For those who remember just how much advertising Alain Silberstien used to do in the late 90s and early 2000s, it's amazing how rare these watches are. I remember wondering who was actually buying them, and as it turns out, almost nobody 😅
It requires intricate skills to disassemble this watch, let alone servicing it. And Stian has loads of this skill. Beautiful watch with plethora of parts and serviced with deft hands. Thank you Stian for this wonderful video.
Holy hell, that watch sure is a chonker. It’s not my cup of tea, but I’m sure some people like it. Thanks for always bringing us some very interesting timepieces, Stian. Take care of yourself, and we'll see you in the next episode. Ta-ta!
I don't know what to say when it comes to my favorite chronograph movement. But I really do like to work with the old cam shifting Landeron's. The 48 family is a true legend.
It’s hard to imagine how these mechanical marvels are manufactured by hand on such a small scale and exact tolerances. Thank you for explaining how these things work and please continue to do so.
Very unique, not a brand I've come across before, but looks very complicated too, for what it is. My favourite mechanical chronograph is the ETA 7750, which I have in my Formex 4Speed in blue. love the watch, with its suspension mounted case! But another excellent, Knowledgeable and very interesting service from Stian. Keep up the excellent work and the editing of these videos!
Very interesting! Also the background information. One qualm about seeing this watch on the wrist: The bracelet doesn't harmonize with the general aesthetics of this timepiece. It needs something more playful. You've asked about our favourite chronographs: Of the ones in my collection it's a Citizen automatic flyback(!) from the 1970s. A chunky colourful thing almost as difficult to read as this Silberstein. And then there is a dream watch, which I hope to add to my collection still in this life. A Dubey & Schaldenbrand Index Mobile, hopefully with shock-protection and a black dial.
My favorite chronograph movement of all time has to be the F Piguet 1271. Yes it's a Hybrid Quartz Chronograph but the quality and attention to detail that went into that movement makes it best in class! It had a super smooth sweep (16 tics per second), and it had a column wheel actuated rattrapante complication. Definitely quite impressive. Ill eventually try to get my hands on one as they aren't the most common things around... Mainly used by Breitling as the Cal 69.
Most of my watches have Seiko NH35 movements, which can be had new for about $30, so whenever one of them conks out my plan is to buy a replacement movement and switch it out myself. You make a job like servicing this ridiculously complicated chronograph look easy, but I think switching out a movement is something even a mechanic like me has a reasonable shot at pulling off successfully.
To the guy I call Roy, thank you for another interesting video. You have a unique channel, and much is due to your personality. 👍🏾👍🏾 and the great watches.
Sweet. There is a LOT going on with that dial and hands. I guess that's why timing multiple events is for "rich" folks who can afford the rattrapante complication. A wonderful service video as always, Stian.
WOW, Stian. What a lot of pieces! I find it's uncomfortable to wear a watch that thick. It's like I have a death wish to bang it into door jambs and walls. A shirt or sweatshirt can't get over the thick case, and they weigh a lot more(seemingly) I think the dial devices are trick and fun. But the regular 7750 movement is thick enough. I got one in my Invicta Pro Diver! Rhodium plated with a display back! Thanks for a fun repair and clean!!❤❤ Best, Stephen
Very cool complication, and as usual, a fantastic video, Stian. I was so excited to see a new one from you this morning! Thanks for getting my day started off the right way!
Thank you Stian for this awesome video! Fantastic work as usual. My favorite chronograph mouvement is... the Casio A168. Don't get me wrong: I *love* mechanical watches, but from a usability point of view, it's just not worth the headache IMHO. Looks-wise, I love vintage Zenith and Longines chronographs.
Unbelievable! I just searched your channel yesterday for a split seconds or Rattrapante movement, because I recently decided I would like to get one. Then this morning I see that a new video has been uploaded, with exactly what I wanted. Crazy coincidence. Being a bit of an Omega Speedmaster fan, I’m looking into the 311.30.44.51.01.001. Being a limited edition, they’re a little hard to come by but I’m in no real hurry to speak of. Thanks for the timely upload!
I recently had my 1969 Omega Geneve (18K solid Gold) serviced for the first time since I inherited it from my grandfather many years ago. It was not working and had been in a drawer for many years. The service cost me a walloping $750 USD and though the watch is worth well over $1,000 it was a bit shocking (they said it needed parts that are expensive). The question I have is how often does the watch now need to be serviced? If it is too often it hardly seems worth it. The watch is stunning and looks amazing. Love your channel!
It really depends how often you use it and how well you take care of it. If you put it safely back in the drawer, I'd say you'll probably never need another service, especially if they've used synthetic oils for lubrication. I have Omegas from the 60s that were last serviced in the 70s and 80s, and they continue to run perfectly fine, but I rarely wear them and just keep them safe in my collection away from moisture etc. If you're winding and pulling the crown everyday, or wearing it outside in the rain, it's obviously more likely that you might break something or have water ingress.
