I have the 22 Kona nline with 7sp dual clutch. Which I’ve grown to love and the gas mileage 33mpg. I think my car is more attractive but I do love the interior of the 24 nline.
Picked mine up 2 days ago. Very happy with my purchase. Looks fun, is fun to drive and the space is perfect for a family. That transmition in the 1.6t awd is very responsive. No complaints at all.
I have a 2022 KIA Forte GT, with the 7-speed dual clutch. Unless you're driving anywhere in New York City, or one of the boroughs like Brooklyn for example, the 7 speed is absolutely no problem whatsoever. In fact, mine is surprisingly smooth. The 7 speed works so good with the 1.6-liter, 201 horsepower engine.
I sure am glad I bought my Kona N in 2022, while the gettin' was good. The 2.0 L turbo engine/8 sp wet dual clutch transmission drive train performs like something out of a dream, and is something you would expect to find only in a car costing twice as much. I just dialed down the suspension to its most compliant setting, and otherwise drive the car in normal mode most of the time. My only complaint: The Pirreli P Zero tires might be great for track day but they're inappropriate for everyday driving around town. Plus, they're road hazard magnets. I only got about 5,000 miles out of original set on my car before two were taken out by indeterminate metal objects. I replaced all four with the Pirelli P Zero Elect, which is a far more durable tire. Although ostensibly designed for electric vehicles, the Pirelli P Zero Elect has enhanced the rubber-meets-the-road performance of my Kona N in every way that matters, both on daily drives around town and spirited road trips. And no, I don't bemoan the fact that the car doesn't have a sun roof. 😉
@MotoManTV, I wish you UA-camrs would address the current car buying environment that we are living in. You mention the Toyota Prius as a competitor to this car as if someone actually has a chance at buying one. I haven't seen the new Prius on the road and I live in a very large city. Toyota dealers don't have them and the ones that do have them on their lots have them marked up so high that they are not affordable. I blame Toyota for this. They are either purposely not making a lot of them to drive up the price or they haven't fully recovered from the chip shortage issue and can't make enough cars to match demand. I watch all of you guys; you, TFL, Alex on Autos, the Canadian couple, Tom Volk, etc. All of you guys are reviewing cars that most people can't get their hands on. It's very frustrating. The one car that I could probably get quite easily (the Tesla Model Y) is the one that I don't want.
I wish viewers would watch our episodes that are not car reviews . . . We have covered the very topic you mention in gory detail with specific examples. In fact, have done most of them in conjunction with TFL . . . You can see examples: Here: ua-cam.com/video/0lbxSiRZd68/v-deo.html Here: ua-cam.com/video/ztghuJfKAgI/v-deo.html And here . . . ua-cam.com/video/yHDleR7hJL8/v-deo.html There are more, but these should address your concerns . . . And I speak on behalf of everyone you mentioned in your list, friends with all of them, we would LOVE it if you guys watched more of our non car review episodes.
@@MotoManTV I watch 99% of your videos (the interviews with the car designers/head honchos don’t interest me) so I know that you’ve talked about it. However, when I’m watching a car review video and you or one of your fellow UA-cam buddies talk about these cars like they’re so easy to get, It’s just a bit frustrating. I feel like you should start every review by saying “You probably can’t purchase this car, but if you could, let me tell you what you would experience.” 🫣
Not at all realistic. As you may have seen, we drive most of these cars well before they hit the market and there is no way to predict what the sales environment will be. If we do see unusual trends from the market, we will be more than happy to discuss it when prudent. Yes, there are anomalies like the Huracan Tecnica that was already sold out before it hit dealers. Cases like those, more than happy to share the reality. That said, it greatly helps ALL channels like these (not just car channels) to watch at least part of all of our videos as it supports the channel. Appreciate you joining us on this journey.
Motoman. I bought a 2018 Kona limited the last one you presented the Kona. This time I will not be getting one because of the price. They want 35k here in Roseville California . For that money I can move up to midsize crossover and get a Mazda CX-50. It is a lot more than I paid for my Limited Kona
That is my main issue with cars in this class crossing into US$35,000 and more . . . and the reason I see these as value when they are US$27,000 or less *with the right equipment*.
