Why League of Legends is SO TOXIC | League of Legends
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2021
- As a continuation from the power creep video I thought it would be fun to talk about why League of Legends is so toxic, what about the community causes toxicity, and why Riot doesn't do anything about it.
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#LoL #Toxic #Community - Ігри
Jungler: **exists**
Bot lane: I'm about to end this mans whole career
As a jungle main. Times have been rough and i completely agree. I'm half way across the map making feeding my nasus kills so he can 1v5 and actually be useful and ganking bot only 4 times since they don't need lot of help. The sdc dies to the enemy jhin then blames me for no reason. Them the support also blames the adc since they have a brain. So to all those people who blame junglers for no reason, think before you int the game
Jungler: **Exists**
Everyone: I failed and it completely ur fault y no gank?
@@glizzygladiator9746 I understand your pain and I’m a mad main I do ok in lane my laner leaves I spam ping and they die blames me for not ping
Sometimes it is the jungler’s fault tho. I literally beg them to gank the Yone that’s under my tower all game for an easy kill and when they finally arrive, we get an easy kill.
Why are some of them so stubborn and just not gank when they know that their job is to get laners fed so they can win the game for them.
@@Rami1039 it's not the junglers job to manage your lane. The jungler(especially depending on if they are a farming or objective based jungler) role has a lot of dynamics and responsibilities that don't always include prioritizing your lane.
"4 abilities and a passive will lose to 20 abilities and 5 passives"
//-aphelios has entered the lobby-//
Good
Aphelios's sister: hold my guns
10 death Yasuo enter the lobby. "Kek just hit me dash dash dash come on hit me windwall come on man just hit me knock up ult your so trash how did you lose to me when I'm 10 deaths" -Yasuo Mains
Viego???
Samira has the 5 passives
I spent almost five years without playing. Got excited watching Arcane and installed it again. A lot changed, played a game here and there and EVERY SINGLE GAME people were complaining at each other and at me. Even at ARAM or non-ranked. Honestly, I don't have the time, energy or age to listen to toxic people anymore. Uninstalled. No game is supposed to leave a bad feeling after playing.
You are so right. I’m new to the game, and I get flamed all the time by other players. It’s very tiring On the mind
I've experienced the same. Wanted to try it again after Arcane. Bad decision, I played the game for years before I quit so I'm used to the toxicity but holy has it gotten significantly worse. Even in ARAM you can not go a game without flamers, people talking shit or other ways of being shitty.
I never played league of legends, but watched Arcane and I am trying out LoL: Wild Rift. I haven’t experienced any toxicity on the mobile version. Give that a try :)
I just use a one strike rule. Someone says some shit not even directed at me I mute them on the spot. Unless it's funny to fuck with them and we lost/won anyway
The worst and fucked up part is the 1v9 dude that is carrying the game and trashtalking you is more likely to get away with it than if you make a single comment. Seen people get chat restricted and perma banned for telling a troll to just shut up.
"Permenantly banned" is such a joke word in League of legends. Some of the most toxic players in league cycle through accounts and play at the same level they were when they got perma banned. Great example is Tyler1. Dude was legit infamous for the ammount of toxicity he had and had what like 20 accounts? the only way Riot stopped him from playing was to legit find out what his new account was when he streamed and then banned it from there.
That was before he "reformed" and Riot decided to let him stay since he reels in views and money for them.
Money > everything else
Just a perfect example that it's not the problem in people that say a few bad words in a fucking video game but the real problem is in the hypocritical company itself.
@@flowerofash4439 yup money > everything else untill the good people quit league because a yasuo 3.0 is coming.
Riot is a garbage company, they never hold onto their words
they also became extremely greedy, look at how they treat their playerbase
delivering only the same boring trash modes and the game still has only 1 map
flash is in every game and has NOT ever been removed from the game
and more, way more
dominion being removed was the worst and now twisted treeline removed, why play this game? really
@@xXCrashTXx-1 the game start to die when it was sold to tencent
I actually listen to my teammates if I did anything wrong, but how they deliver it is just infuriating. It makes me wanna twist thier head off. Lol. I think the chances of being toxic is lower if people played in the same room, there is more consequence to thier negative action if the person they are playing with is right next to them.
Y'all need to find a Discord of friends to play with. That is probably the best thing to do, to do preemies and normal seems maybe even rank, try to do fun builds and stuff like that. That is how you have fun playing League
@@claudeyaz I have a group of friends on messenger which sometimes is basically just like discord if you talk with the right people and not weird old people and we played a lot of games together but i recently just broke my phone (we're playing wild rift, somewhat different game but same toxicity at least in SEA) and i still don't have the money to replace it so i'm using my school-provided phone to play and almost all school-provided stuff are shit so you can guess how it went. So i'm playing on this phone with like max 30fps and average 20 fps phone so i couldn't play good but then they invited me to play one time and we went on a losing streak from like 2AM in the morning to about noon and after that they never invited me again lmao i think it was cuz i played bad and now i just can't play wr or league without thinking about them and that makes me feel worse and more unhappy than when i was playing the game alone without any friends or squads to team up with.
almost any multiplayer game i wanna ask what i did wrong to actually learn but always met with negativity or not responded to. i know it sounds sarcastic even if you didnt mean it to be but yo, i wanna learn and not be shit upon
Same
League of Legends practically invented saying KYS
T1 raging and simultaniously realising its an addiction and there is no way to quit is a special kind of relatable.
I saw someone posted that he finally uninstalled the game. I'm glad if he did.
@@R4GNAR0G he didn't, he is the biggest streamer of league and also in a pro team
@@R4GNAR0G It was a meme. His cam and audio is from when he got to challenger on his top account
@@RDK325 yeah, it's his source of income, plus he's still addicted
@@inigo137 arguably he'd probably be bigger if he did variety but he's too addicted to league.
For ppl who suffer from depression dont even think about playing this game. Its for your health.
^
Don't play R6, Warzone, Counterstrike, Dota, and basically any PvP game with chat enabled while we're at it as well. Trust me, same shit, different genre.
@@vxxiii4160 Just play masterpiece games like Shrek
don't play video games in general, they're not really as fun as they used to be and there is so much added bullshit like MTX & data collection. pick up some kind of cool hobby or something, or go outside, it will be much better for your well being as it was for mine.
@@vxxiii4160 Yes, very this. I don't think it's League. I think it's all games. And people. It's people and technology who are the problems.
I’m sure someone else has probably said it at this point, but there’s also a component of “the longer it goes on, the worse it gets” as the “softer” people are pushed out of the community. People who would never flame or blame others and do genuinely just want to do their best and have a good time just get drained by toxic people around them at some point, and eventually leave (or, worse case scenario, finally break and become like them). The more they do that, though, the more the player base just consists of toxicity. There’s a saying: If you create a space for wolves and sheep, you will only end up with wolves. The toxic players destroy and drive out players who would offer more balance to the roster in terms of civility.
Also the toxicity kind of just becomes engrained in the community. It starts to rub off on people and they start to mirror the behavior after playing for awhile.
This is exactly what's happening
This is an excellent way of putting it!
same thing can be said about sports
Yes, its very toxic. But the main factor are the LoL design itself. The snowball on LoL made players always on edge, losing objective mean losing huge benefit and its often lead to defeat. Meanwhile on dota, making mistake or losing lane are not that punishing because you have many ways to comeback. My point is both game have toxic community but the design philosophy are day and night, one are welcoming toward mistakes while the other punish you to hell.
Same thing happens with HotS. In there from my experience playing the map right can always make up for a defecit.
The part that multiplies the issue is how long games take, you know that even if you are losing incredibky hard, it will still take you another 10+ minutes to have the game officially end. So you simply watch suffering as you are powerless, and if you leave, the game punishes you as well.
Step one: turn off all chat
Step two: mute your teammates
Step three: enjoy your game
I did it in every single game and never had any problems...
Except that one time when a support came to my top lane and started feeding for some reason. I used him as a bait and won the game, pretty good memories
Turning off all chat is definitely a must do if you get easily tilted by the enemy 0/5 mid laner saying "mid gap gg ez"
but what if your incredible tilted by the balance team?
@@RustingPeace embrace the imbalance. ride the wave of meta, or fight against the tides like a lonely hero.
also understanding that the balance of this game comes entirely from skins and macrotransactions also helps.
i feel like those that mute are weak. just dont get tilted?
@Meba trust me, /all chat is a blessing, you just need to know how to use it. Get killed in lane? /all gg got outplayed. Your botlane is feeding? /all *enemy adc* damn you're rly good. Doing this not only makes everyone enjoy the game more, but it also makes it easier to win since the enemies will feel bad for killing you. If you get tilted for 1 kill in lane, just mute all or change game
I also feel like it doesn't reward supportive play enough either, meaning it pushes every player to try and get kills and assists instead of being helpful to their teammates in other ways, such as healing or buffing. Why bother healing teammates if you don't get XP or Gold for healing them? It's one thing that Overwatch actually does well, by rewarding points for blocking dmg with a Tank, buffing with a Support, giving people armor with Torbjorn and Bridgette, etc.
