The answer is simple: If Michael and Jesus were one and the same wouldn't Jesus Christ had revealed that to us? I believe so yes, he would have if it was true. And if the apostles were told that I believe we would have it in scripture. They lived with him for years and this is not a small detail they would have missed. It says nowhere that before his time on Earth Jesus was Michael the Archangel. I believe ONLY what Christ revealed to us through scripture, everything else is assumptions which create confusion.
@@scottgrey2877 It does not say he was Jesus. Nebuchadnezzar says he looks like one of the son of the Gods, meaning angels in that context. Remember Nebuchadnezzar lived before Jesus's incarnation in flesh. Depending what Nebuchadnezzar beliefs were about angels, you cannot conclude anything from that verse. I maybe wrong but I would really believe it if Christ himself had said so during his lifetime on Earth. And I see no reason he wouldn't do so if it was indeed true.
@@aknightwhosaysni2475 The problem with that argument is that there are _multiple_ reasons why Jesus could not possibly say that he was God. Firstly, concerning contested and controversial issues Jesus made it plain that: “If I testify about _myself,_ my testimony is not true. There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is true." (John 5:31-32) The Father is the one who testifies about who Jesus is - something he does by way of the Holy Spirit. And secondly, the time for Jesus to reveal his true identity had not yet come. Jesus came to the earth disguised as a human being. And what people who do not believe in Jesus fail to understand is that he did not do things in the way that _they_ thought he should do them. He was to reveal himself at a specific time in history. Notice for example how Jesus own brothers noticed Jesus secrecy and also that at that time they did not believe in him: "No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world.” For *even his own brothers did not believe in him.*" (John 7:2-5) And now take a look at Jesus' response: "Therefore Jesus told them, *My time is not yet here; for you any time will do."* (John 7:6) Your argument demonstrates the fact that you, just like Jesus brothers, assume that for Jesus to reveal his true identity "any time will do". So what "time" was Jesus alluding to? He actually tells us several times throughout the gospel. You see it here: "So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, THEN you will know that I AM, and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me." (John 8:28) You see it here: "As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, *"Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, *until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead."* (Matthew 17:9)" And you see it here: "Before long, *the world will not see me anymore,* but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. *On that day* you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you." (John 14:19-20) And you see it here: "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth." (John 16:13) Jesus true identity was a mystery that was hidden from the dawn of time only to be revealed AFTER his death and resurrection. So two questions need to be anwered: 1. Why couldn't Jesus identity be taught _before_ that time? 2. Why could it be taught _after_ he rose from the dead? *The answer to question 1:* No one at that time could bear such a controversial truth. All you need to do is read John 6 from verse 60 and onward to see what would have happened. The mere fact that Jesus claimed to be the "bread of life" caused many of his disciples to abandon him. Several thousand people had followed Jesus around, even travelling over the sea of Galilee to hear his preaching. But that claim caused ALL of them to leave him.. except for the 12 disciples. So what do you think would have happened if he claimed to be God hiself??? And that is exactly why he said the following: "Does this offend you? Then what if you see the Son of Man *ascend to where he was before!"* And where exactly was Jesus "before" his earthly ministry? As I pointed out in a previous comment, and that you most likely ignored, he was enthroned in heaven as the God of Israel. And when were they to see him ascend to where he was before? AFTER his death and resurrection. But before that time no one was ready to bear a truth such as that: "I have *much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.* But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.” What teaching was so controversial that it wasn't taught until after the Holy Spirit was poured out? Any ideas??? And when was the Spirit scheduled to come? AFTER Jesus death and resurrection: "But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." (John 16:7) *The answer to question 2:* Why could the trinity be taught _after_ Jesus death and resurrection? What had changed that enabled his followers to believe in Jesus rather than reject him as they did in John 6? This is what happened: "Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, *it produces many seeds."* Only someone who is born again can receive the testimony of the Father about Jesus - that the Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being.
“having become so much better than the angels, to the extent that He has inherited a more excellent name than they. For to which of the angels did He ever say, “Y OU ARE M Y S ON, T ODAY I HAVE FATHERED Y OU ”? And again, “I WILL BE A F ATHER TO H IM A ND H E WILL BE A S ON TO M E ”? And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “A ND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP H IM.”” Hebrews 1:4-6
@@AsDaysofNoahTVthe term still includes said chief with said category - angel. If hebrews says he is above that then Jesus is not the arch angel. If Isaiah 9:6 days Jesus is everlasting father, mighty God- he cannot be an angel , he is something higher. Talking about attributes Isaiah 9 has attributes of God ….are angels everlasting father? Are angels the Mighty God? Jesus has attributes higher than angels.
Mathew 1 : 23 "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son and they will call HIM IMMANUEL which means 'GOD WITH US'." Michael means "who is like GOD" They are not the same person. One is GOD and the other is like GOD.
@@davidmontes6652 note "Prince of Angels"...of angels...of angels. One more time... Prince of angels. St. Michael is not GOD'S son. He isn't Prince of GOD.
@@Episcopalianacolyte can you be more blind? You see the bible tells us that in the end times the veils would be removed, but it doesn't tell us that people would accept what they are seeing. You are one of them, you have to be open to the idea that everything that we've been thought could be wrong. Only then you will understand the truth.
@@davidmontes6652 Mathew 1 : 23 and what Michael means. I already told you that. You are accepting the teaching of the governing board without thinking logically.
Thanks for a logical and unbiased explanation. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I agree. To those who disagree, Michael's inclusion as one of the chief princes does not exclude the possibility that he is the chief angel. For a comparison, during WW2 General Eisenhower was appointed supreme commander of Operation Overlord-the Allied invasion of northwestern Europe. His designation as supreme commander did not raise his rank above "General" but it did increase his authority. Similarly, Jesus, at 2 Thess. 1:7, comes "from heaven with his powerful angels" to do battle with "those who do not know God..." At Rev. 12:7, Michael leads the expulsion of the demons from heaven. At Rev.19, Jesus, the Word of God, leads the heavenly armies.
@@maciiol2 the title of Michael name doesnt mean "I am God" it is "who is like God" get it right,terrible exegesis Jesus is not Michael and he is clearly Jehovah
@@ThePreacherman9 No he isn't Jehovah. Col 1:15 πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως. = Firstborn of all creation. Adhering to koine greek grammar that's a partitive genitive. As someone who has read the LXX Septuagint, firstborn is never used as a genitive of subordination in the greek text ever. Deu 6:4 Shema Yisrael, Yahweh eloheinu Yahweh echad. Jehovah is one. And no echad is not a compound unity, that would be yachad. And no Gen 2:24 the marriage covenant (basar echad) doesn't prove that echad is compound unity, it's merely a union of 'singular' purpose, like the diciples with Jesus and the father in John 17:21 or John 10:30. John 1:1 or John 8:58 is childs play to dismantle also, but I'll cut it short.
@@maciiol2 Everything you just said is foolish I'm glad you bring up the koine a Greek I myself study the Greek and clearly the word for firstborn is prototokos meaning first in rank to bring forth,this is not speaking about him being created but rather him being before all things,the word firstborn is used for both Israel in exodus and David in psalms,neither Israel or David were a firstborn,but from Ana ancient near eastern Jewish concept the first child gets the inheritance.As echad being a compound unity IT IS,I study the Hebrew and yachad was used by rambam the most famous Jewish sage to actually twist because he knew yachad meant one in value while echad always means compound unity,don't act as if your talking to some random youtuber who doesnt know anything repent for your lies you snake!!!!!
Simplicity and truth is in the meaning of words and names... The name Michael means: "He who is like unto God" Thank you for sharing your truth, prayers and testimony. Always with love, light and gratitude. ~ Michael ~
I understand from the scriptures that that Isaiah 9:6 when all of Jesus’s names are given, if God wanted Jesus to be Micheal the arch angel it would have been stated. At NO time dies the scripture say that Jesus is Michael. This is man making a conclusion as usual. There are many times in which the scriptures could say Michael is Jesus, but it is not there. Also in Daniel10:12 states that Micheal is ONE of THE CHIEF PRINCES, not THE CHIEF PRINCE. please stop assuming, because those scriptures DO NOT show Jesus is Micheal the archangel.
But Daniel 12.1-2 says he Michael is the GREAT Prince, the other angels also are Princes cause all of them are Son of the King of the universe....there are more than 40 verses that keep the idea of Jesus been the most powerful angelical son of God.
Do you think the word of God(bible) is a book written for the carnal mind. If you think you can understand the bible my merely reading without the guidelines from the holy Spirit. You're a bigger fool. Read the scripture How many times were Jesus Christ referral to in the bible. Was Jesus called the Prince of Peace, Emmanuel, God Almighty, Read the Psalm Another title given to Jesus is Mighty God in battle(warriors) Jesus is first in everything The firstborn of every creation. God over gods Prince of princes King of kings Mighty warrior over other warrior Etc
In Thesolanians it mentions when Jesus Christ is coming for the second time he shouts, it means he commands the arch angel, and then that arch angel obeying God's command raises it's voice and the dead shall raise, it is only capable when God permits it, but not by itself. But Jesus Christ needs no permission for he is GOD himself. You are interpreting the scriptures wrong.
But what you are saying is not what is written. You can't say, what isn't written. It simply says that the Lord comes with the voice of an archangel, and anyone who hears Him should come back to life. Nowhere does it say that Michael represents Jesus. Noone can rise the dead except God. In fact let's just understand the verse as it is. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 [16]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
The archangel. The canon bible only has one. The chief, so one. There can’t be two sons of God who are above all angels. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 links Michael and Jesus
@@stophatin1354 none of those mean that Jesus is Almighty God. John 1 is interpreted properly when you understand that the Greek conveys a different idea than what’s in the King James. In the Greek, the word “god” is used differently in the case of Jesus than the “God” that Jesus was with, his Father. Confirming this, is verse 18 of the same chapter. “18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” If John truly meant that Jesus is The Almighty God, why did he also say that no man has seen God at ANY TIME? That would be a false statement if Jesus was God. Every time you see Jesus, which John did, he would be seeing God. No the kind of “god” Jesus is in John 1:1 is one without the definite article, which assumes not an identifier, but a quality. Jesus was with God. He cannot be God and with God at the same time. That’s illogical. Jesus was “god” in quality, an adjective. In other words, he is divine. This exists in English as well. If I said “he is the man” I’m identifying a person. If I said “he is man” then I’m describing what he is, namely that he is human. This is why many bibles translate this passage differently, some say “the word was divine”, others “the word was a god” and others “and a godlike kind was the word.” Essentially this verse is telling is Jesus is divine, which is still the case from the standpoint of a powerful angel. This is not the first time that the Bible calls angels “gods”. Jesus is a god, in the divine sense. He is not The Almighty God Jehovah. And simply put Jesus was dependent on and subservient to the Father. That means he’s not omnipotent, therefore not Almighty, therefore not God. Only the Father is the only True God (John 17:3)
Disagree. A plain reading of the Bible does not leave anyone believing that Jesus Christ is an Archangel. Why does this topic even need a Bible study? Is it a salvation issue?
The whole Bible is subject to study, unless you only want to follow what a particular church teaches without reference to the Bible. Also, the subject of the whole Holy Bible is Judgment and Salvation.
@@igregmart ok, then study the Bible, you won't find Jesus refered to as Michael the Archangel. This is deception, an invention, that must be additionally taught to propagate.
Jesus is Michael! Before Jehovah raise him from the grave, Acts, 5: 28-31, Jehovah already made him a chiefprince, Psalm 110:1-2, , Jesus , instructs his Apostles to preach about him without using parables, @ Mat, 10:26-28, after revealing to them the secrets in heaven, that is why they did'nt hesitates to preach that Jehovah the God of our forefather raise him from the grave, Acts, 5:28-31 /Deut, 32:39 /1st, Sam, 2:6-7 / 2nd, Kings, 5:7,,
But Daniel 12.1-2 says he Michael is the GREAT Prince, the other angels also are Princes cause all of them are Son of the King of the universe Jehovah....there are more than 40 verses that keep the idea of Jesus been the most powerful angelical son of God...in your bible when you want I can show all of them
In my daily texts for today I was worried I found a proof text for what you believe Exodus 23:20-22 KJV - Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries. But I was relieved when I realized angel means messenger, then asked who did all these things after moses. It was Joshua! Which transliterated into English is Jesus! 🙌 God's name was literally in him. God is so good.
When Daniel prayed. An angel was sent to deliver a message to Daniel right? The powers of darkness withstood tis angels until the king came to their rescue. There are different categories of angels. A messenger angel is not a warrior angel. The angel sent to deliver the message was not a forever warrior. angel
I love how you showed both in action doing the same things! I wish you would have added verse 2 of Daniel 12 because it is a direct connection of 1Thess 4:16-17 also, Matt 27:50-53
everyone in here talking about this is “truth” Jehovah Rapha please bless these ppl with spiritual eyes & spiritual ears he is deceiving these ppl w false doctrine and Jehovah Witness teachings that aren’t biblical. Amen! Yeshua is King!
Amen, my beloved sister! We reject these spirits of Ba’al and give glory to Yehovah Elohim, El Elyon - The God Most High. We know when Yeshua comes LEADING the angels, not as an Angel, those false teachers will drop to their knees and their tongues will confess that Yeshua Ha Melek - Yeshua is the King!!!
@@psalmspeaks9826 when Jesus was in the desert and Satan said to do a act of worship to him and I will give you all my kingdoms of the earth Jesus said it is written it’s Jehovah your God you must worship him alone Jesus didn’t it say it is me you must worship you know what I mean?
@@psalmspeaks9826 Daniel 12: During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. 2 And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt John 5: 28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. Only Jesus is going to resurrected the dead if Jesus is not Michael why is Daniel mentioned Michael raising the dead?
You can admit michael is Jesus but not that Jehovah is God Almighty, (Exodus 6:3, Plsams 83:18, John 17:3 come to know Jesus Christ. And the Only true God, to gain everlasting life. Jehovah s People Are the ones who predicted this smh...... Jesus was Given authority to rule the angels in 1st Peter 3:22.. And Jehovah will reveal himself, and magnify himself, too all nations (Ezikiel 38:23) Then all will know his NAME
Jehovah is one of God name. Just like Yahweh, elohim alpha and Omega, beginning and the end, Jehovah,God,iam that iam, lion of Judah,lamb,jah, bondie, jesúchrist They just different name of God and how to say his name in different languages.
Well according to the Bible as you said in Jude chapter 1 verse nine Michael the Archangel cannot judge Jesus Christ can. Furthermore, Michael does not hold the titles of king of kings and Lord of lords Jesus stars so that means he’s above all the angels including Michael himself. Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, whom they claim was God’s first creation and the highest of all the “spirit creatures,” or angelic beings. To argue for this teaching, they point to 1 Thessalonians 4:16, which says: Archangel Michael carrying a cross “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.” While it is not immediately apparent to most readers how this verse could mean that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, their argument from this passage goes something like this: Jesus’ voice is the voice of an archangel Jesus, therefore, is an archangel Michael is the only archangel Therefore, Jesus is Michael Each of these points has inherent flaws worth addressing. The voice of an archangel? First, the most obvious reading is not necessarily that the “voice of an archangel” is Jesus’ own voice. It is merely one of several sounds said to accompany Jesus’ second coming. That a trumpet blowing and a voice crying out mark Jesus’ decent sounds more like the approach of a king who is being announced by a herald. The fact that Jesus is King is not in dispute. Even Jehovah’s Witnesses accept this. For a King to be coming with an archangel serving Him as His herald and for that King to be further announced by the blast of the “trumpet of God,” however, would seem to make Jesus someone much greater than Michael. Meaning and metaphor Secondly, even if we accept that the “voice of an archangel” is meant to describe Jesus’ own voice, that would be a weird way of saying that Jesus is an archangel. If I were describing a man coming to greet me, I would not say that he “called out to me with the voice of a human being.” That would be awkward and entirely unhelpful. I might say that “his voice was that of a lion,” and you would get that he was speaking loudly, powerfully, boldly, perhaps even angrily. I might say that “he spoke with the voice of a nightingale,” and you would grasp that his voice was pleasant and his greeting was sweet to the ear. In neither of these examples, however, would you think that I was saying that the man literally was a lion or a nightingale. Such statements are clearly metaphors. I would not bother saying that a lion has the voice of a lion because that is obvious and useless. I would not say that a nightingale has the voice of a nightingale because that doesn’t say anything. Even if Paul was saying that Jesus will personally shout “with the voice of an archangel,” such a statement could only be a metaphor. Plus, think about what happens if you apply the Jehovah’s Witness logic consistently in this verse. If Jesus must be an archangel because His voice is the voice of an archangel, then He also must be God because His trumpet blast is the trumpet blast of God. Obviously, no Jehovah’s Witness would accept this logic as applied to the latter point, so why should they think it valid in the former? There is simply no logical way to read this passage as actually calling Jesus an archangel. Is Micheal the only archangel? Thirdly, it is a big leap to get from “an archangel” to “Michael the Archangel.” Jehovah’s Witnesses try to bridge this gap by claiming that Michael is the only archangel. The case for this is rather weak, however. Many major English translations indeed render 1 Thessalonians 4:16 as reading “the voice of THE archangel” rather than “the voice of AN archangel.” In Greek, however, there is no article here, which is why even the Jehovah’s Witness’s “New World Translation” goes with “an archangel” here. Trustworthy translations like the ESV and NKJV also use “an archangel,” and others like the NASB put “the” in italics so that it is clear to the reader that the word is not in Greek. 1 Thessalonians itself gives us no reason to think that there is only one archangel. Jehovah’s Witnesses, therefore, turn elsewhere to try and prove this point, claiming: “God’s word refers to Michael ‘the archangel.’ (Jude 9) This term means ‘chief angel.’ Notice that Michael is called the archangel. This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term ‘archangel’ occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural,” (What Does the Bible Really Teach, pg. 218). This is rather horrific logic, and I honestly can’t believe they even published it. Let’s try applying this same argument to another biblical figure: “God’s word refers to Alexander “the coppersmith.” (2 Timothy 4:14) Notice that Alexander is called the coppersmith. This suggests that there is only one such tradesman. In fact, the term ‘coppersmith’ occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural.” You could write the same paragraph about “Simon the Zealot” (Luke 6:15, Acts 1:13) and a host of others, and the conclusion is just as laughable. So, too, with “Michael the Archangel.” The argument is absurd. Simon being designated “the zealot” obviously was not meant to deny the existence of other zealots. Calling Alexander “the coppersmith” does not negate the obvious fact that there were many other coppersmiths. Labeling Michael “the archangel” has nothing to do with the number of archangels that exist. Daniel 10:13 calls Michael “one of the chief princes,” clearly indicating that there are other angels of his rank. In the ancient world, people often had descriptors attached to their names. Thus, in addition to “Simon the Zealot,” we also see names like “Simon the Leper” (Matthew 26:6), “Simon the Tanner” (Acts 10:32), and “Simon, who was called Peter” (Matthew 4:18). This was a normal convention for referring to people by name, and Michael was no exception. There is no reason to think that Michael is the only archangel.
