Roland TD-7 MIDI Drum Sound Module
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2019
- Here's something a bit different for MIDI equipment, a dedicated Roland Drum Module!
I ended up liking this thing more than I thought I would. I figured I would end up leaving it on a shelf most of the time after the video but I think integrating it into the MIDI stack for games makes sense. But I also realize not everything is going to benefit from it.
I don't think I'll ever get to realize it's capabilities as a drum controller since the pads are so expensive. The Rockband drum pads here "work", but I really can't stress enough that they aren't usable because of the small area of sensitivity. Like I said in the video, they really only respond correctly in a space about the size of a dime. It's possible that the other drum kits they made, especially the later Guitar Hero sets with cymbals, may be more sensitive. If I see one of those for cheap at a thrift store I may grab it and make a part two of making a toy drum kit real. I will have to get a real drum pedal and probably mount one of the portable drum pads on a board to make it work.
Here are the recordings on the second channel:
• Roland SC-55 + TD-7: D...
• Roland TD-7: Pages
• Roland TD-7: Freestyle
• Roland TD-7: MultiFiesta
These weren't meant to be high end recordings of the music, it's just a mic up to the speaker. I was able to make them though with almost no additional effort so I thought I would.
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dollarstore plastic food containers with piezos glued to them also work nicely as drum pads.
Just outta curiousity, couldnt you just make a pigtail adapter that changes the polarity without modifying the pads themselves?
Lol I was thinking the same thing
It would be possible and should work
Yeah! I was about to comment about the same thing haha.
Also the pigtail adaptor could use a 3.5mm socket but a 1/4 inch plug just with the T and S leads reversed
Nah, he rather does an ugly hack, destroying a pretty Roland device in the process because he doesn't have the right components right now to do it properly.
The MIDI Buffer Overflow error is *probably* caused by all the extra General Midi data (controllers and possibly sysex and NRPN). You could possibly filter out everything but the note data using a MIDI processor such as the Midi Solutions MIDI Event Processor, Yamaha MEP-4, or another computer simply acting as a MIDI filter using MIDI-OX software. Whether or not is it worth the effort is up to you. I suspect once you thin out the MIDI stream the TD-7 should be able to keep up just fine.
Knowledgeable commenters like yourself make my day. Thank you :)
I think if you turned off MIDI local control on the TD-7 that would have fixed it for ya
Arduino with a midi shield is also a cheap option if you're willing to write a bit of code. You can even remap the sysex and notes to play that elusive bass guitar on the midi keyboard :)
It’s definitely getting bogged down by MIDI setup data that is being sent at the beginning for the song. There might also be a setting on the TD-7 to have it listen ONLY to MIDI channel 10. That might help.
@@alphabeets Probably not. The thing is - before you can decide to ignore the controller data, it has to be received and thus put into the buffer, where it overflows like a toilet in full Bundy mode.
A very simple, and quick research by typing "Roland TD7 PSU specs" in Google got me the first link with the specs of this unit, including the power supply: 12V AC Current draw 650 mA.
By looking in the manual, TD-7 isn't just percussion but also features 4 part multi timbrality for a "performance section", so that's how the demos are done FYI (Page 110 in the owner's manual)
Not often I spot Druaga2 video a minute after publication.
A neat module, even though it has its problems when it comes to midi.
Hey smokers, AkBKukU here.
This was my very first drum module - it came with my TD-7 electronic drum set. I used it with my MS-1 sampler but sold the kit about 10 years ago. Still have the MS-1 though. :)
You could create a simple circuit with 4 op-amps in inverter mode, that would reverse the polarity and amplify the signal, all at once :D
The non-percussion sounds you mention (guitars and bass etc) are patch numbers 498-511 and there are other instruments such as a glockenspiels (428) to gamelan (438). You can download the manual at this link:
static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/TD-7_OM.pdf
Who needs stinking manuals, they are no match for poor, uneducated guesswork! :-P j/k
Another to add to the list of great finds there, very nice!
This was my first electronic drum kit from way back in the Early 90.s (?). At the time it was a pretty good kit. Everything worked as advertised and the sounds are quite usable. They are 90's type of electronic drum sounds,so you get what you get!! Lots of instruments onboard and deep editing! I still use mine to this day.
You dont have to cut or solder any wires in order to get more volume and dynamic range. You just have to go to EDIT-TRIGGER-CURVE. There is several curves but for those generic pads curve: fixed127 should work fine! If you got more doubts about this module ill be more than happy to help! It is still a great piece of midi gear due to its pads sensibility and dynamic range. I got one hooked up to AD2 and i couldn’t ask for a better duo!!
