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As much as Lecter thinks too highly of his intellectual abilities, no one dares to question his authority, until Will. Will is smart enough not to play Lecters games, which Lecter wants, but brave enough to point out the obvious against a mentally superior individual.
@@emiliospowerballer1441 he also possesses extraordinary empathy, allowing him to read and understand people better than Lecter. I believe that is what was being alluded to here when he asked how he caught him. For all his intellectual giftedness Empathy is an entirely alien concept to Lecter because he simply doesn't perceive emotions like most humans do.
It's about insanity resulting in compulsion to patterns, both for Lecter and for the Red Dragon and Buffalo Bill as well. Serial killers get caught because they fall into patterns, or their psychosis needs to be served by patterned behavior.
Yeah I like how will despite nervous still tried to not show Hannibal fear. In silence of the lambs Clarice is just being toyed with. But given that will is a veteran and already knows Hannibal's antics he is able brush it off easier
The point is to get off topic and attempt to turn Will's mind in on itself, to add to and reinforce the questions that he asks about himself while he's working a case; if Lecter can get him shaken and responsive enough, maybe Will will give away something about where he lives or reveal other weaknesses. You don't want Hannibal Lecter inside your mind.
"You are not going to persuade me by appealing to my intellectual vanity." "I don't think I'm going to persuade you at all You're either going to do it or youre not." I love how even though he knows hes out of his depth with Hannibal, Will still establishes to him that he's in control.
I love how this scene is set up to mirror Clarice's first meeting with Lecter in Silence. The long walk down the hall and everything. And you kinda expect Will to get chewed up by Lecter like Clarice did, but he pretty much deflects all the blows from Lecter. I love Hannibal's angry face, it's the same one my cat makes when I fuss at him
Will's that guy who has more insight on the topic than the guy teaching the course, but who really doesn't care about credentials more than intelligence.
The older I get the more I appreciate the more subtle performances. They can evoke such a profound depth and breadth of emotion simply through the cadence and delivery of their dialogue alone, without the use of histrionic harangues and temper tantrums. It's truly the space between the notes that creates the music.
Owning a character implies exclusivity. Hopkins' performance is truly great: iconic and captivating. He portrays Lecter as like a shark, staring unblinkingly at what is always undoubtedly prey, even if that moment is not the proper opportunity to strike. He is not a shark though, rather the devil trying to prey on your fear and weakness. Hopkins' Hannibal is undoubtedly evil, something he embraces and enjoys. This is all praise for the portrayal, but I no longer consider this performance the definitive edition of Hannibal Lecter. Personally, Mads Mikkelsen's take on the character is a better portrayal, source material be damned if it contravenes. The character, and how the show portrays the character, is not evil. Rather, both invite you to question morality. By conventional ethics, Hannibal is certainly evil, but from Hannibal's perspective, he is more ethical than anyone else. His morality is centred on artistic expression and eradication of distasteful behaviour instead of life. Killing the rude, turning them into morbid tableaus, and transforming their flesh into culinary art is the most virtuous act. You must dress smart and demonstrate intelligence and courtesy in all aspects of your life in the same way that being kind and helpful would be considered a core tenet in conventional ethics. His enlightened philosophy sets him above humanity, rendering them a sub-species for him to do with as he pleases. In this way, Hannibal considers himself a peer to God, in whom he definitely believes. Hannibal does not worship God for they are both above humanity, but he marvels at God's deeds and the way He exercises a feeling of power over His followers when He makes churches collapse on them. This trans-human level Hannibal believes he embodies leaves him lonely, and thus desperate for someone who can understand him. Will Graham is that opportunity. Don't get me wrong, Hopkins is incredible and I completely understand why people love him, I do as well, but Mikkelsen's performance has so much nuance and complexity that I can't help but prefer it. If you haven't seen NBCs Hannibal, I highly recommend it. Not perfect at all, but it's presentation is so great, and the performances and writing are brilliant.
