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Bernie really was one of the greats. Pretty much the only great of our lifetime. Don't know what else to say, dude was an inspiration
Here’s to hoping his efforts inspire more people of integrity to run for office.
i guess im randomly asking but does someone know of a way to get back into an Instagram account..?
I stupidly forgot the password. I appreciate any tricks you can offer me.
@Shepard Zane instablaster ;)
there is a bernie sanders in every generation
boomers will take this world to their graves
At least the homeowner class of boomers
Think this was the most depressing episode of a podcast I’ve ever listened to. Or maybe it’s me who is depressed. Things feel so surreal and bad right now.
It can always get worse, brother
Bernie's legacy and legend will live on for decades to come. From the bottom of our hearts, thank you Bernie. In a time when capitalism and corruption and neo-fascism and all the rest of it threatens to destroy the world, you were our captain steering our ship through the storm. Rest now, dear captain. Your lifelong fight is not forgotten. Your struggle now lives through each of us.
I agree with Amber. The difference is meaningful. Maybe people who wouldn't vote for a left wing candidate would participate in organizing such as Food Not Bombs or Labor Organizing or whatever
Meta they would not. Voting is much easier that organizing. If you cannot get people to vote than they aren’t gonna do shit for any organization. I mean come on.
@@Ryan-yj8eu Its not always about whats easy-those who organize and dont vote might just have no faith in the political system. And can you blame them?
@@Ryan-yj8eu voting is NOT easier than organizing for some people and in some communities.
To the question or the subject of how do you reach people who are still asleep I am a good example of that. In 2016 I voted for Hillary in the primary and I voted for Hillary in the general. My daughter came to me and said you have to vote for Bernie he's the one that aligns with your values and I voted out of fear instead. Then Hillary lost. That shook me so much that I started getting intrested in what happened. After I had went to and NPR, CNN and MSNBC and heard asinine ridiculous reasons. So I got tired of screaming at my radio and my phone and started looking for news elsewhere and found left wing media on UA-cam. It resulted in me wanting to have Bernie become the nominee before he even announced. I think the same is going to happen with Nina Turner. I think she's the next iteration of this movement.
i think the best way to reach people who arent poltically activated is to just talk to people about it. dont be overtly political, but talking about whats humane and how what we have isnt working and we need something new is a great start
So cool reading this in 2022, Heather. And isn’t it fascinating who the “Progressive Caucus” chose instead of Nina Turner. Shame.
Same here. I feel like the media stole my youth I was made to be so terrified of tump when he was a tenth as bad W.
I can't help but feel that Bernie would of been JFKed had he won.
Nobody is asking you to vote for biden but please show up in november to vote for senators, congress people and local and state officials!!!
no.
@@heraclitusblacking1293 based
We can't afford to descent into nihilism, we have to remain strong otherwise they will continue to win. Go out side, join the DSA, join a union, organize. We have a long March ahead of us, we may have lost the battle but the war isn't over
Cringe.
@Xela Flow that's not my point, the point is that we don't disappate or make the rights and libs think that we have given up
@Xela Flow we are getting there, considering how quickly things are escalating.
anyone else working through their depression by watching everything Chapo puts out/has put out? just me?
John Bowden Are you kidding, this podcast is what’s giving me depression. I’ve never listened to anything so dour in my life.
Amber was basically the adult because coming at it from a Labor perspective she knows you're gonna lose a lot more than you win.
My OPINION is that obviously I would've preferred to win but never thought Bernie was going to- but I'm also pretty heartened because we got a LOT closer than I ever expected. I expected something more in line with what happened with Hillary in 2016. The DNC had to pull every trick in the book to stop him, even with Bernie being too nice to his opponents. This election radicalized a lot of people in my own life I'd NEVER imagine being radicalized to the point I'm shocked how many of my friends/family/colleagues and random people I meet offline are basically done drinking the DNC koolaid. None of them think Biden can win, even now- and they're not onboard with voting straight ticket Dem because of some "Stop Trump" bromide. They recognize it's basically a very marginally slower death under Biden vs Trump.
