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The fact that she's wearing mouse ears and says "y'all" speaks to her credibility. This person will probably insist that Africans were the first to cross the Atlantic despite there being no archeological evidence while saying that the Roman empire never existed, despite there being archeological evidence over literally the entire ancient world.
Real scholars know Australia is the actual conspiracy, giant spiders and rats? Tiny bears? Poison Ivy like plants that drive people insane? Clearly these notions were dreamt up by a mad man and it's not a real place. 😂
You were clearly in Greece. Which is wierd because wasn't Greek what the Romans called the Hellenic(spelled wrong probably) people?(for clarity: I'm clearly joking)
I mean real or not real, they were fascists. Lets get real. She used bad language to say Rome was a great idea that really didn't come together. There were people in Rome before Rome was Rome, and many of them didn't like the idea of Rome. The germans didn't like the idea of Rome. The Gnostics didn't like the idea of Rome. Nobody liked the idea of Rome. But people are too dense to not support communism or fascism in some sense
@Swen more like being called Latin America and Latinos fell out of favor, and class wars between who is "more native" and who is "less not native". Mexico didn't want the associations and likely the grief and disease that came behind the Roman Empire either. Still managed to infect the general populace.
The most unbelievable part of this conspiracy is that the Holy Roman Empire had anywhere near the level of stability required to rewrite history on a global scale
Also that the Holy Roman Empire had anything to do with the actual Roman Empire. The reason it’s called the Holy Roman Empire was because Roman made the continent stable for centuries and when it collapsed, so did everyone else. So why not name your Empire after one the greatest to have ever existed? Everyone knows of the Roman Empire, so if they hear Holy Roman Empire, they can pretend that it’s back, just more Christian. You can even say you are descended from/successors of the great Roman Empires.
Imagine if someone created a conspiracy that the British Empire didn't exist millennia from now, their main point being that the English language was invented centuries after the period of decolonisation by Anglican priests, yet refers to it exclusively as "the British language."
... Wait, you believe British Empire actually exists? Everybody knows it is a conspiracy created by Ameircans to validate their whte supremacy and erase the real creators of the biggest empire of Victorian era: the six mime mauve lions (why else yould there be a lion a symbol of England?)
As someone that was born and raised in Rome and with a degree in classics, I agree with her: the Colosseum is a hologram, Latin doesn't exist and so Italian doesn't exist either and I speak with my family in sign language.
@@leonieromanes7265 no you fool. They did it to draw in tourists from Japan and China. Everyone knows that America was a fabrication made up by the British. Seriously, think about it. Why can't we find any books, monuments or writings from America written in American? They're all written in British.
I'm Greek and I've heard a lot of Greeks claim a lot of crazy things about ancient Greece, but even they accept that Ancient Rome existed. This TikToker is even less reliable than Greek cab drivers, and trust me, that's not an easy feat.
I find it funny that in her first video on how rome doesn't exist she uses the phrase "bread and circuses" this phrase is a translation of the latin phrase " Panem et Circenses" a phrase that the creation of is attributed to Juvenal, a Roman Poet. So she used a phrase from a roman to explain why rome didn't exist. Ingenuity at its finest!
Did you not know, bread is Panera, not Panem. Everybody knows that. The sign even has a picture of bread just so you don't have to take the time to read the word Panera. And did you not know also that Vesuvius wasn't a volcano, but a bunch of Republicans (the Romans were also Republican at one time) blowing up a Starbucks, because you know, you can't have Panera without visiting Starbucks to get that coffee club card punched to prove you bought 9, so you get one free.
I speak Spanish. Apparently I have been misled to believe my language derives from vulgar Latin. When according to this "genuis" Tiktoker my language must derive from Ancient Greek although I can't read the Greek Alphabet to save my life.
This is what happens to academia when socialists and feminists take charge. This is what National Socialist influence in archeology, anthropology and history looked like, as the Aryans who created enormous marble temples with swastikas in India became Germanic tribesmen with blond hair and blue eyes. This is how Marxists turn Aztecs into the heroes of Mesoamerica.
I think she knew where it came from.and was using that as a point toward it being fake...kinda like other conspiracy theorists think they put Illuminati triangles secretly in everything I think she believes that the phrase coming from Rome was supposed to be a hint
She’s a textbook example of this tiktoker trend of using condescension to project confidence/superiority, talking about a theory or idea they have as “obvious” or “factual” when it just comes out as rude (not to mention ignorant) and doesn’t do anything but contribute to the culture of gatekeeping
I mean that's exactly what the previous generation did with video game critics Video that pointed and laughted at very obivous blunders with a rude attitude and vocabulary
Ughhhh yep. I can’t stand TikTok and this is one of the countless reasons why. I *loathe* that little trend. TikTok is a cesspool of misinformation anyway and this just makes it worse
Honestly, even youtube isn’t immune to this. The James Somerton situation really shows this. If you don’t know, he was a youtuber who did a lot of queer history videos and was very popular until it was found out that not only was his work plagiarized, many of his videos were just… factually incorrect. For example: he claimed Radclyffe Hall had obscenity charges against her dropped because people were uncomfortable talking about lesbians in court, when in reality she was convicted and her works destroyed, he claimed that “gay night” was a Disney orchestrated event, he claimed that the SS was full of homosexuals (which at least is a more common misconception), and that the Beatles’ “I want to hold your hand” was shocking and scandalous because holding hands was dirty back then. And I want to emphasize that he was a fairly big creator in that corner of youtube, and these are just some of the blatant lies he made up. So I don’t think tiktok is alone in this, I just think that the barrier to entry for tiktok videos tends to be lower and there are a lot more tiktok creators than youtubers (just because you consume dozens of tiktok’s in the time it takes to consume a youtube video). Also, tiktok videos are easy to share and send to your friend like “omg can you believe rome isn’t real?”. But if we think of misinformation as just a problem those dumb tiktokers have, it’s easy to miss when it happens on other platforms.
As a German this is such a crazy conspiracy theory. Like every few years in cities like Mainz someone wants to dig for a new house and finds the foundation of a roman cellar or bath house or something else. And I'm sure it’s similar in other countries which were part of the Roman Empire, especially Italy.
I thought the same. Mainz must have a lot. I grew up near Aalen on the Schwäbische Alb and we have some remains of Roman border walls. Why would anyone ever believe this was fake?
Didn't you know that the spanish inquisition just went around and hid roman stuff all over europe? They did have some problems because they constantly ran into Satan who did the same with dinosaur bones.
I'm Italian, and here it is a real problem. We can't upgrade roads, build new metros, build new houses and so on because we keep finding old Roman stuff
@@2Ten1Ryu : Britta is my girlfriend . I am from Landkreis Esslingen. I have seen the kilometers long relicts of roman border walls next to village Buch with my own eyes. And Aalen ( Oahla :-)) was once garrison of a roman cavallry unit ,Ala'.
@@gioelebordin1146 sufer from succes, like oh man we have so much culture and so much to see that we cant live in compfort, ut jokes aside i totally get it just was really funny comment to me.
Agreed!!…….. as soon as I saw her I laughed my ass off and thought whoever takes her seriously needs to get their millennial heads into true research!!
@@lukewehlow838Mate, millenials are in their 30's now. This is gen z. (Although Tik Tokers tend to be a class of their own, as this one demonstrates.)
i replied to her with a publication regarding a dig I worked in about roman coins. she insulted me for "digging stuff on my own". The paper was published by the university...
True but I also don't trust the education system, especially the current one in America, not to hire people just like her to write the curriculum. If the nonsense I was taught about the American civil war in high school is enough to go on, they aren't the most capable people when it comes to teaching reliable information
is it not a regular part of the history curriculum as soon as you get that subject? :o Am not asking to sound holier than thou, am genuinelly curious. How is history taught over there? We learn it chronologically neandrethals onwards to ww2 and then moving onto history specific to your own country, in the duration from 5th grade (middleschool) to end of highschool (unless in a vocation school, then no history classes after middleschool)
Yeah... yeah, you should. As someone who comes from a country in which ancient history is taught in every school as a part of history lessons, I seriously cannot believe that it's even possible to think those civilizations didn't exist, lmao
We used to learn the history behind the ideas and events that led up to and influenced the American Revolution then we move onto the Revolution and the rest of American history, good and bad parts included. Now most American students are taught only the awful parts and being told that any kind of positive influence the United States had was either minimal or just a freakish anomaly that had nothing to do with American ideals. Any attempt to talk about the good America or any Western nation has done is met with the accusation “You are ignoring history!”
As an African historian I deal with this kind of weaponized smugnorance from bad actors far too often. Thank you for doing this video, I'm going to take a walk and try to calm down now.
Oh you mean the ones that claim "there was no such thing as an African Empire" while completely ignoring Egypt was African or that Masa Musa was a thing. Though there are the other end where the expedition Masa Musa said his predecessor started created a Mesoamerican culture and influenced the Mayans. (even though there was little evidence they even made it, and even the man himself said it was unlikely they did)
@@forickgrimaldus8301 Masa Musa definetly landed on the same caribean archipelagos as all the travelers did crossing the ocean , there is no other way around it is just ocean current and wind directions brings you there , you just need to survive long enogh ... About influencing Mayan ( or any south american culture ) thats a bit of a reach since its well established throug DNA that Polinesian did that MANY years prior , probably close to 5000 bc ... and in the same way , just survive the crossing and ocean current and winds brings you there
I'm sure people in the Conlang (constructed langauge) community can tell you about how hard it is to not only make up a langauge from thin air but also to have people acutally use and speak it on a even a local scale let alone globally
Esperanto being a prime example . When I was a teen (in the 90s) we were all told Esperanto would be the language of Europe . Never happened tho . I know some people use it but it didn’t catch on despite them pushing it so much back then 😂
I'm from Asia, so I don't know too much about ancient European history, but I do know some things 1) the Han dynasty in China, renowned as being the golden age, the zenith of ancient Chinese civilization, knew of, traded with and documented the existence of a European empire centred in Rome. So if Rome was somehow fabricated by the church, and if all evidence of Rome were fake, that would mean the Ming Dynasty Chinese would somehow agree to and be in cahoots with said Catholic church all the way in Europe and forged Han Chinese documents of a past that all of China remembered fondly 2)The Islamic Quran has entries mentioning the Roman empire as an antagonistic faction. If the whole thing is a conspiracy, that would mean the Islamic world cooperated with the Catholic church, which in the 1500s makes zero sense. 3) the Spanish inquisition's main goals were to root out non-catholics (Jews, Muslims, etc.) for being non-catholics. At the time, Islam and Catholicism were archenemies, with devoutly catholic kingdoms warring with devout Muslim empires. And it was concentrated in Iberia, hence the name 'spanish'. The reason for this is because the Iberian peninsula was only recently liberated from the Moorish empire, which had invaded centuries earlier and treated captured local Catholics terribly. The point is, the inquisition's context, modus operandi and location don't match up well with her theory that it was instead a Catholic continent-wide cover up
As a brazilian i dont really know much about ancient rome, but i did know these facts. I think you Just need to not be an ignorant to see that this " tik-toker" is insane.
The fact she thinks all these European country's could cooperate to form this vast conspiracy. Must've done it in between all the wars they were constantly killing each other with
@@slyaspie4934 this is pretty common thing amount people deeply into conspiracy theories. Occam's razor ceases to exist for them and it's suddenly more believable that literally THOUSANDS of people could seamlessly work together to achieve a goal and they could all keep it completely secret except that theorist is so super special they're the only person that EVER figured it out so buy their book pls. Its an exercise in delusion and narcissism.
"The Islamic Quran has entries mentioning the Roman empire as an antagonistic faction" and the Christian bible, which is older than the Quran, also most certainly mentions the Romans.
So that language I spent years learning was…Roman? And invented in the 1500’s? And the fact that I can understand Spanish, Italian, Romanian, Portuguese from their “Roman” roots ?! I can’t even….
@@szarekhthesilent2047 Well than which empire did lose Istanbul (Constantinople) to the Ottomans? This is also an insult to Turkish people and their history.
@@tecumsehcristero I think he means that they never called themselves that, they called themselves romans still, we made the difference after since a roman empire without rome was a lill' weird . Yet we still have the HRE which was not Holy nor Roman nor Empire, that's weird when you think about it.
@@vogel2077 well the holy roman empire was an empire though… From otto I till the 12th century they were the most powerful monarchy in europe. Why do you think it wasnt an empire?
@@ianpgmusicfanfictionart But this means arguing over terms. Infact there is the Roman version of Italian today. And there are romance languages, which you can study. Italian, Spanisch, Portuguese, French, Romanian, Catalonian and some more. And they are called Romance for a reason, because the wide spread divulgation of Latin in Europe is tied to the expansion of the Roman Empire. Latin was the official language of the Roman Empire.
As a student of history who specializes in Imperial Russia, the idea that the Romanovs wanted to hide some “Russian Horde” (gonna ignore the stereotyping of that) is laughable. If there was proof that ancestors of the Russian people ruled the world somehow that would have been a veritable gold mine for the Imperial propaganda machine. None of the tsars would have ever shut up about it. We’re also going to ignore the entire history of the Kyivan Rus and the early Slavic tribes I guess
@@GH23d7sL45 That whole area was steppe country periodically being overrun by horselord peoples, Scythians, Huns, Mongols, Cossacks etc. The Norse established trade routes to the Black Sea that became the foundation for future towns and principalities which native Slavs congregated around and Slavified.
@@ragnarrklangsrok1685 "The Norse established trade routes to the Black Sea that became the foundation for future towns" when did they do that? What century?
@@povilius When was burning and looting of Lindisfarne? Around that time, the Svea and Gothia vikings went east while the Danes and Norwegians went west.
I love how that woman simply chooses to ignore the leter "C" in "Caesar", when the ancient Greek alphabet didn't even have a "C". It went alpha, beta, gamma, delta, etc.
She didn't ignore it. She still believe it is written long after. Remember all the ancient scholors are considered greek scholors, not roman, not egyptian, not turkish.
Theres a whole chapter in the Quran about the Romans. (Literally called ‘The Romans’) That was written in the 7th century CE. So for Bear Ears conspiracy theory to be correct, the entire Muslim world would have had to be in cahoots with the Catholic Church from the inception of Islam right until the modern day. Also, the Chinese wrote about the Roman Empire during the Han Dynasty.
Oh its even worse, she often erases history by declaring places 'archeological dead zones' with no history for periods because they are inconvenient to her conspiracy. Rather famously recently she declared Iran had 'no history recorded' when it was part of the Seleucid Empire.
@@Jeddostotle7 She said nothing about fomenko??? and history is not fact based because the evidence is not there the farther back you go. fomenko is a mathematician not historian
Her three tools were deception, misinformation, condescension, and lies. Yes, the four tools, deception, misinformation, condescension, lies, and fanatical devotion to view counts. FIVE tools...
That's a hint that she's a Monty Python fan. Her humor seems similar to some of their stuff. Her argument that a column can't be a column if it has a spiral staircase cracked me up.
I have to say, as a teacher, I appreciate your criticisms of her debating style more than your expert arguments on Roman history. You are absolutely right, never let anyone talk to you like this. This tiktoker's tone is so childish its pretty much unbearable.
You've obviously not been involved with University-level Academia in the last decade or so. ;-) Pretty much anyone with any kind of "power" in any of the Humanities disciplines in Academia has this demeanor these days--if you aren't on-board with their delusional, unhinged agenda, they treat you like you are some sort of toddler, and only use snarky, ad-hominem attacks to "debate" you, because they actually believe you can't understand their logic--which is true, because no rational person with any training in actual Critical Thinking CAN understand their twisted, delusional, and unhinged "logic"...
I just found this channel, and must say I admire this Lady of the Library's patience. I would have snapped when that rude woman called someone else an armchair expert, but the Lady just shook her head and moved on.
