Call me crazy but I enjoyed more watching this dude (CEO) talking to a phone while explaining the product than watching a million dollar apple keynote with drones, special effects, etc.
Completely agree. It’s way more personal and you get a sense of genuine pride in the product and Framework as a company. It’s that same feel when an indie game dev releases an update and demonstrates the hard work they’ve put in to make the game the best version of itself. The future’s looking bright
To be absolutely fair, they are showcase to their respective markets. The framework laptop leans towards people that are technically inclined. Apple Keynotes are dumbed down to layman California speak. But I agree. Get rid of the marketing BS and just show us a product. If the simple minded cant understand it, a tech reviewer will explain it. Kinda sad really. The mass general market don’t even watch apple keynotes given how so many people don’t know about features that was blatantly explained to them. They just go for the tech reviewer to summarize it.
I used Macbooks as my main/only computer for about 13 years and never watched an Apple keynote during that time. Tech presentations of that nature are near-universally awful, whether they be Apple, AMD, Microsoft, Intel...
My favourite feature of the framework: " btw you can just attach the newest display we have with any of the previous laptop version you have". Insane tech.
Yeah, I'm definitely ordering an upgraded display soon. I'm still on Ryzen, but the new specs are ABSURDLY good. And for $270, it's a STEAL. VRR up to 120Hz AND 2.8K?!? Nuts.
The only thing I'd change to your thought is that this is incredibly sane tech. All the companies using weird fasteners and soldered components are the insane ones.
This video describes everything I want from a laptop company: honest, direct, no business BS, listening to the community & going for a good product, not a good margin all presented not by a suit but by an engineer
What impressed me most is you didn't mention AI once eventhough the new processor includes an NPU - appreciate it. Other brands would have spent 90% of the video talking about how it's going to change your life lol
I was sold the moment he said “the weird part about the display is, it’s rounded corners” and explained the manufacturing process. That’s brutally honest & open. Nobody does that. I’m looking forward to buying framework as my next laptop! Please keep up this amazing work!
Same! So long as there is a touchscreen option, probs will get one in like a year or so (whenever my current laptop dies and I inevitably can't fix it due to anti-consumer practices lol)
@SilverJoystixCan you read? He explicitly said he loved how they _explained_ why the corners are rounded. They had no issue being honest about their supply chain issues and why/how they ended up with a rounded corner display.
I love how absolutely down to earth you guys are. Don't ever hire some marketing studio to do your presentations. Do this. I cannot tell you how refreshing your take on tech is.
It is excellent but we need to make sure we actually buy their products too so they survive. There is a reason the big guys do what they do, it sells stuff. So we, as this type of consumer, need to "vote with our wallets"
@@anthonyz2989 Is it not a fallacy to say all big companies are what we wanted? The economy of scale alone probably shaves off enough margins to stay competitive with the market if they make them of cardboard and still penny-pinch enough to make the most of their few ~~victims~~ customers. Even if not, why are we even assuming the market knows what it's doing? For all we do know, it could be that the entire upper/middle management of these firms consists entirely of fractal Potemkin villages, with everyone just seeking to impress the next layer up by cargo-culting Apple. And even if we assume the manufacturer is a rational agent, the strategy will always be the irrational consumer. It is cheaper to scam enough people by selling garbage en-mass than to appease a relatively small crowd of professionals. The real client of a public corporation are its shareholders, you and the product are just an intermediate link to profit. You cannot steer a ship from the galley. We can and should support these independent companies, but we must also actively attack their large rivals, for they will do everything in their power to maintain market dominance if it's even close to being threatened. Break up Lenovo and we'll see how well they can do on an even playing field with others.
@@anthonyz2989 the exact reason I went ahead and got a 13 last year. I needed a new laptop and figured I'd spend a bit more than normal to support them.
If only it was actually affordable here in India, it would have swamped the market by now. It is just too costly and is more like Apple in pricing. That demographic anyways won't go for framework.
Jesus! Honesty is it?! It was so refreshing to hear an engineer describe a product! "Yes, we have a slightly curved corner, I don't like it either but it was the only way to satisfy the resolution requirements without spending waaaay too much on R&D." Honesty and reasoning. Thank you Framework, you earned my heart! ❤
The Framework CEO just gave a shout-out to the company that helped them make those sweet, rounded corners on the Framework laptop. He's a man of culture.
@@edenassos I guess them is talking about how consumer friendly it is. You can repair your laptop way easier than any presoldered machine you can buy today.
@@edenassos No but I do run a small electronics business building VR full body trackers with right to repair being central to our design philosophy. What about yourself? You got any electronic manufacturing experience?
Your strategy for hardware is much more pleasant then other companies I've seen. Focusing on quality of life improvements and perfecting what works year over year is extremely nice; Such a strategy makes it feels like framework laptops are devices made for practicality and getting things done, rather then a fancy fashion statement of a tech product. Thanks for all your hardwork!
Same. I’d buy their merch but they’re sold out of T-shirts. I want to support them being in business so that I can have the opportunity to buy their hardware when it makes sense to replace mine.
Same, my M1 Macbook is doing pretty well (although it's only 2 years old now. I like to keep my laptops for 10 years (like I did with my old macBooks), but now I might be able to keep my laptops for ∞ years!
I want that expansion card holder! Everyone (rightly) talking about the great content and presentation of this video. I'm super impressed bc I think it was a one-shot video. 13 minutes without (too much) repetition, fumbling, mumbling, and "uh"s. Truly impressive!
you just made me watch and be interested in an add. crazy how refreshing it is to hear a company speak honestly and openly about their tech. i already suspected this would be the case, but it seems almost certain that my next laptop will be a framework
Just got a screenshot from a friend of a "Gaming Laptop" from a big german tech retailer. I think it was a Microsoft Surface Laptop or something in the direction of that.
Bought my framework 13 the moment it was launched in the Netherlands. Didn't regret it for a second. Hoped the company would survive and continued to be great so I could keep upgrading. My hopes have been met. Have been a full on supporter from the start. Keep going.
Man, I think it's sad that not more CEOs/ companies are that passionate about their product. It was a real joy to listen to you presenting the new iteration of the laptop.
As an IT professional, having a fleet of modular framework laptops in an enterprise environment would be a game changer in terms of repairs and upgrades. Really hope this move will work out for them.
It's insane these days. Replacing a broken USB-C charging port is literally just a $9 fix that takes less than 10 seconds and no tools. Try that on literally any other laptop, you're looking at a pricey mainboard repair, if you can even get inside at all.