That's what It became now. Why would you want to give a shield to your teammates when you can just kill the enemy. Why would you heal them if you can just gank the enemy and let that teammate to recall alone. This game is so focused on combat and carry that is almost impossible to find a teammate who don't see himself as the protagonist.
You do get xp and golf for healing. You mustv
be real bad, making me toxic in the chat.
@@ThyFloorestFloor because if youre a shielding character you cant always kill people because thats how the champs are balanced. Like wtf you talking about?
@@antonolufayo7804My point is not that I want to kill people as a Support, I would play Pyke or AP Rakan if I wanted to. My point was that the game seemed to benefit more aggressive play styles and characters more focused on supporting in other manners were left behind.
@@ThyFloorestFloor disagree. Obviously its best when everyone can deal some dmg, but theres lots of support champions that are for supporting rather than doing dmg.
Which is why you can distiguish betweed dmg dealing supports and supporting supports.
I think what causes toxicity is that ranked is based solely off of wins/loses. Someone going 12/1 is going to get mad at their 0/10 teammate because when it’s all said and done, they both will loses the same LP. How well you did in the game should determine LP gained or lost
True, loss forgiveness is not good enough. It could be forgiving in the form of losing less LP when u have a higher grade at the end. S+, S vs B,C
What should also be considered is how toxic a player is, if they are constantly getting reported for being toxic then that should reduce their rank, that way, they will sink to the bottom.
@@DraxTheDestroyer ya, they could try tying LP gain and loss to honor rank or something.
Imagine inting sion kda. They might be really influential in the win but due to the kda their lp gets fucked. Or even melee supports as well.
No.
It should not.
The game is about destroying the enemy nexus. If you don't like team games, don't play them. No one is forcing you to play a 5v5 game.
ppl literally started flaming today in an ARAM.... an ARAM..... i hate this game
THIS!
I mean.. fair. aram has his own try-hard community, it's not just a dumb-fun game mode
@@pikminologueraisin2139 except it is a dumb-fun game mode and is not serious at all... its randomly assigned champs on a small map it's literally not supposed to be sweaty LOL
@@soulyeons I never agreed something so fast in my life
So true, nothing triggers me more when some losers flame people for playing below their "standards" in 4 fun gamemodes. In stuff like ARAM and Nexus blitz etc. I couldnt even care less if you ran down on command with moby boots, it doesnt bother me.
Ranked is a different beast, since you expect people to be somewhat close to your level, so them getting hard stomped is usually a sign that they are not even trying.
The easiest solution to leagues toxicity is just to get replace the game entirely with tetris 99
We should replace chat and pings with one of those nintendo premade messages and every single message is just compliments and apologies
lets make it a singleplayer
I think that might be more toxic, actually.
@@babygirlvenere Well in tetris 99 you at least can't actively grief a teammate and then start an argument with them
@@randomusername1735 I'm just imagining people spamming Smash Brothers messages in the same way
"I refused to follow my Vayne's tower dive on the the full health Jhin and Nautilus ONE time and he just started spamming
'Our cause is just' 'Our cause is just' 'Our cause is just' 'Our cause is just' 'Our cause is just' 'Our cause is just' 'Our cause is just'
every single time I missed a skillshot or tried to back."
I’ve never played a moba game before, but just once I’d like to see a system implemented in team-based games where you can blacklist individual players during or at the end of a match, so you never get put on the same team ever again.
I don’t care if it’s a terrible idea - I just want to see the effect it would have on the game. I want the player base to experience it. I want to see those who blacklist or get blacklisted too frequently endure longer wait times. I want to see those who make a good impression and are more benevolent get matched more quickly. I want to see the matchmaking service potentially lock up because so much blacklisting has taken place that it can’t find any configuration of players that haven’t blacklisted eachother.
I've never heard of this approach anywhere before, but it's probably the best potential solution anyone's ever thrown at this problem 😮. Hats off to you if you thought about it yourself 😁, otherwise thanks for sharing it 😅.
It exists in dota, but exclusive only for plus subscribers, it's called "Avoid Player" I believe
I was thinking about something like that too, there was a time where some people claimed that with you block a player, he would get less chance to appear in your match, sadly, this is not true. But it would be a nice ideia to implemment
@@bianca6176 Why? You still won't see their messages 🤷♂️
@@louisrobitaille5810 what? I didn't understand your question
In season 1-4 it never seemed impossible to carry a game by yourself or come back.
Nowadays as an ADC or other roles there are times it is legitimately impossible to beat certain roles or champions 1v1 without major mistakes on their part.
Sometimes supports have a larger impact and are more capable of 1v1ing a top laner than an ADC.
Dude those season are when the game was finding they way and progressive want to grow apart from Dota. Now the game is team 5vs5. The problem is not in the game, is on society. We grow up to be more selfish and playing sologames. Even MMO will now be able to solo doing all the content. No more Ragnarok Online (team play), but more like Mu Online(solo play).
The problem is more of a player base than a riot as a company.
This season I've decided to just mute my chat in game. I've finally just admitted to myself that I can't handle my team blaming me for something I felt was their fault. There's no way I can't respond to something said in that situation. And it has definitely reduced chances to win in the past. Even the "mute upon first negative comment" rule isn't good enough. That comment lights a fire in me, and will cause me to play differently. My ability to shake off a play gone south, and just look for the "next good play" is at an all time high. The real trick is to just pretend you're in a 1 player game, you have 4 AI's on your team who are semi-advanced in that they can decipher the meanings of your pings at times, and may even ping communicate with you, and the enemies are another 5 AI's. No reason to get angry at the AI's in the game, and you really need to work on playing around your AI, you're never sure if they're going in, running away, poking, you gotta watch them and learn how each one plays.
I think I'll try this on my new account as soon I can play ranked
Nice how you unpersoned players in multiplayer game, I bet you wouldn't mind sending them in a camp where you concentrate?
While I understand that downer mentality, there is an actual solution to that, if you want to win - learn from the pros how to play from behind and pick champs that you love to play, it's never been easier than before with replays.
Same, it's a smart decision and sadly the only one I had to keep my sanity playing this game, and even then people in lobbies can be toxic douchebags
"that comment lights a firee in me" Man im really thankfull im not the only one that feels that way.
@@patriciosanchez4419 As Vars said in this video, we all feel that. Those that don't are the vast minority.
There's just no having fun in this game. The other day I placed a shroom in a weird place in ARAM, and one of my team mates tilted so hard over it, he just spammed "?" on me for the next 20 minutes. And I don't even bother with the "fun" modes, because they're just full of raging teens and bruised egos
yeah this is a good example. Even arams have a terrible toxic atmosphere lately. Its a fun mode with random champs, not everyone always gets their preferred champ, but people act like they do. like you should just know how to play every character out there. you should ALWAYS do good even if your team comp sucks and the other teams is amazing. You fuck up a tiny bit, build stuff that isnt EXACTLY the meta, and you get pinged all game.
I haven't seen too much in ARAM, but yea, occasionally I do see some people who complain about the smallest thing.
"fun" modes are full if bruised egos? Are you talking about ranked?
@@jamiesadf5829 i for example yesterday had a game in nexus blitz and just wanted to try out sett because he looked fun to me altought i don't play fighters that often and the riven on my team was raging and said how the f*** can you be so bad on sett. sigh i'm officially quitting this game today. the game it self is great but i'm just sick of being in a team with randoms in a moba. in other games there is always the feeling of coming back like in valorant. even though the opponent has more money you can save one round to get the next round still the same weapons and shields as the enemy even though they have much more money. while in league it's just impossible to play if you even get behind once because the opponent has more gold so more items and higher level.
@@jamiesadf5829 agreed, i had this game in aram early and i ended up getting janna. There was this quinn who got SOOO upset that i got kills. Like every time i got a kill spam ping 'wtf". I only got two kills that game. I only died once. I got 43 assists. My KDA ratio was literally 15.6 and i still get someone upset at me for playing the game.
If LoL was not a free game, then it would be better since most people would avoid getting banned since they would have to pay money to creat a new account, (cs:go and hackers when it became f2p)
muting the chat is the best option honestly, I used to play with a group of friends of which one would get tilted often and become toxic to the rest of us, so every time he did it I run it down mid, and because of this interaction I started doing it whenever I got flamed in later games, until I muted the chats.
I find it a little disingenuous not mentioning how content creators also play a part in the toxicity of the community. Some of them have tens of thousands of followers that watch them religiously and behave the same way some people you described do. Like being extremely arrogant, blaming teammates for everything that happens in the game and so forth. I feel like if you want a less toxic community you should lead by example and that's just not true for League.