I keep confusing the Kona with the Venue. Was almost shocked at the weight til I thought “no no, Rogue size”. On the premise of fun? I doubt that. On the premise of a dependable transport with some life in it? Yeah certainly. If it was my money, its either the Elantra or the Sonata from the same manufacturer, cause I like sedans and don’t have children to transport
As being a previous kona owner that dct was fun yes depending on how you set off.. it will faceplant itself but once you get the idea how to get off the line it happened to me rarely
Having seen this car in hybrid version here in the last couple of months i have to say that somehow works. Not for me but it´s way more pleasant and grown up that last Kona was. Not a fan of some quality bits of hyundai interiors but i guess somewhere needs to show the price compare to its competition. To me this car looks a lot like Robocop helmet, i can´t unsee it since the first time i saw it in the streets. Having driven the last model Kona ev i have to say that i´m really not a fan of it. Nothing wrong for basic driving and it´s an efficient vehicle for sure but i can´t drive it and think about buying it, no way in a million years. There are plenty options in the market but i get the price of this car and what it offers being a huge win for it.
All good points, Javi. Hyundai has done a great job with design and other bits but need to laser focus on the bits I mentioned in this episode and others. It's laughable, mainly because the hard cost to fix these issues would be around US$20/unit.
@MotoManTV completely agree MM, one can tell how much care they put in some areas and others are a bit left out. Still a good option in its segment but some bits seem to be so easy and cheap to upgrade for them if they want.
I’d add to the wish list the AWD rear suspension to the FWD. Cost nothing to design, yet raises the base line of entire line up. It would keep the rear stadium seating comfortable by not tipping all passengers around. Nice timing on the USB-C’s with the other big reveal today. 👍🏼 12:49
As much as I love Mazdas, the tech in the Kona Limited is worth the price for consumers like me. I would argue that some sedans beat out the CX-30 of the only metrics you are looking at is performance per dollar.
Hadn't been to Baltimore in a number of years . . . The city needs new management if it is to have any hope of turning around the now very steep decline.
Is it that affordable? My '23 Nissan Rogue FWD I recently picked up for just about $30K flat has a multilink rear, is bigger, higher fuel economy (37mpg highway), quiet, and at 205hp is good enough for 8 seconds to 60 which is fine for running errands and passing on the highway. I couldn't wait for the refreshed Kona to release unfortunately, but now that it has, the cheapest FWD variant on the build tool is $32K and does only 32mpg. Much nicer infotainment and what not, but not REALLY that cheap IMO.
@@v60polestar88 New generation CVT-X on 22+ models works well, and most companies are going to them. The non-turbo Kona (the majority that will be produced) is also CVT.
@@BoopSnoot No most econobox cars are equipped with them. Even Nissan is moving toward the 9 speed auto. CVT are literally the worst transmission. Why do u think u never really see CVT in luxury brands. It’s a crappy transmission
@@v60polestar88 I hate to break this to you, but the Kona is an econobox, lol! Its not an Audi. Subaru is using CVTs in all its vehicles, even the $50K Ascent Touring model. Every manufacturer is using them, even the Lexus ES 300h, LC 500h, LS 500h, NX 350h, NX 450h Plus (PHEV), RX 450h, RX 450hL, UX 200, UX 250h are all CVT.
As you know, we don't feature Ford on this show . . . That said, every once in a while I let one sneak in . . . not certaini how the Mustang will shape up.
@@MotoManTV No Ford?! I didn't know, and I've been watching for years! I know you like the Euro imports, but some variety might do your channel some good. 👍 Keep up the good work Motoman. 🙂
@@2Bunphettered788 Sadly, it is not an issue of variety or wanting to feature Ford. It is Ford itself. It is great to drive cars for a living, but it is still a business. The lifeblood of that business is timely access to cars. Some OEMs are better than others. Ford has chosen not to give us timely access to their vehicles and as such, we cannot contnue being a going concern if we continually featured vehicles late. Why? The cost to produce these episodes is the same whether we shoot them under an embargo (before the car comes out) or 6 - 12 months later. The ROI is drastically different between the two. Yes, a lot of inside baseball but wanted share the logic of our decision.