Even we in Sri Lanka have historical records of dealings with Rome (they called our country Taprobane). These are from roughly 1500 years before the Spanish Inquisition. We had very little limited dealings with the Spanish Inquisition. By the way, I have to commend the generosity of the Spanish Inquisition in building better monuments in Rome than in their own country.
For a portuguese native it's so weird hearing someone say latin didn't exist. Portuguese was born of vulgar latin, as were other romantic languages, and in 1290 was oficialized has a national language.
This tiktoker is a racist anglo supremacist hence why she blames the Spanish (anglo culture is pride in protestantism and hatred towards catholicism) and says all the art was produced by victorians (again anglo supremacy), it's just a cope to diminish the accomplishment of "non-whites" (mediterraneans, asians, middle easterns, egyptians, american natives) similar to the "ancient aliens" theory, since us, "non-whites" (a.k.a not anglo saxon) had huge empires while the "superior anglo saxons" still lived in mudhuts, it's inconceivable for these racists to accept our history and acheivements, or accept the fact that mediterraneans conquered them.
@@chavaspada Are you familiar with her, is she really? (If so, yuck) Btw, as a Catholic, I am painfully aware of the terrible historical effects of anglocentrism, the "Black Legend", etc. They still affect out textbooks in the US! And I doubt we would have sh*tty horror movies about stuff like possessed nuns without it.
... she mentioned Dendrochronology... Dendrochronology is specifically doing an estimation based on visible growth rings in wooden structures compared to core samples from other trees in the area, it has literally nothing to do with testying Papyrus, parchment, or paper.
Carbon dating is used for paper/papyrus and organic matter in general. That tik tok woman is just continuing the trend to try and erase and/or vilify European culture and history.
@@maxjohnson1758 Perdon my ignorance; is the word "vilify" related to "villain"? this is not my first language, never heard the word before, but I prefer to ask a human than ask Google.
I live in Bologna, which is the cradle of the Etruscan (and most probably Roman) civilisation. We literally cannot have a metro because EVERY SINGLE TIME someone starts to dig below the city, a new previously unknown Roman era archaeological site pops up out of nowhere.
They're all Greek, or Phoenician, didn't you know? ^.^ You just think that they're Roman because you have been brainwashed into believing in the Roman Empire conspiracy. Well, according to her, that is ...
@@haraldschuster3067I hate that the Victorians and Spanish Inquisitioners wanted to make us believe that the glorious Graeco-Phoenician Empire never existed. Blurp flurgleder Θώθ sixos lilacos mimos lionos 𐤒𐤓𐤕𐤇𐤃𐤔𐤕 bleep blorp -Homer, Graeco-Phoenician Emperor speaking the Graeco-Phoenician-Basque-Icelandic pidgin
It’s true, my parents-in laws live in Anzio, on their street nobody can build anything anymore, every time a shovel goes in the ground something ancient comes out. That damn Nero.
I’m sorry, that has to be frustrating. I would think people of the past would understand that at some point we have to move forward. I love history but I am able to live my life without being stopped by it.
I'm Italian. I'm not feeling insulted at all. I'm just so pissed that in high school I had to study and translate both greek and latin language and was never able to figure out that they were the same language! Shame on me! About Dante... He was so ahead of his time that it is not a surprise that he could refer to a language invented hundreds of years after is death! And use it too (Dante wrote in latin a great deal of works). As a matter of fact, is flattering for us italians her amazing idea that we could persuade all of europe (and not only europe) to participate in our great fictional project and disseminate roman artifacts all over a continent, write on the bible about the roman interference in jesus trial, build a wall in the middle of uk and name it from some Adrian guy (a waiter in the disneyromancircus, I suppose), and gain the astounding cooperation of a volcano in covering the great fictional set of pompei!! Ok that was not so nice from us, all those actors burned alive maybe were not necessary... But hey! According to this lady "italians are fascists" so it all makes sense. 🤦
I'm amazed that apparently all the Victorians knew Hebrew. You know, a dead language at the time usually only spoken with any regularity by rabbi and was constantly under threat with each genocide and exile of the jews... But apparently "the Victorian's" really just had that language as a trendy knowledge?
Victorians could be quite antisemitic. Hebrew, a Semitic language. I’m really doubting they’d dedicate years of time to learn a language very different from English. What would the point be anyway?
Almost shocked that you didn't go into her assertion that Jesus Christ's name actually means "Clitoris Healer" in ancient Greek-- or the suggestion that Alexander The Great was a woman because why else would Alexandria be called AlexandrIA? Those are the ones that just floored me. Absolutely surreal.
@@Skullnaught Look up the Insider article "A history TikToker's viral claim that Ancient Rome 'didn't exist' is getting backlash from academics". In the end, there are links to two of her tiktoks about clitoris healer and Alexandra The Greatess that made me have to sit down and recover from pure bewilderment.
You are exactly the epitome of someone I’d imagine named Lady of the Library and I love it. Also, considering that Spanish is a Romance language (yknow, derived from Latin) and there are 22 Spanish speaking countries on this planet, you’d basically be telling everyone of Latinx heritage that their language and the foundations their culture was built on is not real 😭
I think it's so funny and frustrating when Bear-Ears points out the similarities between the Latin, Greek, and Phoenician alphabets like it's some kind of epic own. It's not exactly a secret that the Latin alphabet was derived from the Greek alphabet, and if you do any amount of research or study on the early archaic period, you'll find that the Greek alphabet is derived from the Phoenician alphabet! It's not a secret or any evidence of a conspiracy, just a natural consequence of how alphabets and languages evolve.
@@Aar1sW Latin alphabet is derived from the Greek alphabet through the Etruscans, specifically from a Western variant rather than the version we are familiar with
People like you speak with an exaggerated Ego, and assume your educated, but your not. Latin derives from Etrucian, not Greek. There was no "Greek" nation, until 1832 A.D. Ancient Greece and Rome were fabricated histories.
"aha gotcha, Spain never existed till the 1900s dumbass, because spanish it's very clearly just italian everything Spanish predating 1900 is just Italian, the land we think was "Spain" is actually just Italy 😑🙄"
I can literally go for a 20 minute walk here in the U.K. and find Roman pottery sticking out of the ground. It’s all over the damn place. Whoever fabricated this conspiracy did a great job of hiding Roman coins all over our countryside too 😂
Also it's pretty charitable to say she "wasn't able to find more information", as opposed to she literally did not even try because conflicting information is bad for her narrative.
Excellent video, thank you very much. I would like to point out, though, that not only far right people change history, but the far left as well. "There is no history before 1917" is a prime example of this attitude, courtesy of the Bolsheviks. Once again, thank you very much.
I especially like how Chaucer would have to be clairvoyant so he could write "..so sweetly that all the chamber rang/And "Angelus ad Virginem" he sang..." over a century before the TikToker claims Latin was created.
When I was a teenager visiting Rome I had to hide behind a column to laugh at the American tourist who genuinely said “do you think they found one pillar here and built the rest as a tourist attraction?” Never knew that person went on to be a Tiktoker
I don’t think that means they were doubting the existence of Rome… that’s a common tourism tactic. Embellish reality a little to make it sell better. They probably just weren’t expecting to see so much so close together. In America, our historical sites are pretty sparse. Why assume the worst and then paint other, unrelated ppl with that brush? You were immature to laugh and haven’t matured since, it looks like
@@indeliblyronnie Wow, I was with you until you decided to belittle Molybdomancer for a perfectly reasonable reaction to a ridiculous question. Have you been to Rome? The number of ruined structures is incredible, and thinking that someone would’ve (or even could’ve) built all that just for tourism is completely absurd.
@@indeliblyronnie How is laughing about that stuff immature? This is objectively hilarious. Laughing is the most lighthearted and least mean response I could think of in such a situation.
Apparently, she's given up on "deconstructing" the Roman Empire. Her recent videos have been about singing duets, her sexuality, and dancing the Macarena.
She's a perfect example of the mindset of "critical theorists": no knowledge is real, everything is only power, math is racist, etc. To the point of absurdity.
I'd like to see how she explains documents from the Han Dynasty detailing architecture, customs, culture, flora and geography before Spain even existed. Unless of course the Chinese dynasties were gifted with incredible foresight and have been in on it this whole time.
the chinese secretly invented spain just for this purpose. its a massive conspiracy going back thousands of years before rome. c'mon, it is so obvious.
You see, it wasn’t foresight, they were just doing a little alt universe fiction. The Spanish then got the idea from there. “Hey Hernando, check this shit it’s fire” “Pablo, this is great, we should make an ARG based on this” BTW these are direct translations of excerpts from the correspondence between a merchant and a priest dating back from, you guessed, the 1500s CHECKMATE ROMANITES!
@@DesolatedChild018 you almost made me wake my roommate from that CHECKMATE ROMANITES how dare you bless us with spontaneous refferences to Louisiana based historians
Imagine my surprise being an archaeologist that specialises in Roman history and the Roman military to hear that Rome and Romans never existed. Those pesky monks must have been wizards who somehow planted archaeological features and artefacts within undisturbed stratigraphic layers. Well they fooled me!
The Vatican sent their most elite squad of "Archeological ninja monks" they were trained in secret in the hidden dojo under teh Holy city. I know, I used to be one of the masonic guard posted inside to protect our secrets!
right?? i mean you cant take a step in europe without falling over something roman, i have a feeling she has no grasp on the absolutely gigantuous amounts of extant materials, architecture and literature from that time. faking all of that would have been a coordinated undertaking never again seen on this continent. and for what? for a claim on the ruling over europe? it would have been so much easier to just come up with a different story.
It's pretty impressive that not only did the Spanish Inquisition get the monks and nuns to scatter coins, pottery and other stuff ACROSS Europe but they ALSO managed to convince the Han Dynasty to agree to the conspiracy, along with the Arabs/Muslims, they ALSO managed to convince a volcano to bury TWO villages (Pompeii and Herculaneum). That's some impressive conspiracy creating. Bear Ears is a tool. And not a useful one, more like one of those where you open the toolbox and say "what the hell is this for?"
"Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities Can Make You Commit Atrocities" Voltaire. After decades of aggressive anti intellectualism we are really reaping the consequences.
@@jayeisenhardt1337 You call it soft science, but is not science at all, but I see your point. Edit: Now that I read your comment again, it's not academia spouting nonsense, is this kind of clout chasing quack.
I think the best and most universal argument against any conspiracy theory like this is simply the question "Why?" Why would anyone put so much effort into faking an entire civilization? How would that benefit them? Would that benefit be greater than the effort put in? Does it logically make sense for them to do so? Most conspiracies completely fall apart once you start asking why.
It works very well for people that are a bit lost. But those that a fallen deep in conspiracy theory have something to answer this question, it is part of their conspiracy theory. It is a very bad reason but they will hang on to it.
I became a fan of yours the second you said you were not going to mention their name or website. Thank you. As a fellow historian, mine is just an M.A. - I’m so envious you were able to do a PhD. Good on you. Let’s just remember this tiktoker is American. In my experience, they barely know American history & geography let alone world history & geography - ancient history & geography? Terra incognita.
It's beautifully ironic how she called the stories of the Roman empire's culture "bread and circuses" when that phrase came about based on our knowledge of the Roman empire's culture.
History of gladiators few decades ago: Slaves and poor people who were forced to participate to this sadistic bloodsports for the rich people enterntainment... Every fight in Coliseum ended with slaughter of the failed gladiators.. History of gladitors decade ago: A respected profession similar to modern day sports that gave people like slaves and the poor a change to gain enough money to start a new life as a free person... Majority of deaths were accidental.. History now: Rome is fake so were gladiators.
2 questions for this tiktoker: Does she know Rome is still a city that exists in Italy today? Also... Her Disney World analogy still reiterates that Rome was a real historical place regardless of anything else with the information surrounding it. Disney World is a real place in Kissimmee, Florida, USA... Does she know she contradicted herself there??
I live your delivery, and I gotta say I also love how your aware of the way that when people share info, they should pay attention to how they disperse their info. You know the value of quality delivery, and a lot of people these days will try to be blunt thinking that will help their message get across, when in reality they need to be BOLD not blunt, it helps them work on their approach when speaking to people. Edit: I appreciate you defending the truth of history, keep doing your thing because people will become ignorant of the weight of history❤😊😊
@@bobbybalogne2565 no, it would 3ven be a contest. Tyson has been doing ot far longer and is far better at it than any of those stains to the boxing industry will ever be.
It is laughably easy to prove the volcanic activity in Pompeii. The ground is littered with igneous rocks, particularly pumice. And I mean LITTERED with it, to the point it may as well be used as gravel. "When you went to Pompeii, did you pay attention?" Clearly one of us didn't.
I could feel my blood pressure rising with each TikTok clip 😅 just so upsetting for those people who may come across this rubbish and believe it. So disrespectful to so many people
I'm Italian. Like most italians, my native languages are two: regular Italian and my local "dialect". Each region of Italy has a local vernacular language, a dialect, which evolved from Latin, independently from Italian. these are spoken informally and passed down orally within the family. So bear ears isn't just insulting italian, but also dozens of languages that evolved FROM LATIN alongside "standard" italian.
As somebody who knows nothing but standard British (Australian) English I have been fascinated by the idea of regional dialects. My wife was born in Australia but both of her parents were immigrants from Italy. Her mother's family are from Apulia so she has always spoken that region's dialect at home and with her nonna. Her father is Sicilian and she can hardly understand the Italian spoken by his family. She never learnt the standardised Italian and so when she goes back to Italy often people there are fascinated by how she speaks. They say she speaks "old" lol
And the languages that it (and its derived languages) influenced significantly, particularly West-Germanic languages (the obvious one being English, but the other ones as well) and to a degree also Slavic languages, Arabic, Turkish, Greek etc. even distant languages like Japanese have some influence that can be traced back to Latin. Like the word ランプ (rampu), which was introduced by Dutch, which borrowed it from French, which borrowed it from Latin (which borrowed it from Greek, but ssh no one needs to know). Other ones like this include レンズ (renzu - lens); ピンセット (pinsetto - pincet; tweezers); ポンプ (ponpu - pomp/pump), which is also originally from Ancient Greek; there are many other words like this and this has reached Japan all through Dutch, a West-Germanic language.
The fact that you were able to address the spurious nature of her arguments, which she delivered in the most egregiously condescending manner imaginable, without becoming jaded speaks volumes about your intellectual & ethical capacity. You have earned my respect & admiration. Pseudo-intellectualism is rampant. It mimics intellectual argumentation, but is demonstrably unsound, once deconstructed. Unfortunately, it sounds convincing to laymen & so it propagates itself rather easily amongst less knowledgeable people.
I talked to a French guy once who was refinishing his basement, broke up the concrete and found Roman tiles underneath. He had to report it to authorities and archaeologists came to his house and he had to stop working on his basement
A roman villa was found in South wales in 1850, when they dug it up they realised it was ancient British so they filled it back in, it was dug up several times over 200+ years and in the end ordered to be destroyed, this is because it did not fit the narrative of everything being roman, welsh is the oldest language in the world and britin in the 4th century was pretty advanced, julius ceaser tried twice to invade britain and failed as the Britons had chariots that did 40+ miles an hour and cut the roman ranks to shreds julius ceaser stated he wish he gad a thousand Britons in his ranks, 2 other roman generals tried and failed........this lady is more right than wrong about the romans
Pretty much anywhere in Europe South of the Danube from Scotland to the coast of the Black Sea and across much of North Africa from Morocco to Jordan, you kick over a rock and find a Roman ruin. Which also raises the question, how did the Spanish inquisition convince the Islamic world to play along with this conspiracy?
