So I think the HD version of the video hasn't processed yet.. Thanks UA-cam! If you're early it may be a little grainy for which you have my apologies!
AKSHUALLY... the name of León doesn´t come from the animal, it is a corruption of the name of a Roman camp in the area, Legio VII Gemina. Extra pedantry bonus: if a coat of arms represents the name of the place, they are called "canting arms" or "rebus."
@ჶ Troopa3xd ჶ We agree, it does mean lion. But the origin of the name is not that. They have a lion in reference to the name, which itself is a corruption of "Legio." Más claro, agua
Hay un sitio cerca de donde vivo que se llama "Helmond". Se le puso ese nombre en referencia al sitio donde está (viene a significar "entrada a un lugar seguro"). Pero, como contiene la palabra "helm" (casco), la bandera presenta un casco. Más o menos el mismo proceso: nombre original-corrupción-bandera.
I'm Spanish and it is so fucking sad that some guy on the internet who makes content in English is able to explain this matter way too many times better and more accurately and objectively than all media in Spain.
I want to clarify some things. In the Spanish War of Succession it wasn't just Catalonia that sided with the Austrias, but the entirety of the Crown of Aragon (that being the Kingdom of Aragon, the Principality of Catalonia, the Kingdom of Valencia and the Kingdom of Majorca, as well as its territories outside of modern Spain which were lost after the war) and the Nueva Planta decrees were imposed on all of it, banning not only Catalan but also Aragonese and abolishing the Crown of Aragon along with the fueros, or laws, of its regions and imposing Castilian language and law instead.
23:05 Today it's actually the other way around. The rural areas are more keen to independence and the big cities (mostly Barcelona) are skeptical about it. That has to do with the great cultural diversity and the dependence on trade and business of the big metropolis
@@aguspuig6615 Just because the demonstrations are there doesn't mean the majority of the local population is in support of independence. In fact the majority of the barcelonian population is opposed to independence. The reason so many demonstrations are there is beacause of the fact that it is the regional capital and people from rural areas go there to demonstrate.
Yes, Barcelona is quite diverse, but the pro-independence movement is quite strong there. Now, the suburbs where most of the Spanish workers live, are strongholds for the pro-Spanish voters and also the far right (VOX, Ciudadanos and PP) Anyway, there is quite an interesting situation also happening there... ERC and CUP keep on gaining terrain. Many new pro-independence voters are Spanish-speaking and non-Catalan.
The 80s were hard years for Basque people and Spain in general, those were the times when ETA made almost one attack a week, and people was afraid of everything. On the other hand, the Spanish government take radical measures such as torture or State terrorism (GAL groups). It's still a controversial topic because for example right now there are some ex-terrorists from ETA in a political party called BILDU, that has representation in Spanish parlament and even the government make some accords with them
@@SultanAymen the original basque nationalism was racist, that's true, but nowadays, that aspect has practically disappeared. Basques are no more racist than any other europeans. In fact, there is a lot of solidarity towards palestinians and saharawis.
I must say, being there, that "mossos d'esquadra" did certainly not just stand by, in fact, they closed more polling stations than both national police and Guardia Civil combined, albeit with far less violence. There is also an error as Jose Miguel arenas doesn't come from Catalonia, he is from Mallorca. Finally PSOE although somewhat opened to pacts on some issues with pro-independence parties, is absolutely opposed to independence and any form of consultation on the matter.
En el juicio quedó demostrado que los centros de votación que cerraron los Mossos fue después de dejar votar con normalidad (en contra de la orden del juez) y después del recuento, viéndose incluso imágenes de mossos de uniforme custodiando las cajas con los sobres. La policía y la guardia civil intentaron cumplir las órdenes y claro, eso creó conflicto, porque había gente que se quería saltar la ley.
@@hullie7529 Igual la violencia nunca es la solucion... Pero bah no importa porque al final acabaremos todos dandonos ostias discutiendo el sexo de los angeles...
@@hullie7529 En ese mismo juicio se absolvio a la cúpula de los mosos así que cumplieron con sus ordenes. No hay imágenes de mossos custodiando urnas si no retirandolas. Por otra parte la orden judicial que ordenaba "Cerrar los centros sin alterar la normal convivencia" de forma que quien realmente cumplió el mandato fueron los mossos i no la guardia civil y policia nacional quienes ademas se negaron a coordinar el operativo y compartir informacion. Eso sin entrar en la legitimidad de impedir el libre derecho de manifestacion pacífica y de expresión de la ciudadania", cabe recordar que la convocatoria de referendums está además explícitamente despenalizada en la legislación española.
@@Ethan-qo9rx I heard a lot of English speaking people say “some” when something is a majority, and i’m not talking only about independence movements, also things as basic as lemons and oranges
Just to clarify, Valtònyc is not Catalan, he's from Mallorca in the Balearic Islands. He sings in Catalan since we also speak Catalan here. ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valt%C3%B2nyc
Yo pensaba que en las Baleares se hablaba mallorquín, al menos así me lo enseñaron en el colegio. Me sorprende cómo mucha gente de Baleares está tan dispuesta a que se pierda su identidad por hacer seguidismo a los catalanistas. En este caso España defiende la diversidad cultural de sus regiones frente a la uniformidad unitaria del catalanismo.
Insults against the crown is indeed a crime in Spain(shouldn't, but it is) but its only punished with a fine. So anyone that says that they emprisoned him beacuse of these tweets against the crown is either wrong or being cynical. You re not to blame though,as there's a huge confusion about that same subject right here in Spain. I like your videos preety much, keep it up!
Aqui es donde te equivocas supongo que sabesque en el codigo penal penas inferiores a 2 años de prision no entras a prision pero si tienes diferentes condenas, que casi toda condena de multa va de acuerdo a una de prision multa de 3 meses a 20€ al dia por ejemplo pero son 3 meses. En este caso la ultima condena por injurias supera el cumulo de sus condenas por encima de lso años i por eso la prision de los 2 años i medio de prision creo que casi 2 son por 3 condenas diferentes por sus tuits i canciones, o sea si esta a prision por decidir que los borbones son unos ladrones, cosa que es verdad corroborado por el fisco por la ultima regularicacion del emerito con el fisco.
Let me correct you, he has been imprisoned solely because of tweets and songs. The prison (+ €30k) sentence is for "glorification of terrorism" and "insults to the royal crown", "crimes" that have consisted on tweets and songs only. The rest of the issues he's been on trial for have been resolved in other manners. Review your sources. This is the same story of always with Spain, juditial warfare. A fascist power that never lost its strategic position after Franco's death. But they will fall, of course they will, along with the monarchy and the rest of the parasites of this fascist regime.
Some of the sentences for the crimes he committed before (assault, threats, etc...) were "suspended", others are pending. For the ones already judged, that means the punishment would not take effect if one does not misbehave and does not commit more crimes, felonies or whatever. He doubled down and now he faces a rolling snowball. He is NOT facing prison because of the offenses to the royal family (and please, the non Spanish readers understand that "offenses" here does not mean singing songs about the king being fat, ugly or stupid but more on the line of actually publicly stating he is a criminal and accusing him of whatever without any evidence. Under Spanish law this is actually a felony if you do so to anybody, be him a king or not. But when the crime is committed against the king, it is specially typified as the king is an institutional figure), he has actively and publicly showed support and sympathy for terrorist organisations. It is debatable if this should be considered a crime or not, but we cannot forget that the main advocates for the criminalisation of speech in Spain and outside Spain is actually the radical left. I can only see this as an act of poetic justice.
What if you don't want to pay the fine? What's the condemn then? Another fine? At the end of the day you can absolutely be imprisoned in Spain for insults against the crown.
@@jonathanm9069 As it is expected if you reject to pay any fine sentenced by the judge without any other reason that you do not want to do it. You are also given the chance of doing community work instead. The amount of the fine, in any case, is set according to your financial circumstances. Como ocurre si eventualmente te niegas a pagar cualquier multa impuesta por un juez sin más argumentos que no te da la gana de hacerlo. Se te da la opción de sustituir la pena por trabajo comunitario. La cantidad de la multa, en cualquier caso, se establece de acuerdo con tus posibilidades económicas. Artículo 53. 1. Si el condenado no satisficiere, voluntariamente o por vía de apremio, la multa impuesta, quedará sujeto a una responsabilidad personal subsidiaria de un día de privación de libertad por cada dos cuotas diarias no satisfechas, que, tratándose de delitos leves, podrá cumplirse mediante localización permanente. En este caso, no regirá la limitación que en su duración establece el apartado 1 del artículo 37. También podrá el juez o tribunal, previa conformidad del penado, acordar que la responsabilidad subsidiaria se cumpla mediante trabajos en beneficio de la comunidad. En este caso, cada día de privación de libertad equivaldrá a una jornada de trabajo. 2. En los supuestos de multa proporcional los Jueces y Tribunales establecerán, según su prudente arbitrio, la responsabilidad personal subsidiaria que proceda, que no podrá exceder, en ningún caso, de un año de duración. También podrá el Juez o Tribunal acordar, previa conformidad del penado, que se cumpla mediante trabajos en beneficio de la comunidad. 3. Esta responsabilidad subsidiaria no se impondrá a los condenados a pena privativa de libertad superior a cinco años. 4. El cumplimiento de la responsabilidad subsidiaria extingue la obligación de pago de la multa, aunque mejore la situación económica del penado. 5. Podrá ser fraccionado el pago de la multa impuesta a una persona jurídica, durante un período de hasta cinco años, cuando su cuantía ponga probadamente en peligro la supervivencia de aquélla o el mantenimiento de los puestos de trabajo existentes en la misma, o cuando lo aconseje el interés general. Si la persona jurídica condenada no satisficiere, voluntariamente o por vía de apremio, la multa impuesta en el plazo que se hubiere señalado, el Tribunal podrá acordar su intervención hasta el pago total de la misma.
Hell, I hear people talking about splitting up the USA. And I'm like, don't make me pull a Lincoln here. :D United we stand, Divided we fall. But I do agree in more autonomy for local states.
What Lincoln said about "United We Stand, Divided We Fall" is true for all countries, splitting into 2 or more different countries will only weaken both the secessionists and their country, only reason I see is a good reason to leave a country is that they are being heavily suppressed, like some people in China or corrupt Governments in Africa and South America
This video is a joke, almost as bad as the referendum... You do not mention that in the legal election the voting is 50% between unionists and separatists, how the referendum reaches 92%?? The referendum was a hoax, there was no census, so people could vote several times and some of the boxes were full of votes before the vote started... Another big lie is about Hazel, no one goes to jail to insult the crown... The maximum you can get is a fine. The guy is been condemned because he attacked a witness, he bleached the head of a journalist, but you were not capable to do a minimum research before publishing this video. Made a favour to yourself and get informed before preparing a video...
you forgot to mention the funniest bit , when their government said : yes we are independant ! only for them 8 SECONDS later say : "actually...that was a joke we arent..."
Just some notes as a catalan independence supporter myself, Pablo Hasél and the other rappers imprisoned are not really part of the independence movement, but some far left-wing antimonarchy movement. It's easy to get them mashed together because they're catalan but they don't have much in common apart from you know, being prosecuted by the same state. Another thing you forgot to mention about the Reaper's War, is that, after siding with the french in order to kick out the Spanish, the french army was sent to Catalonia and basically did even worse than the spanish soldiers, so they switched sides again, some say that they tried to remain independent but with enemies on all sides that was basically not possible so Spain recovered part of Catalonia while the french took the north (as part of the Treaty of Utrech which involved basically every single european monarchy at the time and also the reason Gibraltar is not part of Spain). Also, when Franco decided to industrialize Catalonia and send millions of spanish speaking workers there, he did so in purpose (and he wasn't the first to try to do so, as in the early 1800s there was also lots o migration from regions such as Andalusia and Murcia), so that the immigrants would dilude catalan national identity. While it is debatable if the move payed off, the percentage of native catalan speakers in Catalonia was certainly reduced from 80%+ to almost 40% now. Lastly, the PSOE is not wiling to negotiate anything about independence. They MAY, and this is also very unlikely, support some sort of autonomy reforms, but that is also not really plausible as the Spanish Constitution would need to be reformed (2/3rds of the Spanish Parliament votes needed and Catalan seats represent 48/350). The reality is they cannot allow Catalonia to go out of Spain, as the loss would most certainly bankrupt them, and so they will try to keep us United whatever the cost, and whatever the % of support for independence. Congrats on making such a nice video :D
I agree with most of the things you said (because they were facts) except when you said that Spain would become bankrupt where Catalonia to leave. I really don’t see how this is true, if anything it would be the other way around. Catalonia lately has served more as a destabilizing region more than anything else, it is possible that where Catalonia to leave, Spain might on the long run, end up more stable
@@xeroxsaw1303 yaa, a lot of facts but his conclusion wasn't supported by any. I'm afraid he's just been brainwashed. BTW that rapper has a lot of crimes and deserves prison.
@@xeroxsaw1303 Maybe not on the long run, same as Catalonia, but Catalonia is an economic powerhouse and almost the only connection Spain has to europe by land. Also If catalonia secedes vasques will probably follow them after a while.
@@alexdeharo9036 Well Catalonia’s position would be much worse. They would have lost many companies, they would be out of the EU and Spain would probably veto any attempt for the EU to join the EU, furthermore Catalonia would be very unstable since about half of the population would disagree with the decision to leave Spain, they would probably still have relatives in Spain. Also, pro-independence parties have made 0 plans as to what they would after seceding from Spain, and their day to day administration has been quite bad honestly, even while still being part of Spain. I frankly don’t see how Catalonia would be better off after independence
Its full of errors and pro-independece bias, like saying the last elections had a huge increase in pro independence, the shift was about 1% thats like 51% for independence, taking into account the vote turn over went down about a 40% cause COVID. Not to mention that he presented the 92% pro independence as a serious referendum and not the shit show bannana republic tier it was...
