Janice Fiamengo: Feminism, Anti-Feminism, and Common Sense
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
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Janice, a retired Professor of English at the University of Ottawa, calls herself an anti-feminist, which may sound shrill or reactionary, but it is worth listening to her discussions to learn why she so labels herself. Most recently she has been working on a comprehensive history of Feminism and provides compelling arguments, based on data, that much of conventional wisdom regarding such things as universal suffrage and the plight of women currently misrepresents what actually transpired.
Whether or not you are inclined to agree with Janice, listening to her is enlightening, and it is also enriching. She is calm and charming, and anything but a firebrand, and we cannot imagine how one could have a non-cordial conversation with her. Nevertheless, she has been censored, and protesters have too often forced her public lectures to be cancelled. It is a great pity, because we need voices of reason to speak to each other if we are ever to rise above the partisan nonsense currently engulfing popular debate. - Наука та технологія
Janice is one of the only women I support speaking for men. She has zero agenda to make money from male attention and has never said anything stupid or retrograde after hundreds of hours of content. The Regarding Men series on Studio Brule basically saved my life. She is a shining light for unseen men and male contributions to society.
Heather Macdonald can speak for me as well,, haha but agreed
If you have not heard of them, please try Alison Tieman, Karen Straughan, Janet Bloomfield, Dr. Helen Smith and others. These cool women can see right through all the feminist bullshit. Even Christian conservative women like Candace Owens and Allie Stuckey are even beginning to see through it as well. Feminism is a lie that is leaving women husbandless and childless.
then why is she going on for one hour over the same points every idiot gets after the 2nd time ? the fact that some feminists are assholes doesn't make feminism a non issue. and while there are more male alcoholics the same is very much true for rapists and child abusers.
@@schrecksekunde2118 the number 1 perpetrator of child abuse is by the mothers. And men get sexually assaulted often but is hardly reported.
@@Dovahkiin9 seriously?????
You're doing great things here, Lawrence: necessary conversations delivered with intelligence and integrity. Don't go away. Cheers to Janice for her clarity and courage.
Janice Fiamengo is an astonishing and fascinating speaker on this topic. Such a privilege to listen to her. Lawrence is an awesome interviewer letting the conversation develop naturally. Loved every minute of this conversation
Amazing woman. She was kicked out of the University of Ottawa for speaking out against the mainstream narrative, but she doesn't consider herself a victim in any way. This is a really brilliant interview.
Janice is a CDN gem. Smart, real, clear of thought and sight and also very eloquent +++ kudos you have her on Lawrence.
Love Dr Krauss! Thank you for introducing me to Dr. Fiamengo!
Another great podcast.Thank you Lawrence, thank you Janice both.
I've never heard someone articulate these problems as accurately and honestly as she does. She's spot on with her observations and has my deepest respect for that. Thank you Lawrence for the great questions and the room you gave her for her thoughts. I enjoyed the whole two hours.
Janice is great! Talk with Karen Straughan about the fempocalypse.
I haven't heard from Karen STraughan in a couple years, I liked her channel but it seems to have died
She has been turning up on Honey Badger Radio, the youtube channel, recently.
@@Rx7man She turns up in the comments sections of various UA-cam channels.
Janice is one of the BEST living women. Honest, erudite, determined, knowledgeable, communicative, humble, beautiful and capable. Steve Brûlée is fab too. Together they should be garnering far more attention. Timely work indeed!
Janice is solid as a rock.
Lawrence did a great job!
Woke tendencies? Define a "woke tendency" for me. Give some context.
“Wokeness” is a reactionary concept. It has its roots in conspiracy theories, of flat earthers, ufo social hysterias, and the stuff around the secret power groups like the Illuminati. It comes from the catch cry of media pundits like right wing shock jocks like Alex Jones “wake up people” . Etc
The left has a political message intrinsically bound up in its social, economic and political approach to equality - and there is no more blindness in that than there here is in giving your kid an ice cream at the beach.
There is however a case to be made for a liberal work centralists who are agenda driven more than ideological.
@@SamLanena, Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies.
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To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, socialism, multiculturalism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
Janice's statement that everyone loves movies about people courageously standing up to injustice and bigots in the past, imagining that they would have shown the same virtue if they had been there, when, in reality, they timidly acquiesce to injustice all the time in their own lives is _so damn true!_ It's similar to Jordan Peterson's statement to his students that, had they been German soldiers or prison camp guards in WWII, most of them would have gone along with the atrocities that occurred then despite their cherished beliefs to the contrary.