@@christopher6895 I spoke to my tech department. They said framework is not business ready yet, since they do batch production and my company needs laptops on demand :(
@@SnownelVEVO Yes, and in my past experience it usually means sending a service tech to do the replacement on site. With this approach it simplifies the process to how a desktop was managed, send the part local IT support staff put it in, and return the faulty component.
This is what an IBM laptop used to be decades ago. I remember having one at work that was already old, but supported upgrades. Today you buy a second hand one knowing that it will last as long as a new one...
I'm going to pre order one of these. I want to thank the boss for being so down to earth and transparent over the products you make. Never lose it as a consumer It's unique and refreshing to see.
While I might not be a big fan of the rounded corners, I can understand the sacrifices you had to make. Thank you for explaining why you made the choices you did.
I was gonna write a somewhat snarky comment akin to "that's nice, but when are you gonna ship to Sweden?" but went to the forums and saw the blogpost that said "we’ll be launching in Sweden, Finland, and Denmark this June" so I've got nothing to complain about anymore. Love what you do, and can't wait to delve into the details of what's changed with this revision. Keep up the good work, everyone!
@@PerMejdal got mine last year, and it on of the best keyboards I have ever used, so I dont think they will, nothing about it feels or seems to be cheaped out on! :)
@@PerMejdal That reminds me of Singapore, where the US keyboard is used, but Acer and Dell ship US International layout keyboards on their devices, which we then set in Windows as a regular US keyboard to avoid that Windows trick it has for inputting accented characters with the international layout that makes it hard for us to type ' and ". (Xorg and Wayland text input on Linux instead have alternate layouts that let us use the Euro and Rupee signs on US International layout keyboards without that accented character input).
Still waiting for Switzerland though... I know it's a small country, but I am pretty sure that there would be a high demand, and the Swiss are also willing to pay a high price. Not that the Framework laptops are overpriced of course!
Would love to see LPCAMM2 memory eventually make its way into the Framework laptops to replace the current SO-DIMMS. What a great series of upgrades here!
Since the bezel around the display is easly interchangeable, why not making a rounded corners version of it? Do you think it would make it less distracting?
Oh man im so excited about 120hz display on a non-gaming laptop. I wish more companies listened to feedback like framework does. I love this type of presentation so much more than some kind of keynote or other flashy ad.
@@opfipip3711 They already do, they have for some time. Dell put a five year warranty on burn-in and dead pixels on my QD-OLED monitor. That is not normal for ANY display, they wanted to make a statement. You keep the panel voltage low, design the panel with adequate heat dissipation (like the milled aluminum backing Framework uses), shift the pixels occasionally when static content is being displayed, dim logos on TVs, and exercise the pixels when the display is "off" once every few months (usually called panel maintenance in the menus). This is all done in firmware by panel vendors. Apple and Samsung are now stacking OLEDs to run them at even lower voltages and temperatures with higher brightness, called "tandem" OLEDs. Burn-in hasn't been an issue for a number of years now, at least in high-end displays from reputable manufacturers. Consider giving the display space a deeper look, there are some really cool existing and upcoming technologies you might not know about. Only blue pixels burn-in and they recently invented a blue OLED pixel that does not burn-in in a lab. They have also figured out how to stimulate quantum dots with electricity directly, bypassing the need for a blue OLED layer entirely. Expect both of those technologies in the next two years or so. Micro-LED is also dropping in price, and there are a few other next-gen technologies to be aware of.
Yeaaa that's a product overview we all needed. No flashy animations for milions of $, No renderings what show you literaly nothing, no giant hall for splendor that the cost of the marketing is than transfert to the end product price. Just a informative video about a new thinks that are coming, without any nonsens. You got a huge plus by me for that.
- And one of the most wanted features for the Linux users is... - Maxed out battery life??? Fixed retimers?! - The super key! - Wooo! Even better! 🎉 All jokes aside, amazing news Framework! As a proud user of batch5 gen11 DIY (upgraded to gen12), the only thing that I really want is full sized arrow keys (extending upwards and taking part of right shift's real estate). Sure, it's harder to implement than changing one key, but it would be awesome. And it can be done without altering the top cover.
@@KJ4EZJ Most OLEDs use PWM for dimming causing eye strain for some amount of people and mini-LED is more complex to manufacture increasing costs. Current IPS panels with anti-reflection coating are good middle ground imo. Framework could develop dev kit for 3rd party support and DIY'ers, but kit and software support could become costly for company already low on profit margins compared to large players. As heard in the video, Framework looked at current display panel manufacturer offers and only few satisfied their requirements, one being backwards compatibility.
@@KJ4EZJ Maybe a hot take but I don't want OLED, I spend 90% of time on the terminal on my Framework, until I can be guaranteed absolutely no burn-in, the current display tech is fine.
@@victoralmanzar1273 They solved that problem ages ago. All my displays are OLEDs and I am a software engineer. Dell put a five year warranty on my monitor, including for burn-in...that's how confident they are. You run low panel voltages, keep the panel cool while in-use, pixel-shift for static content, and perform a panel refresh (which exercises all the pixels for an hour or so) every few months. This is all done in the display's firmware. Quantum dots and tandem stacked displays allow you to lower the panel voltage even further without any loss in brightness or quality. Only blue pixels can burn-in these days, and they have already solved that in a lab so, soon, we can leave panel maintenance behind too.
I’m failing to find info in your website about what GPU does the 16” laptop includes. It almost feels like it doesn’t have dGPU and only iGPU, but for the price I’m pretty sure they include dGPU.
big love! I don't need a new computer right now, but 100% when I'm changing laptop (either personal of company) it's going to be a framework. Your passion is contagious :)
The fact that you made the display backwards compatible and not force people to upgrade is amazing (it shouldn't be amazing, but no other company wouldn't let you do that). I can't wait till my laptop kicks it so I have an excuse to get a framework
This was a masterclass in marketing. Intentionally bad audio with the CEOs scrips feeling off the cuff and conversational. Feels exactly genuine and the actions of the company reflect it too it’s not just lip service
Loving the work guys.. However, I work out of the UK a lot, usually in dry and dusty places, while I have no doubt stripping down the laptop to clean out the dust wouldn't be an issue, some places I go have high iron content in the ground, which generates dust, which plays havoc with magnets as the stuff gets everywhere, is there a plan to do anything to maybe remove the magnets holding things together and using some sort of 'pop' push connectors? Also, for the business users, any sort of dock plans?
