Yes, blue LEDs were something worth advertising on the box. Decades ago each LED colour required a different manufacturing process and blue LEDs in particular were incredibly expensive to produce. Only high-end electronics had them and that's why some products today, especially those that are marketed to the boomer crowd, still have blue standby LEDs. Anyway, when some Japanese guys discovered a way to make cheap blue LEDs they won the Nobel prize in physics for it. That's how big of a deal they are.
I wonder what the temps would be with actual thermal paste? Linus could've used some Arctic Silver 5 (which is still made and sold brand new) and it would've been authentic to 2005, as it was around back then, and it was top of the line, so it even matches with the water cooler.
@@lucasrem1870 Because testing with degraded thermal paste doesn't actually reflect the performance it would have had brand-new. So using new paste would have been a better test.
I was watching that and imagining that's what Windows users say everytime they get an update that screws up half their system. The reaction fits so well on that context...
I had and installed this exact kit when I was 13 y/o, was so darn proud of it lol. Upon initial install, the fan speed controller set on fire immediately, minimal damage other then a room smelling like burnt electronics for a month. After plugging the rad fan in without the controller, it ran at full tilt for the next 8 years. Surprisingly that pos lived forever... This video brought back such good memories :D
@@pavy415 What Galactic Ruler said, plus stuff just ran hot back then. "Cooling your PC" meant taking off the side panel and letting it 'breath' a bit! I still managed to cook a Radeon 9800 SE tho 😒
@@pavy415 The comment from @Galactic Ruler was pretty much the most spot on. Cooling was pretty terrible all around back then plus I knew a lot less lol. It replaced a half dead stock cooler so it was an upgrade, and the fan being stuck at 100% (for years mind you) temps were never a problem. aka I don't have a real answer LOL
Actually, good cooling that prevents throttling makes the room hotter compared to bad cooling of the same wattage. The cooling system just pumps out the heat and lack of throttling means more heat.
Sadly he is mistaken, the amount of heat that is produced by the cpu does not go up so it will not act as a space heater any more then it did. Worst case the cpu throttles, making it produce less heat. The only thing that is getting hotter is the cpu itself.
Actually I am really interested how would this loop perform with: 1. Modern thermal paste. Measure at this stage 2. Lapped block. Measure again (with modern thermal paste).
@@JohnDoe-el5ir Nope. CPUs are first items with such a large heat to dissipation area ratio. There was no need for dedicated pastes like we use now before. And there is a serious improvement in those in 20 years. You have now liquid metals, diamond pastes. What you had then was silicon based paste, which was considered premium if it had some silver in it. Another thing. I assume that chemical capabilities of those paste can be much lower than normal after 20 years from being manufactured.
@@JohnDoe-el5ir that is such a nonsense comment. They're not overestimating thermal paste generally (and even then I'd say *you're underestimating it*; JayzTwoCents vid on delidding shows that a change in thermal paste from a current good one to some magic sauce did like 5degrees!) but more saying that this stuff that's been sitting around for a decade might not be as good as it once was (and even then, the paste that came with this thing mightn't even have been good back then, just because "other devices [needed] cooling" doesn't mean they all used the same goop!)
@@bartomiej9807 long before CPUs there were power amplifiers and still are, that dissipate much more energy. These are the facts. You can believe it or not, it's not my problem, but facts are the facts. Some minor tweaks here and there ,but still it's almost the same. Diamond paste LOL
Linus: "Wanna feature your PC in a video?" Geoff: *secretly thinks he's getting Intel Extreme Tech Upgrade* "YES" Jake and Linus yeets this back to 2005
Always wondered what those "water cooling" holes on the back of my case were supposed to be for. Good to know its compatible with completely archaic pieces of kit.
I built a system to run "Doom 3" at max settings back in the day with a Thermaltake BigWater cooling system where the radiator and tank fit into the CD drive bay. It was friggin' epic.
I worked in a PC store during the early 2000s. I still remember there being a pre-built desktop that came with a full custom water cooling kit but using the kit would void your warranty! It was hilarious telling customers.
@@littlejackalo5326 a stock 426 hemi in 1963-77 factory installed/all stock had a super shortened warranty ( dodge was expecting people being ruff on it and or racing ) and or non existing. basically the same BS. as the water 🚿 cooling computer 🖥 skeems aka use 🚿 stock and we wont even look at it same thing with un-water-cooling as its "moded from stock"
I had a family friend that showed off the first liquid cooling setup I had ever seen in 2005. Homebuilt with a junked motorcycle radiator, flexi tubing and a pump rotor affixed to a hobby rc motor in the "resivoir" the only thing he bought was a CPU block. Still jealous of it to this day! I never could play ut2004 and hl2 as fast as him.. great thing he let me use it whenever I came over!
You guys gotta upgrade this using new thermal paste, lapping the cooler, using new fluid, and a new fan! Go step-by-step, we wanna see how good this can really get =)
They probably tell you to unhook the hard drive to prevent the system from booting while you boot cycle to purge the loop. You could just disable it in the bios, but instructions to do that for all motherboards at the time wouldn't fit in that small space. Much simpler to just tell people to unhook the power from the drive.
Linus, I had a friend with a kit like this back in the day from them, the reason they wanted you to disconnect the hard drive was because if you're turning it off and on to bleed the loop, doing it a bunch, it can be hard on the hard drive motors constantly spinning up and down. My friend DID in fact kill a hard drive while bleeding a loop because of this, but I personally have never bothered with it. Even bleeding my most recent loop in 2020, I had 4 hard drives in the rig when I was bleeding it, and no issues XD
@@Fay7666 yes, which is why it says to unplug stuff. I'm just saying it only killed one drive of many I've tested with. It's a lot more work to unplug everything so sometimes I'm lazy about it.
@@JackNormalMemes This. Even strong pumps like a D5 don't use that much power. You don't even need another ATX PSU if you can make your own adapter - just a basic 12V power adapter will do. Much better than turning the PC on and off a bunch of times, hoping there's no leak dripping on the back of your GPU.
