sebagai seseorang yang kebetulan beruntung mengalami hidup di luar my birthplace, mungkin org2 kurang referensi karena yang dia liat itu lagi dan itu lagi. apa lagi sekarang sosial media punya logaritma yang ngebuat people stuck on their preference. tp gua setuju banget sama kak gita, sebelumnya juga gua mandang dunia sempit banget tp setelah melihat lebih jauh ternyata kek gk ada ujungnya, bkn masalah liberal atau udh tercemar sama budaya asing, tp kan kita gk sendirian didunia ini. perbedaan pendapat dan perdepatan itu wajar. toh emang di ciptain berbeda dari awalnya. waktu org rame2 hujat kak gita gua malah mau berterimakasih sama kak gita. karena gua lahir di keluarga yg kurang mampu, gua ngeliat banyak org yang gk kerja dan dark side of ibukota. terimakasih sekali untuk menjadi child free. jadi mungkin peluang kerja orang2 semakin banyak dan gk seramai yang dulu gua alami waktu kecil.
Suka banget Klo hostnya kak indah. Karna pembawaannya yg santai, ga judgemental, open minded & menghargai lawan bicara. Gw ngikutin kak Gita sebelum dia booming bgt sekarang ini. Suka heran knp banyak hate comment ke dia hanya gara" cara hidup & pemikiran dia beda sm standard society yg ada di wakanda. (Semoga podcast ini ga ada yg motong/edit. Klo bisa tonton sampe habis nih podcast.)
Ok not trying to ruin the fun but the funny thing is, there are queer characters in wakanda. So it's kind of 'disrespectful' to describe homophobic country as wakanda lol Not that i'm blaming you but MCU is just too subtle with its queer characters so I get it 🤣
you have no idea how this podcast has empowered me so much! living in a conservative and partriarchal community has led me to think that i am the crazy one in the neighborhood! being constantly judged of my value, lifestyle and my way of behaving is really depressing! i thought i have gone crazy after getting back from my student exchange experience. i even have already searched for psychiatrist to consult with! (tho i still will do to just do double check up to my depression) i know that ignorance is a bliss, i know i can't blame em for being ignorant, but their ignorance is hell for me. i can't wait to find my way to get out of this conservatist community. hope to find my way to europe again, or any english speaking country. i am done with concealing my belief and my value. i am done pretending to just fit in. thanks to you both girls, i feel so much relieved to know that there is another way to live, there is enough space to be myself. i even am crying happy tears finding you as safe place to write my comments. i hope to find same minded people here as well in this channel. i also hope that those ambitious critical women can find this podcast very soon!
I love that Indah & Gita point out that the first university in the world was built by a muslim woman in Morocco, yes her name was Fatimah Al Fihri. Islam is a religion that advocates education for both men and women. unfortunately many people do not apply Islam properly so that Islam is often labeled bad
The muslims community theirselves also describing islam as bad religion tho (which is hypocrite). They harrass, saying shitty things, curse on gita, or any other humans who doesnt have same opinions/identity as them. Gita literally showing how islam isnt a hateful religion, and these ppl are mean 😭
@@nak.lanang i don't think so, she just live her life, sharing the goods that literally out of standart society especially in indonesian. people tend to judge her first
The best 58min Podcast i ever watched! never skipped~ The way you guys shared opinion n perspective in such diverse way of thinking, amazed me. Also, You & Gita is surprisingly similar like I couldn't put into words tapi bisa diliat lah ya gimana obrolan kalian yg membahas topik lumayan sensitif tapi tetap bisa ngalir gitu aja sampai ke kesimpulan yang juga ga bias sama sekali karena itu hanya pendapat pribadi kalian berdasarkan pengalaman dan cara pandang kalian masing-masing. AND, buat kaum2 yg obsessed sama Gita dan ngarep ni podcast bakal bahas apa yg kalian gunjingin umm no no no honey, lo ga diajak. Anyway, I'm excited for Part 2~
Ikr, and I can tell Gita is love and proud of her religion, she really trying to make anyone who's not in the same point of view; understand how this & that work in her belief, she have a peaceful manner.
I agree with you sis. Since in 2016 I follow Gita . She has a wide point of view. It makes me how up how to think. How to see people. And how to respect diverse way opinion
But the problem is... They never disscussing it more deeply. Ex: why my parent not allowing me eat candy everyday? It yummy and sweet right?? Why??? Are my parent don't love me and understanding me who like to eat candy???? (This is literally the way of thinking of them)
@@axelwilliam1275 if i decide to be vegetarian i can't intrepretate vege whatever i want. Vege mean you don't eat or using animal products cus you believe killing animal whatever the reason is morality wrong But imagine if i claim myself as a vege and i proud of it then i said "as a vege doesn't mean you can't eat meat or using animal product gaes you can do whatever you want as long you don't haram another people" Don't you see problem with that?? 🤦
@@dewisriwahyuni1000 diverse way of opinion is okay as long it make sense How can i claim myself as vegetarian but then i give opinion to public "as vege you can eat pork or meat whatever you want" 🤦
As a person who grew up in public school environment and has never gone to outside of indonesia, salah satu yg mengubah aku jadi left-leaning person sebenarnya cuma karena hobi konsumsi entertainment aja (weirdly enough). Inget banget tahun 2016 itu lagi parah2nya anti-SJW era di internet. But I was already a feminist (karena Gamergate and a Lady Gaga fan lol) so it's not like I was already far gone, except I was the pick-me feminist and proudly claiming myself to be the "good" one but unfortunately I still had homophobic views due to religious bias at the time (I was raised muslim). Few years ahead, I forgot how I even ended up here. But I remember watching Contrapoints and Princess Weekes and both of these amazing women actually "convert" me to be more left-leaning person. It didn't just happen in one-click. It took me a few years to get out of the rabbit hole and finally labelling myself to be a leftist. I'm not proud about my past, but at least I do have perspective why some people are conservatives or even moderate. Btw I didn't know Indah had a podcast but I'm so glad to have you and Gita to talk about this issue. I feel so seen here. I hope you and Gita will soon have more contents together! ♥
@@nak.lanang I know what you're trying to say judging by your other comments lmaao Yes. If you're a vegetarian. No if you're vegan. But let's not act there aren't other vegans out there who eats largely plant based diet but still eats meat due to necessities. I'm not even sure what you're even trying to accomplish in this question to begin with. What a weird question to ask.
@@abitsourrrrsorry4885 i don't understand how you can separate these two who have same morality believe? Is like im saying islam and muslim Edit: what im trying to say is... As a vegan your main objective is trying your best to not eat or using animal products. Vegetarian means you believe killing animal is morality wrong. How you declare yourself as a vegan but at the same time promoting to killing more animals?? Doesn't make sense
Kalau mau balik ke Indonesia setelah study abroad, silahkeun...kalau mau tetap stay di luar ya monggo... terkecuali jika pakai beasiswa yang ada ikatan dinas ya wajib balik dulu dong ah. Masak uangnya udah dipakai sekolah, gak balas budi dulu ke negara. Dan, agama itu diciptakan untuk mengarahkan hidup kita. Jadi, yg namanya aturan, dimana2 ya mengikat. Suka atau tidak suka. Tapi percayalah, itu demi kebaikan alam dan seisinya (bukan cuma untuk manusia doang ya). Itulah sebabnya kita perlu mempelajari ilmu agama dan dunia agar hidup tetap balance.
hello i am an exchange student from indonesia who currently live in USA, and im so fucking love with this conversation. I feel like nobody would understand my situation, my political stance, my lgbt views and other thoughts when i told em to my fellow Indonesian and they just judge me and say that’s weird m, bcs you go abroud this is your mind is gonna be. And i was like oh god you wouldnt understand til you experienced it by yourself. This is my first time watch your channel and im very very grateful i found you, bcs this is actually what i want. This views, this discussion and this conversation. Thankyou!