Except those atrocities are made up. Get up to speed, the "H" that you are never allowed to question and will get you thrown in prison in 18 countries if you do has been thoroughly, completely debunked. Try the Soviet commies, there you'll find 10s of millions of legit atrocities.
Janice is just the best! No matter what I'm on youtube, if a video suggestion appears featuring her, I'll immediately watch it 😀
When you present voices like Janice’s it shows just how much ahead of the pack you really are. Just keep going Lawrence.
Yes, it is a natural response to care for another - it’s the way in part we are raised by our parents.
Really, this just shows what pack Lawrence is in, rather than him being ahead of any pack in particular. A bad metaphor really, since no one knows the future. That said, I hope it doesn't belong to men's rights campaigners like Janice who, at the end of the day, are another set of victims! It's just weird that Janice and Lawrence can't see that all they've done is flipped the victim coin around. They just prefer men to women - simple!
@@TheAjrclark I think this conversation about rights/emancipation is more nuanced than your speculation that’s it’s just another set of “victims” - a RW talking point, by the way. Lawrence stated his difference with a number of points a couple of times. He is not a leftist either he also states this. It also important that voices like Janice’s et al, find the courage to challenge Feminism’s official doctrines of female emancipation. There are not that many challenging it in this way and this needs to be congratulated.
@@KymHammond Don't get me wrong, I like Lawrence, but he doesn't challenge himself against any woke-scholars (feminism, post-colonialism...etc). I think there's probably more courage - and probably more insight to be gleaned - from doing that. Keeping ahead of the curve means looking at what your opponents are doing, after all. The channel's a bit of an echoe chamber.
@@TheAjrclark In defence of Lawrence here he is a scientist not a journalist nor a polemist despite the views of his guests. In fact, the channel’s outline I would argue is the academic genesis of his guests, how they came to their ideas and then the historical and social trajectory of them.
What the fck is a “woke-scholar” ?
Woke for me is a reactionary term that is trying to be inverted and used against the left. It has some currency with centralist and for neoliberal politics in that they are just as much agenda driven as the political right. Whereas the left however, bases its political and social positions in socialism and Marxism. Wokeness then suggests that there is a pre-existing social and political order to things, for the right in tradition and for the centralist in equality presented as morality and both of which are rejected as foundational within the context of the Left’s approach to defeating capitalism.
@@KymHammond Woke for Lawrence is stuff like critical theory. He’s said this himself. I agree with you, it’s not a term I would use myself - in my own stuff. I was going to put woke in inverted commas, but I thought it would be provocative on an anti-woke channel.
Lawrence chooses guests who reflect his views, at the end of the day. He’s the genesis of the content of his channel, ultimately. It’s not a coincidence you get all this anti-woke nonsense here.
I was at Uni in the 90s, first for a phd and thereafter as a teacher and researcher. It was in Sweden but everything Janice says is very familiar
Another brilliant podcast. Janice is incredible! It is amazing the information that Janice and Heather MacDonald have been able to put forth; and all of it with FACTS, not rhetoric! Many cudos for them to go against the grain, and 'against their own', as it were to discuss these issues calmly and plainly.
Pleasantly surprised by dr Krauss here. Thank you for hosting Janice :)
Great! It's always a pleasure to listen to Krauss' podcast.
It is when he stays away from politics!
Reason and evidence are not enough. When things really matter, one also needs courage, if only just to make that reason and evidence known, and you have shown here that you have it, thank you!
I've been fortunate enough to meet Janice a few times and she is a great person. She is quite modest, yet at the same time intellectually strong.
Lawrence, I haven't even finished the podcast yet; however, I wanted to express that my respect for you has grown simply based on your courage to platform Janice. It is a shame that simple honest conversation on difficult conversations is laudable; yet, here we are.
Cheers!
My brother committed suicide last year.
I have thought of suicide many times myself because of apparently not being attractive to women and always being rejected.
I respect women, but even a simple greeting to an attractive women from me obviously offends her!
We need more talks like this. It's first time I am hearing someone talking about this phenomenon. Speaks of my heart.