Is Jesus Michael the Archangel? Fourthly and finally, since all of the premises of the Jehovah’s Witness’s argument are wrong, there is no basis for their conclusion. The reality is that Jesus is not a created being, not even the most exalted created being. Rather: “All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being,” (John 1:3). and: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Your hands; They will perish, but You remain, And they all will become old like a garment, And like a mantle You will roll them up; Like a garment they will also be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end,” (Hebrews 1:10-12). No, Jesus is not Michael the Archangel. Jesus is Michael’s Lord and Maker. This is why an archangel will be Jesus’ herald and why the trumpet of God announces His coming. Jesus is the King of all creation because Jesus is the Creator. Jesus is Jehovah God. Jesus and Michael the Archangel are not the same. Jesus is God in flesh, but Michael the Archangel is an angel which is a created being. Furthermore, there’s a problem with the idea of an archangel becoming a human being. An archangel has certain characteristics consistent with being an angel. By definition, an angel is not a human being. So is not possible for an angel to become a human being because the attributes and nature of each are different. It would mean that the archangel Michael stopped existing as the archangel Michael. The essence of the mind and heart of an angel is tied to the nature of that angel. If that angel ceases to exist, the mind and the heart ceased to exist. So an angel cannot become a man. Now some may then ask how can God become flesh. The truth is that the Word became flesh (John 1:1, 14). In other words, the single person of Jesus has two distinct natures the divine (Word) and the human. Jesus has two distinct natures (Col. 2:9). So, the divine nature never ceased being the divine nature. It continues in the person of Christ alongside human nature. We call this the hypostatic union and it is the correct teaching of who Christ is. Nevertheless, let’s get back to the topic of whether or not Jesus and Michael the Archangel are the same. Daniel 10:13, ““But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia.” Jude 9, “But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.” In Jude 9 Michael would not pronounce judgment against the devil. Instead, he said, “the Lord rebuke you.” If Michael and Jesus were the same, and Jesus is God in flesh, then Michael would have had the authority to rebuke the devil. But, since Michael deferred to the Lord, Michael is not the Lord. Instead, Michael is an Archangel, a created being.
If all premises all JWs are wrong how is possible that using any bible translations the JWs can prove the Angel of the Lord of the OT (Exodus 23:20) that later was revealed to be Michael the great Prince that will bring a great tribulation and resurrect people as Daniel 12:1-2 and how Malachi 3:1-2 God foretold he will send the Angel of the covenant (Michael) why that one is not Jesus? IF Michael is Son of God ..and God sent his son (John 3:16) why wasnt Michael the one God almighty sent to earth?
The Bible doesn’t contradict itself read hebrews 1:5 and then meditate on this Col 2:18,19 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. Father please forgive men for they know not what they do. Understand where their heart is and help them to not only worship you in spirit but in truth. And help all the ones who know you father to be as Paul in 1 cor 9:25 to be choosing our strikes to not be beating the air. May all who draw close to you continue to draw them in. The ones who watch this video hunger for truth Lord, please bless them with what they seek. If not them asking for it may I ask for it on their behalf. In the name of Jesus Christ our lord and savior and king. Amen
We should NOT say that God expresses Himself as three (3) distinct persons, but rather that God is the Father, Who has always had eternal His Word/Son & His eternal Spirit. 1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live. God is the Father, the only uncaused cause & source of all sources & FountainHead of the Trinity, so He is generally nominally called 'God'. The Word/Son & Spirit are eternally generated of the Father & fully possess the Father's essence/nature/substance/ousia, so are rightfully predicated 'God' as the Father. We can say: The Father is God The Son is God, & The Spirit is God. But God is the Father.
I still question the trinity but you at least convey the original understanding of the trinity, where the Monarchy of the Father was still respected and understood. Everything comes from the un-begotten, the Arche, , the one true God, THE FATHER. This understanding has basically been forgotten especially in the west where the one true God is a substance and the Father is just a mere member of that substance.
@@theuncreatedlight4717 Yeah, I just discovered the Monarchy of the Father in Dec 2023, so I've been aggressively studying & debating it, looking for weaknesses. Most people that I encounter (Trinitarians & non-Trinitarians) have never heard of it.
I've been blessed to have spent time with Jesus and Michael, so I can tell you straight forward that they are NOT the same, Jesus is God the Son the Word of God, and Michael is one of multiple if not many princes, and Michael is one of four throne angels that are Cherubim (and archangels), but there is only ONE Jesus! Michael was created, Jesus Christ has always existed.
@@JosephSmith-ph4xr The fact that Jesus was crucified does not mean that God died. God is spirit. The price Jesus had to pay for our sins was _physical_ death, not spiritual. That's why scripture says that the sacrifice consisted of a "body": "Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but *a BODY you prepared for me."* (Hebrews 10:5) "But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s *PHYSICAL BODY* through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation" (Colossians 1:22) "He was *put to death in the BODY* but made alive by the Spirit." (1 Peter 3:18) Furthermore, according to Hebrews 7:16 Jesus was made high priest not due to ancestry (which is based on physical heredity) but "on basis of the power of an *INDESTRUCTIBLE LIFE."*
Thank you for your video, which is the truth. Michael is Jesus Christ. Those who do not acknowledge this truth need to humble themselves and go back and study the bible. There's alot of misinformation out there. True believers will find the truth because the spirit of truth will reveal it to them.
In Daniel 10:13 it says that Michael is one of the princes. So that verse alone destroy the position that Jesus is Michael the arcangel because there's more than one prices and Jesus cant be all the princes. Hebrew chapter 1 says that the Son of God is worship by angel so Jesus cant be an angel because angels cant worship another angel.
You nailed it bro. Both great places to destroy this ridiculous false teaching. Either way, we can show them whatsoever comes from Charles (founder) or the Watchtower should not be trusted because of all their false prophecies violating Deuteronomy 18:20-22 test of a false prophet ⬇️ 1. 1897: Founder Charles Russell predicts that Jesus has been returned on earth since 1874 (Studies in the Scriptures volume 4, p.621) 2. 1897-1899: Founder Charles Russell predicts that earth’s government being completely overthrown and replaced with God’s kingdom in 1914 (The Time is At Hand, 1908 edition, p.101) 3. 1916: Claim that Christ’s millennial reign began in 1873 (The Time is At Hand, 1916 edition, p. ii) 4. 1922: Cover up from failed 1914 prophecy claiming God’s kingdom will be established in 1925 now. “All members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year.” (Watchtower, Jan 1, 1925. p.3) 5. 1941: Claim that only months are left before Armageddon happens (Watchtower, Sep 5, 1941, p.288) 6. 1968: After many failed propheciand large numbers of members leaving the JW org, the leadership admits to a poor history of failed prophecy (Awake!,Oct 8, 1968 7. In 1968, they then began to imply 1975 will be the date to begin Christ’s millennial reign. (Watchtower, Aug 15, 1968. p.494)
Princes: One of the 70 sons of God described in the tower of Babel. Michael is the prince of Israel as Jesus is also. The prince of persia in Daniel refers to the son of God or prince ruling persia. Angel worship: When Michael comes to Daniel he worships him signifying that this is no normal angel.
@@calebgrant6607 Jesus is called the King of Israel. Not the prince of Israel. Kings and princes aren’t the same. Jesus is the King of Kings and the Prince of Peace.
Hebrews 1 “....And let all the angels of God worship Him (Jesus)....” So, if Yeshua is an angel, is He worshiping Himself? 🤔 What a silly claim. Makes sense that the idea of this came from the false prophet and founder of Jehovah’s witnesses, Charles Taze Russell.
Revelation 12:7 [7]And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Michael and his Angels? (His Angels) that is either posessive statement or its is saying Micheal is above the Angels
There have been those who have attempted to equate Michael the archangel with Jesus - that they are the same person. Some feel that Michael is Jesus Christ appearing in a temporary form, such as Christ did as the angel of the LORD. Different View Than Watchtower This is different than the view of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the Jehovah's Witnesses. They believe that Christ is a created being who was Michael the archangel in the Old Testament - a view totally incompatible with what the Bible says about Jesus. Case For Michael Being Jesus The arguments for Michael's identification as being the Pre-incarnate Christ are as follows: Michael Is The Chief Prince And Protector Michael is called the chief prince of God's people. He is also called the protector of the people Israel. The Bible teaches that the Lord is the one who protects Israel. My help comes from the LORD, Who made heaven and earth. He will not allow your foot to slip; He who keeps you will not slumber. Behold, He who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep (Psalm 121:2-4). The argument goes like this: If the LORD protects Israel, and Michael is the one who is called the protector of the people, then Michael must be the LORD who is protecting the people. The Coming Of Christ The Bible says that when Christ returns, He will come with the voice, or cry of command, of the archangel. For the Lord Himself, with a cry of command, with the archangel's call and with the sound of God's trumpet, will descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first (1 Thessalonians 4:16). Since Christ comes with the voice of the archangel, the argument goes that He must be that archangel. The only archangel named in Scripture is Michael. Response The biblical evidence does not substantiate this. The fact that Michael is called a chief prince only means that he has authority over other angels- not over everything that exists. In addition, Jesus is never called the chief prince in Scripture. On the contrary He is the king of kings and Lord of Lords. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS" (Revelation 19:16). Though Michael has protected Israel, it is as God's representative. It is ultimately the Lord, not Michael, who is protecting His chosen people. Voice Like The fact that Christ comes with the voice, or cry of command, like an archangel does not mean that He is one. The voice He uses will be "like" or "as" that of an archangel. In other words, a powerful voice. One Of The Chief Princes In addition, Michael is called one of the chief princes. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia (Daniel 10:13). This means that he is one of a group of princes. We do not know how large the group is, but he is not in a class by himself. The Bible says that Jesus is the unique Son of God. No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made Him known (John 1:18). Michael Highest Of Angels Michael is the highest of the angels - an order of created beings. He is one of the angels, he is not the Creator of the angels as the Bible says that Jesus is. for by Him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers - all things have been created through Him and for Him (Colossians 1:16). Jude There is a further problem with the identification of Jesus with Michael. The Book of Jude says: But when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 9). Michael is obviously not the Lord. He could not rebuke the Devil on his own, but rather called upon the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus has no such problem with the Devil - He personally rebuked him, since He is the Lord. Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " Then the Devil left Him, and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him (Matthew 4:10,11). His Name Bears Testimony Michael, the one who is closest in proximity to the Lord at the top of the angelic creation, bears testimony to the great gap between the Creator and the created. His name means, "who is like God?" The answer, of course, is no one. The closer one gets to God, the more they realize their own nothingness and His greatness. Neither Michael, nor any of the angels, is like God. Summary There is no biblical evidence to equate Michael the archangel with Jesus. To the contrary, Jesus and Michael are two different personages. Michael is the highest of the angels - an order of created beings while Jesus is the uncreated Second Person of the Trinity, God the Son. Is Jesus actually Michael the archangel? No. Jesus is not an angel. The Bible clearly describes Jesus as the Son of God, the Son of Man, and our Savior. Michael is the only angel described in the Bible as an "archangel" (Jude 1:9), but he is not God and doesn't hold a divine status as Jesus does. The difference between Jesus and Michael is best noted in Mathew 4:10 where Jesus rebukes Satan, and in Jude 1:9 where Michael "contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, 'The Lord rebuke you.'" See the difference in authority? Jesus is God in the flesh (John 1:1, 14) and is worthy of worship. No angel is ever worthy of worship. Hebrews 1 clearly and directly sets Jesus apart from all angels. There, Scripture describes Jesus as God's only Son, exhibiting God like no other and completing work that no other being could complete. "[Jesus] is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say, 'You are my Son, today I have begotten you'? Or again, 'I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son'? And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let all God's angels worship him'" (Hebrews 1:3-6). "Of the angels he says, 'He makes his angels winds, and his ministers a flame of fire.' But of the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions'" (Hebrews 1:7-9). Though angels are sometimes called sons of God (Genesis 6:2-4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7), Jesus is clearly and repeatedly divine, and called THE Son of God (Hebrews 1:8; Matthew 4:3-6). Jesus and Michael the archangel are absolutely different.
If all premises all JWs are wrong how is possible that using any bible translations the JWs can prove the Angel of the Lord of the OT (Exodus 23:20) that later was revealed to be Michael the great Prince that will bring a great tribulation and resurrect people as Daniel 12:1-2 and how Malachi 3:1-2 God foretold he will send the Angel of the covenant (Michael) why that one is not Jesus? IF Michael is Son of God ..and God sent his son (John 3:16) why wasnt Michael the one God almighty sent to earth?
You use the Bible to support what you say to believe but then you use words like "the uncreated 2nd member of a trinity" and "God the Son",... Non biblical words and phrases.
The Bible says and that scripture that he shouts with the voice of the archangel now that the archangel shout and the dead rise so the archangel if it is not Jesus does not say anything rather it is Michael the archangel which is just another name for Jesus is the one who shouts and the dead are raised since only Jesus can raise the dead only God can raise the Dead
@@Bunni504Arch. Ruler of angels. Michael is called the Great Prince. The word of God is not for the carnal mind. You need the holy spirit to discern the word of God. Wasn't Abram changed to Abraham? Wasn't sarai changed to sarah? Wasn't Jacob the same as Isreal. What is Jesus heavenly name? The bible is a mystery book which is beyond human understanding. Wasn't Jesus called the Prince of Peace.
Sorry, brother. Read Zion Watchtower, 1879, November issue, where your fearless leader, Russell, said Jesus is NOT Michael. There is so much flip-flopping with you guys.
*AND NOW FOR THE REBUTTAL* I listened carefully to the "detective work" provided in this video but instead of seeing the Bible "speaking for itself" I see is a man speaking for the Bible. In order to do that you jump around "making a connection" between verses in such a way as to tell the story that the Watchtower teaches. You start of by saying that Michael is a prince and that Jesus is also a prince - something you prove with scripture. No problem. And then you then admit that it could be possible for Jesus and Michael to be princes without being the same person. I'm glad you admitted that, but then you _totally_ abandon that line of thinking, saying that since Michael the archangel is the "head of the angels" and Jesus is also the "head of the angels" then Michael must therefore be Jesus. But your own analogy about the president being the "head of the military" actually betrays you. Obviously _both_ the president _and_ a five start general can be regarded as the "head of the military" without them being the same person. What we see in the book of Daniel is that there is a heirarchy of command involved. Michael is "ONE of the princes" (Daniel 10:13), Jesus is not "one" of _anything._ He is King of Kings, Lord of Lord, and even "Prince of Princes" (Daniel 8:25). Michael on the other hand is prince over a limited geographical area - Isreal, which is the key to understanding why Michael will be the central figure accompanying Jesus on the Day of the Lord without anything in scripture indicating that he plays any significant role before that. Why if Michael is Jesus, is there nothing mentioned about Jesus primary accomplishment - to save all mankind. Daniel only places Michael at the second coming of Jesus: "At _THAT_ time Michael, the great prince who protects *your people,* will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people-everyone whose name is found written in the book-will be delivered." (Daniel 12:1) Not only does Michael do that, Paul's _ONLY_ mention of Daniel is during the end times: "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, *with the voice of the archangel* and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first." (1 Thessalonians 4:16) This verse is not saying that Jesus will be "speaking" with the voice of an archangel, it is saying that when he returns he will coming "WITH" these things, or on other words, accompanied by them. He is obviously referring to what the gospel of Matthew tells us - that Jesus return will be heralded with angels and a the sound of a trumpet: "Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And *he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call,* and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other." (Matthew 24:30-31) So there is absolutely no reason to turn Jesus into an angel - unless one has a predefined agenda to do so.
