Subaru Symmetrical AWD vs. Honda, Toyota, and Volkswagen
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2008
- Subaru's All Wheel Drive Vs. Honda's Real Time, Volkswagen's All Wheel Drive.
This is an internal video that was not meant for public consumption. IT IS NOT A PROMOTIONAL VIDEO! It is a recap for those who attended a driving event in spring 2007 (hence the previous gen Highlander). The events in this video took place one year after the previous shared AWD video at a different location. - Авто та транспорт
Having a Subaru is like having a plain-looking wife who is an excellent cook, a great mom, is thoughtful, kind, considerate, great with the budget, and never fails to surprise you in a good way and impress you. That's why a little extra maintenance now and then is never too much to ask.
Love. It’s what makes a Subaru a Subaru
For that she has to be allowed to show some violent drinking habits...
And the blowjobs.
Well, as a man, we all know there is only one thing we want from women.... How HOT is she?
That's why we keep buy those beautiful European money pits. (a Subaru owner says)
So you claim Subaru is plain-looking? Okay maybe it is, but thats part of it's greatness!
The VW's computer sensed it was doing a test and therefore it worked.
:DDDD
touche! very funny comment.
4 motion💪🏽💪🏽
Rofl
#4WDgate
You know it’s a good awd system when you can’t tell if it’s a Subaru commercial or if it’s just that good
It’s what makes a Subaru, a Subaru *outro music
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This video made me buy a secondhand Subaru. Maybe it's just a Subaru's marketing trick, but it's really convincing.
07 Forester XT owner here. They have a really good AWD system. I'd argue one of the best of all car manufacturers. However be aware taking a corner too fast in the dry and sliding on road will transfer power to the outside wheel and you will feel it lurch as the other side slams power to grip the tarmac. Pretty brutal and unexpected, just don't try be an idiot on the road :P
I don't fully understand what you mean by this, are you saying the system makes the slide WORSE in the dry?
Martisan The opposite of that, I'm saying you will feel it transfer the power to the side with traction, thus you feel it grab the road hard and pull you straight. IE if you try to slide it on purpose, expect it to try counter it and put power to the wheels with grip which will pull you in the direction they are facing.
thanks for clarifying!
but are all of them besides subaru with the traction control off? don't think other cars cant climb
It's not the first video showing Honda's fake AWD system.
Jakub Kurzawa it's not a fake awd , it's just not the best, unless sh awd is the beast.
Subaru’s isn’t that great either. An open diff and differential braking will never substitute for a limited slip and locking centre differential-or locking front and rear diffs.
Jakub Kurzawa
My crv awd works great, mud snow ice, no problem
James Mcginn
Well no, that's unlikely a result of AWD. Front wheel drive vehicles already excel at snow.
I love 4 wheel drive
VTEC awd did not kick in
LOL! "Underrated" comment.
Slap a VTEC sticker on - fix that issue real quick.
Regardless of what type of 4WD/AWD system you have and you get stuck, try this. Slightly put your foot on the break while the tires are spinning. Applying the breaks will transfer torque to the tires not spinning and most likely get you out of your situation. But it does depend how stuck you are in the mud or snow. Depending on which tires are losing traction, you can also apply your hand break too. If your in the snow, lower your tire pressure and that will help a lot too to gain traction. This is an old off road trick to create a manual traction control. I wish I was driving the cars that didn’t make it up that ramp, I would apply the break while giving it gas and drive right up their ramp.
i wish companies would stop calling their 4wd awd hybrids 4wd
Yup, it ain't 4WD unless there's a transfer case.
Ben Mcghie yeah 3 diffs don't mean 4wd lol
Ben Mcghie 4x4 has a transfer case. 4wd/awd dousnt.
garry eluveitie doesn't 4wd imply 4x4
Exactly
U guys just roasted Honda 😂
it does not need roasting, anyone who knows cars knows that the CRV has the worst AWD of them all.
Marco "just roasted Honda" yeah sure, imbecile. Hondas aren't made fast from factory, the people who buy them for a legitimate reason know this, every single one of them, they buy it because it's a fun car, and with a nice exhaust, in their opinion, they sound very nice. They're cruisers, touge racers, enjoyment cars, not race cars, but if you wanted to there's not a single Honda out there you couldn't turn into a race car, or atleast a drag car, now am I saying that I like them and that I would like to buy one, no, they're not my style, and I'm more of a I6 kind of guy, like an R32 or a supra, something of the nature, but from my expirience and the people I hang out with daily, and literally hundreds I've met over the years, that's what I've heard, they know they're not going anywhere ridiculously fast, but they're looking damn good doing it, and that's just that, no argument to it. Saying a Honda is beautiful is the EXACT same thing as saying a 2017 ZO6 looks beautiful, opinion, not a fact whatsoever. So much hate for Honda for literally no reason at all.