It would be nice to have the minimum as well as the maximum brightness of the displays listed. This makes a big difference to usability in low light conditions in my experience.
I have so much respect for you guys and what you do. This video alone speaks volumes about the qualities and values that your company upholds: honesty, integrity, and respect for your customers. I’m still using my DIY FW13 from 2021 with the i5 and it’s been a workhorse in my shop. I haven’t felt the need to upgrade but I’ll be getting the Core Ultra and new monitor because I want to support you and your mission. Don’t worry about the old board and monitor. It’ll be made into a dedicated CNC controller and give me an excuse to build a custom chassis for it! Love what you are doing, and really looking forward to what other product categories you’ll break into next!
Batch 1 preorder confirmed. Been waiting for this upgrade! Love the presentation of this video. Honest, clear, no-nonsense. The display upgrade is the unsung hero of this.
I'm a firm believer in making the most of what we already have, but I'm already itching to replace my current laptop for a Framework. It won't be yet, but I know it's only a matter of time.
I agree, but this is a unique company that's trying to be better than others, and they need your support. And the Framework way is more environmentally friendly. So an early upgrade my not be a bad choose.
Ditto -- Framework weren't yet shipping to Australia when I last needed a laptop, so I'm using a secondhand Thinkpad T480. 8th-gen Intel keeps up just fine, though I do envy the Framework's 3:2 display ratio.
I'm in the same boat. I've replaced my current laptop's keyboard, battery, and chassis in separate repairs. It still runs great, except for going to sleep whenever the hinge OPENS instead of closes. But to throw it away to get a framework would defeat the purpose of the framework in general! I left my laptop at the airport last month I was secretly hoping it wouldn't turn up so I could finally buy my framework. But no, instead it was kindly returned:(
@@Noname-km3zx Strongly disagree, and Framework disagrees as well. If you have a working laptop, buying a new one, however environmentally friendly, is wasteful! I too am in the same position and would love to upgrade, but there's nothing wrong with my current work laptop
@@CrystalStearOfTheCas If he would sell it and the person buying it would only buy the missing components to complete the laptop, wouldn't the overall environmental imprint be less?
Soon I'll be finishing uni, and hopefully get a salary where I can afford a new laptop. Fingers crossed Framework starts shipping to Denmark by the time I do.
Here is one feedback you could maybe consider. I just want speakers that face up instead of down, so I can hear movies while in bed without a Bluetooth speaker. Apple does it and it has one of the best sounds for laptops. The space in your computer is there, it just needs be able to rotate 180º and have a plate with holes.
@@chimpo131 Literally not necessary, It's already there, I can see it.. Maybe I'm missing something because it seems like the easiest thing to implement.
@@Chronically_ChiII Sounds like something the community could come up to with 3d printing but yeah, the material and integrity would be way nicer if framework offered it out of the box.
Bought the initial Framework 13 and have had 0 issues with it. But I see framework is keeping it's promise to keep them repairable and upgradeable. I gave my laptop to my brother for college, so I can't upgrade it. But I will probably buy this model. Absolute Amazing product.
Great upgrades. Found some errors on the website: Cannot buy new intel FW with Power Adapter ? Comparison page of AMD accessible through the configuration screen lists OG Ryzen 7 config with a 55Wh battery but the Button to select says 61Wh
Same. I can’t bear the thought of going back to intel with the heat and battery life issues I’ve gotten used to not having on my MacBook. And now the snapdragon x elite is out, and Microsoft has shown it can outperform the M3, I am hoping - nay, expecting - that’s the next big upgrade for Framework!
@@andrewrandall425 We still need to see third-party benchmarks for the snapdragon x elite chips so wouldn't get your hopes too high up yet. Also they did compare it to the M3 instead of M3 Pro and M3 Max which are significantly more powerful. But I'm pretty excited to see ARM Windows devices finally becoming mainstream if all the reports are true!
I am also hoping they launch one with SD. And if SD is better than M3, I am already sold. because currently I am using M1 and it still has very good performance. Never felt any problems.
yeah, and I love the background. It seems like they just walked into a workshop space and found their CEO playing around with the computer and then had him talk about it. So much better than the previous announcement!
YES I've been wanting a higher refresh rate since the start! I'd already accepted it wouldn't happen since no panel makers had any at 3:2, so this is such an awesome surprise!!
Love to hear that the fan curves have been revamped, but I was wondering if we could just have the ability to customize them in software? Would help a lot for previous gen owners!
So amazing. So grateful to have people running a company to actually make this better not just freaking greed. I am designing an open source invention of my own, for robotics development, I care a lot about this. I think it’s the only way to make our corporate landscape better, they won’t do it unless we build something better “in our garage”. Love you guys
@@mathman0569interesting, but perhaps not good. Software compatibility is a big deal, both on Windows and Linux. I doubt ARM is truly ready, but lets see.
I think maybe 1-2 years from now it might be perfect with Linux, the first kernel, which will support snapdragon x elite should be released around September. With tweaking and fixing, give it 1-2 years and hopefully nobody won't need Macs anymore.
I would love if you one day make an option to have a digitized display so we can use active pens on it. I love the idea of this company and was really considering buying one for college but I wanted to be able to write by hand on it as that's how I remember better. So this journey will have to wait a bit more. You are doing an incredible job with development so far. And I'm hoping to see this feature one day too.
@@Norp-i7m no repairable consumer grade tablets though... It would be pretty great to buy one device that can do both, But alas, we can only do a subpar diy job to have it
Would really like to see a full size 7 row keyboard on a framework laptop, something similar to the old thinkpad keyboards. Since no one does this anymore, it could be a differentiator. Writers and developers would really appreciate that.
I do hope the Framework 16's more modular design means Framework and/or third-parties will support alternative keyboard layouts. It'd be trickier to do that on the Framework 13-a 7th row would probably mean a smaller trackpad, and the lattice between the keys is part of the case.
Your agreements or whatever paperwork probably won't allow this but will we see an arm Framework? 👀 The new Snapdragon X's linux support looks to be really great
Please add keyboard pictures to the customization page so that customers can see how each of the layouts look like. Hopefully there'll be one where the arrows keys are the same size.
I've actually come to like rounded corners on displays, probably from phones etc. having them. It looks smooth and sleek. Would probably look nicer if the bezel had the same shape.