There's a difference between saying it outloud and typing it
@@jasonmain6398 well yeah, that’s why we’re talking about CONTENT CREATORS who actually have an audience that can hear those things that are said out loud
@@user-dk7ic1ci2z who cares if they, or you say it outloud. The important part is that they keep a level head in chat. You cant police peoples emotions 😆
Y'all need to find a Discord of friends to play with. That is probably the best thing to do, to do preemies and normal seems maybe even rank, try to do fun builds and stuff like that. That is how you have fun playing League
Every single person I’m in comms with that plays udyr always says this same fucking trick2g phrase “latta bitch” like shut up please
When I get chat restricted for defending myself and the other player doesn’t, you know it’s a problem.
I got chat restricted for roasting someone who was testing champ in ranked. (Yes, he trew the game thanks to his pick)
Flame smarter, dont use harsh words and dont press enter a thousand times, rather type longer and less messages. Anyway defending ur self if the worst thing u can do, better to not type. My first perma was s4 when a duo trolled my game and since then I have arround 15/20 permas. This video is on point.
I told the other team a toxic player was calling me the N word, he never did.
Got confirmation of ban.
Feels bad…..
This comment is why I play only once a month or so lol
Why would you even talk to the toxic person anyway? Just mute and ignore. d:
i appreciate that you brought up the chat abuse that enchanter mains face, even if you didn’t go indepth about it. i used to have girl in my summoner name (was a song title, weekender girl, i didn’t think about how sexist the league community was when i made that my username) and my god, the amount of shit i got nearly every game was insane.
i’ve been playing for 5 years, and have been an enchanter main the entire time. i never really faced any sexist flaming, or if i did it was very rare. but after changing my name, it was every game. i do poorly? “what can we expect, stupid egirl enchanter main running it down.” i do well? “you’re pretty good for an egirl, you got snapchat?” every. single. game. i ended up changing my summoner name just because i was sick of having to play with chat permanently turned off just to avoid the flame.
i can deal with being told im trash, i’m bad at my champ ect but when its made about your gender it just sucks. don’t think that just because i missed my q that means you can demean every single woman who plays the game.
Ye, ITS unfortunate fact, all i can say sorry for the experience youve had.
Tbh it feels like most league players have never seen or met women in their entire life. I remember that one time I had a good game with a guy and he invited me to play more, we chatted and when he learned I'm a girl he started asking for my photos and social page lmao. I mean... dating apps still exists... league isn't one...
Having chat permanently turned off is the better option in the end anyways, no matter who you are, no matter if you get flamed every game or 1/100 games.
Chat is useless and it only serves so you can flame other people and so other people can flame you.
@@ratspew932 unfortunately it's not just about girls, although it probably makes it worse, rather the growth of social media. I had invited an in-game friend to join the lobby and they left when I said I don't use discord.
can i add ye? weekender girl sounds like an awesome name.
My view on this changed and thats why I can't even get myself to play League anymore. Anytime I do bad I feel I'm taking away the rest of the teams enjoyment. I have learned how hopeless things can feel after you get 1v1nd top, especially when you have a toxic team that won't shutup about it either.
Yeah thank God i uninstall it, i just followed the advice from the player who wished my mother to die from covid and called me retarded and idiot
@@flowerofash4439 that's absolutely abhorrent... I can't believe someone would wish death upon someone's mother just because they're angry at a game. I don't care who you are, you don't wish death on anyone regardless of how much you hate them.
I'm so sorry you had to put up with such behavior from another human being
Just don't coinflip the lane level one, it's not difficult. Pick something where you know later your power ramps up and just chill early. Too often I see people play something that has to do well early and then they don't and the entire game is over.
I had one game where my entire team just went off on me for an hour long game and it actually made me cry and ruined my whole game experience. I get you can be annoyed if someones doing poorly but idk how people can get so toxic :/
You play like trash you are gonna get told you play like trash. Sont like it mute them. And also if you cry when someonw tells you you are trash at something that makes you a special kind of a snowflake.
@@nemanjakostic8698 reason people dont like the league community 😑
@@nemanjakostic8698 what kind of snowflake gets toxic over that youtube comment, youre truly a special kind of dumbass
Wow a big snowflake
@@nemanjakostic8698 you are the kind of people that make this fanbase so trash
It snowballs too hard. Often times you just realize that you're in a situation where it's not even worth trying. Those are the "Get me out" situations and those are the worst.
This I’m only toxic when I see someone up 3 kills and 40 cs and the jug is taking drags and now setting up Shelly get me out I’m not lcs get me out.
I honestly okay with the hard snowball as long as you can surrender, league force you to wait 20 minutes of torture and toxicity if one of your team refuse to surrender, and if two of them refuse then the torture and toxicity will go as long as the winning team want to
I thought csgo was the most toxic until i tried league...I think snowballing is the reason, in csgo etc you can do comebacks much easier.
Its because its true.
Alot of people are "forced" to play through bad games
Smurfs are also ruining the game. It's a MASSIVE turn off for new players when they get into a game with other noobs but there are smurfs going 10/0/0
And then cuz you feed to a 1v9 smurf, you get flamed
i really wish i could just use my normal account to play in other regions. i had to become a smurf because a couple of my friends played in EUNE and the only lucky thing about it is that i am not good enough at the game to go 10/0 every single time or at all for that matter.
But smurfs usually are really cocky. If they lose they will blame everyone and everything, because they think they deserve 4/0 no matter the conditions
Thankfully tho smurfs are usually put in que with other smurfs, because Riot can detect smurfing.
@@intoHeck1964 Being a level 3 playing Veigar into a Katarina smurf was one of the worst experiences I've ever had in a videogame
lost relationship of a best friend of 4 years because of all his toxicity ;/ we were in a Clash tournament and he played a role he's not good at, fed the enemy team 3 games in a row & flamed me on voice chat the entire time blaming me for every loss since I was jungler, I stood silent the entire time on voice chat every game and did best on our clash team every single game, knew the actual reason we lost was terrible teamwork & some ppl on the team deciding to listen to him, others deciding to listen to me.
I could've believe how toxic & awful this guy was, thought he was a good guy the whole time before this but sadly when things aren't going well true character is revealed.
Well at least you know what kind of a person he is and left him before you really needed his help in a life or death situation or getting stuck in an island for example.
I found myself to be really positive and not toxic at all by just telling myself if I get frustrated at all, "Is it really even worth it?" and that really cools me down.
Simple, not only do a good amount of players want to get into stuff without being patient around teamwork or the matchup itself, coupled by how there are players who have the "I only have fun when I win" mentality instead of.....
Well, just having fun other than winning, as well as how League itself can be VERY unforgiving in terms of room for errors, it makes it so that if a player makes a certain mistake, no matter how much it makes sense for them to be punished, their mental would probably go, "BUH BYEEEEEEEEEE".
I mean, I do understand, states where you are bad in feel pretty bad for some, but to me that doesn't justify the flaming and toxicity despite all of that, but it happens.
Its not possible to not be toxic. I i put hours of playing, focus, play very good and lose cause someone loses 1/10 and thinks he is the best it really makes my mental health have a bad time. And everyone wants to have fun. But you cant have fun if someone griefs and you cant leave, isnt this reaction something greifer wants to achive? You can not be toxic or mean because you can get banned. Thats really annoying situation.
Im having fun when i win but the game can be fun itself when everyone is pleasant and thats not happening. When you die, pretty much always someone types ez.
It also feels like people are really unforgiving to others nowadays. If you make a single bad play, you're called retarded at least 3 times, accused of grieving, etc.
It's not a "haha ur grieving lol" but people genuinely mean that you are. This toxic mindset also makes it so those players will play worse, creating a bit of a negative feedback loop.
@@ptsg It's a vicious cycle of "oh maybe he just had a bad game/matchup/lag/day" until you get soo many players who do the same shit until you see what they are doing and now you assume everyone is a troll/griefer/afk
The problem with this is that the companies balance the game so poorly that there is practically no way to come back from a bad snowball or player, (without all teammates working together which is unlikely) toxic people have all the power at any given time.
Funny thing is I'm not even talking about LoL, all mobas suffer from this to some extent, we can't blame the company for the players but we can hold them accountable for letting it fester and spread.
A comment before the premier dropped. Interesting…
It's not that easy to just lose and have fun. But yeah, I wouldn't justify toxic behaviour either.
What kills me is how in other regions like Korea it’s linked to a social security number equivalent so if you get banned it’s stupid hard to get another account. That’s not to say people don’t troll but the consequences are more steep
Deserved, koreans are the biggest trolls and inters out of all servers
Unless you just buy an account. They're cheap too. Only costs a few bucks.
@@HadesCannotBeBothered It's less toxic than holding you as a hostage. I'd rather loose LP than not being allowed to carry the game 1v9.
@@nathnate123 makes sense considering cram school in SEA contries. Even though ill stay up till 2:30 on a school night sometimes, no one really needs to be playing past 12:00 tbh
Yet Korean region is top tier toxic
I’ve come back to this game after years cause every time I try to get into it my team is always so angry at me for trying to learn. I try to learn and look into videos to help but when putting what I’ve learned into action, the constant anger really deters me from wanting to play more when there is no gratification.