Religion is a choice, the responsibility that come with it is “a must “. Opini sy kenapa sering terjadi perselisihan karena kedua pihak sama2 merasa mereka “open” dan yg lain “conservative” Sama halnya yg gita yakini akan “my interpretation”. Orang-orang yg menjadikan agama sbg numb one rule of life, basically it’s their guidance of life gak selalu mereka berarti conservative. Dan sbg muslim the rule, interpretation, already there you can’t put more or make less. It is what it is, and believing this as your value doesn’t make you conservative/close minded. It’s just you submissive to your Creator
Most people are ignorant and some people with large influencer are to arrogant to accept islam what it is. Just like prophet said, most people are going to hell
Agree, its not because we want everything to be black and white, but because in Islam everything is so clear which one is wrong and right. Personally Islam is not just ideology and self interpretation, is the way of life, is the source of morality, and is the only aims and purpose to why we live our lifes
Islam doesn’t determined by your interpretation, and doesn’t affect by your opinion and perspective. You cant accept one part of it and leave another part, its come one full package. True you can be struggling as human being to practice but to say you will not practice ever just because it doesn’t align with your values is something else. Like you said, its a choice. But within that choice there is term, rule and condition that you have to follow
Gw tuh drdlu suka bgt kalo da yg ngomong english tu ngotak gitu loh, gacuma bs ngmng tp juga ada isinya... gita tu salah satu panutan gw juga ya, perjuangan pendidikanya kisahnya sampe dia bsa ngebentuk mentalnya dan akhirnya bsa spek up diatas diri dan keinginanya. Gpp mnrt gw bicaralah suka atau tdk sukanya orng lain bukan tolak ukur kebahagiian diri. Kita dilahirkan bukan untuk menyenangkan bnyk orng tp membahagiakan diri sndri ... 😊😊
Maaf ya.. maaf banget harus saya koreksi dikit. Perkara keharusan untuk kembali ke Indonesia setelah kuliah di luar, itu jangan terlalu PEDE mbak2, kalau SEMUA lulusan luar kudu balik ke indonesia. Kalau anda berdua kuliah di luar pakai uang sendiri, atau beasiswa yang bukan dibiayai negara. Ya silahkan, stay di sana. Kita di sini juga ga ada yang rugi. Tapi beda cerita kalau anda ini, penerima beasiswa yang dibiayai negara, for me personally : Tahu diri lah untuk membalas budi. But so far, i do like the topics.
Religion gak pernah kadaluwarsa. Gak mesti buat boomer. Tapi wajib jadi pegangan buat semua muslim. Jadi cara pandang buat semua muslim. If you don't like how quran rules your life, sama aja kayk you don't trust god, your creator to rule your life. Remember, you are only a creation. And you will be die, and responsible for everything that you did to your creator.
Really love this convo. Kudos for Indah for bravely bringing up this sensitive topic. Also for Gita… keep being yourself. The more i learn about your thoughts, the more I fangirl over you
What an insight! 2 women that i followed and watch regularly (i'm a dude but whateves). You both are inspring and really articulate on voicing issues and matters that needs to be brought up to. Like those are the elephants in the room, and warganet mostly gives out hate comments and bully. Like, you can be a Muslim woman and still enjoys life itself or whatever religious practise you do and still be kind to another. Smart and intelligents convo. Loved it. Keep it up & looking forward for more collaborations from you guys!
Dream banget kalau punya circle pertemanan yang tipe-tipe orangnya suka diskusi dan topik-topiknya kayak gini. Tapi emang gue belum punya privilege itu, setidaknya untuk sekarang 😊 Btw, thank you Indah for the content. Sering-sering dong collab with Gitasav. Gue cocok banget ama topik dan gaya diskusi kalian 💖💖 Mungkin gue compatible sama tipe kalian menurut MBTI hahahh ✌
Menurut gw ya. Hijab itu wajib. Tapi sebagai manusia kita punya freewill, jadi mau pake boleh, ga pake juga terserah kita karena itu urusan kita sama tuhan. Sesimple itu sih. Sama aja kayak, mau shalat atau engga itu tergantung kitanya.
That's funny to see this kind of comment. Ayolah opini kyk gini disimpen sendiri aja, atau jgn bawa sholat lah, Sholat itu wajib, beribadah itu wajib, anda hidup karena Tuhan, karena Allah SWT, anda berpijak di bumi Allah, anda makan, minum, hidup dari rezeki yg dikasih Allah. Saya harap mbaknya tetap bisa ngomong gini kalau udah ketemu Yang Kuasa. Oke ini terlalu jahat, ganti.. semoga mbaknya bisa kembali ke pemikiran dan jalan yg sebenar-benarnya. Aamiinn.
@@terangbulanannann9282 hah? apaan si? kamu itu yang lucu. jelas poin utama dia itu ibadah yang hukumnya wajib ya tetap wajib dilakukan, kalau dilakukan berpahala, kalau tidak, dosa. tapi manusia diciptakan dengan freewill (kebebasan berkehendak). terlepas dari wajib tidaknya aturan agama semua tergantung manusianya mau melakukan apa tidak. mau dapat pahala atau dapat dosa. Dia bahkan tidak mengajak untuk berbuat dosa, kenapa kau suruh dia simpan opininya sendiri?
@@kalunabianglala gini ya kakak cantik 😄 kenapa saya bilang minta dia untuk simpan opini dia sendiri, karena mungkin aja yg lihat komentar dia akan punya pikiran demikian juga. Anda bayangkan, udh dia dapat dosa karna melalaikan kewajiban pribadi, terus dia jg dapet dosa dari orang2 yg mengikuti pemikiran dia, oke dosa emg ditanggung masing2, tapi ya baiknya jgn diumbar jg klo udh tau itu dosa. (Ini buat semua agama ya) *Se-freewill* apapun kehendak yg kita punya dalam hidup, masa kita memaklumi kelalaian dalam beribadah sih? Anda sebagai manusia sombong banget dong sama yang menciptakan anda, sama Tuhan anda? Jujur anda sudah keliru kalau bilang "terlepas dari wajib atau tidak aturan agama, semua tergantung manusia" mbakkk.. beneran? Anda masih manusia loh, anda manusia hakikatnya, apalagi mengaku memiliki agama. Malaikat aja selalu sujud sama Tuhan, sama Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala, Nabi dan Rasul selalu patuh. Astagfirullah Ya Allah 😹 apa ini efek open minded yg menjadi over minded ya? Mau open minded yo dibarengi sama pedoman atuh, biar tau yg benar dan salahnya gimana2. Aneh deh skrg banyaknya orang yg ngaku dirinya open minded malah ngeiya-iyain aja apa yg harus jadi topik dan hal open minded bagi mereka, wkwk aduh..aduh.
@@terangbulanannann9282 Kan emang ga ada paksaan dalam beragama. Tugas kita cuma mengingatkan, mau dia nurut sm kewajibannya atau engga ya itu pilihan dia. Yang nerima konsekuensinya di akhirat juga dia.