@@manumanitas161 Very well anti-catalan propaganda you got there bud, ciudadanos lost 30 places in the elections and every single one of the pro-independence gained places. Besides, it’s not 51% it’s 65%~ Which is a considerable number because there is only 3 pro-independence political parties
@@Didagg es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elecciones_al_Parlamento_de_Catalu%C3%B1a_de_2021 Okey so turnout: 53%, which means half of the population doesnt give a shit about this political non sense called voting. From that 53% dumb enough to go voting: If you sum up all the independentist parties you have 51%, PSC is not independentist I think thats clear, neither is Podemos which is pro referendum but is neutral with strong negative views on the isue in other parts of Spain, just like PSOE... So no its not propaganda is just data, I dont know where you get that 65% from anyways
@@aguspuig6615 Ha assaulted a member of a jury and a tv camera man. He also told his followers that they should kill cops and the royal family, thos is a call to action and not free speech
My mom’s aunt is from andalucia, she used to constantly change job if it paid a bit more, she was normally payed in pennies when se was young, everyone on her family had to work and lived in a marginal zone of barcelona, nowadays if tou go to her house she will stuff you with all kinds of foods and say you are too slim and have to eat more, very sweet.
I've been subscribed to you for a while, but for some reason the youtube algorithm seems to forget about your content for me and doesn't recommend it much. I'm always stunned by your videos. I have this kind of subconscious idea of history youtubers making animations with meh scripts and meh visuals trying to turn a dime (not an insult to them), but your stuff just blows almost all of that out of the water. Thanks for everything you do.
0:26 It's necessary to clarify that 2017 referendum of 1st of Octuber had a low participation and under age people was able to vote in that referendum (16 years old)
Quick correction, Pablo Hasel was charged with crimes of supporting terrorist groups such as ETA as well as death threats towards some people. For this he was sentenced to prison but ended up staying on probation. It was during his time on probation that he insulted the King and thus went to jail. Personally I feel like the law “Injurias contra la Corona” is frankly stupid and anti-democratic, but with that being said, Pablo Hasel has done things that do deserve jail time
Fundamentally, it is a Barcelona bourgeoisie that feels almost as strong as the Madrid bourgeoisie and wishes it could manage its businesses with less intervention from the Central State. That is, to make Catalonia its own playground without having to render accounts to Madrid or having to participate in the common Spanish expenses. But with the benefits of easy access to the Spanish market and the European Union.
No it's not about that we are one of the most profitable parts of Spain so that why Spain use us as a piggy bank to finance the hall of Spain because they are too lazy to work and need government grants/aids
@@omerjameel3524 Im all for independance should the majority call for it, call it my irish ancestory living through me, however making generalising sweeping statements doesnt help premote your cause brother.
@@omerjameel3524 the same argument could be used inside Catalonia with the "poor" rural provinces of Lleida/Girona... vs the rich and urban Barcelona and his minor cities. Are the people of Lleida lazy and fools?
Very interesting video indeed. I would only like to clarify that Hasel (the singer who got arrested and is now in jail) has not been arrested just because of his lyrics and the comments about the monarchy. He already has a criminall record of two aggressions, one to a journalist and another one to a witness in a trial .
Similar stuff happens here in Chile, when criminals, and I'm talking about true criminals, the kind that murders, robs people with extreme violence and set shit on fire, get arrested or even shot by the police, people go out protesting claiming abuse of power. It's ridiculous.
@@billycorgan3934 Valtonic encouraged people to go to kill Guardias Civiles on a stage after a concert...., apparently it should be legal..., tocate los huevos...
It's funny how you keep bringing examples of Catalonia trying to declare independence and for all of them go like "yeah but this doesn't mean they wanted to be independent eh they just didnt want anything to do with Spain"
@20:53 Loved getting to know the history on Catalonia, but as you state yourself.... loads of time is put into this creation. Personally I would love to see a 'slower' explanation in several parts. In this way you might even be able to shed some light on certain events, which are now related (ie linkend) to other creations which I haven't seen jet (or I can't, for this creation takes 34 minutes to watch in the first place) Keep up the good work by the way, love what you create!
I've been living here for 20 years but I'm not even European, so I hope I'm not too biased on this: I can tell you that the independist movement wasn't even that big until recently, just a few outcasts wanted it. You can make all these historical points but actually very few people cared about independence 10 years ago. It exploded on the media when they discovered corruption schemes by a group of key Catalan politicians like Jordi Pujol ( all of Spain is ridded with its own corruption, nothing new ) and these politicians started pushing a strong independentist propaganda and identitarian politics through the local government (Generalitat) which controls local education and TV, they revived the discussion about dictator Franco's repression, started suddenly caring about their unique identity (which is basically building human castles and speaking their language, nothing really that unique or different from Spain) and started claiming Spain is fascist state. You have to know that, according to polls, the majority voting for independence are the more wealthy people, both the independentist right and independentist left (curiously even more the far left, the CUP) and they are the ones with more voice and control over public discussion. Catalonia is very industrialized, it always was an industrial leader historically speaking compared to the rest of Spain, so it has its own group of very influential people who just dont like having Madrid make the decissions when they could just bribe the local leaders, Madrid gets in their way. As I see it, this movement is mostly recent, mostly nationalistic identitarian, and it has been mostly orchestrated by Catalan oligarchs. I've discussed this with many Catalan friends and we agree on this, while recognizing that this narrative convinces people because there are still open wounds from the Franco repression that never healed, and the PP party is a direct, living child of Franco's era. So there are always strong reactions when that topic comes out. That aversion is easily exploited to push identitarian populism. Arguments for independence are mostly emotional. Catalans do not suffer, they have super high standards of living, quality of life above the Spanish average, good economy and have full rights to express their identity today, so they claimimg they are being oppressed today rarely gets support anywhere in the world. It's rich kids playing the oppression card.
From a catalan point of view: Catalanism was always there, there wasn't just the need for independece. As said in the video, the pro-independence move mainly started with the "Estatut d'Autonomia", when the majority that voted it, saw how their votes didn't mean shit and got changed for less power for the region. Since Spain didn't satisfy the needs of the catalan people, independence started being something to consider. These days the pro-independence movement is just the old 'catalanism' but claiming more power (actually, all of it). Feel free to answer. I won't discuss about all the catalan nationalist being orchestred by the burgeosi, since it's basically nonsense and we wouldn't agree on a single bit.
Catalan rich kids are not the ones pushing for independence, that's completely wrong. Actually it would be the other way around, the biggest business owners disavow the independence movement as it is prompt to cause instability, and that's a no no for business. However it is indeed true that you can associate moderately wealthy middle class with independence supporters. That's explained in the video, during Franco's dictatorship there was an important migration of Spanish southerners to the north in seek for better paid industrial jobs, mainly Catalonia which was thriving economically. It is also known that Franco himself had this plan of homogenising the country, to make every part of Spain more "Spanish" and united, and to do so there were efforts from the government to encourage people to migrate all around the country. From these "planned migrations" the most important was to bring Spanish speakers into Catalonia and so be able to reintegrate the region, which had proved to be very rebellious before and during the civil war, and was also left a little bit empty due to the exiles caused by the war. The result of this MASSIVE (it's not an exaggeration) migration is that most of these new-coming workers ended up gathering and living in the zones were industry was developing, mainly around the already existent Barcelona's industry and other port cities. Nowadays it is known as "Barcelona's industrial belt", a series of highly populated cities with a staunch majority of people descendent from this Spanish immigrants from this epoch. These people tend to be workers that earn low wages and still fill up for most of the industry of the region, they are mainly Spanish speakers and they represent the core of Spanish unionism in Catalonia. In contrast it is in the rural areas and historical cities where most Catalan descendent people live, scattered throughout all the Catalan territory but much less densely populated, these people tend to speak Catalan and vote for independence. So if you compare these two types of people that you can find in Catalonia nowadays its obvious that the ones who descent from migrants tend to have less properties and less family support than the original population, hence tend to be poorer. That's why Catalans who support independence are, as a rule of thumb, generally wealthier than Catalans who support unionism. A good way to check that what I've just wrote is correct is comparing maps of where and what Catalans have voted in elections since democracy was restored. For instance: Map of latest elections in Catalonia by town: www.eldiario.es/catalunya/mapa-resultados-elecciones-catalanas-14f-municipio-municipio_1_7218588.html Density population map of Catalonia: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Catalu%C3%B1a-Poblacion-2018.png/198px-Catalu%C3%B1a-Poblacion-2018.png
@@neochris2 it's not as recent as you make it sound. In the 1980s there were plenty of people I knew who dreamt of Catalonia being its own country, but it was not realistic at the time, so we made do with getting more autonomy. Note that we had just gotten out of a brutal dictatorship that prohibited the Catalan language and had attempted to destroy Catalan identity. Present-day movement towards independence can be traced back to 2004 with the attempt to seek further self-reliance via a rewriting of the autonomy statute. Spain's opposition is what pushed Catalans to seek full independence.
As you can see on the flag of Spain: Top left is Castille (Castle) Top right is Léon (Lion) Bottom left is Aragon (Where Catalonia is part of) Bottom right is Navarra (Part of Baskonia, another region who wants independence) Spain is thus clearly a union of these 4 kingdoms
@@callumvantriet2941 Don't worry, I'm just extra picky there because I'm from Granada 😅 And normally we don't get recognition as one of the kingdoms that merged into what is known today as Spain.
I'm TA'ing a course on Spanish history right now and this is by far the best, most thorough video I've seen about Catalonia and the origins of Catalan nationalism. The only issue I could find is that it's just called "ETA", there's no "the." Like NASA, but more violent.
Its full of errors and pro-independece bias, like saying the last elections had a huge increase in pro independence, the shift was about 1% thats like 51% for independence, taking into account the vote turn over went down about a 40% cause COVID. Not to mention that he presented the 92% pro independence as a serious referendum and not the shit show bannana republic tier it was...
@@manumanitas161 The "Banana Republic" aspect of the referendum was the Spanish Government busing in riot police to harass, intimidate, beat up and arrest citizens who were trying to vote. Not forgetting the lengthy prison sentences handed out to the politicians who organised the referendum. Clearly fascism in Spain did not die with Franco.
Pablo Hasel was not condemned only because of his disgusting lyrics, he had a number of other legal issues. I really enjoyed the whole historic backup. Peace from a Catalan who's fed up with the whole tiresome issue of independence.
That is true, but the independentist are not really interested in defending the person of Pablo Hasel but the right to criticize or even insult the monarchy. Therfore, they are not defending all his acts and if he were to only be judged by the acts of aggression no one would be protesting (unless people had the feeling that he were being persecuted for his ideals, i guess). That’s why I’m assuming it’s not specified in the video.
@@mireiasanchez7746 this is not about independentism, I agree that criticize the monarchy should not be a felony but if you want to change that you have to get the majorities and make all the process in the Parliament. Many people dont even understand the felonies they are criticizing such as insult or slander...
When he was arrested in the university, that was for his music lyrics. It's right that he also has other charges, but all those demonstrations are for the arrest regarding the right of free speech.
Las injurias a la corona no tienen penas de cárcel, sino de multa. El enaltecimiento del terrorismo sumado a las agresiones es lo que hace que acabe en prisión. Para mi ninguno de los delitos de opinión debería existir, el problema es que las mismas personas "defendiendo" la libertad de expresión de Hasel, quemando Barcelona y saqueando tiendas, ponen el grito en el cielo cuando la idiota de la División Azul suelta su discurso y aplauden cuando piden 4 años de cárcel para ella.
You should get informed before talking. The 2017 "referendum" was not valid for several reasons: 1) In Spain, the Constitution does not offer the possibility to divide the country; however, the Spanish Constitution admits any kind of change, so the constitutional process is to change it to include that possibility. 2) I don't know how in other countries works, but in Spain, the money of the different autonomous communities is shared among the other communities to help each other. So, as well as many autonomous communities have benefited from Cataluña's money, Cataluña's has also benefited from the rest of Spain's money. So we have a conception that all Spain territory is of all Spanish people; and not that your community is yours and not of the others. 3) Before taking place the "referendum", the Constitutional Court warned Cataluña's government that it was anti-constitutional (because the State government is the only one with the power to do referendum, among other issues). 4) While voting, there were no control of the voters, so you could vote once, and then go to another place to vote for s second time (in fact some people did this). 5) 16 years old people were allowed to vote. In Spain the legal age is 18, because it is considered that you are more mature an less easy influenced than when you are younger. 6)Only 43'3% of the population voted. The people that didn't want to get the independence did not vote. The voting was biased. To illustrate this, in the last elections, the most voted party was PSOE, a not independentist party; and, in total, not independentist parties obtained 1332337 votes, while the independentist parties got 1357696. Nothing to do with a 90% in favour of independency.
Catalonia, especially Barcelona has seen HUUGE development and progress during laste 80s - early 90s mainly because of the olympics. I was amazed to see how much was done during these years, the ronda, port olimpico, Montjuic stadium, the freaking beach, entire neighbourhoods etc. That kind of investment surely didn't come from local budget but from all of Spain. I think Catalan forget that it's 2021 and we live in a diverse multicultural world and the only way forward is unity not extreme nationalism. They want out of Spain but still in EU.. lol
@@ag.3820 Spanish unity is precisely the opposite of multiculturalism. For instance, as it stands, the Spanish constitution explicitly says that all Spaniards have to duty to learn Spanish while most of the public opinion regards the existence of other languages as a stubborn nuisance rather than a source of richness and diversity. On top of that, there is this constant paternalism that suggests that Catalonia would have never developed if it hadn't been for Spain. To me, all of this sounds like Spanish supremacism, and it is rather the opposite of the multiculturalism that you say you process. Diversity in 2021? Ok then, perhaps it is time to teach in Catalan or Basque in schools from Madrid, or to make them official languages in the EU, or to have armed forces than don't vote massively for Vox, or to not constantly depose Catalonian presidents and detain rappers with biased judges, or perhaps to allow Catalonians to FREELY choose what is their political relationship with Spain in a peaceful way... Or does any of this somehow go against multiculturality?
@@miquelcolom7132 European Union is exactly that, the unity of a mix of cultures. I want to believe the future erases this ideas of “I speak this I am different than you and I want to make my own rules”. Based on this logic all the countries in Europe should be split in a thousand pieces. To me Catalonia is pretty independent as it is, has it’s own government, language that is thought in school over Spanish which is in minority etc.
@@ag.3820 Every culture and region has its own history, values, strengths, weaknesses, and problems therefore the EU’s one size fits all style of rules does not work and that is partly why you are seeing the growth of so many anti-EU sentiments across the EU countries.