I had that kit back in the day. I never used the water block that came with it or the coolant, I used automotive dexcool anti-freeze. It honestly worked very well on my AMD Athlon 64. I was able to overclock the hell out of it.
I'd be interested to see how a decent lapping job on that cold plate, some decent thermal paste and throwing a Noctua fan on the rad would improve performance
I like that they actually put a decent amount of thought into the system, with the power pass through, a decent pump. The patent pending valves. If only they had spent a little more time on the water block it might have actually held up! I'm honestly shocked that the components all worked and the coolant was still ok. They only gaurantee it for 3 years! lol But still, pretty cool!
And if they used a new thermal paste + good mounting pressure the cooling performance would have been only slightly worse than the best modern air cooler.
@@Rspsand07 ah, fair enough. But sometimes it is from date of manufacturer, if it starts degrading. An extreme example is hydrogen peroxide, if it sits on the shelf too long, it's just water when you open it.
The manifold for adding components to the cooling loop is actually an objectively good idea they should be using now. Definitely more convenient for the end user
@@TechyBen Correct. You shouldn't use a manifold unless you have a large number of identical devices waterblocked(GPUs mostly). It's not a useful thing otherwise. Even then, most blocks that might be used in multiples will have more than one inlet/outlet pair, so a manifold as a separate part is just useless.
Actually, fine milk can develop in to an extraordinary cheese in the right conditions and judging by the quirkiness of this whole setup this indeed is a Roquefort
there's a good chance that the Thermal paste you guys used, actually influenced the benchmark by a lot. maybe with a quality paste it would run at the same temps as the noctua xD
My first pc ever, I had one of these back when it came out. Watching your video really took me back more than a decade. You can even see me unboxing it along with the matching Araura case.
I remember using fish tank pumps, pop bottles for reservoirs, and tubing from hardware stores along with some self machined copper heatsinks. I have sworn off liquid cooling ever since lol. This was circa late 1999-2002.
You still can use fish tank pumps. The Aquacomputer Aquastream line uses eheims. An actual top notch pump, sacrificing some pressure/flow/noise for reliability vs D5, with built in monitoring/control (integrated low flow sensor, temp sensor, display, and onboard microcomputer). Very reliable pump.
Yup, THAT were the days of pioneer water cooling. Not that modern AIO stuff. Back when a Dremel was a PC enthusiast's most important tool is where it's at!
Yeah I had that thought too. Maybe even give it the benefit of the doubt and mix up some coolant. I’d love to see if there’s a world where this could be halfway decent
It would surely still be worse than the Noctua air cooler. It outperforms many modern AIO's, so I doubt this ancient one with a small radiator would perform better.
5:30 the wanted you to remove the power from your Hdd, because the you PC won't Boot and you CPU would idle in the Postscreen. This was to minimise the heatoutput till the loop was bleeded, since the block wouldn't cool without water. They simply relied on the thermal mass of the Block during that time, which was fine(?) back then...
60w was the norm back then so thermal performance didn't matter as much as it does now. This was Gigabyte's attempt at getting sales from novice PC builders, I doubt this was competitive against the DIY market - the fact that this had bigger fans was a greater selling point for people looking to upgrade from the annoyingly loud stock coolers AMD and Intel chips came with.
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 yes I had a thermaltake system on a heavily overclocked P4 and that was much quieter. Later I swapped the cooler for a cooler of a motorcycle and ran even passive....
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 Pentium 4 got out to 115W in 2004/5, higher if you overclocked. 'Preshott' literally melted sockets overclocked. Theres a reason they abandoned the entire architecture.
even back in the days we werent dumb like that. we knew full well that connecting the green wire to any black on your 24 pin would run the pump without turning the system on (still does)
Linus: " Here is your Work Station back. I've removed half of your RAM, no VGA, just 2 Display ports now. Are we cool, cause the PC's running kind of Hot?" Geoff: " That looks AMAZING!" *Employee of the Year achievement unlocked.*
Really needed to give this unit it's best chance to shine. Modern thermal paste and modern coolant. COME ON LINUS! Make this happen. I really enjoyed this video.
You wouldn't want to run modern coolant in that thing since modern coolant doesn't have the same anti corrosion agents in it. I think that swapping the cold plate to a proper one would give the best improvement.
Aah, the nostalgia! The only thing I would have done would have been to also compare it against a good representative air cooler from that era too to in order to see if it was an improvement over what was available at the time. Noctua is a still quite a challenge to beat even for modern WC systems.
Like in my last job where they gave me broken PC to work with. It could shutdown any time randomly. I was showing animation for CEO, PC shutdown and CEO just walked away.
13:52 As was noted a few seconds earlier, power supplies used to be at the top of the case. These wouldn't have interfered with video cards which were at the bottom of the case.
I initially read that as "I absolutely love-hate 90's..." and it made just as much sense. So much they did right. So much they frustratingly did wrong.
I had this very loop set up in my Lian Li PC-70 back in the day. If I remember correctly it was an Athlon 64 3200+ with a MSI K8N Neo 4 Platinum mobo and a GeForce 7800 GTX. In an era where you could buy this or spend as much as a full PC build on a custom loop, the gigabyte kit wasn't a bad deal to be honest. Definitely needed a full tower case to comfortably set the thing up inside, though.
17:43 Pentium 4s did have thermal protection. I think Athlon XPs might have had it (I do remember mine having temp sensors) but anything older than that, especially AMD, was prone to failure and sometimes catching fire. Edit: But P4s ran so hot that we eventually had to put a fan with blue LEDs that sat in a PCI case slot in my younger sibling's PC. 2004/5 was weird.
Pretty sure the Athalon XPs did too. It was as bare bones as this solution is - hot temps = instantly kill the power, no graceful degraded performance "until" it's cooler. But that's really as early as my experience in actually playing with hardware goes.
There was at the time breathtaking video. They remove heatsink on 3 working pc’s. Amd athlon, intel celeron and p4. Pentium 4 throttled down, celeron froze and athlon caught fire.
