Sail Life - Big hole in the cockpit, hull moisture & the perfect cleat? - DIY boat refit
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- In this video, I fix the last big hole in the cockpit using fiberglass and west system epoxy. I've also found a different type of cleat that I think might be a winner. Last and also kind of least I give an update on the moisture levels in the hull.
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All the best on your Vacation, Mads. After binge-watching all your Athena vids over the last three days, I'm Fully Ready to build a three-masted Square-Rigger, I feel! I have sure learned a LOT, and I LOVE your Work. Overbuild it Once and Forget It. Hell Yeah! And they way you untangled that spaghetti-bowl of Wiring! If I win the Lottery, I'm Hiring YOU to overhaul a Big Hull for me.
Sail Life: "Sanding has never been more fun to watch" :D
subscriber for 3 years from Croatia. Missed this because of game. Very competitive world cup game. Denmark was good. I learnt lot of DIY techniques from you. Thanks
This will be the best built Warrior ever made
Because of you every other boat building I watched, I think to myself "noooo don't short cut on your boat, you will regret it in the future". Every little project you do is overthinked and overkill. I LOVE IT.
Yammering you say? Goods Mads.....just imagine your Yanmar refusing to yammer when you need it most. Yammer all you want....we love it.
Hey Mads - the reason the engine control panel is screwed in is similar to why electrical panels are screwed in. If there's an issue with a switch or button or something that is on that panel, the screws allow for easy access to the back of the panel for troubleshooting and replacement. If you glass that in, you should try to find a way to give yourself easy access to that panel if something were to go awry. But as long as you're thinking of that in the new technical area, it should be ok!
You videos give me the courage to just begin already! Everything can be repaired if I screw it up. Thanks for the tutelage.
23 skidoo!!! OMG... my grandparents used to say that... I thought it was a Canadian thing. I'm going to have to start saying that in our videos ;)
Physics says those 4 bolts cleats are stronger, law of the lever. Personally I prefer the look of them as well. Another great video, thanks Mads
Caught up. A full day well spent ... not cleaning up my own messes. Cheerio and lookin' forward to future episodes!
Yammer on Mads, the more yammering the better.
Well, for various reasons I had not seen a Sail Life video since summer last year. I've just binge watched all the videos I missed. A week very well spent! If it's possible these videos just get better and better.
I wish You and Eva the best trip ever! Have fun! See U!
Thank you Mads. Have a great time off with Ava!
It looks like last week's video is missing from the Project Athena playlist. Summer temps here can be around 40+ degrees. A fan blowing into confined spaces makes all the difference. Excellent presentation as usual.
I love the newest cleat. The height/opening underneath is great for threading an end loop
Hi Mads, I am late to the party so this might not get read but on your cleats, the new ones will rely on just bolts for support, there is nothing where they sit for support. The more expensive ones have a base to stop "rolling" of the cleat and that along with more mounting points will make them stronger. Sorry I know the cheaper ones saves sailing funds but a cleat pulling out will be more expensive than buying the more expensive ones. Even with a backing plate the cheaper ones rely on just the strength of the bolts, and they look to be about 10mm and a 10 mm bolt has at best 22kN of strength. I changed to pop up cleats on my boat and they used similar hardware and a backing plate and one did pull out, might have been my handy work might be small hardware but I no longer have them on my Beneteau and went back to beefier type with a good base to take most of the support.
One of my top bucket list items is to visit Denmark, my dad did back in the sixties and loved it.
LOVE your channel, i look forward to seeing the next video.
Regarding the cleats - I am not a boat expert but simply on engineering grounds the four hole version with the wider base spreads the load onto the deck much better reducing the strain on the decktop. Less chance of any cracking developing.
Ah, I see a glint in your eye! Enjoy her visit.
Mads I hope that it is cooler in Denmark than the UK this week - my thoughts are with you ! I have been following your project for over a year now and it is my Sunday night routine now - I love Athena and all I have learnt from you.
great episode Mads. Athena is looking great. Have a great week and a wonderful visit with Ava. Cheers from PEI Canada, Bryan.
Remarkably satisfying viewing, as usual.
That cockpit when painted is going to look so clean!
Your timing is impeccable...I am about to start doing what you have been currently working on, in my own cockpit. I have to go along and agree with the seeming majority and say that I would go with the four bolt cleats even if they are not spiffy, the lateral forces are huge in a good blow, or a tow.
