@@HughJeffreysI'm pretty sure it never shows the dedicated GPU there for some reason, the only place it shows them is the Performance Tab of Task Manager and Device Manager
@@HughJeffreys Will you cover modern gaming laptops like the acer nitro 5 which pack upgradable ram, storage. And replaceable battery and wifi card? With a 2.5' bay. Its also pretty repairable too. Like most gaming laptops.
I love how even the battery has a notice "this battery is replaceable" instead of all thew warnings on most batteries, I'll definitely buy a Framework as my new laptop next time I need a new one.
Just imagine if Apple and some other laptop manufacturers weren't so incredibly greedy and controlling, they could easily do this. But they won't because they have this insatiable desire to milk people for every last cent (and then some).
you still can use a screwdriver to replace battery in any modern laptop. Just another shit comment of a person who doesn't used framework shit any single day @@SlartiMarvinbartfast. Milking people is more about releasing new mobo and gpu extention that fits only new chassie. Or 50 bucks ports. Framework is a cool thing for geek review videos, but not for daily usage. It's just mediocre quality, overpriced laptop
Technically their second product was the 12th gen Intel model, which already was good enough to increase my confidence in them for the long term... But this one pretty much seals the deal.
@@bradhaines3142It's still a bit unclear whether Framework are producing enough to be profitable, but it's definitely a good sign for their popularity, and a bad sign for anyone who wants them to expand to other markets. No way they'll dip their toes into other countries if they can't even satisfy demand for their existing markets. It'll only make the waiting list worse, and usually people actually need a laptop when they are buying one.
@@leonro theyve already said theyre trying to get into other countries, its just not easy to get all the paperwork straight. plus waiting on goverments to do their part im sure eats most of the time
Alex on Short Circuit found that if you put a thick thermal pad below the stamped steel plate where the keyboard sits to brace it more, it improves the feel of the keyboard substantially. Removes most of the flex that makes the keyboard feel mushy. Hopefully Framework will include one pre-applied to the bottom of the plate with retail models.
The DIY options and the variety of customizable components and the inclusion of a modular top case and LED Matrix displays is a brilliant move. It's great to see a company prioritizing repairability and sustainability. Great review Hugh!
Funny thing about the DIY edition is they build it first before disassembly, packaging and shipment to the end-user. Framework needs to invest in a test rig for component validation or just _send it_ and resolve problems as they occur if they wish to further cut costs. But the end-user can also cut costs their own way - they can purchase the components separately themselves, and the Framework forum likely has a component checklist for people who take this approach so after a few months of investing into individual components, they can build the laptop themselves _just like_ the DIY edition, but more hardcore.
@@drayke8886 Nah, Framework investor Linus Sebastian of Linus Tech TIps fame has been at the factory, displayed some video of it, and that _is_ what they were doing. Not sure if they _still_ do it, but it wwas brought up recently, _yet again_ in LTT's 16-inch review.
I don't mind a lot of screws as long as I don't have to look around for hidden screws on top or bottom. This is how all equipment, not only computers, should be made. Just use the code to get the spare part from the manufacturer and move on. Be able to mod it, clean it, repair it. The 16 is on my list as a company purchase and later a personal one
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf I had one of those, there is no comparison between these. Alienware`s were supposed to be customisable not upgradable for a steep markup (insane power tho) . Times have changed and the target group is a different one.
There's a quick keyboard mod that can fix the typing, put a thermal pad on top of the exposed cooler, it provides support to the metal midframe and massively helps
They‘ve done it. THEY‘VE ACTUALLY DONE IT!!!! Alright! They convinced me! Im gettin‘ a framework! Edit: Ya might be overdoin it with the likes… (Thank you)
@@amanfrom2034 Y‘know what?! Originally i wanted to buy a new mac. But Now?! After seeing this?! NO CHANCE. Im gettin‘ a framework! And im gonna do it on linux! THIS is a MAC KILLER. THIS. Is a laptop! And that‘s worth 2 Grand to me!
Probably my next laptop in 2025 when it's time to retire my macbook. I just wish that the battery would slide in and out like the GPU does. Besides this small-ish complaint, this laptop is 99% perfection.
I love how modular the laptop is and you can customize with your need, instead of just use the preset from the manufacturer. I wish I can buy this laptop in my country.
My Powerbook 540c back in the 90ies was the same. You could remove the diskdrive, put a extra battery instead there,, or a pcmcia port etc. The cpu was on a replaceable pcb. you could upgrade the 68040 to a PowerPC cpu (which is a completely different cpu architecture!).... but this was back in the 90ies ofcourse.
“..as all these screws are LABELED and CAPTIVE..” I want to blast this clip over and over at every other laptop OEM’s booth at every trade show. I’ll learn to DJ and make special LABELED and CAPTIVE remixes of popular music. It’s unlikely I’d actually do it, but the thought of a LABELED and CAPTIVE tattoo crossed my mind.
If I had enough money to buy this. I would definitely. Holy cow, this is an amazing laptop. And I love your videos. Why am I always getting so many likes?