@@Kenny-hv9mm Heath Ledger gave a phenomenal, perfect performance that was brilliant for The Dark Knight. However, it's also not the Joker in some respects. The way Mark Hamill, especially in the Arkham Games, voices the character is also iconic and in some ways more true to the character. Still worth mentioning that Hopkins and Ledger gave incredible performances that deserve their status and infamy, just wanted to mention that, as great as they are, they're still not the be all and end all.
I'm 70. When I was younger I watched 4,000 movies, many varied genres. I watched every Serial Kilker movie in English and one one in Korean. Silence of the Lambs stands out as exceptional. Also, the prequel Manhunter. And, Seven.
I love this series very much, huge fan. The casting unfortunately is reversed. Ed Norton should have been the killer and Ralph Fiennes the detective. Ralph Fiennes just did not have the savage edge that was needed and some of the scenes were bordering on comical, the way he cast in Bruges. Not to say Ed did not make a fine detective, he nailed it.
@@joshuaarmstrong377 I mean, he's not unpredictable. Humans are afraid of the irrational, the unknown, the suddenly dangerous. He's very rational for a villain, so he's really hardly scary.
The dialogue & performances are perfectly fine but YIKES this looks like dogshit how the scenes in this location are photographed & lit compared with Silence of the Lambs. Literal light n day difference in the beauty of depth of light & tone & feeling, Demme's film makes this look like a pedestrian TV commerical.
Hopkins is the only actor who can scare without any make up or mask.....Just by the expressions, way of speaking and look. All other horror movies are just.....meh.
I know this will start off a never-ending debate, but I never have understood the praise that Anthony Hopkins (who overall is a good actor) gets for this character. It’s unrealistic, hammy, operatic, & grasping to be Shakespearean. Manhunter is far better and more naturalistic.
I don't understand why people read the Hannibal books or watch the movies expecting something realistic. It has always been poetic and flowery, a serial killer who develops a new personality off of a painting. One that murders as a means of transformation. It has always been hammy and theatrical, the Silence of the Lambs movie is the most direct book to screen adaptation there is, and Lecter in the book is even more like a vampire.
I read a story once about a pathological attention seeker. He would spare no expense to form a good impression on...anybody. in fact he was a civil servant in some...out of the way gingerbread bloc. I once saw him talk to the Conservatives and the Republicans in the same day, I'd never seen somebody so enthusiastically two faced. I wonder if his sang-froid would disturb a polygraph needle even a little bit
no. republicans are more economy focused and conservatives are more culture focused. if you call a conservative a republican chances are they will get offended @@spitty3456
@@spitty3456the real thing you should be questioning is how the OP said he read a story about something and then was an eye witness to it in the next sentence 😊
As much as I loved the character of Hannibal as a kid, it’s just laughable now. Oh, I don’t wear the right cologne? You’re really getting in my head. You only accomplished any crime by making people think you were harmless. Him being in the cell should automatically diffuse all of that
Well to be fair, Clarice did not have Will's "gift" of being able to place himself directly in the shoes of the killers. She was talented, yes, in her own way, but Will was leagues ahead of her , really.
What happened here? Edward isn't even trying with his line reads. It literally sounds like it's the first time he's reading them at a table in front of his agent who just handed him the script. And Anthony Hopkins...is Anthony Hopkins. Turns my stomach. You have such a formidable vivacious expansive actor in Hopkins, and then NOTHING from Norton. Nothing at all. No effort no nothing. It's so weird. How did this happen?? He's a good actor! Why did he not even bother to phone it in???
He’s actually acting the part perfectly. He’s trying to portray himself as uninterested and unbothered by Dr. Lector which is why Lector continues to jab at him about his family and the remark about does Will dream. He’s showing Lector that he has no power of any kind over Will.
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The way he puts emphasis on the word “think” always sends a chill down my spine for some reason
"How is young Josh and the lovely Molly? They're allways in my thoughs, you know?" is much more chilling
"You had disadvantages"
"What disadvantages?"