I remember playing a friends drum set with this module. I couldn't believe the sounds it made were very precise and identical to a real drum set. Also, he had a sound canvas (maybe sc-55?) and a portable audio recorder (some expensive Sony walkman). He would load it all up like a pretzel in the back of his Subaru and drive out to gigs. Weird guy but I respect him.
That FF wobble was great
I've taken apart a large Simmons drumpad, they're built with a plywood center that guides the strike into the piezo quite well. They're at least double the size of the Rockband pads.
The sounds on this thing seem like they're reused from other Roland products (probably the L-CD sample packs), just in nicer quality than other modules since they could dedicate all of the ROM space to the drums. I do know they've stayed in circulation way after this thing though cause some of the sounds are really similar to the ones on my SRX cards and Fantom XR and those are from the 2000s!
I just bought mine. It took 3 seconds to listen to the actual device in demo mode, and I fell in love. If you like Roland Power-Drumish sounds, this one delivers. And the 808 set is also quite ok. P.S. I guess you can fix the buffer overflow problem with a channel switcher like the Roland A220. Just put the SC55 on output A and the TD7 on output B and disable all other midi data but channel 10 on output B. Only problem: Good luck getting the A220. I got mine back in 96. They are rare nowadays.
My first drum kit 😊 my Dad got me one in 1992, by age 13 I mastered that cool module
I still like my boss dr5. Still in use in 2019. It's the drum machine made for guitarists. Outstanding Thrift Shop find....❤❤❤
The Wii Guitar Hero drum kit I have has a midi in and out and also has a piezo in the kick pedal. So they might work better.
Damn, why couldn't I get this lucky in thrift shops. 😭
Charity shops in the UK are terrible. Second hand stores (CEX is a pretty big chain) sometimes have gems, I've picked up a few games from them and even a graphics card
For real 😒
3:40 ugh that brings back bad memories. i dropped a NES power supply on my right 4th toe when i was 5 and it never really healed properly
Rylan Gray oof
Cool! I'd love to see you work on a TR-808, those are really cool!
This is a video I'm very glad to be early to
Great video. I had no clue you could play old game music like that.
Funny observation for the Grabbag and the public extended version.
On my Kawai GMega, the high lead guitar notes, sounds like the guitarist almost missed the timings. in some sense it is running not correct, but at the same sense it sounds almost as it could happend on a live play :-P
I have a piezo trigger pedal, and a piezo clip, both with ¼" mono plugs. If they helped with a vid, I could be convinced to part with them if your in the US. Was gonna use the pedal as a sustain on my midi keyboard, but it won't work for that, and a friend was throwing out old cables and I snagged the clip.
Looks like it's the same styling as my Roland D-110 rack-mount sound module
man! That demo track is reminding me of music from Crash Bandicoot or games like that
If you are curious about those negative voltages they are probably done using simple diode and capacitor tricks.
In 1993 or 94 that was the td7 it came with pads a kick pad hi hat controller that was their Flagship drum set of the mid-90s until V drums were born
Rockband drums were a lot more sensitive than the portable pads, they detected side hits fairly well.
The SB16 had a header for a general midi daughter board so it could output all those sounds on its own - I'm guessing they weren't as good as a roland but I swear they sounded very similar.
For the hidden instruments, would it be actual drum sounds but pitch-shifted?
@VideoCommenter Maybe, but that isn't the case here. I recognize the extra sounds and they're completely different samples Roland has used elsewhere.
@VideoCommenter Actually, more than a couple. There are a whole bunch of percussion instruments (common western ones include tubular bells, marching bells, marimba, and glockenspiel) that have actual notes. Western ones often use the standard western keyboard arrangement of tones. This makes it easier for percussionists to convert between percussion instruments and keyboard instruments (some of which are themselves classified as percussion instruments, such as the carillon). Generally speaking, if you can play any keyboard-arrayed instrument, you can generally get a coherent sound out of the others, although many keyboard instruments have additional features that you need to learn about to do anything sophisticated with them.
Melodic sounds are played by channels 11,12,13 ect.
Those hidden instruments are actually very well documented in the manual. They are assigned to what Roland calls performance channels, each of which can be assigned a MIDI channel. Yes, our hero could have played any of them on his keyboard had a spent a few more minutes with the manual an less time with the Rockband pads lol! Jk, it was a very amusing watch.
@@DouglasLippi Thanks, this is actually useful to me, I have one of these in a drawer somewhere.