Abandon the fucking game, for the sake of your own self
Then dont play or smth
Just started playing this game w/ my friends a few weeks ago and I agree that the game is pretty snowbally at times, but im having a lot of fun regardless! I can tell it would definitely suck to solo queue, which is why im very grateful to have a group of friends to play and communicate with. Imo playing this game without an actual team is just asking for salt and toxicity. Imagine playing in a competitive soccer league where you had different teammates every time!
yes....is it bad that I mute messages like almost all the time? I just feel like my gameplay is way better if I dont see trheir messages
Y'all need to find a Discord of friends to play with. That is probably the best thing to do, to do preemies and normal seems maybe even rank, try to do fun builds and stuff like that. That is how you have fun playing League
Playing with friends is the answer. Just don't get addicted to solo ranked...or you will hate your life
When people flame me just for me to remind them we are playing bronze lol
Fighting fire with fire I see
this made me laugh lol same man
Me too lmao
Lmaoo good times
LOL
The first time I touched this game back in 2011, I remember my first ever match. The enemy Nasus was laning against my Shen, I ulted to save the bot lane and my support friend because they were being chased down the jungle, he said "oh no, I'm gonna die" and then I scream "My ass you die!" saving him, his adc and getting a doble for the team... then the Nasus said somethin like: "Wow that was soooo cool!, might play Shen after" at that moment I didn't give it enough credit since everyone was cherishing me for that amazing play.
But now, this memory only is alive deep in my heart. How far away is the lol from 10 years ago from the one we have today...
holy crap thats sad
I hope league's community gets better
Man, I wish that happens more often rather the toxic spits in chat.
I think I only got to experience this once in a normal game when i was playing supp and getting full honors from my team and the enemy lux supp congratulating me on helping the team. No sarcasm detected. I told her she also did great.
Man, I wish this happens again but nope. Your more likely to be with or against some toxic, m7 yasuo blaming you for him getting repeatedly gank when he barely wards.
Bro, I miss old LoL so much, played from 2010 to 2015 then quit, just came back a few weeks ago and I don't know what has happened man... It's not the same.
haha
I remember the good old LoL, too. when people were friendly to each other and everyone played for fun
esport destroyed this game, everyone tries to be the next faker and they all became toxic
I'm so happy I discovered your channel, you make such insightful and good points when it comes to these types of discussions. IMO I don't see channels that cover LOL in this manner where they discuss solely the state of the game, champs & etc. objectively.
Any other junglers focus much more heavily on your mistakes when others? Whenever people die I always feel pressured to be everywhere at once and when I misplay I feel like trash.
I played LOL a long time ago and as a jungle main. I agree that it’s stressful and tired of mid laners telling me to do something crazy like a diamond player would do lol
I usd to feel like that but I started winning more games when I learned to detect which lane will actually carry my ass out of that shithole... a good thing to do is check opggs right as queue starts (copy everyone's names in the champ select chat and paste them on opgg or something), see who has a good winstreak, usually it's the toplaner cause those crackheads put actual effort in the game, so focus on getting them ahead and they'll hard win the lane and you can focus on botside for drakes, etc., that what I do and usually works pretty well, but I mean I only play ranked till I hit gold 4, just want the nice skin hehe, not worth to go any elo above that escially considering how much you get punished for losing (1 loss usually takes 2 wins to recover)
One of the many reasons: League enforces competitiveness more than anything in the game (since its what makes them the most money along with skins) so much that when anyone tries to have fun or plays below other people's standards it makes them think you are wasting their time, when in reality its just a game wether you play ranked or not, you are not getting paid, you are not being rewarded for climbing after gold and you are not being hired by a professional team.
In fewer words, people tend to let their ego get the best of them.
You are not being hired by a professional team, if you don't get the master tier. If you are master you can be hired.
And if you are playing ranked it's because you want to play seriously the game for win and improve, not for funny things.
@@maxusgamer8515 People that want to be hired by pro teams practice and improve they dont brag/flame in every game they lose, and if you are playing ranked you dont have to brag/flame either, just play the game, improve, climb and keep doing it.
@@cosmichaze1482 yeah, in fact I was saying if you troll "for fun" in ranked it's toxic. I agree with you in all, but not ranked. Ranked games are just another game, and yes you are not allowed to flame and be toxic, but if you have a troll in team, it's a "normal" react because you are basically loosing a game for someone who doesn't want to win, just piss you off and have fun with that.
@@maxusgamer8515 Exactly my point, even I myself get extremely pissed when that happends in ranked... heck I just got out from a ranked with trolls and lost, but I try really hard to just give a quick advice, mute and ignore their dumbassery, you just gotta cope with the fact that people like that play rankeds sadly, still doesnt justify toxicity imo.
Bungus scrungus
Ip bans are useless and I think can ban other people too
@@portascar7996 do a joint of ip ban and hardware ban
Unless you're t1
@@portascar7996 you can totally do IP/hardware bans in ways that are effective. The only way it wouldn’t work would be if someone was playing off of the same IP address as you... very niche issue.
@@phillatt6277 you cant ban hardware
it’s so annoying how so many people refuse to admit the problem and say “just get good” “play with your friends” oh god
The problem is the community. Can't fix that
@Mr_Mistah they should at least try. But since they don't we're stuck here.
Instead of just an account ban, I feel that they should implement an IP ban to erase those people to make the threat of a ban that much more intimidating.
@@quaesitor6428 Okay and? Not many people are so desperate to play league that they'll go through that trouble. How about you come up with another creative solution instead of just blowing hot air?
IP bans are outdated bro, MAC address bans would be a better fit, because vpns change your ip yes, but they don't change anything else, so if you ban people by one deeper detail then it would be a start
communist
It's extremely easy to change MAC-Addresses as well. Would not do a thing.
banning isnt the solution the trolls use the system to ban normal players.
I've always got this one Sentence in my clipboard to throw at toxic people: "Toxicity doesn't win games, neither will people improve if you are mean, your behavior doesn't only make your experience worse, but ours aswell. Try being Nice!" and this actually works more often than not.
I will copy paste this if you don't mind ^^. I will try it. I usually try to being nice in the chat but with short sentences like : keep going ! Nice play ! We can win ! Let's go ! etc... So thank you :D !
If I'm allowed to I would like to use this too :D
you lost me my game and ruined my gaming experience i should be able to ruin yours as well either we both suffer for it as in bans/restrictions or neither of us should
You ruined my Playstyle as a feeding troll. When I can't ruin your game, where is my fun?
@@TheRealAquaz yikes no one is talking about feeding trolls
League of Legends has become associated with being a sport, probably more than we realize. This increase in competitivenes probably contributed to its toxicity as well
definetly, it's that the game is so much focused on competitiveness that making even small mistakes are met with straight-up solid punishment, be it either throwing the game or flaming others repeatedly
if this game was less strict on how competitive players need to be, it'd ACTUALLY be playable and very much better at being team-strategy like game.
@@aloe7794 👏👏👏
I played hockey since I was 6, I have almost never experienced toxicity and a lack of sportsmanship in my entire life.
However we also get to beat the shit out of eachother at any point in time soooo…..
@@FormerGovernmentHuman lol finna reach through the screen
Great answer, also the nearly zero reward given when you lose is also the case, yes i know the honor level which nobody give any fuck
I am a new LoL player and what i experience is, that people only care about how many kills you have. Being helpful to the team, without getting kills, seems to be unimportant and i really hate that, because it is especially frustrating for new players like me who aren't killing machines right from the start. In games like Rainbow Six Siege (I have over 1000 hours in ranked) for example, you can still be an important asset to your team by providing valuable information, bringing the right tools for the job and so on...without getting 1 kill in a whole match and people won't (most of the times) be mad at you, as long as you were helpful. Yes, LoL is very different from Siege of course, but LoL is still a game were you play as a Team and there should be a way for new players to learn and enjoy the game without having to achieve positive K/Ds in every game. But that's only my opinion.
i know that league is just a video game, but when i take breaks from playing i genuinely feel happier. i tend to go back to other games and actually have fun in my down time and not have to simultaneously deal with an unbalanced game and toxic players.
Unfortunately, people, me and certainly Riot too think that banning an innocent person is worse than not banning a real troll
Me, a male enchanter support main:
Yeah, the stereotype about people being super dismissive of us is definitely true. I will also mention that any criticism, even good faith criticism, that I see is met with hostility and rage 99% of the time. This is the main problem I think, if people can’t acknowledge their own mistakes they will never succeed on a team or improve the state of a losing game.
For example, if I tell my Vayne to stop farming bot while the enemy team is 5 man kicking in our nexus and the only way they respond is “stfu brain dead janna player”... what are you even supposed to do? They are just inting. It’s rage inducing even in a normals game.