@@rysumakemusic gk ada paksaan itu dalam konteks seseorang memilih agama, kalau dalam beragama ya sebaiknya seorang menuruti, melaksanakan apa yg agamanya perintahkan, apalagi klo itu hukumnya wajib. Okelah, lupakan. Nih saya garis bawahi lagi, yg jdi masalah, yg sy bawa sbg masalah itu YA JANGAN DIUMBAR JUGA KLO UDH TAU ITU SALAH/DOSA. Kalau semakin banyak orang yg ngikutin dan memaklumi kelakuan beragama yg salah, bukankah itu termasuk dosa? Dia menyebarkan sesuatu yg salah kan? Gini ya, dari awal aku gk terlalu masalahin dosa dia, iya w tau dosa ya dosa pribadi, yg nanggung siksaan jg pribadi. Tapi ayolah, apa kalian mau generasi Indonesia yg dikenal sebagai negara beragama jadi rusak, iya rusak karena kebanyakan MEMAKLUMI, MENERIMA, MENELAN MENTAH-MENTAH SESUATU YANG MENURUT AGAMA SALAH. Tau lah susah komen di sini.. ni ntar klo ada yg jawab lagi, dijawabnya jg paling "yaudah sih itu dosa dia, yg nanggung dia, konsekuens, dll" wekk..wekk..wekk 😂 wkw sorry2
Both of women inspired me how to think. How to see myself as woman. Some of topics are sensitive but both they can delivery well based on their opinions. Proud both of them for the podcast best ever I watched
Setuju bangettt sama semua yg dibahas disini 🥺 memang rasanya org2 yg mudah ketrigger sama isu2 'leftist' spt ini itu yg blm dapet kesempatan utk 'main jauh'. Jdnya ya sehari2 terekspos sama yg itu2 aja, ketemu org2 yg homogen, teman2nya mayoritas satu nilai sama dia. Jd masih gak bisa paham kalau "cuy, dunia tuh luas. Ada hal lain yg lebih patut kita berikan perhatian selain agama, lgbt, childfree, dan keputusan2 hidup org lain" 🙄
Love the flow of conversation. Emang tepat duo ini krn mrk open minded dan saling acceptable. Mungkin krn latar belakang yg mirip dan sama2 grow up di luar. Personally si jujur aq g pernah ada chance buat hidup lama di luar, so i can not have any other chance to move out, tapi let say ada some part of my experience yg membuat aq bisa keep open minded walaupun di indonesia, setidaknya sih frustasi terhadap netizen indo memang sgt terasakan bgt. Kenapa sosmed dipenuhi org2 yg frustasi dan kelewat batas, mungkin krn banyak org tertekan dalam situasi stigma dan nilai2 yg dipaksakan lingkungan eksternal mrk. Kaya org open minded dipaksa utk berhati2 mengungkapkan pikiran mrk dan waspada dengan pikiran org lain di sini. Well thats indonesia for sure dengan massa yg sgt banyak, keanekaragaman tp ngotot menyatukan sesuatu.. Wkwk.. Anyway its a good perspective and stimulation to hear both of women here. Nice job.
Ini episode paling bagus sihh, menarik bangett obrolannya engaging, bawa topik yang menarik bgt dengan prespektif yg unik untuk Indonesia, tek tokannya enak, best sihh
gkusa jauh jauh😅 yg dari kampung aja pengen kerja di kota, nah yg dri luar jawa pengen kerja dijawa, yg dijawa pengen kerja ke jakarta. everyone ingin better life dude.....
People are so upset about gita's childfree opinion bcs they are tryng to imagine themself as Gita and don't have child. Of course its hard to swallow Me myself as a man who want to have child, i cant imagine myself live without a child i mean it would be so lonely. But that's Gitas opinion. Not me
As a conservative muslim, I don’t have a lot to agree on their perspectives. But i do respect their opinions because that is how they want to live their lives. And stop spreading hate towards them, if you want to give ur opinion, its fine, give it respectfully. Learn to be human and respect other first
I think it's because they want to make the baby comfortable since they are still a baby, a kid with the hijab thing, the clothes. Dan itu juga kan keputusan orang tua si anak yg dipakaikan hijab, kalau anda dan Gita berpikir demikian, terhadap anak anda ya itu juga termasuk keputusan anda. Anda juga pasti gak seneng kalau ada org yg menyatakan "anaknya pakein hijab jg dong, kan ibunya pakai". Pasti dipikiran anda _'loh ini kan anak saya, lagian masih kecil juga, ngapain udah dipakaikan hijab dari kecil.'_ Nah sekarang coba situasinya dibalik, mungkin para orang tua yg toddler dipakaikan hijab itu jg punya pikiran sendiri misalnya _'ini anak saya, saya cuma ingin menerapkan akhlaq/perintah Islami sedari dini, agar kelak ketika anak saya sudah mengerti, dia sudah terbiasa, dia tahu rasanya, dia tahu pentingnya berpakaian sesuai perintah agamanya.'_ Dan sy yakin, para Ibu seperti itu jg kalau anaknya kegerahan/ga nyaman, jg pasti akan dicopot hijabnya suatu waktu, mereka jg pasti mengerti kali kalau anaknya yg masih balita itu blm akil baligh, bebas dilepas pakai. So, who knows what people think? Who knows what their want to build to their kid? Whooo?
@@terangbulanannann9282ya kannnn masa gitu aja dipermasalahin,itu kan hak ibunya kita semua juga tau pake jilbab itu kalo udah baligh,mungkin ibunya hanya mengenalkan hijab keanaknya sejak dini biar kedepannya si anak ga asing dengan hijab dan akan nyaman dengan sendirinya drpd dipaksa gitu kan.banyak juga kok ibu yang udah pakaikan bikini or baju minim ke anaknya sejak kecil tapi kok anehnya si gita malah permasalahin ibu yang memakaikan hijab ke anaknya itu aneh sih.
i was international student for one semeter, doing student exchange, this dillema was definitely wreaking havoc in my head. glad that i get this enlightenment to subside the dilemma inside.
Being study abroad and has to return to motherland is probably specific to Indonesia since most advanced countries (Japan, European countries, China, India) even Thailand and Vietnam have a large community presence in America. Perhaps one of the key to be an advanced country is having significant footprints in United States 🤔 Religion practice and perspection are based on some interpretation in which very few critically challenge. One of basis in Islam for example is to read or to be precise critically challenge anything and everything, yet only some do such 🙄
sebagian besar diskusinya saya netral, mungkin kinda agree (not set in stone still), tapi tetap ada yg kurang setuju or have a little objection and need a further discussion
Indah sekarang tahun 2023 tidak ada yang namanya laki-laki lagi.. atau perempuan Hanya lautan luas They dan Them yang begitu di manjakan oleh orang tua mereka yang woke yang menganggap aktivisme adalah sinyal kebajikan di Twitter dan instagram. Jika Martin Luther king dapat kembali dan melihat apa yang mereka lakukan atas namanya, dia tidak akan pernah berhenti muntah.
Wkwkwkw kalo podcast dalam bahasa Inggris gini dikit bgt yang komen negativ🥰 love u both guys. Dedek2 yang mau kontra mungkin kebanyakan ga bisa bahasa enggres🤭😭😆
@@aditta277 iya betul, lebih damai kan. Cuma sedikit orang aja yg komen. Sedangkan klo ada komen yg kontra bisa ribuan komennya, pusing jg lihatnya. Semoga segini2 aja ya yg nonton, gausah nambah lagi🥰
Bukan nya sombong bahasa inggris gw juga emang pas2an kalau buat berekspresi (jangankan bahasa inggris, pake bahasa sendiri aja gw sering berantakan). Tapi bener sepertinya yang rusuh2 banyak yang susah nangkep kalau konten nya bahasa inggris 🤣 apalagi si indah kalau ngomong merepetttt gitu.
@@sparkledrama8237 iya kan, kalo bisa videonya full pke bahasa Inggris aja, atau full bahasa Jerman. Biar makin sedikit lagi yang nonton dan komen nya, jadi makin damai😊
gosh..the amount of times i can relate to gita about growing up as moslem family haha😅 i never questioning about our religion cuz since i was born that's what i have to do...and now i'm contemplating whether to learn other religions or just keep going as it was
now i agree with what Islamic sayings that we personally have to have an equal relationship with God and humans, meaning that its all personal of what you're doing in the name of God (praying, reciting Quran, practicing the believes and all) and doesn't mean that you have to force others to do that too, its all personal between you and God. while your relationship with human in general are very exposed to the point people can judge you by the way you treat them, treat others, and how is your relationship with them so you should be the best version of you like what you do when you face God. you treat others how you want to be treated. moral compass isn't from what you've been told by your religion but just how people are supposed to treat others. i believe that religion just shows and guides you how to be a greater person by telling you to do good things and give yourself peace, but, if you really are a good person you would've known and done it yourself. at this point idc if my english is shit af i just wanna give my opinion, you can agree or disagree. x
Honestly menurut aku, justru Kak Gitasav lah representasi Islam yang baik. Kalo dunia internasional melihat muslim atau muslim Indonesia lewat Kak Gitasav maka semua bisa lihat dan tahu Islam yang damai dan adil. Emang kalo lihat muslim-muslim konservatif yang lain yg comment kak Gita yg intolerant mereka bakal jadi punya positive view ke Islam dan muslim? dan masih banyak orang yang mikir dan nanya kenapa kok Islam disamain sama terrorist? we/you brought that on ourself/yourself. Aku sebagai muslim Indonesia ketika belajar Islam sendiri tanpa lihat muslim lain yang bias atau ajaran umum yg konservatif intolerant itu malah bikin aku jadi moderat dan progressive sih. Islam is not only religious teaching but also way of life. Dan yang paling terpenting agama & kepercayaan itu harusnya bener bener buat pribadi aja, bukan untuk kita paksakan ke orang lain/masyarakat.