@@deanmorgan7011 Welsh the oldest Language in the world? By what standard? Welsh is, correct me if I am wrong, Indo-European. Basque is a non-indoeuropean language. Therefore, shouldn't Basque be older than Welsh? Is any language even old? Look how English sounded 500 years ago, is this still the same language? So go and find sources how Welsh sounded 500 years ago, or thousand (I assume you speak Welsh, making such ridiculous claims are seldomly made about other cultures than the own) and see if you still understand it.
I wonder what she makes of the Book of Kells. It is an 8th Century manuscript of the Gospels and is written in Latin, a language that the TikToker claims would not be invented for another 7 centuries.
Clearly, it was written in High Valyrian by a Thai nun during the Victorian era where people got drunk and ran through ancient sites doing graffiti on them lol
I love it when actual scholars, who are experts in their fuelt completely obliterate conspiracy theorists. It's the same, with flat earthers. Actually at first I thought "why is she wasting her time debunking obvious idiots?" but then I realised, she just loves history and likes to educate others. And that's exactly what she's doing. I love history too. I'm not an expert however. But I love getting educated on history! Especially when it's presented in a very understandable and sympathetic way. And actually debunking someone who gets even the basics wrong, is a great way to explain to laymen like me. Thank you so much for your effort! I learned a lot, it's fascinating! ❤
Same, we know this tiktok fool is just another idiot who has gained some notoriety. Should be ignored, hopefully she'll go away, alas it would seem there is a very large amount of people who just believe all this bulls*** and don't have the wherewithal to seek out the actual evidence. Perhaps its the fluffy ears and dog nose that convinces them.?
I am quite a fan of actual debunking videos because they can, when well done, present valuable information about a topic in ways that are easily digestible for the non-specialist in a way that is memorable. I’m kinda leaning towards the idea that entry-level university courses might be better served with this kind of approach.
As a professional geologist the claims she makes about the eruption made my eye twitch. If you didn’t bring up the paper you did, I would have. Ash from the eruption has been found very far.
I asked her how she explains the existence of my country that is literally named after the Roman Empire, and the fact that this Roman heritage helped us in history by making alliances with Italy especially, and her response?? "The Wallachians decided they were 'descended from Rome' in the 1500's." Someone get this woman off the internet before I do.
That isnt even consistent with her own theory that the Roman Empire was invented in the 1800s! And how does she explain the linguistic simmilarities between Romanian and the other latin languages, Portuguese, Italian, Spanish....?
@@marinaschulz3183 idk man, but her answer kind of erases the Moldavians and Transylvanians and the whole 'Oh, yea, the Romanians just decided they were of Roman descent' really plays into the Immigrationist theory that Romanians weren't actually first in Transylvania because according to certain people, they weren't 'assimilated by the Romans', a theory which impacted the social and political life of Romanians living in Transylvania at the time the 'theory' emerged. (Her first mistake is assuming that the Christian denominations stand each other enough to lie about the same thing, honestly.)
Yeah, right, the pretty illiterate (at that time) inhabitants of Moldova and Wallachia were struck by this idea right at 1500. In one day they woke up and said: From now on, we are the descendants of Rome! I don't care what other people say! IT'S DECIDED!
@@eduardmacovei4732 Yeah, as if my ancestors didn't have better things to worry about. It's not like the Hungarians and the Ottomans were constantly at our doors looking for the opportunity to invade them.
As someone studying history, it is so frustrating to deal with people like this. She has nothing but her ego backing up her arguments, not to mention it’s almost like she’s trying to make herself look like the fool with the “uwu” bear ears and calling Latin freakin Roman.
You'd think if they could invent the Latin language from scratch they would have made it more compatible with dactylic hexameter, or was that just a cruel prank on the early modern fraudster tasked with writing the Aeneid. "Hey John, the Pope and for some reason people in Russia, have decided we need to write an epic poem in the style of Homer. We've picked you to write it." "Wow, that's a tall order, but I've been studying Greek for years, I'll give it my best attempt" "Oh, you won't be writing it in Greek..."
@@ajenduoludare8672 But it was not invented out of thin air but from the still used liturgical language of the Jews and only modern vocabulary added and (maybe, I am no expert on Hebrew, I only learnt a little Arab and am generally interested in Languages) grammar simplified
@@PropagandalfderWeiße It's more in depth then that. Modern Hebrew combines not only the liturgical sources, but also pigeon languages which incorporated Hebrew sounds, as well as with a forms of Arabic which was commonly spoken by Jews and of course Yiddish.
Linguistically speaking, reverse engineering a language so that it appears that many modern languages are derived from it, is a more impressive feat than all the architecture they forged.
@@beth7935 Although I think in some way this person should be stopped, making spreading misinformation illegal would be a bad idea, because who gets to decide what is misinformation? It could easily lead to governmental censorship by whatever party is in power. This was one of the problem with the Soviet Union, as Stalin was put in a similar position.
@@beth7935 I’m sure your intentions are honorable but for the reasons Micah Bonewell cited and because it would be unconstitutional (at least in the United States) the fact that you think spreading misinformation should be illegal and that at least four people agreed with you is extremely concerning to me. I’m not in favor of spreading misinformation but if you make one kind of speech illegal then you no longer have freedom of speech. What if a party comes to power that only wants you to hear its propaganda so it labels truth as lies and forbids dissent? We’ve already seen certain social media platforms frivolously labeling inconvenient information, as misinformation simply because they didn’t want it getting out. They hire “fact checkers” with an agenda and without proper qualifications to suppress factual information and opinions that they deem inappropriate simply because they disagree with it or find it threatening. The Biden administration even tried to institute a 1984 style “Ministry of Truth”. They didn’t call it that of course but that’s what it was. They were going to put that lady who thinks she’s Mary Poppins in charge. Freedom of speech is very important and making the government the arbiter of truth is very dangerous. The only way I can see to battle misinformation is to counter it with correct information the way Lady of the Library is doing here. It’s very unfortunate but the world is, always has been and likely always will be flawed. There’s no way to make it foolproof. People need to learn to think critically rather than just believing what they see on the news, what their favorite politicians say or what they see on the internet (especially on TikTok🙄).
This person is absolutely a narcissist and manipulator. She is playing this angle to get views and controversy. It drives interactions and those generate income. She is a massive troll. Thank you for giving a real point of view and refusing to give her the recognition or links to give her views.
Excellent response video! Can you please do one on the "Tartarian Empire" conspiracy? By the way, your time stamp image for "The Altar of Mercurius Gibrinius" is incredibly creepy---it shows the tiktoker emerging from behind you like some Japanese horror monster.
I never comment on videos, but after watching this I have too. I have seen the original TikTok on this and was just looking at responses to it. In yours I can say that I have finally seen the most intelligent, in depth , well thought out, and most importantly civilized response. You never once lowered yourself to her level or rudeness, and for that you are a credit to UA-cam. I don't subscribe to channels, but I will to yours. Thank you for amazing content
This was well done. I would also recommend Metatron's criticism of the same tiktok creator. He is a native Italian so he has a different perspective, but still reaches the same overall conclusions.
This tiktok girl is a perfect example what's wrong with people nowadays. I've learned to study more then one source before making up my mind and decide how things are or probably are. This Tiktoker is reading a series of books, written by a single person with an agenda and now she thinks she's knows everything about the matter. This is lazy as heck. Even if the writer were a serious scientist, the chances that he/she is wrong about certain things are very big and to read other materials written by other schoolers would just help to understand the whole thing. Sorry, I'm not a native English speaker but I hope you guys understand what I mean...
@@Spielername you’re spot-on with your comment. Funny thing is, I’m fairly certain that the scientific and historic communities are based on several observations and checking each other’s work. Whomever Bear Ears based their “knowledge” off of probably didn’t have other professionals to help fact-check. 👍🏻
@@Spielername I agree- as a non-historian, I know I'm prone to "one-book syndrome", when a theory _seems_ great, but only cos I haven't read anything else on the topic. (Also, your English is perfect, & you explained your point perfectly too.)
For even more dishonesty, I offered them a summary of the Greek portion of the Res Gestae that they showed, because it’s an account of Roman conquests and mentions Rome by name 2 lines above where the image cuts off, which you’d think they’d know I’d they actually could read Greek as they claim. They deleted most of my comment thread and then when someone asked for an elaboration on the original comment (which they left up, presumably to make it look like I was making a baseless claim) and I offered that elaboration again and said it was deleted the first time, they blocked me.
I have found this technique used across UA-cam almost completely in the last two years. The comments are always edited to hide the Cultural Marxist agenda.
@@goofinhiemer1153 Maybe don’t react to a dumb conspiracy theory by propagating an equally dumb and incredibly anti-Semitic conspiracy theory like cultural Marxism. And don’t pretend these tactics aren’t a staple of right-wing rhetorical strategy as well.
She's calling people who respond to her comments armchair experts while filming videos in her bedroom. I guess she believes irony doesn't exist either.
Here you go assuming this lady has enough class to be sitting in a "chair" and not "on top of a stack of milk crates she stole from behind 7-11 a couple of years ago when her and her friends got really, _really_ high one night."
Thanks for taking the time to debunk this absurd nonsense. I really think the current vogue for conspiratorial thinking might be the end of us! The effort required for thorough debunking is so great that few are willing or able to get involved, understandably so in many cases when people have much better and more productive ways to spend their time. What a world.....
It seems a key characteristic of conspiracy theory is that it cannot be countered with contrary evidence because that is in itself proof of the conspiracy. As kids we might put our fingers in our ears and "lalalalala" as loudly as possible so as not to hear the dreaded command to "go to bed!". This is the grown up version of that.
Wow, sometimes TikTok can be so toxic. This reminds me of that time that really young people on TikTok insisted that Helen Keller was made up because “disabled people can’t do all those things”. Disturbing...Thank you for this video!
Helen Keller surely was surely not made up, since her existence is well documented - but some argue that her caretaker Anne Sullivan seems to have taken some liberties in translating Keller to the world around her, exploiting her and using the power dynamic between the two as leverage to spread her own opinions. I do not know enough about it to take any sides in this matter but the little I read about it, it did not seem unplausible.
But Anne Sullivan was not the target of that particular TikTok trend - Helen Keller was. And the insinuation was that Helen Keller couldn’t be real because disabled people couldn’t possibly be able to do all of those things. Which is extremely toxic. What kind of message does that send out to disabled people, especially the young disabled peers of those TikTok users, to spread such nasty ideas? The message is hateful and bullying regardless of whether or not you really believe Helen Keller existed.
@@alexandrialeonora6542 That is indeed terrible, I am not contesting that. But with internet trends in general and maybe TikTok in particular, not much surprises me these days. I guess I'm just jaded. But to clarify, you are absolutely correct.
@@CarlReijer-lk2nt I actually agree with you, personally, and that's why I don't use it. But I know there are a lot of people who love it, and they aren't toxic, so that's basically what I mean with the "sometimes" bit, haha.
Y'know, before the internet, a person with unwashed hair wearing fake bear ears and capping off her rant about how the Roman Empire never existed with "It's a circus, man!" would've had no platform but the local park bench.
There's always the radio though. Radio (especially in the US) gave voice to people like her before the internet. And lets not forgett books like those written by von Däniken.
@@sisuguillam5109 . and pamphlets, newspapers, etc. Herbert W. Armstrong's Good News Magazine dragged many a reader down a rabbit hole. Look up William Miller and the Great Disappointment in 1844. Miller had 100,000 followers (like 800,000 today), all believing the world would end exactly on October 22, 1844. People are just gullible.
@@denisdooley1540 that they are. Or not in a position to know better due to lack of education, access to information, the way how and where they were raised... Thank you for the tip!
@@denisdooley1540 But even then there was a steeper barrier of entry. Ink and paper cost money pixels are cheap. Plus you have to convince someone to pick up the copy. Her, I deeply hesitate to call it a theory, delusion wouldn't even make it to the third page of Weekly World News.
As someone currently living in Rome, and looking at the Colosseum right now this is truly both fascinating and disturbing. Did she think we built the damned thing ourselves to fool the world or something? Ahahah
What disturbs me the most about conspiracy theories is that no matter how insane they sound to anyone willing to question them, even a little bit, there will always be people who believe them for no reason at all except to maybe be contrarians, to suit their own personal biases/agenda, or to profess that they're "awake" while everyone else are sheep/asleep/etc. Thank you so much for all of the hard work you do! Your videos have taught me so much - I love history and learning and truly enjoy everything you do. If you haven't already done one, I would love to see a video on the Library of Alexandria or even just on ancient libraries!
You have far more patience and tact than most. I can’t even bear (pun intended) to listen to this person on account of how insufferably arrogant they are; let alone sit through possible hours of having watch these videos repeatedly, in order to understand and refute her arguments made from shear ignorance. I commend you for the suffering you had to endure for our sake, and the quality of the content you produce.
During my undergrad degree, I studied the hundred years war fairly extensively. One of the major inspirations for military leaders of the 14th century was Vegetius, a roman author of the 5th century. It would be rather odd to find chroniclers of the 14th century and prior referring to a highly influential roman source in their writings had Rome 'never existed' lol.
the whole idea that HRE and the Spanish Inquisition somehow would have the power to establish such a myth (while failing to prevent Protestantism) is far more bizarre.
@@Nonsense010688 It's also bizarre that the Orthodox would supplicate themselves so neatly to the Catholic desires... while under Ottoman occupation, one which their leaders even claimed to *_favour_* over being ruled by the Papacy. And that the Greeks would even call themselves Ρωμιοί! (Romans.) As in, the people of ROME.
Just wondering: if ancient Rome didn’t exist and latin was invented in 1500, what language did the students of my university speak back in the day? I live in Bologna, Italy, and our university is the oldest one in Europe (1088).
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As a linguist, I'd point to the modern Romance languages. We know that they have a common ancestor, and because we know how fast language change generally happens, we can estimate how long ago their common ancestor lived, which is much earlier than when she claims Latin was invented. In addition, we have old Latin loan words in other languages, that can be dated to have entered the other languages during the Roman era, by comparing them to other loan words and sound changes in the languages. Regardless of if there was a Roman Empire, there for sure was an influential language spoken at that time, which evolved into the modern Romance languages. This was ridiculous but super entertaining in its absurdity, thanks for covering it!
Came here to say this, thank you! It's even more ironic that she speaks English, a language that maybe isn't Romance per se, but has been influenced by Romance Languages way before the "15th century" and contains sooo many words of Latin origin. It's ridiculous.
Yeah but French isn't really a Romance langauge, its a Breton & Germanic langauge. That's why their pronunciation is radically different from Portugese, Romanian, Spanish, Italian. So that's where you're theory is flawed. Old latin derived from Yamia-INDO EUROPEAN languages (near Ukraine and Black Sea region). Latin was birthed in Rome however it was Etruscans who were native to Rome and it was a non indo european language. There is a debate s to whhere Etruscan possibly derived from Hittite family tree - like near Turkey or it could be of Celt origin. Its not the other way around. This would make these languages influenced at a much earlier date back to the Yamnia days not Roman latin days, hence why there is still debate i the Balkans on if the Ancient Greeks and Macedonials were originally Slavic or Mediternian. and why French sounds nothing like Spanish, Hence why Russian has a lot of common words with Portugese( European not Brazilian) and Spanish that did not come from Roman contact. The proof is all there.. if you want to believe the mainstream narrative so be it. But if you start studying langauges, history and start noticing trends theres a different story. I'm not debating Rome existed but their influnce to the languages of Western and eastern europe is really overrated. It most likely came from Yamnia and the Wendls are proof of this. Now the real question should be where tf did the ETRUSCANS come from? And Why is French in the same family as Spanish italian and portugese and romanian when French is clearly a German-Cornish hybrid trying to speak Portugese and botching the pronuncation.
Is it just me or does the womans whole argument against Rome wittle down to, "church bad victorians bad therefore Rome isnt a thing." Swear to God thats the only real thing I get when she sums it up.