This threw me back so hard it reminded me of when Linus would literally do unbox videos from the porch they arrived on or on a table outside in the yard for some reason. The days, I've been here too long and may it continue
I would love to see what the performance of it would be if you properly flattened the cpu block. And used a newer thermal paste. Just to see how much the poor surface was causing issues.
I agree but also the way the coldplate was designed didn't really flow the coolant over the hot spot so who knows what would be the result but it certainly shouldn't be worse
@@MyLonewolf25 Good to see a fellow man of culture who knows that you can buy bulk liquid WD-40 for all your WD-40ing needs without the excess cost of aerosol cans.
I have the Gigabyte Mercury 3D case which came with this cooler in a kit. I got it used, and spent 30 hours cleaning it... but I love how much engineering went into that case.
@@Forke13 I made a UA-cam video about it, so it includes filming, cleaning the whole PC etc. Here is a video of the assembly: ua-cam.com/video/oX4-sj0b6vw/v-deo.html
This takes me back! Modded PC's back then looked like the B2TF DeLorean time machine. Knobs on the back, different gauges on the front. I had a water cooling setup where the "tank" fit into the old CD drive slot, the pump was like from a small fishtank, the back radiator gave her a big dump truck.. and I ran the coolant lines through an open PCI back slot xD
Not all water-cooling kits from this time were as janky as this Gigabyte kit. I had a Swiftec kit from 2007 that was way better than this. It even came with a Laing D5 which I've used in 6 water cooled builds since (100,000 hours of operation) and is still going strong. It's happily pumping away next to me right now. What an amazing pump.
@@ManOfAttitudeLP1998 right. 2007 was on the upswing of where we are now with technology. 2000-2005 was pretty Wild West of “who knows” hell it was still just windows xp running the world too.
This brought tears to my eyes! This was my first water cooling kit. Never thought I would see this again! And it was such a pain in the ass if I remember correctly can't wait to watch.
I'm too afraid too, but I'm fine with air cooling, no problems, simpler maintenance, no risks, just smooth sailing (and I live in a room that never goes past 23 degrees... Even in the summer, so...)
I was scared too when i first did it. but let me tell you, theres actualy very little that can go wrong. like most coolants arent even conductive. My first came from near the time that this set was released, imagine my stress back then. these days its almost idiot proof.
This one brings back memories from when i started doing case mods, had a 20$ beige case painted white in an airport workshop that i worked in, cut off one of the sides to had a window and then put one of those red long bulbs, it looked SICK!
There was a time when Gigabyte made incredible products. I had a GTX 980 that was built like a tank. But they’ve really started cutting corners, and it really shows.
Your worker took the upgrade like teachers did at a middleschool I had to upgrade from mac iici and iifx models to imacs with no floppy drive and only 1 expansion slot. I still had my mac iici and which i personally owned and everyone wanted the old macs back.
I remember being 12 building my first pc in 2008 and I thought the sound reactive cathode lights were the coolest thing lol All these new PC builders will never understand the struggle with lighting your case with cathodes before LED strips were popular lol
I never had cathode in mine but did buy a bunch of 120mm blue LED fans. I think the motherboard I had would glow under a cathode too (DFI Lanparty Nf4).
the counterstrike fan grill brought back memories, i made my own back in the day for my fan i put in the plexiglass side panel. those were the days lol.
Nice! I had "smaller" version without distro blocks...almost 8 years ago when i build "retro PC" (not really a retro back then) i find one on E-bay sealed...without mounting for 775...so i made one from aluminum and grinder...ahh...good old days... 2x HD 4870 x2 and 1200W power supply...this rig was definetly a space heater.... :D
I'm gonna be real, I used to think (and still kind of do) computers like this were the coolest looking thing. But I also like mineral oil builds so, I suppose that speaks for itself.
A 2000 style video would be fun too. Fountain pump from hardware store, home made water block or one from danger den, a heater core from a Chevy Vega. I had my pump suspended mid air because it vibrated too much and made a ton of noise if I mounted it on the case. Cardboard ducting so I could mount the radiator in the case and ensure it was drawing air from the front and outside. It worked great for years!
There was a small spelling mistake at 10:00 and 18:43 - the cooler we we're comparing to was a Noctua NH-U12S, not an NH-D15. :)
Hey, wanna se my graphic card?
ok
thank you lingus
Ever since Luke's clarification on key caps, you could count on LMG for a front and center correction. ;)
here's some Engage [ captain Picard emoji ]
@@steamer8349 can I see it
"I don't need it, I'll use VGA."
Geoff is such a good sport.
He understands the spirit of 2005.
Candidate for a new Channel Super Fun victim
Cool kid, and he's cooler than the two guys there and PC lol
It cuz he the new guy so he must agree to everything 😂 I’m just assuming
My monitor only have VGA....
Ah, hey! This is ours! My wife and I were so glad you guys were up for it. Im in a class at the moment but cant wait to watch it when I get out!
So nice of you to send it to Linus!
OMG SAKURAI ARMORY
really awesome of you two ! this made for a great video :p
damn thats cool!
Gg
Others at the office: receives Intel Extreme Tech Upgrade
Geoff: LTT Extreme Tech Downgrade
[ R E D U C E F R A M E R A T E ]
I love the fact that you already know which sponsor pays better
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@@hrdjr lol
"I don't need it, I'll use VGA"
Spoken like a true computer tech.
2:37 holy crap I’ve just found out why my first PC case from 2014 had grommets on the back above the PCI slots
LOL when I made this realization it blew my mind
Me too. AeroCool GT in black. Cheap ass "gamer" case, but is till holds a candle.
@@MasterGeekMX mine was an Aerocool too, the DS Cube! I think they still sell it, despite it having absolutely zero modern features 🤣
Mine too! Makes me wish they made like a 360x360 radiator so I could have my PC on one side of my desk and my new space heater on the other side.