Thank you for another fabulous video on a very special watch, dear Stian: 👌👍👏! Of all the chronographs you have serviced, I love the 1950’s Juvenia chronograph with the legendary Venus 175 movement best, though you have spoilt us for choice.
@@VintageWatchServices Dear Stian, Thank you for gracing me with another comment - 😊 - since you deserve all the praise! On another matter altogether: I recently came across your musings on your website and love them (with two caveats, more on that later). Why don't you publish them on UA-cam? I wanted to comment on their quality, but I am old and the hurdles to log in seem to high for me and most other people, since no-one has commented on their excellent quality ... Caveat one: Moonphase - I live in the city of Zürich and am very happy to have the Moonphase on my watches (it has actually been a deciding factor in most of my purchases). Why? Shortly before a full moon, people tend to get aggressive and behave in a stupid way. My watches therefore tell me when to be careful. Caveat two: Chronographs - as an ex-teacher I used my chronograph a lot to check on my own timing, i.e. you tell your students that they have 5mins to come up with their ideas on doors and windows. Or you have to shake a spray can for 3mins for it to work properly. Few people can get their timing right. And did you hear the sad news: Breitling bought the rights to the Universal Genève brand and are going to "revive" it? On the positive side, it is not Panerai, TAGHeuer, Hublot or IWC. Still, that is very little consolation 😩.
I like this one! I especially like that they blued the screws before machining them the contrast in colors of the cornflower blue heat treatment with the stainless machined slots and shoulders really pops. 👍👍
At the Arnold Schwarzenegger School of watchmaking it’s more about destructive tests than servicing so they don’t worry about the age of a watch if they had one of these on the bench I don’t think it would ever run again. What no trouble in paradise. Regards from New Zealand 🇳🇿
I don't recall you ever dropping a new video on a Sunday evening. This was a fascinating job and well worth it, but I'll have to watch the reassembly portion a few times later in the week to try to figure out how the rattrapante mechanism works. I have been told that one advantage of a vertical chronograph clutch is that it actually puts less strain on the movement to allow the chronograph second hand to run continuously, which is why the Seiko 6139 does not have a separate running seconds function. In any event, until the new time, be well, Stian.
Great video Stian! I don't like Alain Silberstein's design sensibility and would never buy or wear his watches but I respect him for making them! 😂😂😂 (That's a joke from Zoolander if you don't recognize it - Hansel / Sting) Stock movements with modules are a super interesting entry into movement design. As you probably know Dubois Dépraz does a lot of them. Interesting that the manufacturer wouldn't tell you. I see no reason for that, but that's exactly why watch repair ultimately leads to watchmaking skills, which is as it should be!
Alfred Rochat & Fils is the maker of the rattrapante module. It's a widely used addition to the 7750. Used I believe by Omega and IWC among others. I have one with a sterile dial in a much thinner case. Awesome watch movement.
I don't think this is an Alfred Rochat module? They made two different rattrapante modules but from what I know this is not one of those. I did in fact try to contact them for it but never received a response... Neither from la Joux-Perret, who is another usual suspect
Making note of two of your comments; First, your note on the cost of service now. Having had two watches and a clock serviced at a place for a sum much greater than the pieces cost me combined, I've become very shy in buying vintage watches sight-unseen. At least, until I get around to picking up tools to run the services myself. I'm even sitting on a '45 Elgin I paid US$30 until I can do the work myself. Second, your note on corporate greed. I still can't fathom how new watches can cost so much, yet offer so little. Such as how the JLC Master I found second-hand could be nearly twice as thick as my Seiko 6309, yet cost US$4000 vs the US$60 I paid for the Seiko. Actually, I suppose my gripe there is more how thick modern watches are. It makes no sense to me.
Great work again Stian. Fascinating complication, although not my favorite visual design. There is one annoying feature of the conventional ETA 7750 that I consider a glitch, not a feature. The hour counting wheel does not stop counting when you stop the chronograph, only when you reset it. I was thinking of experimenting with the triangular plastic stopper, to see if it can be modified to lock the wheel when the chronograph is paused, not only when it is reset. It may not be possible, but what are your thoughts?
Hello Lazslo, thanks for your comment! The 7750 does have a brake for the hour counter and should thus stop the hour counter when you pause the chronograph. There are a few reasons this fails, including the plastic brake either being worn or being of the old type without teeth, or the hole in the plate for the hour counter wheel might be worn. But if the hour counter in your watch does not stop when you pause the chrono, there is something wrong.
Favorite chronograph? That's like declaring a favorite child. I am especially interested in the Lemania 1350 variants made by Ebel as the Caliber 137 (and the 139 and 288 perpetual calendar chronograph), it's close cousin the Breguet 582 as used in the Type XX, and now as the UN-152 in the Ulysse Nardin Marine Chronograph. It's a variant of the old Omega 1040 as used in the Speedmaster Professional. The Lemania 1872 shared a lot of parts with it. But that's just collector interest for me--I'd love to own all those examples eventually (but a fantasy, I fear). The Zenith El Primero is hardly the very latest of chronographs, but the story of it is so awesome that one can't help by admire it. I have one in a Zenith Captain from maybe 2010 and an Ebel Chronograph like the one you serviced here. The rocking pinion clutch of the 7750 isn't as pretty as a lateral clutch, but it works better.