At 8:52 "It's kilometers ahead of the competition" While I dislike "miles", in this case "It's miles ahead of the competition" has a nicer ring to it. lol
If they are not affordable in the UK I wonder who buys them... But yeah, I bought better laptop (spec) for $750 where weaker Framework is $1522 before taxes (so +21% for me). But I will have to upgrade soon enough... ;/ Also my laptop (Lenovo) won't charge with other than shipped charger, even with slightly weaker lenovo charger from previous model and I don't know how to disable it.
I just upgraded my laptop a couple months ago but I'll definitely be keeping an eye on framework laptops in the future. Definitely love the idea of an upgradable laptop 🔥🔥
I absolutely love what Framework is doing. Hope to see a convertible with a touchscreen and pen support in the future. I would buy immediately one if they manage to develop a Framework convertible like a Surface Laptop Studio. Maybe Microsoft could partner with Framework to make the next Surface Laptop Studio as modular as the Framework. But that is wishful thinking ...
This HAS to be the next laptop I purchase, should I need one in the future. Thanks for the insight into this, it looks even better than the Framework 13.
They still are. Now almost exclusively found on gaming laptops. People always had the choice and still do. Except people chose to go for shitty thin and light laptops. Heck even gaming laptops have had replaceable gpu's, cpu's, etc.
@@1993MAZDAMIATA And what's weird is people pretend framework is the first and only laptop that lets you upgrade them. Current and past gaming laptops let you upgrade almost the same if not greater amount.
I really want to have a Framework smartphone, we really need a Fairphone alternative. Surely Fairphone does a lot of things right, but I'd really prefer a much more compact device with a headphone jack and a better chipset (I know the reason for the current chipset)... For me, the ideal phone would have: - A screen under 6 inches - No notch, punch hole or any other kind of screen interruption (optional screen with selfie cam for those who really need it) - Ultrasonic fingerprint scanner - Expandable storage, headphone jack, IR blaster - Physical privacy switches (like on the Librem 5) - 2 Notification LEDs on the frame (top and bottom) - User replaceable battery - Repairable and upgradable I love Frameworks mission, compared to Apple, they ACTUALLY care about the environment and the consumer, brilliant video, Hugh!
They day Framework makes a printer I will do a triple double backflip. And they’ve acknowledged it a few times already, especially in the past few days given HP’s recent statements!
Hello Hugh, i'm a big fan of yor channel, i rarely miss your new videos. i just want to say that your videos are amazing and made me gain more confidence in my work as a technician, i work with computers and cellphones, mostly in hardware repairs. i just want to suggest you to make a video talking about the now-dead ARA Project, developed originally by Google and which was supposed to make modular phones like the Framework 16. I send you greetings form my country in South america, Bolivia.
Wow, i am amazed. In 2014, i used to think laptop sucks because if the gpu fails then the entire product become useless. But these allows you to remove the faulty gpu. Even if you can't find anything to replace you can still use the laptop without worrying about paying another 1000 pounds. Just marvelous. Bravo.
The problem with this configurable design is that there is so many plastics in between the essential bits. Weighing in at 2.1kg, the laptop without the dedicated GPU is some 1 kg heavier than the current laptops out there, which is a major con. For the anime fans out there, the transformable machinery in the Transformers and Robotech also have a major weight penalty.
Always built my pc´s on my own, and the prospect of a laptop this upgradable is just fantastic. Not cheap, but in the long run, where you can change the individual parts you want, is cheaper. I have a bad feeling the next Christmas I will grant my self a nice Framework 16.
The entire time while watching the disassembly of this laptop I kept seeing something and going "OH FFS OF COURSE THAT'S REPLACABLE TOO??". This laptop is a fascinating machine. Might get a Framework next time I need a laptop :)
My Acer 9920G from 2006 has removable batteries, removable GPU, CPU, Bluetooth, WiFi, DDR2, 2 HDD, keyboard and DVD, everything is interchangeable and up-datable.... and because of that still in use 30-jan 2024.
I bought Clevo design laptop with removable battery, ram, easy access to cooling, replaceable screen (just the screen not the entire assembly), keyboard and touchpad. Little plastic as well due to magnesium alloy frame but if I ever need an upgrade, this will definitely be a consideration. I'm based in UK so hopefully they do ship here. They do require recognition for this achievement and level of support.
Nice! Definitely all the features (upgradability, open ecosystem, easily exchangeable parts, good repair aids, good Linux driver support, etc.) I'd look for in a laptop if I was currently in the market for one. A bit pricey for me though, but that's to be expected with new, envelope-pushing stuff from a smaller company.
also remember that you can upgrade at your pace. not come up with a lump sum at one time. that and going from intel to amd at any point. i know my life isn't so friendly that i can fork over $500+ at anytime, this would let you do mb, ram, screen, or gpu without having to upgrade anything else. kinda reminds me of how i upgrade my pc at home.
When you have to go back to a concept from the early 2000s because that’s when things were actually user friendly and not made purely for the companies desperation in earning a profit.
I had an ASUS ROG laptop that had a 1070 in it, which was removable. I will buy my next laptop from them for sure, I want to see it for myself. Thanks for the in-depth look.