I work at a small startup, when I recommend my CEO to use Frameworks for all new hires, he said that we won't buy from a startup... Oh the irony. Well.. the ThinkPads have better keyboards anyway..
If you're 22yo and go to the dentist, does it make special sense for your dentist to be a rookie? Or do you want your first car to be a prototype from a garage somewhere, just because you're fresh off the assembly line yourself? Questionable logic.
This is the fifth generation of the Framework 13 (sixth if you count the Chromebook edition). It's the fourth generation of Intel processors. I think that they're beyond the startup phase.
Looks good, but why such a big price jump between different cpus? Even on intel’s website the price difference between 125h and 165h is like 150$, and you ask for the 165h 740$ extra. Even Apple doesn’t charge this much for some extra cpu cores.
Call me crazy but I enjoyed more watching this dude (CEO) talking to a phone while explaining the product than watching a million dollar apple keynote with drones, special effects, etc.
I can't easily put my response into words, but it's as though Framework went for more of a down-to-earth look with their video.
Completely agree. It’s way more personal and you get a sense of genuine pride in the product and Framework as a company. It’s that same feel when an indie game dev releases an update and demonstrates the hard work they’ve put in to make the game the best version of itself.
The future’s looking bright
To be absolutely fair, they are showcase to their respective markets.
The framework laptop leans towards people that are technically inclined.
Apple Keynotes are dumbed down to layman California speak.
But I agree. Get rid of the marketing BS and just show us a product. If the simple minded cant understand it, a tech reviewer will explain it.
Kinda sad really. The mass general market don’t even watch apple keynotes given how so many people don’t know about features that was blatantly explained to them. They just go for the tech reviewer to summarize it.
I get your point but it is a real camera, you can see it miss focus at a few points.
I used Macbooks as my main/only computer for about 13 years and never watched an Apple keynote during that time.
Tech presentations of that nature are near-universally awful, whether they be Apple, AMD, Microsoft, Intel...
My favourite feature of the framework: " btw you can just attach the newest display we have with any of the previous laptop version you have". Insane tech.
Yeah, I'm definitely ordering an upgraded display soon. I'm still on Ryzen, but the new specs are ABSURDLY good. And for $270, it's a STEAL. VRR up to 120Hz AND 2.8K?!? Nuts.
the new Ryzen ones also come with the new displays now@@spdcrzy but hopefully you can order it as a marketplace part soon!
I'm hoping for an OLED display option at some point
@@calebmenker988 I guess it'll take some time.
The only thing I'd change to your thought is that this is incredibly sane tech. All the companies using weird fasteners and soldered components are the insane ones.
This video describes everything I want from a laptop company: honest, direct, no business BS, listening to the community & going for a good product, not a good margin
all presented not by a suit but by an engineer
Agreed, but just to clarify : the video is presented by Nirav Patel, Framework's Founder
@@PlatyBZH While yes, he feels more like an Engineer than an Founder
bro hes the ceo
Better, the engineer *is* the suit.
@@nopeimnothere4119 he is an engineer
What impressed me most is you didn't mention AI once eventhough the new processor includes an NPU - appreciate it. Other brands would have spent 90% of the video talking about how it's going to change your life lol
You're a computer, aren't you?
And they'd have absolutely no idea what they're talking about
@@clyde2801 Sir that is Jarrod's freaking tech he is NOT a computer 💀
@@midgameubercarrier4695are you sure? Maybe he’s reviewed so many that he’s became one of them
I was sold the moment he said “the weird part about the display is, it’s rounded corners” and explained the manufacturing process. That’s brutally honest & open. Nobody does that. I’m looking forward to buying framework as my next laptop! Please keep up this amazing work!
Same! So long as there is a touchscreen option, probs will get one in like a year or so (whenever my current laptop dies and I inevitably can't fix it due to anti-consumer practices lol)
But it's not curved lol? It's just got rounded corners
That's clearly what they meant@@0M9H4X_Neckbeard
@SilverJoystixCan you read? He explicitly said he loved how they _explained_ why the corners are rounded. They had no issue being honest about their supply chain issues and why/how they ended up with a rounded corner display.
yes , yesss and yessss this is so rare these days
I love how absolutely down to earth you guys are. Don't ever hire some marketing studio to do your presentations. Do this. I cannot tell you how refreshing your take on tech is.
It is excellent but we need to make sure we actually buy their products too so they survive. There is a reason the big guys do what they do, it sells stuff. So we, as this type of consumer, need to "vote with our wallets"
@@anthonyz2989 Is it not a fallacy to say all big companies are what we wanted? The economy of scale alone probably shaves off enough margins to stay competitive with the market if they make them of cardboard and still penny-pinch enough to make the most of their few ~~victims~~ customers.
Even if not, why are we even assuming the market knows what it's doing? For all we do know, it could be that the entire upper/middle management of these firms consists entirely of fractal Potemkin villages, with everyone just seeking to impress the next layer up by cargo-culting Apple.
And even if we assume the manufacturer is a rational agent, the strategy will always be the irrational consumer. It is cheaper to scam enough people by selling garbage en-mass than to appease a relatively small crowd of professionals. The real client of a public corporation are its shareholders, you and the product are just an intermediate link to profit. You cannot steer a ship from the galley.
We can and should support these independent companies, but we must also actively attack their large rivals, for they will do everything in their power to maintain market dominance if it's even close to being threatened. Break up Lenovo and we'll see how well they can do on an even playing field with others.
@@anthonyz2989 the exact reason I went ahead and got a 13 last year. I needed a new laptop and figured I'd spend a bit more than normal to support them.
If only it was actually affordable here in India, it would have swamped the market by now. It is just too costly and is more like Apple in pricing. That demographic anyways won't go for framework.
Marketing sells
Jesus! Honesty is it?! It was so refreshing to hear an engineer describe a product!
"Yes, we have a slightly curved corner, I don't like it either but it was the only way to satisfy the resolution requirements without spending waaaay too much on R&D."
Honesty and reasoning. Thank you Framework, you earned my heart! ❤
Integer 2x scaling is rare in laptops and amazing to look at. Really glad framework nailing the linux experience.
Even for Windows it scales better if you use older applications that don't scale well, it looks sharp instead of blurry
The Framework CEO just gave a shout-out to the company that helped them make those sweet, rounded corners on the Framework laptop. He's a man of culture.
Please never change from this, this is how a computer company should be run.