There’s a massive difference between Biden and Trump. You are an idiot if you don”t see that. Just on judicial appointments alone
@@tripp8833 wrong
@@tripp8833 The SCOTUS is already lost. after 5-4 it means precisely dick to replace anyone but a conservative. You can thank Obama for that by the way.
tripp this line doesn’t work get a new slant dummy
matt's argument against amber's entirely valid observation around the 44m mark was extremely frustrating, and i could feel her pain lol
if anyone knew how to break through the shoulder-shrugging and (yes, tedious word) groupthink that occurs when people feel like their opinion might not be viable because someone in the media is arbitrarily saying it's not, we wouldn't be sitting here talking about bernie dropping out. PSYOPS WOULDN'T WORK. if there were a (edit: *more) general awareness that credibility isn't always stacked with the right media outlets or personalities, and that calling out bad faith actors and arguments is better in the long run than adopting the more popular reactionary argument, like... we'd be doing better. i don't know if he's genuinely arguing from a place of incredulity, or just trying to have a solution-based conversation, but it feels counterproductive. we're all already trying to find solutions, and i don't think amber's point is brought up enough or addressed as the actual problem often enough. what's matt's solution in saying "so what" when somebody makes a huge, structurally integral observation about how this shit happens. it IS (or should be) the point of focus.
i don't know if it turns around, because i paused around the 47m mark and i need to go to bed because hearing that exchange used my last brain calories for the day.
As someone from the same end of the Midwest as the two of them, I kinda see both sides, but sadly Matt's kind of right: as someone who canvased for Bernie and purposely asked to go to the black neighborhoods in my town, I can tell you that the noone around here wants to bother anymore as all the older people grew up post both Kennedy's getting popped and lost relatives to the Vietnam war, the Gen Xers watched crack and aids run rampant and the only response was to basically fund harsher policing and harsher sentencing, and no jobs brought in. And my generation already knows our deal. The Midwest knows it too well as the only reason you hear horror stories of CPD and Detroit PD as bad as they are is that the crime bill gave more Federal funding to cops than they EVER did jobs or job training, then wondered why everyone gave up. I can't make a living legally without eventually being crippled, becoming addicted to painkillers or just dying, but I sell even an ounce of weed and guys are losing 2 decades of their lives in Wayne county jail
Yeah I liked Amber's point but she hadn't thought through enough what she was trying to say, it's why she's a better writer than a podcaster. Matt was too harsh.
@@Child_of_the_lie neither were bad in delivery. Again, I'm biased as I have grown up knowing people like them, so neither phase me. Hell, amber reminds me of 3 of my exes lol. But I do love her writing. Matt...trust me, I'd rather deal with him loud and passionate than soft libs on podcasts like rod from the black guy who tips
It someone tells you not voting for Biden is voting for Trump, tell them not voting for Trump is voting for Biden.
The start of the long slow descent into sweet oblivion
The 2020 general election has just confirmed that the American empire is in its last phase.
The real issue at play here is the older demographic who are stuck ideologically in the cold war. Nothing will change as long as they're the primary constituency, and it was naive of us to think that this turnout paradigm could be inverted. Sanders is doing the only thing he can which is to lay the groundwork for something that's going to happen 20 years later.
Yes. People are expecting too much if they think Sanders alone could undo decades of anti-socialist indoctrination.
Everyone just wait 20 years while the oceans displace half of all living humans so we can vote one demsoc into congress!! Electoralism is surely good and worth pursuing
RIP to a real one.
AMEN
Bernie said if he ever tells us to vote for someone not to listen to him.
I find myself coming back to this episode every six months or so since the campaign collapse. It really felt real in 2020, like we were at the door and it was giving in and we were about to change everything. Now with an anemic working class movement, it feels like we missed our moment completely and the moment was 2016. I think the only way to change any of this is if young people organize with ghandian tactics. But we are so far from that being the case. People have to work too much and as a result are more alienated and exhausted then ever. Matt's streams help a lot, if he starts a cult, I'll help distribute the Kool Aid.
1:13:10
Lol y’all never had it. Bernie was only popular in urban leftist bubbles like NYC and LA.
No moment was missed. Bernie seized on an the increasingly pissed off attitude working class people have about the government. We have seen more labor strikes this year than any in the recent past, labor organizing is surging, socially democratic and communist parties have seen surging membership since 2020. The material conditions have existed since 2008 to make a real case for class solidarity. Bernie was a result of this. We are IN the moment, and if the working class can organize and mobilize outside of electoral politics then we can start affecting real change.