@@drayke8886at some point the technology will simply not support the newer generations of components and become obsolete, so its better to buy a new laptop from time to time
This is an amazing laptop with great concepts and I wish this would become industry standard! It all looks very stable and sturdy. The only thing I wonder is whether the pins connecting the components to the mainboard are that stable without additional pressure from screws or clips? But we'll see in the long run.
Removable PCIE graphics accelerators for laptops have been available with the MXM standard since 2010 but mostly abandoned by 2017. Laptop makers decided to implement thinner and lighter machines to compete with apple macbooks and nvidia quit making the modules even for desktop replacement (now called "GAMING") laptops. I'm glad they're coming back. This laptop looks like a marvel of modularity.
As soon as my current laptop dies, I will definitely switch to Framework machine. This is exactly what modern "prestigious" companies lack. Innovation.
This is a perfect replacement for my aging laptop. Unfortunately, Framework laptop is still not available to purchase in my country. If only they expand to more countries, I would glady buy it. Not sure how long I can hold out though.
I just went to the Frame Work website, and you can select your country to get notified when it releases, I do not know how long you can holdout for tho, but just giving you a hedds up! hoping this is helpful.
It's got a fair few teething issues that it seems like they were just kind of planning to fix in prod, but honestly if I could swing it I'd still buy one in a heartbeat. Even so, after all the absurd issues I've had trying to get things fixed and get parts for my HP ENVY laptop, and the poor job HP did repairing it when I finally convinced them to, on top of the repeated failures Dell has had of late, I'm absolutely going to be picking up a Framework 16 when the time comes for my next machine. I'm currently waiting on my new work machine to be ordered so I can more comfortably tear down this very tightly built HP and see if I can't repair/make things a little better, and if I botch it, at least I'll have my 14" M1 Pro to use til I can swing the FW 16.
I had been leaning more and more into getting a Framework Laptop as my work laptop if I need it for school and such. The only problem is they arent able yet in where I live. But when they are I for sure will get one
If you look outside of the mainstream laptop manufacturers, some still have modular GPUs and even desktop CPUs in a laptop. A few examples: Clevo, XMG, Schenker etc. Most are Clevo clones, but you have options regardless. They usually use MXM GPUs, so it is upgradable, tho for a big price most of the time.
Shows how much better Framework Ad department is (or how much more are they willing to bet). I never even heard about them and shame on google for not giving them as a result when googling Framework especially when Framework is available like in 5 countries and for example I can buy Clevo in Poland (for my kidney unfortunately).
No hot swappable battery tho, framework definitely should take a look at such feature. Not necessarily a bulky 18650-based, there are planar modular batteries too. Its soo convenient, just think about it: each battery gives you 7 hour screen on time (pretty decent by todays standards) but what if you carry 3 additional batteries (
Everybody is complaining about the price, when if you buy the pieces individually you'll eventually have a laptop that you can build within a few months. It's not _quite_ like layaway or installment plans, but if you're looking at this like _Guess I'll wait a few months_ then start buying pieces *now* and you'll not only be funding a company that managed to make it this far, but eventually also build your own laptop.
Your idea is admirable, but very expensive. Buying individual parts is not a good idea. If you buy the laptop with the GPU, the GPU costs 400€ extra. As a part it costs 559€, the screen costs 309€... Veeeery expensive. And calculate the shipment costs. By the time you would complete your laptop, most parts would be out of warranty. Don't wary, there are a lot of people buying the FW16 right now. It takes months to send those orders. And by the time the enthusiast market is saturated, you saved enough money, the kinks and quirks of the first run are ironed out, and may be some new GPU or mother board comes out... So no stress. I plan to buy one for my birthday end of this year...if my country is already included and I don't have to wait for a half year to get my laptop. Just looked at the batch 1 shipping date:Q4 of 2023. And Batch 17 is open for orders. This will be a big success if nothing serious happens.
Damn, if I was looking for a laptop I would most definitely get this one, although mine is still doing quite well, and it's decently modular for a more normal gaming laptop. Maybe in a few years, even tho price to specs isn't all that great, but gpu come out
This is dandy if you like fiddling with this sort of stuff, but the ports are all just dongles that click into the laptop. It's nice that it exists but with stuff like the fans, most folks don't even blow air to clear the vents.
0:17(except for ports) you know? everything available in *gaming* laptops today? How come that's available in the huge laptop segment is so rare according to you?
Brilliant design with incredible modularity, more manufacturers should be doing this. My only concern is the cost, as even with the DIY version, it was very easy to arrive at a £3000 price tag for a power user setup. Saying that, you do at least have the option of going in low for a minimum spec machine and upgrading as you can afford it, which is a definite bonus. Well done Framework.
yep, as long as you don't @@portman8909 need to take it with you for some reason. I mean I have my main machine on the desk and a fairly old laptop if I need to be mobile for some reason and quite a few do no?
I don't think you will reach £3k if you do sensible upgrades - don't get the R9 (seriously, you're wasting money), bring your own RAM and SSD (the latter can be salvaged from another device even), keep the modules to a minimum (don't get 20 spacers). I configured a pretty complete package at £2100, including GPU but no RAM, as I could get it for considerably cheaper online.