Klo ajaran agama islam bilang babi itu haram, trus ada seorang yg ngaku muslim bilang gpp sbg seorang muslim makan babi karena terserah tiap muslim mau makan apa aja, dan muslim lainnya gk berhak menghakimi serta agama gk boleh dipaksakan. Kira2 gmna tanggapan kakak??
@@nak.lanang Halo kak. Jujurly menurut aku jawabannya udah ada di pertanyaan kakaknya sendiri sih. Ya kalo aku pribadi ga akan ngejudge atau mempermasalahkan itu. Misal seorang muslim telah belajar banyak tafsir/pandangan akan suatu isu dari berbagai aliran/pandangan di dalam agama Islam trus kesimpulannya memang makan daging babi itu haram. Mindsetku adalah semua kembali ke orangnya masing2, misal dia tahu bahwa makan babi itu haram ya balik lagi ke mindset dia. Apa arti dan pentingnya agama buat dia, apakah penting/harus untuk memenuhi semua ajaran agama, apakah agama itu benar dihatinya dia atau cuma paksaan yang jadi rutinitas? Kalo misal dianya sudah fix yakin tahu kalo itu haram/gaboleh tetapi dilakukan ya yaudah itu urusan dia sama Tuhannya (terlepas agamanya apa). Misal dia tetep makan babi so maybe dia Islamnya ga terlalu dalem/strict gitu. Toh cara orang beragama beda-beda. Ada cara beragama yang lebih konform pandangan mayoritas/umum yg diangap lebih benar dan ada cara pribadi. Mana yang bener kan bukan terserah kita tapi ntar dihakimi Tuhan. What is religion/religious practice kalo bukan interpretasi si pengajar agama (terlepas perihal makan babi). Trus kalo ngomongin dosa yaudah kita siapa sih ngurusin dosa orang. Pahala, dosa, akhirat, ibadah, dan overall agama seseorang itu urusan/hubungan pribadi setiap manusia dengan Tuhan/ajaran agama yang dia percaya. So why bothering them?. Kalo ga setuju ya, ingatkan secara halus aja trus selanjutnya apa keputusan dia selanjutnya yaudah itu diluar kendali kita. Bukankah semua adalah perjalanan hidup dan spiritual masing2, ntar cara balik ke Tuhannya juga masing2 kan. Iya kita berinteraksi dengan orang lain tapi siapa kita mengontrol/memaksa orang lain toh Tuhan juga memberi freewill. Bukankah tugas kita hanya berinteraksi, saling mengenal, saling menyayangi (seperlunya) dan saling mengingatkan? dan mengingatkan itu beda dengan memaki, menjudge, dan memaksa. QS Al-Baqarah 2:256 "(dan) tidak ada paksaan dalam menganut agama (Islam)"
32:12 omongan nya aneh tuh tentu saja agama jadi moral kompas karena dalam Islam agama di sebut Deen ( jalan hidup / way of life ). Tentang menjadi orang baik tidak perlu agama semua orang Islam mah tahu tentang itu, karena paman nabi terkenal akan kebaikan nya namun sampai mati tak pernah punya agama.
Paman nabi punya agama woi, dia nyembah tuhan dr nenek moyang dia yg namanya "manaf" anjiir. Ini nih orang2 bego sok2an pinter, kek 2 cewe di video Sekarang gua tanya klo elu gk perlu agama utk jd baik. Gmna elu nentuin baik buruk??
@@nak.lanangceritanya kamu representatif 1slam ya? Kasar sekali bicaranya. Kok malah org ‘religius’ lebih barbar dan ga beretika dari yang dibilang ga religius.
sebagai seseorang yang kebetulan beruntung mengalami hidup di luar my birthplace, mungkin org2 kurang referensi karena yang dia liat itu lagi dan itu lagi. apa lagi sekarang sosial media punya logaritma yang ngebuat people stuck on their preference. tp gua setuju banget sama kak gita, sebelumnya juga gua mandang dunia sempit banget tp setelah melihat lebih jauh ternyata kek gk ada ujungnya, bkn masalah liberal atau udh tercemar sama budaya asing, tp kan kita gk sendirian didunia ini. perbedaan pendapat dan perdepatan itu wajar. toh emang di ciptain berbeda dari awalnya. waktu org rame2 hujat kak gita gua malah mau berterimakasih sama kak gita. karena gua lahir di keluarga yg kurang mampu, gua ngeliat banyak org yang gk kerja dan dark side of ibukota. terimakasih sekali untuk menjadi child free. jadi mungkin peluang kerja orang2 semakin banyak dan gk seramai yang dulu gua alami waktu kecil.
Suka banget Klo hostnya kak indah. Karna pembawaannya yg santai, ga judgemental, open minded & menghargai lawan bicara. Gw ngikutin kak Gita sebelum dia booming bgt sekarang ini. Suka heran knp banyak hate comment ke dia hanya gara" cara hidup & pemikiran dia beda sm standard society yg ada di wakanda. (Semoga podcast ini ga ada yg motong/edit. Klo bisa tonton sampe habis nih podcast.)
Omg i literally think the same way!!
Ok not trying to ruin the fun but the funny thing is, there are queer characters in wakanda. So it's kind of 'disrespectful' to describe homophobic country as wakanda lol
Not that i'm blaming you but MCU is just too subtle with its queer characters so I get it 🤣
Taek
Santai,kamu buta yaa
Oh damn u r dumn
"Religion is for you to decide how to live your live. Not to dictate other"
Giiiiirl.... Thats my favorite quote 🔥
well, that's how they religious people live their life: dictating others lolll
@@Samisntavailable_ look at US or even western country rn, they literally bashing people who don't subscribe to feminism leftist woke ideology
Lah goblok, Agamalah yg ngatur bukan sesuka kalian
Ibu Kartini would be so proud seeing this conversation of 2 intellectually independent indonesian women
Yes, she definitely proud
Hopely will open the mind of close minded ppl
Lol
@@adellahfz4168 are you ever read about her live story?
@@imdancingforever5215 are you open minded?
From what i get, most indonesian muslims tend to use "hanya sekedar mengingatkan" so they don't sound like bullies 😂
excuse for bullying 💀💀
Exactly.
you have no idea how this podcast has empowered me so much! living in a conservative and partriarchal community has led me to think that i am the crazy one in the neighborhood! being constantly judged of my value, lifestyle and my way of behaving is really depressing! i thought i have gone crazy after getting back from my student exchange experience. i even have already searched for psychiatrist to consult with! (tho i still will do to just do double check up to my depression)
i know that ignorance is a bliss, i know i can't blame em for being ignorant, but their ignorance is hell for me.
i can't wait to find my way to get out of this conservatist community. hope to find my way to europe again, or any english speaking country.
i am done with concealing my belief and my value. i am done pretending to just fit in. thanks to you both girls, i feel so much relieved to know that there is another way to live, there is enough space to be myself. i even am crying happy tears finding you as safe place to write my comments. i hope to find same minded people here as well in this channel.
i also hope that those ambitious critical women can find this podcast very soon!
