I SCREWED UP this LVP Installation | Had to Take it up and Re-Install it
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- I screwed up this LVP installation and need to take it up, fix the floor and then re install the same LVP. I get asked all the time, how can I fix some bad cuts, fix a dep I missed in the floor, I forgot to cut a vent and I missed a squeak.
The answer is simple - take it up, fix the problem and the re-install the plank.
I will share some good tips to help you salvage your floor.
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Admitting to a mistake is a rarity these days, you'd never make it as a politician. Love your work.
Haha! Thanks for sharing
:)
You can tell hes not a Republican
Respect
@@SoThatsHowYouDoThat Hiya pal from UK. First time I've watched, enjoyed it,interesting.
I noticed the board was very pliable, is that a standard board in U.S?
The boards I had laid in my place recently where about 13 mm thick.
All the best.🍺👍
You seem like a good, honest dude. This is a quality that is definitely lacking in the contractor field these days. I would absolutely hire a guy like you!! Great video!
I appreciate that!
Being honest and being willing to do a little rework when needed, pays off 10x. An honest, quality installer like yourself will always be busy, even during hard times.
I've that you were honest and humble enough to admit your mistake, redo the flooring, and even make a video about it!
God Bless You! 😊
I was upset over a mistake I found after making quite a bit of progress. Your advice at the end of your video motivated me to pull it all up and fix the problem. Set me back maybe 30-45 minutes, but I'm glad I did it. Thanks!
Great job! and good choice!
I feel your pain, Joe. After 35 years in many fields, the most important thing I have learned, is that ,as much as I want to please the customer and try to save them as much as possible, If they wont take my expert advise, I walk away. Nice save tho brother😎🙏✌
That is how I usually approach it also and that is solid advice for some of the other contractor's that watch this channel.
This is a must step that a lot of flooring guys seem to skip screws next to each nail then tapping each nail with a hammer to make sure it's down, it's amazing how much the subfloor can become loose over time.
As a fellow installer for almost 20 years I have to say I enjoy your videos. In my personal opinion I don't think you messed up but maybe should have told the home owner that the subfloor needed to be screwed down to avoid this situation. Sometimes giving the customer the cold hard facts might lose the job, but atleast you aren't working for free when you have to reinstall. I feel for ya man.
Thank you!
We installed laminate planking in the basement, family room laundry closets and two hallways, couldn’t have done it without listening to you again and again, thank you so much.
I've done a lot of uninstall/reinstalls over the years to remove damaged planks or fix low/high areas and have found that lettering the rows and numbering the boards using pieces of blue tape or masking upon which you write your numbers and letters , is a great way to keep all the planks in order.
Stack the rows in alphabetic order then reinstall in reverse sequence making sure to cull out damaged planks.
When you get to Z, start over with row AA for instance.
We did one a few weeks ago and ended up at GGG and 209 planks.
It is tedious but the end users appreciate the effort to minimize waste, breakage and the use of new material.
Thanks for the video. We finished our entire house a few months ago and just found out our foundation is bad and the foundation repair guys need us to remove the flooring before they begin. I've been looking for something to give me hope that I can make this happen without losing even more money in this process. This video gave me some hope! Thanks.
Class act. That's why when I chose to learn from someone I chose you bc I can tell quality is required in your installs .
Thank you!
I’ve been watching your videos for some time now because I just started offering flooring install service and today on the job I’m working on right now, I had made this mistake of starting the layout in the wrong direction, when I got to the point where it became a problem, I tried to think of every way around not having to rip it out haha. I eventually said screw it and took it all out and redid it. Fair to say that made everything 1000x better and I’m stoked 🤙🏼
That is what makes a great installer!!
Can't believe they'd rather "screw up" that hardwood
Joe, thank you for your wonderful, So That's How You Do That, videos. I've always been a DIY guy for almost every project I do for my family (mostly due to lack of funds) so installing a Manufactured Laminate Wood Floor fits right into my purview and your instruction is making it all possible. My favorite brother-in-law replaced his laminate floor (It was his wife, actually) so he gave me the old flooring panels, that are like new, and his floor-plan is larger than mine. God is good! May the Holy Trinity bless you and your family, richly and keep everyone safe and healthy.