@@Janon48 That isnt true in the slightest.
Solidarity forever
Pouring one out for a real one
Thinking about this some more after getting some sleep, I remember an observation that I think Frankie Boyle made in his autobiography. It was something along the lines of "politics is so boring, that anyone who hangs around on the back benches long enough to be the leader must be a psychopath". The more I think about it, the more I think he was on to something.
Put yourself in J.C. or Bernie's shoes. You've been in politics for many decades, and your viewpoints have basically remained the same ever since. How could you not have realised, in all that time (especially the Reagan/Thatcher years), that the house always wins? Who looks at that and thinks "yep, I'll just keep on keeping on, and it's bound to work eventually!"
I don't think they're psychopaths, or even stupid. But then, what are they? Just misguided?
@LLCool Jay
That's my point. He was a Senator for how long? And he didn't eventually realise that "hey, I'm probably never going to achieve anything, because the establishment won't let me". He must have known the odds going in, but kept on going anyway. I admire his perseverance, and Corbyn's.
I guess he did succeed in changing the discourse a bit, by making universal healthcare a mainstream talking point. But how long will it be, I wonder, before the DNC stops talking about it? Maybe it'll still be a big talking point during the next election cycle. I don't know.
@@lewiswhatley687 the danger there is comparing Corbyn and Sanders. They come from radically different systems.
Also you guys are all invited to my Canadian permaculture commune in Saskatchewan if shit gets worse. I'll build us a sauna and everything
larllarfleton even us Americans?
larllarfleton I always wanted to live in a commune.
contact info lol
55:25 "If we said 'vote for Biden,' a lot of people would say, 'Those guys suck, I'm not listening to that show anymore,' and they'd be right."
There you go, from the horse's mouth.
Yeah and?
everyone's a hypocrite sometimes. nobody knows what future circumstances will force them in when anyone says anything
Man I feel like I've been politically blackpilled. Tis a shame, but we must move on.
I’m down with having the biggest party till the species wipes itself out.
In the US, the Demopublican money party always wins...
Thanks folks, just found this CTH a few weeks ago. Love these discussions. Bernie is a good person, far too kind to Biden. Will be writing in Sanders come election time as it won’t matter anyway.
Would be interested in a discussion of whether to stay active in trying to reform the dems vs going 3rd party.
Just listened to this now as starting to make Chapo part of the listening. Brutal. Dark times indeed. but guess I'm in it for life too.
Jesus, do chapo fans hate chapo? I know that Bernie dropping out got us all down, but god, why are you even listening if you hate them so much?
Its less hate and more criticism of how they handle Bernie dropping out. Some people who align more with Jimmy Dore are more critical of Bernie and his "Friend," Joe Biden.
It's the naivete to think that Sanders ever had a chance. The rich (who own the mainstream media and who were all in for Biden) were never going to let it happen. And Chapo believe the election numbers (the voters didn't come out for Bernie)...
Doomer matt with his blackpills
Nakomi over on Majority Report made the point that this was a failure of Bernie's team to not force him to take Biden to task and man, I really hate thinking that but it's entirely true. That they didn't push him harder into gutting Biden after Super Tuesday is greatly responsible for the loss.
nah, don't fixate on something as the sole reason or even the primary reason. Be materialist and understand how completely weighted against him the whole thing was.
Who is this woman this channel talks to? A freakin' light in this time of darkness. And also who are these people, I like the politics of the channel. And yes I'm new around here
Its a podcast, they are regular people (with some patreon money) and the woman is call Amber
@@blackcat1642 _... they are regular people (with some patreon money) ..._
Lol.
Pain.
I feel dead inside.
Tommorow always comes after the dark.
KingOfShenanigan Thanks, Pete.
I know it sucks, but this was always the likely outcome. If nothing else, spite is a good motivator. Keep fighting so you can spit in the face of all the ghouls that are working to keep you and everyone else from having a better life.
Oh btw, now that this is over, I think it's time to bury the hatchet with Virgil and being him back, I know no matter what you think and feel you all miss each other, and I miss you all together, thanks for all you do:)
What happened with Virgil?
Nobody knows, he just left abruptly and no explanation was given, It's too bad
@@fillyjamalama5201 really? I heard he was having computer issues or something, so can't do remote work, what can anybody know? Saying that, I thought Amber and Matt were going to fall out during this episode.