@@miquelcolom7132 you realize 48% of the population of barca does not want out of spain? and why are you bringing up armed forces and what party they voted for, they can vote for which ever party they feel like. if you don't agree with them you don't need to include it into your arguement because it has nothing to do with what your saying.
I think it’s the opposite of what you said the industrial centers of Barcelona and Tarragona and the upper classes are less independentist than the rural areas 22:24
@@r.ladaria135 uhh Catalonia never joined Spain Spain was the Union between the crown of Castille and the Crown of Aragon (which included Catalonia) under the Catholic monarchy
The only reason Catalonia is not independent is because there is a sizable portion of spanish immigrants from 1950-80 that now make an approximate 50% of the region's population. Polls show that if you have 4 catalan speaking grandparents, 87% of people want independence, whereas 4 grandparents born outside catalonia, only 15% want independence.
Well catalonia has been part of spain for centuries. Its inevitable that many have mixed familys. Most people wont vote to straddle their famiy accross a border. Even with open borders it complicates things as different legal jurisdictions can affect things like healthcare, next of kin, inheritance. Immigration is also a growing trend globally and especially accross the EU. The world is moving towards integration. National sentiments aside, spliting economies, reducing the pool of accessable universities, spliting families (both catalans in the rest of spain and other spaniards in catalonia) etc etc just doesn't make logical sense.
@@danielforrester5265 'splitting families' argument is bullshit. Small minority. True catalans don't have families throughout spain. Only people who live in catalonia but are not culturally or linguistically catalan do. Ethnic catalans will never stop trying to regain their land back. They feel like as different to spanish people as portuguese. Your argument will be valid when portugal goes inside spain.
@@EduNauta95 Riiiight cause people dont move for work, education etc and inter-marry..... Do you not think mixed race exist? Like it or not, racial purity of any individual is rare if not unlikely. Most people are of mixed ancestory even if its just a few %. Your line of thinking is borderline racist and supremist. Not very democratic to just disregard so many catalans as not 'true' catalans over mixed blood. Is a half catalan who speaks catalan amd born in catalonia not catalan to you? Pretty narrowminded if thats how you think
@@danielforrester5265 a catalan is not about genes, is about someone who lives in a catalan way. Most imigrant people and mixed people don't live in a catalan cultural way. They live in a spanish way. Being catalan is not superior to spanish, this is not about supremacism. It about setting differences clearly what castillian/spanish supremacist nationalism has wanted to muddle and make dissappear since the middle ages. Catalans are still here. They wont go anywhere. Catalonia is catalan land. Those who are 'mixed' will have to adapt or live elsewhere in the 'great spanish country'. Facts.
That rapper guy's in prison for about 37 different crimes, and a lot of them violent ones, not for criticizing the king. And anyway he didn't criticize the crown, he insulted them in a violent way and made what's called a "hate speech". It has nothing to do with Spain having no freedom of speech.
Great Video! I have a Friend in Spain who lives in Barcelona and She told me she has always been against the independence movement, i always wondered why :/
@@saint_gales Not the least lol it's 50/50 in the capital more or less. It's acc the surrounding cities of Barcelona who have the least independentists
Because she doesn't feel like a victim because she is not a victim, in fact she is in a region of Spain which has enjoyed previleged from the Spanish goverment
It’s essential that you check the facts before creating a video like this. Pablo Hasel was NOT condemned because of ‘freedom of speech’ issues. He was incarcerated because he assaulted a witness and he beat a journalist, as well as other things such as praising terrorism. I think you should take this more seriously than just reading the newspaper headlines from misinformed media.
Awesome pronunciation my dude, keep it up! Just wanted to point out that Hasel is also being imprisoned for threatening a witness and throwing cleaning products over a journalist in a protest. Keep it up, loved your recent runes video
Philip V imposed on Spain a unitary polity on Spain (in emulation of France), which was completely unsuited to the country, having had up until that point more of a federal structure.
Imagine if the northern spanish catalans and the southern french occitans united into a new country. A cool idea except i would no longer be french and now technically be occitan/catalan since the soutern half of france is technically the cultural, ethnic region of occitan.
les occitans tous comme les catalans sont en fait francais d un point de vue "ethnique" tout comme par exemple les corses sont plutôt italien d un point de vue ethnique !meme si la france n a pas vraiment une ethnie particulière . mais bon tous ca n a plus vraiment de sens aujourd'hui ! l europe del ouest s est tellement mélangé ! nous avons tous des liens historique fort entre francais , allemands , italiens , espagnols , britanniques , belges et hollandais !
@@roms4154 Im french and spanish. But yes i identify as more french than anything else. Also i dont really like the british or germans but i agree with the rest
@@roms4154 We are only ethnically french in as so far as to say we are descended of the Gallo-Romans and partially the Franks, but we are more Gallo-Roman than Frankish, unlike the north of France, thereby Id actually say us Occitans and Catalans are in fact Gallic, or Galloroman, not French.
I remember playing CK2 I started as The Duke or county of Barcelona and the first thing I did was to become king of Aragon, that indeed was different from the Kingdome of Leon
26:18 In fact this is not true. The Mossos d'Escuadra closed the election places, but they did it calmly and without violence. The Guardia Civil try it with violence. Also, I think is important to say that by that time catalan people trusted quite more in Mossos d'Escuadra than in the Guardia Civil, because just a few month before happened the terrorist attack in Barcelona and it was the Mossos d'Escuadra who took care of the victims, solved the case and stopped the terrorists, not the Guardia Civil or the CNI (CNI is like the spanish CIA). In fact, right now the terrorist attack in BCN is in the spoylight again because of the testimony of an ex-agent of the CNI, who said that the CNI knew the terrorist attack was about to happen but they didn't do what they should have done to stop it because they wanted to "scary Catalonia a little bit". Then the situation got out of their control and the terrorist really atrack happened. Is not confirmed yet if this statement is true but, knowing some CNI precedents, it could be actually true. Anyway. We are living kinda crazy times with a lot of manipulation and violation of some rights. A lot of shit that isn't explained in this video has been and is still going on. Cause this is quite deeper than what it seems. Is not only histoeical facts anymore, is also the stuff going on nowadays.
Actual Catalan Independentists: we are a superior class of people and we are so cool, we want more money and if we fuck up, Spain should rescue us again. Damn Spaniards.
@@meinkopf3855 That is not how Spain works man, practicly all the money that the Spanish Government has, is money from Catalonia. In Catalonia we don't want more money, we want OUR money.
@@meinkopf3855 come again? Have you actually watched the video? It says that Catalonia is one of the most richest regions in Spain, second only to Madrid which has 19.2% of national GDP while Catalonia has 19.0%. If you consider this on top of all the bullshit coming from the central government which primarily benefits Madrid itself, you'll see that the situation is, in fact, the oppose of what you said.
This is very interesting. At this time, with Scotland being flirting with independence, it might not be as apropos to ask why Spain doesn't consider the British model, El Reino Unido de Iberia, if not Los Estados Unidos de España.
They already do. Catalonia is an autonomous community of Spain. Different communities have different degrees of autonomy, and Catalonia is one of the three most autonomous communities (the other two being Galicia and the Basque Country).
@@JonSeverinsson My last trip to Barcelona was a few years after the fall of Franco. I would usually try to use travellers guide Spanish, but found that got me hostility in Catalonia. I started to introduce all requests with, "Perdóname, mi lengua materna es el inglés y hablo muy poco español .... " This usually got a smile and, "Good, we don't speak Spanish here and prefer English." The political problem may be moving in the right direction, too, but if it is not resolved permanently it can flare up at any time. I am surprised that EU integration hasn't done a more thorough job, though.
@@JMM33RanMA I'm not saying the political problem is solved, just that the British model won't help, as Catalonia already have more devolved powers than Scotland.
People also want to break away when they're suffering in some way, and in Germany peoples lives are very good, there is no real reason for any areas to break off.
@The505Guys the eastern lands had a significant population wanted to be part of Poland before WWI, though a lot of that stopped because of the land given to the new polish republic
Rural areas tend to be independentist. Urban areas (around Barcelona and the coast) tend to be unionist. Within social classes, the highest classes are unionist, with middle and high-middle independentist, and low and middle-low classes unionist. The main factor is ethnolinguistic identity (most unionists are Spanish-speaking and they or their parents come from other regions) except for the highest classes which simply fear Catalonia becoming a rump state and prefer the statu quo.
Catalonia: We are uniquely different from the rest of Spain! Basque Country: We are uniquely different from the rest of Spain! Galicia: We are uniquely different from the rest of Spain! The rest of Spain: We are uniquely different from the rest of Spain!
Its full of errors and pro-independece bias, like saying the last elections had a huge increase in pro independence, the shift was about 1% thats like 51% for independence, taking into account the vote turn over went down about a 40% cause COVID. Not to mention that he presented the 92% pro independence as a serious referendum and not the shit show bannana republic tier it was...
@@manumanitas161 exactly , Gilbert set the video on initial wrong assumptions, and omit relevant information along the video....,apart from suggesting that offense to crown can take to jail, nobody goes to Jail for offending the crown, it is just fine ( which I disagree by the way)
He did state that the 2017 referendum wasn't representative because everyone who would vote against didn't vote as per legislation of the Spanish government.
@@mauritsponnette Yeah, he said 20 minutes into the video... I havent seen it but it creates a strong bias if you say it in minute 0 and then elaborate over that for 20 minutes.... Also the statement that independentist made a HUGE surge.... The HUGE surge was in people not showing up to vote since TurnOut went down 25% es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elecciones_al_Parlamento_de_Catalu%C3%B1a_de_2021
He also forget to say that the industrialization of Catalonia come from the protection of manufactured good by the Spanish State...., people were obliged during centuries to buy whatever was manufactured in catalonia by tarifing so expensively goods from abroad...., Catalonia has created wealth under the protection of the Spanish state, no by creating a competitive industry, but Gilbert forget to say that, as many things....
Really like your video! It good to see someone just present the facts without a political agenda. As you asked for opinions here is mine: I sympathize with the Catalan cause as I was born in Barcelona and my family is from Navarre and the Basque Country. However I don't think that independence is the solution. It is important to preserve unity and solidarity with all people regardless of nationality or cultural background. Especially in Europe where even once powerful Nations like Germany and France no longer play a major role in World politics, smashed between the world powers. Considering this I think that the hole Idea of the independent European Nation-state is obsolete. I disagree with the imprisonment of Catalan politicians and artist because I'm a firm believer in free speech and dialogue. With dialogue between the Catalans and the Spanish I think a compromise can be found. It is obvious that the monorachy as a Relic of the medieval age is no longer viable. It is obvious that a modern Spain should ambrese Republicanism and reorganize itself into a federated State. (Sorry if there are any misspellings or grammatical errors. English is not my first language and I'm still learning. Thanks.)
Hilbert, Pablo Hasel has gone to prison for what we know as accumulation of sentences. He hit a trail witness, he force the entrance to a public building and, finally, he has made those songs. Media has twist the story to make a case of it, this guys is not an angel.
It's the Dutch anthem running gag that made me subscribe, it's just that funny you think about every possible situation in your videos to include this.
Dude he’s not being imprisoned because of the lyrics, in spain you can’t be imprisoned for “injurias a la corona” he’s being imprisoned for assault to a reporter, assaulting a witness, trespassing and others but he wants everybody to think that he’s being imprisoned for his songs ☠️
Maybe is that case, but there are many people that had been arrested or had to leave first. Spain is the country with more artists incarcerated because the ideology of their work. Pablo Hasel is the tip of the issue.
@@monicavelazquezrodriguez3035 yeah well, not for their art, unless its an terrorist propaganda :), for example valtonyc (one of the more known cases) feld to belgium, i don’t know him personaly but many of my friends do, he literally told a hole crowd to go kill policemen one night various times, his lirycs are full of death threats and lies so of course he was condemned :)
@@Maximusvgcc Vox organised an entire march with antisemite speeches, and an oficial general of the army said he would execute 26 million of people.That's not a "threat of terrorism"? It's only terrorism if they are againts the current elites..
It's funny that you have discovered to me that ther has been any kind of terrorist separatist organization in the Canary Islands! LOL. Really, you should check on that because I've never heard of such and I've been a spaniard myself for 49 years. Besides that, I love learning the history of my own country from foreign sources - they tend to be quite more impartial than the ones you can come by here. Good work!
I think he is talking about the Fuerzas Armadas Guanches, the militar branch of the Movimiento por la Autodeterminación e Independencia del Archipiélago Canario (MPAIAC). While they were not as active as ETA for example they did exist and it even had a mortal victimn. And I do know that they were a very small group but they were considered a terrorist organitzation by the Spanish Government
@@victorpujadasaltemir8747 Well thanks for the info. Once again, it's funny I have to learn these things here. However, it's a bit of a failure for a terrorist gang not to be known by their own countrymen for their criminal merits or motivations (I wish it'd happen more often, we had more than enough suffering ETA for decades)
One small note, in 19:38 when you say that a catalan army was meant to arrive to French Catalonia to take it over, it was actually the other way arround, a group of left-wing pro-independence catalan exiles were organizing there to buy weapons and try and invade Catalonia to cause a popular uprising with the final objective of overthrowing Primo de Rivera and forming a new catalan state, but was ousted by an Italian fascist spy, that whistleblowed the whole operation to the French Police. In fact the one who planned all of it was the same man that later proclaimed the catalan republic in 1931 (a couple of hours before the second Spanish republic was proclaimed) after his party, ERC (Republican Left of Catalonia, a Left-wing catalan nationalist party) won the elections, and that's the same political party that got the most votes of the independentist parties regional elections a couple of weeks ago.
1:50 in fact, perhaps due to the pandemic or other factors, the total number of votes has been 53% of the population compared to other elections in previous years: 2,874,610 votes in 2021, compared to 79% ( 4,115,807) of the year 2017. Although the number of seats is the same or a little higher, the support that the parties are having is less and less. With these data we cannot affirm that the independence movement is growing or decreasing.
We can't determine how many people actually want independence unless there's an actual referendum, which won't happen as long as Spain decides to stick to its guns. The problem is it's very likely these guns will end up jamming.
@@guillemmoreno5522 Surely we are not going to see a Catalan republic, neither you nor I, nor such a referendum in these circumstances. But what I can see is that the Spanish, or at least the Catalans, are beginning to understand that all the politicians of one side or the other are the same oligarchy interested in their own pockets and not people interested in people's problems.