I had that giant cooler master HAF case a while back and it had the two holes like that with grommets too.
Yes, blue LEDs were something worth advertising on the box. Decades ago each LED colour required a different manufacturing process and blue LEDs in particular were incredibly expensive to produce. Only high-end electronics had them and that's why some products today, especially those that are marketed to the boomer crowd, still have blue standby LEDs. Anyway, when some Japanese guys discovered a way to make cheap blue LEDs they won the Nobel prize in physics for it. That's how big of a deal they are.
Thats actually so interesting, thank you for sharing that!
I was hoping someone mentioned this
It WAS nobel prise worthy, as blue LEDs becoming cheap means you could make screens and LED lights
They were a big deal. But even back then they were an eyesore and outfitted on hideous looking rigs.
The Nichia company (they got the Nobel prize) is still pretty important in the LED space.
Jake: "Nano scale coolant...what does that even mean"
That it will look big in Linus' hand
Replied before its famous.
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I wonder what the temps would be with actual thermal paste? Linus could've used some Arctic Silver 5 (which is still made and sold brand new) and it would've been authentic to 2005, as it was around back then, and it was top of the line, so it even matches with the water cooler.
system is old, why care about that?
just replace all
@@lucasrem1870
Because testing with degraded thermal paste doesn't actually reflect the performance it would have had brand-new. So using new paste would have been a better test.
@@lucasrem1870 why use many word when few word do trick
@@TheTuttle99 few word good?
As the drama showed, that would mean more time required and a slower turnaround.
The ending where they gave the computer back with the water cooler was gold.
Yeah. I was laughing up a storm at that.
That's the highlight
I was watching that and imagining that's what Windows users say everytime they get an update that screws up half their system. The reaction fits so well on that context...
I had and installed this exact kit when I was 13 y/o, was so darn proud of it lol. Upon initial install, the fan speed controller set on fire immediately, minimal damage other then a room smelling like burnt electronics for a month. After plugging the rad fan in without the controller, it ran at full tilt for the next 8 years. Surprisingly that pos lived forever... This video brought back such good memories :D
So was the temperatures bad like there’s were ?
@@pavy415 Probably, but the alternative air coolers at the time would've been even worse.
@@pavy415 What Galactic Ruler said, plus stuff just ran hot back then. "Cooling your PC" meant taking off the side panel and letting it 'breath' a bit!
I still managed to cook a Radeon 9800 SE tho 😒
So gigabyte is not new to the electronics with embedded fireworks market
@@pavy415 The comment from @Galactic Ruler was pretty much the most spot on. Cooling was pretty terrible all around back then plus I knew a lot less lol. It replaced a half dead stock cooler so it was an upgrade, and the fan being stuck at 100% (for years mind you) temps were never a problem. aka I don't have a real answer LOL
I laughed so hard when you gave back the 'upgraded' PC back to Geoff. Haha He was like, oh cool, a PC and a heater build in together.
honestly this was the first thing that made me laugh out loud in a long time
Actually, good cooling that prevents throttling makes the room hotter compared to bad cooling of the same wattage. The cooling system just pumps out the heat and lack of throttling means more heat.
Sadly he is mistaken, the amount of heat that is produced by the cpu does not go up so it will not act as a space heater any more then it did. Worst case the cpu throttles, making it produce less heat. The only thing that is getting hotter is the cpu itself.
Oh man, I died. Just kept piling on the good news lol
He smiling under that mask...
Actually I am really interested how would this loop perform with:
1. Modern thermal paste. Measure at this stage
2. Lapped block. Measure again (with modern thermal paste).
Don’t overestimate thermal paste. Pastes were used in other devices where cooling was needed long before first computer was built.
@@JohnDoe-el5ir Nope. CPUs are first items with such a large heat to dissipation area ratio. There was no need for dedicated pastes like we use now before. And there is a serious improvement in those in 20 years. You have now liquid metals, diamond pastes. What you had then was silicon based paste, which was considered premium if it had some silver in it.
Another thing. I assume that chemical capabilities of those paste can be much lower than normal after 20 years from being manufactured.
@@JohnDoe-el5ir that is such a nonsense comment.
They're not overestimating thermal paste generally (and even then I'd say *you're underestimating it*; JayzTwoCents vid on delidding shows that a change in thermal paste from a current good one to some magic sauce did like 5degrees!) but more saying that this stuff that's been sitting around for a decade might not be as good as it once was (and even then, the paste that came with this thing mightn't even have been good back then, just because "other devices [needed] cooling" doesn't mean they all used the same goop!)
@@bartomiej9807 long before CPUs there were power amplifiers and still are, that dissipate much more energy. These are the facts. You can believe it or not, it's not my problem, but facts are the facts. Some minor tweaks here and there ,but still it's almost the same. Diamond paste LOL
@@hashbrown777 yep, your answer is the most BS . Go buy that fancy pastes LOL. Your are the ideal client for it.
Geoff deserves a Christmas bonus for being so cool about having his PC turned into a hot lump of coal
He's like that one guy who really needs the job so he's fine with anything.
Took the news like the champ he is
You mean history remade, right? Not coal?
I love how they kept trying to prod him into getting upset by listing the downgrades one by one, and he was like "oh cool just what I wanted."
Doesn't he do sales? It's probably still way faster than it needs to be.
Linus really seems to enjoy building things with his oldest son, Jake.
It totally felt that way 🤣
He's an annoying pain in the ass, just like a kid too.
massively agree
jake even asks "did you really had no temp protection?" as if a child going "wow dad, you really didn't have internet back when you were a kid?"
haha yes
Linus: "Wanna feature your PC in a video?"
Geoff: *secretly thinks he's getting Intel Extreme Tech Upgrade* "YES"
Jake and Linus yeets this back to 2005
The ending was a good surprise lol. I love how you can tell that at some parts Geoff is trying hard not to laugh.
Always wondered what those "water cooling" holes on the back of my case were supposed to be for. Good to know its compatible with completely archaic pieces of kit.
same. I have them in my current case by coolermaster. Although one of the grommets just fell out.