This design is light years better than the Kona 1.0's, bravo Kio. The main reason I didn't buy a Kona a few years ago was the copious amounts of hideous plastic around the wheel wells...untenable in almost all color combos they offered. The way the 1.6T car drove was outstanding, just couldn't get past the exterior plastic stuff.
Right away, the painted fender arches and contrasting roof on the N Line give a much more premium look vs Limited
Limited in the dark gray isn't bad, it ends up looking like a match of gloss and matte of the same color, a little more subtle.
Kinda insane that the higher trim doesn't have the solid painted fenders. The plastic fenders look so bad
Here for The Options game.
I have the 22 Kona nline with 7sp dual clutch. Which I’ve grown to love and the gas mileage 33mpg. I think my car is more attractive but I do love the interior of the 24 nline.
Picked mine up 2 days ago. Very happy with my purchase. Looks fun, is fun to drive and the space is perfect for a family. That transmition in the 1.6t awd is very responsive. No complaints at all.
That's great! Good luck with it. I like how they dropped the dual clutch transmission in favor of a regular step transmission with the turbo engine.
I think this "stadium" seating also helps to get more rear space without needing to stretch the car as much as normal seating. Smart.
Love the location you filmed this episode at!
Me too . . . would love to take credit for it, but Hyundai picked it. Sagamore Farm Reiserstown, Maryland.
I have a 2022 KIA Forte GT, with the 7-speed dual clutch. Unless you're driving anywhere in New York City, or one of the boroughs like Brooklyn for example, the 7 speed is absolutely no problem whatsoever. In fact, mine is surprisingly smooth. The 7 speed works so good with the 1.6-liter, 201 horsepower engine.
Welcome to Baltimore! Looks like you are cruising Hunt Valley.
Good eye . . . This entire episode - as well as our upcoming episode on the Kona EV - was shot in Reisterstown.
This is a *fabulous* refresh ! Good job #Hyundai 🏁🏁
Darth Vader helmet? Dude, this is Robocop.
Fair point.
I tend to keep my cars a long time, that turbo 4 concerns me. What is life like after 100k on the odometer and the same for the infotainment system?
Can't answer for Hyundai, but here is what Toyota is doing with Turbos for longeviity . . . ua-cam.com/video/kfIQjRLtfuk/v-deo.html
The AWD rear suspension is independent good. Is there a spare tire on the AWD?
I sure am glad I bought my Kona N in 2022, while the gettin' was good. The 2.0 L turbo engine/8 sp wet dual clutch transmission drive train performs like something out of a dream, and is something you would expect to find only in a car costing twice as much. I just dialed down the suspension to its most compliant setting, and otherwise drive the car in normal mode most of the time. My only complaint: The Pirreli P Zero tires might be great for track day but they're inappropriate for everyday driving around town. Plus, they're road hazard magnets. I only got about 5,000 miles out of original set on my car before two were taken out by indeterminate metal objects. I replaced all four with the Pirelli P Zero Elect, which is a far more durable tire. Although ostensibly designed for electric vehicles, the Pirelli P Zero Elect has enhanced the rubber-meets-the-road performance of my Kona N in every way that matters, both on daily drives around town and spirited road trips. And no, I don't bemoan the fact that the car doesn't have a sun roof. 😉
@MotoManTV, I wish you UA-camrs would address the current car buying environment that we are living in. You mention the Toyota Prius as a competitor to this car as if someone actually has a chance at buying one. I haven't seen the new Prius on the road and I live in a very large city. Toyota dealers don't have them and the ones that do have them on their lots have them marked up so high that they are not affordable. I blame Toyota for this. They are either purposely not making a lot of them to drive up the price or they haven't fully recovered from the chip shortage issue and can't make enough cars to match demand. I watch all of you guys; you, TFL, Alex on Autos, the Canadian couple, Tom Volk, etc. All of you guys are reviewing cars that most people can't get their hands on. It's very frustrating. The one car that I could probably get quite easily (the Tesla Model Y) is the one that I don't want.