On a side note, how does this video, or any of yours for that matter manage to get 13 dislikes...what's not to love??
All the best from Scott and Karen aboard SV Siren.
Have you thought about some sort of hinged rain and protective sun cover over the engine panel? I've seen some pretty nice ones that were only on the top half of the opening which allowed most things to be done without even flipping it up, but worked fairly well to keep the rain and more importantly the UV off of the gauges, switches and such. Also, in the heat of battle and extreme angles of heel and rocking in heavy seas hands, feet, elbows, knees and even butts sometimes get stuffed into these gauges and can do a bit of damage to the innards when that happens. Something to protect and shield them the worst of this abuse would be nice.
Hi Mads I personally would go with the 4 bolt cleats. With family in the commercial fishing industry it is always strength and safety over appearance and ease of cleaning. Think of the extra cost as a 1 time insurance payment.
The "technical area" sounds interesting. Small parts storage, a workbench with a vice, built in monitor for reading schematics,.... boy would I have fun building that.
...and what about Jökull? You probably see this on your youtube report. At 2 hours after airing you have over 8000 views and over 1300 likes. We viewers love what you are doing. Keep up the great work. Hi Ava have a fun vacation.
From an engineering standpoint the four bolt cleats should be appreciably stronger than the two bolt cleats both in lateral bending moment and shear, the two main forces you would need a cleat to withstand high loads.
Yes exactly I was going to say that but you put it much better.
I dont mean to be so offtopic but does anyone know of a tool to log back into an instagram account??
I stupidly forgot the password. I love any help you can offer me!
@Sullivan Korbin instablaster ;)
@Kase Mekhi thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site thru google and Im in the hacking process atm.
I see it takes a while so I will get back to you later with my results.
@Kase Mekhi it did the trick and I now got access to my account again. I'm so happy!
Thanks so much, you saved my account !
Have a great vacation
The Danish Cursing from below the cockpit locker was epic... Its been awhile, I've been experiencing withdrawal symptoms. Thanks for the fix!
Aye - nothing perks me up like some true craftsman's terms like "amen för helvete och satan också" :D
you and girlfriend have a good time and don't worry about gaps in the video I will still watch when you get the new one up
"you know ye old-timey saying, if you liked it you should have put a bevel on it..." holy sanding, that was funny XD XD
This boat is getting better by the week. Even better then when it left the yard
Always fun to hear “good morning guys” ! Enjoy your time with your sweetie!
OMG this is just the best channel on youtube. ever. I cant stop watching :)
stor lyckohälsning från Stockholm! /HR 42e
You had me at dive compressor 😍
haha :D
Agreed 🤓
Just need a diving platform next 😂 then sail to Egypt
Well done as always Mads.! My condolences regarding Danmark going of the World Cup. Hope you have a nice time with Ava coming over..
Warren
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thank goodness theres a sail life video instead of crap football! your skills and work always looks professional, things never work out smooth for me
Wow another solid video, where to begin.... those new cleats look better! Idk why it is so satisfying for me to watch "complex" shapes get glasses in, it sure is though so thanks for that.
It is crazy to me that there is so much moisture still when it is so hot in the shed there i guess once it gets into the core it has nowhere to go maybe you could explain that better. Also congrats on the upcoming vacation you must be over the moon about seeing your significant other have lots of fun and as always I look forward to more videos in the future! Especially the laying up if the non skid I have seen Andy from Boatworks Today do that and it looks exciting witg a great finished product.
Mads, 4 bolts are way stronger than just the 2 inbolts, there are often times even a the marina where there is alot of stress on cleats so would go with 4 bolts if the choice is there.
You need a fan! Say "hi" to Eva! Can't wait to see you guys sailing together.
The heat has been high on the east coast UK too. Was going to align my reinstalled engine this weekend but held it off as spending time in an overheated engine compartment wasn't very appealing lol. It's supposed to get a little cooler this weekend plus I have 3 days off to get it done.
Mads, I have that same aluminium profile on my 2002 Jeanneau and it works nicely. Good choice.
Use a lot of support backing plate on the bottom of the deck and those two bolt cleats will be awesome.