Michael is "ONE of the princes" (Daniel 10:13), a prove that all angels are sons of God...and Daniel 12:1-2 call michael the GREAT PRINCE which means he is the most imporrtant one...besides ther are more than 40 verses in your bible that proves Jesus been the most powerful Angel Michael....I can showe you all of those verses forbidden for you to read
@@moisesbeyond I take it you didn't read the rebuttal I wrote in the comments section about a year ago. Since I often save some of my comments to my hard drive here is a response to this issue I made elsewhere. Please read it carefully. The evidence that the Watchtower presents to prove that Jesus and Michael are one and the same individual is based on a form of hermaneutics that I call "join-the-dots" theology. This is where you _start off_ with a story and then arbitrarily string verses together in order to support that story - regardless of whether or not it causes problems elsewhere in scripture. For example, Jesus _created_ the angels. So how could he _possibly_ be one of them? Jesus is also _superior_ to the angels. How could he possibly be superior to something he himself is? The argument they use usually goes something like this: Matthew 24:31 says that Jesus will send "his angels", and Revelation 12:7 refers to Michael and "his angels". To them, the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that Jesus and Michael are one and the same. The problem with drawing a conclusion like that is that using the same logic I could prove that Jesus is God: "If *God* places no trust in his servants, if he charges *his angels* with error..." (Job 4:18) Another problem is that the enormous diffences between Michael and Jesus are totally ignored for the sake of putting all focus on a common phrase between two verses. And while these verses may indicate a similarity in authority, even in that respect the argument fails miserably as I will point out.
If we read Daniel 10 we get a little insight into how things operate behind the scenes in the spirit world. We see that different angelic beings, referred to as "princes", are in engage with each other in different geographical regions. Michael is referred to here as "ONE of the chief princes" (Daniel 10:13). In that context, Jesus is _never_ referred to as one of anything. He is king of kings, Lord or Lords, and interestingly enough, "Prince of Princes" (Daniel 8:25). They clearly places him way _above_ Michael in respect to authority. The key to understanding where Michael fits into the big picture is to see in what capacity and scope he serves God. Is he the savior of all mankind? No he isn't. What Daniel is told about Michael is that he is "the great prince who protects *your people"* (Daniel 12:1), which means that "Michael and his angels" are those who are deployed in and around the nation of Israel. This is important, because the fact that Michael plays a protective role in Isreal explains why he is ONLY mentioned at the end of time when Israel is attacked by an alliance of nations. Don't you think that if Michael and Jesus are one and the same that Daniel would mention the fact that before appearing in the end times, he would bring salvation to the entire world? Instead he ONLY places Michael in the far distant future, with no mention of Michael playing any other significant role until that time: "At _THAT_ time Michael, the great prince who protects *your people,* will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at THAT TIME your people-everyone whose name is found written in the book-will be delivered." (Daniel 12:1) Notice that this all makes perfect sense if we just stick to what scripture tells us about Michael without trying to turn him into Jesus! Now, let's look at what Paul writes concering Michael: "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, *_WITH_* the voice of the archangel and *_WITH_* the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first." (1 Thessalonians 4:16) The Watchtower claims here that Jesus is "speaking" with the voice of the archangel, but that _isn't_ what the verse says at all. Paul is obviously referring to what Matthew wrote about Jesus second coming - that he would be _accompanied_ by angels and a loud trumpet call: "And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other." (Matthew 24:30-31) At long last Jesus comes in the form of a triumphal warrior and is HERALDED by the archangel, not replaced by him! Nowhere in any of Paul's epistles does he ever refer to Jesus as Michael. Instead, all throughout his writings he _always_ uses the name "Jesus" when speaking about Jesus (which he even does in 1 Thess no less than four times) ...and then in ONE verse we are supposed to believe that he all of a suddem decides to refer to him as Michael! This is obviously nothing more than a story that the Watchtower has made up in order to support their theology.
Michael is the word of God. Arch (in charge of the angels, leaders of the angels. The invisible and visible world were created by the word of God under the Command of God the supreme (Ancient of days)
Is there any way i can email you / a photo that may explain why Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians, Catholics, Muslims, and Jehovas witnesses all believe what they do when it comes to EL, EmannuEL (Jesus being “his new name”) and MichaEL ; and how the Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit all timelessly incarnated through the 7 flames of God that each bare a gift of the holy spirit, starting through MichaEL the archangel in genesis
IF he is a Prince ans Michael in Daniel 12:1-2 is called GREAT prince that means that Michael is greater than the prince of peace Jesus? or are just two similar titles to the same being?
Does 1 Th 4:15 say that it is the voice of Jesus or that he will come with the voice of an Archangel, that is, His arrival will be heralded by the voice of an Archangel ❓
I see no harm in Christians believing that Jesus and Michael are the same since we don't give reverence to the latter. It makes sense to me since it was mentionwed that Lucifer was the most gorgeous and highest form of angel that God created. If you were God, why not make your Archangel have those attributes? And in the old testament, clearly, you cannot name Jesus since He made His apperance in the New Testament. Knowing this truth made me cry because since the beginning of time, Jesus has been intervening for us, in a different form, though. I may be right or wrong, it will be validated at the time I resurrect at the end of time. Praise be to God. ❤
10:16 Jesus cannot be Michael because Michael would have to summit to the authority of Jesus instead of God; to bend the knee. Michael is the Angel of the Lord, not the Angel of Jesus. Furthermore, Michael would have to accept Christian doctrine and reject Judaism, eg. Jesus born of a virgin, or the Trinity (god, holy spirit and son) instead of Hear Israel, the Lord is one. Michael protects Israel; the People of Daniel, Judaism and not Christianity. The book of Daniel was written before the new testament.
Having god die for your sins makes you feel good about your self huh? You will pay for heinous crimes. That cross is insurance... Yeah right! Jesus is below God. Michael means He who is like God Hmm
@@ElParacletoPodcast if jesus is not Adam that's the biggest lie. Since the enemy hates the father of humanity. So many Christian's say jesus is not adam. Jesus has to be adam if he is not then its deceiving. Michael is the only archangel the highest chief of Angel's. In Islam all Angel's prostrated to adam out of respect but the devil refused because he thinks he's better than Adam because adam is made of clay. Adam is jesus the trinity does not make jesus God but jesus is nearest to God? The virgin mary story could be true because Islam supports this idea. God said be and it just is just as adam was made from god so jesus was put together in the likeness of adam. I guess this is my current take.
Anyone reading the Bible would never ever come up with this claim michael being Jesus. Wow, what people take out on context and try so hard to piece together is amazing to me. Well, when you see the Lord one day soon you can try and explain that to Him
Well, according to you, if someone has the same attributes that makes them the same person as the one with similar attributes. Then when Christ is called the creator as God is called the creator, that also means He is God (Father, Jehovah) right? What I find amusing is that you lean more on Christ being the archangel Michael even though there about 5 similarities between them. There's a lot of similarities between Christ and God (Father, Jehovah) but to those, you just say they have the same titles.
Your presentation is confusing! You ignore the Gospels! Jesus was tempted in the wilderness. He was human and divine. Angels are angels. And if Jesus was Michael, as an angel he wouldn’t have been vulnerable to the devil. Keep in mind as is taught, the decision to serve God or not amid the angels happened long before Jesus incarcerated. Also if you read the Gospel accounts of Jesus’ encounters with demons, they know him as Jesus or as the anointed one of God. If he was the angel Michael, they would have said so. Please refer to the Gospels. The Book of Daniel and or Ezekiel is about something different than what is spoken of in the Gospels. Also, if Jesus was to be Michael, then the Angel Gabriel would have said something to Mary at the Annunciation. And if so then his name would be Michael and not Jesus. You might have good intentions in your presentation. But this train of thought is confusing!
Problematic definetly.... when the Septuagint versus the Masoretic: Isaiah 9:6 LXX For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.
Interesting. The jehovah witness teach this as well the homoousions ( trintarians have a problem with the Jehovah wittness on this doctrine but the fact it is that it was taught among some early protestant groups. john calvin believed that Jesus could be michael. " Michael may mean an angel; but I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people". which is strange coming from Calvin since he was a homoousion. There was also Rabbi Philo of Judea, ‘identified the Logos with the archangel Michael.’ also an identification which is made in the Shepherd of Hermas. ... According to the early Christian writing Of The Threefold Fruits, Christ, as one of the seven archangels of God, was created ‘from fire’ and exalted to the status of ‘Son.’" I reject the homoousions view as it's non- bibical but as for Jesus as michael the Jehovah wittness are not the only ones here that believe that Jesus could be Michael.
I'm so sorry but you are very mistaken sir. You said that Jesus and Michael are the same but you are confusing us by saying Jesus is NOT an "angel." If Jesus is Michael, then he is an angel, or archangel. Angel means "messenger." If Jesus is not an angel, then it means he is NOT a messenger of Jehovah God!
Hebrews 1:5.... God's Word makes a clear distinction of angel and the Son of God. Also in Daniel 10 Daniel encounters Christ and Christ Mentions Michael intervening against the Prince of Persia (Satan ???) On behalf of Christ (like an armor bearer). Michael contended with satan with Moses body (Jude 1:9) and warred in Heaven (Rev 12:7) where Jesus said He saw satan fall like lightning (Luke 10:18). In Jude 1:9 Michael also said the Lord rebuke thee. 1 John 3:8 says Christ purposes on earth was to destroy the works of the devil.
If Jesus is Michael, why is Jesus worshipped? You do not worship angels. If Miachel is Jesus, then why does he not say "I rebuke you." to satan over the body of Moses? If Jesus is Michael, how will you judge Jesus? Do you not know we will judge angels? I believe if the truth is the truth, then the truth will not be afraid to be questioned by ANYONE. If it is the truth, the answers will be the same everytime no matter how much they are scrutinize. Not being able to question the governing body (which is not in the Bible by the way) is like you telling your mate you are not cheating on them, so you do not need to look at my cell phone for proof. I blame no Jehovah Witness for this. I blame the governing body. The governing body brainwash them and took away their right and ability to think on their own and to come to their own conclusion. Everyone and every organization should be able to be questioned by anyone concerning their faith.
Why did Joshua bow before the commander of the heavenly hosts. Why did he tell Joshua to remove his show for the land is holy. Who is the commander of the angels? Michael Who will rise at the end of time to redeem the children of God? Michael
The bible is not written by man. It is an inspiration by the holy Spirit. Do you think the word of God(bible) is like other books in the world. Even the angels cannot understand the ways of the Almighty. How then do you think humans should know everything.?
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Zechariah 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. Zechariah 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
Jesus was worshipped 10 times in the KJV New Testament ! All 4 gospel writers record Jesus being worshipped ! Jesus received that worship, and can’t be an angel . The NWT CHANGED every time Jesus was Worshipped…to obescience , an attempt to hide the fact that Jesus was worshipped !
τοϲουτω κριττων γενομενοϲ των αγγελων οϲω δι αφορωτερον πα ρ αυτουϲ κεκληρονο μηκεν ονομα. (please translate correctly, word for word the ancient Greek text, and then the whole chapter, and you will find the answer) Hebrews 1:4
You are trying but you're not there yet. Michael is Jesus but Michael is not an arch-angel. God created Himself, then God created The Son (Who is not Michael/Jesus), then God and The Son joined temporarily and became One and created Spirit. The reason for this is because only God can create. Michael/Jesus was not created until much later. Then God created the matrix simulation. There are three levels of simulation, heaven, the ghost/angel level, and the material universe. Heaven is it's own separate simulation while the ghost/angel level and the material universe are projected together. Michael is a Son of God, sent out from heaven to begin this universe. Michael and Spirit created the first angels in this universe. The angels then non-sexually reproduced. When an angel reproduces they can only produce lesser beings. Michael is the Master of angels. Michael was required to experience many angelic lives and then a primitive life before He could bond with God and have the ability to join and become One. When a being becomes One with God they still have separate forms but they have a mind bond. I cannot explain more of this. Michael was born as Jesus and as Jesus He lived a human life. As Jesus was growing the other Jews realized that Jesus was different and they knew of the legend of the messiah. The problem is that, because of the Roman invasion, the Jewish idea of the Messiah had changed into the idea of someone sent from God who would lead the Jews to victory over the Romans but Jesus did not come to start a war. Jesus told people, "My time has not yet come." The reason for this is because the bond to become One with God had not been established yet. Once the bond was completed Jesus was then ready to risk His earth life and challenge the Sanhedrin. Once Michael/Jesus was crucified He assumed His position at His headquarters in the ghost/angel level (There are many mansions in my Fathers house) and opened the path of ascendence. Before Michael had completed His bond with God the dead would go to sleep. Once the path had been opened the sleeping survivors awakened and ascended to the first universal training schools located in the ghost/angel level.
KJV-1611 1 John 4:15 1st Corinthians 6:17 John 17:14-26 --- John 1:14 As of Revelation 19:13 Revelation 12: 7 John 1:18. So I ask you. Who declared Who? -- John 12:44 & 8 :58 Exodus 3:14-15 - Luke 10:21-24 John 10:30 The Rose Among the thorns.
The word prince H8323 can also be leader, patron angel, head etc. and your logical is already flawed it’s a non sequitur, Jesus can be a prince, but not all princes are Jesus. I couldn’t get past 5 min cause it already obvious you can’t think without fallacies.
Are you equating God and Angels? Angels are created beings and Jesus is God as you said. He cannot then be an angel. Micheal does not raise the dead. Remember the war in heaven, Micheal fought and won, this means he is an standard of victory against lawlessness. So the voice of an arch angel being refered to is a *voice or a trumpet of victory* that will accompany Christ. Jesus has names which are not shared by Micheal. Micheal is a creature, Jesus is the Creator.they can never be one. Micheal an angel can never be the part of the Godhead. The war in heaven fought between Micheal and Devil, *it would violets the integrity and fundamentals of the Godhead which are righteousness and justice for a Creator to fight his Creature and claim victory. God did not fight with the devil but Micheal a creature and Lucifer a creature fought at their same level as creatures and the great dragon was defeated* Its like a father fighting his new born son and claim victory. There is no level playing ground for God to fight his own creature and celebrate the win. He is the Almighty God He is the creator He is the Alfa and the Omega He is the Son of God He is the redeemer He is the word that become flesh Hebrews says "which of the angels did God say you are my son? This clearly depicts therefore that an angel cannot be God, cannot be Jesus, cannot be a son of God.