I’m proud of the fact that I have never inted or intentionally thrown a game. I play to win, even when we are down 30 kills and they are at our nexus. However, when others don’t have the same attitude, it can be super demoralizing and makes me not want to play the game.
Us supports in general(moreso enchanters but I play tank supports and still get shit) are treated so weirdly poorly and at the same time we are expected to make sure our ADC reaches end game when they are having a clearly bad day and are taking it out on everyone
I´ve played five games today, three ranked and two normals. Guess where the toxic person I´ve met today was? People can´t even acknowledge normals as a casual game anymore. So the toxic comunity make all of the differences disappear and at that point, why even play normals? On a side note, I must say I played a game where our Zed and Yi were just constantly complimenting each other and saying "mb" whenever they died, or at most complaining about how the enemy Ekko dealt too much damage, but it was all in good fun. Oh, and it was RANKED SOLO/DUO. Lastly, thank you for your kind behaviour and I also proudly have never ran it down intentionally. Have a good day.
I vibe so hard on that last part, "I play to win, even when you're down 30 kills and they are at our Nexus."
As a fellow support main (Bard ftw) I find myself often times trying counter-grief and be a morale boost when the frickin' Yasuo starts screeching at people for having the audacity to die (except when they die, then naturally it's the jungler's fault or bot's fault for feeding).
I do think there's lots of merit to certain classes/characters drawing certain kinds of people. Support players tend to be the most, well, supportive, and generally team-oriented. Usually a direct contrast to midlane fighters, who are like...full on anime-protagonist syndrome.
I'm by no means a competent player but like, morale is important, and people who flame are the baaaane of my lil support existence.
I stopped playing supports because I always felt like I couldn't do anything. If I played any champ my ADCs would either die a lot or I'd have a bad game, miss a bit in the early game which instantly tilted my ADC resulting in a dying ADC.
Also no one realises that to be a useful Yuumi you actually have to know how to play her, juggle her passive, champ priority, itemization and so on. Her skill floor is one of the lowest yes, but her skill ceiling is rather fucking high and her usefulness is directly proportionate to your skill. Then the ADC factor is accounted for and you're rendered useless again bc they have the 'Anime protagonist syndrome' and die leaving you waiting to be scooped up like some kind of a dessert to finish off the meal.
As a support main I say kill teammates with kindness and they stop trashtalking.
i’ve seen so many videos attempting to tackle this issue lately, riot really needs to do something.
It was 2012 when I first started playing. Played it for a good minute until the toxicity of the game and how it impacted me became more and more evident.
It wasn't like an fps shooter where you can fuck up because no one's paying attention to your fuck ups. Everyone's focused on how well they're doing, but with LoL, mfs are actively waiting to blame someone if the game starts going south. It got to the point where my own friends were screaming at me and each other on Discord because of how bad some games got. Not to mention I actually lost a relationship because all my attention was on the game. All my precious time that could've been spent doing something that would progress my life was spent on LoL. The shit was just not fun anymore..
Fast foward to early 2014, I finally uninstalled. While my friends stayed playing as soon as they got home from school, I was going to the gym, building new relationships, partying, making memories, and doing the shit that most rebellious teenagers do. It's crazy to think that my LoL friends didn't get to do any of that, all because they couldn't give up a stupid ass game. All those hours spent on LoL, and for what?
Books to read if you're struggling with the lack of substance in your life: The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle.
Godspeed friends.
The inflation of players' egos is shown by the fact that the game is designed around teamplay yet all everybody's talking about is 1v9 and 1v5.
not going to lie i find myself doing that too. i keep thinking i have to *solo carry* games because everyone is bad and i'm bad too but i can carry this. when i forget that like yeah we're all bad i'm in silver but i don't have to do this alone and i probably cant do this alone and my teammates while they may be bad that also means the enemies are bad and if we work together we can beat them by exploiting their weaknesses better than they exploit ours. idk and i don't really flame my teammates i just put it all on myself unnecessarily because (i'm pretty new) that's what everyone keeps telling me to do and that's what the expectations are like how you said everyone's talking about 1v9ing
I think it's the opposite. People who are hard stuck always complain about their teammates because they want to blame someone else. As if you would NEED a average performing team to win a game.
As long as you are under Dia2 you can solo carry 90%+ of the games if you are good enough because of the sheer amount of mistakes low elo players make. Or so I have heard from almost every high elo player/coach.
@@shahrif4687 Here's the thing though: to recognise that the opponent is making a mistake and then exploiting said mistake is also a skill in and of itself. Low elo players aren't necessarily stuck because they don't have good teammates but because they don't recognise what they're doing is wrong (hence they can't really recognise what the opponent is doing is also wrong).
Also, if one goes into the game with the attitude that they *MUST* solo carry and 1v9 it, they are unconcsiously priming themselves against their own teammates. This is why one views their teammates' mistakes harsher than those of their own. While 1v5 is still not a healthy attitude, it at least doesn't pit one against their teammates. The team is the greatest asset in the entire game and most people throw it out of the window because they view them as obstacle rather than allies.
@@lockretvids But if you want to climb your allies will always be an obstacle. If you rely on your team, you won't ever climb. Relying on your team and playing according to your comp's strength is a skill, but that doesn't invalidate the "solo carry attitude".
That's obviously based on which role you play. I am a top laner, who mainly plays divers/split pushers, hence the solo carry attitude has to be there. You cant just Aram it with your whole team as a splitpusher in silver cuz it's an inconsistent win condition.
Climbing is ALL about consistency.
Mental consistency and gameplay wise.
You are the only player you can relay on because you are the only player you have control over. Everything else is rng.
Obviously that doesn't fully count for enchanters but even enchanters have to solo carry. The just do it indirectly via enabling their ADC, which is a stat check, the exact way a split pusher pushing the side lanes to obtain gold/exp/turrets is a stat check. It's all about exerting pressure. Only the method differs from role to role.
Relaying on your team for me only means that I have to play around our champ with the biggest win con/pressure.
I don't think there is any other example for relaying on your teammates to climb.
But then again, I'm a Silver player so maybe I'm just talking out of my ass xD.
@@shahrif4687 I'm also silver, so take everything I say with a heavy grain of salt :D
Maybe I'm approaching it from this angle because I'm an ADC main, so for the first 5-15 minutes I have to rely on the team not to mess things up before I "come online".
League just highlights the fact that a large portion of humanity doesn't have what you'd call "Honor" "Heart" or a soul. There are a lot of petty, deranged, cowards in this world that play this game unfortunately.
What it highlights for me is that a large portion of humanity is actually stupid.
@@xniyana9956 that, and that humanity was lost long ago... extinction is immenent, we just don't know when, eh we'll see. probably end up nuking each other one day.
That is the answer i can agree on, the game is quite okay but some players are just toxic as simple as that.
I too have a bit of blame mentality but i keep it only in my head not on the chat because i know it won't help anything, saying bad words so you can "vent" is just a bulshit excuse for toxic people.
@@flowerofash4439 you would be suprised how little you get flamed if you play well crazy i know
@@stevebob2941 of course i know, i am a grandmaster because i flame and blame a lot, how else you gonna win?
When I play league, i stay positive, yes, I get tilted sometimes, but I'm always trying to stay positive, my adc died ? No problem, people get bad days, junglers missed smite ? No problem, we are not a robots, we don't have godlike reflex, even if I lose, I'm not mad because I know in order to win, someone needs to lose and it's normal so
To fix the toxic issue all riot needs to do is bring back the old system from the old seasons. The reason why you had less toxic people back then is because players could carry them self's and the game was less team focus, and more about a players skill and choices.
I think all team-based games could stand to do something along those lines. Someone here actually mentioned that it could potentially help reduce the toxicity is to reduce team rewards and begin to increase solo rewarding based on performance. If an entire team is going to be screwed over because one guy is a crybaby who throws a tantrum at them, why not reward the people who are actually trying to play and reward them for their work while reducing the people who go AFK or don't pull their weight.
Hunt: Showdown, while not a MOBA, has a similar reward system that rewards team play but even gives "underdog" rewards to solo hunters
No, people were just worse.
Wild rift is fun because everyone shuts up, no "?" Ping, the matches end quickly so I can just load up another one if I win or lose. The matches need to end quicker, so there isn't any 40min "hard fought" games where you walk away either tilted or relieved.
EXACTLY. I remember when I'm playing with a duo and we are basically doing 2v5 to save the other three because they were tilted hard. The game went on to 50+ minutes and we still lost.
Not really, I have been playing league since 2009, I since 2016 I've only played ARAM. People are toxic as fuck in ARAM and it only takes like 20 minutes. Honestly, every year it gets worse and worse
True an intense game like league should end around 30 minutes because it require so much attention energy, losing in 40+ minutes while people flaming each other is the worst thing you can get for a game
@@santiagosancho2317 obviously making the game quicker is not a magical trick to end toxicity, but it ease the torture
@@flowerofash4439 I've been playing wild rift a lot nowadays and I have to say they nailed it. Games are short but fun less toxicity even if you guys lose it's not that much of a hassle.