Indonesia is not a suitable place for you, and so maybe neither am I. so let's go, get out of there 💪🔥
@@RIQS-f8u yeah go to US and Europe modern day of sodom and gommorah lol we don't people like you either here
Wah finally Indah has found orang yg satu aliran, bisa bisa jadi bestie nih
I'm not a diaspora, but I feel what you guys feel too as an Indonesian.
I love that Indah & Gita point out that the first university in the world was built by a muslim woman in Morocco, yes her name was Fatimah Al Fihri. Islam is a religion that advocates education for both men and women. unfortunately many people do not apply Islam properly so that Islam is often labeled bad
The muslims community theirselves also describing islam as bad religion tho (which is hypocrite). They harrass, saying shitty things, curse on gita, or any other humans who doesnt have same opinions/identity as them. Gita literally showing how islam isnt a hateful religion, and these ppl are mean 😭
@@riasahara3220 are you aware gita curse on indonesian people first??
@@nak.lanang i don't think so, she just live her life, sharing the goods that literally out of standart society especially in indonesian. people tend to judge her first
YESSSS!!
two of my favorite womans in one frame. totally LOVE the conversation!!❤️💪
Ngomong nya enak didenger sih ... Seneng banget Gita punya lawan bicara yg sepadan .. ,open minded, dan gita ga perlu dumbing down 👍👍👍
The best 58min Podcast i ever watched! never skipped~
The way you guys shared opinion n perspective in such diverse way of thinking, amazed me. Also,
You & Gita is surprisingly similar like I couldn't put into words tapi bisa diliat lah ya gimana obrolan kalian yg membahas topik lumayan sensitif tapi tetap bisa ngalir gitu aja sampai ke kesimpulan yang juga ga bias sama sekali karena itu hanya pendapat pribadi kalian berdasarkan pengalaman dan cara pandang kalian masing-masing. AND, buat kaum2 yg obsessed sama Gita dan ngarep ni podcast bakal bahas apa yg kalian gunjingin umm no no no honey, lo ga diajak.
Anyway, I'm excited for Part 2~
Ikr, and I can tell Gita is love and proud of her religion, she really trying to make anyone who's not in the same point of view; understand how this & that work in her belief, she have a peaceful manner.
I agree with you sis. Since in 2016 I follow Gita . She has a wide point of view. It makes me how up how to think. How to see people. And how to respect diverse way opinion
But the problem is... They never disscussing it more deeply. Ex: why my parent not allowing me eat candy everyday? It yummy and sweet right?? Why??? Are my parent don't love me and understanding me who like to eat candy???? (This is literally the way of thinking of them)
@@axelwilliam1275 if i decide to be vegetarian i can't intrepretate vege whatever i want. Vege mean you don't eat or using animal products cus you believe killing animal whatever the reason is morality wrong
But imagine if i claim myself as a vege and i proud of it then i said "as a vege doesn't mean you can't eat meat or using animal product gaes you can do whatever you want as long you don't haram another people"
Don't you see problem with that?? 🤦
@@dewisriwahyuni1000 diverse way of opinion is okay as long it make sense
How can i claim myself as vegetarian but then i give opinion to public "as vege you can eat pork or meat whatever you want" 🤦
As a person who grew up in public school environment and has never gone to outside of indonesia, salah satu yg mengubah aku jadi left-leaning person sebenarnya cuma karena hobi konsumsi entertainment aja (weirdly enough). Inget banget tahun 2016 itu lagi parah2nya anti-SJW era di internet. But I was already a feminist (karena Gamergate and a Lady Gaga fan lol) so it's not like I was already far gone, except I was the pick-me feminist and proudly claiming myself to be the "good" one but unfortunately I still had homophobic views due to religious bias at the time (I was raised muslim).
Few years ahead, I forgot how I even ended up here. But I remember watching Contrapoints and Princess Weekes and both of these amazing women actually "convert" me to be more left-leaning person. It didn't just happen in one-click. It took me a few years to get out of the rabbit hole and finally labelling myself to be a leftist. I'm not proud about my past, but at least I do have perspective why some people are conservatives or even moderate.
Btw I didn't know Indah had a podcast but I'm so glad to have you and Gita to talk about this issue. I feel so seen here. I hope you and Gita will soon have more contents together! ♥
Can i ask you something sist?
@@nak.lanang boleh. Nanya apa nih?
@@abitsourrrrsorry4885 just few things...
1. If i claim or declare myself as a vegetarian, can i promoting to other people to eat meat?
@@nak.lanang I know what you're trying to say judging by your other comments lmaao
Yes. If you're a vegetarian. No if you're vegan. But let's not act there aren't other vegans out there who eats largely plant based diet but still eats meat due to necessities.
I'm not even sure what you're even trying to accomplish in this question to begin with. What a weird question to ask.
@@abitsourrrrsorry4885 i don't understand how you can separate these two who have same morality believe? Is like im saying islam and muslim
Edit: what im trying to say is...
As a vegan your main objective is trying your best to not eat or using animal products. Vegetarian means you believe killing animal is morality wrong. How you declare yourself as a vegan but at the same time promoting to killing more animals?? Doesn't make sense
Kalau mau balik ke Indonesia setelah study abroad, silahkeun...kalau mau tetap stay di luar ya monggo... terkecuali jika pakai beasiswa yang ada ikatan dinas ya wajib balik dulu dong ah. Masak uangnya udah dipakai sekolah, gak balas budi dulu ke negara.
Dan, agama itu diciptakan untuk mengarahkan hidup kita. Jadi, yg namanya aturan, dimana2 ya mengikat. Suka atau tidak suka. Tapi percayalah, itu demi kebaikan alam dan seisinya (bukan cuma untuk manusia doang ya). Itulah sebabnya kita perlu mempelajari ilmu agama dan dunia agar hidup tetap balance.
Couldn't agree more.
100%
Tau gak kalo pernah ada masanya agama itu dianggap pseudoscience sm halnya seperti astrolgi
hello i am an exchange student from indonesia who currently live in USA, and im so fucking love with this conversation. I feel like nobody would understand my situation, my political stance, my lgbt views and other thoughts when i told em to my fellow Indonesian and they just judge me and say that’s weird m, bcs you go abroud this is your mind is gonna be. And i was like oh god you wouldnt understand til you experienced it by yourself.
This is my first time watch your channel and im very very grateful i found you, bcs this is actually what i want. This views, this discussion and this conversation. Thankyou!
Religion is a choice, the responsibility that come with it is “a must “. Opini sy kenapa sering terjadi perselisihan karena kedua pihak sama2 merasa mereka “open” dan yg lain “conservative” Sama halnya yg gita yakini akan “my interpretation”. Orang-orang yg menjadikan agama sbg numb one rule of life, basically it’s their guidance of life gak selalu mereka berarti conservative. Dan sbg muslim the rule, interpretation, already there you can’t put more or make less. It is what it is, and believing this as your value doesn’t make you conservative/close minded. It’s just you submissive to your Creator
Most people are ignorant and some people with large influencer are to arrogant to accept islam what it is. Just like prophet said, most people are going to hell
Agree, its not because we want everything to be black and white, but because in Islam everything is so clear which one is wrong and right. Personally Islam is not just ideology and self interpretation, is the way of life, is the source of morality, and is the only aims and purpose to why we live our lifes
Islam doesn’t determined by your interpretation, and doesn’t affect by your opinion and perspective. You cant accept one part of it and leave another part, its come one full package. True you can be struggling as human being to practice but to say you will not practice ever just because it doesn’t align with your values is something else. Like you said, its a choice. But within that choice there is term, rule and condition that you have to follow
Gw tuh drdlu suka bgt kalo da yg ngomong english tu ngotak gitu loh, gacuma bs ngmng tp juga ada isinya... gita tu salah satu panutan gw juga ya, perjuangan pendidikanya kisahnya sampe dia bsa ngebentuk mentalnya dan akhirnya bsa spek up diatas diri dan keinginanya. Gpp mnrt gw bicaralah suka atau tdk sukanya orng lain bukan tolak ukur kebahagiian diri. Kita dilahirkan bukan untuk menyenangkan bnyk orng tp membahagiakan diri sndri ... 😊😊
Maaf ya.. maaf banget harus saya koreksi dikit. Perkara keharusan untuk kembali ke Indonesia setelah kuliah di luar, itu jangan terlalu PEDE mbak2, kalau SEMUA lulusan luar kudu balik ke indonesia. Kalau anda berdua kuliah di luar pakai uang sendiri, atau beasiswa yang bukan dibiayai negara. Ya silahkan, stay di sana. Kita di sini juga ga ada yang rugi.