I had to do this exact thing while doing my first DIY LVP flooring job. Saw a joint in a majorly visible spot in the living room separating and had to fix it as I was going to be selling the house shortly thereafter. What I did to keep track of the planks is treat them like an Excel spreadsheet and flip them over and write a letter and number (A1, B7 for example) on each to remember where they go. Took the guesswork out of the reinstall.
Another great video. Thank you for taking the time to teach & share your knowledge with the world. I can’t tell you how many times you’ve helped me over the past couple of years. And, never underestimate the advantages of using titebond tongue and groove glue in a few key locations. Have an amazingly blessed rest of your day!
Thank you I appreciate you sharing and glad I could help
Always appreciate your videos Joe. I'm getting ready to pull up the vinyl click-n-lock floor out of the great room in my new house and reinstall it in the bedrooms of the house so I can put tile in the great room.
Your videos always give me the courage to tackle a project. God bless you for sharing your knowledge
Anytime!! Thank you
Joe, you have helped me tremendously. For that I thank you. Even after I complete my project I will watch your videos and I certainly will recomend all. God bless you and your family.
You never seem to let me down good job as usual and keep the faith !!!!
Great video. I have encountered cheap LVP where the tongue and grove break when taking them apart. Also, some would say it is a sin to cover up hardwood with plastic LVP. But sometimes you have to do what the customer wants.
Holy crap Joe, I was impressed with the first install. I'm even more impressed that you could take it apart and have it all fit back together.
Thx man!
Breaks my heart to cover a solid wood floor as I refinished floors for many years. But if that's what the client wants, so be it. thanks for the video.
In Sweden and other Nordic countries, I’ve heard people remove their floating floors and take the boards with them when they move. Sounds crazy to me. I’m enjoying the tips on your channel. Thanks.
Being honest and humble..much respect to you
100% good advice. Rip it up, redo it, be proud of it. It will haunt you in your dreams. Not kidding. Customer IS going to notice it. Or someone's going to come to the house and point it out. Then you'll be standing there with egg on your face trying to explain how you left something crappy in their floor (and lying). I've been doing floors for 30 years. And I've made every mistake... hopefully. Not fixing a problem immediately is one of the HUGE mistakes. Even if it costs a lot of time or money or materials. People go to school and pay for classes. When we make a mistake, consider it paying for your class and a lesson learned. Great advice Joe. You're the best, God bless you!
Thank you I appreciate you sharing this
I had to take one apart and reinstall it once. I brought along 2 helpers and i lifted the planks 1 at a time, handed it off to a helper. He used a white paint marker on the back to number each plank and he handed them off to the next helper. He stacked them in another room and after the last plank was removed, numbered and stacked we reversed that process and i reinstalled them as they were handed to me in chronological order. The room was 22ft x 16ft and it only took us, from start to finish, 1 hour and 48 minutes. Not too shabby for 3 dudes that downed a case of beer before arriving at that house. It was for a friend by the way! Lol we dont drink before OR during work unless its at a friend's house :-)
Thanks again Joe! Based my 1200 square foot transitionless installation on your videos… came out GREAT! Being a believer, really appreciate the last video I saw where you prayed for your audience!! Outstanding testimony!
Glad to help
I just stared making videos of my projects abs one of the things I don't want to do is hide my mistakes. I think it's so important that everyone sees that we make mistakes. It's how we handle it that matters. Great video and great lessons to be learned.
Thanks for sharing man
Those original hardwood floors look great to me..Id leave it alone
I learned tile work from an old craftsman. Job one is no squeaks or "soft spots". Subfloor MUST be securely fastened. I've worked in half million dollar homes with squeaks in floor. Craftmanship and pride in work are no longer taught. Folks are taught speed work and multitasking. Good on you for being a good contractor.