Imagine a game which you can talk about their community's toxicity for 16 straight minutes !
Most multiplayer games bro, try Dbd
Every single competitive multiplayer game?
It's not that hard.
If you make me waste 15 minutes on a game that's already lost, you get it.
If you refuse to surrender and then make me waste another 5/10/15/20/25 minutes because "every game is winnable", you get it.
That's every single multiplayer game in existence.
@@rushink Battlefield is not toxic because its not competitive in the same sense and yet it is ranked multiplayer.
Ps. you are already wasting your life playing league, why are you mad if you have to play 5 mins longer lmao
@@DuBstep115 👏👏
@@jensentaylor1384 I had to stop with DbD
It's not just the toxic t-bagging survivors
what does it for me is the matchmaking
I'm level 67 with about 170 hours
and when I play Killer which I do most of the time I get red rank survivors with hundreds sometimes even thousands of hours
So you sit there for 10 minutes or more just to be gen rushed in 3 minutes and totally outplayed by people with years of experience
You wasted so much time and you don't even get anything from it
And when I play Survivor with friends we mostly get facecamping and tunneling Wraiths so when you get hooked once it's over
This made me feel a lot better, you’re videos are appreciated keep them coming
The problem with league that barely exists in most competitive shooters etc: every single player has way more power over ones failure in the game than over the success of it. This is basically flipped in games like csgo etc. The worst thing someone can do in a good compepitive game with random mates is if they can only NOT contribute to winning.
That is not a good comparison, the "progression" on a CSGO game is not even close to the "progression" on a LOL game, if you made that 1 person could stomp they line and get feed enough to 1v5 and wing the game by itself, you would be in the same position as it is now, you would still lose a game by no fault of your own, unless you was to remove or reduce the progression on the game, basic make every one week, but then the game would be boring
That's a good point Armin
In a shooter too, there's no penalty for dying (you come back in 10 seconds with reloaded ammo and everything, no lost buffs, no resource gap). A top player in a shooter can spend the first third of the game doing nothing (literally nothing) and still pull out a win if they're good enough, because time to kill doesn't depend on your scaling.
I think something else that's subtle is that when respawns are quicker, you don't have time to start flaming in chat. In League, when you sit there for 40+ seconds with a grey screen, that's a lot of time to get really detailed with your manifesto on why it was everyone's fault but yours that you died.
@@sethb3090 you never played CSGO it seems...
This game genuinely crushes my faith in humanity sometimes, and the whole 'chat bans making things worse point' is especially bad. If losing the ability to say slurs in the chat is your excuse for running it down, you should probably stop and do some reevaluation of your life. It literally boggles my mind the excuses people come up with in this game, for being stuck in whatever rank they are, for why they lost, for why they are toxic or why they ran it down. It is like these people are physically incapable of taking responsibility for anything that happens or putting even a moment aside for introspection, and it is depressing to watch.
It's not an excuse, it's a cause. If the toxic ass can't slur in chat they troll, cause and effect. And it does suck but it's not an excuse, I do believe that if chat restrictions weren't in play there would be less feeders, because at least some of them* would be busy flaming. Otherwise I do agree with the rest of the comment. Introspection is a specially hard skill to get.
Even if they're saying crap, they should have the right to speak it.
If other's are annoyed, just mute them.
@@jonathankevin1309 they shouldn’t have the right, if something like league of legends is making them say all of that, then just stop playing the game and do something you enjoy more, just like what I’m doing these days
"I'M ADDICTED, SO I CAN'T QUIT"
Would be their excuse and maybe they started out just trying it then they got hook, addicted, and then they can't change their main game cause they are too deep into it. This got to be some kind of self- discipline and self- worth problem when they put their worth into numbers in a game and became too addicted to take some healthy break from this competitive game.
Some slurs should be banned, but generally they should let people to curse and shit talk.
"There's a limit to a humans patience."
Moms: I don't have such weaknesses
here take my like. i like star wars references
Moms don't have such weaknesses **in relation to their own offspring**. That's a very important qualifier. Chances are, you are not the offspring ;)
@@thrombocyte2054 Wtf are you even talking about?
@@user-sk6vi3gr2d Reading comprehension is a key skill in life. Maybe you should re-read the OG post and then my reply to it.
@@thrombocyte2054 Sure then what does your last sentence mean correlated to your first statement? Also you are talking about my comprehension skills but use ** to maybe highlight something in your sentence? I've never seen anyone doing that so naturally I was confused. I mean basic grammar doesn't allow you to use that symbol between a sentence.
I remember when they didn’t have the mute team mates option and you would have to sit in game for like 20-30 mins of people arguing.
As long as they aren't feeding, I don't care what they say. If they are feeding, then all I want is for them to ff. Not asking for much here.
Now at day, you can even use a command /mute all ,2 words and ALL the flame and ping spawn are solved...
@@xniyana9956 really? you lose a portion of your focus and energy by arguing, typing, pinging unnecessary while playing, your performance will decrease therefore lower your chance of winning the game
I remember too. Wasn't fun at all.
Personally I have a lot of patience so the only time I ever go off in chat is when someone else is constantly whining and/or flaming the whole match. In my experience, every game where someone angrily spams the chat is an automatic loss because they're distracting the rest of the team and themselves; if they put that effort into the match instead of flaming all of us we still would've had some level of chance to still win.
But, again, that's just my experience.
@Mitchell Legend this might be true, or they have a legit problem like being perma weakside and are sour for being ignored. sometimes it's not about putting more effort into a round, but to cut your losses and quickly move on to the next round. because to some people the win is actually not important, but having a good match is, and being the punching ball for the enemy team or enemy jgler, especiall if your ppl lollygags, is no fun.
btw.: from what you wrote you sound like a "never ff" guy.
I'm glad you got into the reasons people are so frustrated playing and not just whining about things in chat. If mismatch game could end in 10 minutes or a surrender could happen at any time in the game. People would be more likely to just say GG go next. But instead you're punished for 40 minutes getting steamrolled
imo, riot should remove turret plating altogether. it was a good idea back then, but now with so many lane bullies, punishers, and assassin abusers, you die once in lane as any champ regardless of how insane your late-game scaling is and you lost the game. maybe if the turret plating gold was removed, but the resistance bonus was kept, the game would at least be somewhat fixed
After 5 years of playing League, I'm happy to say that I have uninstalled the game and never look back. Riot was never your friend, they're all smart thieves who know how to extract money from you. Stay away.
???
There is barely any incentive to spend money in league, it is one of the game's few redeeming qualities. I agree that you should stay away but not for this reason lol
I also uninstalled the game but now I'm addicted to RimWorld
@@scarlett5554 but that game is actually good and isn't robbing you
Funniest thing is that tyler1 used to be the go2 example of toxicity in the game
That's no longer the case, not because he changed, but because everyone around him became so unbelievable toxic that he is no longer the worse, not by a long shot.
Riot basically made it ok to rage by unbanning him. That's when the downhill ride picked a few machs.
Games need to be cut down in time. When you know you lost at 8 minutes and your team won’t ff at 15 and you stay in a loosing game till 25 is just infuriating. And so you just hate literally hate teammates that hold you hostage or make you feel that way.
It's normally the guy doing well that votes no on surrender.
@@CantoniaCustoms or the guy doing so bad, I had 4 say yes and 1 say no and everyone said they said yes but the 0/11/6 GP top.
@KA really depends who you play. Even if I get fed as Rammus, there's only so many enemies you can keep out of the fight if your team isn't pulling their weight.
and the duos
Great video, thanks for making it :)
I won't claim that I'm very good at this game, but I have to play with the troll account players CONSTANTLY. I actually can't get through a week of play without having at least 5 games with these players. I look at their porofessor and see that they have an almost 100% lose rate with high death count, plus they speak in chat about how they're just in the game to ruin it for us because they think it's fun. These accounts are the biggest issue with this game. I personally had an LP penalty applied to me when my power went out doing a hurricane and I lost the ability to get back into a match. Riot and I talked back and forth and they basically said "yeah we have to apply this to maintain the integrity of the punishment system" but they literally don't do anything meaningful about these troll accounts. It's kind of a joke.
honestly, there are so few very great games in LoL.
Usually, games are over very quickly (wins or losses), but sometimes you get a very exciting 45min long game, where everyone pulls their weight, both teams are equally as strong, it could go either way, and at the end everyone writes ggwp.
That is so rare, yet still sooooo awesome, and i am really looking for such games.
Is this my inner-Nami speaking? XD im support main, i always want the best experience for everyone
A very exciting 45 minute loss? Are you kidding?
Problem is those great games are getting harder and harder to find.
Gg EZ, not gonna be able to write that anymore. 😂
@@Baner496 XD true. Thanks for reminding me of this comment
Ah so you like to get carried then.