Tapi beda cerita kalau anda ini, penerima beasiswa yang dibiayai negara, for me personally : Tahu diri lah untuk membalas budi.
But so far, i do like the topics.
Right.
Tolong banget mba indah neng indah, after this podcast undang mbak cinta laura yah, pengen banget dengerin mereka berbicara😭😂
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Religion gak pernah kadaluwarsa. Gak mesti buat boomer. Tapi wajib jadi pegangan buat semua muslim. Jadi cara pandang buat semua muslim. If you don't like how quran rules your life, sama aja kayk you don't trust god, your creator to rule your life. Remember, you are only a creation. And you will be die, and responsible for everything that you did to your creator.
Can’t wait for episode 2!!!
Really love this convo. Kudos for Indah for bravely bringing up this sensitive topic. Also for Gita… keep being yourself. The more i learn about your thoughts, the more I fangirl over you
i love this conversation a lot!
Semoga kita semua tetap bisa menjaga ibadah di segala situasi.
What an insight! 2 women that i followed and watch regularly (i'm a dude but whateves). You both are inspring and really articulate on voicing issues and matters that needs to be brought up to. Like those are the elephants in the room, and warganet mostly gives out hate comments and bully. Like, you can be a Muslim woman and still enjoys life itself or whatever religious practise you do and still be kind to another. Smart and intelligents convo. Loved it. Keep it up & looking forward for more collaborations from you guys!
Dream banget kalau punya circle pertemanan yang tipe-tipe orangnya suka diskusi dan topik-topiknya kayak gini. Tapi emang gue belum punya privilege itu, setidaknya untuk sekarang 😊
Btw, thank you Indah for the content. Sering-sering dong collab with Gitasav. Gue cocok banget ama topik dan gaya diskusi kalian 💖💖 Mungkin gue compatible sama tipe kalian menurut MBTI hahahh ✌
I fuckin love this conversation, love you both ❤
Kenapaaa hatiku menghangat ya ndengerin mereka ngobrol,, ga sabar part 2 nyaaa :")
Menurut gw ya. Hijab itu wajib. Tapi sebagai manusia kita punya freewill, jadi mau pake boleh, ga pake juga terserah kita karena itu urusan kita sama tuhan. Sesimple itu sih. Sama aja kayak, mau shalat atau engga itu tergantung kitanya.
That's funny to see this kind of comment. Ayolah opini kyk gini disimpen sendiri aja, atau jgn bawa sholat lah, Sholat itu wajib, beribadah itu wajib, anda hidup karena Tuhan, karena Allah SWT, anda berpijak di bumi Allah, anda makan, minum, hidup dari rezeki yg dikasih Allah.
Saya harap mbaknya tetap bisa ngomong gini kalau udah ketemu Yang Kuasa. Oke ini terlalu jahat, ganti.. semoga mbaknya bisa kembali ke pemikiran dan jalan yg sebenar-benarnya. Aamiinn.
@@terangbulanannann9282 hah? apaan si? kamu itu yang lucu. jelas poin utama dia itu ibadah yang hukumnya wajib ya tetap wajib dilakukan, kalau dilakukan berpahala, kalau tidak, dosa. tapi manusia diciptakan dengan freewill (kebebasan berkehendak). terlepas dari wajib tidaknya aturan agama semua tergantung manusianya mau melakukan apa tidak. mau dapat pahala atau dapat dosa. Dia bahkan tidak mengajak untuk berbuat dosa, kenapa kau suruh dia simpan opininya sendiri?
@@kalunabianglala gini ya kakak cantik 😄 kenapa saya bilang minta dia untuk simpan opini dia sendiri, karena mungkin aja yg lihat komentar dia akan punya pikiran demikian juga. Anda bayangkan, udh dia dapat dosa karna melalaikan kewajiban pribadi, terus dia jg dapet dosa dari orang2 yg mengikuti pemikiran dia, oke dosa emg ditanggung masing2, tapi ya baiknya jgn diumbar jg klo udh tau itu dosa.
(Ini buat semua agama ya) *Se-freewill* apapun kehendak yg kita punya dalam hidup, masa kita memaklumi kelalaian dalam beribadah sih? Anda sebagai manusia sombong banget dong sama yang menciptakan anda, sama Tuhan anda?
Jujur anda sudah keliru kalau bilang "terlepas dari wajib atau tidak aturan agama, semua tergantung manusia" mbakkk.. beneran? Anda masih manusia loh, anda manusia hakikatnya, apalagi mengaku memiliki agama. Malaikat aja selalu sujud sama Tuhan, sama Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala, Nabi dan Rasul selalu patuh. Astagfirullah Ya Allah 😹 apa ini efek open minded yg menjadi over minded ya? Mau open minded yo dibarengi sama pedoman atuh, biar tau yg benar dan salahnya gimana2. Aneh deh skrg banyaknya orang yg ngaku dirinya open minded malah ngeiya-iyain aja apa yg harus jadi topik dan hal open minded bagi mereka, wkwk aduh..aduh.
@@terangbulanannann9282 Kan emang ga ada paksaan dalam beragama. Tugas kita cuma mengingatkan, mau dia nurut sm kewajibannya atau engga ya itu pilihan dia. Yang nerima konsekuensinya di akhirat juga dia.
@@rysumakemusic gk ada paksaan itu dalam konteks seseorang memilih agama, kalau dalam beragama ya sebaiknya seorang menuruti, melaksanakan apa yg agamanya perintahkan, apalagi klo itu hukumnya wajib.
Okelah, lupakan. Nih saya garis bawahi lagi, yg jdi masalah, yg sy bawa sbg masalah itu YA JANGAN DIUMBAR JUGA KLO UDH TAU ITU SALAH/DOSA. Kalau semakin banyak orang yg ngikutin dan memaklumi kelakuan beragama yg salah, bukankah itu termasuk dosa? Dia menyebarkan sesuatu yg salah kan?
Gini ya, dari awal aku gk terlalu masalahin dosa dia, iya w tau dosa ya dosa pribadi, yg nanggung siksaan jg pribadi. Tapi ayolah, apa kalian mau generasi Indonesia yg dikenal sebagai negara beragama jadi rusak, iya rusak karena kebanyakan MEMAKLUMI, MENERIMA, MENELAN MENTAH-MENTAH SESUATU YANG MENURUT AGAMA SALAH.