Honest work. Gotta be ultra honest with them beforehand and tell them it won’t be done if you aren’t allowed to screw it down. Personally this would be the only time I made this mistake because oof that’s a ton of labor you had to put back into it. Great video. Thank you
I pulled up our entire main floor interlocking flooring to replace a damaged section. As we pulled up each row, we wrote the row number and position in the back of each plank. Then we just put them back like a puzzle in order. Worked great.
Good tip
I just sent back drop and lock! This was expensive, Armstrong tabs kept breaking! Going for 12mm this time! Thanks
Great job being honest and good video, but why would they not just sand the old floors down and stain them darker
I hate to bring this up, but do not use sheetrock screws on anything other than drywall. They are weak, and will snap. Use flooring screws, which are no 9 gauge and usually 1 3/4" with a Torx head. Cheers, appreciate your honesty and integrity.
I eliminated the squeaks in our 55 year old hardwood floors using “Squeak No More” screws (the sheathing had not been glued and screwed). The special screws have a shank that breaks off below floor level.....otherwise the floor would have had to have been replaced.....lots of work, but saved about 15-20,000...
very interesting. I can understand the homeowner wanting you to come back. The screw work looks solid!! We just had smartcore vinyl plank installed over a wood subfloor (took up carpet) and it feels solid. As long as you explained what you were doing to the homeowner be proud of your work.
True.
I feel your pain. Did my my upstairs 900 sq ft. Used aqua guard. Went over hardwood floor but instead of using the required padding i used tar paper. Huge mistake. It squaked everywher. I installed alot of hardwood and used tar paper or rosin paper. And on top of it i used no saddles so it was one contuous floor. Learned a big lesson. 🤦♂️.
Joe...You sounded a little exasperated about redoing that part of the job, but don’t !
You realize how many of us you’re helping by showing us real world stuff :)
Thanks your great 👍
frankie
Boston
Thanks
I just installed a floor using your methods. Way easier than the last one I did just 5 months ago. You help is very invaluable. Thanks, God Bless.
You're welcome and I appreciate you sharing this
@ 8:30 your advice is what I always did and also wondered why others did not. Best advice you can give. So many times I saw guys have to travel back to a job and set up tools sometimes mixing thin set and grout to replace a chipped tile they saw when they put it in (or grouted) and they just hoped the homeowner would never see. Here’s a clue, the HO will spend a lot of time there and will see it.
Exactly!!
There are some old plank floors that are impossible to get to quite down as its the actual tongue rubbing. That looked like Cali Vinyl pro redefined pine. One of my most commonly used products as its 20 mil wear layer and able to purchase direct from manufacturer. Nice to see people take pride in their work these days
Do you have a video covering how to replace a single plank thats damaged? I gouged a plank in my entry (lifeproof). 🤦🏽♂️
Your videos have been a HUGE help on my flooring project! Thanks!
Not yet!
I've been doing flooring for over 30 years and it's nice to see someone who knows what they are doing and actually cares.
Thanks Don!
The guys out there that work in the trades are so much more valuable then the desk jockey's and computer cowboys.
Anytime!
Great video. I ran into this tonight. Noticed id put two like boards together. Lucky it was only 3 rows in. About 17 planks deep. I hemmed and hawed and finally fixed it before continuing.i was glad i did in the end. It would have bothered me.lol
Awesome tips. Just like to point out to the people that aren’t used to using sharp blades to cut the planks or anything really with a blade... never cut towards your body, always cut with the sharp edge of the blade away from you.
We really appreciate your helpful videos and your love for Jesus ❤️
You are so welcome
Glad I found this. Looking to do LVP or laminate over a squeaky hardwood floor, now I have a good plan with the screws! Thanks bro.
Just rip out the wood and do the job properly.