You'd know because you have run a "computer company" before right?
@@edenassos I guess them is talking about how consumer friendly it is. You can repair your laptop way easier than any presoldered machine you can buy today.
@@edenassos No but I do run a small electronics business building VR full body trackers with right to repair being central to our design philosophy. What about yourself? You got any electronic manufacturing experience?
Make the OS key with the Framework logo. That will work with every OS.
That was my first thought before he came up with the Super-Key. Would like to have it on the German keyboard layout too.
@@tenzinaangson5437 Like the Tuxedo computers where you can choose a Tux or even your own logo.
I agree. There’s already a Key with the Logo on F12 but, it should be move to be the Super key 💯
Super-key is already better then everything else. And... of course NO "AI" button luckily. :D
@@MelroyvandenBergnooooo but my ai :( lol
Your strategy for hardware is much more pleasant then other companies I've seen. Focusing on quality of life improvements and perfecting what works year over year is extremely nice; Such a strategy makes it feels like framework laptops are devices made for practicality and getting things done, rather then a fancy fashion statement of a tech product. Thanks for all your hardwork!
My M1 MacBook is still going strong, but as soon as it has to be replaced,
Framework will be getting my business.
same, when my thinkpad dies... though that might take a while
Hey man. Nice comment.
Btw where do you live?
I will definitely not break into your room one night and destroy your MacBook. No no noo
@@TheAltair033 If it's the newer generation with soldered everything it won't take that long.
Same. I’d buy their merch but they’re sold out of T-shirts. I want to support them being in business so that I can have the opportunity to buy their hardware when it makes sense to replace mine.
Same, my M1 Macbook is doing pretty well (although it's only 2 years old now. I like to keep my laptops for 10 years (like I did with my old macBooks), but now I might be able to keep my laptops for ∞ years!
I want that expansion card holder!
Everyone (rightly) talking about the great content and presentation of this video. I'm super impressed bc I think it was a one-shot video. 13 minutes without (too much) repetition, fumbling, mumbling, and "uh"s. Truly impressive!
you just made me watch and be interested in an add. crazy how refreshing it is to hear a company speak honestly and openly about their tech. i already suspected this would be the case, but it seems almost certain that my next laptop will be a framework
That's some unusual transparency for a laptop company!
Meanwhile, some other brands make it almost impossible to know some basic details 😅
Just got a screenshot from a friend of a "Gaming Laptop" from a big german tech retailer. I think it was a Microsoft Surface Laptop or something in the direction of that.
Shut up and be happy with your 8gb ram which is awesome
The fact he's holding it so consistently on the corner to show the computers has no flex, is such a flex from framework.
They're so light. I could probably hold mine by the lid xD
What laptop cannot be held by the corner?
@@definingslawek4731 I've seen some budget ones that can flex so much, the motherboard can be damage (source: Andy the Technician)
I was smiling every time he rattled off the name of the processor and gave the laptop a shake on each word - pretty much 0 wobble on the screen
Bought my framework 13 the moment it was launched in the Netherlands. Didn't regret it for a second. Hoped the company would survive and continued to be great so I could keep upgrading. My hopes have been met. Have been a full on supporter from the start. Keep going.
Man, I think it's sad that not more CEOs/ companies are that passionate about their product. It was a real joy to listen to you presenting the new iteration of the laptop.
Please don’t ever change. Grow big, earn money but please still check the communities like you do now.
As an IT professional, having a fleet of modular framework laptops in an enterprise environment would be a game changer in terms of repairs and upgrades. Really hope this move will work out for them.
I'd love that in my company...
For this to work out for them, professionals like you need to advocate for rolling these out as company fleets.
It's insane these days. Replacing a broken USB-C charging port is literally just a $9 fix that takes less than 10 seconds and no tools. Try that on literally any other laptop, you're looking at a pricey mainboard repair, if you can even get inside at all.
@@christopher6895 I spoke to my tech department. They said framework is not business ready yet, since they do batch production and my company needs laptops on demand :(
@@SnownelVEVO Yes, and in my past experience it usually means sending a service tech to do the replacement on site. With this approach it simplifies the process to how a desktop was managed, send the part local IT support staff put it in, and return the faulty component.
I'm sure I'm some kind of outlier, but in my 40 years I've never seen a presentation for a new laptop of any kind that made me want it more.
This is what an IBM laptop used to be decades ago. I remember having one at work that was already old, but supported upgrades. Today you buy a second hand one knowing that it will last as long as a new one...
I have one that I use as a "disposable windows install." Once Windows 10 loses security updates I'm upgrading to a framework
The fact that they were interested in listening to Linux users and then improving the product for our needs is very praiseworthy
I'm going to pre order one of these. I want to thank the boss for being so down to earth and transparent over the products you make. Never lose it as a consumer It's unique and refreshing to see.
While I might not be a big fan of the rounded corners, I can understand the sacrifices you had to make. Thank you for explaining why you made the choices you did.
I was gonna write a somewhat snarky comment akin to "that's nice, but when are you gonna ship to Sweden?" but went to the forums and saw the blogpost that said "we’ll be launching in Sweden, Finland, and Denmark this June" so I've got nothing to complain about anymore.
Love what you do, and can't wait to delve into the details of what's changed with this revision. Keep up the good work, everyone!
Well, lets see if they cheap out and make a "Nordic keyboard" like ASUS/Acer, or we will get separate keyboards for Denmark, Norway and Sweden.
@@PerMejdal got mine last year, and it on of the best keyboards I have ever used, so I dont think they will, nothing about it feels or seems to be cheaped out on! :)
@@PerMejdal
That reminds me of Singapore, where the US keyboard is used, but Acer and Dell ship US International layout keyboards on their devices, which we then set in Windows as a regular US keyboard to avoid that Windows trick it has for inputting accented characters with the international layout that makes it hard for us to type ' and ". (Xorg and Wayland text input on Linux instead have alternate layouts that let us use the Euro and Rupee signs on US International layout keyboards without that accented character input).
Still waiting for Switzerland though... I know it's a small country, but I am pretty sure that there would be a high demand, and the Swiss are also willing to pay a high price. Not that the Framework laptops are overpriced of course!
I think they are expanding to the rest of eu first, because they didn't expand to norway.