My old ass cooler master case has them too. Instead I crammed a pile of hand me down fans into my case and it runs fine.
Damn. I'm so proud that my "new" case (Zalman 11) has this holes.
I thought It means future)
GREAT case tho. I had shitty cans before
same with my Thermaltake Versa H23
In the video it says the holes are for water cooling
I built a system to run "Doom 3" at max settings back in the day with a Thermaltake BigWater cooling system where the radiator and tank fit into the CD drive bay. It was friggin' epic.
You were a rich kid
@@prostodeo or he was an adult and is just older then us lol.
@@bUwUmer1260 Or maybe that yes 😅
This used to be super popular until everyone stopped using cd drives
I had the thermaltake case that had the radiotor built into the front door, it was really akward opening and closing it.
I worked in a PC store during the early 2000s. I still remember there being a pre-built desktop that came with a full custom water cooling kit but using the kit would void your warranty! It was hilarious telling customers.
same kind of things with older dodge cars and or a 90 day warranty period. and didn't chevy do that on newer 2010-car two?
@@richardprice5978 do what?
@@littlejackalo5326 a stock 426 hemi in 1963-77 factory installed/all stock had a super shortened warranty ( dodge was expecting people being ruff on it and or racing ) and or non existing. basically the same BS. as the water 🚿 cooling computer 🖥 skeems aka use 🚿 stock and we wont even look at it same thing with un-water-cooling as its "moded from stock"
I had a family friend that showed off the first liquid cooling setup I had ever seen in 2005. Homebuilt with a junked motorcycle radiator, flexi tubing and a pump rotor affixed to a hobby rc motor in the "resivoir" the only thing he bought was a CPU block. Still jealous of it to this day! I never could play ut2004 and hl2 as fast as him.. great thing he let me use it whenever I came over!
You guys gotta upgrade this using new thermal paste, lapping the cooler, using new fluid, and a new fan! Go step-by-step, we wanna see how good this can really get =)
Especially curious about lapping the cooler. That thing looked horrible.
I mean... What do you expect? It'll become nearly as good as modern stuff
I'd watch all 4 of those videos
They should just try it with a decent block and see how much of a beast that reservoir is.
I’m going to bet that the cpu block was the only problem with this things cooling
I love how on board he was with the upgrade. What a good sport!
"upgrade" heh.
@@LinusTechTips That's just bullying... you should reward him for being such a good sport.... >.
It’s like his job depended on it 😅 jk jk
Geoff: "Can I have Intel Extreme Upgrade?"
Linus: "We have something better for you."
@@LinusTechTips Negative upgrade?!
“We did a thing…and made it worse.”
Top Gear vibes
On tonight's show:
I (Linus) get coolant in my blood
Jake gets his hole stuffed
And Geoff gets an upgrade
I've said it before multiple times and I'll say it again. LTT is the Top Gear of technology.
Sometimes ambitious but rubbish.
They probably tell you to unhook the hard drive to prevent the system from booting while you boot cycle to purge the loop. You could just disable it in the bios, but instructions to do that for all motherboards at the time wouldn't fit in that small space. Much simpler to just tell people to unhook the power from the drive.
Linus, I had a friend with a kit like this back in the day from them, the reason they wanted you to disconnect the hard drive was because if you're turning it off and on to bleed the loop, doing it a bunch, it can be hard on the hard drive motors constantly spinning up and down. My friend DID in fact kill a hard drive while bleeding a loop because of this, but I personally have never bothered with it. Even bleeding my most recent loop in 2020, I had 4 hard drives in the rig when I was bleeding it, and no issues XD
If you're just bleeding a loop, shouldn't you just have nothing else plugged in?
@@Fay7666 yes, which is why it says to unplug stuff. I'm just saying it only killed one drive of many I've tested with. It's a lot more work to unplug everything so sometimes I'm lazy about it.
Or just jump the pump
Forgive the casual, They haven't been doing this long and it's still new to them.
@@JackNormalMemes This. Even strong pumps like a D5 don't use that much power.
You don't even need another ATX PSU if you can make your own adapter - just a basic 12V power adapter will do.
Much better than turning the PC on and off a bunch of times, hoping there's no leak dripping on the back of your GPU.
"This Product Aged Like Fine Milk"
The Dutch person in me was thinking 'so it became cheese or butter'
Well it's definitely cheesy.
Certified Oude Kaas 48+
French, can relate.
American here, what does plastic or vegetable fat stick have to do with milk?
@@BlastinRope they use the plastic from the milk for the cheese.
This just makes me want to see Linus and Clint from LGR collab on a retro computer video
thought the same thing
One where Linus goes to retro town with one of Clint's daily drivers..?
Yeah!!
Yes please to LTT/LGR collab!
I can just hear Clint doing one of Linus's cheesy segways.
I had that kit back in the day. I never used the water block that came with it or the coolant, I used automotive dexcool anti-freeze. It honestly worked very well on my AMD Athlon 64. I was able to overclock the hell out of it.
Isn't that the stuff that used to eat manifold gaskets?
The infinite number of chapters is almost as impressive as Jake‘s dedication to sell all the march Linux is wearing.
nice profile pic :)
I'd be interested to see how a decent lapping job on that cold plate, some decent thermal paste and throwing a Noctua fan on the rad would improve performance
they shouldve then gone ahead and tweaked it as 3 result temp comparison
also to be fair they should have compared it to a intel stock cooler. You know, its an upgrade for that.
@@A.Martin I'm not sure it would be though 😅
I wish they used good thermal paste for science. Of course 2005 thermal paste is going to be shit, the solvent was even separated out
Doubt that would do much of a difference with a shitty rad and that badly designed block.
I like that they actually put a decent amount of thought into the system, with the power pass through, a decent pump. The patent pending valves. If only they had spent a little more time on the water block it might have actually held up! I'm honestly shocked that the components all worked and the coolant was still ok. They only gaurantee it for 3 years! lol But still, pretty cool!