The core issue is that most gamers (not specifically league players) have very poor communication skills.
Mix that with a limited ways to communicate, a highly competitive setting, and the a culture breaded from immaturity (off a guess most online gamers are either teens or young adults). It just spells for a toxic landscape.
Why league is specifically so bad is because the game is heavily depended on team work. There’s too many things out of your control, such as your teammates performance or temper/mood.
If a teammate starts performing badly, that negatively affects your chances of winning, which would obviously get you worried at the very least. The fact this player is a random player, you disassociate them with an actual person, making it far easy to berate them as if it were a face to face setting. Plus the fact it can easily snowball to multiple people insulting eachother, things will lose focus fast and being stuck in this situation for a minimum of 15 minutes will just eat away at most people.
I had accuired 2 permabans for flaming. Started playing again but learned to keep calm if I see someone fail. 3rd ban was due to absolute piece of sh*t teamates who despite going 0/5 in lane went on a flaming rant how their jungler (me) was trash, useless and how his mother is this and that. I was actually doing really well, farming, taking objectives, turned the tide on other two lanes in our favor but somehow it was my fault they were getting ganked when they were balls deep with no vision for no good reason. I couldnt take it anymore and responded back with simillar vocabulary. That was my 3rd and last permaban, I dont play that shit anymore
Another thing I've noticed that makes mobas in general more toxic is that you're locked in for at least 10-15 minutes. In other games like an FPS, you know there's always an escape button if you need a break and someone else will fill your spot. In League you can get trapped like a bunch of monkeys in a cage with the fear of being punished for leaving.
@@tylerd80495 agree . You can't leave and thats the worst. If you die you see enemy write ez outplayed and your mates say wp and instead of leaving you need to still fight with no chance of winning 1v1 with enemy laner.
Tower plates were the worst addition to league
I've noticed that arguments can sometimes whip everyone into focus and cause things to turn around.
I remember my last LoL game. I was on gold promos, for the 5th time I think, and we had a jungle xin that would not stop feeding, 1-15 on a 20 minute game. I looked him up and he was doing his ranked placement games (1st ranked game ever). Enemy had 2 plat players and the rest were high silver. I logged out and never logged back in again, this was in 2018. The matchmaking on this game is designed to give you a thrombosis.
Preaching truth brother. The matchmaking is what makes people rage out of their fucking minds, they just don't know it. They think it's chat HA
I recently started playing league again after a couple of years and I am actually having fun, so I thought I would give my thoughts on the subject. I think one of the biggest problems is that people forget there are other humans in their team. It is easy to scream at a computer because what is it going to do, compute some more numbers? But when you realize that you are flaming another human being I think/hope people will realize that everyone makes mistakes. That being said, just don't take the game to seriously and laugh at your mistakes, it makes the game way more fun.
"don't take the game to seriously and laugh" man people are broken in lol. I play normals with my friend that do not have 30 lvl yet and guess what. They have audacity to flame him
im glad ive gotten more to the point where i want to have a fun game with tense action and mix of good/bad interactions rather than only having fun when i win, when we're stomping in aram in 10 min im the guy that asks us to let them come back a bit so we can keep enjoying the game a bit longer, some people are VERY confused by this and would rather just win game by 12 minutes
Just allow people to leave game, as a surrender, and that will kill 95% of the toxicity.
The core of the problem is that people get held hostage in a game they don't want to be in.
It's actually a very easy solution.
I remember in wolf team (old fps game) you could leave the match at any time and not get banned for it, you'd lose some rank like equivalent to 60lp or something, but you wouldn't get fucking banned like riot does lol
being held hostage is the worst part as you said, especially before the 20 minute mark when 4 people want to ff but the 1 dude trolling clicks no and he gets to outvote 4 people's decision (wtf is democracy right?)
@@findout2655 Problem with that approach is that if someone leaves, it pretty much condemns the rest of the team to a guaranteed loss, and if it simply ended the match instead, literally every game would end in a surrender.
@@throg4657 yeah this doesn't work in current league, I'm just spilling out ideas... being forced into a match because 1 single asshole decided to click no to ff is a pain in the ass, it shouldn't work like that... before 20 mins if 4 people want out they shouldn't be outvoted by 1 single person... got it?
I also believe we should be allowed to ff starting at 10 mins (even if no one is afk, just let players have the agency)
I guess that's why I'm an outlier. I just play for fun. If I lose a game I lose. It's all just memories with my buds. I can look back at the replays and see what I did wrong (or try to see what I did wrong) and grow from it. End of the day it's a game. I played a woman floating around with a magical harpstring bow or a spiky guy who looks like a pinecone who never speaks more than two syllables at a time. I can laugh and smile knowing that.
Keep playing for fun. Don't ever make the mistake of playing competitively in this garbage SoloQ environment.
@@xniyana9956 I'm the kind of guy who would get friends to do the seasonal placement matches and then just not touch ranked for like 4 months. Only use it as an occasional test of skill and not care if I win or lose.
I have never ran into more toxicity when being a new player ever compared to this game. Like if a team mate dies in ARAM they get pissed at you for not dying with them.
What i do when people refuse to ff is i just stop trying, i dont help them, i take jungle camps, i mindlessly splitpush. Basically i do everything to make the game end faster one way or another
The face in the corner during T1 rage. The face down there... is what really made that for me
I like to play yuumi so I no longer consider myself as "playing" the game.
Playing as Yuumi is a decent mental reset, sometimes. Because if your team can't produce a single carry, it's not on you.
I played yummi, I attached to our top lane, they clashed at the dragon pit, my top laner tp, i was left behind at the base without boots. 😑
7:56 keep in mind riot completely dicked crit chance for adcs, so you need 5 items to get 100% crit instead of 4 and on top of that crit damage was reduced even harder.
In the meantime the windbros got their passive adjusted to get 100% crit with 2 items. And they get ad converion from more crit. Just goes to show how bad riot is at balancing their own game
this fact does not show unbalance. u are just describing an element of the game. just because the windbros have more crit chance doesn't mean they're stronger
Adcs are literally fine this season
You should play only meta to realise you are describing it wrong. A good adc can win the game almost alone. Take Samira/Aphelios/Kaisa/Kogmaw if you know what you doing, you win games.
@@carlosemiralonso7997 I mean, so can every Hypercarry and the broken AP no mana assassins in the midlane and the immortal bruisers with infinite dashes and sustain in the toplane
An open meta does not mean X thing is better than Y thing, just that Y thing isn't as bad in comparison to X thing.
Warzone/CoD defines this pretty well, you like the M13? Well, you can use it and win with some effort. But someone with a Grau 5.56 will perform slightly better for simply using the superior weapon
@@shikikankillzone4239 I fail to known anything not league related. Sorry
I have no idea how I went 30 beginner levels without getting toxic on. But when the first time I got a toxic game , I quitted the game for like 6 months? Then went back with a level 30 acc with everyone telling me that am not even human or that I bought the acc. Honestly, those games put me on a 1 years hiatus.
Now, with more pain tolerance and much more salt, I just refuse to surrender the toxic players and reported them(which works most of the time). All while with a smile on my face. Just tells you how one grows to get jaded with toxicity and begin to fight back.
Two years later I must say at least in low elo (silver, gold) is that I can't imagine last time I had someone int but the instand toxicity and just general unfriendliness is ridiculous.
By just the %, and estimated numbers of players, over 69,000 of players have been permanently banned. I wonder how many just make/buy new accounts?
At least 8/10 of them...
I have 6 accounts just for trying new champions, since i don't want to wait 140 years to collect enough blue essence to buy everyone. It's almost terrifying how easy it is to creare a new account
@@cutboard4256 what? why do u need 6 accounts to try out champions?? do you get free blue essence when making new account?
@@johndank2209 around 10k is received with the first misions
@@milanesaconpure2994 reaching level 30 will get you about 30-40k
the whole time when you talk about how we don't really think we are the problem I felt like "this is definitely not for me" I blame myself for every mistake in the game (jng main btw) and when you say the ego comes in the way I was like oh guess I don't have any of that at all
I have had cases where i had a bad game as a jungler like 1/5 or 3/4 and they keep yelling out in the chat “useless jungle” etc and the report doesnt do anything
A few weeks ago I played my first game in lol and played sona because I liked her and went the top path, the first thing that happen was that a teamate was screaming at me and just stood there in spawn the entire game
the game will be less toxic the day the actual in game performance of players matter for lp gain - loss
How exactly would you judge the performance?
@@jimjimson6208 sadly it's impossible for now which is why the game is still toxic
@@ohmygoddiosmio9138 Good luck finding a way that doesn't shaft supports who aren't killstealing.
when it comes to League I have 2 options: play with my close friends, or don't have fun at all.
and yes, Snowball is at its MOST toxic nowadays, i s2g, ive been playing this game since Aatrox was released and it was never, ever, this bad
even my good friends become somehow toxic while playing lol
Been playing since halfway into season 1, 100% agree. Never took ranked seriously for the reasons listed, there are so many random variables outside of your control affecting your rank that it feels frustrating to try to climb to only have randoms with 17% winrates throwing your games all the time. I treat the game like it's mario party, just a social game to play normals with my friends even though I do tryhard, no reason to be toxic and angry about stuff you can't control.