Marco hello
Marco hondas rt awd is garbage we all know that. But Acura's SH-AWD is the shit
Scott Gonzalez gotten out of more off-road situations and ice/snow in a Honda Pilot than my friends in some AWD cars
It’s 2 am why am I watching this
same...
5 am for me
Because subie life.
Mdma and weed that's why
2:01 am here, had to know the results
I have had two Subaru foresters a 2005 and now a 2011. I live in Northeast PA in the Pocono mountains and the Subarus go where most vehicles get stuck.
I have a subie here in PA and love this thing.
How are the moutain curves there? may have to bring out my BRZ lol
As if... lol. I’d like to see it go through what my F-150 does with its whopping 7 inches of ground clearance.
Bartonovich52 The Subaru guy was obviously talking terrain wise without considering obstacles or bumpy roads.
Got 5in of snow last winter and there were drifts of 8+ inches. Passed a 4x4 Honda Pilot that was stuck in the road with my inferior ground clearance Subaru Legacy. If only their bumpers were built for offroading, Subarus would be up there with Rover and Jeep I think.
i hope subaru stay in business for a long ass time
I hope so too, but I can’t imagine what their vehicles will look like in 20 years time
Subaru was making rally cars since the 80's and pretty much perfected traction control since then.
Ahmad Faris sorry to interrupt you but in rally the use a permanent AWD system and a diff that is basically almost like a welded diff
Don't forget the notorious active-yaw 4wd from Mitsubishi. Tommi Makinen doesn't settle for less.
@@terragaia7092 R.I.P. Mitsubishi. Now that they're effectively gone, Subaru is the only remaining player, however now they have no competition. Hopefully they don't fluff off.
as did Audi with Quattro and why they won so many rally/WRC race back in the day
I’m watching this in 2019 and wondering why they are testing cars from 10+ years ago. Then I looked at the publishing date. Makes sense now.
Is this issue still the same with current models?
I'm 10 I was born when this video was made XD
As soon as they said Tribeca I knew how fucking old this was. I work at a Subaru dealership and we try to pretend those were never made.
SKOTTY KILMER HAS LEFT THE CHAT!
😂😂😂😂
Scotty prefers Toyotas.
I think he's mainly concerned with reliability. One of his major problems with Subaru is head gasket issues, and I think he'd go with the highlander.
Yeah in one of Scotty's new videos he acknowledged Subaru superior traction control. He needs to understand not every one needs a car to last 300k miles. Some people just need a car to help them not die.
I own a 2001 Subaru outback with the original engine and transmission. Currently at 378,671 miles on it. I did the head gaskets using a 6 star head gasket. Still good. The head gaskets were done at 123,464 k
He has mentioned in some of his videos that Subaru make the best AWD system
@@jeffreyschindler2289 I'm gonna need to do the head gasket on my 2000 legacy wagon with 130k miles on the odometer
I'd love to see more tests like this including Volvo AWD and other manufacturers, as well as turning on/off options such as X-drive, ESP, differential locks, etc.
I would like to see how the manual versions stack up. My Legacy GT is meant to have 50/50 torque split but has LSDs front and rear
It's 2019 now. I'd love to see how Honda's awd compares the Ridgeline/Pilot and CRV compare tot he Outback and Forester. What did 12 years of technology do for non-Subaru vehicles?
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This video is biased towards subaru. They were paid to fake this
@@brandonar868 lmfao how?
I can confirm that even my Acura SH-AWD system is worse than my Subaru 4EAT. Lmfao.
still the best. I guess you never drove one..
This is why I want one! Perfect for the winter!
Great to see the identical test comparisons, I'm looking at some different brands of AWD & 4x4 systems and want to know just how they would actually perform!
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Nicely presented. Easy to understand.
I've seen several videos like this in the past few months. I went out and bought a used Forester and I love it.
Good choice
Good lord, the VW isn't failing at the ramp due to transverse engine mounting. It's because it lacks the ability to sufficiently lock any differential to transmit the required torque. Keep making the ramp steeper, and the subie will fail like all the others (or it will overheat its drivetrain). Make it less steep, and the VW and Toyota will do fine.