Thank you for this. I need to do the same thing but from what I can tell, the sleeve contact is on the bottom of the input so I would have to get to it by removing the whole board. How did you connect yours?
12:23 or you get some old earphone cables (or p2 cables) and some female 2 conectors to make a "reverse polarity converter" (basically a cable with a male and female p2 conector that has the wires twisted)
Edit: the other problems aren't due to the fact that the polarity is reversed and it doesnt get the signal right?
I love it.
Anything powered with AC adapter and has its own rectifier circuit actually can be powered with appropriate DC. The rectifier inside will just bypass DC. Check it out.
Nice find, I kind of wonder how Roland drumpads are constructed inside. The Rockband pads look really finnicky to play as a typical drummer would not strike the drumhead dead center. In practice, most drummers would kind strike the head in a larger area and the tension in the drumhead (especailly with snare drums) affects the sound. The rimshot is a thing on it’s own but in the center the head behaves differently then when you strike it closer to edge. This has to with the mechanical aspects of drumheads. I really wonder how Roland emulate this, as I’ve never played a midi kit but only accoustic ones. This module was good for the time when it came out considering the technology of the time, modern solutions with VST’s would sound better and or realistic when compared to an accoustic kit. I think that 808 sound doesn’t quite sound like one, a bit dissapointing considering the 808 was rolands most populair drummachine. Does it also have a 909 in it? That would make it usefull for dance music productions. 909’s are highly sought after just like 808’s. Still a nice find considering the “Roland tax” phenomenon.
I owned a spds and a tr626. my guess you did not rtfm? Roland = every button has 10+ manual pages. (static(dot)roland(dot)com/assets/media/pdf/TD-7_OM.pdf) You should be able to adjust the trigger settings to improve the responsivness of the pads. You can change the interface mode to Midi-Sound which increases the speed in which notes are produced after the Midi Message. The bass and mallet samples are listed in the Manual, so there must be a way you can use them.
I've been wanting one of these for ever. And you found it at the thrift store? We need thrift stores like that here....
Headphones have really volume on my TD-7, amp output works great. Do quality of headphones make a difference. Is there only one headphone output jack?
For the record, none of the sounds are hidden at all, it is just a product of the time- requires reading the manual and/or hooking it up to a software editor to get full access to the device capabilities. You can define a lot about how it behaves in terms of the patches, note range and the midi channel assignments.
Would love to hear the TD7 drum module on dos games without the sound canvas maybe there is a way to access those secret instruments through midi
Man !!! Go directly to 17:22 to see the TD-7 in action on the DOOM videogame (PC version). Woahhhhhhhh 90s flavor and TD-7 rocks with the SC-55 :)
Hey, this is great mate,
You should do video on the Amiga 500 , Atari ST
How they transformed Rave Music in the UK in the early 90s
you could just get some cheap audio cables and cut and reverse the wires to revere the polarity.
dollar store aux cables should do the trick
Hey, question: does the TD-7 natively respond to the midi implementation of channel panning like a normal GS device would?
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Some people have all the luck! Well hope you can find a Roland drum set for it now !
I'm really worried about those wires going thru the metal case holes and shorting the case out, or worse turning the metal case 'hot' and potentially becoming a shock hazard....
Anyone know where I can get an (Encoder Board) for my TD-7? Its on the inside and connects to the data wheel. I found mine broken into pieces. Ive looked everywhere.
Curious about the Realistic speaker set up with the box there. Is there a video looking at it?
I see there is another Realistic box to the right too.
Dude the doom part got a hell of a sub from me!
Iv got a friend of mine giving me this head. Or Brian. And another friend letting me use his Roland mess e kit set up. Hoping to plug and play shall see. Cheers
Your idea of fun....is mine as well :-)
I would probably buy a line frequency transformer with proper rating.
I just got this today and my snare has a lot of static and two of my to toms are barely making any sound. How can I make it sound better?
The «hidden sounds» are in midi channels 11, 12 and 13 !, bass, guitars, marimbas..
7:31 "I got my mind set on you. I got my mind set on you!"
My thoughts exactly!
Was the audio captured with a microphone (not your narration)?
Could you release a video that has only the td-7 audio?
My Sharona at 7:10 lol
I would love to get some Roland stuff for my retro systems but it’s all so expensive 😭
The td7 have 2 sensor one on the pad an another on the ring
You can always look for a set of used V-Drum pads from a kit that has a dead controller.
What is the output of the 12v adaptor? is it AC or DC? Thanks
now you make me want to get one dammit
Como faço pra resertar o modulo TD7?