Please upload some video of your trip with Ava around Scandinavia 😊
Another exciting episode of the OCD diaries😁
glorious, glorious sanding....
I remember talking to you a bit about diving. Can’t wait to see the compressor you go with.
Great video as always! Enjoy your timme together!
Thanks to your meticulous attention to detail, Athena is already a far superior boat than her original new condition. If you ever want to do a video of something different and if you have the stomach for it, might I suggest an interview with Chili Klaus. Of course you will HAVE to eat a pepper :)
Great video again! All said about the toerails: I would still glass them over and would put an 10 cm aluminium "tape" attached to the lifeline posts instead. It would serve all the purpose a towrail have but without the thousand leaking possibility at lower cost. THe deck-hull connection would also be stronger. At least, this is my plan at our 38 feet sailboat. Best regards.
I can't believe it was last summer where you treated Athenas hull with your heated orange blanket thing. Time has been flying by, incredible progress so far! I can't wait for the cockpit to be painted! It'll really bring Athena together and look like a true vessel!! :)
Cockpit is looking great! I'm looking forward to seeing the wet plywood structural member, and the rudder is going to be interesting too.
Hi Mads, great to see the progress you are making. You mention a backing plate for the cleat. I'm wondering, did your existing cleats have backing plates?
The area of the base of the cleats will determine the torque the cleats can resist. I personally don't think the new ones will hold up in bad conditions as you might imagine. Enjoy watching your journey.
Good luck on the adventure its was nice meeting you two when you where in LA
I like you choice on the new cleats. Always good to have a big enough cleat to pass a loop through.
I like the larger bridge clearance center of the new model cleats. Easier to get a braided loop through.
I love the razor blade box openings...so dramatic!!
Look up perfection and there will a picture of mads!!
Looking pretty dang spiffy!
Great Job!!! Looking good. You are a fiberglass expert now ....... Keep up the great work.
Great work Sir. Definitely take time with the Misses. I hope you guys have a blast adventuring around.
Thanks for the videos.. and the heads up for the tiny gap in upcoming videos. I look forward to each Sunday session of coffee and sail life! (happy Canada day!)
I would definitely stay with the four bolt cleats Mads. 90% of the time the two bolt cleats will be fine, but that one time, when you're on a messy mooring in high winds, or being towed off a lee-shore, you'll wish you wish you'd gone with the four bolt arrangement.
Thank you Mads for keeping me entertained and inspired every Sunday
Bless you Mads and your Danish swearing, that made me laugh!
Hello Mads, I really enjoy your channel; the quality of your work and the thought you put into it are a real joy to behold.
Regarding the two-bolt cleats, I could well be overthinking it, but I worry about the potential for those to crush into the topside of the deck over time.
What I'll call "lateral loading" of those cleats (defined for purpose of this post as a force applied perpendicular to both the long axis of the cleat and the longitudinal axis of the bolts securing it through the deck) looks in passing as though it would place a tension load on the bolts which can be well distributed into the boat with a backing plate below the deck. Tension is not, however, the only load path that needs to be addressed here. Locally, at the cleat / deck interface, you will see this load taken in torsion, with the force trying to rotate the cleat around an imaginary axis that, by eye, will fall at or just below the surface of the deck. This force will be transmitted to the deck by whatever the area of ½ of each of those mounting pads on the cleat is (i.e. the area extending beyond the centerline of the bolt on the side opposite the vector of force) which is not a lot of area. On top of that, the distance from the centerline of the cleat to the outside edge of the mounting pad is shorter than the height of the cleat, thus creating a leverage ratio that serves to further increase the force seen by the deck.
What all of this amounts to is that you will see VERY high compression loading of the deck immediately under the mounting pads of those cleats when lateral loads are applied to them. My concern would be that over time this will fatigue and compress the deck material, which, as it progresses, will actually allow for even higher peak loads to be generated, accelerating the process, and would also allow for movement of the cleat, setting up a scenario for fatigue failure of the mounting hardware as well.
With all of that said, I think the problem is entirely solvable (assuming, of course, that there is a problem at all; as I said at the outset, this could well be a product of my imagination). My thought (which should be taken with a grain of salt considering you know a lot more about building boats that I do) would be two plates, one topside that the cleat sits directly on and one on the underside, sandwiching the deck. They could sit proud of the deck or you could route out a pocket for the topside plate to sit in, so it is flush to the surrounding deck. It'd be very strong in both lateral and axial pull, and I imagine it would look really nice too.