@@manuelcorpasgarcia625 Obviamente que no se haria asi, dime si el referendum escoces o del Quebec se hizo asi xdd. Igualmente, si se hiciera un referendum en cataluña, legal digo, dudo que ganaran los indepes
I really don't understand why they want independence Being a rich region doesn't make your region a bread basket like let's say Ireland was pre-independence from Britian It comes off a bit like they just think they're better than the Castillians and want independence because of that
Well, the reason of independece is to have more autonomi to grow in the social and economical way. This can be done without independence, in my opinion I think it would be better if we could get that autonomi without independence, but it's not that easy and the independenc it's just a direct path to that autonomi
There are many reasons. Some of them: 1. We are a Nation and we have the right of self-determination. 2. Spain threatens our Catalan language and culture instead of promoting them. An independent State will allow our culture to survive and develop. 3. Castilians love their King. We Catalans don't want to be serfs of any King. Independence is the way to get a Republic. 4. Spain doesn't invest enough in the Catalan Countries. It has been decades of spoliation now. They spend most of our money in Madrid, and a lot of that is going directly to the pockets of Spanish oligarchy and aristocracy.
We are not better than anyone. For centuries we have been fighting against the repression of the disguised Spanish fascist state. Everything goes against us, you will never understand it if you do not come here. They don’t give us a voice because they want to tread (and have already done so) our culture, and so try to make us forget our main purpose, as we saw on October 1, 2017. We will persist until we become independent, for our own good and for our land. There are so many reasons…
@@santakosoundsystem7542 you are wrong on everything. 1 Catalonia is not a nation. 2 Spain does not threatens cooficial languages and they are taught in school. 3 The desire of a republic is spread all over Spain, stop thinking that Spanish people are all Vox voters. 4 Catalonia is the one that gets the most money in the state budgets while its not the autonomous region that makes the most money, that being Madrid
You forgot to mention how in the last election were it appears to be an increase in support for Catalan independence parties there was also record highs in non-participation in the elections, extremists never miss a vote, the rest who know it doesn’t matter as it is an idiotic cause tend to not vote, they don’t care.
@@FOLIPE No, the people who are against listen to the national government that says the vote is illegal, and don't participate because it would be breaking the law.
They come froma 38%of population in catalonia to vote for independence in an illegal referendum to a 26%that vote for separatist parties. This video is separatist propaganda
@@vantianrais1593 How a english video from a endlish person is separatist propaganda xd. I reaaaally can understand how salty are the people of both sides...
Do you forget the elections were only set in february because PSOE wanted to do the elections that day, and the others parties opposed? Because THERE IS A FUCKING VIRUS?
Not knowing much about the current Catalonian political make up... My gut instinct is that those southern Andalusian poor factory workers would be to this day (their descendants) in the urban areas. And I would think that the rural native Catalonian are more pro union bc they are probably more conservative, in contrast to the more liberal/euro-socialistic urbanites in Barcelona
@@davsalda you are correct. The immigrants from the south and their descendants are mainly in the outskirts of large cities, such as Barcelona. Some of the descendants integrated and became fully Catalan in regards to their sense of identity but others chose to remain Spanish. That is why pro independence is found more in villages.
I've travelled and worked with a few people from Catalonia and they were all happy to have a candid, adult conversation about its independence status. I guess this in itself is a fair insight into part of the culture there, what surprised me was the range of opinions shared, even amongst close groups of friends. Only one of them was of full Spanish heritage and he didn't really care either way (as he felt like a part of both Spain and Barcelona) and both were bittersweet for him. Two were of 50/50 Spanish/Catalan heritage, one said he felt Spanish not Catalan and didn't care so much, the other felt Catalan to the core and was fully pro-independence. The 'full' Catalans I knew either didn't care so much or were pro-independence (a couple were HARDcore for independence) except for one girl that wanted to stay because "Espana is fucked without us", lolz. The fact that they were all good, intelligent people that could have a civil conversation on a touchy subject like this, without it souring relationships, was impressive to me (in this day and age anyways). Freedom for Catalunya!
Couple corrections/additions: -The 2017 referendum had a 43% turnout, not 55%, as the Catalan government itself stated (estaticos.elperiodico.com/resources/pdf/4/3/1507302086634.pdf) -"Voting for independence is sedition" is a bit of an oversimplification in regards to the Constitutional Court's argument, there were several other reasons why they deemed the referendum illegal, namely: *The power to authorize popular referendums belongs to the central government. *The Pro-independence parties passed the Referendum Bill with a majority of 55%, as opposed to a 2/3 majority that was needed to modify the Statute of Autonomy of Catalonia. *The Referendum Bill was made public literally an hour before parliament convened, and it was published without the consent of the General Secretary of Parliament. By law, MPs need to know what they are going to vote on 48 hours before any discussion starts *The Bill was rushed through parliament, given only 2 hours for adding amendments, which was done in absence of any opposition parties *And last and least, the referendum failed to meet the Venice Commission's guidelines for referendums (Which aren't actually binding as far as I know, but still should be considered) Anyway, I'm loving these last videos you've been making, hope to see more in the near future!
Although the the bill process was rushed and could have been much better, the process in itself was deemed to be lawfull in court. So, even if the process was used as an excuse only the content of the law was really the problem.
@@nicolaievehj.tribunalconstitucional.es/es-ES/Resolucion/Show/25470# "It follows from the preceding that the parliamentary process which resulted in Law 19/2017 incurred in many grave infractions to legislative procedure, which undoubtedly affected the judgement of the chamber, the rights of minorities and the rights of citizens to participate in public matters through their representatives"
Scotland and Catalonia: we wanna go independent! Britain: okay vote, oh you want to stay, well you can't vote on it again for a couple decades Spain: *v i o l e n c e and a r r e s t s* Not that Britain is good, just, you know, it isn't Spain about it.
@@deiniolbythynnwr926 and when one day a bomb appears in front of the Parliament building, you'll have the nerve to ask yourself "How did this happen?"
Not "some Catalans", the Catalans want. The ones who don't want are Spanish who went to live to Catalonia and don't want to accept the culture that welcomed them, sadly.
Now that Scotland is outside the EU the race for causing the first secessionism-based EU crisis is between Catalonia and Flanders as other independentist movements in the EU seem to be asleep. I wish you all the luck but then again I want my Catalonia to win the race. Go Catalonia! Go! PS: Thank you for keeping Puigdemont safe, my secessionist pals ;)
@@enricmm85 i think itll sooner be flanders than catalonia considering flanders is more than half of belgium and catlonia is a smaller part of big spain. But who knows, crazier things have happened in this world
This was an excellent video. As a catalan (pro-independence) point of view I found it very balanced, and you talked about pretty much everything you had to. There's just 2 things I'd change: -As a minor change, the latest election graph was somewhat confusing, PSOE + VOX bars look taller than all the pro-independece parties bar, which may lead to believe unionism was more popular than secessionism. Pro-independece parties got an historic 51% of the vote and a huge majority in the parliament. -As to Pablo Hasel's detention, it's right that many catalans support him for the national aspect but I'd say more people do support him for being republican (against the monarchy). There's many places in Spain, very unionist places, that also demonstrated for him. And finally, something I would've added in the video is the imprisionment of the entire catalan government after the 1st of October independence referendum, some people like Carles Puigdemont escaped into exile seeking EU's protection, but those who didn't are still imprisioned, with senteces of up to 13 years. That fueled the pro-independence move a good deal from 2015 until today.
Hasel isnt in prison bc of what he said about the king, that is blantandly false, he is in prison for asault (many times has he ben prosecuted for that) , exaltating terrorist groups like ETA. Insulting the king is one of the charges but not the reason for him going there, but people saw that and ran with it and are now breaking and stealing shops etc, in the name of "free speech" but its completly idiotic. But its true that spain has a rocky relationship with the monarks and politicians but that is in every autonomous región of spain
So I think the HD version of the video hasn't processed yet.. Thanks UA-cam! If you're early it may be a little grainy for which you have my apologies!
It’s fine
Will you cover the current separatists in the Ghanian Volta Region
HD or not Hilbert is Hilbert and I am happy either way
Historic Definition.
i literally watched the video you made over 3 years ago last night thats weird.
Castile = Castle
Leon = Lion
Makes sense on the flag
AKSHUALLY... the name of León doesn´t come from the animal, it is a corruption of the name of a Roman camp in the area, Legio VII Gemina.
Extra pedantry bonus: if a coat of arms represents the name of the place, they are called "canting arms" or "rebus."
@ჶ Troopa3xd ჶ We agree, it does mean lion. But the origin of the name is not that. They have a lion in reference to the name, which itself is a corruption of "Legio."
Más claro, agua
Hay un sitio cerca de donde vivo que se llama "Helmond". Se le puso ese nombre en referencia al sitio donde está (viene a significar "entrada a un lugar seguro"). Pero, como contiene la palabra "helm" (casco), la bandera presenta un casco. Más o menos el mismo proceso: nombre original-corrupción-bandera.
@ჶ Troopa3xd ჶ Aclarado, estamos de acuerdo. Y sin insultarnos ni nada, ya ves, esto no parece ni internet...
VISCA CATALUNYA LLIURE //*//
"The PP Party"
Who said politics can't be fun?
The PP party is a bunch of corrupt conservative thieves though...
_🙏PP🙏_
@ჶ Troopa3xd ჶ pretty sure PSOE and Podemos aren't conservatives.
@@Jose-gc8rl it’s a joke bro. You don’t need to make it political. God knows there’s quite enough of that in the world😂😔
@ჶ Troopa3xd ჶ Vox are great
I'm Spanish and it is so fucking sad that some guy on the internet who makes content in English is able to explain this matter way too many times better and more accurately and objectively than all media in Spain.
Cause our media is supposed to create division
What about his pronounciation? I only speak a little spanish, but sounds to me does speak it rather fluently.
@@xtralarsproductions Indeed, he speaks Spanish very well.
@@xtralarsproductions his catalan is also farily on point
I'm catalan, and although we may ot agree on some things, I see we agree on the satisfaction on some impartiality on this argument
I want to clarify some things. In the Spanish War of Succession it wasn't just Catalonia that sided with the Austrias, but the entirety of the Crown of Aragon (that being the Kingdom of Aragon, the Principality of Catalonia, the Kingdom of Valencia and the Kingdom of Majorca, as well as its territories outside of modern Spain which were lost after the war) and the Nueva Planta decrees were imposed on all of it, banning not only Catalan but also Aragonese and abolishing the Crown of Aragon along with the fueros, or laws, of its regions and imposing Castilian language and law instead.
Cuán el mal ve d Almansa....
@@elpaya7775 ...A tots alcança
This is really important and often conveniently forgotten by both sides
@@cianosullivan2799 Castille destroyed all in his path of creating Spaim
@@elpaya7775 sí, y en Aragón precisamente es donde más ha calado esa ambición destructiva.
Could you do a video about Kurds and Kurdistan next?
23:05
Today it's actually the other way around. The rural areas are more keen to independence and the big cities (mostly Barcelona) are skeptical about it. That has to do with the great cultural diversity and the dependence on trade and business of the big metropolis
man id say barcelona is about as independentist as it gets theres like demonstrations all year
@@aguspuig6615 Just because the demonstrations are there doesn't mean the majority of the local population is in support of independence. In fact the majority of the barcelonian population is opposed to independence.
The reason so many demonstrations are there is beacause of the fact that it is the regional capital and people from rural areas go there to demonstrate.
Yes, Barcelona is quite diverse, but the pro-independence movement is quite strong there. Now, the suburbs where most of the Spanish workers live, are strongholds for the pro-Spanish voters and also the far right (VOX, Ciudadanos and PP) Anyway, there is quite an interesting situation also happening there... ERC and CUP keep on gaining terrain. Many new pro-independence voters are Spanish-speaking and non-Catalan.
Tractoria vs Tabarnia, epic showdown.
@@aguspuig6615 @catnaz
You guys were saying??
www.rtve.es/noticias/elecciones-catalanas/mapa-resultados-2021/
ETA deserves a topic. Basques are underrated.
@@SultanAymen So what?
The 80s were hard years for Basque people and Spain in general, those were the times when ETA made almost one attack a week, and people was afraid of everything. On the other hand, the Spanish government take radical measures such as torture or State terrorism (GAL groups). It's still a controversial topic because for example right now there are some ex-terrorists from ETA in a political party called BILDU, that has representation in Spanish parlament and even the government make some accords with them
@@SultanAymen the original basque nationalism was racist, that's true, but nowadays, that aspect has practically disappeared. Basques are no more racist than any other europeans. In fact, there is a lot of solidarity towards palestinians and saharawis.
@@ktheterkuceder6825 lol
@@SultanAymen Saying the Basques are racist is racist.
I must say, being there, that "mossos d'esquadra" did certainly not just stand by, in fact, they closed more polling stations than both national police and Guardia Civil combined, albeit with far less violence. There is also an error as Jose Miguel arenas doesn't come from Catalonia, he is from Mallorca. Finally PSOE although somewhat opened to pacts on some issues with pro-independence parties, is absolutely opposed to independence and any form of consultation on the matter.
En el juicio quedó demostrado que los centros de votación que cerraron los Mossos fue después de dejar votar con normalidad (en contra de la orden del juez) y después del recuento, viéndose incluso imágenes de mossos de uniforme custodiando las cajas con los sobres. La policía y la guardia civil intentaron cumplir las órdenes y claro, eso creó conflicto, porque había gente que se quería saltar la ley.
@@hullie7529 Igual la violencia nunca es la solucion... Pero bah no importa porque al final acabaremos todos dandonos ostias discutiendo el sexo de los angeles...
@@hullie7529 En ese mismo juicio se absolvio a la cúpula de los mosos así que cumplieron con sus ordenes. No hay imágenes de mossos custodiando urnas si no retirandolas. Por otra parte la orden judicial que ordenaba "Cerrar los centros sin alterar la normal convivencia" de forma que quien realmente cumplió el mandato fueron los mossos i no la guardia civil y policia nacional quienes ademas se negaron a coordinar el operativo y compartir informacion. Eso sin entrar en la legitimidad de impedir el libre derecho de manifestacion pacífica y de expresión de la ciudadania", cabe recordar que la convocatoria de referendums está además explícitamente despenalizada en la legislación española.