Bingo !!! You hit the nail on the head.
I wish viewers would watch our episodes that are not car reviews . . . We have covered the very topic you mention in gory detail with specific examples. In fact, have done most of them in conjunction with TFL . . . You can see examples:
Here:
ua-cam.com/video/0lbxSiRZd68/v-deo.html
Here:
ua-cam.com/video/ztghuJfKAgI/v-deo.html
And here . . .
ua-cam.com/video/yHDleR7hJL8/v-deo.html
There are more, but these should address your concerns . . . And I speak on behalf of everyone you mentioned in your list, friends with all of them, we would LOVE it if you guys watched more of our non car review episodes.
@@MotoManTV I watch 99% of your videos (the interviews with the car designers/head honchos don’t interest me) so I know that you’ve talked about it. However, when I’m watching a car review video and you or one of your fellow UA-cam buddies talk about these cars like they’re so easy to get, It’s just a bit frustrating. I feel like you should start every review by saying “You probably can’t purchase this car, but if you could, let me tell you what you would experience.” 🫣
Not at all realistic. As you may have seen, we drive most of these cars well before they hit the market and there is no way to predict what the sales environment will be. If we do see unusual trends from the market, we will be more than happy to discuss it when prudent. Yes, there are anomalies like the Huracan Tecnica that was already sold out before it hit dealers. Cases like those, more than happy to share the reality. That said, it greatly helps ALL channels like these (not just car channels) to watch at least part of all of our videos as it supports the channel. Appreciate you joining us on this journey.
Is the 1.6t direct and port injection?
Motoman. I bought a 2018 Kona limited the last one you presented the Kona. This time I will not be getting one because of the price. They want 35k here in Roseville California . For that money I can move up to midsize crossover and get a Mazda CX-50. It is a lot more than I paid for my Limited Kona
That is my main issue with cars in this class crossing into US$35,000 and more . . . and the reason I see these as value when they are US$27,000 or less *with the right equipment*.
Excited to see the N version of this
I would be shocked if they do one again . . .
The taillights and shifter are a big Nono for me Great video is always señor motonan 👍🏽👍🏽
My pleasure!
I keep confusing the Kona with the Venue. Was almost shocked at the weight til I thought “no no, Rogue size”. On the premise of fun? I doubt that. On the premise of a dependable transport with some life in it? Yeah certainly. If it was my money, its either the Elantra or the Sonata from the same manufacturer, cause I like sedans and don’t have children to transport
As being a previous kona owner that dct was fun yes depending on how you set off.. it will faceplant itself
but once you get the idea how to get off the line it happened to me rarely
Appreciate the real world feedback!
I was losing faith seeing you call a car north of $30k affordable but then you nailed it at the end. I'm with you on your $27k version of this car.
Right? When these car reviewers call $30k+ affordable, they forget salary hasn't risen with the inflation in prices. 🤦
Having seen this car in hybrid version here in the last couple of months i have to say that somehow works. Not for me but it´s way more pleasant and grown up that last Kona was. Not a fan of some quality bits of hyundai interiors but i guess somewhere needs to show the price compare to its competition. To me this car looks a lot like Robocop helmet, i can´t unsee it since the first time i saw it in the streets. Having driven the last model Kona ev i have to say that i´m really not a fan of it. Nothing wrong for basic driving and it´s an efficient vehicle for sure but i can´t drive it and think about buying it, no way in a million years. There are plenty options in the market but i get the price of this car and what it offers being a huge win for it.
All good points, Javi. Hyundai has done a great job with design and other bits but need to laser focus on the bits I mentioned in this episode and others. It's laughable, mainly because the hard cost to fix these issues would be around US$20/unit.
@MotoManTV completely agree MM, one can tell how much care they put in some areas and others are a bit left out. Still a good option in its segment but some bits seem to be so easy and cheap to upgrade for them if they want.
Base model would be cool if it came with multi link suspension and 6MT.
