Thanks for the review. I don’t have any use for the sled currently but do like those clamps. I will probably follow your lead and order a pair for a MFT top.
Cheers. I only became interested in one from seeing all the profiling and joinery routers bits available now. Mighty impressed with the clamps on the sled. My mft versions haven't arrived yet but, hopefully they're just as effective. Link in description for em if you need it😉👍
@@BischBaschBosch I have watched at least 5 reviews of this Coping Sled including the original from Dennis [Hooked on Wood] and yours was the most comprehensive. As an extra I mentioned your upgrade to the Benchdog Fence to Ralph at BD Tools. He was impressed. To make it your way would need a wider profile which would increase cost though.
Appreciated. Thank you. Collaborated with BD before (the dog collars) and reviewed a fair bit of their gear early days. Felt a bit messed about though so stopped all that now. That said, the fence needn't be larger and more costly. You just need the current extrusion laid flat rather than standing upright. I have the extra 2020 on top of mine to allow for 2 fixings in each fence dog but, that's not essential. Just a preference of mine. 👍
Thanks you for the review, well balanced and comprehensive. As regards your comments about the fixing of the clamps, I would suggest that if the bolt were on the post there would only be a short length of bolt taking the strain of the lever due to the thickness of the base plate. Doing it the was that it is now, there is a wide counter sink on the underside to spread the load and to ensure that no part of the bolt protrudes from the base plate and on the top side, a larger number of threads in the post. Overall this would mean that the current fixing system would stand a far greater load that the more convenient method you suggested and those levers can exert a great deal of force. Or possibly not, but I'd hazard a guess that I'm correct.
Cheers mate. Valid point I think. The plate itself is only 8mm thick, so there would be a risk of shear. Not on the bolt itself (if it were on the clamp posts) but the aluminium threads on the plate. That would depend on the type of aly used. Perhaps a slot system would work for them? Just frustrating to use as is. 👍
My router table/table saw is also self made - just blinged right up with accessories! 😁 I never mean for my reviews to come across as "you need this, go buy it" though. They're just a look at what you can expect for your ££s. 👍
@@BischBaschBosch thats how I saw the review, its a nice to have item which looks really good. But as a hobby user even when considering the reduced selling price its a lot of money for what is basically an Ally plate with two handles and clamps.
@@garyhenderson9303I disagree. Your analysis of the coping sled “just ally plate, handles and clamps” is quite naive. I could say that my table saw is just a cast iron top with an electric motor. The reality is the price does include the development costs, the material costs, the tooling costs, the marketing costs, the shipping costs and profit. If you don’t want to pay for a table saw, fine, use a hand saw; if you don’t want to pay for coping sled, make your own; if you don’t want to pay for timber, go scavenging. The choices are there. For me, it’s always a trade off between time, accuracy, convenience and cost but your equation may get different results. I made my own coping sled out of profiled aluminium and sliding clamps. I used as much as I could of bits I already had but, buying the rest, still cost me £40. It was fine but not great. I therefore bought this Enjoywood sled and its improvement is tremendous. The cost equates to about 2.5 hours of a normal charge rate for a good joiner. Yes, a hobbyist may not be able to justify to themselves the £85. But that is a different argument to disputing the cost based upon an ally plate, handles and clamps
@@BischBaschBoschI’m a great fan of Incra although the initial purchase cost always hurts- but not so much as Woodpecker. I haven’t bought duplicates of anything made by Incra and Enjoywood and so can’t make that comparison (although if Banggood want to send me a table saw mitre fence and a router table positional fence, I’m happy to try). I can say that everything I have bought from Enjoywood has been as accurate as I need it to be - by which I mean that any variations in dimensions is no more than I would expect using natural materials with built-in stresses. I might feel different when I get around to building that Hydron kaledisoscope.
I love the Incra ls positioner. Very unique and functions at a high level. Most of their other kit I find just on par with many other brands. Nothing exceptional really. Enjoywood seems to be trying to reposition itself. For the most part, their offerings have been basic and budget, if adequate. Some of their recent accessories appear to be at the more mid level to premium market - like this sled. Keen to see where they go with it. If we can remove ourselves from the all too common anti China bias - or at least from the "cheap crap from china" presumptions - it becomes obvious they are, at least with brands like Hongdui, able to compete in terms of design, accuracy and quality with the best of the West.