@@hullie7529 como se nota que estabas ahí...
No they didn't. They only did that after standing by allowing illegal actions.
Your pronunciation is very good! Coming from a catalan
His pronunciation is excellent in most languages. I'm always impressed.
So you approve of him saying “some” Catalans
@@Ethan-qo9rx it’s some Catalans, not all.
@@The_Soviet_Onion it’s a clear majority
@@Ethan-qo9rx I heard a lot of English speaking people say “some” when something is a majority, and i’m not talking only about independence movements, also things as basic as lemons and oranges
I wonder if this comment section will be cool or not ?
@Ian Is based 👌👌
Just like their ''independence'' it will be cool for 8 seconds and then stop
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@@vlogsxi Viva España
@ჶ Troopa3xd ჶ viva españa viva franco
Just to clarify, Valtònyc is not Catalan, he's from Mallorca in the Balearic Islands. He sings in Catalan since we also speak Catalan here. ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valt%C3%B2nyc
Yo pensaba que en las Baleares se hablaba mallorquín, al menos así me lo enseñaron en el colegio. Me sorprende cómo mucha gente de Baleares está tan dispuesta a que se pierda su identidad por hacer seguidismo a los catalanistas. En este caso España defiende la diversidad cultural de sus regiones frente a la uniformidad unitaria del catalanismo.
@@hullie7529 Cállate por favor que no sabes de lo que hablas.
@@hullie7529 idiota, el mallorquí és dialecte del català
@@otpascual471 el mallorqui y el catalan son un dialecto del valenciano. Y no insultes al chaval, te quita la poca razon que tienes
@@lyonthespanishfox9686 en fi un altre que no sap del què parla, imbècils n'hi ha a tot arreu👍
Insults against the crown is indeed a crime in Spain(shouldn't, but it is) but its only punished with a fine. So anyone that says that they emprisoned him beacuse of these tweets against the crown is either wrong or being cynical. You re not to blame though,as there's a huge confusion about that same subject right here in Spain. I like your videos preety much, keep it up!
Aqui es donde te equivocas supongo que sabesque en el codigo penal penas inferiores a 2 años de prision no entras a prision pero si tienes diferentes condenas, que casi toda condena de multa va de acuerdo a una de prision multa de 3 meses a 20€ al dia por ejemplo pero son 3 meses. En este caso la ultima condena por injurias supera el cumulo de sus condenas por encima de lso años i por eso la prision de los 2 años i medio de prision creo que casi 2 son por 3 condenas diferentes por sus tuits i canciones, o sea si esta a prision por decidir que los borbones son unos ladrones, cosa que es verdad corroborado por el fisco por la ultima regularicacion del emerito con el fisco.
Let me correct you, he has been imprisoned solely because of tweets and songs. The prison (+ €30k) sentence is for "glorification of terrorism" and "insults to the royal crown", "crimes" that have consisted on tweets and songs only. The rest of the issues he's been on trial for have been resolved in other manners. Review your sources. This is the same story of always with Spain, juditial warfare. A fascist power that never lost its strategic position after Franco's death. But they will fall, of course they will, along with the monarchy and the rest of the parasites of this fascist regime.
Some of the sentences for the crimes he committed before (assault, threats, etc...) were "suspended", others are pending. For the ones already judged, that means the punishment would not take effect if one does not misbehave and does not commit more crimes, felonies or whatever. He doubled down and now he faces a rolling snowball.
He is NOT facing prison because of the offenses to the royal family (and please, the non Spanish readers understand that "offenses" here does not mean singing songs about the king being fat, ugly or stupid but more on the line of actually publicly stating he is a criminal and accusing him of whatever without any evidence. Under Spanish law this is actually a felony if you do so to anybody, be him a king or not. But when the crime is committed against the king, it is specially typified as the king is an institutional figure), he has actively and publicly showed support and sympathy for terrorist organisations. It is debatable if this should be considered a crime or not, but we cannot forget that the main advocates for the criminalisation of speech in Spain and outside Spain is actually the radical left. I can only see this as an act of poetic justice.
What if you don't want to pay the fine? What's the condemn then? Another fine?
At the end of the day you can absolutely be imprisoned in Spain for insults against the crown.
@@jonathanm9069 As it is expected if you reject to pay any fine sentenced by the judge without any other reason that you do not want to do it. You are also given the chance of doing community work instead.
The amount of the fine, in any case, is set according to your financial circumstances.
Como ocurre si eventualmente te niegas a pagar cualquier multa impuesta por un juez sin más argumentos que no te da la gana de hacerlo. Se te da la opción de sustituir la pena por trabajo comunitario.
La cantidad de la multa, en cualquier caso, se establece de acuerdo con tus posibilidades económicas.
Artículo 53.
1. Si el condenado no satisficiere, voluntariamente o por vía de apremio, la multa impuesta, quedará sujeto a una responsabilidad personal subsidiaria de un día de privación de libertad por cada dos cuotas diarias no satisfechas, que, tratándose de delitos leves, podrá cumplirse mediante localización permanente. En este caso, no regirá la limitación que en su duración establece el apartado 1 del artículo 37.
También podrá el juez o tribunal, previa conformidad del penado, acordar que la responsabilidad subsidiaria se cumpla mediante trabajos en beneficio de la comunidad. En este caso, cada día de privación de libertad equivaldrá a una jornada de trabajo.
2. En los supuestos de multa proporcional los Jueces y Tribunales establecerán, según su prudente arbitrio, la responsabilidad personal subsidiaria que proceda, que no podrá exceder, en ningún caso, de un año de duración. También podrá el Juez o Tribunal acordar, previa conformidad del penado, que se cumpla mediante trabajos en beneficio de la comunidad.
3. Esta responsabilidad subsidiaria no se impondrá a los condenados a pena privativa de libertad superior a cinco años.
4. El cumplimiento de la responsabilidad subsidiaria extingue la obligación de pago de la multa, aunque mejore la situación económica del penado.
5. Podrá ser fraccionado el pago de la multa impuesta a una persona jurídica, durante un período de hasta cinco años, cuando su cuantía ponga probadamente en peligro la supervivencia de aquélla o el mantenimiento de los puestos de trabajo existentes en la misma, o cuando lo aconseje el interés general. Si la persona jurídica condenada no satisficiere, voluntariamente o por vía de apremio, la multa impuesta en el plazo que se hubiere señalado, el Tribunal podrá acordar su intervención hasta el pago total de la misma.
This made me want to know more about the other independence movements in other countries.. movements that would cripple the nations they're in.
Hell, I hear people talking about splitting up the USA. And I'm like, don't make me pull a Lincoln here. :D United we stand, Divided we fall. But I do agree in more autonomy for local states.
What Lincoln said about "United We Stand, Divided We Fall" is true for all countries, splitting into 2 or more different countries will only weaken both the secessionists and their country, only reason I see is a good reason to leave a country is that they are being heavily suppressed, like some people in China or corrupt Governments in Africa and South America
@@andrewmannson7543 The west is just as corrupt... We just called it lobbying and made it legal. miss me with that shite
This video is a joke, almost as bad as the referendum... You do not mention that in the legal election the voting is 50% between unionists and separatists, how the referendum reaches 92%?? The referendum was a hoax, there was no census, so people could vote several times and some of the boxes were full of votes before the vote started...
Another big lie is about Hazel, no one goes to jail to insult the crown... The maximum you can get is a fine. The guy is been condemned because he attacked a witness, he bleached the head of a journalist, but you were not capable to do a minimum research before publishing this video. Made a favour to yourself and get informed before preparing a video...
@@gerardoerrazquin9435 which one of us made the video?
history with hilbert is becoming one of my favorite news channels
22:44, great video, but unionism is currently more widespread on industrial areas and towns, rural areas tend to be more independentist.
In industrial areas with low profile immigrants from Spain.
@@mrx0088 80 years ago
no
To be more accurate, most of unionists weren't born in Catalonia unlike independentists
Industrial areas and towns tend to have a larger Spanish population, unlike rural zones, where most people are actually Catalan.
Thank you Hilbert for putting the music you use in the description. I especially like the "Laid Back Guitars" one.
you forgot to mention the funniest bit , when their government said : yes we are independant ! only for them 8 SECONDS later say : "actually...that was a joke we arent..."
Just some notes as a catalan independence supporter myself, Pablo Hasél and the other rappers imprisoned are not really part of the independence movement, but some far left-wing antimonarchy movement. It's easy to get them mashed together because they're catalan but they don't have much in common apart from you know, being prosecuted by the same state.
Another thing you forgot to mention about the Reaper's War, is that, after siding with the french in order to kick out the Spanish, the french army was sent to Catalonia and basically did even worse than the spanish soldiers, so they switched sides again, some say that they tried to remain independent but with enemies on all sides that was basically not possible so Spain recovered part of Catalonia while the french took the north (as part of the Treaty of Utrech which involved basically every single european monarchy at the time and also the reason Gibraltar is not part of Spain).
Also, when Franco decided to industrialize Catalonia and send millions of spanish speaking workers there, he did so in purpose (and he wasn't the first to try to do so, as in the early 1800s there was also lots o migration from regions such as Andalusia and Murcia), so that the immigrants would dilude catalan national identity. While it is debatable if the move payed off, the percentage of native catalan speakers in Catalonia was certainly reduced from 80%+ to almost 40% now.
Lastly, the PSOE is not wiling to negotiate anything about independence. They MAY, and this is also very unlikely, support some sort of autonomy reforms, but that is also not really plausible as the Spanish Constitution would need to be reformed (2/3rds of the Spanish Parliament votes needed and Catalan seats represent 48/350).
The reality is they cannot allow Catalonia to go out of Spain, as the loss would most certainly bankrupt them, and so they will try to keep us United whatever the cost, and whatever the % of support for independence.
Congrats on making such a nice video :D
I agree with most of the things you said (because they were facts) except when you said that Spain would become bankrupt where Catalonia to leave. I really don’t see how this is true, if anything it would be the other way around. Catalonia lately has served more as a destabilizing region more than anything else, it is possible that where Catalonia to leave, Spain might on the long run, end up more stable
@@xeroxsaw1303 yaa, a lot of facts but his conclusion wasn't supported by any. I'm afraid he's just been brainwashed.
BTW that rapper has a lot of crimes and deserves prison.
@@ekosh6266 I think he does, but that “Injurias a la Corona” law is stupid
@@xeroxsaw1303 Maybe not on the long run, same as Catalonia, but Catalonia is an economic powerhouse and almost the only connection Spain has to europe by land. Also If catalonia secedes vasques will probably follow them after a while.
@@alexdeharo9036 Well Catalonia’s position would be much worse. They would have lost many companies, they would be out of the EU and Spain would probably veto any attempt for the EU to join the EU, furthermore Catalonia would be very unstable since about half of the population would disagree with the decision to leave Spain, they would probably still have relatives in Spain. Also, pro-independence parties have made 0 plans as to what they would after seceding from Spain, and their day to day administration has been quite bad honestly, even while still being part of Spain. I frankly don’t see how Catalonia would be better off after independence
He didnt talk about how Pablo Hasel asaulted a cop and sprayed acid on a witness
i have a feeling that didnt happen
Its full of errors and pro-independece bias, like saying the last elections had a huge increase in pro independence, the shift was about 1% thats like 51% for independence, taking into account the vote turn over went down about a 40% cause COVID. Not to mention that he presented the 92% pro independence as a serious referendum and not the shit show bannana republic tier it was...
@@manumanitas161 Very well anti-catalan propaganda you got there bud, ciudadanos lost 30 places in the elections and every single one of the pro-independence gained places. Besides, it’s not 51% it’s 65%~ Which is a considerable number because there is only 3 pro-independence political parties
@@Didagg es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elecciones_al_Parlamento_de_Catalu%C3%B1a_de_2021
Okey so turnout: 53%, which means half of the population doesnt give a shit about this political non sense called voting.
From that 53% dumb enough to go voting:
If you sum up all the independentist parties you have 51%, PSC is not independentist I think thats clear, neither is Podemos which is pro referendum but is neutral with strong negative views on the isue in other parts of Spain, just like PSOE...
So no its not propaganda is just data, I dont know where you get that 65% from anyways
@@aguspuig6615 Ha assaulted a member of a jury and a tv camera man. He also told his followers that they should kill cops and the royal family, thos is a call to action and not free speech
Louis the THIRTEEN not the 18th. It was a mistake but not a big one. Focus on your reading you sounded tired on this video. Excellent job.
Lol I have always been terrible at Maths xD
My mom’s aunt is from andalucia, she used to constantly change job if it paid a bit more, she was normally payed in pennies when se was young, everyone on her family had to work and lived in a marginal zone of barcelona, nowadays if tou go to her house she will stuff you with all kinds of foods and say you are too slim and have to eat more, very sweet.
I've been subscribed to you for a while, but for some reason the youtube algorithm seems to forget about your content for me and doesn't recommend it much. I'm always stunned by your videos. I have this kind of subconscious idea of history youtubers making animations with meh scripts and meh visuals trying to turn a dime (not an insult to them), but your stuff just blows almost all of that out of the water. Thanks for everything you do.
0:26 It's necessary to clarify that 2017 referendum of 1st of Octuber had a low participation and under age people was able to vote in that referendum (16 years old)
16yo should be allowed to vote anyways.
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You're wrong. The registered turnout was 43%, without counting the 700.000 votes stolen by Spanish police, and only people over 18 was allowed to vote
not true
We also have to take in account how the Spanish police attacked poles, scaring many other catalonians.
Quick correction, Pablo Hasel was charged with crimes of supporting terrorist groups such as ETA as well as death threats towards some people. For this he was sentenced to prison but ended up staying on probation. It was during his time on probation that he insulted the King and thus went to jail. Personally I feel like the law “Injurias contra la Corona” is frankly stupid and anti-democratic, but with that being said, Pablo Hasel has done things that do deserve jail time
Fundamentally, it is a Barcelona bourgeoisie that feels almost as strong as the Madrid bourgeoisie and wishes it could manage its businesses with less intervention from the Central State. That is, to make Catalonia its own playground without having to render accounts to Madrid or having to participate in the common Spanish expenses. But with the benefits of easy access to the Spanish market and the European Union.