Anyhow, hope this is of some help. If not, feel free to disregard it as you obviously know what you’re doing.
I was thinking along the same lines however most of the cleats you see sunken are from core rot. Mads in the past drill, fill, drills everything.
pivoting cleat would put stresses on the cleat at the deck mating surface, but fiberglass doesnt work harden. So i think with the thinkness that boat has, a backing plate, and protecting the core it will be fine.
My thought... The stainless shear rating of the bolts should be taken into account because stainless is not a strong shear material. Shear would be less of an issue with a larger footprint because the force would be more transitioned to lateral pull. But, I bet the bolts are more than strong enough.
That being said... Not sure i would go with the 2 bolts on blue water unless i was installing chocks to direct the load. big beefy cleat feels like good insurance to me. lol
The only thing I would do different is to glass over the hull / deck joint. I'd even glass in little stands to screw in the toe rail / stanchion bases as to not risk water ingress ever! Brilliant and very enjoyable project Mads!
I've spent about the last two weeks watching the whole Athena series. Fascinating stuff to watch, now that I'm caught up I cant wait for the next episode.. BTW I think my wife thinks I'm going to run out and buy and old sailboat now....
I hope she's right!
gman99 that's what we did.... (and I'm the wife!)
BrightSEALAB you’re one of the great wives then. They are hard to find!!!
Get friends with boats... it's cheaper....
Mads, I learn stuff with each of your videos and thank you for that. Please don't let the negative comments bring you down. Know that there are many more positive subscribers than negative ones. I believe if you want to maintain your sanity you must just pretend that the crazy people aren't there and carry on. ;D
Another great video Mads, thank you! You may want to reconsider the two bolt cleats and go with the four bolt pattern with a backing plate, just my opinion. Have a great vacation.
I like your approach to your refit. Looks like Athena will be a nice solid boat when you have her finished. What is your budgeted cost on time and money to complete the project?
love your technical approach, I have learned a great deal!
I love how you are glassing everything in nice and clean. Did you consider making the box a bit shallower?
Have a good holiday mate. Well deserved
Beautiful !
Hi Mads. A technical question. Are you sure the 2 bolt cleat is for traverse loading? You can work out the bending stress and that may pry on the fiberglass. Perhaps are only designed for load along the cleat like mast cleats or to be bolted on aluminium or steel bases. The math is simple I hope you did some checking, in curious to know what it is. Keep up the good work. Cheers
Athena is looking fantastic. A lot of work. I wish i had that ability.
Frank Nicholson you
Another great one and thanks for taking the time to share it with all of us!
the cleat envy is real!
Always a great video , thank you Mads . See you next week. Suisse are wathing !
Thank you for putting so much effort into your videos! Enjoy your time off. :)
Helo mads a lot of work you make look fast and easy .
Mads the cockpit locker aft of the helm that you glassed in still has frame protruding on the vertical surfaces, I’m kind of surprised that is not bothering you? I hope you are feeling alright!
I hope you do sailing videos when the refurbishment work is complete
The Red Screwdriver of Power makes another appearance!
Will you be adding portholes in the hull more light and a modern look.
Looking great Mads. Must admit that toerail profile looks kinda skinny, is it comparable to the old one? I also can't quite see how it will sit as each time you held it to the hull you left a gap. Thanks. Andy UK
Godt jobba Mads!
That old stainless steel fuel tank could be cut to make great backing plates
Your cockpit instrument cluster is going to look awesome! Are you planning on putting a lexan/plexiglass cover on it? Flush mounted I assume... because that would look pretty dang spiffy!
Hi Mads, maybe it is time to invest in a fan..?
I also have one question: is there a particular reason why you don't use the dust extraction port on the Makita band sander?
Looking spiffy!
Another enjoyable video Mads
Love the videos. I am learning so much about fibreglassing. Cant wait to give it a go. Keep up the good work Mads!
On the cleats, take threads out of diameter, add up solid connecting metal, if two bolts is more area than 4 bolts. This will be okay for straight tension. Problem is cleats are used for side tension. This equals wide base, four holes. That way you do not need metal backing, top and bottom. Your decision.
Cheers