Thank you very much for the new and interesting video. I saw how you used a special plastic insert for the bottle with Fixodrop. Could you please tell me who the manufacturer is?
You might try Manuel @ Louis Erard, or maybe Max @ MB&F. Alain has done collabs with both, and I’d be willing to bet they know that rattrapante. I found others with the same case, chapter ring, and similar design dial except the ones I found had day/date at 3pm.
I wonder if the module was produced by Franck Muller/Watch Land. FM developed a module for the Valjoux 7750 in the early 1990s to create a ratteprante chronograph. It was also used by Girard Perregaux (who may have had a hand in it's production as well). The FM version is called the cal. 7000R.
@@VintageWatchServices I wish I knew how much one might cost, but I think your assumption is probably correct! 😂 Girard Perregaux used them in their rattrepante chronographs during the 90s and 2000s, and those were pricey models.
21:21 here you say it's a vertical clutch, but imho this is still a horizontal clutch, as the clutch action takes place in the horizontal plane because it's the top of that clutchwheel that interacts with the chronograph wheel. It's also a gear meshing clutch type whereas a vertical clutch is usually 2 plates that bind by friction (and thus have indefinate mesh/binding positions). Nice watch btw, I think it's styling is very unique (and a rattrapante is of course already very unique) Does it actually say 039/100 on the back of the case? (so for this model/colour/version a production run of only 100?). That is very exclusive. (imagine having certain version of a rolex daytona where only 100 would have been made and what that would be worth...)
I have noticed this on a few of your videos and thought I should comment - mainly because I would like to help, as a fan of the channel, rather than critique! At 08:44 - do you not worry that if that mainspring slips out of your grasp - the entire contents of the watch might end scattered/lost all over your workshop? Especially with some of the more rare/exotics you work on, this might truly be a disaster… I had a moment when rebuilding my VWBeetle engine years ago - when a valve spring slipped and the cotters vanished into oblivion… found the spring, but that was all. Put paid to getting the engine rebuilt and ready to go to work on Monday morning!
Thanks, Paul! Yes, I do worry about it, but really only once the mainspring is a few coils out, which is when I pull out back. And yes, that's from experience 😁
I had the very same stutter on seconds hand on Russian made Poljot chronograph. I was told that it is because one of the chronograph wheels was not perfectly circular and yes, i can get a new part, but no guarantee it will be any better, because, well, Russia. So, new wheel might definitely be a solution, but if you are unable to find manufacturer, prospect of making new wheel is... bad. So, Great job as always, some thing people just have to learn to live with.
I have never heard of Alain Silberstein until today. Certainly something different and possibly more interesting that your run of the mill Omega or whatever. I am kind of surprised at the moderate price considering this is a chronograph and a chronometer grade movement but there are some out there on ebay at a few thousand euro as you say. Interesting excuse for another watch as I cant justify another Omega ! I am still a beginner at watch servicing so anything with more than 3 hands, a date and an automatic wind is far too scary !
Wow, what a pretty movement.. as complex as it can it get i believe.. what is that most complex watch you worked on? Nice video again Stian!! - really learn a lot from you.. Thanks again.
You are quite correct Stian, not made by UN. I found some old technical documents on my computer where Jaquet Baume seems to be the maker. Greetings from Sweden!
@@JohanLeib Thanks for looking that up! And yes, that's what my research indicated also. Then they were bought by La Joux Perret some years back, I believe. And they never responded to my emails...
@@VintageWatchServicesSame conclusion but not much help unfortunately. The documents were dated to sometime back in 1994 well before LJP bought them to later be swallowed by an even bigger fish. Thanks again for this very nice content. The slow motion clips are great!
At 13:29 that's quite a provocative statement about the greed behind the modern mechanical watches. There's a conflict between people's minds and their "hearts", and rational thinking that mechanical is bad investment has been sidelined for the delusion and romance of craftsmanship. No-one today should ever think that they're buying something that will outlast them, that their offspring will want to carry these mechanical burdens into the future.
Oh yes, I meant to provoke reactions 😉 But it's sadly quite true. Mechanical watches are now really only about luxury, and the nature of luxury items is that owners are willing to pay more for them than they're realistically worth. Brands exploit that to make profits in a way they didn't back in the day. Which is probably just the way the world works, but the older you get, the more you dream of the "good old days"...
I have a caper in which you may be interested . I just watched an episode of the classic "Fraiser". I believe he was wearing a Cartier Tank. I would be cool to have someone like yourself spot or iD watches that folks are wearing in movies or shows. Just an idea
I agree with others that is a chunky watch and a great conversation piece but probably not for me. Great video though. I am more into the vintage style watches and about 10 years ago I got a 1970's watch on evil bay for £30GBP. It has recently begun periodically stopping and I guess it needs a service, I don't think anything is broken. I have been quoted between £150 and £180GBP for a service which is way more than it is worth. Are there any other options for me. I don't have the skills or tools to do the work myself. This must condemn a load of perfectly good watches to the trash.