No it's not about that we are one of the most profitable parts of Spain so that why Spain use us as a piggy bank to finance the hall of Spain because they are too lazy to work and need government grants/aids
@@omerjameel3524 Im all for independance should the majority call for it, call it my irish ancestory living through me, however making generalising sweeping statements doesnt help premote your cause brother.
@@omerjameel3524 the same argument could be used inside Catalonia with the "poor" rural provinces of Lleida/Girona... vs the rich and urban Barcelona and his minor cities. Are the people of Lleida lazy and fools?
@Sahra Sands so threatening just to stay wow
@Oscar Grove fins i tot si la UE vol que sapin només el veti
Very interesting video indeed. I would only like to clarify that Hasel (the singer who got arrested and is now in jail) has not been arrested just because of his lyrics and the comments about the monarchy. He already has a criminall record of two aggressions, one to a journalist and another one to a witness in a trial .
Similar stuff happens here in Chile, when criminals, and I'm talking about true criminals, the kind that murders, robs people with extreme violence and set shit on fire, get arrested or even shot by the police, people go out protesting claiming abuse of power.
It's ridiculous.
Oh yes sure like Valtonyc???
Like any other musicians? 😅
@@billycorgan3934 Valtonic encouraged people to go to kill Guardias Civiles on a stage after a concert...., apparently it should be legal..., tocate los huevos...
It's funny how you keep bringing examples of Catalonia trying to declare independence and for all of them go like "yeah but this doesn't mean they wanted to be independent eh they just didnt want anything to do with Spain"
You forgot some of his larger crimes, such as how he assaulted a member on the press and early 2010's charges that were "paused", based.
Wow, Catalonia has a long history! Didn't learn this in my school.
American schools?? whoever mentioned american schools haha
@ゴロゴロ what you don't learn about the whole history of every country in the world
Pffff
@ゴロゴロ school kills your creativity
Can you not learn on your own?
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@20:53 Loved getting to know the history on Catalonia, but as you state yourself.... loads of time is put into this creation. Personally I would love to see a 'slower' explanation in several parts. In this way you might even be able to shed some light on certain events, which are now related (ie linkend) to other creations which I haven't seen jet (or I can't, for this creation takes 34 minutes to watch in the first place) Keep up the good work by the way, love what you create!
Fascinating.
Could you look into the Anglophone Crisis in the Cameroons?
This ongoing genocide needs to come to light.
English: I am the true language of Cameroon.
French: No, I am.
Native Languages: Am I a joke to you?
So stupid. Colonialism pisses me off.
Also France did made war against Cameroun indépendantist. Not to mention Biafra war.
It is barely known , in France.
Check James Karl lensi I will get good information about ambazonia an global political situation
I've been living here for 20 years but I'm not even European, so I hope I'm not too biased on this: I can tell you that the independist movement wasn't even that big until recently, just a few outcasts wanted it. You can make all these historical points but actually very few people cared about independence 10 years ago. It exploded on the media when they discovered corruption schemes by a group of key Catalan politicians like Jordi Pujol ( all of Spain is ridded with its own corruption, nothing new ) and these politicians started pushing a strong independentist propaganda and identitarian politics through the local government (Generalitat) which controls local education and TV, they revived the discussion about dictator Franco's repression, started suddenly caring about their unique identity (which is basically building human castles and speaking their language, nothing really that unique or different from Spain) and started claiming Spain is fascist state. You have to know that, according to polls, the majority voting for independence are the more wealthy people, both the independentist right and independentist left (curiously even more the far left, the CUP) and they are the ones with more voice and control over public discussion. Catalonia is very industrialized, it always was an industrial leader historically speaking compared to the rest of Spain, so it has its own group of very influential people who just dont like having Madrid make the decissions when they could just bribe the local leaders, Madrid gets in their way.
As I see it, this movement is mostly recent, mostly nationalistic identitarian, and it has been mostly orchestrated by Catalan oligarchs.
I've discussed this with many Catalan friends and we agree on this, while recognizing that this narrative convinces people because there are still open wounds from the Franco repression that never healed, and the PP party is a direct, living child of Franco's era. So there are always strong reactions when that topic comes out. That aversion is easily exploited to push identitarian populism. Arguments for independence are mostly emotional. Catalans do not suffer, they have super high standards of living, quality of life above the Spanish average, good economy and have full rights to express their identity today, so they claimimg they are being oppressed today rarely gets support anywhere in the world. It's rich kids playing the oppression card.
I dont thin its possible to lie more than you have just done. Congrats!
@@zen370865 Please tell me where I am wrong, Miquel. I'm open to learn more. This is just my opinion as an outsider.
From a catalan point of view:
Catalanism was always there, there wasn't just the need for independece. As said in the video, the pro-independence move mainly started with the "Estatut d'Autonomia", when the majority that voted it, saw how their votes didn't mean shit and got changed for less power for the region. Since Spain didn't satisfy the needs of the catalan people, independence started being something to consider. These days the pro-independence movement is just the old 'catalanism' but claiming more power (actually, all of it).
Feel free to answer. I won't discuss about all the catalan nationalist being orchestred by the burgeosi, since it's basically nonsense and we wouldn't agree on a single bit.
Catalan rich kids are not the ones pushing for independence, that's completely wrong.
Actually it would be the other way around, the biggest business owners disavow the independence movement as it is prompt to cause instability, and that's a no no for business.
However it is indeed true that you can associate moderately wealthy middle class with independence supporters.
That's explained in the video, during Franco's dictatorship there was an important migration of Spanish southerners to the north in seek for better paid industrial jobs, mainly Catalonia which was thriving economically. It is also known that Franco himself had this plan of homogenising the country, to make every part of Spain more "Spanish" and united, and to do so there were efforts from the government to encourage people to migrate all around the country. From these "planned migrations" the most important was to bring Spanish speakers into Catalonia and so be able to reintegrate the region, which had proved to be very rebellious before and during the civil war, and was also left a little bit empty due to the exiles caused by the war.
The result of this MASSIVE (it's not an exaggeration) migration is that most of these new-coming workers ended up gathering and living in the zones were industry was developing, mainly around the already existent Barcelona's industry and other port cities. Nowadays it is known as "Barcelona's industrial belt", a series of highly populated cities with a staunch majority of people descendent from this Spanish immigrants from this epoch. These people tend to be workers that earn low wages and still fill up for most of the industry of the region, they are mainly Spanish speakers and they represent the core of Spanish unionism in Catalonia.
In contrast it is in the rural areas and historical cities where most Catalan descendent people live, scattered throughout all the Catalan territory but much less densely populated, these people tend to speak Catalan and vote for independence.
So if you compare these two types of people that you can find in Catalonia nowadays its obvious that the ones who descent from migrants tend to have less properties and less family support than the original population, hence tend to be poorer. That's why Catalans who support independence are, as a rule of thumb, generally wealthier than Catalans who support unionism.
A good way to check that what I've just wrote is correct is comparing maps of where and what Catalans have voted in elections since democracy was restored. For instance:
Map of latest elections in Catalonia by town: www.eldiario.es/catalunya/mapa-resultados-elecciones-catalanas-14f-municipio-municipio_1_7218588.html
Density population map of Catalonia: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Catalu%C3%B1a-Poblacion-2018.png/198px-Catalu%C3%B1a-Poblacion-2018.png
@@neochris2 it's not as recent as you make it sound. In the 1980s there were plenty of people I knew who dreamt of Catalonia being its own country, but it was not realistic at the time, so we made do with getting more autonomy. Note that we had just gotten out of a brutal dictatorship that prohibited the Catalan language and had attempted to destroy Catalan identity. Present-day movement towards independence can be traced back to 2004 with the attempt to seek further self-reliance via a rewriting of the autonomy statute. Spain's opposition is what pushed Catalans to seek full independence.
As you can see on the flag of Spain:
Top left is Castille (Castle)
Top right is Léon (Lion)
Bottom left is Aragon (Where Catalonia is part of)
Bottom right is Navarra (Part of Baskonia, another region who wants independence)
Spain is thus clearly a union of these 4 kingdoms
You forgot Granada, in the bottom center
@@c8adec oh really? Did not see it. In the center of the coat of arms you can also see the Bourbon dynastic shield
@@callumvantriet2941 Don't worry, I'm just extra picky there because I'm from Granada 😅 And normally we don't get recognition as one of the kingdoms that merged into what is known today as Spain.
@@c8adec as an EU4 player (maybe you’ve heard of the game) I know all about how Spain formed, it’s very interesting
viva españa viva franco
I'm TA'ing a course on Spanish history right now and this is by far the best, most thorough video I've seen about Catalonia and the origins of Catalan nationalism. The only issue I could find is that it's just called "ETA", there's no "the." Like NASA, but more violent.
Its full of errors and pro-independece bias, like saying the last elections had a huge increase in pro independence, the shift was about 1% thats like 51% for independence, taking into account the vote turn over went down about a 40% cause COVID. Not to mention that he presented the 92% pro independence as a serious referendum and not the shit show bannana republic tier it was...
@@manumanitas161 The "Banana Republic" aspect of the referendum was the Spanish Government busing in riot police to harass, intimidate, beat up and arrest citizens who were trying to vote. Not forgetting the lengthy prison sentences handed out to the politicians who organised the referendum. Clearly fascism in Spain did not die with Franco.
@@john-hl5tq Ignore the legal framework, comite a crime and complain about it... XD
Actually, in Spain we say 'la ETA' or ETA' almost interchangeably, so it wouldn't be entirely wrong to say 'the ETA'.
Pablo Hasel was not condemned only because of his disgusting lyrics, he had a number of other legal issues.
I really enjoyed the whole historic backup.
Peace from a Catalan who's fed up with the whole tiresome issue of independence.
Move to Madrid
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan I'm thinking about it.
@@PR-qp8iz hasta luego colono
Pablo Hasel is also arrested for aggression and threat
That is true, but the independentist are not really interested in defending the person of Pablo Hasel but the right to criticize or even insult the monarchy. Therfore, they are not defending all his acts and if he were to only be judged by the acts of aggression no one would be protesting (unless people had the feeling that he were being persecuted for his ideals, i guess).
That’s why I’m assuming it’s not specified in the video.
@@mireiasanchez7746 this is not about independentism, I agree that criticize the monarchy should not be a felony but if you want to change that you have to get the majorities and make all the process in the Parliament. Many people dont even understand the felonies they are criticizing such as insult or slander...
When he was arrested in the university, that was for his music lyrics. It's right that he also has other charges, but all those demonstrations are for the arrest regarding the right of free speech.
Las injurias a la corona no tienen penas de cárcel, sino de multa. El enaltecimiento del terrorismo sumado a las agresiones es lo que hace que acabe en prisión. Para mi ninguno de los delitos de opinión debería existir, el problema es que las mismas personas "defendiendo" la libertad de expresión de Hasel, quemando Barcelona y saqueando tiendas, ponen el grito en el cielo cuando la idiota de la División Azul suelta su discurso y aplauden cuando piden 4 años de cárcel para ella.
@@grecolonsvila Si no tienes antecedentes no puedes ir a la cárcel y menos por algo como eso, no cuela ya tenía varios cargos a sus espaldas .
You should get informed before talking. The 2017 "referendum" was not valid for several reasons:
1) In Spain, the Constitution does not offer the possibility to divide the country; however, the Spanish Constitution admits any kind of change, so the constitutional process is to change it to include that possibility.
2) I don't know how in other countries works, but in Spain, the money of the different autonomous communities is shared among the other communities to help each other. So, as well as many autonomous communities have benefited from Cataluña's money, Cataluña's has also benefited from the rest of Spain's money. So we have a conception that all Spain territory is of all Spanish people; and not that your community is yours and not of the others.
3) Before taking place the "referendum", the Constitutional Court warned Cataluña's government that it was anti-constitutional (because the State government is the only one with the power to do referendum, among other issues).
4) While voting, there were no control of the voters, so you could vote once, and then go to another place to vote for s second time (in fact some people did this).
5) 16 years old people were allowed to vote. In Spain the legal age is 18, because it is considered that you are more mature an less easy influenced than when you are younger.
6)Only 43'3% of the population voted. The people that didn't want to get the independence did not vote. The voting was biased. To illustrate this, in the last elections, the most voted party was PSOE, a not independentist party; and, in total, not independentist parties obtained 1332337 votes, while the independentist parties got 1357696. Nothing to do with a 90% in favour of independency.
Catalonia, especially Barcelona has seen HUUGE development and progress during laste 80s - early 90s mainly because of the olympics. I was amazed to see how much was done during these years, the ronda, port olimpico, Montjuic stadium, the freaking beach, entire neighbourhoods etc. That kind of investment surely didn't come from local budget but from all of Spain. I think Catalan forget that it's 2021 and we live in a diverse multicultural world and the only way forward is unity not extreme nationalism. They want out of Spain but still in EU.. lol
@@ag.3820 Spanish unity is precisely the opposite of multiculturalism. For instance, as it stands, the Spanish constitution explicitly says that all Spaniards have to duty to learn Spanish while most of the public opinion regards the existence of other languages as a stubborn nuisance rather than a source of richness and diversity. On top of that, there is this constant paternalism that suggests that Catalonia would have never developed if it hadn't been for Spain. To me, all of this sounds like Spanish supremacism, and it is rather the opposite of the multiculturalism that you say you process. Diversity in 2021? Ok then, perhaps it is time to teach in Catalan or Basque in schools from Madrid, or to make them official languages in the EU, or to have armed forces than don't vote massively for Vox, or to not constantly depose Catalonian presidents and detain rappers with biased judges, or perhaps to allow Catalonians to FREELY choose what is their political relationship with Spain in a peaceful way... Or does any of this somehow go against multiculturality?
@@miquelcolom7132 European Union is exactly that, the unity of a mix of cultures. I want to believe the future erases this ideas of “I speak this I am different than you and I want to make my own rules”. Based on this logic all the countries in Europe should be split in a thousand pieces. To me Catalonia is pretty independent as it is, has it’s own government, language that is thought in school over Spanish which is in minority etc.
@@ag.3820 Every culture and region has its own history, values, strengths, weaknesses, and problems therefore the EU’s one size fits all style of rules does not work and that is partly why you are seeing the growth of so many anti-EU sentiments across the EU countries.