Pages sounds like Crash Bandicoot music
draggonhedd had the very same thought. Maybe they used one similar to this to make it?
hello how can I reset all the information of the roland TD-7
Thanks for another good video.
Was interesting to watch but I disagree with the comments on the design. The TD-7 (1992) looks very much like most pro Roland gear from around the same time and the SC-55 design is more similar to Roland's more consumer or maybe prosumer market offerings (that the SC-55 is part of). Compare the TD-7 with the iconic, but perhaps less famous to the retro computing crew, modules like the JV-1080 from 1994 and JV-2080 from 1996, or the earlier D-series like D-110.
what is the best made by roland
Ciao, ci potresti fare vedere come si faceva musica dance nel 1999 like Gigi D'Agostino. Very thankx
what's up with boss and reverse polarity... are there any other companies that do it like them?
Centre negative makes sense on battery powered devices like effects pedals. Inside the power jack is a little leaf switch that on one side is hooked to the power rail of the device and on the other is connected to the batteries. When you insert a power jack the leaf lifts up, breaking connection with the batteries. No active electronics required, just a simple mechanical switch.
Sony used/uses center-negative for ages. And most old gear. Be aware.
Well this is kind of funny.. I used to have that realistic amplifier for a short time in the 80s. Some guy at school sold it to me.. changed his mind and wanted it back. And my friend who has his own home recording studio.. used the TD7 for his electronic drums back in the late 90s.. he might still have it now
Buffer is full?
Put ssd in it
You must remove the electronics and go direct from piezo to module
Wow this is from the same era as my keyboard, that my geeky dad bought me in 1993 when I was 9, which features MIDI, but I've never used that feature.
It looks like this would go well with my keyboard, which I've used almost continuously for the past 26 years (except for some years at a university dorm) :P
Time to replace my broken floppy drive on it and program some real music?
@13:16 it's name is bass drum pedal!
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why not just use a dc power supply? i'm sure it has a bridge rectifier so it won't really matter if it's dc or ac
Actually it doesn't. AC power supplies are usually required in order to generate some negative voltages internally.
Why not just buy a proper size plug from digikey then solder it onto the power adapter cable?
Oooh, about the reversed polarity, I found these; www.amazon.com/dp/B07TCLN6F5
Paired with these: www.amazon.com/dp/B07HGSHZ1T
You should be able to swap polarity with a short length of speaker wire or 8-conductor ribbon for hooking them up "Correctly". Or am I talking out of my ass?
Canyon.mid on TD-7 when?
Welp. I have something new for my bucket list: Play Descent with this.
This module has the same display screen as the Mt-32.
Wow you have the same speakers as the LGR guy cool.
No it's pretty different, this has a much more common type, probably HD44780 controller compatible. It's a 16x2 positive. The mt-32 is a 20x1 negative and uses an Epson SED1200 controller.
3:44 don't throw it on a killer watt, it won't survive it
friend give me samples Kits for bass drum
I could here the latency on all the songs
The brain was the cheap of td7. The rig with all the pads and cables are more expensive
sync me up.
it wont sound right as the drum mapping is not general midi............... it's a proper drum machine not a sound canvas....
and it looks like that because it's the old roland style.... all modules and synths looked like that from the mid-late 80's...... its not a boss product at all............ and yes i have lots and lots or old roland gear so i know what im talking about
it will lag......... IT;S NOT A SYNTH MODULE.............ITS FOR REAL LIVE DRUMMING NOT PC'S.....
Easy tiger. It's a MIDI module, for whatever you want to use it with. If you filtered out everything but channel 10 it would probably work fine.
It has trigger inputs, but there's no reason you couldn't use it as a drums-only synth. I don't think the MIDI ports were added by accident.
@@nickwallette6201 it won't as the patches are not mapped to the gm standard.... this was pre gm same as the d-10 ect.......... i should know as i bloody own these in my studio............ :/
Well maybe you SHOULD know, but it seems you don't? ;-) According to the TD-7 patch list I just downloaded from Roland's web site, presets 24 and up are -- and I'm quoting here -- "to be played with GS music data (drum part)". They correspond to the normal GS kits via program change messages. Preset 24, "Standard", is the GM drum kit, and responds to PC# 1.
Makes sense, given that the drum mappings sounded correct in the video. (Aside from the non-drum parts playing one of the channels on a marimba and overflowing the buffer.)
Wenn you stop turning every project into a shitshow, I'll gladly become a Patreon. Not using a simple DC jack adapter? Wtf??? It hurts to see those half-assed repairs.