£150 and £180 for a service is actually very low and if you get a good service for that price you should probably go for it, if the watch means anything to you. If it's all the same, then yeah... it's unfortunately how our society works these days 😔
I have a 1990 OMEGA Dynamic automatic chronograph. Do you think it's worth getting it serviced? It has been sitting in a drawer for over 25 years and now runs very slow.
I have found the Swiss headoffices are unexcited about enthusasts of their watches and providing any added information - all rather sad. 🙁 Favourite chronograph movement would be 7750, but with a vertical clutch to allow continuous activation without much wear.
72c movement is my personal favourite, but unfortunately, way beyond my finances allow, I have a breitling, and a vintage chronograph with the landeron movement,
But manufacturers do not charge per part replaced at service. They usually charge a flat fee. The only items which will attract extra charges would be the crystal, the crown and pushers if made from precious metals.
Как дизайнерский объект, часы ОК. А как точный механизм, полный шлак. Мы даже пари делали, через сколько дней после продажи клиент принесет их в ремонт.
@@VintageWatchServices Interesting, I saw a number of these for sale around 2010 on chrono24 with the same seller, in their description they said Asian 7750, I did questioned that and the chap was adamant. I thought it was a bit odd!
Super work Stian. I must say I've no idea why this kind of watch didn't sell better 😂😂😂
For those who remember just how much advertising Alain Silberstien used to do in the late 90s and early 2000s, it's amazing how rare these watches are. I remember wondering who was actually buying them, and as it turns out, almost nobody 😅
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Wow. What a cool complication. Never seen it before. Favourite chrono movement? ST1901; the one that I can actually afford!!
I've never seen a split second Chrono. Thanks for sharing it.
Any time!
It requires intricate skills to disassemble this watch, let alone servicing it. And Stian has loads of this skill. Beautiful watch with plethora of parts and serviced with deft hands. Thank you Stian for this wonderful video.
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Holy hell, that watch sure is a chonker. It’s not my cup of tea, but I’m sure some people like it. Thanks for always bringing us some very interesting timepieces, Stian. Take care of yourself, and we'll see you in the next episode. Ta-ta!
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I don't know what to say when it comes to my favorite chronograph movement. But I really do like to work with the old cam shifting Landeron's. The 48 family is a true legend.
They are!
It’s hard to imagine how these mechanical marvels are manufactured by hand on such a small scale and exact tolerances. Thank you for explaining how these things work and please continue to do so.
Thanks for watching!
Retropunk, retropunk, retropunk,... retropunk. Got it!
Very unique, not a brand I've come across before, but looks very complicated too, for what it is. My favourite mechanical chronograph is the ETA 7750, which I have in my Formex 4Speed in blue. love the watch, with its suspension mounted case! But another excellent, Knowledgeable and very interesting service from Stian. Keep up the excellent work and the editing of these videos!
Thanks so much!
Favorite chronograph has to be the Valjoux 72 (or 727) for me. So many iconic watches had the 72.
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Thanks for sharing your time, skill and the watch with us.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for an entertaining video of servicing a very unusual watch
oh man this is craaaazyy. This is my favorite style complication in a watch. Very cool to see . Thank you for the post!
Glad you like it!
I truly enjoy your work and attention to detail. Sorry to hear of the loss of Data, that is never good!
Thank you very much!
Very interesting! Also the background information. One qualm about seeing this watch on the wrist: The bracelet doesn't harmonize with the general aesthetics of this timepiece. It needs something more playful.
You've asked about our favourite chronographs: Of the ones in my collection it's a Citizen automatic flyback(!) from the 1970s. A chunky colourful thing almost as difficult to read as this Silberstein. And then there is a dream watch, which I hope to add to my collection still in this life. A Dubey & Schaldenbrand Index Mobile, hopefully with shock-protection and a black dial.
Cool choices! There are so many overlooked Citizen watches, I'll do a very cool one on the channel in a couple of months 😉
My favorite chronograph movement of all time has to be the F Piguet 1271. Yes it's a Hybrid Quartz Chronograph but the quality and attention to detail that went into that movement makes it best in class! It had a super smooth sweep (16 tics per second), and it had a column wheel actuated rattrapante complication. Definitely quite impressive. Ill eventually try to get my hands on one as they aren't the most common things around... Mainly used by Breitling as the Cal 69.
Most of my watches have Seiko NH35 movements, which can be had new for about $30, so whenever one of them conks out my plan is to buy a replacement movement and switch it out myself. You make a job like servicing this ridiculously complicated chronograph look easy, but I think switching out a movement is something even a mechanic like me has a reasonable shot at pulling off successfully.
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Thanks Stian! I remember when this watch first came out. Cool feature.
Very cool!