"You're insane". Graham calling it as is.
As much as Lecter thinks too highly of his intellectual abilities, no one dares to question his authority, until Will. Will is smart enough not to play Lecters games, which Lecter wants, but brave enough to point out the obvious against a mentally superior individual.
@@emiliospowerballer1441 he also possesses extraordinary empathy, allowing him to read and understand people better than Lecter. I believe that is what was being alluded to here when he asked how he caught him.
For all his intellectual giftedness Empathy is an entirely alien concept to Lecter because he simply doesn't perceive emotions like most humans do.
It's about insanity resulting in compulsion to patterns, both for Lecter and for the Red Dragon and Buffalo Bill as well. Serial killers get caught because they fall into patterns, or their psychosis needs to be served by patterned behavior.
I love how Will ignores Hannibal's "Do you dream much?"
He knows too well where that bullshit is going
Where's it going?
@@jewdavid5627 To Starling.
Yeah I like how will despite nervous still tried to not show Hannibal fear. In silence of the lambs Clarice is just being toyed with. But given that will is a veteran and already knows Hannibal's antics he is able brush it off easier
@@jewdavid5627good question, where?
The point is to get off topic and attempt to turn Will's mind in on itself, to add to and reinforce the questions that he asks about himself while he's working a case; if Lecter can get him shaken and responsive enough, maybe Will will give away something about where he lives or reveal other weaknesses. You don't want Hannibal Lecter inside your mind.
"You are not going to persuade me by appealing to my intellectual vanity."
"I don't think I'm going to persuade you at all You're either going to do it or youre not."
I love how even though he knows hes out of his depth with Hannibal, Will still establishes to him that he's in control.
Will knows he's already won this exchange because Lecter simply can't help himself.
I love how this scene is set up to mirror Clarice's first meeting with Lecter in Silence. The long walk down the hall and everything. And you kinda expect Will to get chewed up by Lecter like Clarice did, but he pretty much deflects all the blows from Lecter. I love Hannibal's angry face, it's the same one my cat makes when I fuss at him
Will's that dude who half listens to the lecture all semester and produces a magnum opus final paper.
Will's that guy who has more insight on the topic than the guy teaching the course, but who really doesn't care about credentials more than intelligence.
Nobody has owned a character as much as Hopkins with Hannibal Lecter
The older I get the more I appreciate the more subtle performances. They can evoke such a profound depth and breadth of emotion simply through the cadence and delivery of their dialogue alone, without the use of histrionic harangues and temper tantrums.
It's truly the space between the notes that creates the music.
Agreed. However, check Billy Bob in “Sling Blade”.
Owning a character implies exclusivity. Hopkins' performance is truly great: iconic and captivating. He portrays Lecter as like a shark, staring unblinkingly at what is always undoubtedly prey, even if that moment is not the proper opportunity to strike. He is not a shark though, rather the devil trying to prey on your fear and weakness. Hopkins' Hannibal is undoubtedly evil, something he embraces and enjoys. This is all praise for the portrayal, but I no longer consider this performance the definitive edition of Hannibal Lecter.
Personally, Mads Mikkelsen's take on the character is a better portrayal, source material be damned if it contravenes. The character, and how the show portrays the character, is not evil. Rather, both invite you to question morality. By conventional ethics, Hannibal is certainly evil, but from Hannibal's perspective, he is more ethical than anyone else. His morality is centred on artistic expression and eradication of distasteful behaviour instead of life. Killing the rude, turning them into morbid tableaus, and transforming their flesh into culinary art is the most virtuous act. You must dress smart and demonstrate intelligence and courtesy in all aspects of your life in the same way that being kind and helpful would be considered a core tenet in conventional ethics. His enlightened philosophy sets him above humanity, rendering them a sub-species for him to do with as he pleases. In this way, Hannibal considers himself a peer to God, in whom he definitely believes. Hannibal does not worship God for they are both above humanity, but he marvels at God's deeds and the way He exercises a feeling of power over His followers when He makes churches collapse on them. This trans-human level Hannibal believes he embodies leaves him lonely, and thus desperate for someone who can understand him. Will Graham is that opportunity.
