Love my Daikin Fit system installed in February and look forward to many years of carefree service as I have the 12 year service/parts warranty. The 3,200 tax credit and rebate was also a plus. The system is whisper quiet inside and outside and control is easy from the thermostat or the app on my cell phone from the cloud. Daikin is awesome and worth checking out.
Great content! Love the show! I live outside of Austin TX, so HOT and often humid. I have a 19-year old 5-ton Lennox with gas furnace. Electricity prices are skyrocketing. What’s your recommendation for a replacement? The Bosch IDS heat pump with corresponding air handler sounds interesting. Thanks in advance!
I have a Mitsubishi mini split system that's going on 11 years old and while it works great and is inverter, its min level is still sometimes too high. Days where the temp swings a lot it can overheat the house for a while. Also on the thermostats, none of them seem to integrate with a boiler. Would be great to have the heat pump work in 30 plus temps and let the boiler take over when it's really cold.
The Mitsubishis will work in colder than 30 temps, does it not have a thermostatic control that shuts off based on temperature? Normally it should shut off when it hits set point so you don’t overheat
Also Daikin FIT enhanced also outperforms this system. Not sure why you used the FIT E in the Bosche 15 seer amd the standard FIT as compared to the 18 seer. EER is also a terrible measurement for efficiency when looking at inverters.
I didn’t use the standard fit I used the same enhanced fit in this 18 SEER match up? Not sure what you’re referencing… I agree EER has nothing to do with efficiency in an inverter but the local utilities Xcel requires this for their rebates and the Denver Climate Action rebate, fortunately Phoenix (SRP) doesn’t. So Bosch qualifies for a lot of those rebates that the Fit Enhanced does not qualify for which is really why we started offering these as an option… I don’t care one way or another but we had several jobs where customers were choosing Bosch over the Fit from a competitor and we were tired of not having an alternate option when someone wanted something that qualified for those rebates, and the Bosch was competitively priced for it.
I’m watching the video again you might be right if that’s the case I’ll update and pin a comment but I used the same one in the 15 seer matchup so it would be wrong in both
You’re right I did the regular fit but looking in the manual the on page 31 it shows lower performance by the Daikin Fit Enhanced. 47F cop is 3.3 although the 5F cop is still 2.00 across the board 2-4 tons… capacity keeps up longer though.
FIT E has a better cop @ 5 degrees I believe than Bosche 18. It’s also notable that Bosche doesn’t even make their own compressors. The Daikin swing compressor is the King of the Hill
Are there any benefits to the non-communicating furnaces, other than not having to buy a new thermostat? Is the simplicity of the system worth the (slightly) lower efficiency?
Depends on your climate and use and preference… even in coast Southern California I’d splurge for a Daikin fit only because it’s going to be quiet the 2-3 months out of the year it’s running in heating and cooling. But if that doesn’t matter to you then I’d get a basic system for that reason because the efficiency is a non-starter and doesn’t get used enough to save money efficiency wise. My favorite thing about them is definitely how quiet they are.
Also the non communicating Bosch systems are still very efficient inverters these are not less efficient than a lot of the communicating systems out there
If you are running a heat pump that uses an inverter, does this essentially mean it has a built-in "soft start" design that won't put as much of a demand on an off-grid solar/inverter system?
I believe that’s correct. But will await answer. This question came up for me when considering adding a compressor defender. Also NB these federal tax rebates dotn apply to new builds !
Yes but it’s a step up from a soft start kit. A soft start kit just has a starting capacitor that essentially stores the initial inrush current so when the AC first kicks on the starting amp draw is lower. However an inverter has a massive amount of capacitors on the inverter board and because it’s ramping up in small increments the difference in starting amp draw is massive even compared to a soft start. For example I could run a 5 ton inverter heat pump / AC on a smaller 6000 watt generator if needed because starting amp draw is 2-3 amps instead of 20-30. And when it’s ramping up if it’s not for the full load it will stay at a lower capacity.
@@TheHVACDopeShow - This would make the EG4 6000XP (or maybe a pair of them) suitable for running a heat pump with an inverter, whereas a standard heat pump could present a problem. Are there any ductless units with an inverter?