To the guy I call Roy, thank you for another interesting video. You have a unique channel, and much is due to your personality. 👍🏾👍🏾 and the great watches.
Wow, thanks, Anatoly!
Brilliant video as allways...my personal favorate chronograph movement is the seiko 7a 28.😂😂
Sweet. There is a LOT going on with that dial and hands. I guess that's why timing multiple events is for "rich" folks who can afford the rattrapante complication. A wonderful service video as always, Stian.
Thanks, Clay! 😊
WOW, Stian. What a lot of pieces! I find it's uncomfortable to wear a watch that thick. It's like I have a death wish to bang it into door jambs and walls. A shirt or sweatshirt can't get over the thick case, and they weigh a lot more(seemingly) I think the dial devices are trick and fun. But the regular 7750 movement is thick enough. I got one in my Invicta Pro Diver! Rhodium plated with a display back! Thanks for a fun repair and clean!!❤❤ Best, Stephen
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Very cool complication, and as usual, a fantastic video, Stian. I was so excited to see a new one from you this morning! Thanks for getting my day started off the right way!
Glad you liked it!
Thank you Stian for this awesome video! Fantastic work as usual.
My favorite chronograph mouvement is... the Casio A168.
Don't get me wrong: I *love* mechanical watches, but from a usability point of view, it's just not worth the headache IMHO.
Looks-wise, I love vintage Zenith and Longines chronographs.
Pierre-Yves, est ce-que tu joues la harpe celtique? Si oui, bonjour collègue!
@@JochenVogel bonjour
Pas du tout ! En revanche, j'adore l'Irlande, d'où cette harpe. :-)
Unbelievable! I just searched your channel yesterday for a split seconds or Rattrapante movement, because I recently decided I would like to get one. Then this morning I see that a new video has been uploaded, with exactly what I wanted. Crazy coincidence.
Being a bit of an Omega Speedmaster fan, I’m looking into the 311.30.44.51.01.001. Being a limited edition, they’re a little hard to come by but I’m in no real hurry to speak of.
Thanks for the timely upload!
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@@VintageWatchServices - Good “timing” then 😁👍
HaHa! I see what you did there. 😉⌚👌
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Thicker! It needs to be thicker! Jeez what a wrist elephant lol 🤣
I recently had my 1969 Omega Geneve (18K solid Gold) serviced for the first time since I inherited it from my grandfather many years ago. It was not working and had been in a drawer for many years. The service cost me a walloping $750 USD and though the watch is worth well over $1,000 it was a bit shocking (they said it needed parts that are expensive). The question I have is how often does the watch now need to be serviced? If it is too often it hardly seems worth it. The watch is stunning and looks amazing. Love your channel!
It really depends how often you use it and how well you take care of it. If you put it safely back in the drawer, I'd say you'll probably never need another service, especially if they've used synthetic oils for lubrication. I have Omegas from the 60s that were last serviced in the 70s and 80s, and they continue to run perfectly fine, but I rarely wear them and just keep them safe in my collection away from moisture etc. If you're winding and pulling the crown everyday, or wearing it outside in the rain, it's obviously more likely that you might break something or have water ingress.
@@jan_de_witt Right now I wear it every day. But as it's an automatic I do not need to wind it. It's very beautiful.
Thank you for another fabulous video on a very special watch, dear Stian: 👌👍👏! Of all the chronographs you have serviced, I love the 1950’s Juvenia chronograph with the legendary Venus 175 movement best, though you have spoilt us for choice.
Thanks, Yves 😊
@@VintageWatchServices Dear Stian, Thank you for gracing me with another comment - 😊 - since you deserve all the praise!
On another matter altogether: I recently came across your musings on your website and love them (with two caveats, more on that later). Why don't you publish them on UA-cam? I wanted to comment on their quality, but I am old and the hurdles to log in seem to high for me and most other people, since no-one has commented on their excellent quality ...
Caveat one: Moonphase - I live in the city of Zürich and am very happy to have the Moonphase on my watches (it has actually been a deciding factor in most of my purchases). Why? Shortly before a full moon, people tend to get aggressive and behave in a stupid way. My watches therefore tell me when to be careful.
Caveat two: Chronographs - as an ex-teacher I used my chronograph a lot to check on my own timing, i.e. you tell your students that they have 5mins to come up with their ideas on doors and windows. Or you have to shake a spray can for 3mins for it to work properly. Few people can get their timing right.
And did you hear the sad news: Breitling bought the rights to the Universal Genève brand and are going to "revive" it? On the positive side, it is not Panerai, TAGHeuer, Hublot or IWC. Still, that is very little consolation 😩.
I like this one! I especially like that they blued the screws before machining them the contrast in colors of the cornflower blue heat treatment with the stainless machined slots and shoulders really pops. 👍👍
It's a nice movement!
My favourite chronograph movement is the Lemania 5100, because it's in my Sinn 157 Titanium. 🙂
There truly is one born every minute.