I’d add to the wish list the AWD rear suspension to the FWD. Cost nothing to design, yet raises the base line of entire line up. It would keep the rear stadium seating comfortable by not tipping all passengers around. Nice timing on the USB-C’s with the other big reveal today. 👍🏼 12:49
HA! Good point . . .
So the 2023 Mazda CX-30 S at $24k for 191HP and AWD is still the king if this segment of you don't need the put adults in the back. Got it.
Clearly the choice based on driving dynamics.
As much as I love Mazdas, the tech in the Kona Limited is worth the price for consumers like me. I would argue that some sedans beat out the CX-30 of the only metrics you are looking at is performance per dollar.
I assume the N is coming later
What about the Kona N???
I have the old Kona, I really like the new one, but $34000 is little too much.
hyundai kona is nice crossover to drive.
The one panel screen look is from the BMW workers that fled to Hyundai/ Kia. In a move smarter than the Germans they kept actual buttons too
I mad at you for saying that about Mirage 😢
Downtown Baltimore in a Hyundai? Be happy it was still where you parked it. Lol.
Hadn't been to Baltimore in a number of years . . . The city needs new management if it is to have any hope of turning around the now very steep decline.
Is it that affordable? My '23 Nissan Rogue FWD I recently picked up for just about $30K flat has a multilink rear, is bigger, higher fuel economy (37mpg highway), quiet, and at 205hp is good enough for 8 seconds to 60 which is fine for running errands and passing on the highway. I couldn't wait for the refreshed Kona to release unfortunately, but now that it has, the cheapest FWD variant on the build tool is $32K and does only 32mpg. Much nicer infotainment and what not, but not REALLY that cheap IMO.
Yeah, but your Rogue is equipped with a awful CVT transmission. The Kona is a way better vehicle.
@@v60polestar88 New generation CVT-X on 22+ models works well, and most companies are going to them. The non-turbo Kona (the majority that will be produced) is also CVT.
@@BoopSnoot No most econobox cars are equipped with them. Even Nissan is moving toward the 9 speed auto. CVT are literally the worst transmission. Why do u think u never really see CVT in luxury brands. It’s a crappy transmission
@@v60polestar88 I hate to break this to you, but the Kona is an econobox, lol! Its not an Audi. Subaru is using CVTs in all its vehicles, even the $50K Ascent Touring model. Every manufacturer is using them, even the Lexus ES 300h, LC 500h, LS 500h, NX 350h, NX 450h Plus (PHEV), RX 450h, RX 450hL, UX 200, UX 250h are all CVT.
Kona? 🙄
Motoman, please review the new Mustang 5.0🐎
As you know, we don't feature Ford on this show . . . That said, every once in a while I let one sneak in . . . not certaini how the Mustang will shape up.
@@MotoManTV No Ford?! I didn't know, and I've been watching for years! I know you like the Euro imports, but some variety might do your channel some good. 👍 Keep up the good work Motoman. 🙂
@@2Bunphettered788 Sadly, it is not an issue of variety or wanting to feature Ford. It is Ford itself. It is great to drive cars for a living, but it is still a business. The lifeblood of that business is timely access to cars. Some OEMs are better than others. Ford has chosen not to give us timely access to their vehicles and as such, we cannot contnue being a going concern if we continually featured vehicles late. Why? The cost to produce these episodes is the same whether we shoot them under an embargo (before the car comes out) or 6 - 12 months later. The ROI is drastically different between the two. Yes, a lot of inside baseball but wanted share the logic of our decision.
@@MotoManTV Much appreciated Motoman. Now I know. 👍
Imho Hyundai went overboard with the new "corporate look". The Accent, Elantra, Sonata, Azera, Kona & Staria have the same lightbar look now.
I'm still on the fence about what is being referred to as the 'Robocop' look . . .
It's sales are probably doomed here in Portugal, as "Kona" means "c*nt" ! :D
This design is light years better than the Kona 1.0's, bravo Kio. The main reason I didn't buy a Kona a few years ago was the copious amounts of hideous plastic around the wheel wells...untenable in almost all color combos they offered. The way the 1.6T car drove was outstanding, just couldn't get past the exterior plastic stuff.
German rainbow 😂🤣
So I can't use my USB stick to play music?