40 year flooring installer.. What I have learned and is hard to do.. Customers pushing you. And what ever floor store pushing you. The main thing if it is not right walk away.. Once you (the professional installer) decide to install a job knowing there is issues... It all on YOU THE PROFESSIONAL.. with that said many great sweet jobs that would have paid so great, you have to pass it up.. I been there many times customers trying save $$$ and person selling the flooring trying make money on job going great.. it put us installers in a hard spot trying to make money and please everyone , but redoing jobs don't pay anything 😂😂great videos you have👍, I been watching many of them and this first time make a comment .
Thanks for sharing man!
good video Joe I have learned over the years it all about preparation in any job be flooring painting ect
Right on
I like the good old peel n stick but in the newer Vinyl plank..Traffic Master Taupe oak color it's sold at Home Depot..looks great..and it's cheap and easy to install or rip out
Thanks for the video, insight, and tips...
Thank you for this video and advice!
Thanks for this video
There are tons of videos out there on how to install a floor, but not very many on how to correct mistakes !!
Thank you!
i would have left hardwood intact also , it would have been homeowners advantage , could have shimmed from crawl space if there was room under , and of course extra labor for more expense for homeowner , good job anyway cheers !
How are you preserving the hard wood floor by putting screws everywhere, and isn't it recommended to use a non slip underlay.
We tried to preserve it and now we are not. No underlay was needed when it has one attached.
Great video! Question: We had Dura Quantum 7.0 installed and the specs say it is a Vallinge fold down system. Will this be easy or difficult to remove and put back together? Worried about compromising all the joints to save 3 joints. We have 2 joints that are in a dip and one joint I can feel a ridge under. I like the way your video embraces “everyone makes mistakes” while at the same time recognizing that this is a long term investment.
I am a computer guy and not very handy with home repairs. My wife and I bought our home brand new construction in 2004. So things are in need of being replaced. We have a revolving door of cats, as we rescue homeless kitties and help strays, so our carpets needed to be replaced. My wife talked me into doing our formal living room with luxury vinyl plank flooring. I've pulled up carpet and laid sticky tiles in a small room before so I figured this couldn't be any harder. We pulled the carpet and padding up to revel a few spots where the cats used it as a catbox. It was pretty gross, but we never went in this room so I never noticed it was that bad. But the flooring under the carpet needed to be sanded in a few spots to level it. also to remove some padding that wouldn't come up, I don't know what the builders did. Once we got all the carpet, padding, staples and leveled the floor we started with the planks. It was very easy to do, but figuring out how to start was hard, I didn't want it to be crooked or uneven. Cutting the heat vents was the hardest part.
Then my wife talked me into doing the dining room and the Family room. By the time I did the 3rd room I was an expert. The best advice is to make sure the sub-floor is clean, level and free of staples, nails and such. Then make sure you measure the room and figure out how many rows you need and how much you will have to trim off the bottom row. The planks are laid from top left to bottom right. The next best tip is to make sure there are no gaps in the seams. Get a special tool for tapping the planks together. My first floor had little gaps here and there, but the last room, every plank was tight. Also it is worth paying more for the nicer planks. They have padding on the back and are thicker and more comfortable to walk on. The floors look great and almost anyone can install it.
We purchased a new house and the builder is installing vinyl plank rather than engineered hardwood I hope this is not a mistake. May be the way of the future.
I don't think mit is a mistake if the product is good.
Thank you I really enjoyed your videos I’m considering putting vinyl flooring in my home and a friend recommended for me to put Brad nails to hold the planks down I’ve watched a ton of videos and nobody does this, is this something you recommend
Hardwood is beautiful and solid umderfoot but it's not for everyone. I've had 1st generation Pergo laminate on my floors for over 20 years and they still look great. The only reason I'm replacing them is because we're remodeling. I've considered replacing it with hardwood but our family is rough on floors and we want something more worry free.
A worthy experiment. Thanks for showing your mistakes.
You are welcome man!