Get this laptop a thinkpad keyboard and hot swap battery in the back and I'll throw money at it. Also, I'd like to see the hierarchy of modules ports printed on the very case of the laptop. (1 to 6 when you take off the ports)
Really hope the marketplace takes off and we see 3rd parties providing mods for these laptops. The concept and ethos of this is exactly what the industry should be moving towards for sustainability and reducing e-waste. Seems currently they are selling these laptops faster than they can make them as there is a waiting list of a few months.
Modular is nice but is it a standard interface? That's the great thing about PCI and computers of old... made to be expandable, upgradeable, and repairable.
I don't need a big GPU in my laptop so I'll wait/hope that they will make a laptop that has more of a slim design that doesn't need the big cooling and GPU but still has the modularity of the framework experience. I just want a slimmer repairable laptop thats 16inches! I do acknowledge with the modularity comes more thickness.
5:50 Just a clarification, that is the Radeon RX7700S which is the dedicated GPU. Radeon 780M is the Integrated GPU that comes with the base model
Yes you're correct, I was reading what Windows reports in the "System" page. It doesn't show the dedicated GPU in the list of specs.
@@HughJeffreysI'm pretty sure it never shows the dedicated GPU there for some reason, the only place it shows them is the Performance Tab of Task Manager and Device Manager
@@Vedant9710you can also check it in display settings
@@Vedant9710 or using win+R and type dxdiag
@@HughJeffreys Will you cover modern gaming laptops like the acer nitro 5 which pack upgradable ram, storage. And replaceable battery and wifi card? With a 2.5' bay. Its also pretty repairable too. Like most gaming laptops.
I love how even the battery has a notice "this battery is replaceable" instead of all thew warnings on most batteries, I'll definitely buy a Framework as my new laptop next time I need a new one.
really pushing the emphasis that, this is your device, it is your right to fix and customize it. Framework really outdid themselves at this point
Just imagine if Apple and some other laptop manufacturers weren't so incredibly greedy and controlling, they could easily do this. But they won't because they have this insatiable desire to milk people for every last cent (and then some).
you still can use a screwdriver to replace battery in any modern laptop. Just another shit comment of a person who doesn't used framework shit any single day @@SlartiMarvinbartfast. Milking people is more about releasing new mobo and gpu extention that fits only new chassie. Or 50 bucks ports. Framework is a cool thing for geek review videos, but not for daily usage. It's just mediocre quality, overpriced laptop
@@wingit7335 You obviously missed the "it's open source, anyone can make and sell a module" point that was brought up multiple times in this video
@@wingit7335 Hugh mentioned at least twice that it's open source. Try paying attention next time.
Yep. Definitely my next laptop. I was afraid they'd fall through, go bankrupt, whatever. But here they are with a second fantastic product.
they've been on backorder more than a few times. as a business it appears they're doing great, hopefully they keep the momentum going
Hopefully they will still be around when my current laptop breaks or wears out
Technically their second product was the 12th gen Intel model, which already was good enough to increase my confidence in them for the long term... But this one pretty much seals the deal.
@@bradhaines3142It's still a bit unclear whether Framework are producing enough to be profitable, but it's definitely a good sign for their popularity, and a bad sign for anyone who wants them to expand to other markets. No way they'll dip their toes into other countries if they can't even satisfy demand for their existing markets. It'll only make the waiting list worse, and usually people actually need a laptop when they are buying one.
@@leonro theyve already said theyre trying to get into other countries, its just not easy to get all the paperwork straight. plus waiting on goverments to do their part im sure eats most of the time
Alex on Short Circuit found that if you put a thick thermal pad below the stamped steel plate where the keyboard sits to brace it more, it improves the feel of the keyboard substantially. Removes most of the flex that makes the keyboard feel mushy.
Hopefully Framework will include one pre-applied to the bottom of the plate with retail models.
The DIY options and the variety of customizable components and the inclusion of a modular top case and LED Matrix displays is a brilliant move. It's great to see a company prioritizing repairability and sustainability. Great review Hugh!
Funny thing about the DIY edition is they build it first before disassembly, packaging and shipment to the end-user. Framework needs to invest in a test rig for component validation or just _send it_ and resolve problems as they occur if they wish to further cut costs.
But the end-user can also cut costs their own way - they can purchase the components separately themselves, and the Framework forum likely has a component checklist for people who take this approach so after a few months of investing into individual components, they can build the laptop themselves _just like_ the DIY edition, but more hardcore.
@@manitoba-op4jx I was so disappointed seeing useless (and imo ugly) matrix leds instead a screen or touchscreen. Hopefully next time.
@@bluephreakr lol that's so stupid I hope it's false. DIY is cheaper to buy but costs more to manufacture xD
@@drayke8886 Nah, Framework investor Linus Sebastian of Linus Tech TIps fame has been at the factory, displayed some video of it, and that _is_ what they were doing. Not sure if they _still_ do it, but it wwas brought up recently, _yet again_ in LTT's 16-inch review.