Thanks to professor Kraus and Miss Janice.
The problem is that feminism has destroyed the relations, boundaries, etiquettes and social customs and expectations between men and women. Women are on-edge with men because of this, because so many men will basically ask for a hookup just if we smile at them and start talking to them a little bit or whatever..so it's not your fault personally, and there are plenty of us who are not feminists and who love men. But who are wary and don't know how to handle this situation in our culture, because we as women are no longer protected from feeling like men will not treat us like a prostitute, just asking for sex basically, if we are nice to them..thanks to feminism, the sexual revolution, Hollywood, mainstream media, all that garbage. The breakdown of the social fabric of our society is the root issue..Blessings❤
Hey man, maybe you haven't had anybody tell you but your life is worthwhile and time heals everything. There are women are out there that don't feel this way. Political views don't determine everything but I can promise you that conservative christian women love masculinity and are grateful for men. Best of all they vehemently reject radical feminism!
@@janedoe3648 As always, half truths and half admissions and avoidance of accountability. You know and I know that yes, there is truth in what you say, and just as much truth, if not more, that is isn't just that "feminism" has destroyed relations so women don't feel protected., so therefore, there's all these men directly asking for a hook up. Happens? Sure. But you know very well that there are not half or the majority of men walking up to women and asking for a hook up. Not even 5%. This is absurd. And if this "lack of protection" is so bad for women, leaving them so "vulnerable", why are there millions of women in the US alone shoving all kinds of objects in every orifice on camera as Onlyfans creators for men all over the world to see, if they are so "sensitive" to crass sexuality? Or why are there millions of women getting black out drunk every weekend and hooking up with random guys and then bragging about it on Tik Tok? Or have all their titties and asses out on Instagram by the millions completely sexualizing themselves? And then they're like......Oh, geez.....what a mystery......all these guys just wanna dig my guts out......doesn't make a lick of sense. If it wasn't for that damn feminism class, I wouldn't have my ass posted all over the internet....... GTFO of here......lol....
In fact, most men, regular men, which is the vast majority, that have to work with women everyday in mass, walk on eggshells around them in fear of being accused or offense. They know damn well walking up to a woman and asking for a hook up is a quick way to get fired, have your career ruined, or land in jail, just based on the word of the woman. The vast majority of these men, the ones that are completely invisible to you (you think that the 1% giga chads that you want and that are hooking up with you are all men) would just like to be treated like human beings. Large percentages of women have become completely narcissistic , delusion, arrogant, entitled, hags that love power tripping and expressing their open distain and even hatred of men and using their sex for power. That is what causes the breakdown of the social fabric. Janice speaks on this very eloquently, explaining that this is a logical result of the constant victim narrative broadcast to women since birth and the constant excuses as to why any bad behavior is never their fault but always just the result of discrimination or non existent historical oppression.
Finally, it is very legit that more and more men do just settle for sex because frankly, that is all that most women today have to offer. Their company is bland, thoughts are dull, they are crass, uncultured, barely competent, immature and, well, just plainly very unpleasant to be around. Might as well just hit it....and quit it......
Feminism is NOT garbage.If you lived in a country where Feminists hadn't gotten you all the rights you take for granted the "men" who run things would have gotten rid of you by the time you turned twelve thinking that you were too old.
I’m sorry, but you need psychotherapy not relationship with women. There is no women’s responsibility that you thought about suicide. If you’re an adult, you have to feel good even without relationships. When you feel good without relationships- you can find a good partner because you know what you’re looking for. But of course it’s much easier to give responsibility to another person. That’s not attractive not only in men, but in women also.
There is great power in labelling yourself as a victim.
Only in a society that prioritizes empathy over truth
Men are doing that now
In the short-term labeling yourself as a victim is a strong defense against the intrusion of unsettling ideas, but if you build such walls around yourself you are, in the end, their prisoner.
Meh....kinda. There is some surprising currency to be had, but it can't be spent anywhere that matters. Kinda a real-world equivalent of arcade-tickets.
@@nickparkison977 you say that as-if any society, ever, has has some uniform outlook....finding a uniform outlook in any given person over time is unusual by itself!!
Amazing talk! She's on point. I have felt frustration in a lot of instances when for no other reasons but having a vagina, a woman will get help where a man with the same need is turned down.