Prep is the key to success. You can skimp or cheat a lot of places but never prep. 26 years in the bizz and repairs are rare as they cost time and money. Don’t like expensive learning 🍺
Totally agree!
Great video. I have to do this. I can’t believe they are covering up/destroy hardwood floors
You can do it!
i love your channel thank you
I've been watching your videos because my husband and I are going to attempt installing floors for the first time. I'm a little scared because he wants to lay new laminate over old. After watching this video would you suggest we screw the old laminate down to the sub floor like you did here to avoid dips in the floor? Or should we use a level to make sure the old floor is even before we lay the new floor to avoid any issues we can't see. Thank you for all the tips!
Hi there! Love your videos! I wanted to ask, we had a contractor install click in place flooring. There are so many gaps, not only on the butt ends but also along the long ends. Is there any way to save the floor or would the whole thing need to be pulled up and reinstalled.
Thanks for the help and advice!
very helpful. thanks 🙏
i just did a full remodel in my bathroom full tiled shower vinyl flooring etc well it was my first time doing any of this kind of work and everything turned out wonderful except the grout job on the tile i didn’t do enough research on it and didn’t watch enough how to videos to get the understanding for it and i made my mix a little too wet and did the washes wrong too much water in the grout and now i have to dig it all out and do a full regrout due to air pockets and pinholes porosity etc sucks but live and learn
So that’s how you don’t do that. Lol shit happens. I appreciate your videos keep up the good work!
Very good video here
Hey brother Joe, you might want to add a screw gun with an extension rod. You can just walk around and put all them screws in really fast
I would like drawing animal marks different animals on the plank and on where it goes just because they're making you take it back up
Was that flooring Urban Loft Ash? Looks just like my flooring. :)
Thank you for the video. Which state are you in? I wish in mine! I need someone who knows what he is doing!
Once I nailed a squeaky floor for a customer. Had it solid and quiet. Installed Armstrong laminate. The next day the idiot customer found one squeak. I wasn't there but my worker uninstalled the floor and renailed it again. I was madder than all getout on the inside. I told the idiot customer that Joan Jett and the Rolling Stones was responsible for me not hearing the squeak. I hated being in the floor biz and appreciate those who slave in other people's homes. I retired 15 years ago and still have nightmeres about that stuff. God speed to those who do floors for a living.
Thanks for sharing man!
Joe, please know you rock my brain
Hope that is a good thing!
I bet a resand would have been just about the same price, if not less than a brand new floor
I bet they just hated wood floors.....
Was that flooring the drop n lock flooring? I have the lifeproof flooring I need to take back up, but worry I am going to break a lot of the material in the process and if it is best to just leave it as is.
Good tips and a lesson learned thanks
You bet
Thanks for sharing Joe. Having similar issue some of my old engineered hardwood was damaged by water in kitchen area only. Over season change bowed up popping up the new vinyl floor in 2 small areas. My contractor installed just 6 months ago. Now he has to come back & I'm asking him if its best idea now to remove old flooring and leavel full kitchen. Also feel flexing in areas had nothing do do with water damage. Do you think good idea to take up all old hardwood and level or just those areas that where wet? Worried now if water some how could get underneath vinyl floors in future would pop up the old floor underneath making having vinyl floors pointless. Have you ever seen that problem before. Thank you. Product installed was Rigid Core Luxury Vinyl (Whistling Hills)
Undrlayment Sentinel Protect Plus on concert slab. Vinyl doesn't seem to lay flat flexes and makes soft rice crispy sound when cold walk. installer said do the the hard texture quality of the product. (Flooring manufacturers) came out said do to flooring being unleveled underneath only certain areas. Any suggestions frustrating thank you again.
I would tear it all out and fix the floor.
@@SoThatsHowYouDoThat thank you for getting back to me maybe route looking to take if possible.
I really need to start over on the floor in my daughter’s bedroom. My issue is husband doesn’t want to move the furniture out of the room for me. And this hinders what I can do. He doesn’t want to help with laying the plank down so I’m all by myself on this
I’m afraid to scratch up the vinyl by moving the bed and dressers around too much.