A vehicle with lockable differentials will pass this test at much, much steeper angles. (Modified toyota pickup, land rover, land cruiser etc etc). That's why you buy true 4WD with a "PART TIME" designation. Aka: Can't use it on dry pavement because it grips so well.
I will say, Subaru tends to have the best AWD system for mixed use driving. The thing is... you pay for it. It's not as fuel efficient, it needs more maintenance, and it is heavier. But it is probably the best full time AWD solution.
Have had a forester, full time AWD... fuel part is very true. any full time AWD car, alot of parts and especially the massive Subie trans and engine = heavy and will eat fuel, more wheels to feed whereas FWD will just pull the car and has less parts needed to send the power towards the wheels thats why they made massive 4 cylinder FWD vans. But if i am not wrong you can remove a fuse and start the car and the car should start in front wheel drive. not sure about the new models though.
So about the forester, 6spd non turbo. took it 500000km no major issues! just serviced it, regular oil stuff, the engine was never taken apart and the gearbox never had issues even the diffs.
Only changed belts, batteries, radiator and tyres like any other person.
The car eventually died not an engine issue or trans as far as i could see, the car was running perfectly as you start moving but getting the car moving, it would bog down like something was restricting it, maybe electrical issues as you give it gas and it sounded like a refridgerator condensor as if it was the air con because it kept giving the car a super high idle every 10 seconds while at a stop and only at a stop and couldnt turn it off. might have been a driveshaft issue for all i know but its long gone now.
Now i have a Gc8, 5spd non turbo, 200000km no issues as well. same as the forester
Oh you can buy An Sti as it has DCCD no need for modifications
50/50 power split and you can lock the centre diff and play around with Traction Control as well which in snow should so wonders
THAVANI it might have just been a clogged or burned up catalytic converter or a timing sensor issue, possibly something relatively minor.. poor Subie!
2018 WRX weighs 200-500 pounds less than an Audi A4. So idk where you get “it weighs more”. Hell it weighs 1000lbs less than an S5.
@@TheCashDeal I hope it does. The WRX is a half rally car. The S5 is for fast driving on the Autobahn.
Great vid!
best test methodology i've seen. i'd like to see this updated or done yearly with many more cars. just put out a sign have your 4X4 tested for winter traction free.
outback is the skier's best friend
it would be nice if we could see the rear wheels too...
the last test was rear or do you mean from the VW?
To everyone talking about Subbys and their bad head gaskets:
MAKE SURE that you replace with a *SIX-STAR* brand head gasket kit and you're good to go. Just had head gasket replaced, timing belt, new radiator and hoses, valve seals/covers/guides, etc done on my 06 Subby Outback with 190k on it. Ready to go 300k no problem. If you replace a bad subby head gasket with another OEM head gasket, guess what? It fails again because you're replacing a bad part, with the same bad part. USE 6STAR BRAND HEAD GASKET KIT! If you find a used Subaru that you really like/want but needs a head gasket replaced, tell them take off the cost of repairs from listing price (or as close as you can get, $800-$1,500) then get the much higher quality Six-Star brand gasket kit and it's good to go for the life of the car.
Ps. Stick with OEM for timing belt and water pump they are solid parts.
Thanks for the tip! Planning to buy my first car second-hand, and looking at a Subaru.
@I'm Still Alive explain more. The only spending you should spend is on regular scheduled maintenance and a head gasket repair **ONLY** if you buy a used subby and it hasn't been done yet, or if you take the price out of the sellers asking price. Because other than the head gasket, my 06 outback 2.5I 4cyl Automatic Limited trim has no problems at all. Replacing a CV axle and fixing small power steering leak are the only things on my to do list for hopefully the next 2 years, that and oil changes and a coolant flush soon. There is a reason you see so many on the road at 200k-320k
Great video with a really clever test bed. I am not a fanboy type at all, but I do own a 2004 manual Forester, which I bought used a couple of years ago. I could not be happier with it.
Pickup up a 2018 Forester MT6 base model from my folks, who moved up to automatics. I pulled our 1200 pound teardrop trailer, with dog, 2 babies, wife, and camp gear, at highway speeds for two days, and got 26mpg. Daily driving to work, it's getting 31.4 indicated on the display (more like 29.5 at the pump), it's smooth, quite (well, road noise), and the windows are like a greenhouse. I see all. Couldn't be happier!