This isn't confusing at all. The Bible says it that Jesus is Michael. It doesn't limit the power of Jesus. Michael the Archangel means the chief messenger who is like God. And no one can bear this name except Jesus Christ. He is the only one who can stand for his people. And also the Bible says Michael with his angels fought the dragon. The great controversy is between Jesus and Satan so in this context Michael represents Jesus Christ. This is so awesome
KJV And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. This trumps everything your saying because the angels gather the elect and the Bible also says the dead in Christ rise first which the angels go and gather so not just Michael can raise people from the dead
Bart Ehrman (New Testament Professor) “Galatians 4:14 Paul is not contrasting Christ to an angel; he is equating him to an angel. Garrett goes a step further and argues that Gal. 4:14 indicates that Paul “identifies [Jesus Christ] with God’s chief angel” -Bart Ehrman Blog Matthew Poole (nonconformist theologian, 17th Century) “Michael: this we take to be Christ.” -Commentary on Daniel 10:13 Matthew Henry (nonconformist minister 17th century) 1. “The seat of this war was in heaven; in the church of Christ, the kingdom of heaven on earth. The parties were Christ, the great Angel of the covenant, and his faithful followers; and Satan and his instruments” -Commentary on Rev. 12:7 2. “Michael signifies, Who is like God, and his name, with the title of the great Prince, points out the Divine Saviour. Christ stood for the children of our people in their stead as a sacrifice, bore the curse for them, to bear it from them” -Commentary on Daniel 12:1 Joseph Benson (Methodist scholar 18th Century) “The word Michael signifies, Who is like God? which name, with the title here given him, The great prince which standeth for the children of thy people, manifestly points out the Messiah” -Commentary on Dan 12:1 John Gill (Baptist minister, 17th century) “The Archangel, who has all the angels of heaven under him, and at his command, the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ” -Commentary on Daniel 12:1 Lutheran E. W. Hengstenberg (Lutheran, 19th Century) “Michael is no other than Christ." JP Lange (theologian, 19th Century) “We take it that Michael . . . is, from the outset, Christ in warlike array against Satan." -Commentary on Rev.12:7 Adam Clarke (Methodist Theologian, 18-19th Century) “The word Michael מיכאל, seems to be compounded of מי mi, who, כ ke, like, and אל El, God; he who is like God; hence by this personage, in the Apocalypse, many understand the Lord Jesus.” -Commentary on Jude 9 Geneva Study Bible (16th Century) 1. “Christ is the Prince of angels and head of the Church” -Commentary on Revelation 12:7 2. “The angel here notes two things: first that the Church will be in great affliction and trouble at Christ's coming, and next that God will send his angel to deliver it, whom he here calls Michael, meaning Christ, who is proclaimed by the preaching of the Gospel” -Commentary on Daniel 12:1 Calvin (Protestant reformer, 16th Century) “By Michael many agree in understanding Christ as the head of the Church.” -Commentary on Daniel 12:1 Pulpit Commentary “Michael is thus made to be symbolical of Christ” -Revelation 12:7 commentary Origen (3rd Century Church Father) 1. And, in the next place, since he considers that he makes a concession in saying of the Saviour, “Let him appear to be really an angel”, we reply that we do not accept of such a concession from Celsus; but we look to the work of Him who came to visit the whole human race in His word and teaching, as each one of His adherents was capable of receiving Him. And this was the work of one who, as the prophecy regarding Him said, **was not simply an angel, but the Angel of the great counsel:** 2. “There are certain creatures, rational and divine, which are called powers [spirit creatures, probably ANGELS]; AND OF THESE CHRIST WAS THE HIGHEST and best and is called not only the wisdom of God but also His power." - ANF 10:321-322 The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia “The EARLIER PROTESTANT SCHOLARS usually identified Michael with the preincarnate Christ, finding support for their view, not only in the juxtaposition of the "child" and the archangel in Rev 12, but also in the attributes ascribed to him in Daniel.” Jamieson-Brown commentary (19th century Presbyterian) “The description of this angel can agree to none but Christ” -commentary on Revelation 20:1 Shepherd of Hermas (2nd century writing, considered scripture by some early church fathers like Irenaeus) “this law is the Son of God, proclaimed to the ends of the earth; and the people who are under its shadow are they who have heard the proclamation, and have believed upon Him. And the great and glorious angel Michael is he who has authority over this people, and governs them; for this is he who gave them the law into the hearts of believers: he accordingly superintends them to whom he gave it, to see if they have kept the same”
Polycarp (AD 69-155) was the bishop at the church in Smyrna. Irenaeus tells us Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle. In his Letter to the Philippians he says, "Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and *the ETERNAL high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ,* build you up in faith and truth...and to us with you, and to all those under heaven *who will yet believe in OUR LORD AND GOD Jesus Christ* and in his Father who raised him from the dead." Ignatius (AD 50-117) was the bishop at the church in Antioch and *also a disciple of John the Apostle.* He wrote a series of letters to various churches on his way to Rome, where he was to be martyred. He writes, "Ignatius, who is also Theophorus, unto her which hath been blessed in greatness through the plentitude of God the Father; which hath been foreordained before the ages to be for ever unto abiding and unchangeable glory, united and elect in a true passion, by the will of the Father *and of JESUS CHRIST OUR GOD;* even unto the church which is in Ephesus [of Asia], worthy of all felicitation: abundant greeting in Christ Jesus and in blameless joy. Being as you are imitators of God, once you took on new life *THROUGH THE BLOOD OF GOD* you completed perfectly the task so natural to you. There is only one physician, who is both flesh and spirit, born and unborn, *God in man,* true life in death, both from Mary and from God, first subject to suffering and then beyond it, Jesus Christ our Lord. For *OUR GOD, JESUS THE CHRIST,* was conceived by Mary according to God’s plan, both from the seed of David and of the Holy Spirit. Consequently all magic and every kind of spell were dissolved, the ignorance so characteristic of wickedness vanished, and the ancient kingdom was abolished *when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life.* For *OUR GOD JESUS CHRIST* is more visible now that he is in the Father. *I glorify Jesus Christ, THE GOD WHO MADE YOU SO WISE,* for I observed that you are established in an unshakable faith, having been nailed, as it were, to the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ. Wait expectantly for the one who is above time: *the Eternal, the Invisible, who for our sake became visible; the Intangible, the Unsuffering, who for our sake suffered,* who for our sake endured in every way. Justin Martyr (AD 100-165) was an Christian apologist of the second century. And that Christ being Lord, *and GOD THE SON OF GOD,* and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom, has been demonstrated fully by what has been said. Permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in order to prove that *CHRIST IS CALLED BOTH GOD AND LORD OF HOSTS.* Therefore these words testify explicitly that He [Jesus] is witnessed to by Him [the Father] who established these things, as *DESERVING TO BE WORSHIPPED, AS GOD AND AS CHRIST.* The Father of the universe has *a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, IS EVEN GOD.* And of old He appeared in the shape of fire and in the likeness of an angel to Moses and to the other prophets; but now in the times of your reign, having, as we before said, become Man by a virgin.... For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that *He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God.* Melito of Sardis (died c. AD 180) was the bishop of the church in Sardis. He that hung up the earth in space was Himself hanged up; He that fixed the heavens was fixed with nails; He that bore up the earth was born up on a tree; the Lord of all was subjected to ignominy in a naked body- *GOD PUT TO DEATH!* ... In order that He might not be seen, the luminaries turned away, and the day became darkened- *because THEY SLEW GOD,* who hung naked on the tree.... This is He who made the heaven and the earth, and in the beginning, together with the Father, fashioned man; who was announced by means of the law and the prophets; who put on a bodily form in the Virgin; who was hanged upon the tree; who was buried in the earth; who rose from the place of the dead, and ascended to the height of heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father.
Continued... Irenaeus of Lyons (AD 130-202) was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, which is now Lyons, France. Irenaeus was born in Smyrna in Asia Minor, where he studied under bishop Polycarp, who in turn had been a disciple of John the Apostle. For I have shown from the Scriptures, that no one of the sons of Adam is as to everything, and absolutely, called God, or named Lord. But that *He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, GOD, AND LORD, AND KING ETERNAL, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth.* Now, the Scriptures would not have testified these things of Him, if, like others, He had been a mere man.... He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counselor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men;-all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him. He received testimony from all that He was very man, and that *HE WAS VERY GOD,* from the Father, from the Spirit, from angels, from the creation itself, from men, from apostate spirits and demons. *Christ Jesus [is] OUR LORD, AND GOD, and Savior, and King,* according to the will of the invisible Father. *Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the GOD OF THE LIVING,* who spoke to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers. Carefully, then, has the Holy Ghost pointed out, by what has been said, His birth from a virgin, and *His essence, that HE IS GOD* (for the name Emmanuel indicates this). And He shows that He is a man.... [W]e should not understand that He is a mere man only, nor, on the other hand, from the name Emmanuel, should suspect Him to be God without flesh. Clement of Alexandria (AD 150-215) was another early church father. He wrote around AD 200. He writes, This Word, then, the Christ, the cause of both our being at first (for He was in God) and of our well-being, this very Word has now appeared as man, *He alone being both, BOTH GOD AND MAN* -the Author of all blessings to us; by whom we, being taught to live well, are sent on our way to life eternal.... The Word, who in the beginning bestowed on us life as Creator when He formed us, taught us to live well when He appeared as our Teacher *that AS GOD He might afterwards conduct us to the life which never ends.* For it was not without divine care that so great a work was accomplished in so brief a space by the Lord, who, though despised as to appearance, was in reality adored, the expiator of sin, the Savior, the clement, *the Divine Word, He that is TRULY MOST MANIFEST DEITY, He that is made EQUAL TO THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE;* because He was His Son, and the Word was in God....
JW are definitely out to lunch but your logic is not sound on the comment that Michael is a created beings because angels are created beings. . Humans are also created beings and Jesus is a human
Hey, since I am a created being, I am Michael and I am Jesus. Am I not? Based on your JW logic I am. Therefore you should bow down and worship me. I have the true doctrine. I f you have the true doctrine, why do you need the govwrning body? Is Jehovah not perfect? Does he get it right the 1st time? If so, He does not need mankind and He does not change scriptures nor doctrines. So why do you even need the governing body? God can tell you what to do without the governing body.
I've known this for many years. That Jesus Christ and Michael are one and same person. It is also my understanding that Angel means messenger, so Archangel means chief messenger. Angel does NOT always mean one of the created beings called angels. Jesus is also the lamb of God, which does not mean Jesus is an actual sheep.
Proverbs 8:22-31) - (JESUS) talks about his own creation/Produced by God Almighty & Him being the First of Gods Works. (Colessians 1:15) jesus was the First born over all Creation... (Revelation 3:14) jesus was the Most Faithful Witness for God.
Total misrepresentation of the bible. Jesus isnt an angel! He is God of the flesh, he was never created so dont pretend he was. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. Your bible is a perversion, christians know people who are lost like you by your fruit. Jesus is a king and is called king of kings, michael is a prince. Jesus has a tatoo on his thigh that says king of kings michael cant have that bevause he isnt a king. The watchtower is by the devil. Johannas greber book was used to translate the nwt bible and he was a well know spirit medium. The watchtower even confirmed this in their msgazine. Youre so far from the truth may God open your eyes.
Why do you xtians say; let's have a word of prayer, for the spirit of God to descend upon us, but yet you xtians preach that you already have the holy spirit and that he is your teacher. My question is, if the hs is your teacher, why are you xtians still teaching each other? @michaelspeaksup
There is no such thing as "their" truth, because Truth is NOT subjective, but Objective, because it is the embodiment of the Creator of all things, namely Jesus Christ (John 14: 6)
Everyone finds their truth? is such a corrupted worldly view , truth has no sides it is absolute, one .Not subject to anyones interpretation it is God' s view on a matter full stop. Anytime we remove God from the definition and description we end up in confusion.
I saw this go by and will say this silly video isn’t worth one nickel penny of wasting any time of any True Born Again Follower of JESUS CHRIST . To think anyone would believe this is beyond me.
I"M SO SORRY FOR YOU , you seem so sincere but if you DO NOT know who JESUS is HOW CAN YOU BE SAVED JESUS WAS GOD IN HUMAN FLESH .! HE WAS NOT CREATED ! HE IS ETERNAL THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA ! ECUAL TO THE FATHER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT !
If Jesus is Micheal that would mean Jesus is created so that's wrong since Jesus is God in the flesh and michael means like God and angels are in god's likeness
Jesus is the son of God. Begotten The very spirit of God dwells in Jesus. Jesus is created Begotten. (Out of God). The fullness of Godhead dwells in jesus The fullness of God does not dwell in other creation, but only Jesus.
What was Michael doing for 33 years? Did he just manifest himself into the womb of Mary? Did he return to being Michael after Resurrection? Is Jesus then just an alias while on Earth?
Michael was with Jesus for 33 years Protecting him from the powers of darkness. He returned to being Michael. The body prepared for Michael is called Jesus Christ. So that he will destroy the powers of darkness in the form of human nature. Isn't Lucifer the beast Isn't Satan the dragon Who came with the power of satan. Beast. Study the book of revelation
Who received worship from Joshua? Isn't that the commander of the heavenly hosts. Do angels receive worship? No Who will rise at the end of time to redeem God's children (Israelites). Michael Whose voices raised the dead from the grave (1 Thessalonians) Michael Who destroyed the ancient serpent/dragons?.Revelation.Michael and his angel. Who led the Israelites out of Egypt?. God warned them to obey the voice of the angel who will not pardon any act of rebellion. He further told the Israelites that his name is upon this angel Bible is a mysterious book/word of God. It is not for the carnal mind to understand the ways of the Almighty
@@tedlee594 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19
Not exactly. We do reject the way that it is taught by the Catholic Church. We believe that Jesus is God. The Father is God, The Holy Spirit is God. Hope that answers your question.
Why? Who is Jesus in heaven other than Michael? (Revelation 12:7) And war broke out in heaven: Michael and HIS ANGELS 2 Thessalonians 1:7 .... at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with HIS POWERFUL ANGELS How many Leaders of God' faithful angels can there be? Think.
Lesson built very well. Precept upon precept. Thank you for this.
Wow I differently will chew on this information. I believe in having a open mind. 🙏 🤲
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits too see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
This includes testing the governing body.
The answer is simple: If Michael and Jesus were one and the same wouldn't Jesus Christ had revealed that to us? I believe so yes, he would have if it was true. And if the apostles were told that I believe we would have it in scripture. They lived with him for years and this is not a small detail they would have missed. It says nowhere that before his time on Earth Jesus was Michael the Archangel. I believe ONLY what Christ revealed to us through scripture, everything else is assumptions which create confusion.
Daniel 3:25 the Son of God verse 28 angel KJV
@@scottgrey2877 It does not say he was Jesus. Nebuchadnezzar says he looks like one of the son of the Gods, meaning angels in that context. Remember Nebuchadnezzar lived before Jesus's incarnation in flesh. Depending what Nebuchadnezzar beliefs were about angels, you cannot conclude anything from that verse. I maybe wrong but I would really believe it if Christ himself had said so during his lifetime on Earth. And I see no reason he wouldn't do so if it was indeed true.
@@newmercies1 an angel saves them redeems them Isaiah 63:9 KJV
@@newmercies1 But that reasoning then Jesus would have said clearly that He is God Almighty, but He never does, always said He was the Son of God
@@aknightwhosaysni2475 The problem with that argument is that there are _multiple_ reasons why Jesus could not possibly say that he was God.
Firstly, concerning contested and controversial issues Jesus made it plain that:
“If I testify about _myself,_ my testimony is not true. There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is true." (John 5:31-32)
The Father is the one who testifies about who Jesus is - something he does by way of the Holy Spirit.
And secondly, the time for Jesus to reveal his true identity had not yet come. Jesus came to the earth disguised as a human being. And what people who do not believe in Jesus fail to understand is that he did not do things in the way that _they_ thought he should do them. He was to reveal himself at a specific time in history. Notice for example how Jesus own brothers noticed Jesus secrecy and also that at that time they did not believe in him:
"No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world.” For *even his own brothers did not believe in him.*" (John 7:2-5)
And now take a look at Jesus' response:
"Therefore Jesus told them, *My time is not yet here; for you any time will do."* (John 7:6)
Your argument demonstrates the fact that you, just like Jesus brothers, assume that for Jesus to reveal his true identity "any time will do".
So what "time" was Jesus alluding to?
He actually tells us several times throughout the gospel.
You see it here:
"So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, THEN you will know that I AM, and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me." (John 8:28)
You see it here:
"As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, *"Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, *until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead."* (Matthew 17:9)"
And you see it here:
"Before long, *the world will not see me anymore,* but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. *On that day* you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you." (John 14:19-20)
And you see it here:
"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth." (John 16:13)
Jesus true identity was a mystery that was hidden from the dawn of time only to be revealed AFTER his death and resurrection.
So two questions need to be anwered:
1. Why couldn't Jesus identity be taught _before_ that time?
2. Why could it be taught _after_ he rose from the dead?
*The answer to question 1:* No one at that time could bear such a controversial truth. All you need to do is read John 6 from verse 60 and onward to see what would have happened. The mere fact that Jesus claimed to be the "bread of life" caused many of his disciples to abandon him. Several thousand people had followed Jesus around, even travelling over the sea of Galilee to hear his preaching. But that claim caused ALL of them to leave him.. except for the 12 disciples.
So what do you think would have happened if he claimed to be God hiself??? And that is exactly why he said the following:
"Does this offend you? Then what if you see the Son of Man *ascend to where he was before!"*
And where exactly was Jesus "before" his earthly ministry?
As I pointed out in a previous comment, and that you most likely ignored, he was enthroned in heaven as the God of Israel.
And when were they to see him ascend to where he was before? AFTER his death and resurrection.
But before that time no one was ready to bear a truth such as that:
"I have *much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.* But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”
What teaching was so controversial that it wasn't taught until after the Holy Spirit was poured out? Any ideas???
And when was the Spirit scheduled to come?
AFTER Jesus death and resurrection:
"But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." (John 16:7)
*The answer to question 2:* Why could the trinity be taught _after_ Jesus death and resurrection? What had changed that enabled his followers to believe in Jesus rather than reject him as they did in John 6? This is what happened:
"Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, *it produces many seeds."*
Only someone who is born again can receive the testimony of the Father about Jesus - that the Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being.