There's a lot of NGO going to foreign countries under the umbrella of helping women while the men there have the same if not more needs than the women.
Yeah, you're right. Men are oppressed. We're the real victims. It's about time people noticed how difficult things are white men!
You're full of crap and she isn't on point.
I never even knew Lawrence had a podcast until now.
And I never expected to hear a discussion between the great physicist and Janice F! Such an interesting pairing.
Professor I applaud 👏 you for the way you defend men as I feel modern feminists have lost the plot with the way they see men and taint all of them with the same brush. All of what you said in your discussion with Lawrence Krauss is accurate and your knowledge of the history of feminism is very insightful 👌
Janice is brilliant and so compelling. Fantastic interviewer and interview.
When I was introduced to feminism I thought it was about striving for gender equality which seemed to me a noble and just quest. But then as the years went on I noticed the rhetoric around feminism becoming quite toxic and about hating men and always giving the benefit of the doubt to women, and it just didn't seem right.
I also noticed the same hysteria and toxicity plaguing other movements which set out with good intentions to lessen some of the imbalances which were witnessed in society. The quest for equal opportunities for all races turned into a hatred of white people. The quest for equal rights for lgbtq people turned into a hatred of heterosexual people. The quest for animals rights turned into a hatred of anyone who ate meat.
Witnessed the decay of all these movements which set out to improve life quality turning into little more than a bashing competition was hugely disappointing.
I still think aiming for equal opportunities for men and women, equal opportunities for different races and improved quality of life for farmed animals are noble quests worth pursuing.
But I'm just so ashamed of some of the people are supposedly my companions on these quests.
I agree with most of what she is saying except for the part where she calls herself anti-feminist. As a 61 year old white woman who calls myself a feminist I Cannot align with such Caustic labeling. To me anti-feminist means against equal rights for women. To me, anti-feminist means against equal rights for women. I don't like the cancel culture Or any view that is against equal rights. It seems like the label anti-feminism is attention seeking and mis leading for the profit of aggravating the extreme left
@@muttshaman2040You could say that if she was opposed to the dictionary definition of feminism, but that is not feminism in reality.
I worked at a college for almost a decade and was fired for "Looking at a women half my age" they even wrote it on my leaving documents
What the fuck? Feminist jealousy of younger women is horrid.
Men and women who support equality should start first by lobbying their respective legislatures and parliaments to address men’s health issues such as workplace deaths (93%) and injuries (64%), suicides (80%), murder rates (79%), homeless (75%) and premature death (women live 6 years longer on average than men), medical research ( US spends 2.4 times on breast cancer than prostate cancer), etc. This does no harm to women.
Who kills you men kill women far more then the opposite u don't have to be homeless
Excellent talk, I just recently learned of Janice Fiamengo and very much agree with her.
I don't recall the video but I do clearly recall watching a video recently in which the woman stated that women in the US were not allowed to attend universities until the 1970's! As if that isn't easily disprovable. 🙄
My own mother, grandmother and great aunt ask went to university before the 70s and all earned master's degrees. Mom was born in 1948 and Grandma/great aunt were born in the 1910's.
This is such an important conversation and Fiamengo is a delight. Krauss could work on the stuttering that at times became too distracting. I know he is capable of very clear speech
Impressive that Dr. lawrence Krauss and Dr. Flamengo came together to talk on such an important issue.
So good to find JF again
online after I last saw her
so usually on the prior
sources
When I graduated by McGill engineering in 1988, all the girls in my class (maybe 10 or 15% of the class) all had guaranteed jobs on graduation. All the boys had to work their asses off toe find jobs. In the end, it worked in my favor, as I got REALLY good as finding work.
This is gonna be awesome! Dr.Krauss, When will we get another “physics of Star Trek”?
I’d buy it!
Even Classic Star Trek is a little woke for Lawrence these days!
RIght on sister! Great talk. Thx D.A., J.D., NYC
Janice Fiamengo is a brilliant, courageous truth teller who had the enormous fortitude to push back against the intensely malignant and tyrannical orthodoxies of the feminist academic hegemony, and was predictably ostracized and condemned in consequence. I have the highest possible admiration for her. Bravo for giving her this forum!
Love Janice, and I love you too Kraus. Because of you I changed my mind on philosophy.