I realize that Daikin purchased Goodman, but in my shopping for a mini split unit, I chose Mitsubishi due to their availability, price, parts and service in my area. Trane/Amercian Standard joined forces with Mitsubishi for a reason, quality and dependability. Daikin moved their production from Asia (I believe it was Taiwan) to Texas. Sadly, their quality dropped and had too many issues. I hope Daikin quality control has improved since Japanese are infamous for the quality and quickly correcting errors in their production processes (I say this from working in wholesale automotive parts for corporations like Aisin, Denso, etc). Thanks for the great video.....
@@TheHVACDopeShow Perhaps in typical Japanese fashion, they rectified this matter. I see this on the automotive side with Toyota/Lexus. Thanks for the post.
Hi. Please simplify my life and tell me which specific brand and unit of heat pump i should buy for my house in alberta canada.. lol.. I have about 1300sqft main floor plus basement. I have solar. I think id like a ductless system for the sake of ease of install. You have some of the most informative content out there, so thank you thank you thank you
Mini split will still require backup heat I wish I had an easy answer lol but in Alberta it’s cold so even the lowest temp cold climate heat pumps like the GREE will still require a backup. You have access to more heat pumps in Canada like air to water monoblock but they’re more expensive. I think if you’re going the cold climate mini split route just make sure you have some sort of backup heat besides that to supplement for the coldest nights. Even if it’s just pellet stove it will help it keep up when it gets below -10F (-23C)
@@TheHVACDopeShow Thank you very much for the response. yes we currently have a nat gas high efficient furnace. we are trying to minimize the amount of nat gas consumption, as we have solar. 👍The only reason i wanted the minisplit is because i am more comfortable (as a plumber) installing that vs tying it into the central heating system. . . maybe thats a mistake on my part.
Very very important point. Bosch makes sense in dry climates ; but where you have humidity, and esp trunk seasons where humidity high but sensible not, they really suck. Latent heat removal is a huge issue for very large part of the country esp when you consider population involved- southeast mid Atlantic and much of Midwest Ohio Illinois, Missouri, etc.
I agree from a comfort perspective… you just have to understand some people don’t care, and they either more price sensitive and/or want a bunch of rebates from the city and they ask “if the Fit is better then why doesn’t it hit these rebates?” And me responding with “The EER isn’t high enough but the Fit is still better because of x y z” doesn’t always make a strong case. Also a lot of people don’t like the Daikin One. I don’t mind it I honestly don’t care that much for an hvac guy I manually adjust things when I’m too hot or too cold so I’m not trying to set it and forget it. But some people still have gone with these over the fit just because of thermostat flexibility to keep using there ecobee and room sensors. I think if Daikin added a room sensor option to the Daikin one that would narrow the gap but I’m just the messenger, this is what I’m hearing from customers I really don’t care one way or the other. Free market means giving customers what they want and giving them options.
@@johnwhite2576 The Bosch (Midea) units have a few DIP switches which change the performance algorithm. Adjusting these should improve comfort in humid areas.
Great content! Love the show! I live outside of Austin TX, so HOT and often humid. I have a 19-year old 5-ton Lennox with gas furnace. Electricity prices are skyrocketing. What’s your recommendation for a replacement? The Bosch IDS heat pump with corresponding air handler sounds interesting. Thanks in advance!
If electricity is skyrocketing the inverter (Bosch ids is an inverter) will save you money on electricity by comparison to non inverter, but might be more expensive for heating than gas…. However my guess is heating is not a big concern, I have been to Austin in the fall / winter and it seems like pretty nice weather. If you’re adding solar panels at all to supplement your consumption anytime soon then that solves that and offsets some of your usage and insulates you against pricing changes for electric
I agree that this channel has been great for information. He really helps to understand it all.
Thank you🙏🙌 much appreciated and glad we could help!
Love my Daikin Fit system installed in February and look forward to many years of carefree service as I have the 12 year service/parts warranty. The 3,200 tax credit and rebate was also a plus. The system is whisper quiet inside and outside and control is easy from the thermostat or the app on my cell phone from the cloud. Daikin is awesome and worth checking out.
Right on thanks for the testimonial, I agree we love the Fit super quiet, from comfort perspective it’s the best
Great content! Love the show!