“having become so much better than the angels, to the extent that He has inherited a more excellent name than they. For to which of the angels did He ever say, “Y OU ARE M Y S ON, T ODAY I HAVE FATHERED Y OU ”? And again, “I WILL BE A F ATHER TO H IM A ND H E WILL BE A S ON TO M E ”? And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “A ND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP H IM.””
Hebrews 1:4-6
Archangel means "Chief Messenger. I hope that helps clear some confusion.
@@AsDaysofNoahTVIt actually means an angel of high rank.
There many arc angels @@AsDaysofNoahTV
@@Scripture-247...which is the exact same thing....
@@AsDaysofNoahTVthe term still includes said chief with said category - angel. If hebrews says he is above that then Jesus is not the arch angel. If Isaiah 9:6 days Jesus is everlasting father, mighty God- he cannot be an angel , he is something higher. Talking about attributes Isaiah 9 has attributes of God ….are angels everlasting father? Are angels the Mighty God? Jesus has attributes higher than angels.
Mathew 1 : 23
"The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son and they will call HIM IMMANUEL which means 'GOD WITH US'."
Michael means "who is like GOD"
They are not the same person. One is GOD and the other is like GOD.
But Jesus did say he's father is greater, if Jesus is the son of the King doesn't that make him a prince?
@@Episcopalianacolyte doesn't the bible reffer to Michael as prince of the angels? So the same substance as God you say?
@@davidmontes6652 note "Prince of Angels"...of angels...of angels. One more time...
Prince of angels.
St. Michael is not GOD'S son.
He isn't Prince of GOD.
@@Episcopalianacolyte can you be more blind? You see the bible tells us that in the end times the veils would be removed, but it doesn't tell us that people would accept what they are seeing. You are one of them, you have to be open to the idea that everything that we've been thought could be wrong. Only then you will understand the truth.
@@davidmontes6652 Mathew 1 : 23 and what Michael means. I already told you that. You are accepting the teaching of the governing board without thinking logically.
Thanks for a logical and unbiased explanation. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I agree. To those who disagree, Michael's inclusion as one of the chief princes does not exclude the possibility that he is the chief angel. For a comparison, during WW2 General Eisenhower was appointed supreme commander of Operation Overlord-the Allied invasion of northwestern Europe. His designation as supreme commander did not raise his rank above "General" but it did increase his authority. Similarly, Jesus, at 2 Thess. 1:7, comes "from heaven with his powerful angels" to do battle with "those who do not know God..." At Rev. 12:7, Michael leads the expulsion of the demons from heaven. At Rev.19, Jesus, the Word of God, leads the heavenly armies.
Bro it literally says no angel is like God yet Jesus is the exact image of the eternal God
@@ThePreacherman9Michael literally means "whom is like God", so that statement is clearly wrong.
@@maciiol2 the title of Michael name doesnt mean "I am God" it is "who is like God" get it right,terrible exegesis Jesus is not Michael and he is clearly Jehovah
@@ThePreacherman9 No he isn't Jehovah.
Col 1:15 πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως. = Firstborn of all creation.
Adhering to koine greek grammar that's a partitive genitive.
As someone who has read the LXX Septuagint, firstborn is never used as a genitive of subordination in the greek text ever.
Deu 6:4 Shema Yisrael, Yahweh eloheinu Yahweh echad. Jehovah is one. And no echad is not a compound unity, that would be yachad. And no Gen 2:24 the marriage covenant (basar echad) doesn't prove that echad is compound unity, it's merely a union of 'singular' purpose, like the diciples with Jesus and the father in John 17:21 or John 10:30.
John 1:1 or John 8:58 is childs play to dismantle also, but I'll cut it short.
@@maciiol2 Everything you just said is foolish I'm glad you bring up the koine a Greek I myself study the Greek and clearly the word for firstborn is prototokos meaning first in rank to bring forth,this is not speaking about him being created but rather him being before all things,the word firstborn is used for both Israel in exodus and David in psalms,neither Israel or David were a firstborn,but from Ana ancient near eastern Jewish concept the first child gets the inheritance.As echad being a compound unity IT IS,I study the Hebrew and yachad was used by rambam the most famous Jewish sage to actually twist because he knew yachad meant one in value while echad always means compound unity,don't act as if your talking to some random youtuber who doesnt know anything repent for your lies you snake!!!!!
Jesus is the Lord, so the book of Jude obviously defeats your false doctrine.
Simplicity and truth is in the meaning of words and names... The name Michael means: "He who is like unto God"
Thank you for sharing your truth, prayers and testimony.
Always with love, light and gratitude.
~ Michael ~
I understand from the scriptures that that Isaiah 9:6 when all of Jesus’s names are given, if God wanted Jesus to be Micheal the arch angel it would have been stated. At NO time dies the scripture say that Jesus is Michael. This is man making a conclusion as usual. There are many times in which the scriptures could say Michael is Jesus, but it is not there. Also in Daniel10:12 states that Micheal is ONE of THE CHIEF PRINCES, not THE CHIEF PRINCE. please stop assuming, because those scriptures DO NOT show Jesus is Micheal the archangel.
But Daniel 12.1-2 says he Michael is the GREAT Prince, the other angels also are Princes cause all of them are Son of the King of the universe....there are more than 40 verses that keep the idea of Jesus been the most powerful angelical son of God.
Do you think the word of God(bible) is a book written for the carnal mind.
If you think you can understand the bible my merely reading without the guidelines from the holy Spirit.
You're a bigger fool.
Read the scripture
How many times were Jesus Christ referral to in the bible.
Was Jesus called the Prince of Peace, Emmanuel, God Almighty,
Read the Psalm
Another title given to Jesus is Mighty God in battle(warriors)
Jesus is first in everything
The firstborn of every creation.
God over gods
Prince of princes
King of kings
Mighty warrior over other warrior
Etc
1 Cor. 6:3 says, that we will judge the angels. So, if you what you say is true, we will judge Jesus, who according to you is an angel ‼️🤔🤣
the evil angels aka demons
In Thesolanians it mentions when Jesus Christ is coming for the second time he shouts, it means he commands the arch angel, and then that arch angel obeying God's command raises it's voice and the dead shall raise, it is only capable when God permits it, but not by itself. But Jesus Christ needs no permission for he is GOD himself. You are interpreting the scriptures wrong.
You are mistaken.
Read 1 Th 4:16 again... it doesn't say that...
Jesus is Lord God Almighty.
The Jehovah witness. Has their own Bible very distorted YESHUA is YHWH in The flesh Michael is An arch angel.
But what you are saying is not what is written. You can't say, what isn't written. It simply says that the Lord comes with the voice of an archangel, and anyone who hears Him should come back to life. Nowhere does it say that Michael represents Jesus. Noone can rise the dead except God. In fact let's just understand the verse as it is.
1 Thessalonians 4:16
[16]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
an archangel is an archangel. God is God and Jesus is Jesus.
Jesus is God
@@lawrenceagnew3972 : In the Bible, the term 'God' is given to Moses; hebrew Kings; Judges. and angels.
The archangel. The canon bible only has one. The chief, so one. There can’t be two sons of God who are above all angels. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 links Michael and Jesus
Jesus is God too.
John 1: 1-14,
John 8:58,
Hebrews ch 1
KJV Bible
@@stophatin1354 none of those mean that Jesus is Almighty God. John 1 is interpreted properly when you understand that the Greek conveys a different idea than what’s in the King James. In the Greek, the word “god” is used differently in the case of Jesus than the “God” that Jesus was with, his Father. Confirming this, is verse 18 of the same chapter.
“18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
If John truly meant that Jesus is The Almighty God, why did he also say that no man has seen God at ANY TIME? That would be a false statement if Jesus was God. Every time you see Jesus, which John did, he would be seeing God.
No the kind of “god” Jesus is in John 1:1 is one without the definite article, which assumes not an identifier, but a quality. Jesus was with God. He cannot be God and with God at the same time. That’s illogical. Jesus was “god” in quality, an adjective. In other words, he is divine. This exists in English as well. If I said “he is the man” I’m identifying a person. If I said “he is man” then I’m describing what he is, namely that he is human.
This is why many bibles translate this passage differently, some say “the word was divine”, others “the word was a god” and others “and a godlike kind was the word.” Essentially this verse is telling is Jesus is divine, which is still the case from the standpoint of a powerful angel. This is not the first time that the Bible calls angels “gods”. Jesus is a god, in the divine sense. He is not The Almighty God Jehovah.
And simply put Jesus was dependent on and subservient to the Father. That means he’s not omnipotent, therefore not Almighty, therefore not God. Only the Father is the only True God (John 17:3)
Disagree. A plain reading of the Bible does not leave anyone believing that Jesus Christ is an Archangel. Why does this topic even need a Bible study? Is it a salvation issue?
The whole Bible is subject to study, unless you only want to follow what a particular church teaches without reference to the Bible. Also, the subject of the whole Holy Bible is Judgment and Salvation.
@@igregmart ok, then study the Bible, you won't find Jesus refered to as Michael the Archangel. This is deception, an invention, that must be additionally taught to propagate.
@@barcoxx there are more Michael/jesus refferences than Jesus being God.
There are two options or Jesus is his own father....Or Jesus is the human name given to first angelic son of God Michael
@@davidmontes6652 where does it say Jesus is Michael the archangel?? Word for word please
Jesus is Michael! Before Jehovah raise him from the grave, Acts, 5: 28-31, Jehovah already made him a chiefprince, Psalm 110:1-2, , Jesus , instructs his Apostles to preach about him without using parables, @ Mat, 10:26-28, after revealing to them the secrets in heaven, that is why they did'nt hesitates to preach that Jehovah the God of our forefather raise him from the grave, Acts, 5:28-31 /Deut, 32:39 /1st, Sam, 2:6-7 / 2nd, Kings, 5:7,,
Jesus would not have to contend with a demon for 21 days. They bow down instantly
But Daniel 12.1-2 says he Michael is the GREAT Prince, the other angels also are Princes cause all of them are Son of the King of the universe Jehovah....there are more than 40 verses that keep the idea of Jesus been the most powerful angelical son of God...in your bible when you want I can show all of them
@@moisesbeyond ok that would be cool 😊
In my daily texts for today I was worried I found a proof text for what you believe Exodus 23:20-22 KJV - Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries. But I was relieved when I realized angel means messenger, then asked who did all these things after moses. It was Joshua! Which transliterated into English is Jesus! 🙌 God's name was literally in him. God is so good.
When Daniel prayed.
An angel was sent to deliver a message to Daniel right?
The powers of darkness withstood tis angels until the king came to their rescue.
There are different categories of angels.
A messenger angel is not a warrior angel.
The angel sent to deliver the message was not a forever warrior. angel
I love how you showed both in action doing the same things! I wish you would have added verse 2 of Daniel 12 because it is a direct connection of 1Thess 4:16-17 also, Matt 27:50-53
Would those who say that Michael the Archangel is NOT Jesus's Heaveny name, please tell us who they think it is.!
they believe Jesus is his own father...Jesus is son of God almighty Jehovah and he is God almighty Jehovah
@@moisesbeyondthat makes no sense
@@theuncreatedlight4717 but that is what main christians believe and preach
everyone in here talking about this is “truth” Jehovah Rapha please bless these ppl with spiritual eyes & spiritual ears he is deceiving these ppl w false doctrine and Jehovah Witness teachings that aren’t biblical. Amen! Yeshua is King!
Amen, my beloved sister! We reject these spirits of Ba’al and give glory to Yehovah Elohim, El Elyon - The God Most High. We know when Yeshua comes LEADING the angels, not as an Angel, those false teachers will drop to their knees and their tongues will confess that Yeshua Ha Melek - Yeshua is the King!!!
It’s so monstrosity true that Jesus is Michael it’s not even funny
@@toto11132 so God is michael too huh?! bc Yeshua is God (the word) in flesh
@@psalmspeaks9826 when Jesus was in the desert and Satan said to do a act of worship to him and I will give you all my kingdoms of the earth Jesus said it is written it’s Jehovah your God you must worship him alone Jesus didn’t it say it is me you must worship you know what I mean?
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Daniel 12: During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. 2 And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt
John 5: 28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.
Only Jesus is going to resurrected the dead if Jesus is not Michael why is Daniel mentioned Michael raising the dead?
You can admit michael is Jesus but not that Jehovah is God Almighty, (Exodus 6:3, Plsams 83:18, John 17:3 come to know Jesus Christ. And the Only true God, to gain everlasting life. Jehovah s People
Are the ones who predicted this smh...... Jesus was Given authority to rule the angels in 1st Peter 3:22.. And Jehovah will reveal himself, and magnify himself, too all nations (Ezikiel 38:23) Then all will know his NAME
Jehovah is one of God name. Just like Yahweh, elohim alpha and Omega, beginning and the end, Jehovah,God,iam that iam, lion of Judah,lamb,jah, bondie, jesúchrist
They just different name of God and how to say his name in different languages.
Well according to the Bible as you said in Jude chapter 1 verse nine Michael the Archangel cannot judge Jesus Christ can. Furthermore, Michael does not hold the titles of king of kings and Lord of lords Jesus stars so that means he’s above all the angels including Michael himself.
Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, whom they claim was God’s first creation and the highest of all the “spirit creatures,” or angelic beings. To argue for this teaching, they point to 1 Thessalonians 4:16, which says: Archangel Michael carrying a cross
“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.”
While it is not immediately apparent to most readers how this verse could mean that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, their argument from this passage goes something like this:
Jesus’ voice is the voice of an archangel
Jesus, therefore, is an archangel
Michael is the only archangel
Therefore, Jesus is Michael
Each of these points has inherent flaws worth addressing.
The voice of an archangel?
First, the most obvious reading is not necessarily that the “voice of an archangel” is Jesus’ own voice. It is merely one of several sounds said to accompany Jesus’ second coming. That a trumpet blowing and a voice crying out mark Jesus’ decent sounds more like the approach of a king who is being announced by a herald. The fact that Jesus is King is not in dispute. Even Jehovah’s Witnesses accept this. For a King to be coming with an archangel serving Him as His herald and for that King to be further announced by the blast of the “trumpet of God,” however, would seem to make Jesus someone much greater than Michael.
Meaning and metaphor
Secondly, even if we accept that the “voice of an archangel” is meant to describe Jesus’ own voice, that would be a weird way of saying that Jesus is an archangel. If I were describing a man coming to greet me, I would not say that he “called out to me with the voice of a human being.” That would be awkward and entirely unhelpful. I might say that “his voice was that of a lion,” and you would get that he was speaking loudly, powerfully, boldly, perhaps even angrily. I might say that “he spoke with the voice of a nightingale,” and you would grasp that his voice was pleasant and his greeting was sweet to the ear. In neither of these examples, however, would you think that I was saying that the man literally was a lion or a nightingale. Such statements are clearly metaphors. I would not bother saying that a lion has the voice of a lion because that is obvious and useless. I would not say that a nightingale has the voice of a nightingale because that doesn’t say anything. Even if Paul was saying that Jesus will personally shout “with the voice of an archangel,” such a statement could only be a metaphor. Plus, think about what happens if you apply the Jehovah’s Witness logic consistently in this verse. If Jesus must be an archangel because His voice is the voice of an archangel, then He also must be God because His trumpet blast is the trumpet blast of God. Obviously, no Jehovah’s Witness would accept this logic as applied to the latter point, so why should they think it valid in the former? There is simply no logical way to read this passage as actually calling Jesus an archangel.
Is Micheal the only archangel?
Thirdly, it is a big leap to get from “an archangel” to “Michael the Archangel.” Jehovah’s Witnesses try to bridge this gap by claiming that Michael is the only archangel. The case for this is rather weak, however. Many major English translations indeed render 1 Thessalonians 4:16 as reading “the voice of THE archangel” rather than “the voice of AN archangel.” In Greek, however, there is no article here, which is why even the Jehovah’s Witness’s “New World Translation” goes with “an archangel” here. Trustworthy translations like the ESV and NKJV also use “an archangel,” and others like the NASB put “the” in italics so that it is clear to the reader that the word is not in Greek. 1 Thessalonians itself gives us no reason to think that there is only one archangel. Jehovah’s Witnesses, therefore, turn elsewhere to try and prove this point, claiming:
“God’s word refers to Michael ‘the archangel.’ (Jude 9) This term means ‘chief angel.’ Notice that Michael is called the archangel. This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term ‘archangel’ occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural,” (What Does the Bible Really Teach, pg. 218).
This is rather horrific logic, and I honestly can’t believe they even published it. Let’s try applying this same argument to another biblical figure:
“God’s word refers to Alexander “the coppersmith.” (2 Timothy 4:14) Notice that Alexander is called the coppersmith. This suggests that there is only one such tradesman. In fact, the term ‘coppersmith’ occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural.”