Tau lah susah komen di sini.. ni ntar klo ada yg jawab lagi, dijawabnya jg paling "yaudah sih itu dosa dia, yg nanggung dia, konsekuens, dll" wekk..wekk..wekk 😂 wkw sorry2
Both of women inspired me how to think. How to see myself as woman. Some of topics are sensitive but both they can delivery well based on their opinions. Proud both of them for the podcast best ever I watched
YASSSS YOU TWO❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
I really love this conversation❤️🔥
Setuju bangettt sama semua yg dibahas disini 🥺 memang rasanya org2 yg mudah ketrigger sama isu2 'leftist' spt ini itu yg blm dapet kesempatan utk 'main jauh'. Jdnya ya sehari2 terekspos sama yg itu2 aja, ketemu org2 yg homogen, teman2nya mayoritas satu nilai sama dia. Jd masih gak bisa paham kalau "cuy, dunia tuh luas. Ada hal lain yg lebih patut kita berikan perhatian selain agama, lgbt, childfree, dan keputusan2 hidup org lain" 🙄
WOWW I REALLY ADMIRE U GUYSS.. thank uuu kak indah for bringing such good topics❤️❤️
Love the flow of conversation. Emang tepat duo ini krn mrk open minded dan saling acceptable. Mungkin krn latar belakang yg mirip dan sama2 grow up di luar. Personally si jujur aq g pernah ada chance buat hidup lama di luar, so i can not have any other chance to move out, tapi let say ada some part of my experience yg membuat aq bisa keep open minded walaupun di indonesia, setidaknya sih frustasi terhadap netizen indo memang sgt terasakan bgt. Kenapa sosmed dipenuhi org2 yg frustasi dan kelewat batas, mungkin krn banyak org tertekan dalam situasi stigma dan nilai2 yg dipaksakan lingkungan eksternal mrk. Kaya org open minded dipaksa utk berhati2 mengungkapkan pikiran mrk dan waspada dengan pikiran org lain di sini. Well thats indonesia for sure dengan massa yg sgt banyak, keanekaragaman tp ngotot menyatukan sesuatu.. Wkwk.. Anyway its a good perspective and stimulation to hear both of women here. Nice job.
This video will be the one of my favourite of this month 🥰
Can't wait for the next part!!
Ini episode paling bagus sihh, menarik bangett obrolannya engaging, bawa topik yang menarik bgt dengan prespektif yg unik untuk Indonesia, tek tokannya enak, best sihh
gkusa jauh jauh😅 yg dari kampung aja pengen kerja di kota, nah yg dri luar jawa pengen kerja dijawa, yg dijawa pengen kerja ke jakarta. everyone ingin better life dude.....
Can’t wait for the next episode…
Video ini harus di Up sih wajib supaya banyak yg nonton
I need part two rn!!
finallyyyy 🎉
People are so upset about gita's childfree opinion bcs they are tryng to imagine themself as Gita and don't have child. Of course its hard to swallow
Me myself as a man who want to have child, i cant imagine myself live without a child i mean it would be so lonely.
But that's Gitas opinion. Not me
As a conservative muslim, I don’t have a lot to agree on their perspectives. But i do respect their opinions because that is how they want to live their lives. And stop spreading hate towards them, if you want to give ur opinion, its fine, give it respectfully. Learn to be human and respect other first
can't wait for the next ep💓
can’t wait for part 2, i got new different perspective from this episode👍🏻
One of the most podcast DAGING on the internet.
I repeat.
One. of. the. most. podcast. DAGING. on. the. internet!!!
I’ve never been so agree to all the conversations more than this
each minute of this video has a really big potential to be taken out of context by Gita's haters, be ready for another internet war
after 30 menit nonton, gua nyadar gua nontonin dua orang rebel lagi cari validasi atas egonya😅😅😅 dahlah pamit
No one commenting abt part 'toddler dipakaikan hijab', me as mother of a baby girl 100% agree with them. Apalagi sekecil itu dipakaikan pasmina whyyy?
I think it's because they want to make the baby comfortable since they are still a baby, a kid with the hijab thing, the clothes. Dan itu juga kan keputusan orang tua si anak yg dipakaikan hijab, kalau anda dan Gita berpikir demikian, terhadap anak anda ya itu juga termasuk keputusan anda.
Anda juga pasti gak seneng kalau ada org yg menyatakan "anaknya pakein hijab jg dong, kan ibunya pakai". Pasti dipikiran anda _'loh ini kan anak saya, lagian masih kecil juga, ngapain udah dipakaikan hijab dari kecil.'_ Nah sekarang coba situasinya dibalik, mungkin para orang tua yg toddler dipakaikan hijab itu jg punya pikiran sendiri misalnya _'ini anak saya, saya cuma ingin menerapkan akhlaq/perintah Islami sedari dini, agar kelak ketika anak saya sudah mengerti, dia sudah terbiasa, dia tahu rasanya, dia tahu pentingnya berpakaian sesuai perintah agamanya.'_ Dan sy yakin, para Ibu seperti itu jg kalau anaknya kegerahan/ga nyaman, jg pasti akan dicopot hijabnya suatu waktu, mereka jg pasti mengerti kali kalau anaknya yg masih balita itu blm akil baligh, bebas dilepas pakai.
So, who knows what people think? Who knows what their want to build to their kid? Whooo?
@@terangbulanannann9282good
I mean itu anak mereka dan tanggungjawab mereka *duhh..
@@terangbulanannann9282ya kannnn masa gitu aja dipermasalahin,itu kan hak ibunya kita semua juga tau pake jilbab itu kalo udah baligh,mungkin ibunya hanya mengenalkan hijab keanaknya sejak dini biar kedepannya si anak ga asing dengan hijab dan akan nyaman dengan sendirinya drpd dipaksa gitu kan.banyak juga kok ibu yang udah pakaikan bikini or baju minim ke anaknya sejak kecil tapi kok anehnya si gita malah permasalahin ibu yang memakaikan hijab ke anaknya itu aneh sih.
i was international student for one semeter, doing student exchange, this dillema was definitely wreaking havoc in my head. glad that i get this enlightenment to subside the dilemma inside.
I love you both, so amazing to watching this pod
Aww love this! I’ve known indah from one of JU video n she’s my fav but idk she has her own youtube. Now I can see 2 of my fav UA-camr together 🫶🏽
dang! glad that i find this podcast!
Kok gua jadi suka podcast kak indah yaaa!! loved this so much!
favorite episode! love it u invited gitasav.
32:12 “in my opinion you don’t need agama to be a good person.” Ok noted!
this episode hits hard
finally!!
"we can have another life as a woman"
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Being study abroad and has to return to motherland is probably specific to Indonesia since most advanced countries (Japan, European countries, China, India) even Thailand and Vietnam have a large community presence in America. Perhaps one of the key to be an advanced country is having significant footprints in United States 🤔
Religion practice and perspection are based on some interpretation in which very few critically challenge. One of basis in Islam for example is to read or to be precise critically challenge anything and everything, yet only some do such 🙄
gk nyangka indah G bisa colabs dan bahas ini sama mba gita, thanks a lot, it's nice
sebagian besar diskusinya saya netral, mungkin kinda agree (not set in stone still), tapi tetap ada yg kurang setuju or have a little objection and need a further discussion
love u both too the moon and back ❤❤
AAAAAAAKKKKK MY FAVORITE GODDESSES ON EARTH ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️😡😡😡😡😡😡 I REALLY LOVE THIS COLLAB!!
BEST PODCAST EVER. THANK U SO MUCH ILYILYILYIYLLIYLYLIY
BBBBEST PODCAST EVER!
I DON'T MISS A SINGLE SECOND EVEN😭
I'm so glad that your channel got less to minimum hate from uneducated and angry people :) truly love this environment
I think you should really invite Najwa Shihab really :)
Waiting part 2
25:18 fragile spirituality is so truuuuu
What the most important i teach my kid it's doesn't matter how often you go to temple/pray or not but how you behave in everyday life
Great job, indah
bocil yang kaga bisa bahasa Inggris ketar ketir mau komen
Lol. Orang yg merasa dirinya open minded emang kadang merasa paling pinter dan sangat menguasi Bahasa Inggris.
Indah sekarang tahun 2023 tidak ada yang namanya laki-laki lagi.. atau perempuan
Hanya lautan luas They dan Them yang begitu di manjakan oleh orang tua mereka yang woke yang menganggap aktivisme adalah sinyal kebajikan di Twitter dan instagram.
Jika Martin Luther king dapat kembali dan melihat apa yang mereka lakukan atas namanya, dia tidak akan pernah berhenti muntah.
Kamu kenal martin luther personally? Sok kenal bgt. Dan apa hubungannya martin luther with they them…?