I think the reason why your team-mates mistakes always seem worse is much more than just a lack of introspection. The key thing for me, is that whenever you die, you understand what you were trying to do in that situation and have some idea how it's likely to benefit. Often, you might not WANT to be doing what you are doing, so when you die you don't take responsibility. So, for example, the support getting caught out late tilting you.. they are probably well aware that what they are doing is dangerous, they are probably sitting there thinking "that idiot top laner, if he just pushed out the wave before he backed then I would be able to do this safely" then when they die, they aren't going to think about what they did wrong, they will be thinking something like "figures, knew that was going to happen".
Oh boy, oh boy, this will be hilarious!
Every time I think about LoL toxicity I wonder why so many sociopaths are willing to play this game which is literally built around team play. Why they don't want to play PUBG or other ‘single mode’ online games?
Yeah this community would feel right at home in GTA.
Mostly because I don’t like Shooters lol
Because when you lose 1v1 or Free for All games you can't blame team mates for your loss and have to deal with the fact that you are just bad
Man, league is most addicting game ever. You cant stop playing simply because winning feels so good, game itself is nice but losing is just a bad time for your brain
@@ben8929 nice, it makes sense
I think there is one more reason for the toxicity. Adding to all the mental factors you mention, when people watch streamers being toxic, they tend to normalize it, accept it and then copy it. I mean... You can see that every big personality in the league streamers community now is a not good copy of Tyler1. And I'm not agaist Tyler, but being loud and toxic it's what gives him the popularity he has today, and it really sells. So everyone is watching and normlizing disrutive behaviours more and more, because it's what gets more views on streaming platforms. I think thats a really big reason why there are more toxic players now than a few years back.
I disagree. People who watch it and enjoy "toxicity" in streamers is because they understand where it stems from, making it empathetically relatable, entertaining, and -connecting-. Sure, there may be some who love to emulate their favorite toxic streamers' toxicity, but to say its some kind of validation on their part that catalysts toxicity is a stretch for the whole. And if you look at the most "toxic" streamers that are popular, you'll see that their toxicity isn't at all that "toxic", and may even vary depending on what happened in the past and current games they've played.
I agree. Had a game last night where I died to enemy Nasus during dragon fight, our Singed said thats gg go next. I told him "you are not your favorite streamer and we are not in high elo, we will win". Flamed me in global the next 20 minutes right up to us destroying enemy Nexus. He actively wanted us to lose for refusing to surrender.
Sooo trueeeee
Nope, its not Tyler's fault, its Riot's fault for why there are toxic players. Watching streamers tilt is just irony. Riot does not punish game ruining behavior so toxic players keep behaving badly. Riot is the root of the problem, not "toxic" streamers like T1.
i think its more of a problem that people get banned for what they say but not for what they do in the game.
Hey Vars, great video and great editing.
This little question has nothing to do with the content of the video though.
What is the name of the background music, it sounds pretty neat.... I hope you are able to read it.
Sorry for the trouble.
I'm a Renekton main, but even I am annoyed at the snowball. Especially in the top lane, often, I kill my opponent once or twice and they literally can't do anything to affect the game anymore, unless I troll very hard. The same goes for when my opponent kills me.
The snowball penalizes you for limit testing, and makes it that much harder to improve.
snowballing is the best thing to avoid long sessions. just get good
@@LeReVaQ I literally play one of the champions that benefits the most from snowball, what are you talking about? lol I'm complaining because after I kill my opponent once, the game is already over and it just gets TOO easy. You might need some more brain cells, ngl
@@LeReVaQ so you want every game to be 10 minuts long?
Agree so much!, been complaning about the snowball for many years. Recently came back after few years break and noticed it's still here sadly. It's just like ok now im useless/they are useless game is over already... what's the point to continue?
If you get killed in top lane and are behind you have to adjust your playstyle
Like freezing your wave near your tower, only focusing on farming and setting up a gank maybe.
In like 5 out of 10 times you can turn around the lane
Or make clever TP plays and snowball your other lanes
Literally everyone who says the snowball is too strong is probably not able to find and execute ways to prevent it
You mentioned it a bit toward the end, but I think the fact that it's so easy to create new accounts to avoid punishment could use a little more emphasis. As someone who came back to the game after a ~5 year break, ranked placements were a complete nightmare. I almost quit again because being exposed to the toxicity so constantly was noticeably affecting my mental health. It became clear that many of the accounts I & my friends were encountering were smurfs whose toxic behavior was emboldened by the fact that they effectively had nothing to lose.
So, I think implementing something along the lines of what they do for Clash (SMS account verification) for ALL modes of play could be something that *would* have a tangible positive effect, practically overnight.
Yeah and what happens when you get trolled or inted 10 games in a row and then you call someone an idiot and eventually get banned? Yes the solution is to make it harder to make new account, not to fix the stupid ban system that punishes you for typing but does fuck all to stop people for griefing. Makes sense
@@mohamedsoliman416 yeah actually if you regularly call people idiots you should get banned. The fact that you had to obfuscate and abstract it so far to "punishes you for typing" instead of the much more straightforward and correct "punishes you for insulting people consistently" makes me think that you probably understand it, too. Deep down, at least. Makes sense to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
3:06, that blitz ult looked so cool
this doesn't explain why I never felt toxicity or was toxic to other players on Mobas like Smite? League seems uniquely like the most toxic Moba in existence, many friendships ruined over ****ty people's attitudes towards it.
because nobody cares bout smite xd
I have to say, I prefer losing a well-fought aram while talking to the enemies in all chat than gaining 30 LP in a single game.
30??? three take it or leave it
@@rj-juan9429 trueeeeee
I started playing more ARAM a couple of months ago as I was having a bad time playing ranked games. At the begining I thought it was boring but eventually started to like it. However, the fun is being ruined by afk people. Some never connect, or some get in, get killed 3 times and stay at base waiting for surrender or the enemy team to finish. As it is ARAM I like building different stuff, one game I played full tank Malphite and I was being harassed by a guy for playing tank, on a different match I played full AP malphite, and the story repeated, this time for not playing tank, like wtf
The enemy team tends to be very toxic as well "GG Ez noobs, unnistall, you're trash" etc. most of the times I lose that's the /all chat
I’m a girl and I have been playing league for a maximum of a year now, I see the toxicity that was mentioned in this video ever since day one. My mains are Rakan and Varus but recently I decided that I wanted to learn Yasuo and switch to mid. I’m in general a very positive person and I never give up on a game even though the enemy is storming our base I always say we still have a chance, as long as the nexsus stands we have a chance. Ever since I switched to Yasuo and I started playing to learn him I have gotten nothing but people flaming me for not carrying in the first five minutes and giving up after ten because I’m still learning. They type in chat “ Just ff this Yasuo sucks we can’t win this “ when we are 5 kills ahead and we took the first tower. I don’t understand that concept and I don’t understand how you can give up so easily when someone is doding everything in their power to help and do their part. I still have to learn a lot about the game I recently started playing ranked and I’m doing decent there with my two mains. I don’t think that I will start on learning a new champ anytime soon simply because I’m not given the chance to learn.
Yeah that's juste yasuo tbh. He gets it worse. Wait till you experience being tower dove or camped just because people personally hate yasuo. I do the same to irelia and kata tbh when I jungle - fuck those cancers
I do also want to think that there is some sort of psychology to it. Like for example, we associate a champion like (just throwing this champ out there for example) Irelia. There’s this mentality that this champion is really good, thus them not carrying in the first 5 10 or 15 minutes means the player playing the champion is bad when in reality it could be a multitude of factors, like maybe a counterpick, enemy jungle, just learning the champion, etc. I guess my point is is that you are expected to be the one and only carry on your team because you pick a really good champion. Obviously, there are other factors that go into play and I can be completely wrong, but I feel like it is a plausible explanation.
Lol. Yasuo players are a meme. When somone plays Yasuo and sucking they blame it cuz "Its just another Yasuo player" who if they see they can R presses it no matter what or just goes in thinking they can 1 vs 5. That probably explains a chunk of the treatment you are getting from your teammates. I played since S2 and these days its easier to comeback from a losing game believe it or not. Before, if you lose early, there is almost no chance of comming back. The give up easily mentality IMO comes from Korean players. People from other regions watch thier games admiring them, seeing them quitting early gets immitated not knowing where this behaviour comes from. Koreans have a "pali-pali" culture which is kinda like a "get it done as fast as you can and move on" mentality. This, coupled with them mostly playing in internet Cafe's which they are paying by the hour makes a lot of sense. That's just my best guess anyway.
“Im a girl and”
Pls uninstall