I live outside of Austin TX, so HOT and often humid. I have a 19-year old 5-ton Lennox with gas furnace. Electricity prices are skyrocketing.
What’s your recommendation for a replacement?
The Bosch IDS heat pump with corresponding air handler sounds interesting.
Thanks in advance!
I have a Mitsubishi mini split system that's going on 11 years old and while it works great and is inverter, its min level is still sometimes too high. Days where the temp swings a lot it can overheat the house for a while. Also on the thermostats, none of them seem to integrate with a boiler. Would be great to have the heat pump work in 30 plus temps and let the boiler take over when it's really cold.
The Mitsubishis will work in colder than 30 temps, does it not have a thermostatic control that shuts off based on temperature? Normally it should shut off when it hits set point so you don’t overheat
@@TheHVACDopeShow I know they will work, but are less efficient than my boiler.
Also Daikin FIT enhanced also outperforms this system. Not sure why you used the FIT E in the Bosche 15 seer amd the standard FIT as compared to the 18 seer. EER is also a terrible measurement for efficiency when looking at inverters.
I didn’t use the standard fit I used the same enhanced fit in this 18 SEER match up? Not sure what you’re referencing… I agree EER has nothing to do with efficiency in an inverter but the local utilities Xcel requires this for their rebates and the Denver Climate Action rebate, fortunately Phoenix (SRP) doesn’t. So Bosch qualifies for a lot of those rebates that the Fit Enhanced does not qualify for which is really why we started offering these as an option… I don’t care one way or another but we had several jobs where customers were choosing Bosch over the Fit from a competitor and we were tired of not having an alternate option when someone wanted something that qualified for those rebates, and the Bosch was competitively priced for it.
I’m watching the video again you might be right if that’s the case I’ll update and pin a comment but I used the same one in the 15 seer matchup so it would be wrong in both
You’re right I did the regular fit but looking in the manual the on page 31 it shows lower performance by the Daikin Fit Enhanced. 47F cop is 3.3 although the 5F cop is still 2.00 across the board 2-4 tons… capacity keeps up longer though.
FIT E has a better cop @ 5 degrees I believe than Bosche 18. It’s also notable that Bosche doesn’t even make their own compressors. The Daikin swing compressor is the King of the Hill
Are there any benefits to the non-communicating furnaces, other than not having to buy a new thermostat? Is the simplicity of the system worth the (slightly) lower efficiency?
Depends on your climate and use and preference… even in coast Southern California I’d splurge for a Daikin fit only because it’s going to be quiet the 2-3 months out of the year it’s running in heating and cooling. But if that doesn’t matter to you then I’d get a basic system for that reason because the efficiency is a non-starter and doesn’t get used enough to save money efficiency wise. My favorite thing about them is definitely how quiet they are.
Also the non communicating Bosch systems are still very efficient inverters these are not less efficient than a lot of the communicating systems out there
If you are running a heat pump that uses an inverter, does this essentially mean it has a built-in "soft start" design that won't put as much of a demand on an off-grid solar/inverter system?
I believe that’s correct. But will await answer. This question came up for me when considering adding a compressor defender. Also NB these federal tax rebates dotn apply to new builds !
Yes but it’s a step up from a soft start kit. A soft start kit just has a starting capacitor that essentially stores the initial inrush current so when the AC first kicks on the starting amp draw is lower. However an inverter has a massive amount of capacitors on the inverter board and because it’s ramping up in small increments the difference in starting amp draw is massive even compared to a soft start. For example I could run a 5 ton inverter heat pump / AC on a smaller 6000 watt generator if needed because starting amp draw is 2-3 amps instead of 20-30. And when it’s ramping up if it’s not for the full load it will stay at a lower capacity.
@@TheHVACDopeShow - This would make the EG4 6000XP (or maybe a pair of them) suitable for running a heat pump with an inverter, whereas a standard heat pump could present a problem. Are there any ductless units with an inverter?