Would love to see LPCAMM2 memory eventually make its way into the Framework laptops to replace the current SO-DIMMS. What a great series of upgrades here!
eventually when everyone has it in their models it will become an option. you can't even buy one of those laptops yet😂
@@chimpo131you actually can,the new thinkpad has it.
they probably will just wait for some other OEM to launch the process first so that they don't have to pay through the nose
@@chimpo131 hence "eventually" instead of "soon"!
I expect that to take two to four years, but I definitely agree!
Framework is doing what thinkpad used to do for me
Since the bezel around the display is easly interchangeable, why not making a rounded corners version of it? Do you think it would make it less distracting?
Full size sd card and fun color cards 👀👀
Nice upgrades
Transparent cards when?! Love the look of the ethernet card.
@@progenitor_amborella If current enclosure are aluminium, resin is going to be a bit downgrade
@@古明地恋-s9c looks cool tho
Oh man im so excited about 120hz display on a non-gaming laptop. I wish more companies listened to feedback like framework does. I love this type of presentation so much more than some kind of keynote or other flashy ad.
Okay, but...wen OLED?
@@KJ4EZJ When they last over a few years in static desktop usage, I'd guess.
@@opfipip3711 They already do, they have for some time. Dell put a five year warranty on burn-in and dead pixels on my QD-OLED monitor. That is not normal for ANY display, they wanted to make a statement. You keep the panel voltage low, design the panel with adequate heat dissipation (like the milled aluminum backing Framework uses), shift the pixels occasionally when static content is being displayed, dim logos on TVs, and exercise the pixels when the display is "off" once every few months (usually called panel maintenance in the menus). This is all done in firmware by panel vendors. Apple and Samsung are now stacking OLEDs to run them at even lower voltages and temperatures with higher brightness, called
"tandem" OLEDs. Burn-in hasn't been an issue for a number of years now, at least in high-end displays from reputable manufacturers.
Consider giving the display space a deeper look, there are some really cool existing and upcoming technologies you might not know about. Only blue pixels burn-in and they recently invented a blue OLED pixel that does not burn-in in a lab. They have also figured out how to stimulate quantum dots with electricity directly, bypassing the need for a blue OLED layer entirely. Expect both of those technologies in the next two years or so. Micro-LED is also dropping in price, and there are a few other next-gen technologies to be aware of.
I'd love nothing more than to make my company start using Framework laptops....
@@HighRankingBantam I wish you were my boss.
What's your company?
Are you still hiring?
this
Yeaaa that's a product overview we all needed. No flashy animations for milions of $, No renderings what show you literaly nothing, no giant hall for splendor that the cost of the marketing is than transfert to the end product price. Just a informative video about a new thinks that are coming, without any nonsens. You got a huge plus by me for that.
this feels so human and honest, wish more companies just talked to a camera announcing stuff
I love to see a product presentation by which actually tells you the specs in detail upfront
- And one of the most wanted features for the Linux users is...
- Maxed out battery life??? Fixed retimers?!
- The super key!
- Wooo! Even better! 🎉
All jokes aside, amazing news Framework! As a proud user of batch5 gen11 DIY (upgraded to gen12), the only thing that I really want is full sized arrow keys (extending upwards and taking part of right shift's real estate). Sure, it's harder to implement than changing one key, but it would be awesome. And it can be done without altering the top cover.
I hear a better Display? Shutup and take my money
Okay, but....wen OLED?
@@KJ4EZJ Most OLEDs use PWM for dimming causing eye strain for some amount of people and mini-LED is more complex to manufacture increasing costs. Current IPS panels with anti-reflection coating are good middle ground imo. Framework could develop dev kit for 3rd party support and DIY'ers, but kit and software support could become costly for company already low on profit margins compared to large players. As heard in the video, Framework looked at current display panel manufacturer offers and only few satisfied their requirements, one being backwards compatibility.
I want a glossy display so bad 😩
@@KJ4EZJ Maybe a hot take but I don't want OLED, I spend 90% of time on the terminal on my Framework, until I can be guaranteed absolutely no burn-in, the current display tech is fine.
@@victoralmanzar1273 They solved that problem ages ago. All my displays are OLEDs and I am a software engineer. Dell put a five year warranty on my monitor, including for burn-in...that's how confident they are. You run low panel voltages, keep the panel cool while in-use, pixel-shift for static content, and perform a panel refresh (which exercises all the pixels for an hour or so) every few months. This is all done in the display's firmware. Quantum dots and tandem stacked displays allow you to lower the panel voltage even further without any loss in brightness or quality. Only blue pixels can burn-in these days, and they have already solved that in a lab so, soon, we can leave panel maintenance behind too.
I’m failing to find info in your website about what GPU does the 16” laptop includes. It almost feels like it doesn’t have dGPU and only iGPU, but for the price I’m pretty sure they include dGPU.
AMD Radeon RX 7700S
big love!
I don't need a new computer right now, but 100% when I'm changing laptop (either personal of company) it's going to be a framework. Your passion is contagious :)
The fact that you made the display backwards compatible and not force people to upgrade is amazing (it shouldn't be amazing, but no other company wouldn't let you do that). I can't wait till my laptop kicks it so I have an excuse to get a framework
I think the rounded corner on the display could be hidden away by supplying a rounded bezel (:
Just stick some gum in the corners.
@@Norp-i7mwhat?😅
I would not be surprised to see the community come up with ideas lol
Oh wow, yeah that would actually be beautiful. I don't know why they didn't do that!
@@nope9310 so you do not have to buy a new bezel
There must be NOTHING better than showing off a new product with LOTS of bumper sticker space on the back in a demo. Bravo!
Whut?
We should hire Nirav to review laptops for us. Great job
Wait am I missing the webcam preorder link? The one I looked at just had "notify when available"
wondering if you guys are planning to use the new LPCAMM2 ram socket for a future mainboard
This was a masterclass in marketing. Intentionally bad audio with the CEOs scrips feeling off the cuff and conversational. Feels exactly genuine and the actions of the company reflect it too it’s not just lip service
This is the perfect - ultimate laptop - I bought a Framework 13 for Christmas last season and it's the BEST laptop I have ever owned - get one
Loving the work guys..
However, I work out of the UK a lot, usually in dry and dusty places, while I have no doubt stripping down the laptop to clean out the dust wouldn't be an issue, some places I go have high iron content in the ground, which generates dust, which plays havoc with magnets as the stuff gets everywhere, is there a plan to do anything to maybe remove the magnets holding things together and using some sort of 'pop' push connectors?
Also, for the business users, any sort of dock plans?