At the Arnold Schwarzenegger School of watchmaking it’s more about destructive tests than servicing so they don’t worry about the age of a watch if they had one of these on the bench I don’t think it would ever run again. What no trouble in paradise. Regards from New Zealand 🇳🇿
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loveee this movment 👋ta taaa
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I don't recall you ever dropping a new video on a Sunday evening. This was a fascinating job and well worth it, but I'll have to watch the reassembly portion a few times later in the week to try to figure out how the rattrapante mechanism works. I have been told that one advantage of a vertical chronograph clutch is that it actually puts less strain on the movement to allow the chronograph second hand to run continuously, which is why the Seiko 6139 does not have a separate running seconds function. In any event, until the new time, be well, Stian.
Thanks, Bullnose! This is in fact a horizontal clutch with an oscillating pinion, I misspoke in the video....
I love this one!
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Great job as always.
Thanks again!
Great video Stian! I don't like Alain Silberstein's design sensibility and would never buy or wear his watches but I respect him for making them! 😂😂😂 (That's a joke from Zoolander if you don't recognize it - Hansel / Sting) Stock movements with modules are a super interesting entry into movement design. As you probably know Dubois Dépraz does a lot of them. Interesting that the manufacturer wouldn't tell you. I see no reason for that, but that's exactly why watch repair ultimately leads to watchmaking skills, which is as it should be!
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Alfred Rochat & Fils is the maker of the rattrapante module. It's a widely used addition to the 7750. Used I believe by Omega and IWC among others.
I have one with a sterile dial in a much thinner case. Awesome watch movement.
I don't think this is an Alfred Rochat module? They made two different rattrapante modules but from what I know this is not one of those. I did in fact try to contact them for it but never received a response... Neither from la Joux-Perret, who is another usual suspect
The Seiko vk64 mecaquartz chronographs are amazing pieces for the money spent. My mechanical chronograph is a Selitta 510 based on the 7750. Ta-ta.
I think it's from Russia if my memory serves me right. Correct me if I am wrong. It's an incredible piece of engineering. Very thick and heavy.
Making note of two of your comments;
First, your note on the cost of service now. Having had two watches and a clock serviced at a place for a sum much greater than the pieces cost me combined, I've become very shy in buying vintage watches sight-unseen. At least, until I get around to picking up tools to run the services myself. I'm even sitting on a '45 Elgin I paid US$30 until I can do the work myself.
Second, your note on corporate greed. I still can't fathom how new watches can cost so much, yet offer so little. Such as how the JLC Master I found second-hand could be nearly twice as thick as my Seiko 6309, yet cost US$4000 vs the US$60 I paid for the Seiko. Actually, I suppose my gripe there is more how thick modern watches are. It makes no sense to me.
I really have fallen in love with the Seiko 6138/9 chronographs.
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Thanks for the new video. Man, that looks complicated, and not very pretty-but I thoroughly enjoyed your journey through it.
It’s an hugly watch. I have two IWC Doppelchronograph.
Great work again Stian. Fascinating complication, although not my favorite visual design. There is one annoying feature of the conventional ETA 7750 that I consider a glitch, not a feature. The hour counting wheel does not stop counting when you stop the chronograph, only when you reset it. I was thinking of experimenting with the triangular plastic stopper, to see if it can be modified to lock the wheel when the chronograph is paused, not only when it is reset. It may not be possible, but what are your thoughts?
Hello Lazslo, thanks for your comment! The 7750 does have a brake for the hour counter and should thus stop the hour counter when you pause the chronograph. There are a few reasons this fails, including the plastic brake either being worn or being of the old type without teeth, or the hole in the plate for the hour counter wheel might be worn. But if the hour counter in your watch does not stop when you pause the chrono, there is something wrong.
Favorite chronograph? That's like declaring a favorite child. I am especially interested in the Lemania 1350 variants made by Ebel as the Caliber 137 (and the 139 and 288 perpetual calendar chronograph), it's close cousin the Breguet 582 as used in the Type XX, and now as the UN-152 in the Ulysse Nardin Marine Chronograph. It's a variant of the old Omega 1040 as used in the Speedmaster Professional. The Lemania 1872 shared a lot of parts with it. But that's just collector interest for me--I'd love to own all those examples eventually (but a fantasy, I fear). The Zenith El Primero is hardly the very latest of chronographs, but the story of it is so awesome that one can't help by admire it. I have one in a Zenith Captain from maybe 2010 and an Ebel Chronograph like the one you serviced here. The rocking pinion clutch of the 7750 isn't as pretty as a lateral clutch, but it works better.
Seems you have a few favorite children! 😁
Thank you very much for the new and interesting video. I saw how you used a special plastic insert for the bottle with Fixodrop. Could you please tell me who the manufacturer is?
I don't actually know, but you can get the bottles at cousinsUK or other material houses
You might try Manuel @ Louis Erard, or maybe Max @ MB&F. Alain has done collabs with both, and I’d be willing to bet they know that rattrapante. I found others with the same case, chapter ring, and similar design dial except the ones I found had day/date at 3pm.