I realize that Daikin purchased Goodman, but in my shopping for a mini split unit, I chose Mitsubishi due to their availability, price, parts and service in my area. Trane/Amercian Standard joined forces with Mitsubishi for a reason, quality and dependability. Daikin moved their production from Asia (I believe it was Taiwan) to Texas. Sadly, their quality dropped and had too many issues. I hope Daikin quality control has improved since Japanese are infamous for the quality and quickly correcting errors in their production processes (I say this from working in wholesale automotive parts for corporations like Aisin, Denso, etc). Thanks for the great video.....
Thanks for sharing! I haven’t had this experience with Daikin but Mitsubishi is a great brand can’t go wrong there, glad you enjoyed the video 😁
@@TheHVACDopeShow Perhaps in typical Japanese fashion, they rectified this matter. I see this on the automotive side with Toyota/Lexus. Thanks for the post.
Hi. Please simplify my life and tell me which specific brand and unit of heat pump i should buy for my house in alberta canada.. lol.. I have about 1300sqft main floor plus basement. I have solar. I think id like a ductless system for the sake of ease of install. You have some of the most informative content out there, so thank you thank you thank you
Mini split will still require backup heat I wish I had an easy answer lol but in Alberta it’s cold so even the lowest temp cold climate heat pumps like the GREE will still require a backup. You have access to more heat pumps in Canada like air to water monoblock but they’re more expensive. I think if you’re going the cold climate mini split route just make sure you have some sort of backup heat besides that to supplement for the coldest nights. Even if it’s just pellet stove it will help it keep up when it gets below -10F (-23C)
@@TheHVACDopeShow Thank you very much for the response. yes we currently have a nat gas high efficient furnace. we are trying to minimize the amount of nat gas consumption, as we have solar. 👍The only reason i wanted the minisplit is because i am more comfortable (as a plumber) installing that vs tying it into the central heating system. . . maybe thats a mistake on my part.
Did I miss the part about the warranty comparison?
Maybe but I might have left it out? Daikin has the better warranty at 12 years parts with unit guarantee than Bosch at 10
This system’s indoor doesn’t modulate and match the outdoor. If you are looking for true comfort buy a Daikin FIT
Very very important point. Bosch makes sense in dry climates ; but where you have humidity, and esp trunk seasons where humidity high but sensible not, they really suck. Latent heat removal is a huge issue for very large part of the country esp when you consider population involved- southeast mid Atlantic and much of Midwest Ohio Illinois, Missouri, etc.
I agree from a comfort perspective… you just have to understand some people don’t care, and they either more price sensitive and/or want a bunch of rebates from the city and they ask “if the Fit is better then why doesn’t it hit these rebates?” And me responding with “The EER isn’t high enough but the Fit is still better because of x y z” doesn’t always make a strong case. Also a lot of people don’t like the Daikin One. I don’t mind it I honestly don’t care that much for an hvac guy I manually adjust things when I’m too hot or too cold so I’m not trying to set it and forget it. But some people still have gone with these over the fit just because of thermostat flexibility to keep using there ecobee and room sensors. I think if Daikin added a room sensor option to the Daikin one that would narrow the gap but I’m just the messenger, this is what I’m hearing from customers I really don’t care one way or the other. Free market means giving customers what they want and giving them options.
@@johnwhite2576 The Bosch (Midea) units have a few DIP switches which change the performance algorithm. Adjusting these should improve comfort in humid areas.
Isn't the Bosch equipment made in China? (A huge NO in my opinion).
Dude.....
Great content! Love the show!
I live outside of Austin TX, so HOT and often humid. I have a 19-year old 5-ton Lennox with gas furnace. Electricity prices are skyrocketing.
What’s your recommendation for a replacement?
The Bosch IDS heat pump with corresponding air handler sounds interesting.
Thanks in advance!
Also, consider doing a show where you answer people questions.
Yeah we want to do a call in I’m looking into setting something like that up
If electricity is skyrocketing the inverter (Bosch ids is an inverter) will save you money on electricity by comparison to non inverter, but might be more expensive for heating than gas…. However my guess is heating is not a big concern, I have been to Austin in the fall / winter and it seems like pretty nice weather. If you’re adding solar panels at all to supplement your consumption anytime soon then that solves that and offsets some of your usage and insulates you against pricing changes for electric
Thanks for your input! You’re right, heating not a big concern.
Any other solutions that you would recommend? Daikin Fit? Other? Thanks again!