I don't mind a lot of screws as long as I don't have to look around for hidden screws on top or bottom. This is how all equipment, not only computers, should be made. Just use the code to get the spare part from the manufacturer and move on. Be able to mod it, clean it, repair it. The 16 is on my list as a company purchase and later a personal one
There is a not evil reason why this kind of thing left out by Computer manufacturing companies. It's expensive and heavy
@@IslamistSocialist371 but many more evil reaaon.
God I love framework. 100% my next laptop!
This is a Right2Repair guy's dream laptop (Hello Louis Rossmann ;), with everything modular and easily fixable/upgradable. Wow! :)
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf
I had one of those, there is no comparison between these. Alienware`s were supposed to be customisable not upgradable for a steep markup (insane power tho) .
Times have changed and the target group is a different one.
i've never heard of that account skip method ever. nice job hugh
Same. Usually it's alt-F10 and a few lines in cmd to get around it.
@TechBitesArDoesn't work in the newest versions, it requires you to go online
taskkill /F /IM oobenetworkconnectionflow.exe
multiple times 6-7, until Next button is enabled
@@Wazzaps Nah you can just type anything in the email field and password you get error and an option for Offline account.
5:50 the Radeon 780M is an integrated gpu with the cpu. The Radeon RX 7700S is the dedicated GPU
YES, that was a huge mistake!
Yes you're correct, I was reading what Windows reports in the "System" page. It doesn't show the dedicated GPU in the list of specs.
@@roby2336 You could say it was a Hugh mistake
Got a 780m in my legion go and that things a beast for 30watts
This looks like an amazing piece of hardware.
From this point forward, on my radar for my next laptop purchase.
Cheers!
There's a quick keyboard mod that can fix the typing, put a thermal pad on top of the exposed cooler, it provides support to the metal midframe and massively helps
yeah by ltt, similar to keyboard mod
Or a piece of folded paper if you don't want to feel hot while typing (as thermal pad transfers heat directly from the cooler to midframe)
@@sihamhamda47 if you're cold they're cold, give your cat a warm keyboard to sit on.
100% they'll update the keyboard in the next revision though
@@sihamhamda47It shouldn't really transfer much heat if you don't place it on heat-producing components.
They‘ve done it. THEY‘VE ACTUALLY DONE IT!!!!
Alright! They convinced me! Im gettin‘ a framework!
Edit: Ya might be overdoin it with the likes… (Thank you)
Yes, this is the ultimate laptop!
@@amanfrom2034 Y‘know what?! Originally i wanted to buy a new mac. But Now?! After seeing this?! NO CHANCE. Im gettin‘ a framework! And im gonna do it on linux! THIS is a MAC KILLER. THIS. Is a laptop! And that‘s worth 2 Grand to me!
time to change your name to thedudewithdaframework lol
@@soupdrinker72 Yes. That‘ll be rebrand number five then. 😂
This is really a WOW MOMENT.
Mad respect for making the framework open to third parties
Probably my next laptop in 2025 when it's time to retire my macbook. I just wish that the battery would slide in and out like the GPU does. Besides this small-ish complaint, this laptop is 99% perfection.
5:49 "This module contains the Radeon 780M graphics card" Thats the iGPU, the module has a RX 7700S. Could even see it on the packaging when unboxing
I love how modular the laptop is and you can customize with your need, instead of just use the preset from the manufacturer. I wish I can buy this laptop in my country.
Ditto. They're available in Hugh's country, but not mine, even though we're just across the ditch.
My Powerbook 540c back in the 90ies was the same. You could remove the diskdrive, put a extra battery instead there,, or a pcmcia port etc. The cpu was on a replaceable pcb. you could upgrade the 68040 to a PowerPC cpu (which is a completely different cpu architecture!).... but this was back in the 90ies ofcourse.
“..as all these screws are LABELED and CAPTIVE..”
I want to blast this clip over and over at every other laptop OEM’s booth at every trade show. I’ll learn to DJ and make special LABELED and CAPTIVE remixes of popular music. It’s unlikely I’d actually do it, but the thought of a LABELED and CAPTIVE tattoo crossed my mind.
If I had enough money to buy this. I would definitely. Holy cow, this is an amazing laptop. And I love your videos.
Why am I always getting so many likes?
i would recommend looking for a used one as extra parts for them are everywhere with time prices will fall
At 8:52 "It's kilometers ahead of the competition" While I dislike "miles", in this case "It's miles ahead of the competition" has a nicer ring to it. lol
@@MrWolf-em6ke Well yes
Wonderful. This is the tech design example to follow in the 2020s. I only wish that Framework were more readily available and affordable in the UK.
If they are not affordable in the UK I wonder who buys them... But yeah, I bought better laptop (spec) for $750 where weaker Framework is $1522 before taxes (so +21% for me). But I will have to upgrade soon enough... ;/
Also my laptop (Lenovo) won't charge with other than shipped charger, even with slightly weaker lenovo charger from previous model and I don't know how to disable it.
I just upgraded my laptop a couple months ago but I'll definitely be keeping an eye on framework laptops in the future. Definitely love the idea of an upgradable laptop 🔥🔥
I absolutely love what Framework is doing.
Hope to see a convertible with a touchscreen and pen support in the future.