You could write the same paragraph about “Simon the Zealot” (Luke 6:15, Acts 1:13) and a host of others, and the conclusion is just as laughable. So, too, with “Michael the Archangel.” The argument is absurd. Simon being designated “the zealot” obviously was not meant to deny the existence of other zealots. Calling Alexander “the coppersmith” does not negate the obvious fact that there were many other coppersmiths. Labeling Michael “the archangel” has nothing to do with the number of archangels that exist. Daniel 10:13 calls Michael “one of the chief princes,” clearly indicating that there are other angels of his rank. In the ancient world, people often had descriptors attached to their names. Thus, in addition to “Simon the Zealot,” we also see names like “Simon the Leper” (Matthew 26:6), “Simon the Tanner” (Acts 10:32), and “Simon, who was called Peter” (Matthew 4:18). This was a normal convention for referring to people by name, and Michael was no exception. There is no reason to think that Michael is the only archangel.
Is Jesus Michael the Archangel?
Fourthly and finally, since all of the premises of the Jehovah’s Witness’s argument are wrong, there is no basis for their conclusion. The reality is that Jesus is not a created being, not even the most exalted created being. Rather:
“All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being,” (John 1:3).
and:
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Your hands; They will perish, but You remain, And they all will become old like a garment, And like a mantle You will roll them up; Like a garment they will also be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end,” (Hebrews 1:10-12).
No, Jesus is not Michael the Archangel. Jesus is Michael’s Lord and Maker. This is why an archangel will be Jesus’ herald and why the trumpet of God announces His coming. Jesus is the King of all creation because Jesus is the Creator. Jesus is Jehovah God.
Jesus and Michael the Archangel are not the same. Jesus is God in flesh, but Michael the Archangel is an angel which is a created being. Furthermore, there’s a problem with the idea of an archangel becoming a human being. An archangel has certain characteristics consistent with being an angel. By definition, an angel is not a human being. So is not possible for an angel to become a human being because the attributes and nature of each are different. It would mean that the archangel Michael stopped existing as the archangel Michael. The essence of the mind and heart of an angel is tied to the nature of that angel. If that angel ceases to exist, the mind and the heart ceased to exist. So an angel cannot become a man.
Now some may then ask how can God become flesh. The truth is that the Word became flesh (John 1:1, 14). In other words, the single person of Jesus has two distinct natures the divine (Word) and the human. Jesus has two distinct natures (Col. 2:9). So, the divine nature never ceased being the divine nature. It continues in the person of Christ alongside human nature. We call this the hypostatic union and it is the correct teaching of who Christ is. Nevertheless, let’s get back to the topic of whether or not Jesus and Michael the Archangel are the same.
Daniel 10:13, ““But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia.”
Jude 9, “But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”
In Jude 9 Michael would not pronounce judgment against the devil. Instead, he said, “the Lord rebuke you.” If Michael and Jesus were the same, and Jesus is God in flesh, then Michael would have had the authority to rebuke the devil. But, since Michael deferred to the Lord, Michael is not the Lord. Instead, Michael is an Archangel, a created being.
If all premises all JWs are wrong how is possible that using any bible translations the JWs can prove the Angel of the Lord of the OT (Exodus 23:20) that later was revealed to be Michael the great Prince that will bring a great tribulation and resurrect people as Daniel 12:1-2 and how Malachi 3:1-2 God foretold he will send the Angel of the covenant (Michael) why that one is not Jesus? IF Michael is Son of God ..and God sent his son (John 3:16) why wasnt Michael the one God almighty sent to earth?
You aware people have been likening Jesus to Michael long before JWs came on the scene?
“Angel of Great Counsel” (LXX Isaiah 9:6)
The Bible doesn’t contradict itself read hebrews 1:5 and then meditate on this Col 2:18,19 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Father please forgive men for they know not what they do. Understand where their heart is and help them to not only worship you in spirit but in truth. And help all the ones who know you father to be as Paul in 1 cor 9:25 to be choosing our strikes to not be beating the air. May all who draw close to you continue to draw them in. The ones who watch this video hunger for truth Lord, please bless them with what they seek. If not them asking for it may I ask for it on their behalf. In the name of Jesus Christ our lord and savior and king. Amen
Jesus is an Angel
Jesus is the son of God.
The chief over angels and every creations
We should NOT say that God expresses Himself as three (3) distinct persons, but rather that God is the Father, Who has always had eternal His Word/Son & His eternal Spirit.
1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
God is the Father, the only uncaused cause & source of all sources & FountainHead of the Trinity, so He is generally nominally called 'God'.
The Word/Son & Spirit are eternally generated of the Father & fully possess the Father's essence/nature/substance/ousia, so are rightfully predicated 'God' as the Father.
We can say:
The Father is God
The Son is God, &
The Spirit is God.
But God is the Father.
I still question the trinity but you at least convey the original understanding of the trinity, where the Monarchy of the Father was still respected and understood. Everything comes from the un-begotten, the Arche, , the one true God, THE FATHER. This understanding has basically been forgotten especially in the west where the one true God is a substance and the Father is just a mere member of that substance.
@@theuncreatedlight4717 Yeah, I just discovered the Monarchy of the Father in Dec 2023, so I've been aggressively studying & debating it, looking for weaknesses. Most people that I encounter (Trinitarians & non-Trinitarians) have never heard of it.
I've been blessed to have spent time with Jesus and Michael, so I can tell you straight forward that they are NOT the same, Jesus is God the Son the Word of God, and Michael is one of multiple if not many princes, and Michael is one of four throne angels that are Cherubim (and archangels), but there is only ONE Jesus! Michael was created, Jesus Christ has always existed.
I thought he was born of the virgin Mary and later died. Can an eternal God die ?
Where does Scripture say that Michael was created?
@@JosephSmith-ph4xr The fact that Jesus was crucified does not mean that God died. God is spirit. The price Jesus had to pay for our sins was _physical_ death, not spiritual. That's why scripture says that the sacrifice consisted of a "body":
"Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but *a BODY you prepared for me."* (Hebrews 10:5)
"But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s *PHYSICAL BODY* through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation" (Colossians 1:22)
"He was *put to death in the BODY* but made alive by the Spirit." (1 Peter 3:18)
Furthermore, according to Hebrews 7:16 Jesus was made high priest not due to ancestry (which is based on physical heredity) but "on basis of the power of an *INDESTRUCTIBLE LIFE."*
Bible says son of God, of which there are many, never says God the Son.
The Bible is not for the carnal mind.Michael is the son of God, whose pre human name is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ for salvation. Michael war name.
Thank you for your video, which is the truth. Michael is Jesus Christ. Those who do not acknowledge this truth need to humble themselves and go back and study the bible. There's alot of misinformation out there. True believers will find the truth because the spirit of truth will reveal it to them.
Hebrews 1:5
In Daniel 10:13 it says that Michael is one of the princes. So that verse alone destroy the position that Jesus is Michael the arcangel because there's more than one prices and Jesus cant be all the princes.
Hebrew chapter 1 says that the Son of God is worship by angel so Jesus cant be an angel because angels cant worship another angel.
You nailed it bro. Both great places to destroy this ridiculous false teaching. Either way, we can show them whatsoever comes from Charles (founder) or the Watchtower should not be trusted because of all their false prophecies violating Deuteronomy 18:20-22 test of a false prophet ⬇️
1. 1897: Founder Charles Russell predicts that Jesus has been returned on earth since 1874
(Studies in the Scriptures volume 4, p.621)
2. 1897-1899: Founder Charles Russell predicts that earth’s government being completely overthrown and replaced with God’s kingdom in 1914
(The Time is At Hand, 1908 edition, p.101)
3. 1916: Claim that Christ’s millennial reign began in 1873
(The Time is At Hand, 1916 edition, p. ii)
4. 1922: Cover up from failed 1914 prophecy claiming God’s kingdom will be established in 1925 now. “All members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year.”
(Watchtower, Jan 1, 1925. p.3)
5. 1941: Claim that only months are left before Armageddon happens
(Watchtower, Sep 5, 1941, p.288)
6. 1968: After many failed propheciand large numbers of members leaving the JW org, the leadership admits to a poor history of failed prophecy
(Awake!,Oct 8, 1968
7. In 1968, they then began to imply 1975 will be the date to begin Christ’s millennial reign.
(Watchtower, Aug 15, 1968. p.494)
Princes: One of the 70 sons of God described in the tower of Babel. Michael is the prince of Israel as Jesus is also. The prince of persia in Daniel refers to the son of God or prince ruling persia.
Angel worship: When Michael comes to Daniel he worships him signifying that this is no normal angel.
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Jesus is called the King of Israel. Not the prince of Israel. Kings and princes aren’t the same. Jesus is the King of Kings and the Prince of Peace.
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Michael did not came to Daniel. Michael was duking out with a fallen angel.
Exactly! Amen!!
Next thing you know mr Trump blows his own Trumpet 😅
So in other words the Jahova witnesses are right
Yes
Hebrews 1 “....And let all the angels of God worship Him (Jesus)....” So, if Yeshua is an angel, is He worshiping Himself? 🤔 What a silly claim. Makes sense that the idea of this came from the false prophet and founder of Jehovah’s witnesses, Charles Taze Russell.
Revelation 12:7
[7]And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Michael and his Angels?
(His Angels)
that is either posessive statement
or its is saying Micheal is above the Angels
Lots of people receive 'worship' in the Bible. Look up what the old English word means.
There have been those who have attempted to equate Michael the archangel with Jesus - that they are the same person. Some feel that Michael is Jesus Christ appearing in a temporary form, such as Christ did as the angel of the LORD.
Different View Than Watchtower
This is different than the view of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the Jehovah's Witnesses. They believe that Christ is a created being who was Michael the archangel in the Old Testament - a view totally incompatible with what the Bible says about Jesus.
Case For Michael Being Jesus
The arguments for Michael's identification as being the Pre-incarnate Christ are as follows:
Michael Is The Chief Prince And Protector
Michael is called the chief prince of God's people. He is also called the protector of the people Israel. The Bible teaches that the Lord is the one who protects Israel.
My help comes from the LORD, Who made heaven and earth. He will not allow your foot to slip; He who keeps you will not slumber. Behold, He who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep (Psalm 121:2-4).
The argument goes like this: If the LORD protects Israel, and Michael is the one who is called the protector of the people, then Michael must be the LORD who is protecting the people.
The Coming Of Christ
The Bible says that when Christ returns, He will come with the voice, or cry of command, of the archangel.
For the Lord Himself, with a cry of command, with the archangel's call and with the sound of God's trumpet, will descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first (1 Thessalonians 4:16).
Since Christ comes with the voice of the archangel, the argument goes that He must be that archangel. The only archangel named in Scripture is Michael.
Response
The biblical evidence does not substantiate this. The fact that Michael is called a chief prince only means that he has authority over other angels- not over everything that exists.
In addition, Jesus is never called the chief prince in Scripture. On the contrary He is the king of kings and Lord of Lords.
And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS" (Revelation 19:16).
Though Michael has protected Israel, it is as God's representative. It is ultimately the Lord, not Michael, who is protecting His chosen people.
Voice Like
The fact that Christ comes with the voice, or cry of command, like an archangel does not mean that He is one. The voice He uses will be "like" or "as" that of an archangel. In other words, a powerful voice.
One Of The Chief Princes
In addition, Michael is called one of the chief princes.
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia (Daniel 10:13).
This means that he is one of a group of princes. We do not know how large the group is, but he is not in a class by himself. The Bible says that Jesus is the unique Son of God.
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made Him known (John 1:18).
Michael Highest Of Angels
Michael is the highest of the angels - an order of created beings. He is one of the angels, he is not the Creator of the angels as the Bible says that Jesus is.
for by Him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers - all things have been created through Him and for Him (Colossians 1:16).
Jude
There is a further problem with the identification of Jesus with Michael. The Book of Jude says:
But when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 9).
Michael is obviously not the Lord. He could not rebuke the Devil on his own, but rather called upon the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus has no such problem with the Devil - He personally rebuked him, since He is the Lord.
Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " Then the Devil left Him, and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him (Matthew 4:10,11).
His Name Bears Testimony
Michael, the one who is closest in proximity to the Lord at the top of the angelic creation, bears testimony to the great gap between the Creator and the created. His name means, "who is like God?" The answer, of course, is no one. The closer one gets to God, the more they realize their own nothingness and His greatness. Neither Michael, nor any of the angels, is like God.
Summary
There is no biblical evidence to equate Michael the archangel with Jesus. To the contrary, Jesus and Michael are two different personages. Michael is the highest of the angels - an order of created beings while Jesus is the uncreated Second Person of the Trinity, God the Son.
Is Jesus actually Michael the archangel?
No. Jesus is not an angel. The Bible clearly describes Jesus as the Son of God, the Son of Man, and our Savior.
Michael is the only angel described in the Bible as an "archangel" (Jude 1:9), but he is not God and doesn't hold a divine status as Jesus does. The difference between Jesus and Michael is best noted in Mathew 4:10 where Jesus rebukes Satan, and in Jude 1:9 where Michael "contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, 'The Lord rebuke you.'" See the difference in authority?
Jesus is God in the flesh (John 1:1, 14) and is worthy of worship. No angel is ever worthy of worship.
Hebrews 1 clearly and directly sets Jesus apart from all angels. There, Scripture describes Jesus as God's only Son, exhibiting God like no other and completing work that no other being could complete.
"[Jesus] is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say, 'You are my Son, today I have begotten you'? Or again, 'I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son'? And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let all God's angels worship him'" (Hebrews 1:3-6).
"Of the angels he says, 'He makes his angels winds, and his ministers a flame of fire.' But of the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions'" (Hebrews 1:7-9).
Though angels are sometimes called sons of God (Genesis 6:2-4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7), Jesus is clearly and repeatedly divine, and called THE Son of God (Hebrews 1:8; Matthew 4:3-6). Jesus and Michael the archangel are absolutely different.
If all premises all JWs are wrong how is possible that using any bible translations the JWs can prove the Angel of the Lord of the OT (Exodus 23:20) that later was revealed to be Michael the great Prince that will bring a great tribulation and resurrect people as Daniel 12:1-2 and how Malachi 3:1-2 God foretold he will send the Angel of the covenant (Michael) why that one is not Jesus? IF Michael is Son of God ..and God sent his son (John 3:16) why wasnt Michael the one God almighty sent to earth?
Michael is THE Son of God...that is why is called THE great Prince in Daniel 12:1-2 cause is son of THE KING and God almighty Jehovah
You use the Bible to support what you say to believe but then you use words like "the uncreated 2nd member of a trinity" and "God the Son",... Non biblical words and phrases.
Next time please pray in the name of Michael since you claim it's the same
Very convincing. Great video, thank you
Very lovely connection of scriptures proving it all.
The Bible says and that scripture that he shouts with the voice of the archangel now that the archangel shout and the dead rise so the archangel if it is not Jesus does not say anything rather it is Michael the archangel which is just another name for Jesus is the one who shouts and the dead are raised since only Jesus can raise the dead only God can raise the Dead
You are right.
Only the son of God can raise the dead from the grave.
Whose voice was heard when the dead rise to life?.
You've worked out that Jesus is Michael, well done on that....but you STILL believe Jesus is God Almighty. This is almost comical 😬
Jesus is never called God Almighty or Lord God.
Michael is not a Jesus.
In Daniel. He is “ one of the chief princes “. Along with Gabriel etc
U dumb. There is only one chief.and that's Michael. And Michael the archangel is God the son.who came on earth as Jesus.
God the father
God the son heaven name Michael earth name Jesus
God the holy spirit.
U have GOD .
@@juanjuan6905
That one way to win an argument. Calling someone dumb. Also read the Bible. It said Michael is one of the chief princes.
@@Bunni504Arch. Ruler of angels. Michael is called the Great Prince. The word of God is not for the carnal mind. You need the holy spirit to discern the word of God. Wasn't Abram changed to Abraham?
Wasn't sarai changed to sarah?
Wasn't Jacob the same as Isreal.
What is Jesus heavenly name?
The bible is a mystery book which is beyond human understanding.
Wasn't Jesus called the Prince of Peace.
Michael is Jesus
100% true. I new that before I saw this video.
Sorry, brother. Read Zion Watchtower, 1879, November issue, where your fearless leader, Russell, said Jesus is NOT Michael. There is so much flip-flopping with you guys.
...Michael stand up) does this say Michael is to sit???
Is it not true psalm 110: 1 says: sit on my right side
Standing up means to take action. The son sits but not always
Stand up. A king to take action.
When the King stands up.
Evil will be destroyed forever.
*AND NOW FOR THE REBUTTAL*
I listened carefully to the "detective work" provided in this video but instead of seeing the Bible "speaking for itself" I see is a man speaking for the Bible. In order to do that you jump around "making a connection" between verses in such a way as to tell the story that the Watchtower teaches.