@@BischBaschBosch I will not understand how people can love products made via slavery, the products might be ok but china rip off companies and this will lead to no inovation and then you will moan
@@BischBaschBosch the positioned is a great piece of kit - but I find the split fence a real pain to adjust accurately - quite possibly me. Your thoughts on made in China are interesting. When I was young, made in Japan had all the connotations of cheap rubbish - look at how that has developed. I am aware that Chinese manufacturers can and will make items to whatever quality their customers demand. Cheap and horrible? No problem; really well made and a delight to use? No problem either. We certainly can’t assume that tools that look the same (eg the model of bobbin sanders that are everywhere) are the same inside. The workings, the precision of the components, will vary depending upon what the client wants. Buyer beware. As much as I am no fan of the governments of many countries, I think we can safely say that the Chinese government is particularly repressive. So, are we, in buying from Chinese companies, aiding the Chinese government? Without doubt. Should that, morally, stop us buying from these Chinese companies? That’s much more involved. My decision is/was that I would not discriminate on the country of manufacturer but based on my decision on the item as objectively as possible. I have bought quite a few tools from selected Chinese manufacturers and have not been disappointed in their accuracy and quality. Perhaps, I have been lucky. We have just placed an order for an additional 34 solar PV panels, 5 batteries etc. etc - all from a UK company but the items were made in China. In all cases I could have bought American or European or whatever. But at a significant financial cost to me. Is it more moral to give more of my hard earned cash to a US company? I don’t think so .
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As always balanced, and constructive. Certain piqued my interest. Thank You
Thanks mate. Certainly makes cross grain routing easy.👍
👍👍👍 Another 1st class review. Thank you
Appreciated. Cheers mate👍
Great Review, the best I ve seen so far from this router sled.
Very kind. Thank you 👍
Fantastic testing and review, man! Thanks a bunch! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thank you mate! You too👍
Thanks for the review. I don’t have any use for the sled currently but do like those clamps. I will probably follow your lead and order a pair for a MFT top.
Cheers. I only became interested in one from seeing all the profiling and joinery routers bits available now. Mighty impressed with the clamps on the sled. My mft versions haven't arrived yet but, hopefully they're just as effective. Link in description for em if you need it😉👍
A very comprehensive review.
In a good way I hope 😁. Do like to give the tools a proper look.👍
@@BischBaschBosch I have watched at least 5 reviews of this Coping Sled including the original from Dennis [Hooked on Wood] and yours was the most comprehensive. As an extra I mentioned your upgrade to the Benchdog Fence to Ralph at BD Tools. He was impressed. To make it your way would need a wider profile which would increase cost though.
Appreciated. Thank you. Collaborated with BD before (the dog collars) and reviewed a fair bit of their gear early days. Felt a bit messed about though so stopped all that now. That said, the fence needn't be larger and more costly. You just need the current extrusion laid flat rather than standing upright. I have the extra 2020 on top of mine to allow for 2 fixings in each fence dog but, that's not essential. Just a preference of mine. 👍
Thanks you for the review, well balanced and comprehensive.
As regards your comments about the fixing of the clamps, I would suggest that if the bolt were on the post there would only be a short length of bolt taking the strain of the lever due to the thickness of the base plate.
Doing it the was that it is now, there is a wide counter sink on the underside to spread the load and to ensure that no part of the bolt protrudes from the base plate and on the top side, a larger number of threads in the post. Overall this would mean that the current fixing system would stand a far greater load that the more convenient method you suggested and those levers can exert a great deal of force.
Or possibly not, but I'd hazard a guess that I'm correct.
Cheers mate. Valid point I think. The plate itself is only 8mm thick, so there would be a risk of shear. Not on the bolt itself (if it were on the clamp posts) but the aluminium threads on the plate. That would depend on the type of aly used. Perhaps a slot system would work for them? Just frustrating to use as is. 👍
Good morning 🌅, very nice jig, just a question what size router and make, and yes I am from the Moulin, good luck for the future,
Hi. I use a Bosch GMF 1600 ce. I have its fixed based permanently attached to the router table.👍
@ thanks for letting me know,
Great looking Sled with nice clamps, just seems wrong when the RRP of the Sled is more than my Self made Router Table.