Great! Symmetrical is the key word to look for. That's what I want next! Thanks!
Now let's see those guys with "My X-Drive is better".
Great video, the thing is that the other brands all use haldex systems. And subaru har their own system on 4wd, subaru, bmw and audi has the best 4wd systems and they use their own systems. Except that audi a3/s3 had haldex
I watched this when it was still a fresh vid, bought an outback because of this video. Absolutely loved that car.
Good test/demonstration.
Very useful! Love to see Rav4 being compared with similar cross-overs and older generations of these versus newer ones.
While I don't agree with the assertions that the offset transmission/drive axles are the cause of the inabilities shown, I am impressed by Subaru's ability to climb with just one wheel.
I know this has much more to do with highly effective proportional braking of individual wheels, than it does with a symmetrical drivetrain.
Correct btw subaru does not recommend doing this as it is really bad for the cv axle having one tire move the car witch is why unlike vw they don't advertise this feature
Yea i highly doubt it has anything to do with that, is more of the issue with open differentials and not having a proper torque vectoring system onboard. Older subarus would probably have similar issues unless they have limited slip differentials. As for cars that didnt climb....they have just fake "AWD" sustems that cant be depended on that much they might toggle on during a slide but that's about it then they will instantly turn off its just 0 offroad/bad conditions capability. Older 4Runner would do much better but newer ones are as fake as most of these "AWD" systems in transverse engine cars.
@@Kacpa2 While not AWD, the Mazda Miatas I've owned over the years, all had Torsen differentials. Unlike typical limited slip differentials that rely on friction disks, Torsen has a very clever combination of spur and worm gears, to deliver power to the non-slipping wheel. Completely mechanical without any computer or controller to function. I wonder how that would work on a Subaru for both axles?
@@ElementofKindness Just look at the subaru STI system. they have torsen (or torsen like) system front and rear with an adjustable torque distribution center diff
@@pascha4527 Oh, that's cool! I love the Torsen differential in Mazda Miatas. I'd run out of steering before I'd run out of traction when driving them in deep snow. 😅
Nice Video guys.👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Awesome video!! I'm sold on Subura!!!
damn after all these years people still watch a vid like this :DD
interesting
And a month later I reply to your comment, with no real meaning... Its a crazy world! Take care.
you know it lol
"This is a full-time four-wheel-drive system."
No it's not.
Truly an eye opener!
Ridiculous how these companies charge extra for ineffective AWD. Great video. Very detailed.
8:26 Subaru doesn't claim that, but lets validate that claim.
4motion can be haldex, torsen or viscous. It depends on vehicle year and model. I assure you I did the research before I got my Subie and yes, Subaru has at least 3 different AWD systems. The new STi now uses Torsen differentials on both front and rear with a driver-selectable traction bias center differential. Just Google for Subaru viscous coupling and you'll find the information. Just like the 4motion, it depends what year, model, etc.
Great test
The STI is Torsen in the rear, planetary gear in the middle, and a helical diff in the front. The DCCD also allows the driver to manually change the torque split between the front and rear wheels.
Was the crv at full throttle?
Mine only engages with more gas. Which isn't ideal but how it works.
I'm on my third subaru, and the sawd system has never gotten me stuck. Also, they're perfect for drifting (as long as the engine can handle it (rip subaru #2))
I just totaled my legacy while drifting today. It was ridiculously fun to say the least
Oof
only got stuck once in my 08 forester, i framed it in snow. yeah don't try to drive in a parking lot that's not plowed lol. took about of foot of snow to frame it
"Continuous AWD" is in Subaru's with a manual transmission. It is a viscous center diff that splits power 50/50 all of the time. When there is slippage, it can only transfer so much since it can't mechanically lock up.
With "Active AWD", there is a computer controlled center diff that can lock the front and rear drive shafts together.
"VTD AWD" adds stability control and traction control to allow side to side transfer of power, front and rear.
I moved from the Chicago area to a small town in South Dakota and traded in my '02 Impala LS for an '05 Baja Turbo, given how much more snow SD gets and how much colder the temps are (they only use sand because salt is ineffective). It seems to snow 4 - 8 inches every weekend since November, and every weekend I take my Baja out for a joy ride before the plows get to work. It's so nice to have a car I can get into after some big snow without worry !