Don't get me wrong, Hopkins is incredible and I completely understand why people love him, I do as well, but Mikkelsen's performance has so much nuance and complexity that I can't help but prefer it. If you haven't seen NBCs Hannibal, I highly recommend it. Not perfect at all, but it's presentation is so great, and the performances and writing are brilliant.
Heath Ledger. Joker. Dark Knight. Nuff’ said.
@@Kenny-hv9mm Heath Ledger gave a phenomenal, perfect performance that was brilliant for The Dark Knight. However, it's also not the Joker in some respects. The way Mark Hamill, especially in the Arkham Games, voices the character is also iconic and in some ways more true to the character.
Still worth mentioning that Hopkins and Ledger gave incredible performances that deserve their status and infamy, just wanted to mention that, as great as they are, they're still not the be all and end all.
Really wasn't at all convinced by Edward Norton's performance as Will Graham. Not a patch on William Petersen's portrayal in Manhunter.
I'm 70. When I was younger I watched 4,000 movies, many varied genres. I watched every Serial Kilker movie in English and one one in Korean. Silence of the Lambs stands out as exceptional. Also, the prequel Manhunter. And, Seven.
Yep
Chitty chitty bang bang also would be on the list
Seven is pretty wicked too
I agree about Silence of The Lambs and Seven, to be sure!
"Give me one hour and privacy". Yeah, you use those case photos any way you need to, doc.
" ..and I need tissue lots and lots of tissue"
"Has a little ship on the bottle does it not?" LOL
I used to fall asleep to this and Hannibal serial killers fascinate me
About the only other person who could have played Hannibal would be Alan Rickmam. Maybe.
Mads Mickelson did a good job
@@darthgrouch4610 yeah, that’s true
Does this movie’s time period take place before when the original movie took place?
Yes.
Yes, Red Dragons final scene is right before Lecter meets Starling
Hopkins is a narcissist in real life, this role was meant for him, he was superb in his acting, very skilled and talented👌
Is he?
I love this series very much, huge fan. The casting unfortunately is reversed. Ed Norton should have been the killer and Ralph Fiennes the detective. Ralph Fiennes just did not have the savage edge that was needed and some of the scenes were bordering on comical, the way he cast in Bruges. Not to say Ed did not make a fine detective, he nailed it.
I really agree with this comment
Have you not seen Schindler's List? Ralph Fiennes knows how to play a psychopath he was good as Francis Dolarhyde.
Ladies and gentlemen, (one of) the scariest fictional character to grace a screen.
(Edit: Added the one of)
i really don't think so
@@veryhuman7472who else would it be?
@@joshuaarmstrong377 I mean, he's not unpredictable. Humans are afraid of the irrational, the unknown, the suddenly dangerous. He's very rational for a villain, so he's really hardly scary.
Reggie Ledoux, Dewall Ledoux and Errol Childress have him beat imo.
Anton Chigurh is far scarier, in my opinion. He's incredibly adept and ruthless, and is very unpredictable.
Just like slipping into a warm bath.
Not a patch on the original ‘Manhunter’.
Considering dialogue in the book and the first film, the scripting here could have been better.
And, Will WAS smarter than Hannibal.
No fucking way. Read the books. there's a lot they left out about Lector
Best part of the whole movie. Eff the haters below. (and spare us all your vapid retorts to this, please)
The dialogue & performances are perfectly fine but YIKES this looks like dogshit how the scenes in this location are photographed & lit compared with Silence of the Lambs. Literal light n day difference in the beauty of depth of light & tone & feeling, Demme's film makes this look like a pedestrian TV commerical.
Despite being the exact location. It looks cheaper somehow? Really shows how important camera work is
Doctor Lector assists the FBI.
I actually enjoyed the red dragon more than silence of the lambs.