You start of by saying that Michael is a prince and that Jesus is also a prince - something you prove with scripture. No problem. And then you then admit that it could be possible for Jesus and Michael to be princes without being the same person. I'm glad you admitted that, but then you _totally_ abandon that line of thinking, saying that since Michael the archangel is the "head of the angels" and Jesus is also the "head of the angels" then Michael must therefore be Jesus. But your own analogy about the president being the "head of the military" actually betrays you. Obviously _both_ the president _and_ a five start general can be regarded as the "head of the military" without them being the same person.
What we see in the book of Daniel is that there is a heirarchy of command involved. Michael is "ONE of the princes" (Daniel 10:13), Jesus is not "one" of _anything._ He is King of Kings, Lord of Lord, and even "Prince of Princes" (Daniel 8:25). Michael on the other hand is prince over a limited geographical area - Isreal, which is the key to understanding why Michael will be the central figure accompanying Jesus on the Day of the Lord without anything in scripture indicating that he plays any significant role before that.
Why if Michael is Jesus, is there nothing mentioned about Jesus primary accomplishment - to save all mankind. Daniel only places Michael at the second coming of Jesus:
"At _THAT_ time Michael, the great prince who protects *your people,* will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people-everyone whose name is found written in the book-will be delivered." (Daniel 12:1)
Not only does Michael do that, Paul's _ONLY_ mention of Daniel is during the end times:
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, *with the voice of the archangel* and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first." (1 Thessalonians 4:16)
This verse is not saying that Jesus will be "speaking" with the voice of an archangel, it is saying that when he returns he will coming "WITH" these things, or on other words, accompanied by them. He is obviously referring to what the gospel of Matthew tells us - that Jesus return will be heralded with angels and a the sound of a trumpet:
"Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And *he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call,* and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other." (Matthew 24:30-31)
So there is absolutely no reason to turn Jesus into an angel - unless one has a predefined agenda to do so.
Amen on that
Well said.
Michael is "ONE of the princes" (Daniel 10:13), a prove that all angels are sons of God...and Daniel 12:1-2 call michael the GREAT PRINCE which means he is the most imporrtant one...besides ther are more than 40 verses in your bible that proves Jesus been the most powerful Angel Michael....I can showe you all of those verses forbidden for you to read
@@moisesbeyond I take it you didn't read the rebuttal I wrote in the comments section about a year ago. Since I often save some of my comments to my hard drive here is a response to this issue I made elsewhere. Please read it carefully.
The evidence that the Watchtower presents to prove that Jesus and Michael are one and the same individual is based on a form of hermaneutics that I call "join-the-dots" theology. This is where you _start off_ with a story and then arbitrarily string verses together in order to support that story - regardless of whether or not it causes problems elsewhere in scripture.
For example, Jesus _created_ the angels. So how could he _possibly_ be one of them?
Jesus is also _superior_ to the angels. How could he possibly be superior to something he himself is?
The argument they use usually goes something like this:
Matthew 24:31 says that Jesus will send "his angels", and Revelation 12:7 refers to Michael and "his angels". To them, the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that Jesus and Michael are one and the same.
The problem with drawing a conclusion like that is that using the same logic I could prove that Jesus is God:
"If *God* places no trust in his servants,
if he charges *his angels* with error..." (Job 4:18)
Another problem is that the enormous diffences between Michael and Jesus are totally ignored for the sake of putting all focus on a common phrase between two verses. And while these verses may indicate a similarity in authority, even in that respect the argument fails miserably as I will point out.
If we read Daniel 10 we get a little insight into how things operate behind the scenes in the spirit world. We see that different angelic beings, referred to as "princes", are in engage with each other in different geographical regions. Michael is referred to here as "ONE of the chief princes" (Daniel 10:13). In that context, Jesus is _never_ referred to as one of anything. He is king of kings, Lord or Lords, and interestingly enough, "Prince of Princes" (Daniel 8:25). They clearly places him way _above_ Michael in respect to authority.
The key to understanding where Michael fits into the big picture is to see in what capacity and scope he serves God.
Is he the savior of all mankind?
No he isn't. What Daniel is told about Michael is that he is "the great prince who protects *your people"* (Daniel 12:1), which means that "Michael and his angels" are those who are deployed in and around the nation of Israel.
This is important, because the fact that Michael plays a protective role in Isreal explains why he is ONLY mentioned at the end of time when Israel is attacked by an alliance of nations.
Don't you think that if Michael and Jesus are one and the same that Daniel would mention the fact that before appearing in the end times, he would bring salvation to the entire world?
Instead he ONLY places Michael in the far distant future, with no mention of Michael playing any other significant role until that time:
"At _THAT_ time Michael, the great prince who protects *your people,* will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at THAT TIME your people-everyone whose name is found written in the book-will be delivered." (Daniel 12:1)
Notice that this all makes perfect sense if we just stick to what scripture tells us about Michael without trying to turn him into Jesus!
Now, let's look at what Paul writes concering Michael:
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, *_WITH_* the voice of the archangel and *_WITH_* the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first." (1 Thessalonians 4:16)
The Watchtower claims here that Jesus is "speaking" with the voice of the archangel, but that _isn't_ what the verse says at all. Paul is obviously referring to what Matthew wrote about Jesus second coming - that he would be _accompanied_ by angels and a loud trumpet call:
"And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other." (Matthew 24:30-31)
At long last Jesus comes in the form of a triumphal warrior and is HERALDED by the archangel, not replaced by him!
Nowhere in any of Paul's epistles does he ever refer to Jesus as Michael. Instead, all throughout his writings he _always_ uses the name "Jesus" when speaking about Jesus (which he even does in 1 Thess no less than four times) ...and then in ONE verse we are supposed to believe that he all of a suddem decides to refer to him as Michael!
This is obviously nothing more than a story that the Watchtower has made up in order to support their theology.
@@moisesbeyond You seem to be trying to talk past me. Did you even read my rebuttal?
Jesus IS NOT A CREATED BEING!!! Michael is an Angel and Jesus is GOD!!!
Michael is the word of God. Arch (in charge of the angels, leaders of the angels.
The invisible and visible world were created by the word of God under the Command of God the supreme (Ancient of days)
Is there any way i can email you / a photo that may explain why Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians, Catholics, Muslims, and Jehovas witnesses all believe what they do when it comes to EL, EmannuEL (Jesus being “his new name”) and MichaEL ; and how the Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit all timelessly incarnated through the 7 flames of God that each bare a gift of the holy spirit, starting through MichaEL the archangel in genesis
Is Jesus described as, "One of the princess"❓Or as THE PRINCE OF PEACE⁉️
IF he is a Prince ans Michael in Daniel 12:1-2 is called GREAT prince that means that Michael is greater than the prince of peace Jesus? or are just two similar titles to the same being?
Does 1 Th 4:15 say that it is the voice of Jesus or that he will come with the voice of an Archangel, that is, His arrival will be heralded by the voice of an Archangel ❓
the voice of Jesus is Archangel s voice.
I see no harm in Christians believing that Jesus and Michael are the same since we don't give reverence to the latter. It makes sense to me since it was mentionwed that Lucifer was the most gorgeous and highest form of angel that God created. If you were God, why not make your Archangel have those attributes? And in the old testament, clearly, you cannot name Jesus since He made His apperance in the New Testament. Knowing this truth made me cry because since the beginning of time, Jesus has been intervening for us, in a different form, though. I may be right or wrong, it will be validated at the time I resurrect at the end of time. Praise be to God. ❤
10:16 Jesus cannot be Michael because Michael would have to summit to the authority of Jesus instead of God; to bend the knee. Michael is the Angel of the Lord, not the Angel of Jesus. Furthermore, Michael would have to accept Christian doctrine and reject Judaism, eg. Jesus born of a virgin, or the Trinity (god, holy spirit and son) instead of Hear Israel, the Lord is one. Michael protects Israel; the People of Daniel, Judaism and not Christianity. The book of Daniel was written before the new testament.
Having god die for your sins makes you feel good about your self huh? You will pay for heinous crimes. That cross is insurance...
Yeah right!
Jesus is below God.
Michael means
He who is like God
Hmm
Christianity is a lie, the virgin birth is another lie, and the trinity is the biggest lie.
@michaelspeaksup
@@ElParacletoPodcast if jesus is not Adam that's the biggest lie. Since the enemy hates the father of humanity. So many Christian's say jesus is not adam. Jesus has to be adam if he is not then its deceiving. Michael is the only archangel the highest chief of Angel's. In Islam all Angel's prostrated to adam out of respect but the devil refused because he thinks he's better than Adam because adam is made of clay. Adam is jesus the trinity does not make jesus God but jesus is nearest to God? The virgin mary story could be true because Islam supports this idea. God said be and it just is just as adam was made from god so jesus was put together in the likeness of adam.
I guess this is my current take.
@@BeautifulMuslim99 Islam is nonsense, and what I said stands.
Daniel 3:25 the Son of God verse 28 angel KJV
You read Isiah 9:6, which states Jesus as "the prince of peace" but that same verse also calls him "everlasting father." How is that so?
Anyone reading the Bible would never ever come up with this claim michael being Jesus.
Wow, what people take out on context and try so hard to piece together is amazing to me.
Well, when you see the Lord one day soon you can try and explain that to Him
Well, according to you, if someone has the same attributes that makes them the same person as the one with similar attributes. Then when Christ is called the creator as God is called the creator, that also means He is God (Father, Jehovah) right?
What I find amusing is that you lean more on Christ being the archangel Michael even though there about 5 similarities between them.
There's a lot of similarities between Christ and God (Father, Jehovah) but to those, you just say they have the same titles.
Your presentation is confusing! You ignore the Gospels! Jesus was tempted in the wilderness. He was human and divine. Angels are angels. And if Jesus was Michael, as an angel he wouldn’t have been vulnerable to the devil. Keep in mind as is taught, the decision to serve God or not amid the angels happened long before Jesus incarcerated.
Also if you read the Gospel accounts of Jesus’ encounters with demons, they know him as Jesus or as the anointed one of God. If he was the angel Michael, they would have said so. Please refer to the Gospels. The Book of Daniel and or Ezekiel is about something different than what is spoken of in the Gospels. Also, if Jesus was to be Michael, then the Angel Gabriel would have said something to Mary at the Annunciation. And if so then his name would be Michael and not Jesus. You might have good intentions in your presentation. But this train of thought is confusing!
Problematic definetly.... when the Septuagint versus the Masoretic: Isaiah 9:6 LXX For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.
Michael can't be compare with anyone Michael is the greatest
Interesting. The jehovah witness teach this as well the homoousions ( trintarians have a problem with the Jehovah wittness on this doctrine but the fact it is that it was taught among some early protestant groups. john calvin believed that Jesus could be michael. " Michael may mean an angel; but I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people". which is strange coming from Calvin since he was a homoousion. There was also Rabbi Philo of Judea, ‘identified the Logos with the archangel Michael.’ also an identification which is made in the Shepherd of Hermas. ... According to the early Christian writing Of The Threefold Fruits, Christ, as one of the seven archangels of God, was created ‘from fire’ and exalted to the status of ‘Son.’" I reject the homoousions view as it's non- bibical but as for Jesus as michael the Jehovah wittness are not the only ones here that believe that Jesus could be Michael.
jehovah witness is non biblical
@@psalmspeaks9826 All that is taught is from the bible. Strictly from the bible.
@@hyiiderr6439 huh?
Can you paste a link to this of the threefold fruits text?
I'm so sorry but you are very mistaken sir. You said that Jesus and Michael are the same but you are confusing us by saying Jesus is NOT an "angel." If Jesus is Michael, then he is an angel, or archangel. Angel means "messenger." If Jesus is not an angel, then it means he is NOT a messenger of Jehovah God!
Hebrews 1:5.... God's Word makes a clear distinction of angel and the Son of God. Also in Daniel 10 Daniel encounters Christ and Christ Mentions Michael intervening against the Prince of Persia (Satan ???) On behalf of Christ (like an armor bearer). Michael contended with satan with Moses body (Jude 1:9) and warred in Heaven (Rev 12:7) where Jesus said He saw satan fall like lightning (Luke 10:18). In Jude 1:9 Michael also said the Lord rebuke thee. 1 John 3:8 says Christ purposes on earth was to destroy the works of the devil.
"ONE" of the prince...look up all the things satan is the price of?
Satan is the prince of darkness
If Jesus is Michael, why is Jesus worshipped? You do not worship angels. If Miachel is Jesus, then why does he not say "I rebuke you." to satan over the body of Moses? If Jesus is Michael, how will you judge Jesus? Do you not know we will judge angels? I believe if the truth is the truth, then the truth will not be afraid to be questioned by ANYONE. If it is the truth, the answers will be the same everytime no matter how much they are scrutinize. Not being able to question the governing body (which is not in the Bible by the way) is like you telling your mate you are not cheating on them, so you do not need to look at my cell phone for proof. I blame no Jehovah Witness for this. I blame the governing body. The governing body brainwash them and took away their right and ability to think on their own and to come to their own conclusion. Everyone and every organization should be able to be questioned by anyone concerning their faith.
Why did Joshua bow before the commander of the heavenly hosts.
Why did he tell Joshua to remove his show for the land is holy.
Who is the commander of the angels? Michael
Who will rise at the end of time to redeem the children of God?
Michael
Is Archangel Michael the Alpha and the Omega ❓
Great teaching brother
Who comes beforehand Jhon 16;7 knock knock 😴
Is Archangel Michael ever described as the Son of God or Son of Man❓
The bible is not written by man.
It is an inspiration by the holy Spirit.
Do you think the word of God(bible) is like other books in the world.
Even the angels cannot understand the ways of the Almighty.
How then do you think humans should know everything.?
@ The Bible is written FOR mankind to understand. The Holy Spirit guides you into all truth
@ My question was on JWs belief that Jesus is archangel Michael
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Zechariah 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
Zechariah 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
Jesus coming back soon repent and give God the glory 🙏 😤 👏
He blasphemied himself. He said jesus is not angel but said that jesus is the head of the angels.
He is talking contradiction to himself.
Jesus was worshipped 10 times in the KJV New Testament ! All 4 gospel writers record Jesus being worshipped ! Jesus received that worship, and can’t be an angel . The NWT CHANGED every time Jesus was Worshipped…to obescience , an attempt to hide the fact that Jesus was worshipped !
Who did Joshua worship? The commander of the angels.
Who is the commander of angels? Michael
τοϲουτω κριττων
γενομενοϲ των
αγγελων οϲω δι
αφορωτερον πα
ρ αυτουϲ κεκληρονο
μηκεν ονομα. (please translate correctly, word for word the ancient Greek text, and then the whole chapter, and you will find the answer) Hebrews 1:4
And now I asn who do you think I am
You are trying but you're not there yet. Michael is Jesus but Michael is not an arch-angel.
God created Himself, then God created The Son (Who is not Michael/Jesus), then God and The Son joined temporarily and became One and created Spirit. The reason for this is because only God can create. Michael/Jesus was not created until much later. Then God created the matrix simulation. There are three levels of simulation, heaven, the ghost/angel level, and the material universe. Heaven is it's own separate simulation while the ghost/angel level and the material universe are projected together.
Michael is a Son of God, sent out from heaven to begin this universe. Michael and Spirit created the first angels in this universe. The angels then non-sexually reproduced. When an angel reproduces they can only produce lesser beings. Michael is the Master of angels.
Michael was required to experience many angelic lives and then a primitive life before He could bond with God and have the ability to join and become One. When a being becomes One with God they still have separate forms but they have a mind bond. I cannot explain more of this.
Michael was born as Jesus and as Jesus He lived a human life. As Jesus was growing the other Jews realized that Jesus was different and they knew of the legend of the messiah. The problem is that, because of the Roman invasion, the Jewish idea of the Messiah had changed into the idea of someone sent from God who would lead the Jews to victory over the Romans but Jesus did not come to start a war. Jesus told people, "My time has not yet come." The reason for this is because the bond to become One with God had not been established yet. Once the bond was completed Jesus was then ready to risk His earth life and challenge the Sanhedrin.
Once Michael/Jesus was crucified He assumed His position at His headquarters in the ghost/angel level (There are many mansions in my Fathers house) and opened the path of ascendence. Before Michael had completed His bond with God the dead would go to sleep. Once the path had been opened the sleeping survivors awakened and ascended to the first universal training schools located in the ghost/angel level.
Jesus identifies himself with Michael. Matthew 24:21,30 and Daniel 12:1.
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1 John 4:15
1st Corinthians 6:17
John 17:14-26
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John 1:14 As of
Revelation 19:13
Revelation 12: 7
John 1:18. So I ask you. Who declared Who?
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John 12:44 & 8 :58
Exodus 3:14-15
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Luke 10:21-24
John 10:30
The Rose Among the thorns.
Jesus can not be God cause Jehovah can not die and Jesus is begotten Jehovah is not begotten
The word prince H8323 can also be leader, patron angel, head etc. and your logical is already flawed it’s a non sequitur, Jesus can be a prince, but not all princes are Jesus. I couldn’t get past 5 min cause it already obvious you can’t think without fallacies.