My router table/table saw is also self made - just blinged right up with accessories! 😁 I never mean for my reviews to come across as "you need this, go buy it" though. They're just a look at what you can expect for your ££s. 👍
@@BischBaschBosch thats how I saw the review, its a nice to have item which looks really good. But as a hobby user even when considering the reduced selling price its a lot of money for what is basically an Ally plate with two handles and clamps.
@@garyhenderson9303I disagree. Your analysis of the coping sled “just ally plate, handles and clamps” is quite naive. I could say that my table saw is just a cast iron top with an electric motor. The reality is the price does include the development costs, the material costs, the tooling costs, the marketing costs, the shipping costs and profit. If you don’t want to pay for a table saw, fine, use a hand saw; if you don’t want to pay for coping sled, make your own; if you don’t want to pay for timber, go scavenging. The choices are there. For me, it’s always a trade off between time, accuracy, convenience and cost but your equation may get different results.
I made my own coping sled out of profiled aluminium and sliding clamps. I used as much as I could of bits I already had but, buying the rest, still cost me £40. It was fine but not great. I therefore bought this Enjoywood sled and its improvement is tremendous. The cost equates to about 2.5 hours of a normal charge rate for a good joiner.
Yes, a hobbyist may not be able to justify to themselves the £85. But that is a different argument to disputing the cost based upon an ally plate, handles and clamps
How many of these coping sleds have banggood banged out? 🤔
They've got 2 listed. This new Enjoywood/Hooked on Wood one and, a generic one with toggle clamps they've had versions of available for some time.
I will stick with Incra
They don't do one. Just plans for using their their t-tracks and accessories to diy one.
@@BischBaschBoschI’m a great fan of Incra although the initial purchase cost always hurts- but not so much as Woodpecker. I haven’t bought duplicates of anything made by Incra and Enjoywood and so can’t make that comparison (although if Banggood want to send me a table saw mitre fence and a router table positional fence, I’m happy to try). I can say that everything I have bought from Enjoywood has been as accurate as I need it to be - by which I mean that any variations in dimensions is no more than I would expect using natural materials with built-in stresses. I might feel different when I get around to building that Hydron kaledisoscope.
I love the Incra ls positioner. Very unique and functions at a high level. Most of their other kit I find just on par with many other brands. Nothing exceptional really.
Enjoywood seems to be trying to reposition itself. For the most part, their offerings have been basic and budget, if adequate. Some of their recent accessories appear to be at the more mid level to premium market - like this sled. Keen to see where they go with it. If we can remove ourselves from the all too common anti China bias - or at least from the "cheap crap from china" presumptions - it becomes obvious they are, at least with brands like Hongdui, able to compete in terms of design, accuracy and quality with the best of the West.
@@BischBaschBosch I will not understand how people can love products made via slavery, the products might be ok but china rip off companies and this will lead to no inovation and then you will moan
@@BischBaschBosch the positioned is a great piece of kit - but I find the split fence a real pain to adjust accurately - quite possibly me.
Your thoughts on made in China are interesting. When I was young, made in Japan had all the connotations of cheap rubbish - look at how that has developed. I am aware that Chinese manufacturers can and will make items to whatever quality their customers demand. Cheap and horrible? No problem; really well made and a delight to use? No problem either. We certainly can’t assume that tools that look the same (eg the model of bobbin sanders that are everywhere) are the same inside. The workings, the precision of the components, will vary depending upon what the client wants. Buyer beware.
As much as I am no fan of the governments of many countries, I think we can safely say that the Chinese government is particularly repressive. So, are we, in buying from Chinese companies, aiding the Chinese government? Without doubt. Should that, morally, stop us buying from these Chinese companies? That’s much more involved. My decision is/was that I would not discriminate on the country of manufacturer but based on my decision on the item as objectively as possible. I have bought quite a few tools from selected Chinese manufacturers and have not been disappointed in their accuracy and quality. Perhaps, I have been lucky. We have just placed an order for an additional 34 solar PV panels, 5 batteries etc. etc - all from a UK company but the items were made in China.
In all cases I could have bought American or European or whatever. But at a significant financial cost to me. Is it more moral to give more of my hard earned cash to a US company? I don’t think so .