I hope the entire Fiamengo File series, along with all the No Joke Janice episodes will be available again soon.
she has the Fiamengo File 2.0 on the channel Studio B.
The anti-harrassment policies that are being implemented at universities is similar to the way strict Islamic societies where men are not allowed to gaze at a woman.
Mrs. Fiamengo is definitely one of my favorites
When I was a University R.A. I oversaw a House of 30 men and 30 women. At no time during that year did any woman (or man) come to me complaining of sexual harassment or assault.
That's a lot of interaction in a dormitory setting, with alcohol, ripe for aggressors to aggress and abuse. So in my experience as the guy in charge the problem of sexual aggression never reared its head. What was common was depression and with some students suicidal feelings for various reasons.
I did not know Studio Brule was cancelled. In any case, I will check out the new Studio B. A very nice conversation, by the way.
Such intelligent wise people, Janice and Lawrence.
Firstly they need to remove the sexist language - swap "women" and "men" to a mutual term, like "people". "PEOPLE shouldn't make unwanted sexual advances". Then, they simply need to add the word "knowingly". "PEOPLE shouldn't make knowingly unwanted sexual advances." That covers both sides and makes both sides responsible, and it includes LGBTI+ people also. A PERSON has a responsibility make it "known" that sexual advances aren't wanted, ie. they have so say something like, "Sorry, but I'm not interested in dating you." The other person is then responsible for not making unwanted sexual advances. Why shouldn't that be changed? It makes both sexes responsible for ensuring appropriate behaviour. Quite frankly, it's also irresponsible of someone not to tell the other person they're not interested, if asked - awkward or not! The asking person has a right to know - it's much kinder than letting them think there's a chance when there isn't! Then, it's irresponsible for someone to keep asking if they know. Why can't we simply make these responsibilities a feature and remove the sexism, so the laws work for everyone equally? A bit of honesty on both sides. Surely this is common sense...
How do we know that those "advances" are unwanted unless we ask?
Have "people" (including you) ever changed their minds after being "advanced" again later? Oh yes I have,and oh yes they have. And oh yes YOU also had at least once I'm sure. It's called seduction.
@@ms-jl6dl Read my post again. I very clearly explained how.
Absolutely floored and impressed to see Larry Krauss here. Not because it doesn't just make more innate sense, but because it does. I'll be honest: hearing Lawrence interview Chomsky, there have been times when I thought "Wow: he just doesn't get it!" But here, with Janice's frankly very equivalent work (aspy, logical, simply correct, what everyone else says be damned), he just does. I suspect it's because what she's saying is even more fundamentally obvious than what Noam says (which Krauss *does* tend to understand, just not in my experience as readily as he seems to understand Faimengo), at least to him. What Chomsky is saying boils down, I believe, to simply this, which suspect and hope Larry fully gets: People. Aren't. Bad. And not in need of societally coerced (and particularly elite-manipulated) redemption. Amazingly even Noam -- who broadly lauds feminism with ZERO characteristically Chomskian critique -- doesn't understand the simply self-evidently true following addendum: Neither. Are. Men.
Eye opening wonderful video. I've always felt women should have all the advantages that men enjoy, as long as they do what they're told.
Great video, Lawrence, and very brave.
Love her. Thanks for sharing.
Lawrence really needs to interview James Lindsay of New Discourses.
The material that Janice said are on Audacy, can someone please help me find them?
How did I not find your channel sooner?
You should bring Karen Straughan on the podcast. She's an MRA beast!
Janice is an Angel sent from God.
Disappointed to find out that Janice is no longer teaching though realizing she still is. I have certainly learned much from her.
"anti feminism is the radical notion that women are adults": was it by Karen Straughan? I think it was her. Such a good summarisation of the whole thing.
Professor Fiamengo is a true legend. More people should listen to what she has to say.
Im sorry and im not trying to be rude..just a simpl question..why the music at the beginning goes on til minute 5 or so..it is rather annoying and disturbing..though it is great for the opening moment...sorry again and thanks for the answer!
Bloody good chat.
I love Janice. I really haven’t found anything to pick on in her videos.
Interesting that the book she suggested costs $67-$180 on Amazon…..
I recall reading Andrea Dworkin in Ramparts a long time ago, and realizing that this aspect of the 'sixties was taking a wrong turn. I waited in vain for some counter push by the 'left' to take her 'bent' extremism to task.