I wanna see this TikTok lady argue with one of the people who claims Christianity was invented by Emperor Constantine, that'd be a funny debate. "Rome was invented by the Church" vs "The Church was invented by Rome" lmao
@@CollinBuckman not so false tho. Emperor Constantine quite "created" Christianity during the Nicean Council by deciding which Vangelis where right and which were not (this is why there are so called Vangeli Apocrifi, sorry don't know hot to translate that) because he quite needed the assistance of the church cause the empire weren't in all that good shape at the time
As an university student from Italy which is currently studying Ancient Mediterranean History,, this whole conspiracy makes me laugh A LOT, but I am kinda curious. I would love to read a fantasy book from them, it would definitely be awesome if they have this much fervid imagination!
EXACTLY. We all love escapism and creativity but there's a line between fantasy and reality. I love the wild theories but I don't wanna endorse conspiracy theorists 😂
And sadly her parents, this is not the dissertation of a well-attended and nurtured child. Imagine the cynical psuedo-intellectualism neccesary to attract the attention of parents mired in their own self pity due to being unrewarded for their own supposed career specific brilliance.
One of the funniest things about this is her complete disregard that you don't need a unique alphabet to have a language. The Romans could've written Latin in the Greek alphabet and it still wouldn't prove anything. Unless she read that it was distinctly Greek....it still would only prove you found a Greek language tablet from the time. The Roman Empire could have just spoken Greek. Even if Latin was somehow invented later, it wouldn't prove Rome didn't exist, it would just change their language. They could still have a distinct culture.
these are the same people that are spreading flat earth. They are called masons and are possessing people through airwaves. They eventually want to make you believe that there was never a Jesus Christ of nazareth
It's worth noting that Greek was widely spoken across the empire as well, particularly in the east, for obvious reasons, so finding Greek writing proves literally nothing.
As italian I find all of this really hilarious: even my tiny town of 40 000 has got plenty of Roman rests to have a museum 🤣, and I live in northern Italy! I used to live in a really small municipality before that (around 3000) and the parish church was built over an ancient Roman temple that went to ruins, so when the floor "sunk" and the restaurations took part, all works stopped for months becouse they found a bunch of archeological reperties 🤣.
Of course, all these so-called "Roman" findings under the floor of the church have been placed there by some Spanish inquisitor. And if you deny that, you are part of the conspiracy. once more proof of the existence of the conspiracy. );
I have not been to your beautiful country, but I remember reading somewhere that the drain covers have SPQR in the molding, Its a really cool thing (I know those covers are not from way back then!) A visual reminder of what your ancestors gave to the world.
In Segovia spain ,,there is a acueducto Romano ,but in a library with old books here you can see very clear the acueducto was built in 1523 not in Roman period ,so why the lie ? And the coliseum the gray cisterns ,not a circus but a tank of water ?
@@hernandemornay7559 well, I would like to see this book, that, suppossedly proofs your claim. Because that is wild, claiming that all historical scholars did not realize that and misdated this aqueduct by more then 1000 years. But even if it were true: what does one building demonstrate? There are thousands of them... are they all misdated?
Hello! I just saw the title of this video and I HAD to watch it. First time viewer. Wow! Bear Ears is a real piece of work isn’t she? 😮 I completely agree with you that she is hard to listen to. So condescending and yet so ignorant. Quite a combination. Now I don’t hold a degree, but I’ve always been fascinated with archaeology and ancient civilizations. I was even lucky enough to take a year of Latin in high school. So I must say your translation about Caesar made way more sense than some miming purple lions. 😂😂😂 That was too funny! She sounds American and based on other things I’ve seen where random people from the US are quizzed about things outside their country, many of them (not all - I realize some are highly educated) haven’t got a clue about world history, geography, or languages other than English and Spanish.
"Romans never existed!" "Latin was invented by the vatican" I guess all the neolatin languages are all a mass hallucination, in Italy we actually speak japanese and lie about our ancient sites for shits and giggles.
Yeah, no, I can confirm, as a soon-to-graduate-from-university Brazilian linguist, I can confirm that Portuguese is just weird Russian and that is the real reason we're in the BRICS economic bloc alongside Russia
An interesting sign of a not-very-well-thought-out conspiracy theory is the way they respond to evidence with two different, conflicting explanations. She says the writing is Greek, not Latin, AND she says it hasn't been tested (so might be a fake). In her worldview, if it were genuine, it would be written in Greek or something, and if it were fake, it would be written in the "fake" language Latin. Even if she's right, both explanations can't be true. But she offers both without the slightest bit of consideration. edit: she does it again with the headstone where she says it's got a mishmash of different scripts on it, which means it can't possibly be translated. and then she says it's a gravestone for pompeii itself, and a joke, which logically implies she could read it.
Yeah. Mixing very different languages would make the writing untranslatable but somehow she knew what it said? Nonsense. Plus… I don’t see any Hebrew but I am pretty rusty
I think the technical term is "covering your ass". She is trying to discredit the evidence any way she can so she is using arguments that gives her layers of defense. "It's not latin it's obviously Greek, even if it's indisputable that it's Latin it's not tested to see when it was made." She is not aware this ideas are contradicting because she is focused on her outs.
As an amateur interested in historical linguistics, I can't stand people who willfully (or ignorantly) spread lies about where languages come from. With only a tiny amount of base knowledge about how languages change, such as regular sound changes, it's blatantly obvious that, for example, the romance languages are all related and developed from Latin. The sheer amount of evidence we have is irrefutable. Thank you for this!
@@ThorfinnJaeger and most of the ones that did follow very predictable patterns. Like, so predictable that even if we didn't have any records of latin, we would be able to recreate it (albeit imperfectly) by comparing all the romance languages. The amount of ignorance needed to come up with these ideas is mind-boggling.
But exactly, that's the point, they used the Romance languages to create Latin! It's basically like Esperanto! Don't you people see it? You've been lied to! Jokes aside, you cannot argue with people believing in conspiracy theories. They always find some bullshit to demonstrate they're right, if only to themselves. THEY are the ones believing an irrefutable theory, which is a bad thing in any research field. Theories need to be refutable; otherwise, anyone can come up with an irrefutable theory and, as nonsensical as it is, they can't be proven wrong. A good theory must say "If this kind of data is found, then the theory is wrong", not "You cannot prove the theory wrong and whatever data you come up with, I will refute it, even in the most weird and roundabout way".
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Go research tartaria it's on every map until the 1870s fascinating stuff
The fact that she's wearing mouse ears and says "y'all" speaks to her credibility. This person will probably insist that Africans were the first to cross the Atlantic despite there being no archeological evidence while saying that the Roman empire never existed, despite there being archeological evidence over literally the entire ancient world.
@@Inspector-Chisholm what?
Real scholars know Australia is the actual conspiracy, giant spiders and rats? Tiny bears? Poison Ivy like plants that drive people insane? Clearly these notions were dreamt up by a mad man and it's not a real place. 😂
@UCe0aVPRk9izhFWWrh_vZLrw say what? Lol
Me, an Italian born and raised in Rome, going on a walk: damn, I must be hallucinating again
Italy doesn't exist either. It's part of Russia. Obviously.
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You were clearly in Greece. Which is wierd because wasn't Greek what the Romans called the Hellenic(spelled wrong probably) people?(for clarity: I'm clearly joking)
Yeah, Hollywood did a good job in italy creating movie sets that look like old ruins.
Get on your meds dude
The fact that she calls the language “Roman” instead of Latin says a lot about her credibility. Kudos to you!
Numbers are written in Latin using Roman Numerals. Why aren't they called Latin Numerals?
I mean real or not real, they were fascists. Lets get real. She used bad language to say Rome was a great idea that really didn't come together. There were people in Rome before Rome was Rome, and many of them didn't like the idea of Rome. The germans didn't like the idea of Rome. The Gnostics didn't like the idea of Rome. Nobody liked the idea of Rome. But people are too dense to not support communism or fascism in some sense
What can we really ask for?
@Swen more like being called Latin America and Latinos fell out of favor, and class wars between who is "more native" and who is "less not native". Mexico didn't want the associations and likely the grief and disease that came behind the Roman Empire either. Still managed to infect the general populace.
@@stahu_mishima Do you think the lady in the kitty ears was considering that when she made that statement?
The most unbelievable part of this conspiracy is that the Holy Roman Empire had anywhere near the level of stability required to rewrite history on a global scale
I mean.. they did with Christianity but they certainly didn't make up the Roman Empire lol xD
@@doggolovescheese1310 they mean the Byzantine empire
There's nothing "holy" about the Roman Empire!
yeah, they were the craziest bunch of Holy Romans to ever gang around kinda France, and Italy, but also Germany!
Also that the Holy Roman Empire had anything to do with the actual Roman Empire. The reason it’s called the Holy Roman Empire was because Roman made the continent stable for centuries and when it collapsed, so did everyone else. So why not name your Empire after one the greatest to have ever existed? Everyone knows of the Roman Empire, so if they hear Holy Roman Empire, they can pretend that it’s back, just more Christian. You can even say you are descended from/successors of the great Roman Empires.
Imagine if someone created a conspiracy that the British Empire didn't exist millennia from now, their main point being that the English language was invented centuries after the period of decolonisation by Anglican priests, yet refers to it exclusively as "the British language."
... Wait, you believe British Empire actually exists? Everybody knows it is a conspiracy created by Ameircans to validate their whte supremacy and erase the real creators of the biggest empire of Victorian era: the six mime mauve lions (why else yould there be a lion a symbol of England?)
And Brexit was just a fever dream of a minor politician out for himself. Imagine
Sorry. Just not over it. Heh heh heh heh heh
In fact now I know that I am traumatized. 😂
@@outlawJosieFox So this is humor nowadays
Lowkey it is so wholesome and faith restoring knowing one of the oldest documents we have from Rome is a birthday party invitation.
It’s so beautiful to know that so far back in history, people were still people.
@@nickmanzo8459 we have ancient carvings at a high point of a cave reading "this is very high"
@@nickmanzo8459 yep more you learn sbout history the more you realize people have always been people
@@nickmanzo8459 yep more you learn sbout history the more you realize people have always been people
@@shadowcharizard4592 one of the graffitis of pompeii is "i have a cold", it became an inside joke briefly between my friends and i
As someone that was born and raised in Rome and with a degree in classics, I agree with her: the Colosseum is a hologram, Latin doesn't exist and so Italian doesn't exist either and I speak with my family in sign language.
Oh but Italian derives from GREEK, obviously. (Lol!)
Shhh! You weren't supposed to tell them.
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Well of course the Romans built the colosseum and Forum 100 years ago to draw in American tourists. (Lol sarcasm).😁
@@leonieromanes7265 no you fool. They did it to draw in tourists from Japan and China. Everyone knows that America was a fabrication made up by the British. Seriously, think about it. Why can't we find any books, monuments or writings from America written in American? They're all written in British.
I'm Greek and I've heard a lot of Greeks claim a lot of crazy things about ancient Greece, but even they accept that Ancient Rome existed. This TikToker is even less reliable than Greek cab drivers, and trust me, that's not an easy feat.
Mother of god…
hahahah @ "This TikToker is even less reliable than Greek cab drivers, and trust me, that's to an easy feat" brilliant
@@InquisitorThomas Theotokos!
The Greeks fought a few wars against the Romans too.
Oh I’ve heard a good bit about that, the Turkish-Greek sniping about who invented what is quite something 😁
If Egypt can sue Netflix, I think Italy can sue this creature.
Go for it guys.
do it
Egypt has less proof of their chicks heritage than this furrie girl does of her claims
Frfr
Just give the message to both the Italian historian and the governor.
I find it funny that in her first video on how rome doesn't exist she uses the phrase "bread and circuses" this phrase is a translation of the latin phrase " Panem et Circenses" a phrase that the creation of is attributed to Juvenal, a Roman Poet. So she used a phrase from a roman to explain why rome didn't exist. Ingenuity at its finest!
Did you not know, bread is Panera, not Panem. Everybody knows that. The sign even has a picture of bread just so you don't have to take the time to read the word Panera. And did you not know also that Vesuvius wasn't a volcano, but a bunch of Republicans (the Romans were also Republican at one time) blowing up a Starbucks, because you know, you can't have Panera without visiting Starbucks to get that coffee club card punched to prove you bought 9, so you get one free.
I used the Roman to destroy the Romans
She's saying bred in circuses it sounds like, though. I don't even think she's saying that phrase correctly.
Everyday you learn something new, thank you for this little tidbit!
How ironic. People like her(typical neo Marxist rewriters of history and fact)are useless other than to mock. Until they get violent...
They invented Latin AND made it even seem like it is the common root for half a dozen roman languages? Kudos!
Backwards Esperanto , obviously
I speak Spanish. Apparently I have been misled to believe my language derives from vulgar Latin. When according to this "genuis" Tiktoker my language must derive from Ancient Greek although I can't read the Greek Alphabet to save my life.
World Building worthy of a Tolkien. So where are the stories?
Conspiracys are Best Debunked by Sci Man Dan, Professor Dave Explains, Hbomberguy and Joe Scott.
obviously my maternal language was made up by the Spanish inquisition and forced my ancestors to learn and speak it.
The irony, when the saying " the people want bread and circusses" actually comes from ancient Rome. These people are funny.
Panem et circenses - never existed, cites it... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is what happens to academia when socialists and feminists take charge. This is what National Socialist influence in archeology, anthropology and history looked like, as the Aryans who created enormous marble temples with swastikas in India became Germanic tribesmen with blond hair and blue eyes. This is how Marxists turn Aztecs into the heroes of Mesoamerica.
these tiktock kids are retarded
this is circuses man!
I think she knew where it came from.and was using that as a point toward it being fake...kinda like other conspiracy theorists think they put Illuminati triangles secretly in everything I think she believes that the phrase coming from Rome was supposed to be a hint
She’s a textbook example of this tiktoker trend of using condescension to project confidence/superiority, talking about a theory or idea they have as “obvious” or “factual” when it just comes out as rude (not to mention ignorant) and doesn’t do anything but contribute to the culture of gatekeeping
I mean that's exactly what the previous generation did with video game critics
Video that pointed and laughted at very obivous blunders with a rude attitude and vocabulary
Ughhhh yep. I can’t stand TikTok and this is one of the countless reasons why. I *loathe* that little trend. TikTok is a cesspool of misinformation anyway and this just makes it worse
I think a lot of really bad academia can default to this.
Honestly, even youtube isn’t immune to this. The James Somerton situation really shows this. If you don’t know, he was a youtuber who did a lot of queer history videos and was very popular until it was found out that not only was his work plagiarized, many of his videos were just… factually incorrect. For example: he claimed Radclyffe Hall had obscenity charges against her dropped because people were uncomfortable talking about lesbians in court, when in reality she was convicted and her works destroyed, he claimed that “gay night” was a Disney orchestrated event, he claimed that the SS was full of homosexuals (which at least is a more common misconception), and that the Beatles’ “I want to hold your hand” was shocking and scandalous because holding hands was dirty back then. And I want to emphasize that he was a fairly big creator in that corner of youtube, and these are just some of the blatant lies he made up. So I don’t think tiktok is alone in this, I just think that the barrier to entry for tiktok videos tends to be lower and there are a lot more tiktok creators than youtubers (just because you consume dozens of tiktok’s in the time it takes to consume a youtube video). Also, tiktok videos are easy to share and send to your friend like “omg can you believe rome isn’t real?”. But if we think of misinformation as just a problem those dumb tiktokers have, it’s easy to miss when it happens on other platforms.
@@neonradius”SS was full of homosexuals,” lmfao. Great uncle Otto must have been getting freaking back then 😅😂.
Maybe the edgy 14 yearolds on Reddit were right. Tiktok was a mistake.
Yup
What you mean they were right along
What’re you talking about 14 year olds? Boomers were hating on Tiktok back when it was still a bad party song.
It doesn't tale an edgy 14 year old to see tiktoc is a cancer on mankind.