I would buy immediately one if they manage to develop a Framework convertible like a Surface Laptop Studio.
Maybe Microsoft could partner with Framework to make the next Surface Laptop Studio as modular as the Framework.
But that is wishful thinking ...
Microsoft would buy them just to shut them down
This HAS to be the next laptop I purchase, should I need one in the future. Thanks for the insight into this, it looks even better than the Framework 13.
Just so you can buy wisely there are others who do this like Clevo.
Google modular laptop
I love this idea. Only thing thats keeping me away from this is its price sadly :(
only 1700£ base model :)
@@adredyyea only
Thanks for the walk-through Hugh! What a great product! They'll be making a sale to me soon!😃👍
I think its quite funny how alot of these things used to be common in laptops but people forgot.
True
@@curtisj2165 even PCU on standalone PCV. But everything has to be small and pretty now, with life of 4 years for high end machines.
They still are. Now almost exclusively found on gaming laptops.
People always had the choice and still do. Except people chose to go for shitty thin and light laptops.
Heck even gaming laptops have had replaceable gpu's, cpu's, etc.
@@siyzerix yeah my dad has a legion laptop with a replaceable battery and stuff. It’s pretty slick
@@1993MAZDAMIATA And what's weird is people pretend framework is the first and only laptop that lets you upgrade them. Current and past gaming laptops let you upgrade almost the same if not greater amount.
Taking apart a laptop like that is just so beautiful with how simple it is and i love it
I really want to have a Framework smartphone, we really need a Fairphone alternative.
Surely Fairphone does a lot of things right, but I'd really prefer a much more compact device with a headphone jack and a better chipset (I know the reason for the current chipset)...
For me, the ideal phone would have:
- A screen under 6 inches
- No notch, punch hole or any other kind of screen interruption (optional screen with selfie cam for those who really need it)
- Ultrasonic fingerprint scanner
- Expandable storage, headphone jack, IR blaster
- Physical privacy switches (like on the Librem 5)
- 2 Notification LEDs on the frame (top and bottom)
- User replaceable battery
- Repairable and upgradable
I love Frameworks mission, compared to Apple, they ACTUALLY care about the environment and the consumer, brilliant video, Hugh!
It's harder with a phone as it has to be dust resistant and to a degree water resistant.
They day Framework makes a printer I will do a triple double backflip. And they’ve acknowledged it a few times already, especially in the past few days given HP’s recent statements!
Hello Hugh, i'm a big fan of yor channel, i rarely miss your new videos. i just want to say that your videos are amazing and made me gain more confidence in my work as a technician, i work with computers and cellphones, mostly in hardware repairs. i just want to suggest you to make a video talking about the now-dead ARA Project, developed originally by Google and which was supposed to make modular phones like the Framework 16. I send you greetings form my country in South america, Bolivia.
Wow, i am amazed. In 2014, i used to think laptop sucks because if the gpu fails then the entire product become useless. But these allows you to remove the faulty gpu. Even if you can't find anything to replace you can still use the laptop without worrying about paying another 1000 pounds. Just marvelous. Bravo.
The problem with this configurable design is that there is so many plastics in between the essential bits. Weighing in at 2.1kg, the laptop without the dedicated GPU is some 1 kg heavier than the current laptops out there, which is a major con.
For the anime fans out there, the transformable machinery in the Transformers and Robotech also have a major weight penalty.
Always built my pc´s on my own, and the prospect of a laptop this upgradable is just fantastic. Not cheap, but in the long run, where you can change the individual parts you want, is cheaper. I have a bad feeling the next Christmas I will grant my self a nice Framework 16.
The entire time while watching the disassembly of this laptop I kept seeing something and going "OH FFS OF COURSE THAT'S REPLACABLE TOO??". This laptop is a fascinating machine. Might get a Framework next time I need a laptop :)
My Acer 9920G from 2006 has removable batteries, removable GPU, CPU, Bluetooth, WiFi, DDR2, 2 HDD, keyboard and DVD, everything is interchangeable and up-datable.... and because of that still in use 30-jan 2024.
I bought Clevo design laptop with removable battery, ram, easy access to cooling, replaceable screen (just the screen not the entire assembly), keyboard and touchpad.
Little plastic as well due to magnesium alloy frame but if I ever need an upgrade, this will definitely be a consideration.
I'm based in UK so hopefully they do ship here. They do require recognition for this achievement and level of support.
Nice! Definitely all the features (upgradability, open ecosystem, easily exchangeable parts, good repair aids, good Linux driver support, etc.) I'd look for in a laptop if I was currently in the market for one. A bit pricey for me though, but that's to be expected with new, envelope-pushing stuff from a smaller company.
also remember that you can upgrade at your pace. not come up with a lump sum at one time. that and going from intel to amd at any point. i know my life isn't so friendly that i can fork over $500+ at anytime, this would let you do mb, ram, screen, or gpu without having to upgrade anything else. kinda reminds me of how i upgrade my pc at home.
now if only they offered a _TarckPoint™_ equipped keyboard... 😏
When you have to go back to a concept from the early 2000s because that’s when things were actually user friendly and not made purely for the companies desperation in earning a profit.