Are you equating God and Angels? Angels are created beings and Jesus is God as you said. He cannot then be an angel. Micheal does not raise the dead. Remember the war in heaven, Micheal fought and won, this means he is an standard of victory against lawlessness. So the voice of an arch angel being refered to is a *voice or a trumpet of victory* that will accompany Christ. Jesus has names which are not shared by Micheal. Micheal is a creature, Jesus is the Creator.they can never be one. Micheal an angel can never be the part of the Godhead.
The war in heaven fought between Micheal and Devil, *it would violets the integrity and fundamentals of the Godhead which are righteousness and justice for a Creator to fight his Creature and claim victory. God did not fight with the devil but Micheal a creature and Lucifer a creature fought at their same level as creatures and the great dragon was defeated* Its like a father fighting his new born son and claim victory. There is no level playing ground for God to fight his own creature and celebrate the win.
He is the Almighty God
He is the creator
He is the Alfa and the Omega
He is the Son of God
He is the redeemer
He is the word that become flesh
Hebrews says "which of the angels did God say you are my son?
This clearly depicts therefore that an angel cannot be God, cannot be Jesus, cannot be a son of God.
This isn't confusing at all. The Bible says it that Jesus is Michael. It doesn't limit the power of Jesus. Michael the Archangel means the chief messenger who is like God. And no one can bear this name except Jesus Christ. He is the only one who can stand for his people. And also the Bible says Michael with his angels fought the dragon. The great controversy is between Jesus and Satan so in this context Michael represents Jesus Christ. This is so awesome
KJV
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. This trumps everything your saying because the angels gather the elect and the Bible also says the dead in Christ rise first which the angels go and gather so not just Michael can raise people from the dead
Bart Ehrman (New Testament Professor)
“Galatians 4:14 Paul is not contrasting Christ to an angel; he is equating him to an angel. Garrett goes a step further and argues that Gal. 4:14 indicates that Paul “identifies [Jesus Christ] with God’s chief angel” -Bart Ehrman Blog
Matthew Poole (nonconformist theologian, 17th Century)
“Michael: this we take to be Christ.” -Commentary on Daniel 10:13
Matthew Henry (nonconformist minister 17th century)
1. “The seat of this war was in heaven; in the church of Christ, the kingdom of heaven on earth. The parties were Christ, the great Angel of the covenant, and his faithful followers; and Satan and his instruments” -Commentary on Rev. 12:7
2. “Michael signifies, Who is like God, and his name, with the title of the great Prince, points out the Divine Saviour. Christ stood for the children of our people in their stead as a sacrifice, bore the curse for them, to bear it from them” -Commentary on Daniel 12:1
Joseph Benson (Methodist scholar 18th Century)
“The word Michael signifies, Who is like God? which name, with the title here given him, The great prince which standeth for the children of thy people, manifestly points out the Messiah” -Commentary on Dan 12:1
John Gill (Baptist minister, 17th century)
“The Archangel, who has all the angels of heaven under him, and at his command, the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ” -Commentary on Daniel 12:1
Lutheran E. W. Hengstenberg (Lutheran, 19th Century)
“Michael is no other than Christ."
JP Lange (theologian, 19th Century)
“We take it that Michael . . . is, from the outset, Christ in warlike array against Satan." -Commentary on Rev.12:7
Adam Clarke (Methodist Theologian, 18-19th Century)
“The word Michael מיכאל, seems to be compounded of מי mi, who, כ ke, like, and אל El, God; he who is like God; hence by this personage, in the Apocalypse, many understand the Lord Jesus.” -Commentary on Jude 9
Geneva Study Bible (16th Century)
1. “Christ is the Prince of angels and head of the Church” -Commentary on Revelation 12:7
2. “The angel here notes two things: first that the Church will be in great affliction and trouble at Christ's coming, and next that God will send his angel to deliver it, whom he here calls Michael, meaning Christ, who is proclaimed by the preaching of the Gospel” -Commentary on Daniel 12:1
Calvin (Protestant reformer, 16th Century)
“By Michael many agree in understanding Christ as the head of the Church.” -Commentary on Daniel 12:1
Pulpit Commentary
“Michael is thus made to be symbolical of Christ” -Revelation 12:7 commentary
Origen (3rd Century Church Father)
1. And, in the next place, since he considers that he makes a concession in saying of the Saviour, “Let him appear to be really an angel”, we reply that we do not accept of such a concession from Celsus; but we look to the work of Him who came to visit the whole human race in His word and teaching, as each one of His adherents was capable of receiving Him. And this was the work of one who, as the prophecy regarding Him said, **was not simply an angel, but the Angel of the great counsel:**
2. “There are certain creatures, rational and divine, which are called powers [spirit creatures, probably ANGELS]; AND OF THESE CHRIST WAS THE HIGHEST and best and is called not only the wisdom of God but also His power." - ANF 10:321-322
The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
“The EARLIER PROTESTANT SCHOLARS usually identified Michael with the preincarnate Christ, finding support for their view, not only in the juxtaposition of the "child" and the archangel in Rev 12, but also in the attributes ascribed to him in Daniel.”
Jamieson-Brown commentary (19th century Presbyterian)
“The description of this angel can agree to none but Christ” -commentary on Revelation 20:1
Shepherd of Hermas (2nd century writing, considered scripture by some early church fathers like Irenaeus)
“this law is the Son of God, proclaimed to the ends of the earth; and the people who are under its shadow are they who have heard the proclamation, and have believed upon Him. And the great and glorious angel Michael is he who has authority over this people, and governs them; for this is he who gave them the law into the hearts of believers: he accordingly superintends them to whom he gave it, to see if they have kept the same”
Polycarp (AD 69-155) was the bishop at the church in Smyrna. Irenaeus tells us Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle. In his Letter to the Philippians he says,
"Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and *the ETERNAL high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ,* build you up in faith and truth...and to us with you, and to all those under heaven *who will yet believe in OUR LORD AND GOD Jesus Christ* and in his Father who raised him from the dead."
Ignatius (AD 50-117) was the bishop at the church in Antioch and *also a disciple of John the Apostle.* He wrote a series of letters to various churches on his way to Rome, where he was to be martyred. He writes,
"Ignatius, who is also Theophorus, unto her which hath been blessed in greatness through the plentitude of God the Father; which hath been foreordained before the ages to be for ever unto abiding and unchangeable glory, united and elect in a true passion, by the will of the Father *and of JESUS CHRIST OUR GOD;* even unto the church which is in Ephesus [of Asia], worthy of all felicitation: abundant greeting in Christ Jesus and in blameless joy.
Being as you are imitators of God, once you took on new life *THROUGH THE BLOOD OF GOD* you completed perfectly the task so natural to you.
There is only one physician, who is both flesh and spirit, born and unborn, *God in man,* true life in death, both from Mary and from God, first subject to suffering and then beyond it, Jesus Christ our Lord.
For *OUR GOD, JESUS THE CHRIST,* was conceived by Mary according to God’s plan, both from the seed of David and of the Holy Spirit.
Consequently all magic and every kind of spell were dissolved, the ignorance so characteristic of wickedness vanished, and the ancient kingdom was abolished *when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life.*
For *OUR GOD JESUS CHRIST* is more visible now that he is in the Father.
*I glorify Jesus Christ, THE GOD WHO MADE YOU SO WISE,* for I observed that you are established in an unshakable faith, having been nailed, as it were, to the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Wait expectantly for the one who is above time: *the Eternal, the Invisible, who for our sake became visible; the Intangible, the Unsuffering, who for our sake suffered,* who for our sake endured in every way.
Justin Martyr (AD 100-165) was an Christian apologist of the second century.
And that Christ being Lord, *and GOD THE SON OF GOD,* and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom, has been demonstrated fully by what has been said.
Permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in order to prove that *CHRIST IS CALLED BOTH GOD AND LORD OF HOSTS.*
Therefore these words testify explicitly that He [Jesus] is witnessed to by Him [the Father] who established these things, as *DESERVING TO BE WORSHIPPED, AS GOD AND AS CHRIST.*
The Father of the universe has *a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, IS EVEN GOD.* And of old He appeared in the shape of fire and in the likeness of an angel to Moses and to the other prophets; but now in the times of your reign, having, as we before said, become Man by a virgin....
For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that *He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God.*
Melito of Sardis (died c. AD 180) was the bishop of the church in Sardis.
He that hung up the earth in space was Himself hanged up; He that fixed the heavens was fixed with nails; He that bore up the earth was born up on a tree; the Lord of all was subjected to ignominy in a naked body- *GOD PUT TO DEATH!* ... In order that He might not be seen, the luminaries turned away, and the day became darkened- *because THEY SLEW GOD,* who hung naked on the tree.... This is He who made the heaven and the earth, and in the beginning, together with the Father, fashioned man; who was announced by means of the law and the prophets; who put on a bodily form in the Virgin; who was hanged upon the tree; who was buried in the earth; who rose from the place of the dead, and ascended to the height of heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father.
Continued...
Irenaeus of Lyons (AD 130-202) was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, which is now Lyons, France. Irenaeus was born in Smyrna in Asia Minor, where he studied under bishop Polycarp, who in turn had been a disciple of John the Apostle.
For I have shown from the Scriptures, that no one of the sons of Adam is as to everything, and absolutely, called God, or named Lord. But that *He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, GOD, AND LORD, AND KING ETERNAL, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth.* Now, the Scriptures would not have testified these things of Him, if, like others, He had been a mere man.... He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counselor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men;-all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him.
He received testimony from all that He was very man, and that *HE WAS VERY GOD,* from the Father, from the Spirit, from angels, from the creation itself, from men, from apostate spirits and demons.
*Christ Jesus [is] OUR LORD, AND GOD, and Savior, and King,* according to the will of the invisible Father.
*Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the GOD OF THE LIVING,* who spoke to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers.
Carefully, then, has the Holy Ghost pointed out, by what has been said, His birth from a virgin, and *His essence, that HE IS GOD* (for the name Emmanuel indicates this). And He shows that He is a man.... [W]e should not understand that He is a mere man only, nor, on the other hand, from the name Emmanuel, should suspect Him to be God without flesh.
Clement of Alexandria (AD 150-215) was another early church father. He wrote around AD 200. He writes,
This Word, then, the Christ, the cause of both our being at first (for He was in God) and of our well-being, this very Word has now appeared as man, *He alone being both, BOTH GOD AND MAN* -the Author of all blessings to us; by whom we, being taught to live well, are sent on our way to life eternal.... The Word, who in the beginning bestowed on us life as Creator when He formed us, taught us to live well when He appeared as our Teacher *that AS GOD He might afterwards conduct us to the life which never ends.*
For it was not without divine care that so great a work was accomplished in so brief a space by the Lord, who, though despised as to appearance, was in reality adored, the expiator of sin, the Savior, the clement, *the Divine Word, He that is TRULY MOST MANIFEST DEITY, He that is made EQUAL TO THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE;* because He was His Son, and the Word was in God....
JW are definitely out to lunch but your logic is not sound on the comment that Michael is a created beings because angels are created beings. . Humans are also created beings and Jesus is a human
Hey, since I am a created being, I am Michael and I am Jesus. Am I not? Based on your JW logic I am. Therefore you should bow down and worship me. I have the true doctrine. I f you have the true doctrine, why do you need the govwrning body? Is Jehovah not perfect? Does he get it right the 1st time? If so, He does not need mankind and He does not change scriptures nor doctrines. So why do you even need the governing body? God can tell you what to do without the governing body.
I've known this for many years. That Jesus Christ and Michael are one and same person. It is also my understanding that Angel means messenger, so Archangel means chief messenger. Angel does NOT always mean one of the created beings called angels. Jesus is also the lamb of God, which does not mean Jesus is an actual sheep.
Proverbs 8:22-31) - (JESUS) talks about his own creation/Produced by God Almighty & Him being the First of Gods Works.
(Colessians 1:15) jesus was the First born over all Creation...
(Revelation 3:14) jesus was the Most Faithful Witness for God.
Total misrepresentation of the bible. Jesus isnt an angel! He is God of the flesh, he was never created so dont pretend he was. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. Your bible is a perversion, christians know people who are lost like you by your fruit. Jesus is a king and is called king of kings, michael is a prince. Jesus has a tatoo on his thigh that says king of kings michael cant have that bevause he isnt a king. The watchtower is by the devil. Johannas greber book was used to translate the nwt bible and he was a well know spirit medium. The watchtower even confirmed this in their msgazine. Youre so far from the truth may God open your eyes.
Why do you xtians say; let's have a word of prayer, for the spirit of God to descend upon us, but yet you xtians preach that you already have the holy spirit and that he is your teacher. My question is, if the hs is your teacher, why are you xtians still teaching each other?
@michaelspeaksup
love the opening prayer hope everyone finds their truth
There is no such thing as "their" truth, because Truth is NOT subjective, but Objective, because it is the embodiment of the Creator of all things, namely Jesus Christ (John 14: 6)
Everyone finds their truth? is such a corrupted worldly view , truth has no sides it is absolute, one .Not subject to anyones interpretation it is God' s view on a matter full stop. Anytime we remove God from the definition and description we end up in confusion.
I saw this go by and will say this silly video isn’t worth one nickel penny of wasting any time of any True Born Again Follower of JESUS CHRIST . To think anyone would believe this is beyond me.
Reading Hindu mythology I intercepted Micheal is Jesus Christ..... I m 💯 sure
I"M SO SORRY FOR YOU , you seem so sincere but if you DO NOT know who JESUS is HOW CAN YOU BE SAVED
JESUS WAS GOD IN HUMAN FLESH .! HE WAS NOT CREATED ! HE IS ETERNAL THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA ! ECUAL TO THE FATHER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT !
Because he supported Jehovah Witnesses teachings.
This so stupid,,jesus is first and the last rev 1-17-18, so Michael is God,jesus is the creator,John 1:3,10, no way jesus is michael
If Jesus is Micheal that would mean Jesus is created so that's wrong since Jesus is God in the flesh and michael means like God and angels are in god's likeness
Jesus/Michael is the begotten son of God.
Jesus is the pre-human name.
Jesus is the son of God.
Begotten
The very spirit of God dwells in Jesus.
Jesus is created
Begotten. (Out of God).
The fullness of Godhead dwells in jesus
The fullness of God does not dwell in other creation, but only Jesus.
100% correct and i should know :^)
please know that this is inaccurate
Just read Hebrews 1:1_6
What was Michael doing for 33 years? Did he just manifest himself into the womb of Mary? Did he return to being Michael after Resurrection? Is Jesus then just an alias while on Earth?
Good question. Did the Son of God have a personal name before he came to earth? What was it?
He returned being Michael
Michael was with Jesus for 33 years
Protecting him from the powers of darkness.
He returned to being Michael.
The body prepared for Michael is called Jesus Christ.
So that he will destroy the powers of darkness in the form of human nature.
Isn't Lucifer the beast
Isn't Satan the dragon
Who came with the power of satan. Beast.
Study the book of revelation
If you are implying Jesus is Michael you are damning others to Hell as well as yourself for teaching a blasphemous lie
Jesus is Michael. Prove is in the bible. If Michael is not Jesus then prove it from the bible.
Who received worship from Joshua?
Isn't that the commander of the heavenly hosts.
Do angels receive worship? No
Who will rise at the end of time to redeem God's children (Israelites).
Michael
Whose voices raised the dead from the grave (1 Thessalonians)
Michael
Who destroyed the ancient serpent/dragons?.Revelation.Michael and his angel.
Who led the Israelites out of Egypt?.
God warned them to obey the voice of the angel who will not pardon any act of rebellion.
He further told the Israelites that his name is upon this angel
Bible is a mysterious book/word of God.
It is not for the carnal mind to understand the ways of the Almighty
Do you reject the Trinity?
Please do not reply with "Trinity" is not in the Bible...because neither is pioneering, kingdom hall, and the governing body (your trinity).
@@tedlee594 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19
There is a hierarchy in the spirit world.
@demikkychannel1492 Didn't answer my question
Not exactly. We do reject the way that it is taught by the Catholic Church. We believe that Jesus is God. The Father is God, The Holy Spirit is God. Hope that answers your question.
Sons of God saw that the women were fair. Jesus is the son of God and he's coming for his bride?
Allah is one.
This is sketchy!
Google rightly dividing the word of truth. Oh! And please don’t believe this garbage about Jesus and Michael being the same.
Why? Who is Jesus in heaven other than Michael?
(Revelation 12:7) And war broke out in heaven: Michael and HIS ANGELS
2 Thessalonians 1:7 .... at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with HIS POWERFUL ANGELS
How many Leaders of God' faithful angels can there be? Think.
This is false Michael the archangel was created by Jesus this is a false doctrine
Daniel 12:1-4 =
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
No way heb 1.5 clearly show jeaus not an angel.thanks