It's crazy how people blame the platform tik tok when it's still people that say ridiculous things on the platform
The literal definition of "Damn, Olive garden is so good, I wish Italy was real"
😂
😂😂
Italians wish Olive Garden wasn’t real
@@lililive1092 i know right, I'm italien lmao
@@giuliana567 It-alien, it speaks for itself
As a German this is such a crazy conspiracy theory. Like every few years in cities like Mainz someone wants to dig for a new house and finds the foundation of a roman cellar or bath house or something else. And I'm sure it’s similar in other countries which were part of the Roman Empire, especially Italy.
I thought the same. Mainz must have a lot. I grew up near Aalen on the Schwäbische Alb and we have some remains of Roman border walls. Why would anyone ever believe this was fake?
Didn't you know that the spanish inquisition just went around and hid roman stuff all over europe? They did have some problems because they constantly ran into Satan who did the same with dinosaur bones.
I'm Italian, and here it is a real problem. We can't upgrade roads, build new metros, build new houses and so on because we keep finding old Roman stuff
@@2Ten1Ryu : Britta is my girlfriend . I am from Landkreis Esslingen. I have seen the kilometers long relicts of roman border walls next to village Buch with my own eyes. And Aalen ( Oahla :-)) was once garrison of a roman cavallry unit ,Ala'.
@@gioelebordin1146 sufer from succes, like oh man we have so much culture and so much to see that we cant live in compfort, ut jokes aside i totally get it just was really funny comment to me.
As a historian, I find her use of teddybear ears a sign of her true intellect and credibility.
Agreed!!…….. as soon as I saw her I laughed my ass off and thought whoever takes her seriously needs to get their millennial heads into true research!!
i mean the cultivation she had to acquire🤣🤣🤭
@@lukewehlow838Mate, millenials are in their 30's now. This is gen z. (Although Tik Tokers tend to be a class of their own, as this one demonstrates.)
@@sebastianb.3978 - This woman looks 30+ to me..?
@@mokarokas-1727 yes, she says she's almost 40
i replied to her with a publication regarding a dig I worked in about roman coins. she insulted me for "digging stuff on my own". The paper was published by the university...
Lol
Basically she is enemy of the knowledge
@@angelmoreno6577are you saying she's a "Templar"? 😳😳😳
She’s a good argument for bringing the study of the classics and classical civilization back to our schools.
True but I also don't trust the education system, especially the current one in America, not to hire people just like her to write the curriculum. If the nonsense I was taught about the American civil war in high school is enough to go on, they aren't the most capable people when it comes to teaching reliable information
is it not a regular part of the history curriculum as soon as you get that subject? :o Am not asking to sound holier than thou, am genuinelly curious. How is history taught over there? We learn it chronologically neandrethals onwards to ww2 and then moving onto history specific to your own country, in the duration from 5th grade (middleschool) to end of highschool (unless in a vocation school, then no history classes after middleschool)
Yeah... yeah, you should. As someone who comes from a country in which ancient history is taught in every school as a part of history lessons, I seriously cannot believe that it's even possible to think those civilizations didn't exist, lmao
We used to learn the history behind the ideas and events that led up to and influenced the American Revolution then we move onto the Revolution and the rest of American history, good and bad parts included. Now most American students are taught only the awful parts and being told that any kind of positive influence the United States had was either minimal or just a freakish anomaly that had nothing to do with American ideals. Any attempt to talk about the good America or any Western nation has done is met with the accusation “You are ignoring history!”
Hm. Maybe. But remember the quality of the American education system
As an African historian I deal with this kind of weaponized smugnorance from bad actors far too often. Thank you for doing this video, I'm going to take a walk and try to calm down now.
Smugnorance, I love it!
Oh you mean the ones that claim "there was no such thing as an African Empire" while completely ignoring Egypt was African or that Masa Musa was a thing.
Though there are the other end where the expedition Masa Musa said his predecessor started created a Mesoamerican culture and influenced the Mayans. (even though there was little evidence they even made it, and even the man himself said it was unlikely they did)
Do you study African history? Or are you an African studying history? Or an African studying African history? 🤔
@@forickgrimaldus8301 Masa Musa definetly landed on the same caribean archipelagos as all the travelers did crossing the ocean , there is no other way around it is just ocean current and wind directions brings you there , you just need to survive long enogh ...
About influencing Mayan ( or any south american culture ) thats a bit of a reach since its well established throug DNA that Polinesian did that MANY years prior , probably close to 5000 bc ... and in the same way , just survive the crossing and ocean current and winds brings you there
Smugnorance is my new favorite word, thank you so very much for introducing it to me.
I'm sure people in the Conlang (constructed langauge) community can tell you about how hard it is to not only make up a langauge from thin air but also to have people acutally use and speak it on a even a local scale let alone globally
Not to mention the trouble it is to make the conlang sound and feel like a natural language, and not some artifice!
Not to mention constructing a language that ties in so perfectly to existing languages as an origin point.
@@Ajehy what's the opposite of Occam's Razor? 😂
Esperanto being a prime example . When I was a teen (in the 90s) we were all told Esperanto would be the language of Europe . Never happened tho . I know some people use it but it didn’t catch on despite them pushing it so much back then 😂
@@rylanasher4756 hiccum's dictum!
I'm from Asia, so I don't know too much about ancient European history, but I do know some things
1) the Han dynasty in China, renowned as being the golden age, the zenith of ancient Chinese civilization, knew of, traded with and documented the existence of a European empire centred in Rome. So if Rome was somehow fabricated by the church, and if all evidence of Rome were fake, that would mean the Ming Dynasty Chinese would somehow agree to and be in cahoots with said Catholic church all the way in Europe and forged Han Chinese documents of a past that all of China remembered fondly
2)The Islamic Quran has entries mentioning the Roman empire as an antagonistic faction. If the whole thing is a conspiracy, that would mean the Islamic world cooperated with the Catholic church, which in the 1500s makes zero sense.
3) the Spanish inquisition's main goals were to root out non-catholics (Jews, Muslims, etc.) for being non-catholics. At the time, Islam and Catholicism were archenemies, with devoutly catholic kingdoms warring with devout Muslim empires. And it was concentrated in Iberia, hence the name 'spanish'. The reason for this is because the Iberian peninsula was only recently liberated from the Moorish empire, which had invaded centuries earlier and treated captured local Catholics terribly. The point is, the inquisition's context, modus operandi and location don't match up well with her theory that it was instead a Catholic continent-wide cover up
As a brazilian i dont really know much about ancient rome, but i did know these facts. I think you Just need to not be an ignorant to see that this " tik-toker" is insane.
The fact she thinks all these European country's could cooperate to form this vast conspiracy. Must've done it in between all the wars they were constantly killing each other with
@@slyaspie4934 She'll probably say the Picts in Britain built Hadrian's Wall themselves.
@@slyaspie4934 this is pretty common thing amount people deeply into conspiracy theories. Occam's razor ceases to exist for them and it's suddenly more believable that literally THOUSANDS of people could seamlessly work together to achieve a goal and they could all keep it completely secret except that theorist is so super special they're the only person that EVER figured it out so buy their book pls.
Its an exercise in delusion and narcissism.
"The Islamic Quran has entries mentioning the Roman empire as an antagonistic faction" and the Christian bible, which is older than the Quran, also most certainly mentions the Romans.
So that language I spent years learning was…Roman? And invented in the 1500’s? And the fact that I can understand Spanish, Italian, Romanian, Portuguese from their “Roman” roots ?!
I can’t even….
Latin is indeed 'Roman'. It was originally only the language of those living in the immediate vicinity of Rome (then Latium, now Lazio).
where did the Latin script we use come from??,,tik tok dulls brain matter for sure..
@@peterroberts7684 Byzantium
Same here. does that mean taht our understanding of all these languages makes us..... Romiscuous?
Her whole argument literally falls apart when you realize the Eastern Roman(Byzantine) empire was still existent when Spain was just forming.
The Byzantine Empire unironically never actually existed though.
@@szarekhthesilent2047 Well than which empire did lose Istanbul (Constantinople) to the Ottomans? This is also an insult to Turkish people and their history.
@@szarekhthesilent2047 why do you say the Eastern Roman empire didn't exist?
Who did the Arabs and Turks fight for hundreds of years?
@@tecumsehcristero I think he means that they never called themselves that, they called themselves romans still, we made the difference after since a roman empire without rome was a lill' weird . Yet we still have the HRE which was not Holy nor Roman nor Empire, that's weird when you think about it.
@@vogel2077 well the holy roman empire was an empire though… From otto I till the 12th century they were the most powerful monarchy in europe. Why do you think it wasnt an empire?
Does...does she really expect us to take seriously someone using an animal filter...?? 🤣
Exactly!
Right. Looks about 11 years old and the arrogance is beyond reprehensible.
@@johnnierichardson3289 You wanna know something scary? She's apparently 40.
@@Darkgun231 I …….. I don’t want to believe that
@@mememdetame I'm sorry, it's true.
The fact that she says "There's no Roman language" tells me everything I need to know about her.
fr 😭😭
She is technically correct. There is no Roman language. The language is Latin, The people that speak Latin were called Romans.
You see, there is no Chinese language, so China must not exist!
Romans originally live in the area of Latium in the Italian Peninsula. Henceforth, their language is called Latin.
@@ianpgmusicfanfictionart But this means arguing over terms. Infact there is the Roman version of Italian today. And there are romance languages, which you can study. Italian, Spanisch, Portuguese, French, Romanian, Catalonian and some more. And they are called Romance for a reason, because the wide spread divulgation of Latin in Europe is tied to the expansion of the Roman Empire. Latin was the official language of the Roman Empire.
As a student of history who specializes in Imperial Russia, the idea that the Romanovs wanted to hide some “Russian Horde” (gonna ignore the stereotyping of that) is laughable. If there was proof that ancestors of the Russian people ruled the world somehow that would have been a veritable gold mine for the Imperial propaganda machine. None of the tsars would have ever shut up about it. We’re also going to ignore the entire history of the Kyivan Rus and the early Slavic tribes I guess
@@GH23d7sL45 That whole area was steppe country periodically being overrun by horselord peoples, Scythians, Huns, Mongols, Cossacks etc. The Norse established trade routes to the Black Sea that became the foundation for future towns and principalities which native Slavs congregated around and Slavified.
@@ragnarrklangsrok1685 "The Norse established trade routes to the Black Sea that became the foundation for future towns" when did they do that? What century?
@@povilius When was burning and looting of Lindisfarne? Around that time, the Svea and Gothia vikings went east while the Danes and Norwegians went west.
@@ZackeTheBrute oh, okey. So it was before Lithuania was formed
@@povilius Roughly 750 AD earliest known Norse settlements along Ladoga with official start of Kievan Rus in mid-Ninth century.
I love how that woman simply chooses to ignore the leter "C" in "Caesar", when the ancient Greek alphabet didn't even have a "C". It went alpha, beta, gamma, delta, etc.
@@felixoupopote kappa?
Another word with the letter C comes to mind for some reason 😀
She didn't ignore it. She still believe it is written long after. Remember all the ancient scholors are considered greek scholors, not roman, not egyptian, not turkish.
the greek version of C was K
@@odd-arnedahle2173 well they wouldn't be Turkish as they cam after the battle manzikert in 1071 which also caused the crusades
I guess she took the saying "it's all greek to me" literally. 😂
Theres a whole chapter in the Quran about the Romans. (Literally called ‘The Romans’) That was written in the 7th century CE.
So for Bear Ears conspiracy theory to be correct, the entire Muslim world would have had to be in cahoots with the Catholic Church from the inception of Islam right until the modern day.
Also, the Chinese wrote about the Roman Empire during the Han Dynasty.
@@12pope what?
Oh its even worse, she often erases history by declaring places 'archeological dead zones' with no history for periods because they are inconvenient to her conspiracy. Rather famously recently she declared Iran had 'no history recorded' when it was part of the Seleucid Empire.
@@thenecessaryevil2634 are you kidding me!
@@colorsred2771 12pope seems to be directly parroting the "new chronology" conspiracy theory by Fomenko that the Bear Ears was drawing from
@@Jeddostotle7 She said nothing about fomenko??? and history is not fact based because the evidence is not there the farther back you go. fomenko is a mathematician not historian
I was wondering who she was going to blame for "making up Ancient Rome"...I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!
Nobody does.
And here I am, sitting in my comfy chair.
Her three tools were deception, misinformation, condescension, and lies. Yes, the four tools, deception, misinformation, condescension, lies, and fanatical devotion to view counts. FIVE tools...
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! LOL
That's a hint that she's a Monty Python fan. Her humor seems similar to some of their stuff. Her argument that a column can't be a column if it has a spiral staircase cracked me up.
I have to say, as a teacher, I appreciate your criticisms of her debating style more than your expert arguments on Roman history. You are absolutely right, never let anyone talk to you like this. This tiktoker's tone is so childish its pretty much unbearable.
You've obviously not been involved with University-level Academia in the last decade or so. ;-)
Pretty much anyone with any kind of "power" in any of the Humanities disciplines in Academia has this demeanor these days--if you aren't on-board with their delusional, unhinged agenda, they treat you like you are some sort of toddler, and only use snarky, ad-hominem attacks to "debate" you, because they actually believe you can't understand their logic--which is true, because no rational person with any training in actual Critical Thinking CAN understand their twisted, delusional, and unhinged "logic"...
@@stereodreamer23 hahahahahha. And thank God for that.
She maybe still be a child.
@@pedrocenturion7599 ...she looks at least 30
Un-Bear-able, if you will.
I just found this channel, and must say I admire this Lady of the Library's patience. I would have snapped when that rude woman called someone else an armchair expert, but the Lady just shook her head and moved on.
Even we in Sri Lanka have historical records of dealings with Rome (they called our country Taprobane). These are from roughly 1500 years before the Spanish Inquisition. We had very little limited dealings with the Spanish Inquisition. By the way, I have to commend the generosity of the Spanish Inquisition in building better monuments in Rome than in their own country.
The Spanish inquisition speared no expense in propaganda XD
Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition
portuguese inquisition feels downgraded, compared to the spanish :P🤣🤣🤣
That's because nobody expects the spanish inquisition 🤣 (sorry i can't hold my self from the monty phyton reference)
@@133774c05 LOL
For a portuguese native it's so weird hearing someone say latin didn't exist. Portuguese was born of vulgar latin, as were other romantic languages, and in 1290 was oficialized has a national language.
Just ignore them.. these types in America usually have the other characteristics that most would see as a liability..
Yeah, I assume any philologists watching the videos were either laughing or holding their heads while screaming
This tiktoker is a racist anglo supremacist hence why she blames the Spanish (anglo culture is pride in protestantism and hatred towards catholicism) and says all the art was produced by victorians (again anglo supremacy), it's just a cope to diminish the accomplishment of "non-whites" (mediterraneans, asians, middle easterns, egyptians, american natives) similar to the "ancient aliens" theory, since us, "non-whites" (a.k.a not anglo saxon) had huge empires while the "superior anglo saxons" still lived in mudhuts, it's inconceivable for these racists to accept our history and acheivements, or accept the fact that mediterraneans conquered them.
@@chavaspada Are you familiar with her, is she really?
(If so, yuck)
Btw, as a Catholic, I am painfully aware of the terrible historical effects of anglocentrism, the "Black Legend", etc.
They still affect out textbooks in the US!
And I doubt we would have sh*tty horror movies about stuff like possessed nuns without it.
@@melissasaint3283 No, I don't know her personally but the way she speaks and how her "theory" is based it just screams anglocentrism to me.
... she mentioned Dendrochronology... Dendrochronology is specifically doing an estimation based on visible growth rings in wooden structures compared to core samples from other trees in the area, it has literally nothing to do with testying Papyrus, parchment, or paper.
But it has six syllables!
