
Even though there are some really interesting species in the Star Trek Universe, the Cardassians are probably the most interesting. A little shorter than I was expecting but still great.
Idk why but I’m trying to remember if the xepolites are at all related to cardassians, they share similar features, can breed if I remember right and are right next to each other
Probably the single most complex race in Star Trek. This unearned feeling of superiority leading to so many losses, so many failures, but with an ultimately survivalist approach behind it makes the Cardassians sometimes hated, but often sympathetic.
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Like I was decades ago when that light-ship episode premiered close to the time that Dukat's half-Bajoran daughter (a mix which was implied to not be super-rare), I'm on team "Cardassians and Bajorans are close cousins, different breeds of the same species."
My favorite is Kim
I've I had taken a shot every time he had said Cardassian, I would have been dead after the first minute.
When you said 'pan-galactic' all I could think of was - galactic gargle blaster.
@@subraxas It is a drink from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
The auto-generated captions talk a LOT about the authoritarian rule of the Kardashians.
Trying to fit a DMZ/TMZ joke in there somewhere too...
Voles have the forehead spoon. They can adapt to anything. Early cardassians used genetics to combine their bajoran dna with the resilient Vole DNA.
One thing that always bugs me about the aliens in Trek is how often they have warp drive hundreds of years prior to Earth but humans catch up to the same warp speeds in less then a century. How Earth didn't become a target for colonialism or easily accessible resources when it is with a couple dozen light years of warp capable powers always confuses me.
The Vulcans were against it for cultural reasons and we were inside of their space
Yep. As we've seen throughout the series, in some alternate timelines where Vulcans don't make first contact with us in 2063, Earth is conquered by the Romulan Star Empire. (Or the Klingons, in some beta works.)
One idea for how tech gets spread so well, is Ferengi traders. They buy older warp drives from established races at a discount, then sell those older warp drives to barely-starting races for much higher value, making money in the process. For example if the Vulcans had Warp drives capable of Warp 6, then a Ferengi trader might try to buy older warp drives that are only good for Warp four. The Ferengi then go to Earth that only has Warp 2 and Warp 3 engines being churned out, and sell those Warp four drives.
This would only be practical if the Ferengi could access those worlds though.
Gul Dukat was such an awesome character until the writers got upset that their viewers liked him a bit too much.
Turned him into a one dimensional mustache twirling villain
Its scary in the Star Trek universe to see how advanced other races were compared to Humans, Cardasians have space travel while we still think the wheel is pretty cool Haha
Awesome video thanks
Sto cannon would see the cardassians sort of join the UFP under console garak. The rebuilding of cardassia was a long process taking decades, the true way would become those who were followers of the pre dominion union and became a well armed terrorist group. In 2411 the cardassians would join the lukari and new dominion to help rebuild the hur'q assembly
In the 29th century a cardassian would work with the 25th century ufp with keeping an eye on the timeline
sure but whats up with that silly hat they had the first time we saw them? :D
Khloe is OJs daughter!
I don't think Bajorans and Cardassians are related. Their anatomy is too different to indicate a common origin. Instead I think the reason they're able to have (I believe non-fertile offspring) is due to having a concidentally similar biochemistry. Hybrids would need medical intervention to have biological children, I think.
It''s only ever called the "Cardassian Union" in ST:TNG Chain of Command I believe. I think it's always called the Cardassian Empire in DS9.
False. In DS9 Season 7, Damar said to Weyoun, "There are no minor planets in the Cardassian Union!"
Keeping up with the Cardassians
For cardassia!
Wait you forgotten one family of cardassian Kim and her family !!
I'm dubious about Cardassians and Bajorans being related, i mean sure kind of but only becuse Cardassians are a known Preserver race
I hope one day somebody will translate all this ST novels into Polish. They must be great!
Say what you will, but Gul Dukat really got that rizz.
What is rizz?
@@timmiller1954 sexual proclivity.
Great Ending! RESIST!!!!!
Lots of Beta canon in this one but as it fills in the blanks so nicely, why not? 👍
Love me some poetic justice.....
_Gul Dukat_ would have luved that thumbnail...
Which means _Garak_ just unsubscribed...
I have a theory that the missing daughter(Illiana) of Legate Tekeny Ghemor was Seska.
I had a suspicion Liliana Ghemor stole her Mirror Universe counterpart's identity, and attempted to replace Intendant Kira. It failed, and she became stowaway aboard _ISS Voyager_ .
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fantastic video
Thanks Troy!
beautiful
Cardasian designd,buld by Bajoran slave labor,by the timer od DS9 ownd by Bajorans and administreted by Federation
I don't like the theory that the Bajoran and Cardassians could have evolved from a common ancestor. It's not original. We've seen that with the Vulcans and the Romulans, and again with the two species in Star Trek: Insurrection.
I also find it unlikely, although it does make you wonder just what kind of stuff went down during that 94% of Bajoran history before the Prophets showed up :0
I would love a tv series based on the Maquis. Maybe based on the remaining survivors restarting the group followed by new members and trying to form their own independent government.
*FOR CARDASSIA!!!*
One of my favourite Star Trek quotes is “quasi Cardassian totalitarian scum”, it’s just fun to insult them lol
It's the first time I've been early for a video
Does anyone know if the Cardassians were maybe named for the Kardashians? Like a little dig by the Star Trek writers before anyone was actually famous? I've wondered for a while... They were written as villians after all...
It was alluded ancient Cardassians were Ancient Bajoran colonist, how Ancient Cardassian looks like Bajorans. This is why Bajorans can naturally produce with them without medical help etc...
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