And if they used a new thermal paste + good mounting pressure the cooling performance would have been only slightly worse than the best modern air cooler.
3 years of use, not 3 years sitting on a shelf. Hence warranty starting after purchase even if manufacture is a year ago
@@Rspsand07 ah, fair enough. But sometimes it is from date of manufacturer, if it starts degrading. An extreme example is hydrogen peroxide, if it sits on the shelf too long, it's just water when you open it.
@@Rspsand07 on 4:53 it says "Guaranty period - 3 years (on closed status) "
Wow, is that Geoff's calendar at 20:16? That looks like TV programs schedule!
google calendar on a vertical monitor
The manifold for adding components to the cooling loop is actually an objectively good idea they should be using now. Definitely more convenient for the end user
in case you didn't know, quick disconnects exist.
Not sure if it would work with a loop setup and would instead mess up flow.
Yeah, well, Gigabyte has the patent on it... nobody else can use this.
@@TechyBen Correct. You shouldn't use a manifold unless you have a large number of identical devices waterblocked(GPUs mostly). It's not a useful thing otherwise. Even then, most blocks that might be used in multiples will have more than one inlet/outlet pair, so a manifold as a separate part is just useless.
But how often do you change your components that that even matters?
Actually, fine milk can develop in to an extraordinary cheese in the right conditions and judging by the quirkiness of this whole setup this indeed is a Roquefort
This is like going through Gigabyte's gradeschool year book while they were going through some weird phases and tearing into them.
Missed a huge opportunity for Linus to end with "You've officially been pimped" when giving Geoff his PC back
YES, THIS
I suppose, it's 2021, not 2005
there's a good chance that the Thermal paste you guys used, actually influenced the benchmark by a lot. maybe with a quality paste it would run at the same temps as the noctua xD
Even new water coolers struggle to beat the noctua but I like your optimism
@@hondaman62 that one is pumping like crazy though.
and Noctua NH-U12S is actually not as good.
@@hondaman62 so it should be given every advantage
Always wanted to do this only never could find a kit here 😅, so much joy watching this video 🤗
sure
My first pc ever, I had one of these back when it came out.
Watching your video really took me back more than a decade. You can even see me unboxing it along with the matching Araura case.
I remember using fish tank pumps, pop bottles for reservoirs, and tubing from hardware stores along with some self machined copper heatsinks. I have sworn off liquid cooling ever since lol. This was circa late 1999-2002.
You still can use fish tank pumps. The Aquacomputer Aquastream line uses eheims. An actual top notch pump, sacrificing some pressure/flow/noise for reliability vs D5, with built in monitoring/control (integrated low flow sensor, temp sensor, display, and onboard microcomputer). Very reliable pump.
@@Grimmwoldds I've had two D5 pumps working in tandem for over 10 years dude.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Yup, THAT were the days of pioneer water cooling. Not that modern AIO stuff. Back when a Dremel was a PC enthusiast's most important tool is where it's at!
Seems fun for a rat style build today.
You should try it again with new thermal paste
Yeah I had that thought too. Maybe even give it the benefit of the doubt and mix up some coolant. I’d love to see if there’s a world where this could be halfway decent
If they used better thermal paste and lapped the block it would probably be fine.
They should yeah
It would surely still be worse than the Noctua air cooler. It outperforms many modern AIO's, so I doubt this ancient one with a small radiator would perform better.
another video of them trying to make it better would be amazing
5:30 the wanted you to remove the power from your Hdd, because the you PC won't Boot and you CPU would idle in the Postscreen. This was to minimise the heatoutput till the loop was bleeded, since the block wouldn't cool without water. They simply relied on the thermal mass of the Block during that time, which was fine(?) back then...
60w was the norm back then so thermal performance didn't matter as much as it does now. This was Gigabyte's attempt at getting sales from novice PC builders, I doubt this was competitive against the DIY market - the fact that this had bigger fans was a greater selling point for people looking to upgrade from the annoyingly loud stock coolers AMD and Intel chips came with.
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 yes I had a thermaltake system on a heavily overclocked P4 and that was much quieter. Later I swapped the cooler for a cooler of a motorcycle and ran even passive....
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 Pentium 4 got out to 115W in 2004/5, higher if you overclocked. 'Preshott' literally melted sockets overclocked. Theres a reason they abandoned the entire architecture.
even back in the days we werent dumb like that. we knew full well that connecting the green wire to any black on your 24 pin would run the pump without turning the system on (still does)
@@mycosys Yeah, I was referring to stock systems. AMD and Intel's 32 bit chips ran at similar thermals to today's Pentiums/i3's
As an automotive tech it's so cool to see how much of the technology designed for vehicles got transfered into old school pc cooling
Linus: " Here is your Work Station back. I've removed half of your RAM, no VGA, just 2 Display ports now. Are we cool, cause the PC's running kind of Hot?"
Geoff: " That looks AMAZING!"
*Employee of the Year achievement unlocked.*
you bought the shoes too?
Wow! I was dying of laughter with how agreeable Geoff was ;D
He's doing the math in his head. "how many sticks of ram to do spreadsheets?"
"Oh, thanks, Linus!"
_I am SO getting the next Intel Upgrade..._
Canadians…
@@RestitutorEuropa Gonna. N NC n fn Finn nn mm f n fn f FB f. F good day vn/
"Orange and blue, it's disgusting!" As a parent of a kid who loves Blippi, you don't know how happy that made me.
Ah, yes, iPad kids..
Blippi is ok 🤣 better than pepper pig....Linus would make a great blippi
BLIPPI > Caillou.
Don't @ me
@@TimWochomurka based, in hindsight Caillou (the cartoon, not the books) are trash even for kids
@@Wimmle definitely would 😂 he's got the high pitched voice to go with it
Would it be worth lapping the cold plate of this cooler to see if it improves the performance at all?
Really needed to give this unit it's best chance to shine. Modern thermal paste and modern coolant. COME ON LINUS! Make this happen. I really enjoyed this video.