Carbon dating is used for paper/papyrus and organic matter in general. That tik tok woman is just continuing the trend to try and erase and/or vilify European culture and history.
@@maxjohnson1758
Perdon my ignorance; is the word "vilify" related to "villain"? this is not my first language, never heard the word before, but I prefer to ask a human than ask Google.
@@31tentacles yeah it means 'to be painted as a villain'
Usually it is used when the accusations are untrue/slanderous
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I live in Bologna, which is the cradle of the Etruscan (and most probably Roman) civilisation. We literally cannot have a metro because EVERY SINGLE TIME someone starts to dig below the city, a new previously unknown Roman era archaeological site pops up out of nowhere.
DANG
They're all Greek, or Phoenician, didn't you know? ^.^ You just think that they're Roman because you have been brainwashed into believing in the Roman Empire conspiracy. Well, according to her, that is ...
@@haraldschuster3067I hate that the Victorians and Spanish Inquisitioners wanted to make us believe that the glorious Graeco-Phoenician Empire never existed.
Blurp flurgleder Θώθ sixos lilacos mimos lionos 𐤒𐤓𐤕𐤇𐤃𐤔𐤕 bleep blorp
-Homer, Graeco-Phoenician Emperor speaking the Graeco-Phoenician-Basque-Icelandic pidgin
It’s true, my parents-in laws live in Anzio, on their street nobody can build anything anymore, every time a shovel goes in the ground something ancient comes out. That damn Nero.
I’m sorry, that has to be frustrating. I would think people of the past would understand that at some point we have to move forward.
I love history but I am able to live my life without being stopped by it.
I'm Italian. I'm not feeling insulted at all. I'm just so pissed that in high school I had to study and translate both greek and latin language and was never able to figure out that they were the same language! Shame on me! About Dante... He was so ahead of his time that it is not a surprise that he could refer to a language invented hundreds of years after is death! And use it too (Dante wrote in latin a great deal of works). As a matter of fact, is flattering for us italians her amazing idea that we could persuade all of europe (and not only europe) to participate in our great fictional project and disseminate roman artifacts all over a continent, write on the bible about the roman interference in jesus trial, build a wall in the middle of uk and name it from some Adrian guy (a waiter in the disneyromancircus, I suppose), and gain the astounding cooperation of a volcano in covering the great fictional set of pompei!! Ok that was not so nice from us, all those actors burned alive maybe were not necessary... But hey! According to this lady "italians are fascists" so it all makes sense. 🤦
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Matta da legare , questa . E che faccia da SCHIAFFI ! Sissi , tutti i nostri antenati , cosa , non son mai esistiti ??
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@Roygbiv Etruscan isn't related to Latin or Greek, and Latin is closer to Celtic Languages and Germanic Languages than it is to Greek.
I'm amazed that apparently all the Victorians knew Hebrew. You know, a dead language at the time usually only spoken with any regularity by rabbi and was constantly under threat with each genocide and exile of the jews... But apparently "the Victorian's" really just had that language as a trendy knowledge?
At least it’s not that basilisk speak we know as Welsh…..
Seriously how is that still a thing?
Yeah, they spoke a language that was reconstructed in the 1920s, they had a time machine obviously
Victorians could be quite antisemitic. Hebrew, a Semitic language. I’m really doubting they’d dedicate years of time to learn a language very different from English. What would the point be anyway?
@@_letstartariot to trick modern historians obviously
@@Kaanfight🇬🇧 *The long ruse in a long game* 🇬🇧
Almost shocked that you didn't go into her assertion that Jesus Christ's name actually means "Clitoris Healer" in ancient Greek-- or the suggestion that Alexander The Great was a woman because why else would Alexandria be called AlexandrIA?
Those are the ones that just floored me. Absolutely surreal.
Wait WHAT
She has an actual degree doesn't she? She went to a college and came out like this.
@@MarketableUsername some people did some digging and its likely she lied about her degrees
@@Skullnaught Thank god, but with these modern universities you never know.
@@Skullnaught Look up the Insider article "A history TikToker's viral claim that Ancient Rome 'didn't exist' is getting backlash from academics".
In the end, there are links to two of her tiktoks about clitoris healer and Alexandra The Greatess that made me have to sit down and recover from pure bewilderment.
You are exactly the epitome of someone I’d imagine named Lady of the Library and I love it. Also, considering that Spanish is a Romance language (yknow, derived from Latin) and there are 22 Spanish speaking countries on this planet, you’d basically be telling everyone of Latinx heritage that their language and the foundations their culture was built on is not real 😭
When you get to the endgame with Speech maxed out and took all the obscure but powerful Reading perks
I think it's so funny and frustrating when Bear-Ears points out the similarities between the Latin, Greek, and Phoenician alphabets like it's some kind of epic own. It's not exactly a secret that the Latin alphabet was derived from the Greek alphabet, and if you do any amount of research or study on the early archaic period, you'll find that the Greek alphabet is derived from the Phoenician alphabet! It's not a secret or any evidence of a conspiracy, just a natural consequence of how alphabets and languages evolve.
Aren't both Greek and Latin are derived from Phoenician? Even though Latin probably also had been heavily influenced by Greek at later times.
@@Aar1sW Latin alphabet is derived from the Greek alphabet through the Etruscans, specifically from a Western variant rather than the version we are familiar with
People like you speak with an exaggerated Ego, and assume your educated, but your not. Latin derives from Etrucian, not Greek. There was no "Greek" nation, until 1832 A.D. Ancient Greece and Rome were fabricated histories.
"aha gotcha, Spain never existed till the 1900s dumbass, because spanish it's very clearly just italian everything Spanish predating 1900 is just Italian, the land we think was "Spain" is actually just Italy 😑🙄"
Duning-Kruger Effect
I can literally go for a 20 minute walk here in the U.K. and find Roman pottery sticking out of the ground. It’s all over the damn place. Whoever fabricated this conspiracy did a great job of hiding Roman coins all over our countryside too 😂
No lie. We still have bits of Hadrian’s Wall. True dedication to litter an entire island. 🤣😂 Omg I hate TikTok & this new generation.
No one noticed the Spanish inquisition building hadrians wall ! 🤔🤦♂️
Pottery and roman coins can exist, its just dated incorrectly
@@Queenmariacorvinus In fairness, there are plenty of boomer conspiracy theorists, I don't think we can blame gen z for this
@@chrishayhurst3005 You only see what you expect to see. And no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
I'll see myself out.
Also it's pretty charitable to say she "wasn't able to find more information", as opposed to she literally did not even try because conflicting information is bad for her narrative.
Excellent video, thank you very much. I would like to point out, though, that not only far right people change history, but the far left as well. "There is no history before 1917" is a prime example of this attitude, courtesy of the Bolsheviks.
Once again, thank you very much.
@@rudylutz2085 did you mean to put this on a reply to a comment here?
Yea pretty much any unstable belief system or belief crumbles under and therefore refuses to acknowledge opposing information.
@@rudylutz2085 yikes
I especially like how Chaucer would have to be clairvoyant so he could write "..so sweetly that all the chamber rang/And "Angelus ad Virginem" he sang..." over a century before the TikToker claims Latin was created.
When I was a teenager visiting Rome I had to hide behind a column to laugh at the American tourist who genuinely said “do you think they found one pillar here and built the rest as a tourist attraction?” Never knew that person went on to be a Tiktoker
My friend "why did they built the Alamo in the middle of the city"?
Oh my gosh… as an American I apologize for the stupidity of some of my fellows. The rest of us try, we try so hard… 😭
I don’t think that means they were doubting the existence of Rome… that’s a common tourism tactic. Embellish reality a little to make it sell better. They probably just weren’t expecting to see so much so close together. In America, our historical sites are pretty sparse. Why assume the worst and then paint other, unrelated ppl with that brush? You were immature to laugh and haven’t matured since, it looks like
@@indeliblyronnie Wow, I was with you until you decided to belittle Molybdomancer for a perfectly reasonable reaction to a ridiculous question. Have you been to Rome? The number of ruined structures is incredible, and thinking that someone would’ve (or even could’ve) built all that just for tourism is completely absurd.
@@indeliblyronnie How is laughing about that stuff immature? This is objectively hilarious. Laughing is the most lighthearted and least mean response I could think of in such a situation.
Apparently, she's given up on "deconstructing" the Roman Empire. Her recent videos have been about singing duets, her sexuality, and dancing the Macarena.
Let me guess, a lesbo.
She's still doing it she's created a second account because her first got blocked
oh no, she's now making stuff up about British Archaeology. As someone with an archaeological background, I can tell you she's full of sh*t
She's a perfect example of the mindset of "critical theorists": no knowledge is real, everything is only power, math is racist, etc. To the point of absurdity.
@@FlavoredPanda76 Lmao rip bozo
I'd like to see how she explains documents from the Han Dynasty detailing architecture, customs, culture, flora and geography before Spain even existed. Unless of course the Chinese dynasties were gifted with incredible foresight and have been in on it this whole time.
They had 1500s vision
the chinese secretly invented spain just for this purpose. its a massive conspiracy going back thousands of years before rome. c'mon, it is so obvious.
You think China exists? Sheeple. (/s)
You see, it wasn’t foresight, they were just doing a little alt universe fiction. The Spanish then got the idea from there.
“Hey Hernando, check this shit it’s fire”
“Pablo, this is great, we should make an ARG based on this”
BTW these are direct translations of excerpts from the correspondence between a merchant and a priest dating back from, you guessed, the 1500s
CHECKMATE
ROMANITES!
@@DesolatedChild018 you almost made me wake my roommate from that
CHECKMATE ROMANITES
how dare you bless us with spontaneous refferences to Louisiana based historians
She’s like the flat earther of history 😂
The fact that you cited your sources while also admitting that you (may have) made mistakes says a lot regarding your credibility. Well done. 👍
Thank you (:
@@CinziaDuBois you’re most welcome 😊
Indeed, respecting the scientific process and giving an opening to falsification, as scientific argumentation should be!
Imagine my surprise being an archaeologist that specialises in Roman history and the Roman military to hear that Rome and Romans never existed. Those pesky monks must have been wizards who somehow planted archaeological features and artefacts within undisturbed stratigraphic layers. Well they fooled me!
The Vatican sent their most elite squad of "Archeological ninja monks" they were trained in secret in the hidden dojo under teh Holy city. I know, I used to be one of the masonic guard posted inside to protect our secrets!
Of course it was wizards. What else could it possibly be? /s
I wonder how those Catholic Monks convinced the Orthodox Greeks to call themselves Rhōmaîoi.
@GOTL8 get over yourself freak
@@blixer8384"trust me dude, it's gonna be hilarious"
Justinian: say no more
That tiktoker is the epitome of "tell me you've never been in Europe without telling me you never have been in Europe"
Who gives a sh*t about Europe, anyway?
right?? i mean you cant take a step in europe without falling over something roman, i have a feeling she has no grasp on the absolutely gigantuous amounts of extant materials, architecture and literature from that time. faking all of that would have been a coordinated undertaking never again seen on this continent. and for what? for a claim on the ruling over europe? it would have been so much easier to just come up with a different story.
@@ig14tesjahrhundert79 who does she think built that massive building in the middle of Rome called the Colosseum? Aliens?
@@jamiengo2343 i think she says that it was built by the greeks ? or that’s what she seems to have said about most roman architecture
@@rcic3706 Because the roman empire spread through Europe and left ruins everywhere from Wales to Germany.
It's pretty impressive that not only did the Spanish Inquisition get the monks and nuns to scatter coins, pottery and other stuff ACROSS Europe but they ALSO managed to convince the Han Dynasty to agree to the conspiracy, along with the Arabs/Muslims, they ALSO managed to convince a volcano to bury TWO villages (Pompeii and Herculaneum). That's some impressive conspiracy creating. Bear Ears is a tool. And not a useful one, more like one of those where you open the toolbox and say "what the hell is this for?"
There’s probably people out there that believe in Atlantis but think Rome was made up.
Both are most definitely real. However the real Atlantis has nothing to do with what pop culture likes to depict it as.
@@HerbaMachina Atlantis was made up by Plato. Cities sink though and there may be an actual power that Atlantis was based off of.
@@SoakintheSchadenfreude Atlantis wasnt "made up" by Plato. Show me a source of literature where Plato pulled Atlantis out of his ass
@@vanguardoftruth4166 show me any document or evidence for Atlantis from before Plato. You can’t, but I’ll wait.
@@vanguardoftruth4166 The Timaeus and the Critias, where Plato actually says it’s fictional and that he made it up as a thought example
"Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities Can Make You Commit Atrocities" Voltaire. After decades of aggressive anti intellectualism we are really reaping the consequences.
I can kinda understand why there is anti intellectualism when the soft sciences and academia spout off nonsense just like this all the time.
@@jayeisenhardt1337 You call it soft science, but is not science at all, but I see your point.
Edit: Now that I read your comment again, it's not academia spouting nonsense, is this kind of clout chasing quack.
I think the best and most universal argument against any conspiracy theory like this is simply the question "Why?" Why would anyone put so much effort into faking an entire civilization? How would that benefit them? Would that benefit be greater than the effort put in? Does it logically make sense for them to do so? Most conspiracies completely fall apart once you start asking why.
Something Something, the USA isn't founded based on Roman Law?
That's a way to debunk a lot of conspiracy theories. Especially the more outlandish ones like Chemtrails.
Which is why such theorists block / vilify any opposition. Too many people thinking about the "why" causes problems.
It works very well for people that are a bit lost. But those that a fallen deep in conspiracy theory have something to answer this question, it is part of their conspiracy theory. It is a very bad reason but they will hang on to it.
Lost in the sauce. If it can be done it will be done
I became a fan of yours the second you said you were not going to mention their name or website. Thank you. As a fellow historian, mine is just an M.A. - I’m so envious you were able to do a PhD. Good on you. Let’s just remember this tiktoker is American. In my experience, they barely know American history & geography let alone world history & geography - ancient history & geography? Terra incognita.
It's beautifully ironic how she called the stories of the Roman empire's culture "bread and circuses" when that phrase came about based on our knowledge of the Roman empire's culture.
lol right??? It's times like this I wish time travel was an actual thing :p
@@Callimo she wouldn't last a minute against the circus lions. That makes for a poor show ;)
@@SonsOfLorgar and if they were lilac or mauve and mining?
I thought that was a intentional jab but perhaps I'm giving her more credit than she deserves
History of gladiators few decades ago:
Slaves and poor people who were forced to participate to this sadistic bloodsports for the rich people enterntainment... Every fight in Coliseum ended with slaughter of the failed gladiators..
History of gladitors decade ago:
A respected profession similar to modern day sports that gave people like slaves and the poor a change to gain enough money to start a new life as a free person... Majority of deaths were accidental..
History now:
Rome is fake so were gladiators.
I could've gone my entire life without knowing this person existed, and been happier for it.
I know. I've seen two of my tubers do it.
Agreed 🥴🥴🥴
Agreed T__T
lmao true story
I say that about alot of people online lol. People are not people anymore. It’s why society is collapsing.
2 questions for this tiktoker:
Does she know Rome is still a city that exists in Italy today?
Also...
Her Disney World analogy still reiterates that Rome was a real historical place regardless of anything else with the information surrounding it. Disney World is a real place in Kissimmee, Florida, USA... Does she know she contradicted herself there??
she probably thinks it was built back in the 1700’s to make us believe in rome.
@@juzahyodo that or it was built by Greeks
Ant the Disney, ones quite a lot! 🤣
> Does she know Rome is still a city that exists in Italy today?
It's the damn capital lol
Disney world isn’t in Kissimmee it’s in Orlando but to be more precise lake buena vista area. But I agree with the rest
I live your delivery, and I gotta say I also love how your aware of the way that when people share info, they should pay attention to how they disperse their info.