In the video description there ought to be a link to Dr. Fiamengo's youtube channel the Fiamengo File 2.0 hosted by "Studio B", so that viewers can check her facts by watching her more specific and granular videos.
It's been years that I have been (still am) in so much pain inducing trouble just because these exact things that were said here!!! I'm still moving forward though!!! She has to become more known to the world.💯💪
(...and to stop Lawrence acting as the epidemy of those "feminists"!!!???)
Janice, Lawrence, Rumble is where to go.
I heartily recommend giving some time to Karen Straughan as well.
excellent conversation.
as to how we counter all this woke nonsense?
I think it's best done through demonstrating intellectual and moral courage every day. sure, it may lead to uncomfortable situations but it does wonders for your self-esteem. and believe me, these modern feminists don't give a damn about that!
I've thought for a long time that modern feminism has been one of the most expedient movements in history - but now I think that it's just a racket.
I agree on everything but a good man (or woman) doesn’t kill the spider. You take him calmly and gently out.
I had a girlfriend in 1995 in San Diego who had a great job travelling the world, paid extremely well. She told me that she could never get fired. I asked, "Why?" She said "Because I'm a Black, Female, Lesbian.That's why they hired me and that's why they'll never fire me." She checked all of the Affirmative Action boxes. Affirmative action should be based only on socioeconomic factors... not identity!
This situation applies to the First Nation, aboriginals in Canada too. Flags forever at hall mast for mass genocide, without any evidence, is one example of this dead end, dead weight stupidity.
i would love to be able to see the statistics lawrence krauss is reading out att 41.26.
just a comment from the peanut gallery. When a man is interested in a woman he will find a way to show that interest. (All the way from Forrest Gump up to the character Edward Bloom in Big Fish - and any of the heroes in a Bronte novel). Every woman knows who the men are that they are interested in - and the ones that they are not. There is also something only the participants know - and which are often completely invisible to the casual observer - and that is "intent." Women know immediately when things are getting seriously "wrong" - and the men involved know and understand too. And while certain behaviours might seem the same from a distance - they can be absolutely poles apart for the participants. Tricky business - and why it's so difficult for outsiders to get it right? But c'mon - we all know there is a difference - right? What we do need are better protocols for differentiating between perceived and genuine threats and ways to defuse those that are mostly "innocent" - and those that are much much darker and threatening. This is not an impossible task - if we decide it worth taking on and addressing. No matter the effort - there will always be impossibly grey areas - but I think we can do far more to tease out the different varieties of "safe to threatening" sexual advances.
Does she have a book?
Yes
Agree with Janice Fiamengo or not, she's always surprising and interesting.
I am 74 women from france i have a totally different experience of feminism in france especially as a lesbian women but not only i think it was different in usa same for what us happening with the transgender "crises"in usa
This was great, not addressed enough
I'm angry about it Dr Krauss.
Political sense is what the public adheres to.
That is common to them.
sounds more like populism....
@@TheAjrclark Yes and thus public opinion.
@@thegroove2000 Indeed, and populism led to Nazi Germany.
At least these things are finally finally surfacing. Let's end the nightmare that is feminism so that our sons may live in happiness again. It took an insane amount of abuse to make me lose my interest in women completely but feminism managed to extinguish that burning fire in my soul forever. Once you've crossed that line, there is no going back, I've seen enough, I've heard enough, I've had enough. People like Janice give me hope that future generations of men will not have half of their soul be taken away from them.
i agree with most of what this person says in the podcast, but i've caught a couple of historic facts cited that were a bit partial in the exposition.
like the suffragettes abiding with the war: there where only some of them doing that, while other factions, mostly the ones that were more socialists, were against the war and and sending men to die for capitalists reasons, and, as far as i know, had nothing to do with the white feather campaign. and the most shallow investigation on the subject will show you this, so sometimes i get as susipicious of her data as of the one presented by radical feminism.
Yes but NOBODY knows about the "White feather" part of suffragettes and they've being portrayed as dieties in educational system without any criticism,this just points out lesser known but important facts instead of repeating the obvious ones like you.
It's like calling O.J. Simpson "a good football player".