Agreed - we had user replaceable CPUs in laptops back then, for God's sake.
FINALLY... I've been waiting on this since the first release. Since MXM seems to be dead there's finally another option for when your GPU dies....
I had an ASUS ROG laptop that had a 1070 in it, which was removable. I will buy my next laptop from them for sure, I want to see it for myself. Thanks for the in-depth look.
Crazy, just today I considered changing my 13 inch framework to this machine.
Isn't the point of keeping old and upgrading what you need?
@@drayke8886at some point the technology will simply not support the newer generations of components and become obsolete, so its better to buy a new laptop from time to time
5:49 You misspelled there, it contains the RX 7700S graphics card, the 780M is the integrated one that mentioned later
correction: the integrated graphics are the Radeon 780M, and the dedicated GPU module is a Radeon RX 7700S
Love the review, but casually sliding in that Win 11 login bypass is also really helpful!
I see community projects bringing actual graphics cards mods to the framework laptops, another W to framework
This is an amazing laptop with great concepts and I wish this would become industry standard! It all looks very stable and sturdy. The only thing I wonder is whether the pins connecting the components to the mainboard are that stable without additional pressure from screws or clips? But we'll see in the long run.
I’m in batch 5, can’t wait to get mine!!
The dedicated GPU is not the 780M, but Radeon 7700S. 780M is the integrated GPU.
Removable PCIE graphics accelerators for laptops have been available with the MXM standard since 2010 but mostly abandoned by 2017. Laptop makers decided to implement thinner and lighter machines to compete with apple macbooks and nvidia quit making the modules even for desktop replacement (now called "GAMING") laptops.
I'm glad they're coming back. This laptop looks like a marvel of modularity.
As soon as my current laptop dies, I will definitely switch to Framework machine. This is exactly what modern "prestigious" companies lack. Innovation.
This is a perfect replacement for my aging laptop. Unfortunately, Framework laptop is still not available to purchase in my country. If only they expand to more countries, I would glady buy it. Not sure how long I can hold out though.
I just went to the Frame Work website, and you can select your country to get notified when it releases, I do not know how long you can holdout for tho, but just giving you a hedds up! hoping this is helpful.
It's got a fair few teething issues that it seems like they were just kind of planning to fix in prod, but honestly if I could swing it I'd still buy one in a heartbeat. Even so, after all the absurd issues I've had trying to get things fixed and get parts for my HP ENVY laptop, and the poor job HP did repairing it when I finally convinced them to, on top of the repeated failures Dell has had of late, I'm absolutely going to be picking up a Framework 16 when the time comes for my next machine.
I'm currently waiting on my new work machine to be ordered so I can more comfortably tear down this very tightly built HP and see if I can't repair/make things a little better, and if I botch it, at least I'll have my 14" M1 Pro to use til I can swing the FW 16.
Right-To-Repair done right.
I like it, but in Australia a macbook costs half the price of framework with all its components.
Awesome work guys 👍👏
I wish they could ship to Norway already! I really wanted a Framework laptop.
LTT's review has tips on how to improve the keyboard...maybe you could give some feedback on whether you feel it improves the keyboard much?
One thing i learnt in this review is the screw numbers on the metal plate under the keyboard.
Thanks for the tip re: Windows 11 local account. Didn't realize we could do that!
I had been leaning more and more into getting a Framework Laptop as my work laptop if I need it for school and such. The only problem is they arent able yet in where I live. But when they are I for sure will get one
If you look outside of the mainstream laptop manufacturers, some still have modular GPUs and even desktop CPUs in a laptop. A few examples: Clevo, XMG, Schenker etc. Most are Clevo clones, but you have options regardless. They usually use MXM GPUs, so it is upgradable, tho for a big price most of the time.
Shows how much better Framework Ad department is (or how much more are they willing to bet). I never even heard about them and shame on google for not giving them as a result when googling Framework especially when Framework is available like in 5 countries and for example I can buy Clevo in Poland (for my kidney unfortunately).
No hot swappable battery tho, framework definitely should take a look at such feature. Not necessarily a bulky 18650-based, there are planar modular batteries too.
Its soo convenient, just think about it: each battery gives you 7 hour screen on time (pretty decent by todays standards) but what if you carry 3 additional batteries (
Everybody is complaining about the price, when if you buy the pieces individually you'll eventually have a laptop that you can build within a few months. It's not _quite_ like layaway or installment plans, but if you're looking at this like _Guess I'll wait a few months_ then start buying pieces *now* and you'll not only be funding a company that managed to make it this far, but eventually also build your own laptop.
Your idea is admirable, but very expensive. Buying individual parts is not a good idea. If you buy the laptop with the GPU, the GPU costs 400€ extra. As a part it costs 559€, the screen costs 309€... Veeeery expensive. And calculate the shipment costs. By the time you would complete your laptop, most parts would be out of warranty. Don't wary, there are a lot of people buying the FW16 right now. It takes months to send those orders. And by the time the enthusiast market is saturated, you saved enough money, the kinks and quirks of the first run are ironed out, and may be some new GPU or mother board comes out... So no stress. I plan to buy one for my birthday end of this year...if my country is already included and I don't have to wait for a half year to get my laptop. Just looked at the batch 1 shipping date:Q4 of 2023. And Batch 17 is open for orders. This will be a big success if nothing serious happens.