Does a case to keep out the dust help? That's an unfortunate issue, but it sounds pretty far removed from the common fast case.
@@hamptonford3066 definitely not a normal use case, but if we don’t push limits, then what’s the point in having limits…
It would be nice to have the minimum as well as the maximum brightness of the displays listed. This makes a big difference to usability in low light conditions in my experience.
I have so much respect for you guys and what you do. This video alone speaks volumes about the qualities and values that your company upholds: honesty, integrity, and respect for your customers. I’m still using my DIY FW13 from 2021 with the i5 and it’s been a workhorse in my shop. I haven’t felt the need to upgrade but I’ll be getting the Core Ultra and new monitor because I want to support you and your mission.
Don’t worry about the old board and monitor. It’ll be made into a dedicated CNC controller and give me an excuse to build a custom chassis for it!
Love what you are doing, and really looking forward to what other product categories you’ll break into next!
That's awesome!
While fractional scaling is getting cleaner over the linux ecosystem, a perfect 2x is 👌
Thank you so much for fixing the fractional scaling issue!!! 🎉🎉 Preordering the screen today!
6:12 why don't you guys supply a rounded bezel for the monitor?
Nice approach to marketing. Just raw behind the scenes presentation rather than an animated video. Nice work!
The only reason I'm not getting this laptop is because I already have the Framework Laptop 16! Great work for 13.5 inch laptop lovers though!
A display bezel with rounded corners could be nice to make it look more "polished"? But wouldn't be backward compatible with non-rounded displays.
Maybe they could make it so that the rounded corers can slide out if you want them.
Batch 1 preorder confirmed. Been waiting for this upgrade! Love the presentation of this video. Honest, clear, no-nonsense. The display upgrade is the unsung hero of this.
You could round the bezel plastic?
Every new framework generation reassures me. I'm so glad that I invested into getting a laptop from you guys.
I'm a firm believer in making the most of what we already have, but I'm already itching to replace my current laptop for a Framework. It won't be yet, but I know it's only a matter of time.
I agree, but this is a unique company that's trying to be better than others, and they need your support. And the Framework way is more environmentally friendly. So an early upgrade my not be a bad choose.
Ditto -- Framework weren't yet shipping to Australia when I last needed a laptop, so I'm using a secondhand Thinkpad T480.
8th-gen Intel keeps up just fine, though I do envy the Framework's 3:2 display ratio.
I'm in the same boat. I've replaced my current laptop's keyboard, battery, and chassis in separate repairs. It still runs great, except for going to sleep whenever the hinge OPENS instead of closes. But to throw it away to get a framework would defeat the purpose of the framework in general!
I left my laptop at the airport last month I was secretly hoping it wouldn't turn up so I could finally buy my framework. But no, instead it was kindly returned:(
@@Noname-km3zx Strongly disagree, and Framework disagrees as well. If you have a working laptop, buying a new one, however environmentally friendly, is wasteful! I too am in the same position and would love to upgrade, but there's nothing wrong with my current work laptop
@@CrystalStearOfTheCas If he would sell it and the person buying it would only buy the missing components to complete the laptop, wouldn't the overall environmental imprint be less?
this is a comment to help with the algo. I have nothing to say except thank you for what you do
I'm less than 5 minutes in and already impressed by the no BS - Straight up saying that you listen to the feedback is a HUGE thumbs from from me!
Is the updated fan only going to be compatible with the new mainboard or could you buy and install it on an old mainboard?
Soon I'll be finishing uni, and hopefully get a salary where I can afford a new laptop. Fingers crossed Framework starts shipping to Denmark by the time I do.
Same. Making uni compound butter. What about you?
They said they'll be shipping to Denmark this June
Linux first class was my biggest iffy point and now it's done! As soon as my M1 battery dies I will grab this. Thank you Framework.
can't you just get the M1 battery replaced for a fraction of the cost?
@@arniebrooks yeah but by the time I need to change it m1 would be old system and framework would probably have an arm system 😉
Here is one feedback you could maybe consider.
I just want speakers that face up instead of down, so I can hear movies while in bed without a Bluetooth speaker.
Apple does it and it has one of the best sounds for laptops.
The space in your computer is there, it just needs be able to rotate 180º and have a plate with holes.
maybe framework will have an arm version where they can free up some of the internal space and do that😂
@@chimpo131 Literally not necessary, It's already there, I can see it..
Maybe I'm missing something because it seems like the easiest thing to implement.
@@Chronically_ChiII Sounds like something the community could come up to with 3d printing but yeah, the material and integrity would be way nicer if framework offered it out of the box.
Any plan on supporting ARM (or better, RISC-V) in the future?
Bought the initial Framework 13 and have had 0 issues with it. But I see framework is keeping it's promise to keep them repairable and upgradeable. I gave my laptop to my brother for college, so I can't upgrade it. But I will probably buy this model. Absolute Amazing product.
Great upgrades.
Found some errors on the website:
Cannot buy new intel FW with Power Adapter ?
Comparison page of AMD accessible through the configuration screen lists OG Ryzen 7 config with a 55Wh battery but the Button to select says 61Wh
Also: US International Linux keyboard cannot be picked with Ryzen laptop with old screen.
When my M1 will die, if Framework will have new Snapdragon CPUs - will seriously consider switching.
Same. I can’t bear the thought of going back to intel with the heat and battery life issues I’ve gotten used to not having on my MacBook. And now the snapdragon x elite is out, and Microsoft has shown it can outperform the M3, I am hoping - nay, expecting - that’s the next big upgrade for Framework!
@@andrewrandall425 We still need to see third-party benchmarks for the snapdragon x elite chips so wouldn't get your hopes too high up yet. Also they did compare it to the M3 instead of M3 Pro and M3 Max which are significantly more powerful. But I'm pretty excited to see ARM Windows devices finally becoming mainstream if all the reports are true!
I am also hoping they launch one with SD. And if SD is better than M3, I am already sold. because currently I am using M1 and it still has very good performance. Never felt any problems.
The switching of the software ecosystem from Intel to ARM will take 5-10 years…
Resolving the fractional scaling of display is HUGE! Thank you!
The rounded corners of the panel look awesome! I love it.
0:59 why not make the switch to snapdragon for windows?
Will you make a version with the Snapdragon X Elite in the future ?
Yeah, I'm curious about that too
products announcements should be like this
yeah, and I love the background. It seems like they just walked into a workshop space and found their CEO playing around with the computer and then had him talk about it. So much better than the previous announcement!