@@ms-jl6dl i don't think that i'm "just repeating the obvious facts". maybe they are to you, an educated person, but i know many many MANY people that doesn't even know about the word suffragette.
i´m just noting that highlighting only some facts of the story (without even citing the others, or even hiding that the more socialist suffragettes were opposing the war) is repeating the same mistake (or misdeed) that she is calling.
that's a petty thing that get her position on the same level of the radical feminists, even when i agree with most of her opinions.
When I see how women are talking about todays war in Ukraine I really doubt it was very different then. "White feather" attitude is pretty common.
Suffragettes did many dreadful things. Letter box bombs maimed and killed, and on a larger scale severely interfered with people's ability to communicate with each other. How many people never got the chance to say goodbye to a dying loved one because selfish women had destroyed the letters? Women got the vote despite feminists behaviour, not because of feminism.
Do mothers not care about their sons, if what you say is true?
I am so sick of all of the isms out there getting everyone irrationally angry with each other.
Can't everyone just respect each others choices and get along without advertising their isms on their lapels?
It simply makes anyone who mentions any of them the poison in the well of an otherwise perfectly good conversation.
I really enjoyed this interview and watched it all the way through. Thank you both very much. But I have a comment. For years now I have watched those mainly on the Right side of politics try to blame wokeness (including feminism) on socialism/marxism and sadly I've even seen Janice hint at this a few times, notwithstanding her review of the work by the socialist Bax, titled the "Legal Subjection of Men", which criticised JS Mills' "false" claims about the "subjection" of women. Sure there are many feminists (and anti racist/LGBTQ+ activists etc) who claim to be socialist/communists but so what? There are even more feminists who hate or are indifferent to socialism etc. Indeed those who are mainly bankrolling and promoting wokeness are the Corporate/Business Class, like Google, Twitter, Disney and Goldman Sachs. Why? Because they'e Marxists? I don't think so. There were also some "thinkers' of the past who claimed to be socialists/communists, dubbed "the Frankfurt School", who apparently focused more heavily on cultural change to achieve the Communist Revolution. Again, so what? Even if they advocated the kind of wokeness we see today (which I havent seen any evidence of) they were never mainstream Socialists/Communists. Socialism is essentially about the Class Struggle, not the sex struggle or the race struggle but the Class Struggle. Indeed one motive the Corporate/Business Class may have for so heavily promoting wokeness is because it divides and distracts us from the class struggle. And its clearly working because for the current younger generations the enemy is not the Corp/Business class who are running our lives and changing our world according to what's in their best interests but instead the enemy is men, whiteness and hetrosexuals. The other supposed link that wokeness has to Marxism is that that they share a belief in the oppressed and oppressors. Yeah and so too most other political philosophies. The developers of the American Constitution warned us repeatedly about tyrants (by which they meant not just individuals but groups as well) who are constantly threatening to subjugate us and they insisted on the People's right to revolt against tyrannical governments that do or would subjugate us (an idea taken from that rabid Marxist, John Locke). My point is that all political philosophies share some ideas in common eventhough they disagree with eachother on a multitude of other things. So to say that wokeness came from Marxism simply because they believe in oppressed and oppressors is flawed reasoning. Im a socialist and I detest wokeness. There are many socialists like me and it wont help us defeat this scurge if the Right keeps attributing this problem to socialism when in actual fact the problem is wokeness, a completely different thing.
I was first exposed to this ideological piggybacking when I heard the term, Marxist feminism. I eventually came to understand that this variant of gynocentrism simply adopted the the paradigm of class conflict and placed all men into the ruling class and women, regardless of their own station in life or wealth, into members of the oppressed class. If anything, this interpretation is antimaterialist empirically dishonest, and thus antiMarxist
Living in harmony with women! Wishful thinking. I gave up on them 30 years ago. More trouble than they are worth.
So sad the original vids
and comments were
erased from yt... When
your tongue is cut out
does it really matter
that it's a billionaire's
knife rather than one
of the government?
Only 40 minutes left. He’s promised four times to cover the history of feminism, but he keeps admittedly avoiding the topic. I’ve heard all this stuff before and I agree. I want the historical facts. Luckily there’s her own vids to watch.
Well, she finally got a chance to give a little summary of the history.
I love listening to Janice, and so much of what she says makes great sense, but I don't agree that men would only go to war to protect women and because they adore women. That's throwing children and other people men might wish to defend completely out of the equation - and men also fight to defend their homes and ways of life. Men are not purely sexual beings. Otherwise, brilliant talk.