Multiple Miggs should have been a movie.
Anthony Hopkins embodied a crocodile and spider at the same time
At any moment, he could SNAP
Brilliant performance and overall fantastic film
Damn
What is the FBI really looking for?
way over the top
Says he has "disadvantages" plural and only says one thing 😅
so insanity is just one thing?
@@camerong5513*In the book he says, "Passion. And you're insane."*
The way Lecter looks at Will when he says "you're insane" chills my blood. 🥶
@@BearAndBunny0605 dunno why
Manhunter was so much better. Edward Norton's performance here is as flat as a board.
The late great Hannibal lector... Vote blue.
Vote Red.
Hopkins is the only actor who can scare without any make up or mask.....Just by the expressions, way of speaking and look. All other horror movies are just.....meh.
too cliche from the first film
FBI just 3 letrers at abc what about the others?.
A un point ou u autre vous avez Raison a 100 % mais bon tetu
the writing on red dragon was subpar compared to SOTL
NomNomNom, eno m stom.
I know this will start off a never-ending debate, but I never have understood the praise that Anthony Hopkins (who overall is a good actor) gets for this character. It’s unrealistic, hammy, operatic, & grasping to be Shakespearean.
Manhunter is far better and more naturalistic.
I don't understand why people read the Hannibal books or watch the movies expecting something realistic. It has always been poetic and flowery, a serial killer who develops a new personality off of a painting. One that murders as a means of transformation. It has always been hammy and theatrical, the Silence of the Lambs movie is the most direct book to screen adaptation there is, and Lecter in the book is even more like a vampire.
I read a story once about a pathological attention seeker. He would spare no expense to form a good impression on...anybody. in fact he was a civil servant in some...out of the way gingerbread bloc. I once saw him talk to the Conservatives and the Republicans in the same day, I'd never seen somebody so enthusiastically two faced. I wonder if his sang-froid would disturb a polygraph needle even a little bit
you never code switch? it can be funny
Im confused. Arent conservatives and Republicans the same??
no. republicans are more economy focused and conservatives are more culture focused. if you call a conservative a republican chances are they will get offended @@spitty3456
@@spitty3456not necessarily. You can be a conservative Democrat but that's basically just being in the middle
@@spitty3456the real thing you should be questioning is how the OP said he read a story about something and then was an eye witness to it in the next sentence 😊
PHD🪐
Youre insane
As much as I loved the character of Hannibal as a kid, it’s just laughable now. Oh, I don’t wear the right cologne? You’re really getting in my head. You only accomplished any crime by making people think you were harmless. Him being in the cell should automatically diffuse all of that
1 million % desperate fan service scene. tedious.
Will was a worthy adversary to Hannibal didn’t fall for his nonsense or get worked over like Clarece. Women are so much easier to manipulate
Well to be fair, Clarice did not have Will's "gift" of being able to place himself directly in the shoes of the killers. She was talented, yes, in her own way, but Will was leagues ahead of her , really.
@@jadefire2817 interesting take my friend 🤝
Actually , clarice was wise to lecters bs. She didnt bite much she was just scared.
*I smell incel.*
What happened here? Edward isn't even trying with his line reads. It literally sounds like it's the first time he's reading them at a table in front of his agent who just handed him the script.
And Anthony Hopkins...is Anthony Hopkins.
Turns my stomach. You have such a formidable vivacious expansive actor in Hopkins, and then NOTHING from Norton. Nothing at all. No effort no nothing. It's so weird. How did this happen?? He's a good actor! Why did he not even bother to phone it in???
He’s actually acting the part perfectly. He’s trying to portray himself as uninterested and unbothered by Dr. Lector which is why Lector continues to jab at him about his family and the remark about does Will dream. He’s showing Lector that he has no power of any kind over Will.
Manque quelque chose a kidnappez
damn, is this a convict or a consultant, my brain have hard time to differ hannibal lecter from those depictions.
Hopkins fell in love with his own myth , tries way to hard .