Thanks for the tip!
Great. Beautiful watch. 4-5k is an enormous pile of money for bottom feeders like me.
Oh yes, it's a big chunk of money, my point was that it's comparatively cheap for a rattrapante :)
I wonder if the module was produced by Franck Muller/Watch Land. FM developed a module for the Valjoux 7750 in the early 1990s to create a ratteprante chronograph. It was also used by Girard Perregaux (who may have had a hand in it's production as well). The FM version is called the cal. 7000R.
Thanks for the tip! I would assume FM modules would be very expensive?
@@VintageWatchServices I wish I knew how much one might cost, but I think your assumption is probably correct! 😂 Girard Perregaux used them in their rattrepante chronographs during the 90s and 2000s, and those were pricey models.
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'What's a TV dad?'
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21:21 here you say it's a vertical clutch, but imho this is still a horizontal clutch, as the clutch action takes place in the horizontal plane because it's the top of that clutchwheel that interacts with the chronograph wheel. It's also a gear meshing clutch type whereas a vertical clutch is usually 2 plates that bind by friction (and thus have indefinate mesh/binding positions).
Nice watch btw, I think it's styling is very unique (and a rattrapante is of course already very unique)
Does it actually say 039/100 on the back of the case? (so for this model/colour/version a production run of only 100?). That is very exclusive. (imagine having certain version of a rolex daytona where only 100 would have been made and what that would be worth...)
Yes, I should probably be more precise, it's an oscillating pinion but indeed a horizontal clutch
I have noticed this on a few of your videos and thought I should comment - mainly because I would like to help, as a fan of the channel, rather than critique! At 08:44 - do you not worry that if that mainspring slips out of your grasp - the entire contents of the watch might end scattered/lost all over your workshop? Especially with some of the more rare/exotics you work on, this might truly be a disaster…
I had a moment when rebuilding my VWBeetle engine years ago - when a valve spring slipped and the cotters vanished into oblivion… found the spring, but that was all. Put paid to getting the engine rebuilt and ready to go to work on Monday morning!
Thanks, Paul! Yes, I do worry about it, but really only once the mainspring is a few coils out, which is when I pull out back. And yes, that's from experience 😁
Cool complications, but the Edward Scissorhands visual design is something I could never put on my wrist.
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I had the very same stutter on seconds hand on Russian made Poljot chronograph. I was told that it is because one of the chronograph wheels was not perfectly circular and yes, i can get a new part, but no guarantee it will be any better, because, well, Russia. So, new wheel might definitely be a solution, but if you are unable to find manufacturer, prospect of making new wheel is... bad. So, Great job as always, some thing people just have to learn to live with.
Thanks! Yes, the stutter might be because the wheel isn't completely true and it's difficult to find a replacement...
Remarquable explication sur un système mécanique des plus ardus, en horlogerie !
Merci beaucoup ! 😊
I have never heard of Alain Silberstein until today. Certainly something different and possibly more interesting that your run of the mill Omega or whatever. I am kind of surprised at the moderate price considering this is a chronograph and a chronometer grade movement but there are some out there on ebay at a few thousand euro as you say. Interesting excuse for another watch as I cant justify another Omega ! I am still a beginner at watch servicing so anything with more than 3 hands, a date and an automatic wind is far too scary !
Yes, they're surprisingly affordable indeed!
If Ronald McDonald owned a watch, sprung to my mind, it’s unusual that’s for sure.
I've got a landeron 149 that is really good but the mainspring just snaped so when I get better at tinkering that will be my first crono service
Good luck!
Wow, what a pretty movement.. as complex as it can it get i believe.. what is that most complex watch you worked on? Nice video again Stian!! - really learn a lot from you.. Thanks again.
This might be the most complicated one so far
@@VintageWatchServices Thanks!
How... how thick is that watch?!?
Hello Stian! Great video as always. This is a great follow up to the flyback video.
Wasn't this module made by Ulysse Nardin many years ago?
Thanks, Johan! I don't think this was made by UN, but I might be wrong
You are quite correct Stian, not made by UN. I found some old technical documents on my computer where Jaquet Baume seems to be the maker.
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@@JohanLeib Thanks for looking that up! And yes, that's what my research indicated also. Then they were bought by La Joux Perret some years back, I believe. And they never responded to my emails...
@@VintageWatchServicesSame conclusion but not much help unfortunately. The documents were dated to sometime back in 1994 well before LJP bought them to later be swallowed by an even bigger fish. Thanks again for this very nice content. The slow motion clips are great!
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At 13:29 that's quite a provocative statement about the greed behind the modern mechanical watches. There's a conflict between people's minds and their "hearts", and rational thinking that mechanical is bad investment has been sidelined for the delusion and romance of craftsmanship. No-one today should ever think that they're buying something that will outlast them, that their offspring will want to carry these mechanical burdens into the future.