At t = 1:10.00 Janice does a mic drop where she notes that most men love women and will die to protect them. In contrast many women hate men or are indifferent to their pain and suffering. She nails it. And it is those 10% of women who hate men or are indifferent to boys lives that steer the ship.
Lol I assume from your comment that women don't really like you.
You ask what can we do about it. Men must be given power, to prevent them being slaves. Fathers must be given power over their family some of the time.
There is a better way. Parental custody of children is actually a very simple matter to solve given the true desire of “What is best for the child”.
We need to separate and discard marriage from family law as they no longer seem to be connected.
We can develop protocols that confer (over time) equal parental rights and responsibilities,…..once parentage is proven.
Children’s natural maturation process has 3 essential stages of need.
A.The unconditional love of the mother from birth until about 7 years of age. The mother to have “thefinalsay” and to receive child allowance.
B.The conditional love of the father, who takes his children out into the world, gives security and teaches social boundaries from 7 until about 13 years of age. This will allow the father to do his "thing" at all stages.The father to have “thefinalsay” and to receive child allowance.
C.The friendship and respect of peers from 13 until 18 years of age. The child to have “thefinalsay”.
If these 3 stages are not gone through in order, maturation is unlikely to be satisfactorily achieved and mental resilience reduced. This has now become generational.
Such a regime of equal parenting rights (over time) would bind parents into a co-operative relationship, because (over time) each will hold the power of “thefinalsay” sequentially when they are best favoured to use it.
Such family protocols would be the default position, (allowing love, courtesy and humour to prevail) but could in exceptional cases be varied by the court.
Buckminster Fuller said:-
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete”.
To alleviate suffering is worthy. To prevent it is divine, but thankless.
Compared with studies in American universities, you can learn so much more, and challenge yourself to think, if you watch videos like this one on the internet. At an American university, it would be nonstop cant and totally one-sided. And people pay $90,000/year for that!
There have to be alternatives going forward, like Hillsdale College or UAustin.
As James Lindsay pointed out, "historically marginalized" does not change. Let's say your great-grandparents were slaves. That means you were historically marginalized. You could be doing well today, be well educated, have benefited from some kind of programs for descendants of slaves# you could even be president of Earth today and that does not change a bit from the fact that your ancestors were historically marginalized. You can't do anything about that since they're dead. So beware of phrasings like "historically marginalized" because it is a power grab and a grift, a ratchet that only turns in one direction (left).
Thank you Janice and Lawrence (first time I'm hearing about you and your channel) for this conversation.
this was fantastic
1:37:10 feminism is about power gathering via politics , not economics
This conversation would’ve been better with an opposing viewpoint.
“Equity-deserving”
Wow. I had to stop the video for a moment of reflection on that turn of phrase. I’ve never heard that before. And now it’s going to be one of my weapons. As Janice implied, there is perhaps not a better illustration of the hypocrisy, the absurdity, the inanity of this whole line of argument. The second word in this two word phrase completely ignores and negates the very definition of the first. That is pure insanity.
The woman speaking in this video is not a feminist.
Concerning how to reject proposals (1:03:30): This is the loveliest rejection I know,
from Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing:
"BEATRICE.
Good Lord, for alliance! Thus goes every one to the world but I, and I
am sunburnt. I may sit in a corner and cry heigh-ho for a husband!
DON PEDRO.
Lady Beatrice, I will get you one.
BEATRICE.
I would rather have one of your father's getting. Hath your Grace ne'er
a brother like you? Your father got excellent husbands, if a maid could
come by them.
DON PEDRO.
Will you have me, lady?
BEATRICE.
No, my lord, unless I might have another for working days: your Grace
is too costly to wear every day. But, I beseech your Grace, pardon me;
I was born to speak all mirth and no matter."
It isn't feminism. It's called womanism, now.
39:45 Yes! For God's sake, let her speak.
I disagree with one thing that Janice mentioned that men have always tried to alleviate the pain in childbirth for women. It was my understanding that pain relief was withheld from women because of the the Genesis account in the Bible and viewed as a "punishment" for all women.
I think I recall a philosophical paper on the pain of childbirth. However the reality is that Queen Victoria was on the throne and giving birth to multiple children. Victoria used cloroform in child birth, and advocated for it's use.