You wouldn't want to run modern coolant in that thing since modern coolant doesn't have the same anti corrosion agents in it. I think that swapping the cold plate to a proper one would give the best improvement.
You actually NEED their coolant to prevent the corrosion between the aluminum and copper....
Better way would be to test its performance on era appropriate CPU against era appropriate air cooler.
@@R3BootYourMind Because there is no modern coolant with anti corrosive agents.
The block design is awful, modern coolants and paste wont do anything.
I like how it's packaged like a kids toy
It honestly looks like Nerf Gun packaging.
@Samurai Shampoo Not like this though :D
It's funny how computer parts from early 2000 looks like toys that I would have played with in the 80s
That's why they're so cool 😎
Aah, the nostalgia! The only thing I would have done would have been to also compare it against a good representative air cooler from that era too to in order to see if it was an improvement over what was available at the time. Noctua is a still quite a challenge to beat even for modern WC systems.
Can just see it now...
Linus' next doctor's appointment when they do a blood test and get blue coolant.
News breaks that Linus has died. People ask if it was Covid. And the actuality is he got poisoned by 05 era PC coolant.
Love these old school tech testing
My favorite part of the video is just how accommodating Geoff is when they return the PC. top tier Canadian.
2005 doesn't even feel that long ago...makes me so sad.
Just think, kids born in 2005 will be old enough to vote this year.
@@Keonyn I know it blows me away. That was my grad year.
@@CamAteUrKFC ok old man
I like this idea, instead of upgrading your employees workstations you take things away to test their adaptability in hostile work environments
Like in my last job where they gave me broken PC to work with. It could shutdown any time randomly. I was showing animation for CEO, PC shutdown and CEO just walked away.
@@mikakorhonen5715 see, that's where LTT could have excelled - Linus would use that fail for video content.
13:52 As was noted a few seconds earlier, power supplies used to be at the top of the case. These wouldn't have interfered with video cards which were at the bottom of the case.
Yeah I have a fairly old pc and my gpu slot is at the bottom and psu at the top
I had a similar case but with a top-mounted PSU, but my GPU was still an AGP card, so it would have been hella blocked by this
I still have mine at the top of the case lol
I've been waiting for an instruction video on how to put this on my computer since around 2006, thanks for finally helping me out.
I don't care what anyone tries to argue, exterior mount radiators as part of a liquid coolant system can look awesome.
I absolutely love late 90’s and early 2000’s PC tech. It’s magical.
I initially read that as "I absolutely love-hate 90's..." and it made just as much sense. So much they did right. So much they frustratingly did wrong.
I do too. That's when I got into building PCs.
Let’s start a petition to have Geoff get a nicer computer than most of Linus’s other employees.
Why? He's in sales. He doesn't need the fastest work computer, and he just got the 5k Intel Tech upgrade.
@@slickstretch6391 excel is a power hungry app.
I had this very loop set up in my Lian Li PC-70 back in the day. If I remember correctly it was an Athlon 64 3200+ with a MSI K8N Neo 4 Platinum mobo and a GeForce 7800 GTX. In an era where you could buy this or spend as much as a full PC build on a custom loop, the gigabyte kit wasn't a bad deal to be honest. Definitely needed a full tower case to comfortably set the thing up inside, though.
17:43 Pentium 4s did have thermal protection. I think Athlon XPs might have had it (I do remember mine having temp sensors) but anything older than that, especially AMD, was prone to failure and sometimes catching fire.
Edit: But P4s ran so hot that we eventually had to put a fan with blue LEDs that sat in a PCI case slot in my younger sibling's PC. 2004/5 was weird.
You're right P4s did have thermal protection. My bad - LS
Pretty sure the Athalon XPs did too. It was as bare bones as this solution is - hot temps = instantly kill the power, no graceful degraded performance "until" it's cooler.
But that's really as early as my experience in actually playing with hardware goes.
There was at the time breathtaking video. They remove heatsink on 3 working pc’s. Amd athlon, intel celeron and p4. Pentium 4 throttled down, celeron froze and athlon caught fire.
@@MegaMoonse oh man... I want to watch that.
@@TheBaldrickk check the video named "What happens when a CPU heatsink is removed".
Ah yes, delicious glorious LTT content.
Splendid
good soup
This threw me back so hard it reminded me of when Linus would literally do unbox videos from the porch they arrived on or on a table outside in the yard for some reason. The days, I've been here too long and may it continue
The fact that Geoff's case matched the colour scheme of the box killed me
I would love to see what the performance of it would be if you properly flattened the cpu block. And used a newer thermal paste. Just to see how much the poor surface was causing issues.
I agree but also the way the coldplate was designed didn't really flow the coolant over the hot spot so who knows what would be the result but it certainly shouldn't be worse
@@theduck17 I mean it's that really going to master much? It's a solid copper block. Heat will distribute in it pretty much evenly.
The cold plate also looks about 5mm too thick :D
@@4203105 and the liquid stream touches "not moving" liquid
I now want to see a watercooling loop filled with wd40 (thanks Jake)
Filled with WD40, connected with duck tape...
budget 1000$ of W40 XD
@@0Sybylle0 WD40 is like 20 dollars for a gallon
@@MyLonewolf25 Good to see a fellow man of culture who knows that you can buy bulk liquid WD-40 for all your WD-40ing needs without the excess cost of aerosol cans.
@@NiSE_Rafter dude working on cars in the rust belt it’s a necessity
I love that the box for this thing looks like some kind of kids toy. Almost like it’s a super soaker and not a water cooling kit
My Danger Den liquid setup from 2007 is still going strong.
18:44 The Noctua cooler wasn't actually the D15 but rather something like a U12.
I have the Gigabyte Mercury 3D case which came with this cooler in a kit. I got it used, and spent 30 hours cleaning it... but I love how much engineering went into that case.
30 hours! You must be overstating...
@@Forke13 I made a UA-cam video about it, so it includes filming, cleaning the whole PC etc.