I feel like this was one big advert for Subaru.
it pretty much is. those stringed flags separating the seats from the car area have the Subaru logo on them. still its a good demonstration
Subaru used direct competitors against each other. The Tribeca was able to do this as well. In newer videos, the Forester with the base engine and Subaru's most basic AWD was also able to climb on one wheel. It's not a matter of weight, it's a matter of being able to put power where needed. The Passat's Haldex system is inferior to Subaru's most basic system.
Love this test, I would like to see all four wheel drive vehicles with this test.
Own 2 Subie. They are great. Live in state where it never snows. The traction and overall vehicle control is phenomenal.
i can't hear the engine cause ur voice is too loud
It's a pretty good video, and comparison.
It would be nice if you could do it on some never cars and models as well, like Subaru, Volvo, Audi, BMW and other competitors.
Arpad-Jozsef Halmagyi did you not see two Subarus this n the video? Are you blind?
Arpad-Jozsef Halmagyi
Indeed I would love to see some German cars put to shame
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beernutsonline
That didn't help
On the old Top Gear, the boys showed a BMW X5 unable to climb a damp grassy slope. Range Rover did it with no trouble. Same tires on both.
I think most of these systems would serve the average person in average winter weather just fine, but it’s nice to know that in a worst case scenario, you’d be okay. I will say that I recently rented a Buick Enclave to go up to Snowshoe WV. We were hit by a decent snowstorm up there and they don’t much clear the roads, strangely you can deactivate the AWD manually, which I discovered the previous renter had done, but once activated (and it stays on even when the car is turned off and back on) I literally did not slip once, even in deep snow and on steep hills.
I loved this video. I own 2 pre owned Subarus and the 2007 3.6 Passat, second best. I would like to have seen this test also done on a level surface. I'm thinking the VW would've been able to move with that one tire and maybe it's a more realistic, daily encounter.
My 2001 Dodge Dakota 2wd quad cab with mud tires and 600 pounds in the pickup bed would go just about anywhere.
Mercedes advertised the ML to be able to do this, when it first came out. Since then, many companies advertises they can do a one wheel ramp climb. Audi, back in the early 80's, had manual diff locks on the 4000 Quattro and semi auto on the 5000 Quattro. You could lock the center and rear differentials, giving you a positive 3 wheels driven, which is what got them up Pikes peak faster than any other. That, and big turbos. Eventually, they were outlawed altogether, because nobody could beat them, even after many custom restrictions were imposed against them, to make them less competitive. AMC mass produced cars (Eagles) with part/full time 4WD, that made them more capable than most pickup trucks! As far as the Passat failing this test, it has to be a software issue. VW synchro AWD is just as capable as Audi's Quattro, as it is the same company and they share the technology anyway.
The issue, though, is that a lot of the lower-end models like the Q3 use the older Haldex AWD systems that only operate when they sense a problem. So you have to check carefully that you are really getting actual 100% of the time on Quattro versus the part-time version, since they all say "Quattro" on them for marketing purposes.
this should be a promo video definitely should be worked into a commercial. I have tested Subaru's AWD system to the max one of the only cars I never got winter tires for. Could run with Summer tires and still dump the clutch and take off on a icy road gotta love the Subaru.
Carefree6714
I bought a new 2018 Golf Sportwagen 4Motion S in July and have been anxiously waiting the first snowfall. Finally a couple of days ago we got pretty hammered here in the Northeast. After about 5 inches of unplowed snow was on the ground, I took her out to navigate our back country roads here in the hill country of Litchfield County, Connecticut. I was like a 16 year old kid driving his first car. I couldn’t believe how she ate up the steep inclines- without snow tires, just the original equipment tires. Granted, this is my first AWD car in my 40 years of driving, so perhaps I’m easily impressed. However I don’t think so- I think this is a superiority balanced vehicle and I’m not kidding- not a hesitation, not a fishtail, not a sideways slide- she was true straight ahead on all inclines. These cars are absolutely awesome. I traded in my 14 year old Volvo V40 FWD which I loved- hard to see her go- for this car. I looked at Volvo and just couldn’t stomach their new $50K+ price range. This car’s sticker price was $26K and change- the base model Sportwagen- and I got it online for $5200 off sticker. I couldn’t beleive it. The quality and performance feels like a $50K car. How long will it last? Only time will tell. But the styling blows away its Subaru counterparts and I think performance is superior too. I hope to see a lot more on the road!
I have a Subaru SVX (vtd) 1994 since 1995, here in Paraguay. Is an absolutely solid car with a high level construcion and still in a really good shape.