@@miquelcolom7132 you realize 48% of the population of barca does not want out of spain? and why are you bringing up armed forces and what party they voted for, they can vote for which ever party they feel like. if you don't agree with them you don't need to include it into your arguement because it has nothing to do with what your saying.
Fascinating stuff. Definitely helps understand the situation a little more. Thanks ✊🏾
Fun fact: During the 70s and 80s were many punks bands in spain that their lyrics talked about ETA and the government didn't send them to jail
yeah i think its mostly because he insulted the crown rather than the ETA stuff
None of the ones from that time (at least not the popular ones) directly supported ETA in their lyrics. You might hear chants at concerts though.
@@aguspuig6615 You can't go to jail for insulting the crown, so no. He went to jail because he supported terrorism and the murder of politicians.
Amazing video mate!
I think it’s the opposite of what you said the industrial centers of Barcelona and Tarragona and the upper classes are less independentist than the rural areas 22:24
The urban lower classes are usually less independentist since they are descendents of andalusian and southern spanish people
@@alvaro6587 Basically.
interesting to think that there's a viable alternate timeline out there where Spain and Portugal are united and Catalonia is independent.
Well, if Catalonia had not joined Spain, France would have annexed Catalonia.
@@r.ladaria135 uhh Catalonia never joined Spain
Spain was the Union between the crown of Castille and the Crown of Aragon (which included Catalonia) under the Catholic monarchy
@@curry- if not in Spain, Now we would be french . And probably the csyalan would have died.
The only reason Catalonia is not independent is because there is a sizable portion of spanish immigrants from 1950-80 that now make an approximate 50% of the region's population. Polls show that if you have 4 catalan speaking grandparents, 87% of people want independence, whereas 4 grandparents born outside catalonia, only 15% want independence.
And the real problem lays there. Everybody knows and understands it, even babies, but it's taboo to talk about it.
Well catalonia has been part of spain for centuries. Its inevitable that many have mixed familys. Most people wont vote to straddle their famiy accross a border. Even with open borders it complicates things as different legal jurisdictions can affect things like healthcare, next of kin, inheritance.
Immigration is also a growing trend globally and especially accross the EU. The world is moving towards integration. National sentiments aside, spliting economies, reducing the pool of accessable universities, spliting families (both catalans in the rest of spain and other spaniards in catalonia) etc etc just doesn't make logical sense.
@@danielforrester5265 'splitting families' argument is bullshit. Small minority. True catalans don't have families throughout spain. Only people who live in catalonia but are not culturally or linguistically catalan do. Ethnic catalans will never stop trying to regain their land back. They feel like as different to spanish people as portuguese. Your argument will be valid when portugal goes inside spain.
@@EduNauta95 Riiiight cause people dont move for work, education etc and inter-marry..... Do you not think mixed race exist? Like it or not, racial purity of any individual is rare if not unlikely. Most people are of mixed ancestory even if its just a few %.
Your line of thinking is borderline racist and supremist. Not very democratic to just disregard so many catalans as not 'true' catalans over mixed blood. Is a half catalan who speaks catalan amd born in catalonia not catalan to you? Pretty narrowminded if thats how you think
@@danielforrester5265 a catalan is not about genes, is about someone who lives in a catalan way. Most imigrant people and mixed people don't live in a catalan cultural way. They live in a spanish way. Being catalan is not superior to spanish, this is not about supremacism. It about setting differences clearly what castillian/spanish supremacist nationalism has wanted to muddle and make dissappear since the middle ages. Catalans are still here. They wont go anywhere. Catalonia is catalan land. Those who are 'mixed' will have to adapt or live elsewhere in the 'great spanish country'. Facts.
That rapper guy's in prison for about 37 different crimes, and a lot of them violent ones, not for criticizing the king. And anyway he didn't criticize the crown, he insulted them in a violent way and made what's called a "hate speech". It has nothing to do with Spain having no freedom of speech.
Great Video! I have a Friend in Spain who lives in Barcelona and She told me she has always been against the independence movement, i always wondered why :/
because she lives in barcelona, the least independentist place in the whole of catalonia...?
Becouse there is no reason to be an independentist if you don't feel you want the independence...
@@saint_gales Not the least lol it's 50/50 in the capital more or less. It's acc the surrounding cities of Barcelona who have the least independentists
Because she has common sense and doesn't believe independentist propaganda
Because she doesn't feel like a victim because she is not a victim, in fact she is in a region of Spain which has enjoyed previleged from the Spanish goverment
Even though, it was half an hour, i really enjoyed this
It’s essential that you check the facts before creating a video like this. Pablo Hasel was NOT condemned because of ‘freedom of speech’ issues. He was incarcerated because he assaulted a witness and he beat a journalist, as well as other things such as praising terrorism. I think you should take this more seriously than just reading the newspaper headlines from misinformed media.
Awesome pronunciation my dude, keep it up! Just wanted to point out that Hasel is also being imprisoned for threatening a witness and throwing cleaning products over a journalist in a protest. Keep it up, loved your recent runes video
Philip V imposed on Spain a unitary polity on Spain (in emulation of France), which was completely unsuited to the country, having had up until that point more of a federal structure.
I think the federal system is the most suited to humans. Have local states, with a formal union. Ala Germany, the USA, etc.
@@shorewall so long as, unlike the US, diverse political parties are allowed to run, instead of just two.
Imagine if the northern spanish catalans and the southern french occitans united into a new country. A cool idea except i would no longer be french and now technically be occitan/catalan since the soutern half of france is technically the cultural, ethnic region of occitan.
les occitans tous comme les catalans sont en fait francais d un point de vue "ethnique" tout comme par exemple les corses sont plutôt italien d un point de vue ethnique !meme si la france n a pas vraiment une ethnie particulière . mais bon tous ca n a plus vraiment de sens aujourd'hui ! l europe del ouest s est tellement mélangé ! nous avons tous des liens historique fort entre francais , allemands , italiens , espagnols , britanniques , belges et hollandais !
@@roms4154 Im french and spanish. But yes i identify as more french than anything else. Also i dont really like the british or germans but i agree with the rest
@@lukethomeret-duran5273 it's not a question to like or not ! the link between our people and nations is a fact !
@@roms4154 dont worry ive studied french ethnic history and if anything has shaped my opinion
@@roms4154 We are only ethnically french in as so far as to say we are descended of the Gallo-Romans and partially the Franks, but we are more Gallo-Roman than Frankish, unlike the north of France, thereby Id actually say us Occitans and Catalans are in fact Gallic, or Galloroman, not French.
History with Helbert! You have got a very accurate Spanish pronunciation. Congrats!! Btw: I love your videos ^^
Good video as always my good sir even if I just started it.
I remember playing CK2 I started as The Duke or county of Barcelona and the first thing I did was to become king of Aragon, that indeed was different from the Kingdome of Leon
26:18 In fact this is not true. The Mossos d'Escuadra closed the election places, but they did it calmly and without violence. The Guardia Civil try it with violence.
Also, I think is important to say that by that time catalan people trusted quite more in Mossos d'Escuadra than in the Guardia Civil, because just a few month before happened the terrorist attack in Barcelona and it was the Mossos d'Escuadra who took care of the victims, solved the case and stopped the terrorists, not the Guardia Civil or the CNI (CNI is like the spanish CIA).
In fact, right now the terrorist attack in BCN is in the spoylight again because of the testimony of an ex-agent of the CNI, who said that the CNI knew the terrorist attack was about to happen but they didn't do what they should have done to stop it because they wanted to "scary Catalonia a little bit". Then the situation got out of their control and the terrorist really atrack happened. Is not confirmed yet if this statement is true but, knowing some CNI precedents, it could be actually true.
Anyway. We are living kinda crazy times with a lot of manipulation and violation of some rights. A lot of shit that isn't explained in this video has been and is still going on. Cause this is quite deeper than what it seems. Is not only histoeical facts anymore, is also the stuff going on nowadays.
Spaniards: dude, our country is so lame
Catalonians: yeah, I think we should leave
Also spaniards: *oh no no, you stay here*
Actual Catalan Independentists: we are a superior class of people and we are so cool, we want more money and if we fuck up, Spain should rescue us again. Damn Spaniards.
No, you may not leave. If we have to suffer the other half of Spain you too.
@@meinkopf3855 That is not how Spain works man, practicly all the money that the Spanish Government has, is money from Catalonia. In Catalonia we don't want more money, we want OUR money.
@@meinkopf3855 come again? Have you actually watched the video? It says that Catalonia is one of the most richest regions in Spain, second only to Madrid which has 19.2% of national GDP while Catalonia has 19.0%. If you consider this on top of all the bullshit coming from the central government which primarily benefits Madrid itself, you'll see that the situation is, in fact, the oppose of what you said.
@@Eteriaa of course Madrid has recently surpassed Catalonia economically because it has only been the capital of Spain for a few years... (sarcasm)
This is very interesting. At this time, with Scotland being flirting with independence, it might not be as apropos to ask why Spain doesn't consider the British model, El Reino Unido de Iberia, if not Los Estados Unidos de España.
They already do. Catalonia is an autonomous community of Spain. Different communities have different degrees of autonomy, and Catalonia is one of the three most autonomous communities (the other two being Galicia and the Basque Country).
@@JonSeverinsson My last trip to Barcelona was a few years after the fall of Franco. I would usually try to use travellers guide Spanish, but found that got me hostility in Catalonia. I started to introduce all requests with, "Perdóname, mi lengua materna es el inglés y hablo muy poco español .... " This usually got a smile and, "Good, we don't speak Spanish here and prefer English."
The political problem may be moving in the right direction, too, but if it is not resolved permanently it can flare up at any time. I am surprised that EU integration hasn't done a more thorough job, though.
@@JMM33RanMA I'm not saying the political problem is solved, just that the British model won't help, as Catalonia already have more devolved powers than Scotland.
@@JonSeverinsson Oh, I see. My understanding was seriously outdated.
To call it Reino Unido de Iberia is just as ill-advised as calling the islands of Great Britain and Ireland the "British Isles"
Step 1: be early
Step 2: insert funny joke about being early
Step 3: profit
Pablo Hasel-hoff, a lone crusader in a dangerous world. The world of the Knight Rider.
Pablo Hasel creating hassle for Spanish government in Madrid.
It is the natural progression of history for European nations - they always seek to break off into smaller and smaller national states.
@The505Guys they’re still recent in their empire swallowed up all the small ethnic states phase i think
@The505Guys It's because large chunks of their territory was already lost after both world wars.
@The505Guys well they're only recently unified I doubt they want to start splitting up again after all the hard work they put in.
People also want to break away when they're suffering in some way, and in Germany peoples lives are very good, there is no real reason for any areas to break off.
@The505Guys the eastern lands had a significant population wanted to be part of Poland before WWI, though a lot of that stopped because of the land given to the new polish republic
Rural areas tend to be independentist. Urban areas (around Barcelona and the coast) tend to be unionist. Within social classes, the highest classes are unionist, with middle and high-middle independentist, and low and middle-low classes unionist.
The main factor is ethnolinguistic identity (most unionists are Spanish-speaking and they or their parents come from other regions) except for the highest classes which simply fear Catalonia becoming a rump state and prefer the statu quo.
aixi de simple
Catalonia: We are uniquely different from the rest of Spain!
Basque Country: We are uniquely different from the rest of Spain!
Galicia: We are uniquely different from the rest of Spain!
The rest of Spain: We are uniquely different from the rest of Spain!
You should produce a video about the Basque country and Galícia
And Portugal ;)
Well done. Gives a good idea of what's going on in Catalunya. Informative !
Very informative video Hilbert! It's a very interesting but complicated subject and I see lots of similarities here in Flanders. Greetings
Its full of errors and pro-independece bias, like saying the last elections had a huge increase in pro independence, the shift was about 1% thats like 51% for independence, taking into account the vote turn over went down about a 40% cause COVID. Not to mention that he presented the 92% pro independence as a serious referendum and not the shit show bannana republic tier it was...
@@manumanitas161 exactly , Gilbert set the video on initial wrong assumptions, and omit relevant information along the video....,apart from suggesting that offense to crown can take to jail, nobody goes to Jail for offending the crown, it is just fine ( which I disagree by the way)
He did state that the 2017 referendum wasn't representative because everyone who would vote against didn't vote as per legislation of the Spanish government.
@@mauritsponnette Yeah, he said 20 minutes into the video... I havent seen it but it creates a strong bias if you say it in minute 0 and then elaborate over that for 20 minutes....
Also the statement that independentist made a HUGE surge.... The HUGE surge was in people not showing up to vote since TurnOut went down 25% es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elecciones_al_Parlamento_de_Catalu%C3%B1a_de_2021
He also forget to say that the industrialization of Catalonia come from the protection of manufactured good by the Spanish State...., people were obliged during centuries to buy whatever was manufactured in catalonia by tarifing so expensively goods from abroad...., Catalonia has created wealth under the protection of the Spanish state, no by creating a competitive industry, but Gilbert forget to say that, as many things....
Really like your video! It good to see someone just present the facts without a political agenda.
As you asked for opinions here is mine:
I sympathize with the Catalan cause as I was born in Barcelona and my family is from Navarre and the Basque Country. However I don't think that independence is the solution. It is important to preserve unity and solidarity with all people regardless of nationality or cultural background. Especially in Europe where even once powerful Nations like Germany and France no longer play a major role in World politics, smashed between the world powers. Considering this I think that the hole Idea of the independent European Nation-state is obsolete.
I disagree with the imprisonment of Catalan politicians and artist because I'm a firm believer in free speech and dialogue. With dialogue between the Catalans and the Spanish I think a compromise can be found. It is obvious that the monorachy as a Relic of the medieval age is no longer viable. It is obvious that a modern Spain should ambrese Republicanism and reorganize itself into a federated State.
(Sorry if there are any misspellings or grammatical errors. English is not my first language and I'm still learning. Thanks.)
Excellent work! The best video I've seen on the subject, thanks a lot. I'm a Catalan independentist by the way.
And why exactly do you want independance?
@@javimoya9963 Same reasons any other nation wants to be independent, so we are not ruled by our neighbors.
@@javimoya9963 Incidentally our neighbors happen to hate us, so it's also about ending centuries long oppression and preserving our culture.
Thanks for this video.