You know the value of quality delivery, and a lot of people these days will try to be blunt thinking that will help their message get across, when in reality they need to be BOLD not blunt, it helps them work on their approach when speaking to people.
Edit: I appreciate you defending the truth of history, keep doing your thing because people will become ignorant of the weight of history❤😊😊
She has bear ears and makes her arguments on TikTok. How are you not convinced?
Some people just don't want to see the truth.
Btw, did you know the earth is hollow and inhabited by giants?
@@ResidentRibug just one giant, but it's like REALLY giant.
@@ostentatious_patronizer lol
LOL....... that's what i said
It's the equivalent of a neckbeard and fedora wearing nerd talking about flat earth. Not a good look.
Its a striking difference when you see a genuine historian or intellectual versus a fake.
It's like seeing Tyson Fury taken on a youtuber or even an amateur boxer.
@@joshc1981 well that hasn’t happened yet so we don’t know
@@bobbybalogne2565 no, it would 3ven be a contest. Tyson has been doing ot far longer and is far better at it than any of those stains to the boxing industry will ever be.
she was high on spices
you can tell they're intellectual because they use smart words. Yeah.
It is laughably easy to prove the volcanic activity in Pompeii. The ground is littered with igneous rocks, particularly pumice. And I mean LITTERED with it, to the point it may as well be used as gravel. "When you went to Pompeii, did you pay attention?" Clearly one of us didn't.
Whats the proof Pompeii was buried in 79AD, and not in the 17th century? Check the work done by Andreas Tschurilow
I don't think she ever stepped outside her door, nevermind travelling.
I could feel my blood pressure rising with each TikTok clip 😅 just so upsetting for those people who may come across this rubbish and believe it. So disrespectful to so many people
I'm Italian. Like most italians, my native languages are two: regular Italian and my local "dialect". Each region of Italy has a local vernacular language, a dialect, which evolved from Latin, independently from Italian. these are spoken informally and passed down orally within the family. So bear ears isn't just insulting italian, but also dozens of languages that evolved FROM LATIN alongside "standard" italian.
OOH THATS SO COOL
Very cool. Also... Bear ears is a great insult for her...
She also forgets that English has tons of Latin in it has well.
As somebody who knows nothing but standard British (Australian) English I have been fascinated by the idea of regional dialects. My wife was born in Australia but both of her parents were immigrants from Italy. Her mother's family are from Apulia so she has always spoken that region's dialect at home and with her nonna. Her father is Sicilian and she can hardly understand the Italian spoken by his family. She never learnt the standardised Italian and so when she goes back to Italy often people there are fascinated by how she speaks. They say she speaks "old" lol
And the languages that it (and its derived languages) influenced significantly, particularly West-Germanic languages (the obvious one being English, but the other ones as well) and to a degree also Slavic languages, Arabic, Turkish, Greek etc. even distant languages like Japanese have some influence that can be traced back to Latin. Like the word ランプ (rampu), which was introduced by Dutch, which borrowed it from French, which borrowed it from Latin (which borrowed it from Greek, but ssh no one needs to know).
Other ones like this include レンズ (renzu - lens); ピンセット (pinsetto - pincet; tweezers); ポンプ (ponpu - pomp/pump), which is also originally from Ancient Greek; there are many other words like this and this has reached Japan all through Dutch, a West-Germanic language.
The fact that you were able to address the spurious nature of her arguments, which she delivered in the most egregiously condescending manner imaginable, without becoming jaded speaks volumes about your intellectual & ethical capacity.
You have earned my respect & admiration. Pseudo-intellectualism is rampant. It mimics intellectual argumentation, but is demonstrably unsound, once deconstructed. Unfortunately, it sounds convincing to laymen & so it propagates itself rather easily amongst less knowledgeable people.
^^^^
My Thesaurus and I, couldn't have stated it better.
Yes, words.
I believe Pseudo-Intellectualism would be called the Dunning-Kreuger Effect.
@@ShadowReignhart it could also be called pseudo intellectualism
I talked to a French guy once who was refinishing his basement, broke up the concrete and found Roman tiles underneath. He had to report it to authorities and archaeologists came to his house and he had to stop working on his basement
A roman villa was found in South wales in 1850, when they dug it up they realised it was ancient British so they filled it back in, it was dug up several times over 200+ years and in the end ordered to be destroyed, this is because it did not fit the narrative of everything being roman, welsh is the oldest language in the world and britin in the 4th century was pretty advanced, julius ceaser tried twice to invade britain and failed as the Britons had chariots that did 40+ miles an hour and cut the roman ranks to shreds julius ceaser stated he wish he gad a thousand Britons in his ranks, 2 other roman generals tried and failed........this lady is more right than wrong about the romans
@@deanmorgan7011 WE WUZ SHEEPSHAGGERS
Pretty much anywhere in Europe South of the Danube from Scotland to the coast of the Black Sea and across much of North Africa from Morocco to Jordan, you kick over a rock and find a Roman ruin.
Which also raises the question, how did the Spanish inquisition convince the Islamic world to play along with this conspiracy?
@@deanmorgan7011 Welsh the oldest Language in the world? By what standard? Welsh is, correct me if I am wrong, Indo-European. Basque is a non-indoeuropean language. Therefore, shouldn't Basque be older than Welsh? Is any language even old? Look how English sounded 500 years ago, is this still the same language? So go and find sources how Welsh sounded 500 years ago, or thousand (I assume you speak Welsh, making such ridiculous claims are seldomly made about other cultures than the own) and see if you still understand it.
@@PropagandalfderWeiße wrong
I wonder what she makes of the Book of Kells. It is an 8th Century manuscript of the Gospels and is written in Latin, a language that the TikToker claims would not be invented for another 7 centuries.
Clearly, it was written in High Valyrian by a Thai nun during the Victorian era where people got drunk and ran through ancient sites doing graffiti on them lol
I love it when actual scholars, who are experts in their fuelt completely obliterate conspiracy theorists. It's the same, with flat earthers. Actually at first I thought "why is she wasting her time debunking obvious idiots?" but then I realised, she just loves history and likes to educate others. And that's exactly what she's doing. I love history too. I'm not an expert however. But I love getting educated on history! Especially when it's presented in a very understandable and sympathetic way. And actually debunking someone who gets even the basics wrong, is a great way to explain to laymen like me. Thank you so much for your effort! I learned a lot, it's fascinating! ❤
Same, we know this tiktok fool is just another idiot who has gained some notoriety.
Should be ignored, hopefully she'll go away, alas it would seem there is a very large amount of people who just believe all this bulls*** and don't have the wherewithal to seek out the actual evidence.
Perhaps its the fluffy ears and dog nose that convinces them.?
I am quite a fan of actual debunking videos because they can, when well done, present valuable information about a topic in ways that are easily digestible for the non-specialist in a way that is memorable.
I’m kinda leaning towards the idea that entry-level university courses might be better served with this kind of approach.
She says in the video that she's doing it to help combat the dangerous use of misinformation and skewing of history.
@@DneilB007 It's almost like the conspiracy nuts are giving actual academics easy bullet points for discussion.
As a professional geologist the claims she makes about the eruption made my eye twitch. If you didn’t bring up the paper you did, I would have. Ash from the eruption has been found very far.
The last eruption was in 1944, the eruption that finally covered Pompeii was in 1631. It says so on the stone tables from the 17th century.
I asked her how she explains the existence of my country that is literally named after the Roman Empire, and the fact that this Roman heritage helped us in history by making alliances with Italy especially, and her response??
"The Wallachians decided they were 'descended from Rome' in the 1500's." Someone get this woman off the internet before I do.
That isnt even consistent with her own theory that the Roman Empire was invented in the 1800s!
And how does she explain the linguistic simmilarities between Romanian and the other latin languages, Portuguese, Italian, Spanish....?
@@marinaschulz3183 idk man, but her answer kind of erases the Moldavians and Transylvanians and the whole 'Oh, yea, the Romanians just decided they were of Roman descent' really plays into the Immigrationist theory that Romanians weren't actually first in Transylvania because according to certain people, they weren't 'assimilated by the Romans', a theory which impacted the social and political life of Romanians living in Transylvania at the time the 'theory' emerged.
(Her first mistake is assuming that the Christian denominations stand each other enough to lie about the same thing, honestly.)
Yeah, right, the pretty illiterate (at that time) inhabitants of Moldova and Wallachia were struck by this idea right at 1500. In one day they woke up and said: From now on, we are the descendants of Rome! I don't care what other people say! IT'S DECIDED!
@@eduardmacovei4732 Yeah, as if my ancestors didn't have better things to worry about. It's not like the Hungarians and the Ottomans were constantly at our doors looking for the opportunity to invade them.
@@Nana-gm5zv I know, they are my ancestors too 🤣🤣
As someone studying history, it is so frustrating to deal with people like this. She has nothing but her ego backing up her arguments, not to mention it’s almost like she’s trying to make herself look like the fool with the “uwu” bear ears and calling Latin freakin Roman.
Inventing a language is hard work, and getting people to agree on rules/standards even harder. Just look at what happened to Esperanto🤣
Modern Hebrew was invited in the 19th Century.
You'd think if they could invent the Latin language from scratch they would have made it more compatible with dactylic hexameter, or was that just a cruel prank on the early modern fraudster tasked with writing the Aeneid.
"Hey John, the Pope and for some reason people in Russia, have decided we need to write an epic poem in the style of Homer. We've picked you to write it."
"Wow, that's a tall order, but I've been studying Greek for years, I'll give it my best attempt"
"Oh, you won't be writing it in Greek..."
@@ajenduoludare8672 But it was not invented out of thin air but from the still used liturgical language of the Jews and only modern vocabulary added and (maybe, I am no expert on Hebrew, I only learnt a little Arab and am generally interested in Languages) grammar simplified
@@michaelkenner3289 You are too intelligent for the Internet..... seriously, Thank You!
@@PropagandalfderWeiße It's more in depth then that.
Modern Hebrew combines not only the liturgical sources, but also pigeon languages which incorporated Hebrew sounds, as well as with a forms of Arabic which was commonly spoken by Jews and of course Yiddish.
Linguistically speaking, reverse engineering a language so that it appears that many modern languages are derived from it, is a more impressive feat than all the architecture they forged.
Exactly, that was one of my first thoughts! (After "wtf is she smoking??" & "can we please make spreading misinformation illegal?")
@@beth7935 Although I think in some way this person should be stopped, making spreading misinformation illegal would be a bad idea, because who gets to decide what is misinformation? It could easily lead to governmental censorship by whatever party is in power. This was one of the problem with the Soviet Union, as Stalin was put in a similar position.
@@micahbonewell5994
Yes 👍
@@beth7935
I’m sure your intentions are honorable but for the reasons Micah Bonewell cited and because it would be unconstitutional (at least in the United States) the fact that you think spreading misinformation should be illegal and that at least four people agreed with you is extremely concerning to me.
I’m not in favor of spreading misinformation but if you make one kind of speech illegal then you no longer have freedom of speech. What if a party comes to power that only wants you to hear its propaganda so it labels truth as lies and forbids dissent? We’ve already seen certain social media platforms frivolously labeling inconvenient information, as misinformation simply because they didn’t want it getting out. They hire “fact checkers” with an agenda and without proper qualifications to suppress factual information and opinions that they deem inappropriate simply because they disagree with it or find it threatening. The Biden administration even tried to institute a 1984 style “Ministry of Truth”. They didn’t call it that of course but that’s what it was. They were going to put that lady who thinks she’s Mary Poppins in charge. Freedom of speech is very important and making the government the arbiter of truth is very dangerous. The only way I can see to battle misinformation is to counter it with correct information the way Lady of the Library is doing here.
It’s very unfortunate but the world is, always has been and likely always will be flawed. There’s no way to make it foolproof. People need to learn to think critically rather than just believing what they see on the news, what their favorite politicians say or what they see on the internet (especially on TikTok🙄).
This person is absolutely a narcissist and manipulator. She is playing this angle to get views and controversy. It drives interactions and those generate income. She is a massive troll. Thank you for giving a real point of view and refusing to give her the recognition or links to give her views.
You should hear her trying to gatekeep Judaism from Jews...I wish I was joking
@Brian Walters I wish you were too, sadly. The lady is wild
@@bw5020 watching this video I was wondering when this TikTok lady was gonna go either Holocaust denial or Christian identity.
She needs to be removed from ticktok
I used to have a problem with how little Tik-Tok pays their creators, now I'm grateful.
Excellent response video! Can you please do one on the "Tartarian Empire" conspiracy? By the way, your time stamp image for "The Altar of Mercurius Gibrinius" is incredibly creepy---it shows the tiktoker emerging from behind you like some Japanese horror monster.
I never comment on videos, but after watching this I have too. I have seen the original TikTok on this and was just looking at responses to it. In yours I can say that I have finally seen the most intelligent, in depth , well thought out, and most importantly civilized response. You never once lowered yourself to her level or rudeness, and for that you are a credit to UA-cam. I don't subscribe to channels, but I will to yours. Thank you for amazing content
Thank you so much 😊
This was well done. I would also recommend Metatron's criticism of the same tiktok creator. He is a native Italian so he has a different perspective, but still reaches the same overall conclusions.
This tiktok girl is a perfect example what's wrong with people nowadays. I've learned to study more then one source before making up my mind and decide how things are or probably are. This Tiktoker is reading a series of books, written by a single person with an agenda and now she thinks she's knows everything about the matter.
This is lazy as heck. Even if the writer were a serious scientist, the chances that he/she is wrong about certain things are very big and to read other materials written by other schoolers would just help to understand the whole thing.
Sorry, I'm not a native English speaker but I hope you guys understand what I mean...
@@Spielername you’re spot-on with your comment. Funny thing is, I’m fairly certain that the scientific and historic communities are based on several observations and checking each other’s work. Whomever Bear Ears based their “knowledge” off of probably didn’t have other professionals to help fact-check. 👍🏻
@@Spielername I agree- as a non-historian, I know I'm prone to "one-book syndrome", when a theory _seems_ great, but only cos I haven't read anything else on the topic. (Also, your English is perfect, & you explained your point perfectly too.)
For even more dishonesty, I offered them a summary of the Greek portion of the Res Gestae that they showed, because it’s an account of Roman conquests and mentions Rome by name 2 lines above where the image cuts off, which you’d think they’d know I’d they actually could read Greek as they claim. They deleted most of my comment thread and then when someone asked for an elaboration on the original comment (which they left up, presumably to make it look like I was making a baseless claim) and I offered that elaboration again and said it was deleted the first time, they blocked me.
@Bone Thug Why'd you write this?
@Bone Thug You wanted attention, allow me to give it to you, now move on
I have found this technique used across UA-cam almost completely in the last two years.
The comments are always edited to hide the Cultural Marxist agenda.
@Bone Thug you aren’t real
@@goofinhiemer1153 Maybe don’t react to a dumb conspiracy theory by propagating an equally dumb and incredibly anti-Semitic conspiracy theory like cultural Marxism. And don’t pretend these tactics aren’t a staple of right-wing rhetorical strategy as well.
She's calling people who respond to her comments armchair experts while filming videos in her bedroom. I guess she believes irony doesn't exist either.
Here you go assuming this lady has enough class to be sitting in a "chair" and not "on top of a stack of milk crates she stole from behind 7-11 a couple of years ago when her and her friends got really, _really_ high one night."
@@Kevin-jb2pv She doesn't really look like the type that would need to be high to steal crates from a 7-11 at 3 am.
@@Kevin-jb2pv I mean, I was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt....
Thanks for taking the time to debunk this absurd nonsense. I really think the current vogue for conspiratorial thinking might be the end of us! The effort required for thorough debunking is so great that few are willing or able to get involved, understandably so in many cases when people have much better and more productive ways to spend their time. What a world.....