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My first Subaru was a 2009 Outback 2.5. I now drive a 2015 3.6 Outback, and am in love with Subaru!
While the VW did OK, it's so goofy looking, LOL!
Anyway, I'll always own a Subaru!
Had this same scenario, I was on at a light on the top of a hill that was icy in a FWD Audi and I could not move forward even with good snow tires, needed some people to help push me. Sold the car and got an Audi quattro, never looked back as the same situation happened again but this time I pulled up with ease.
@robMD2010 This was done with traction control on and off for the audience. The video was filmed with it on, as it was thought to be the best way to demonstrate they way the systems fully integrate with their AWD and traction control systems. Traction control on and off didn't make a difference as the vehicles weren't "stuck." Subaru has the same instructions in the owners manual about vehicles being stuck. It is a condition where none of the wheels have traction.
I’m glad I purchased 2001 outback llbean in 2019
I just got an '03 Bean a couple months ago as well!
My Infiniti G35X has AWD package and it works just as good as my buddy's 2002 Subaru Impreza!
Nissan's AWD systems are good aswell but kind of rare and far inbetween on most models. But ones that have it and have some performance or capability often work really well. Tho in cheaper and more pseudo SUV crossover cars like Juke it definetly is another of these fake nonfunctional AWD systems
@tos3rd Yes... as long as the VDC is turned on. The VDC acts like an LSD and brakes on the slipping wheel. This forces power to the side that has traction. VDC monitors wheel spin for each wheel and can brake on them individually.
Fascinating!
Subaru’s reign supreme
get my jeep and hold my beer....
Assuming it performs comparably... I'd still have to say I trust Japanese reliability
Suburus is faster n cheaper on gas
Say bye to Jeep because Land Rover is here
Can my corolla join in too?
Jeep is 4x4 if you use it on any surface that isn't lose you can damage the transfer case these vehicles are awd and are usable on any surface
I wish this test is done again with 2018 cars. I'd love to watch it.
Vert informative.
owner of a STI.... Best car I have ever owned in my life.Great video, it proves that you get what you pay for.
should have used an 80's audi quattro with optional locking diff.
This video was to compair most suvs that most common familys buy, when you dont have to fork out 40,000 for decency..
This video is revealing, I would've never second guessed a 4wd system.
@yngvaigilbsteen That is correct. For Subaru, VDC is integrated with the AWD. It's not slapped on top of it. Some manufacturers, like Volvo, have systems that are not fully integrated. A Volvo has to disengage AWD to engage ABS. Subaru uses steering, braking, accelerator, and individual wheel sensors to ensure that the vehicle is going in the direction where the steering wheel is pointed. It can do this by braking on individual wheels and managing engine output.
I have a subaru and i believe that subaru’s awd is amazing, but this camera angle just makes me think that someone was pushing the subi. 😄
So, legacy is better than forester?
It was back then. They are all about the same now.
Bit late but.. it's the drivetrains that differ. The tested Forester was Auto, the Legacy was manual; that's the difference. The autos have a different rear diff setup to the manuals (electronic control, rather than a limited slip mechanical diff); an auto Legacy also would not climb this, a manual Forester would.
There are 3 different awd systems from subaru currently the cvt,standard manual,and sti manual there the same in all cars and suvs in the lineup except us regulations now states all vehicles must have electronic traction systems so if you get stuck in a newer subaru you absolutely have to turn that system off
This is an AWD CR-V. The CR-V was unable to shift power to the rear from a standing start. It needed to be in motion to initiate a power shift.
NEED TO UPDATE THIS INFORMATION!!
Have fun with your Subaru's CTS transmission
CVT* and they aren't that bad, just have to drive one eventually
0:56 I dunno, this looked like it was gonna go up if the driver was a little more keen on allowing it to.
They keep stopping in order to pretend Subaru's AWD system is so great, its not, and they were starting and stopping the slip rollers with the computer system in order to make it look as though Subaru had no problems.
Why am i not shocked that all your other videos are subaru videos :D
@chlarock The people this video was meant for were actually there and could see the entire vehicle. It was meant as a recap for the attendees.There's an independently conducted version in my other videos
4:53
You're not fooling me.
That engine doesn't sound like 'petal to the metal'.
That's the entire point they're trying to make.
Did you mean "peDal tothe metal"?
That was a long Subaru commercial.