Incredible piece of tech... We need to talk about this company more often
The side spacers, I would just want better speakers there.Otherwise, I would install the number pad. Love me a number pad.
Mine is coming soon (batch 1)! I can't wait!
This is so cool. I’ve never been interested in buying a laptop but after seeing this I’m really interested to see how far they go with it.
Damn, if I was looking for a laptop I would most definitely get this one, although mine is still doing quite well, and it's decently modular for a more normal gaming laptop.
Maybe in a few years, even tho price to specs isn't all that great, but gpu come out
This is dandy if you like fiddling with this sort of stuff, but the ports are all just dongles that click into the laptop. It's nice that it exists but with stuff like the fans, most folks don't even blow air to clear the vents.
Framework's aesthetics is now getting more premium and premium with each iteration, its awesome!
"But if you can replace the GPU, thats a huge security risk 😢" -Apple probably
2:59 It is actually not aluminum and plastic. It is actually made from aluminum and magnesium alloys.
Fantastic laptop. This is how it should be done!
Correction, the GPU module doesn't contain the 780M, that's the iGPU
Definitely my next laptop IF they become available in our country
Best designed laptop of All-time ❤
Finally they have my ideal Laptop, been quiet a few years now.
2:40 or you could press „Work or school“ and then „join a domain instead“ and then you can enter a local user account :)
They really did it. A great laptop designed for a true Creator.
I can just see the stock market tickers one side for New York stock exchange. The other one for Nasdaq going on those LEDs on the side! 💯💯❤️❤️
5:48 The 780M is the integrated graphics chip on the CPU. The dedicated GPU is the Radeon 7700M.
*7700S.
The geek tinkerer in me really loves this.
So glad I got this videovin my feed
0:17(except for ports) you know? everything available in *gaming* laptops today? How come that's available in the huge laptop segment is so rare according to you?
Thank you. They need partners for global distribution.
I'm really in love with this new Laptop.. Sadly I dont have that kind of money laying around to buy one
best alternative for building a desktop pc
Honestly, i could see myself using this laptop. i love it
The LTT team reviewed this and found that just sticking some thermal pads under the leyboard improved the feel 10 fold, as the main issue is the flex
Correction: The graphics card module it is a Radeon RX 7700S. The Radeon 780m is the integrated Graphics.
I love their packaging
Brilliant design with incredible modularity, more manufacturers should be doing this. My only concern is the cost, as even with the DIY version, it was very easy to arrive at a £3000 price tag for a power user setup. Saying that, you do at least have the option of going in low for a minimum spec machine and upgrading as you can afford it, which is a definite bonus. Well done Framework.
Better off building your own desktop for half the cost and twice the power.
yep, as long as you don't @@portman8909 need to take it with you for some reason. I mean I have my main machine on the desk and a fairly old laptop if I need to be mobile for some reason and quite a few do no?
@@portman8909Good luck lugging a piece of furniture around with you, along with all the other shit it needs to function...
Obviously depends if you need to move around or not. Even still just get a basic laptop and desktop for home.@@itIsI988
I don't think you will reach £3k if you do sensible upgrades - don't get the R9 (seriously, you're wasting money), bring your own RAM and SSD (the latter can be salvaged from another device even), keep the modules to a minimum (don't get 20 spacers). I configured a pretty complete package at £2100, including GPU but no RAM, as I could get it for considerably cheaper online.
This is honestly fucking awesome! I hope this catches on!!!
Hi like the video s thanks for the intertanment
Get this laptop a thinkpad keyboard and hot swap battery in the back and I'll throw money at it.
Also, I'd like to see the hierarchy of modules ports printed on the very case of the laptop. (1 to 6 when you take off the ports)
Really hope the marketplace takes off and we see 3rd parties providing mods for these laptops. The concept and ethos of this is exactly what the industry should be moving towards for sustainability and reducing e-waste. Seems currently they are selling these laptops faster than they can make them as there is a waiting list of a few months.
Modular is nice but is it a standard interface? That's the great thing about PCI and computers of old... made to be expandable, upgradeable, and repairable.
I don't need a big GPU in my laptop so I'll wait/hope that they will make a laptop that has more of a slim design that doesn't need the big cooling and GPU but still has the modularity of the framework experience. I just want a slimmer repairable laptop thats 16inches! I do acknowledge with the modularity comes more thickness.
5:50 780m is an iGPU, what you wanted tp say was 7700m
its actually a 7700s lol
I have been waiting for two years to buy Framework laptop but unfortunately they don´t ship to Iceland yet.
i'm so amazed by the great job this company did
Love this company. I really hope in the future they make a smartphone. :)
check out fairphone, their phones are similar in repairability.
Me too!
A great alternative to Fairphone. Add headphone jack and you're good to go.
@@gionspenzersSadly, they only ship in Europe.
A smartphone with an m.2 slot and capable of running win 11 arm 🎉