Here is a video of the assembly: ua-cam.com/video/oX4-sj0b6vw/v-deo.html
Does anyone know what the PC is with the giant fan in the background?
This takes me back! Modded PC's back then looked like the B2TF DeLorean time machine. Knobs on the back, different gauges on the front. I had a water cooling setup where the "tank" fit into the old CD drive slot, the pump was like from a small fishtank, the back radiator gave her a big dump truck.. and I ran the coolant lines through an open PCI back slot xD
Not all water-cooling kits from this time were as janky as this Gigabyte kit. I had a Swiftec kit from 2007 that was way better than this. It even came with a Laing D5 which I've used in 6 water cooled builds since (100,000 hours of operation) and is still going strong. It's happily pumping away next to me right now. What an amazing pump.
2007 stuff was maybe already better but till 2004 everything was so weird
@@ManOfAttitudeLP1998 right. 2007 was on the upswing of where we are now with technology. 2000-2005 was pretty Wild West of “who knows” hell it was still just windows xp running the world too.
@@WooferCooker yes I was a kid at that time and even had a pentium 3 laptop with windows 98 I got from my dad
@@ManOfAttitudeLP1998 Okay, but this kit was advertised as "I7 compatible" so there's no way it's from 2005
Had systems from thermal take.v2 and v3 What I could remember it was like less than +20C idle and ~+30C on full load. Cpu. Gpu and motherboard was LC.
What a fantastic upgrade! 13 year old me would’ve been stoked
15:24 _Flash-back to Gigabyte PSU Quality_
This brought tears to my eyes! This was my first water cooling kit. Never thought I would see this again! And it was such a pain in the ass if I remember correctly can't wait to watch.
We need a new retro LTT channel, focusing on 98 to Vista time.
I mean, yes.
LGR's already pretty much that.
@@arnox4554 He doesn't upload as often as these guys, sadly.
@@arnox4554 I like LGR a lot, but is a different style, he is more of a 90s/80s guy and more formal in some ways.
We had to remove half the ram. Oh sick, very nice ! Geoff seem like good dude :D:D
From someone too afraid to water cool a build. This was actually awesome.
I'm too afraid too, but I'm fine with air cooling, no problems, simpler maintenance, no risks, just smooth sailing (and I live in a room that never goes past 23 degrees... Even in the summer, so...)
AIOs are fool-proof, but I see what you mean.
I was scared too when i first did it. but let me tell you, theres actualy very little that can go wrong. like most coolants arent even conductive.
My first came from near the time that this set was released, imagine my stress back then. these days its almost idiot proof.
“This is disgusting”
Poor chap who designed it back in 2005: single tear rolls down
Also literally everything seen in the background of that scene is orange and blue: 1:33
This one brings back memories from when i started doing case mods, had a 20$ beige case painted white in an airport workshop that i worked in, cut off one of the sides to had a window and then put one of those red long bulbs, it looked SICK!
That 70c is actually super impressive considering modern paste would probably get it to perform as goods as the noctua
Gotta love videos like this, crazy seeing how different things where >10 years ago.
2005 was 16 years ago. I would say that's closer to 20 than 10.
I can edit my comment too. Also maybe fix the typo.
Linus: "It won't leak, it's GIGABYTE quality."
Me with my pain in the ass GIGABYTE motherboard: 💀
Me, remembering the Gamer's Nexus videos about their PSUs: ^^
There was a time when Gigabyte made incredible products. I had a GTX 980 that was built like a tank. But they’ve really started cutting corners, and it really shows.
Considering this was made for a CPU that wasn't as powerful as this was, I would say, it did very well!
It was actually made for CPUs that are hotter
Your worker took the upgrade like teachers did at a middleschool I had to upgrade from mac iici and iifx models to imacs with no floppy drive and only 1 expansion slot. I still had my mac iici and which i personally owned and everyone wanted the old macs back.
Very nice, I love Geoff's reaction. Great guy.
I remember being 12 building my first pc in 2008 and I thought the sound reactive cathode lights were the coolest thing lol All these new PC builders will never understand the struggle with lighting your case with cathodes before LED strips were popular lol
I still got mine hahaha (not on sounds tough, just permantently on) it gives the kind of light thats unmatched by LED's (much softer, warmer)
I never had cathode in mine but did buy a bunch of 120mm blue LED fans. I think the motherboard I had would glow under a cathode too (DFI Lanparty Nf4).
Jake saying "its so close though" basically sums up my whole life with computer and car modding lol
I got news for you. I got a bike and it's the same shit. engine or not.
the counterstrike fan grill brought back memories, i made my own back in the day for my fan i put in the plexiglass side panel. those were the days lol.
Nice! I had "smaller" version without distro blocks...almost 8 years ago when i build "retro PC" (not really a retro back then) i find one on E-bay sealed...without mounting for 775...so i made one from aluminum and grinder...ahh...good old days... 2x HD 4870 x2 and 1200W power supply...this rig was definetly a space heater.... :D
19:30 Geoff playing along is so perfect lol
He sounded like those gullible people that fall for IRS scams over the phone.
14:25
Okay, you gotta do it now.
Watercooling with WD40 as the coolant.
the intro was so wholesome man, Linus jiggling like a kid in Christmas
I'm gonna be real, I used to think (and still kind of do) computers like this were the coolest looking thing. But I also like mineral oil builds so, I suppose that speaks for itself.
mineral oil builds are sick... to look at. they're a pain to maintain but imo, it's definitely worth it :]
A 2000 style video would be fun too. Fountain pump from hardware store, home made water block or one from danger den, a heater core from a Chevy Vega. I had my pump suspended mid air because it vibrated too much and made a ton of noise if I mounted it on the case.
Cardboard ducting so I could mount the radiator in the case and ensure it was drawing air from the front and outside.
It worked great for years!
This is actually a video about Linus' immense patience reservoir; he's completed multiple projects with Jake.
Right?! Man's a saint!