YES I've been wanting a higher refresh rate since the start! I'd already accepted it wouldn't happen since no panel makers had any at 3:2, so this is such an awesome surprise!!
Okay, but...wen OLED?
Love to hear that the fan curves have been revamped, but I was wondering if we could just have the ability to customize them in software? Would help a lot for previous gen owners!
Can you make it constantly crash and not support most software to further make it better for linux?
A touch screen would be what makes me buy this. I use a stylus to write my notes. The upgradability is already amazing.
Still hoping for the day you guys manage to expand operations to a point where these are available on Brazil, these are absolutely *AMAZING*
Awesome, I was hoping for a touch screen tho. Keep up the great work.
6:00 You guys could make a new screen bezel model with rounded corners to be more aesthetic with this screen.
So amazing. So grateful to have people running a company to actually make this better not just freaking greed. I am designing an open source invention of my own, for robotics development, I care a lot about this. I think it’s the only way to make our corporate landscape better, they won’t do it unless we build something better “in our garage”. Love you guys
Now come to Switzerland!🇨🇭
yes please, having to order to germany and picking it up there is annoying.
Please ship to india too.. he (ceo) is an indian, still no shipment to india
@@vaisakh_km no denigration meant, but that may be more of an India problem than a Framework problem. Nirav is sympathetic I am sure.
@@thewheelieguy custom duty will make price double. so no frame work in India
@@gufran_naah,it makes laptops roughly 30-40% more expensive,not a 100%.
With ARM CPUs coming up, I wonder if Framework will be among the first to adopt the new architecture 🧐
I think they said they'd be open to ARM and even RISC-V architectures in the future
I hope they do, I understand it'd be hard, but ARM and RISC-V would both be interesting to see.
@@mathman0569interesting, but perhaps not good. Software compatibility is a big deal, both on Windows and Linux. I doubt ARM is truly ready, but lets see.
@@SocratesWasRight Yeah, I think it'd take a bit, but if we could get some new stuff, and start to get some support for hardware, that'd be nice
I think maybe 1-2 years from now it might be perfect with Linux, the first kernel, which will support snapdragon x elite should be released around September. With tweaking and fixing, give it 1-2 years and hopefully nobody won't need Macs anymore.
LINUX KEYBOARD IS REAL RAAAAAAAH
I know! No more having to worry about useless copilot keys and losing my right control key! 😁
finally!!
though I can only select it with the newer screen models, if you want to order the old screen model you're still stuck with non-linux keyb.
Only the upper corners look rounded? Please elaborate that @Framework.
i wonder if you guys are going to have a qcom arm chip when they come out.
I would love if you one day make an option to have a digitized display so we can use active pens on it. I love the idea of this company and was really considering buying one for college but I wanted to be able to write by hand on it as that's how I remember better. So this journey will have to wait a bit more. You are doing an incredible job with development so far. And I'm hoping to see this feature one day too.
You want to write on your laptop display? Not on a tablet?
Doesn't that make your arm tired?
@@Norp-i7mit would. He doesn’t know what he really wants
@@Norp-i7m There are some laptops that can fold over into tablets, a Framework foldable touchscreen laptop sounds pretty awesome
@@Norp-i7m not at all. 13.3 inch laptop is great for writing imo.
@@Norp-i7m no repairable consumer grade tablets though... It would be pretty great to buy one device that can do both,
But alas, we can only do a subpar diy job to have it
Would really like to see a full size 7 row keyboard on a framework laptop, something similar to the old thinkpad keyboards. Since no one does this anymore, it could be a differentiator. Writers and developers would really appreciate that.
I do hope the Framework 16's more modular design means Framework and/or third-parties will support alternative keyboard layouts.
It'd be trickier to do that on the Framework 13-a 7th row would probably mean a smaller trackpad, and the lattice between the keys is part of the case.
@@wereoctopus It needs some proper engineering for sure, but lenovo did it on a modern laptop on the thinkpad 25 anniversary edition.
Your agreements or whatever paperwork probably won't allow this but will we see an arm Framework? 👀
The new Snapdragon X's linux support looks to be really great
This is when I buy. M1 has radicalized me against x86-64 arch
Probably would require soldered RAM or LPCAMM2 to pull off.
I think LPCAMM2 is desirable at this point, no?
@@AnthonyBullard Yes, but getting support from Quallcomm to implement LPCAMM2 against the reference design is a different story
Please add keyboard pictures to the customization page so that customers can see how each of the layouts look like. Hopefully there'll be one where the arrows keys are the same size.
I've actually come to like rounded corners on displays, probably from phones etc. having them. It looks smooth and sleek. Would probably look nicer if the bezel had the same shape.
That screen is pretty awesome... Still waiting for a 2 in 1. Can't wait to replace my current laptops.
2 in 1 what?
@@nope9310 He might mean like a transformable laptop that can fold the display and act as a tablet
I work at a small startup, when I recommend my CEO to use Frameworks for all new hires, he said that we won't buy from a startup... Oh the irony.
Well.. the ThinkPads have better keyboards anyway..
If you're 22yo and go to the dentist, does it make special sense for your dentist to be a rookie? Or do you want your first car to be a prototype from a garage somewhere, just because you're fresh off the assembly line yourself?
Questionable logic.
@@pierrex3226False equivalence since they aren't rookies or "prototypes"
This is the fifth generation of the Framework 13 (sixth if you count the Chromebook edition). It's the fourth generation of Intel processors. I think that they're beyond the startup phase.
I see a full sized SD card slot 👀
I was immediately triggered. 😮
Do a search and find the biggest micro SD they make. Now do the same with a full sized SD.
Looks good, but why such a big price jump between different cpus? Even on intel’s website the price difference between 125h and 165h is like 150$, and you ask for the 165h 740$ extra. Even Apple doesn’t charge this much for some extra cpu cores.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was the Microsoft Surface Laptop Studio that had a Display with rounded Corners?
We want keyboards with trackpoints!
Agreed. Its what's keeping me from upgrading from my old stinkpad
I am with you. Though I eventually replaced my X220 with a Huawei Matebook X I still miss the Trackpoint
@@Lolwutfordawindon’t insult Thinkpads!
More than that I want the thinkpad feel for the keyboard. Other keyboards hurt my fingers
@@jigsaw2253 its a stickerbombed x230 running fedora. It absolutely deserves the term stinkpad :P