Very interesting 👌
Hilbert, Pablo Hasel has gone to prison for what we know as accumulation of sentences. He hit a trail witness, he force the entrance to a public building and, finally, he has made those songs. Media has twist the story to make a case of it, this guys is not an angel.
I think some more maps and visual features in the video would be really helpful in understanding and keeping track of the history better.
Oh boy, what a nice video about the Catalan situation, I sure hope the comment section is not a shitshow!
(cool video btw)
it really is full of idiots
VISCA CATALUNYA LLIURE //*//
It's the Dutch anthem running gag that made me subscribe, it's just that funny you think about every possible situation in your videos to include this.
Dude he’s not being imprisoned because of the lyrics, in spain you can’t be imprisoned for “injurias a la corona” he’s being imprisoned for assault to a reporter, assaulting a witness, trespassing and others but he wants everybody to think that he’s being imprisoned for his songs ☠️
Maybe is that case, but there are many people that had been arrested or had to leave first. Spain is the country with more artists incarcerated because the ideology of their work. Pablo Hasel is the tip of the issue.
@@monicavelazquezrodriguez3035 yeah well, not for their art, unless its an terrorist propaganda :), for example valtonyc (one of the more known cases) feld to belgium, i don’t know him personaly but many of my friends do, he literally told a hole crowd to go kill policemen one night various times, his lirycs are full of death threats and lies so of course he was condemned :)
@@Maximusvgcc Vox organised an entire march with antisemite speeches, and an oficial general of the army said he would execute 26 million of people.That's not a "threat of terrorism"? It's only terrorism if they are againts the current elites..
@@Maximusvgcc based on your comment, all punk singers should be incarcerated.
@@monicavelazquezrodriguez3035 hahahaha yeah sure... punk singuers dont promote terrorism, he did
It's funny that you have discovered to me that ther has been any kind of terrorist separatist organization in the Canary Islands! LOL. Really, you should check on that because I've never heard of such and I've been a spaniard myself for 49 years.
Besides that, I love learning the history of my own country from foreign sources - they tend to be quite more impartial than the ones you can come by here. Good work!
I think he is talking about the Fuerzas Armadas Guanches, the militar branch of the Movimiento por la Autodeterminación e Independencia del Archipiélago Canario (MPAIAC). While they were not as active as ETA for example they did exist and it even had a mortal victimn. And I do know that they were a very small group but they were considered a terrorist organitzation by the Spanish Government
@@victorpujadasaltemir8747 Well thanks for the info. Once again, it's funny I have to learn these things here. However, it's a bit of a failure for a terrorist gang not to be known by their own countrymen for their criminal merits or motivations (I wish it'd happen more often, we had more than enough suffering ETA for decades)
I remember thier leader was killed in Algeria
Perfect video. I am from Spain and you have done a really good content
One small note, in 19:38 when you say that a catalan army was meant to arrive to French Catalonia to take it over, it was actually the other way arround, a group of left-wing pro-independence catalan exiles were organizing there to buy weapons and try and invade Catalonia to cause a popular uprising with the final objective of overthrowing Primo de Rivera and forming a new catalan state, but was ousted by an Italian fascist spy, that whistleblowed the whole operation to the French Police. In fact the one who planned all of it was the same man that later proclaimed the catalan republic in 1931 (a couple of hours before the second Spanish republic was proclaimed) after his party, ERC (Republican Left of Catalonia, a Left-wing catalan nationalist party) won the elections, and that's the same political party that got the most votes of the independentist parties regional elections a couple of weeks ago.
1:50 in fact, perhaps due to the pandemic or other factors, the total number of votes has been 53% of the population compared to other elections in previous years: 2,874,610 votes in 2021, compared to 79% ( 4,115,807) of the year 2017. Although the number of seats is the same or a little higher, the support that the parties are having is less and less. With these data we cannot affirm that the independence movement is growing or decreasing.
We can't determine how many people actually want independence unless there's an actual referendum, which won't happen as long as Spain decides to stick to its guns. The problem is it's very likely these guns will end up jamming.
@@guillemmoreno5522 Surely we are not going to see a Catalan republic, neither you nor I, nor such a referendum in these circumstances. But what I can see is that the Spanish, or at least the Catalans, are beginning to understand that all the politicians of one side or the other are the same oligarchy interested in their own pockets and not people interested in people's problems.
@@guillemmoreno5522 el problema es que lo justo es que votasen todos los españoles pero claro los indepes no quieren por que saben que no van a ganar
@@manuelcorpasgarcia625 Obviamente que no se haria asi, dime si el referendum escoces o del Quebec se hizo asi xdd. Igualmente, si se hiciera un referendum en cataluña, legal digo, dudo que ganaran los indepes
@@grauzamorapol Que esos dos se hiciesen asi no significa que fuera justo para todos los ciudadanos de gran bretaña
If they break away from Spain then winning the World Cup just becomes easier.
Barcelona have been shite in the UCL lately so it probably wouldn't be too big of a difference for the Spanish team
@Thomas shevchuk The new revolutionary guards already happened
@@nikolaradulovic5283 I think he means it'll be easier for the Dutch to win 😎
I really don't understand why they want independence
Being a rich region doesn't make your region a bread basket like let's say Ireland was pre-independence from Britian
It comes off a bit like they just think they're better than the Castillians and want independence because of that
Catalonia is basically Bavaria but more extreme
We’re rich so we’re better xD
Well, the reason of independece is to have more autonomi to grow in the social and economical way. This can be done without independence, in my opinion I think it would be better if we could get that autonomi without independence, but it's not that easy and the independenc it's just a direct path to that autonomi
There are many reasons. Some of them:
1. We are a Nation and we have the right of self-determination.
2. Spain threatens our Catalan language and culture instead of promoting them. An independent State will allow our culture to survive and develop.
3. Castilians love their King. We Catalans don't want to be serfs of any King. Independence is the way to get a Republic.
4. Spain doesn't invest enough in the Catalan Countries. It has been decades of spoliation now. They spend most of our money in Madrid, and a lot of that is going directly to the pockets of Spanish oligarchy and aristocracy.
We are not better than anyone. For centuries we have been fighting against the repression of the disguised Spanish fascist state. Everything goes against us, you will never understand it if you do not come here. They don’t give us a voice because they want to tread (and have already done so) our culture, and so try to make us forget our main purpose, as we saw on October 1, 2017. We will persist until we become independent, for our own good and for our land. There are so many reasons…
@@santakosoundsystem7542 you are wrong on everything. 1 Catalonia is not a nation. 2 Spain does not threatens cooficial languages and they are taught in school. 3 The desire of a republic is spread all over Spain, stop thinking that Spanish people are all Vox voters. 4 Catalonia is the one that gets the most money in the state budgets while its not the autonomous region that makes the most money, that being Madrid
It has allways srike me that you have an interest in spanish history
You forgot to mention how in the last election were it appears to be an increase in support for Catalan independence parties there was also record highs in non-participation in the elections, extremists never miss a vote, the rest who know it doesn’t matter as it is an idiotic cause tend to not vote, they don’t care.
Meaning, people who neither are for nor against, because if they felt strongly about either they'd go vote.
@@FOLIPE No, the people who are against listen to the national government that says the vote is illegal, and don't participate because it would be breaking the law.
They come froma 38%of population in catalonia to vote for independence in an illegal referendum to a 26%that vote for separatist parties. This video is separatist propaganda
@@vantianrais1593 How a english video from a endlish person is separatist propaganda xd. I reaaaally can understand how salty are the people of both sides...
Do you forget the elections were only set in february because PSOE wanted to do the elections that day, and the others parties opposed? Because THERE IS A FUCKING VIRUS?
Not knowing much about the current Catalonian political make up... My gut instinct is that those southern Andalusian poor factory workers would be to this day (their descendants) in the urban areas. And I would think that the rural native Catalonian are more pro union bc they are probably more conservative, in contrast to the more liberal/euro-socialistic urbanites in Barcelona
@Raul Armas Serina ohh
@@davsalda you are correct. The immigrants from the south and their descendants are mainly in the outskirts of large cities, such as Barcelona. Some of the descendants integrated and became fully Catalan in regards to their sense of identity but others chose to remain Spanish. That is why pro independence is found more in villages.
Fascinating video, enjoyed it alot.
Really good video with lots of historical Facts! Congratulations
It's all a really good video, the only mistake is that the rural regions are more pro independence than the cities
Now it's time for "why Silesia wants autonomy or independence?"
I've travelled and worked with a few people from Catalonia and they were all happy to have a candid, adult conversation about its independence status. I guess this in itself is a fair insight into part of the culture there, what surprised me was the range of opinions shared, even amongst close groups of friends. Only one of them was of full Spanish heritage and he didn't really care either way (as he felt like a part of both Spain and Barcelona) and both were bittersweet for him. Two were of 50/50 Spanish/Catalan heritage, one said he felt Spanish not Catalan and didn't care so much, the other felt Catalan to the core and was fully pro-independence. The 'full' Catalans I knew either didn't care so much or were pro-independence (a couple were HARDcore for independence) except for one girl that wanted to stay because "Espana is fucked without us", lolz. The fact that they were all good, intelligent people that could have a civil conversation on a touchy subject like this, without it souring relationships, was impressive to me (in this day and age anyways). Freedom for Catalunya!
Yes, that's all we want. Freedom. Freedom to decide for ourselves, a fair decision. ♡
A spanish watching this tells you some information is misleading such as the reasons of Pablo Hassel arrest
Un vídeo muy bueno Hilbert
Because. Spain has denied the political and culture rights of the people.
Very Informative; thank you.
Couple corrections/additions:
-The 2017 referendum had a 43% turnout, not 55%, as the Catalan government itself stated (estaticos.elperiodico.com/resources/pdf/4/3/1507302086634.pdf)
-"Voting for independence is sedition" is a bit of an oversimplification in regards to the Constitutional Court's argument, there were several other reasons why they deemed the referendum illegal, namely:
*The power to authorize popular referendums belongs to the central government.
*The Pro-independence parties passed the Referendum Bill with a majority of 55%, as opposed to a 2/3 majority that was needed to modify the Statute of Autonomy of Catalonia.
*The Referendum Bill was made public literally an hour before parliament convened, and it was published without the consent of the General Secretary of Parliament. By law, MPs need to know what they are going to vote on 48 hours before any discussion starts
*The Bill was rushed through parliament, given only 2 hours for adding amendments, which was done in absence of any opposition parties
*And last and least, the referendum failed to meet the Venice Commission's guidelines for referendums (Which aren't actually binding as far as I know, but still should be considered)
Anyway, I'm loving these last videos you've been making, hope to see more in the near future!
Although the the bill process was rushed and could have been much better, the process in itself was deemed to be lawfull in court. So, even if the process was used as an excuse only the content of the law was really the problem.
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"It follows from the preceding that the parliamentary process which resulted in Law 19/2017 incurred in many grave infractions to legislative procedure, which undoubtedly affected the judgement of the chamber, the rights of minorities and the rights of citizens to participate in public matters through their representatives"
Very interesting and well made video
Scotland and Catalonia: we wanna go independent!
Britain: okay vote, oh you want to stay, well you can't vote on it again for a couple decades
Spain: *v i o l e n c e and a r r e s t s*
Not that Britain is good, just, you know, it isn't Spain about it.
@@deiniolbythynnwr926 and when one day a bomb appears in front of the Parliament building, you'll have the nerve to ask yourself "How did this happen?"
UK doesn't have a constitution but Spain does and in Spain is illegal like Germany or France
Kinda out of place, but i really want an answer from Hilbert. So how do you feel about the absence of patriotism from a lot of western europeans?
Its the white guilt they are feeling
@@HH-ni5hm they are overworked and thus too tired.
@@ThePhoenix109 If you consume enough leftist media you'd also believe that being white is wrong. Nationalism is okay only if youre not white.
Oh look, people who oversimplify to justify their idiotic beliefs....
Stop mixing ethnic pride with national pride...
@@JurrBTful Sure I agree, White people are losing their "ethnic pride" and guess what happens after that? Theyd lose their patriotism soon after.
Not "some Catalans", the Catalans want. The ones who don't want are Spanish who went to live to Catalonia and don't want to accept the culture that welcomed them, sadly.
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Cant wait for my country to split apart into flanders and wallonia. And its becoming more possible every year
Now that Scotland is outside the EU the race for causing the first secessionism-based EU crisis is between Catalonia and Flanders as other independentist movements in the EU seem to be asleep. I wish you all the luck but then again I want my Catalonia to win the race. Go Catalonia! Go!
PS: Thank you for keeping Puigdemont safe, my secessionist pals ;)
@@enricmm85 i think itll sooner be flanders than catalonia considering flanders is more than half of belgium and catlonia is a smaller part of big spain. But who knows, crazier things have happened in this world
@@enricmm85 Compare 1930s Nazi Germany vs 2020s Communist China in your next video project before it's too late
It always sucks being on the wrong side during a civil war
pablo hasel wasnt imprisoned for what you said, insulting the royal family only makes you pay a fine. The real reason is because he had been in brawls
This was an excellent video. As a catalan (pro-independence) point of view I found it very balanced, and you talked about pretty much everything you had to.
There's just 2 things I'd change:
-As a minor change, the latest election graph was somewhat confusing, PSOE + VOX bars look taller than all the pro-independece parties bar, which may lead to believe unionism was more popular than secessionism. Pro-independece parties got an historic 51% of the vote and a huge majority in the parliament.
-As to Pablo Hasel's detention, it's right that many catalans support him for the national aspect but I'd say more people do support him for being republican (against the monarchy). There's many places in Spain, very unionist places, that also demonstrated for him.
And finally, something I would've added in the video is the imprisionment of the entire catalan government after the 1st of October independence referendum, some people like Carles Puigdemont escaped into exile seeking EU's protection, but those who didn't are still imprisioned, with senteces of up to 13 years. That fueled the pro-independence move a good deal from 2015 until today.
Hasel isnt in prison bc of what he said about the king, that is blantandly false, he is in prison for asault (many times has he ben prosecuted for that) , exaltating terrorist groups like ETA. Insulting the king is one of the charges but not the reason for him going there, but people saw that and ran with it and are now breaking and stealing shops etc, in the name of "free speech" but its completly idiotic.
But its true that spain has a rocky relationship with the monarks and politicians but that is in every autonomous región of spain