9:11 no, it's because it applies the brakes to front wheel which is slipping, forcing the differential to divert torque to the wheel with traction
I love my 07 Forester and after watching this I’m going out to buy another one
Another Subaru advertisement 👀
A simple button press in the Highlander would have got it up the ramp...there's a 4WD lock button which locks it into a 50/50 torque split up to 25mph and would have had no trouble making it up the ramp. Does the Honda have anything like that?
All these vehicles are FWD biased, they do not have the ability in normal settings to transfer enough power to get the vehicle moving...I think you should try the Highlander again except engage the 4WD lock mode wonder if the results would be different?
1st gen Highlanders have a 50/50 split at all times, it has a snow mode that’s basically a transmission setting which starts it in second gear to reduce wheel spin from a stop
This gives us a heads-up when we buy/planto buy a car.
@yngvaigilbsteen No. left and right torque split can happen through the use of non open differentials on the front and rear axles. Some previous Subarus had rear limited slip differentials. They could transfer power left and right on the rear, but had open front diffs. The WRX STI has a mechanical front and a Torsen rear differential. It can transfer power left and right on the front and rear wheels without VDC.
Mitsubishi is the real competitor of Subaru.
Sean Zhong no....
Sean Zhong Suzuki?
True it will challenge Subaru
Well it was maybe not now
Sean Zhong
Naaaaah AUDI is the real competitor
This is biased because they didn't activate the VTM-4 button to make it all the time all wheel drive! Which is only activated in first gear.
@SparkDischarge You should check out an exploded view of the automatic transmission. It is located EXACTLYon the centerline. Subaru's VDC system reacts quicker than a LSD. In addition to that, it can run every parameter of controlling the power split through the ECU. The downside is for track use, it will contribute to brake fade. VDC allows all new Subarus to do what all none STI vehicles couldn't do, control left and right power split on the front wheels.
I would love to see this test on modern 2020 cars
Has nothing to do with longitudinal or transverse powertrain, has little to do with LSDs as most of the vehicles are not equipped with them. Where they are, it us usually a viscous LSD which requires wheelspin to lockup, notice the Legacy displays very little wheelspin. In most of these examples it is down to the effectiveness of the traction control system. I don't know why the Honda etc would not transmit enough torque to the rear, a Haldex unit should be capable of providing huge lock-up - certainly the one on my Nissan Panthfinder does. The best case scenario would be three limited slip diffs and junk off the traction control with a plate rear with aggressive ramp angles and high preload, a DCCD centre with semi-active controller and a plate front with light preload will give you the best traction and best efficiency for laying down the power. The 'Symmetrical AWD' is the stupidest strap line Subaru have come up with, the powertrain layout is good for weight distribution and serviceability (i.e. you can get the transmission out quicker), nothing else.
Finally a sane comment from someone who understands that this symmetrical AWD is marketing bullshit. Nothing to do with torque distribution.
Any 4X4 truck with a locking diff would pass any of the one wheel tests. Powertrain layout is more for marketing than anything else I hate working on those pieces of crap spark plugs are way more annoying than they need to be luckily the head gaskets like to blow the exact same time the spark plugs need to be changed so that's nice. So you could do them both at the same time.
@@HimmelWeint I don't think the Ford track lok will do crap if one wheel has zero traction. The S-Spring gives about 20ft/lbs of locking power. Maybe a bit of movement on a level ground. Then you need a bit of traction on the other tire.
volkswagen claims one wheel with traction can move the car..maybe they are talking about on flat ground and not an incline
Yeah that's what I was thinking
You need to qualify that statement. All you need is one tire to move a vehicle. The traction is going to be based on that one tire... what compound? What tread? What tire pressure? Are there studs or chains?
Traction is everything. I’ll take a 37 HP D2 Caterpillar and out pull a 1 ton diesel pickup truck on mud.
So really, it’s the tires. And who’s going to driving around on crappy all seasons because they own the “best” AWD car in the world? Subaru drivers!
That’s why I pass so many of them spun out in the ditch with my 2WD shit box with tires worth more than the whole vehicle is. Overconfidence in Motion.
I have a subie XV crosstrek diesel and it is amazing in mud, snow and ice. That thing will go places you wouldn't expect from a crossover.
Crosstrek DIESEL???? WHERE ARE YOU FROM? I want one....I'm from USA no such thing
I feel like you should have tested with traction control off on all models to see if it helped in this particular test environment. Was curious about Volvo entry as well