Well said, gurls!❤
MISS INDAH G PLS UPLOAD THE PART 2 NOWWWWWW
I wish indonesian just like them cause the way of think in many perspectives
Bagusnya tidak ada translat-an dalam bahasa Indonesia, jadi mengurangi yang suka julid, komen2 nyinyir dan ngatain "yang paling open minded"
SESENANG ITU AKUTU, totallyyyy GOAT🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
go on girls!!!
Oo ini..
Wkwkwkw kalo podcast dalam bahasa Inggris gini dikit bgt yang komen negativ🥰 love u both guys. Dedek2 yang mau kontra mungkin kebanyakan ga bisa bahasa enggres🤭😭😆
Entahlah keseluruhan yg komen jg cuma dikit, mungkin video nya kurang banyak ditonton aja kali ya😢
bagus lah maalah ga banyak yang kontra💯🥰
@@aditta277 iya betul, lebih damai kan. Cuma sedikit orang aja yg komen. Sedangkan klo ada komen yg kontra bisa ribuan komennya, pusing jg lihatnya. Semoga segini2 aja ya yg nonton, gausah nambah lagi🥰
Bukan nya sombong bahasa inggris gw juga emang pas2an kalau buat berekspresi (jangankan bahasa inggris, pake bahasa sendiri aja gw sering berantakan). Tapi bener sepertinya yang rusuh2 banyak yang susah nangkep kalau konten nya bahasa inggris 🤣 apalagi si indah kalau ngomong merepetttt gitu.
@@sparkledrama8237 iya kan, kalo bisa videonya full pke bahasa Inggris aja, atau full bahasa Jerman. Biar makin sedikit lagi yang nonton dan komen nya, jadi makin damai😊
gosh..the amount of times i can relate to gita about growing up as moslem family haha😅 i never questioning about our religion cuz since i was born that's what i have to do...and now i'm contemplating whether to learn other religions or just keep going as it was
now i agree with what Islamic sayings that we personally have to have an equal relationship with God and humans, meaning that its all personal of what you're doing in the name of God (praying, reciting Quran, practicing the believes and all) and doesn't mean that you have to force others to do that too, its all personal between you and God. while your relationship with human in general are very exposed to the point people can judge you by the way you treat them, treat others, and how is your relationship with them so you should be the best version of you like what you do when you face God. you treat others how you want to be treated. moral compass isn't from what you've been told by your religion but just how people are supposed to treat others. i believe that religion just shows and guides you how to be a greater person by telling you to do good things and give yourself peace, but, if you really are a good person you would've known and done it yourself. at this point idc if my english is shit af i just wanna give my opinion, you can agree or disagree. x
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Semangat terus kak git!
Honestly menurut aku, justru Kak Gitasav lah representasi Islam yang baik. Kalo dunia internasional melihat muslim atau muslim Indonesia lewat Kak Gitasav maka semua bisa lihat dan tahu Islam yang damai dan adil. Emang kalo lihat muslim-muslim konservatif yang lain yg comment kak Gita yg intolerant mereka bakal jadi punya positive view ke Islam dan muslim? dan masih banyak orang yang mikir dan nanya kenapa kok Islam disamain sama terrorist? we/you brought that on ourself/yourself. Aku sebagai muslim Indonesia ketika belajar Islam sendiri tanpa lihat muslim lain yang bias atau ajaran umum yg konservatif intolerant itu malah bikin aku jadi moderat dan progressive sih. Islam is not only religious teaching but also way of life. Dan yang paling terpenting agama & kepercayaan itu harusnya bener bener buat pribadi aja, bukan untuk kita paksakan ke orang lain/masyarakat.
Klo ajaran agama islam bilang babi itu haram, trus ada seorang yg ngaku muslim bilang gpp sbg seorang muslim makan babi karena terserah tiap muslim mau makan apa aja, dan muslim lainnya gk berhak menghakimi serta agama gk boleh dipaksakan. Kira2 gmna tanggapan kakak??
@@nak.lanang Halo kak. Jujurly menurut aku jawabannya udah ada di pertanyaan kakaknya sendiri sih. Ya kalo aku pribadi ga akan ngejudge atau mempermasalahkan itu. Misal seorang muslim telah belajar banyak tafsir/pandangan akan suatu isu dari berbagai aliran/pandangan di dalam agama Islam trus kesimpulannya memang makan daging babi itu haram. Mindsetku adalah semua kembali ke orangnya masing2, misal dia tahu bahwa makan babi itu haram ya balik lagi ke mindset dia. Apa arti dan pentingnya agama buat dia, apakah penting/harus untuk memenuhi semua ajaran agama, apakah agama itu benar dihatinya dia atau cuma paksaan yang jadi rutinitas?
Kalo misal dianya sudah fix yakin tahu kalo itu haram/gaboleh tetapi dilakukan ya yaudah itu urusan dia sama Tuhannya (terlepas agamanya apa). Misal dia tetep makan babi so maybe dia Islamnya ga terlalu dalem/strict gitu. Toh cara orang beragama beda-beda. Ada cara beragama yang lebih konform pandangan mayoritas/umum yg diangap lebih benar dan ada cara pribadi. Mana yang bener kan bukan terserah kita tapi ntar dihakimi Tuhan. What is religion/religious practice kalo bukan interpretasi si pengajar agama (terlepas perihal makan babi).
Trus kalo ngomongin dosa yaudah kita siapa sih ngurusin dosa orang. Pahala, dosa, akhirat, ibadah, dan overall agama seseorang itu urusan/hubungan pribadi setiap manusia dengan Tuhan/ajaran agama yang dia percaya. So why bothering them?. Kalo ga setuju ya, ingatkan secara halus aja trus selanjutnya apa keputusan dia selanjutnya yaudah itu diluar kendali kita. Bukankah semua adalah perjalanan hidup dan spiritual masing2, ntar cara balik ke Tuhannya juga masing2 kan. Iya kita berinteraksi dengan orang lain tapi siapa kita mengontrol/memaksa orang lain toh Tuhan juga memberi freewill. Bukankah tugas kita hanya berinteraksi, saling mengenal, saling menyayangi (seperlunya) dan saling mengingatkan? dan mengingatkan itu beda dengan memaki, menjudge, dan memaksa. QS Al-Baqarah 2:256 "(dan) tidak ada paksaan dalam menganut agama (Islam)"
Gita is perfection
lets go
Don't change islam to fit your thoughts or feelings. If you don't like islam, leave it don't currept it.
Say that to some hypocrite muslims using islam to judging and spread hateness
@@riasahara3220 well said sis
@@riasahara3220 yes to them too, no one should dare to do that
LOOHH BARU SEJAM
Silahkah anda menjadi guy,lesbi, dll tapi jangan ada propaganda LGBT
Aku sih mendukung childfree
Kak Gita im with youuuuu
FRAGILE SPIRITUALITY HAHAHA YES
32:12 omongan nya aneh tuh tentu saja agama jadi moral kompas karena dalam Islam agama di sebut Deen ( jalan hidup / way of life ).
Tentang menjadi orang baik tidak perlu agama semua orang Islam mah tahu tentang itu, karena paman nabi terkenal akan kebaikan nya namun sampai mati tak pernah punya agama.
Paman nabi punya agama woi, dia nyembah tuhan dr nenek moyang dia yg namanya "manaf" anjiir. Ini nih orang2 bego sok2an pinter, kek 2 cewe di video
Sekarang gua tanya klo elu gk perlu agama utk jd baik. Gmna elu nentuin baik buruk??
@@nak.lanangceritanya kamu representatif 1slam ya? Kasar sekali bicaranya. Kok malah org ‘religius’ lebih barbar dan ga beretika dari yang dibilang ga religius.
mannn i wish this video was at least one week long.. ;;;;;;;;
memang sangat menderita tersiksa pas pulang balik ke NKRI setelah lama tinggal LN.. gegar budaya, lingkungan, gaya hidup, etc...berat