Oh yes, I meant to provoke reactions 😉 But it's sadly quite true. Mechanical watches are now really only about luxury, and the nature of luxury items is that owners are willing to pay more for them than they're realistically worth. Brands exploit that to make profits in a way they didn't back in the day. Which is probably just the way the world works, but the older you get, the more you dream of the "good old days"...
Haha, the expression "no tv for you today" is a dead on tell that you actually are old. These days it's "no mobile phone for you today". ;)
Yep, "no screens" would be more appropriate 😉
I have a caper in which you may be interested .
I just watched an episode of the classic "Fraiser". I believe he was wearing a Cartier Tank.
I would be cool to have someone like yourself spot or iD watches that folks are wearing in movies or shows.
Just an idea
My favorite chronograph movement is the omega 321
Ultimate chronograph movement bar none: ALS Caliber L951 (Philippe Dufour agrees)
The chronograph movement I prefer is the Omega 321 because it looks nice. The 7750 looks badly finished.
My fav is OMEGA Master Chronometer Calibre 9900:)
A beauty!
@@VintageWatchServices Though maybe no vintage enough!
1:45 I think my face tattoo of a plate of roesti is a more reliable conversation starter.
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When I saw this watch I was thinking of Mickey Mouse 😂 But all the functions is very interesting though.
I agree with others that is a chunky watch and a great conversation piece but probably not for me. Great video though. I am more into the vintage style watches and about 10 years ago I got a 1970's watch on evil bay for £30GBP. It has recently begun periodically stopping and I guess it needs a service, I don't think anything is broken. I have been quoted between £150 and £180GBP for a service which is way more than it is worth. Are there any other options for me. I don't have the skills or tools to do the work myself. This must condemn a load of perfectly good watches to the trash.
£150 and £180 for a service is actually very low and if you get a good service for that price you should probably go for it, if the watch means anything to you. If it's all the same, then yeah... it's unfortunately how our society works these days 😔
Could the rattrapante module be from Dubois-Depraz ?
Nope, it's not from them, unfortunately
14:34 - Planned Obsolescence.
Just freaky! Trying to imagine how the individual chrono hands are reset makes my brain hurt.
I have a 1990 OMEGA Dynamic automatic chronograph. Do you think it's worth getting it serviced? It has been sitting in a drawer for over 25 years and now runs very slow.
Oh yes, that's absolutely a watch worth servicing! I might be able to do that for you, you can contact me at info@vintagewatchservices.eu if you like
I have found the Swiss headoffices are unexcited about enthusasts of their watches and providing any added information - all rather sad. 🙁 Favourite chronograph movement would be 7750, but with a vertical clutch to allow continuous activation without much wear.
72c movement is my personal favourite, but unfortunately, way beyond my finances allow, I have a breitling, and a vintage chronograph with the landeron movement,
The 72c is a wonderful movement but watches with them are indeed getting crazy expensive...
Wow i did not know that it had a column wheel.
For the rattrapante, yes
Any chance of doing a Longines 13ZN in the Future?
If one comes across my bench 😉
Kinda like a clock on the wrist..... My choice of chronograph is the Omega 321
But manufacturers do not charge per part replaced at service. They usually charge a flat fee. The only items which will attract extra charges would be the crystal, the crown and pushers if made from precious metals.
Maybe Schwarz Etienne made the Rattrapante module, but that is only a guess.
How do you tall the time on this to much going on 😢
Her er det vintage IWC på gang (forhåpentligvis da). Cal 88. Driver og dealer om pris nå.
Nice!
What is the hand at the bottom telling us? It goes from + to -.
It's the power reserve indicator
It seems as though you're going to have to make a Rumplestiltskin wheel to replace that one.
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Stian: - no TV for you today!
kids, opening tiktok on their tablets/phones: - ok boomer
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15:00 - so... It's probably not worth it to get my $100 Seiko from '71 serviced then? ;D
How much do you like it? Do you plan to sell it? That’s all that matters.
@@johnsrabe oh, i love it. :D
@@yorgle There’s a guy in La Cañada who is happy to do it for you.
Interesting watch but it is so thick you need a step stool to read it.
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Did Fisher Price ever do a chronograph? 😆😆
The 7750 is a workhorse but its plates look fairly badly finished. Would the IWC Doppelchronograph 7750 be finished the same way = extremely crude…
Omg 16 TB lost? Please tell me you didn't lose the watch-hunting moose episode!
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i lost another screw today...
Как дизайнерский объект, часы ОК. А как точный механизм, полный шлак. Мы даже пари делали, через сколько дней после продажи клиент принесет их в ремонт.
Interesting! So you sold these?
@@VintageWatchServices Да, и много. Одно время в России они были очень популярны.
It’s a second second-hand seconds hand
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Far too Christmassy ugly for me. That watch belongs in a kindy!
I believe they use an Asian clone 7750.
Nope
@@VintageWatchServices Interesting, I saw a number of these for sale around 2010 on chrono24 with the same seller, in their description they said Asian 7750, I did questioned that and the chap was adamant. I thought it was a bit odd!
That gets my vote for the worlds ugliest watch. I don't care if it has two seconds hands!
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