Great stuff.
Normally we Brad nail it and we use tar paper even if the floor has underlayment attached to it. A pretty floor like that we probably would have used it like a brown paper.
Screw 1 1/4 screws from the basement going up.
I'm trying to preserve my wood floors in a similar way. i want to use loose lay vinyl thinking that's the best way with no screws or adhesives. For the uneven areas i was going to use the roofing paper. Does this seem like a good plan?
Hey Joe, I would just like to say that I love your videos! Thanks for the secrets the pros use; from the tools to buy, the cheater/marking board, the ten plank cheat sheet. These tips have been invaluable on my LVP instal in my basement. i have a couple concerns regarding my instal that maybe you could give some advice on. I’m installing LVP from a hallway into a bedroom. The bedroom is carpet and the hallway of LVP. I only installed LVP 3.5 inches into the doorway of the bedroom instead of the 4 inches you recommend. Do you think I can get away with this? I also have a large portion of planks I would like to tear up and fix. What is the best way to tear up LVP with the locking system that requires installing the long edge and then pounding in the but joint? it seems difficult to uninstall without damaging the locking system. again keep up the great videos Joe!!!!!
The door nshgould be fine. Have you tried to take any plank up? If yes, what is happening?
Hey Joe I want to thank you for your detailed videos, because of your videos I am in the middle of doing my dining room with Armstrong luxury vinyl planks with the angle angle system. I noticed after 3/4 of the job that I have some planks that not fully seated in the locking system in the first several rows, a slightly raised edge on three planks. Is there a way to fully seat the plank without removing several rows? Please let me know. Thanks again.
Yes, a pull bar and a hammer will do the trick.
glad i did this first, sub floor squeaked. my question is should i put another layer over sub for before putting down lvp?
If you feel it needs it, then I would.
I have seen and used a similar product it is pretty much a floating floor so acts like a laminate floor.. so you need to allow expansion and don’t build kitchen units etc on top .. also consider what you are overlaying as products can sweat and expand ..
Um no it is much more expensive around here maybe if you refinished it yourself.
So Joe did you eat the cost or work out some arrangements for redoing the floor and compensation?
Thank you for the info. How come the creaking floor wasn’t an issue before you installed it the first time?
It was.
Will never understand covering up hardwood floors with lvp
Well, I will never understand how people can use ketchup on a steak! Guess we will always be wondering....
Yeah, I'm having a hard time with that one too. Although, I did see some pretty big gaps in that hardwood floor. Maybe it was improperly installed to begin with.
I can understand hardwood in one room and another type of flooring in another and wanting the floors to match.
It is surprising to me how many people lay down a floor instead of just refinishing their hardwood. If you don't like the color, you can stain it a different color during the refinishing process. But that is just me, everyone is different and has different tastes, no right or wrong. I guess I am just in the minority. I love real wood floors.
I am also planning to install new flooring on top of hardwood. Wondering what was the issue for not nailing those floors down originally? I am also trying to save the hardwood floor underneath in case I want to refinish it later on, would love to avoid the mistake!
To save the floors. Honestly, the hardwood in that video was laid the wrong direction and looked terrible. It was also only installed in certain areas of the house which also made it seem very odd. It needed to be covered or demoed.
At the beginning of this video you show silicone being applied next to a tub using tape to help make a clean look. Please provide me with a link to a video that shows this technique.
Thanks
Just a question on the hardwoods the direction of the boards versus the direction of the new plank. Is that more advisable to do that for better structural integrity? In some cases, I've seen with a client wants to go the same direction over the hardwoods that they are currently going. Is that okay to do that? I would think it would be okay as long as once again those hardwoods are down solid prior to laying this stuff
The company I hired seemed to do a shoddy job. The floor makes a crunching sound sometimes, and I can feel a spot that there is a lump of something under the plank near the stove. So frustrating. Do I make them come back and fix it?