It seems a key characteristic of conspiracy theory is that it cannot be countered with contrary evidence because that is in itself proof of the conspiracy. As kids we might put our fingers in our ears and "lalalalala" as loudly as possible so as not to hear the dreaded command to "go to bed!". This is the grown up version of that.
Wow, sometimes TikTok can be so toxic. This reminds me of that time that really young people on TikTok insisted that Helen Keller was made up because “disabled people can’t do all those things”. Disturbing...Thank you for this video!
P.S. Can you put part of this video on TikTok to counter their videos with fact? For the TokTok users falling for this person’s dishonesty...
Helen Keller surely was surely not made up, since her existence is well documented - but some argue that her caretaker Anne Sullivan seems to have taken some liberties in translating Keller to the world around her, exploiting her and using the power dynamic between the two as leverage to spread her own opinions. I do not know enough about it to take any sides in this matter but the little I read about it, it did not seem unplausible.
But Anne Sullivan was not the target of that particular TikTok trend - Helen Keller was. And the insinuation was that Helen Keller couldn’t be real because disabled people couldn’t possibly be able to do all of those things. Which is extremely toxic. What kind of message does that send out to disabled people, especially the young disabled peers of those TikTok users, to spread such nasty ideas? The message is hateful and bullying regardless of whether or not you really believe Helen Keller existed.
@@alexandrialeonora6542 That is indeed terrible, I am not contesting that. But with internet trends in general and maybe TikTok in particular, not much surprises me these days. I guess I'm just jaded. But to clarify, you are absolutely correct.
@@CarlReijer-lk2nt I actually agree with you, personally, and that's why I don't use it. But I know there are a lot of people who love it, and they aren't toxic, so that's basically what I mean with the "sometimes" bit, haha.
Y'know, before the internet, a person with unwashed hair wearing fake bear ears and capping off her rant about how the Roman Empire never existed with "It's a circus, man!" would've had no platform but the local park bench.
Some things where better before the internet...
There's always the radio though. Radio (especially in the US) gave voice to people like her before the internet.
And lets not forgett books like those written by von Däniken.
@@sisuguillam5109 . and pamphlets, newspapers, etc. Herbert W. Armstrong's Good News Magazine dragged many a reader down a rabbit hole. Look up William Miller and the Great Disappointment in 1844. Miller had 100,000 followers (like 800,000 today), all believing the world would end exactly on October 22, 1844. People are just gullible.
@@denisdooley1540 that they are. Or not in a position to know better due to lack of education, access to information, the way how and where they were raised...
Thank you for the tip!
@@denisdooley1540 But even then there was a steeper barrier of entry. Ink and paper cost money pixels are cheap. Plus you have to convince someone to pick up the copy. Her, I deeply hesitate to call it a theory, delusion wouldn't even make it to the third page of Weekly World News.
As someone currently living in Rome, and looking at the Colosseum right now this is truly both fascinating and disturbing. Did she think we built the damned thing ourselves to fool the world or something? Ahahah
I wonder how she explains away Pompeii and Herculaneum
The History Channel here in the US has an answer: Ancient Aliens!
@@SMDoktorPepper An elaborate art project of course 😉
And they’re actually not people preserved but bath bombs shaped like people.
Totò built them in the 1950s and tried to sell them to an American but they couldn't agree on the price.
Didnt they move it to italy? I saw a collium in italy but dont know if it was the main one. I thought the roman one was in greece
What disturbs me the most about conspiracy theories is that no matter how insane they sound to anyone willing to question them, even a little bit, there will always be people who believe them for no reason at all except to maybe be contrarians, to suit their own personal biases/agenda, or to profess that they're "awake" while everyone else are sheep/asleep/etc.
Thank you so much for all of the hard work you do! Your videos have taught me so much - I love history and learning and truly enjoy everything you do. If you haven't already done one, I would love to see a video on the Library of Alexandria or even just on ancient libraries!
You have far more patience and tact than most. I can’t even bear (pun intended) to listen to this person on account of how insufferably arrogant they are; let alone sit through possible hours of having watch these videos repeatedly, in order to understand and refute her arguments made from shear ignorance.
I commend you for the suffering you had to endure for our sake, and the quality of the content you produce.
During my undergrad degree, I studied the hundred years war fairly extensively. One of the major inspirations for military leaders of the 14th century was Vegetius, a roman author of the 5th century. It would be rather odd to find chroniclers of the 14th century and prior referring to a highly influential roman source in their writings had Rome 'never existed' lol.
the whole idea that HRE and the Spanish Inquisition somehow would have the power to establish such a myth (while failing to prevent Protestantism) is far more bizarre.
Obviously the 100 Years War was also fake.
@@ostentatious_patronizer which one?
@@Nonsense010688 all of the 100 year wars that "happened" before the year 1666 are fake.
@@Nonsense010688 It's also bizarre that the Orthodox would supplicate themselves so neatly to the Catholic desires... while under Ottoman occupation, one which their leaders even claimed to *_favour_* over being ruled by the Papacy.
And that the Greeks would even call themselves Ρωμιοί! (Romans.) As in, the people of ROME.
Just wondering: if ancient Rome didn’t exist and latin was invented in 1500, what language did the students of my university speak back in the day? I live in Bologna, Italy, and our university is the oldest one in Europe (1088).
clearly Etruscan. Didn't you know that "socc'mel bän" comes actually from Etruscan?
More pertinent: If Rome never existed, who invented the lead plumbing the people owe their mental factulties to?
Proto Indo European obviously 😉
@@MrAranton the britons
@@MrAranton the Victorians obviously
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Btw sorry for any misspeled words or if something reads weird.... english is not my first language 😅
This takes "It's all Greek to me" to a whole new level 😂
Aaaargh! You beat me to it! 😆
Based comment.
When in Rome ,do as the Romans do.
Rome was built in a day.
All roads lead to Rome.
I do not know latin or greek so this is chinese to me ... maybe I should make a tik tok vid about that ... 🥴
@@grahamsmith5396 That's funny! in Spain we say "Rome wasn't built in a day" in a way to ask for patience:)
As a linguist, I'd point to the modern Romance languages. We know that they have a common ancestor, and because we know how fast language change generally happens, we can estimate how long ago their common ancestor lived, which is much earlier than when she claims Latin was invented. In addition, we have old Latin loan words in other languages, that can be dated to have entered the other languages during the Roman era, by comparing them to other loan words and sound changes in the languages. Regardless of if there was a Roman Empire, there for sure was an influential language spoken at that time, which evolved into the modern Romance languages.
This was ridiculous but super entertaining in its absurdity, thanks for covering it!
Came here to say this, thank you!
It's even more ironic that she speaks English, a language that maybe isn't Romance per se, but has been influenced by Romance Languages way before the "15th century" and contains sooo many words of Latin origin. It's ridiculous.
Agreed, you can’t spell “Romance” without “Roman” (I came here just to make that joke)
King James was a con man and Jesuit.
Yeah but French isn't really a Romance langauge, its a Breton & Germanic langauge. That's why their pronunciation is radically different from Portugese, Romanian, Spanish, Italian. So that's where you're theory is flawed. Old latin derived from Yamia-INDO EUROPEAN languages (near Ukraine and Black Sea region). Latin was birthed in Rome however it was Etruscans who were native to Rome and it was a non indo european language. There is a debate s to whhere Etruscan possibly derived from Hittite family tree - like near Turkey or it could be of Celt origin.
Its not the other way around. This would make these languages influenced at a much earlier date back to the Yamnia days not Roman latin days, hence why there is still debate i the Balkans on if the Ancient Greeks and Macedonials were originally Slavic or Mediternian.
and why French sounds nothing like Spanish,
Hence why Russian has a lot of common words with Portugese( European not Brazilian) and Spanish that did not come from Roman contact.
The proof is all there.. if you want to believe the mainstream narrative so be it. But if you start studying langauges, history and start noticing trends theres a different story. I'm not debating Rome existed but their influnce to the languages of Western and eastern europe is really overrated. It most likely came from Yamnia and the Wendls are proof of this.
Now the real question should be where tf did the ETRUSCANS come from? And Why is French in the same family as Spanish italian and portugese and romanian when French is clearly a German-Cornish hybrid trying to speak Portugese and botching the pronuncation.
Lingua Latina spes inanis est.
Is it just me or does the womans whole argument against Rome wittle down to, "church bad victorians bad therefore Rome isnt a thing." Swear to God thats the only real thing I get when she sums it up.
I wanna see this TikTok lady argue with one of the people who claims Christianity was invented by Emperor Constantine, that'd be a funny debate. "Rome was invented by the Church" vs "The Church was invented by Rome" lmao
Her tik tok is gone 😆
@@Betsy.Ross76 Sooo, WE'VE WON! *ROMA VICTIX*
@@Betsy.Ross76 she got Alex Jones'd hopefully haha
@@CollinBuckman not so false tho. Emperor Constantine quite "created" Christianity during the Nicean Council by deciding which Vangelis where right and which were not (this is why there are so called Vangeli Apocrifi, sorry don't know hot to translate that) because he quite needed the assistance of the church cause the empire weren't in all that good shape at the time
As an university student from Italy which is currently studying Ancient Mediterranean History,, this whole conspiracy makes me laugh A LOT, but I am kinda curious. I would love to read a fantasy book from them, it would definitely be awesome if they have this much fervid imagination!
EXACTLY. We all love escapism and creativity but there's a line between fantasy and reality. I love the wild theories but I don't wanna endorse conspiracy theorists 😂
“Abusively condescending” is the perfect way to describe this person.
And sadly her parents, this is not the dissertation of a well-attended and nurtured child. Imagine the cynical psuedo-intellectualism neccesary to attract the attention of parents mired in their own self pity due to being unrewarded for their own supposed career specific brilliance.
One of the funniest things about this is her complete disregard that you don't need a unique alphabet to have a language. The Romans could've written Latin in the Greek alphabet and it still wouldn't prove anything. Unless she read that it was distinctly Greek....it still would only prove you found a Greek language tablet from the time.
The Roman Empire could have just spoken Greek. Even if Latin was somehow invented later, it wouldn't prove Rome didn't exist, it would just change their language. They could still have a distinct culture.
Roman culture mimics a lot of Greek culture, even architecture and dining etiquette.
Yeah, it's like saying "America is fake, because they speak English and their buildings come from London,"
these are the same people that are spreading flat earth. They are called masons and are possessing people through airwaves. They eventually want to make you believe that there was never a Jesus Christ of nazareth
It's worth noting that Greek was widely spoken across the empire as well, particularly in the east, for obvious reasons, so finding Greek writing proves literally nothing.
The upper class Romans DID speak Greek, depending on the specific period of time we're talking about here.
As italian I find all of this really hilarious: even my tiny town of 40 000 has got plenty of Roman rests to have a museum 🤣, and I live in northern Italy! I used to live in a really small municipality before that (around 3000) and the parish church was built over an ancient Roman temple that went to ruins, so when the floor "sunk" and the restaurations took part, all works stopped for months becouse they found a bunch of archeological reperties 🤣.
Costruire in italia be like
Of course, all these so-called "Roman" findings under the floor of the church have been placed there by some Spanish inquisitor.
And if you deny that, you are part of the conspiracy. once more proof of the existence of the conspiracy.
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I have not been to your beautiful country, but I remember reading somewhere that the drain covers have SPQR in the molding, Its a really cool thing (I know those covers are not from way back then!) A visual reminder of what your ancestors gave to the world.
In Segovia spain ,,there is a acueducto Romano ,but in a library with old books here you can see very clear the acueducto was built in 1523 not in Roman period ,so why the lie ? And the coliseum the gray cisterns ,not a circus but a tank of water ?
@@hernandemornay7559 well, I would like to see this book, that, suppossedly proofs your claim. Because that is wild, claiming that all historical scholars did not realize that and misdated this aqueduct by more then 1000 years.
But even if it were true: what does one building demonstrate? There are thousands of them... are they all misdated?
Hello! I just saw the title of this video and I HAD to watch it. First time viewer.
Wow! Bear Ears is a real piece of work isn’t she? 😮 I completely agree with you that she is hard to listen to. So condescending and yet so ignorant. Quite a combination.
Now I don’t hold a degree, but I’ve always been fascinated with archaeology and ancient civilizations. I was even lucky enough to take a year of Latin in high school.
So I must say your translation about Caesar made way more sense than some miming purple lions. 😂😂😂 That was too funny!
She sounds American and based on other things I’ve seen where random people from the US are quizzed about things outside their country, many of them (not all - I realize some are highly educated) haven’t got a clue about world history, geography, or languages other than English and Spanish.
"Romans never existed!" "Latin was invented by the vatican"
I guess all the neolatin languages are all a mass hallucination, in Italy we actually speak japanese and lie about our ancient sites for shits and giggles.
And german cities along the rhine and danube rivers were also invented by the vatican and the battle of teutoburg forrest is actually a mass delusion.
Yeah, no, I can confirm, as a soon-to-graduate-from-university Brazilian linguist, I can confirm that Portuguese is just weird Russian and that is the real reason we're in the BRICS economic bloc alongside Russia
Sounds legit 👍
I always knew ancient Japanese invented pizzas and spaghettis!
Finland might be a Japanese fishing colony but Italy is just one big Japanese noodle factory.
An interesting sign of a not-very-well-thought-out conspiracy theory is the way they respond to evidence with two different, conflicting explanations. She says the writing is Greek, not Latin, AND she says it hasn't been tested (so might be a fake). In her worldview, if it were genuine, it would be written in Greek or something, and if it were fake, it would be written in the "fake" language Latin. Even if she's right, both explanations can't be true. But she offers both without the slightest bit of consideration.
edit: she does it again with the headstone where she says it's got a mishmash of different scripts on it, which means it can't possibly be translated. and then she says it's a gravestone for pompeii itself, and a joke, which logically implies she could read it.
Oh snap. Good catch.
You have put woke "scholarship" into a nutshell. It's not the reasoning - it's the drama that counts
Yeah. Mixing very different languages would make the writing untranslatable but somehow she knew what it said? Nonsense. Plus… I don’t see any Hebrew but I am pretty rusty
I think the technical term is "covering your ass". She is trying to discredit the evidence any way she can so she is using arguments that gives her layers of defense.
"It's not latin it's obviously Greek, even if it's indisputable that it's Latin it's not tested to see when it was made." She is not aware this ideas are contradicting because she is focused on her outs.
Not only that, but even a Person who doesn't Speak the Languages can tell there's a Difference between Latin Writing and Greek writing
As an amateur interested in historical linguistics, I can't stand people who willfully (or ignorantly) spread lies about where languages come from. With only a tiny amount of base knowledge about how languages change, such as regular sound changes, it's blatantly obvious that, for example, the romance languages are all related and developed from Latin. The sheer amount of evidence we have is irrefutable. Thank you for this!
Literally alot of Spanish words never changed from their Latin parent
@@ThorfinnJaeger and most of the ones that did follow very predictable patterns. Like, so predictable that even if we didn't have any records of latin, we would be able to recreate it (albeit imperfectly) by comparing all the romance languages. The amount of ignorance needed to come up with these ideas is mind-boggling.
But exactly, that's the point, they used the Romance languages to create Latin! It's basically like Esperanto! Don't you people see it? You've been lied to!
Jokes aside, you cannot argue with people believing in conspiracy theories. They always find some bullshit to demonstrate they're right, if only to themselves. THEY are the ones believing an irrefutable theory, which is a bad thing in any research field. Theories need to be refutable; otherwise, anyone can come up with an irrefutable theory and, as nonsensical as it is, they can't be proven wrong. A good theory must say "If this kind of data is found, then the theory is wrong", not "You cannot prove the theory wrong and whatever data you come up with, I will refute it, even in the most weird and roundabout way".
@@Mercure250too true, people who believe in conspiracy theories are like people who believe God, it's pointless arguing with them.
It's only refutable in 🤡 🌎.