What happened?
I heard Virgil died of vaping?
I didn't know there was a zonier zone than the zone we were already living in, but here we are.
God I don't think I've ever felt more depressed listening to an episode of CTH. I just feel so... defeated. Like, what do I even do now?
Honestly, take a moment to grieve because that's understandable in the circumstances, then go listen to some people who aren't being defeatist and fixating on presidential elections as the be all and end all of politics. And join an organisation. Do what you can to help people around you get through the pandemic. Prepare in case of a general strike, just in case. This isn't the end unless we all allow it to be the end.
Yep, join an org if you can, they're not perfect but it's better than online slactivism. And keep in mind the quarantine and global pandemic is melting everyone's brains, it's hard to think straight.
There's a lot more to politics than presidential elections- which are the most rigged shit in American politics. The fact we made the DNC panic as much as they did speaks to their weakness overall. Join an org and radicalize as many people as you can and support candidates where you can. I say leftists still need to aim big and try to run presidential candidates or be spoilers for Dem candidates if at all possible because what the DNC wants is for leftists to retreat from that space- but local work is still valuable.
Yeah, this shit does indeed suck. We live in a declining empire in the era of a declining planet, industrialization has run its course and the social framework past generations relied on has been atomized beyond measure. The reality is electoralism isn't going to work to bring about a revolution on its own. Join a local organizing group, Amber may have said they're low stakes, but they impact lives and people around you in measurable material ways. Unionize a workplace, seed bomb an empty lot, pour sugar into the concrete of gentrifiers (in Minecraft). Make little baby steps in ways you can. It might not lead us to paving DC into a new Red Square, but it will make 1) people measurably better in meaningful ways and 2) apply your rage and anger in meaningful ways through mutual aid.
It is up to us to work for and build the left coalition we need, and maybe political systems aren't the most efficient way to achieve that. That coalition building isn't going to happen in weeks, months, or even years. We're fighting a uphill battle that makes Sisyphus look like a bitch, but we gotta roll that ball up the fucking hill if we want anything to get better.
The world is fucked and the rigging is up. Breeding ground for radicalization. NOW we recruit, organize and build up. It's never too late and the time is NOW
With the Labour antisemitism thing, I never took it seriously because nobody ever actually gave any examples. There was no tape of Corbyn using slurs, or any antisemitic policies. Even the news coverage was fucking boring. "And tonight, the inquiry into Labours alleged antisemitism continues, blah blah fucking blah". There were never any examples. There was a post he liked on Facebook that turned out to be about some conspiracy theory, which he later apologised for. As if Boris Johnson had never done anything worse?
Edit: oh sorry, I forgot the train carriage thing, which is so ridiculous that it isn't worth remembering.
Double Edit: wait, I forgot, that wasn't to do with antisemitism, it was just this bizarre thing that the media wouldn't stop talking about.
lewis whatley I was saying the same thing, the bbc just kept repeating the same rhetoric without any specifics... it definitely felt like a conspiracy to me, and some MPs in the Labour Party fed the fire to undermine JC.
And your point about Johnson is also very curious. There’s a multitude of videos of Boris Johnson dropping embarrassing racist gaffes... but for him it’s fine, apparently.
It's pretty goddam terrifying how easily the news media can simply repeat obvious bullshit and have it believed.
Orwell was wrong about the need for the memory hole. Carefully covering up your lies? No need. Just put some slapdick morons on the TV to say it's actually fine that the station you're watching right now lied to you for months. Job done. I don't know how to get around it.
The Labour antisemitism thing was real because of idpol, in other words, you have no right idea to say the antisemitism is bollocks if you're not Jewish. Yes I'm being sarcastic.
lets move left
Conceding literally one day after the NYT FINALLY started to talk about Tara Reade was cool and good.
In August or early September 1917 Lenin announced that he wouldn't see the workers' revolution in his lifetime. Sometimes it's darkest before the dawn. La lutte continue, not la tristesse...
Vote Howie Hawkins, mobilize and show the DNC that the youth will get out and vote for the policies that they want. A national healthcare system, an ecosocialist Green New Deal, reparations, nationalizing utilities and the banks.
Hawkins isn't even the nominee yet. Please take a look at Dario Hunter. Hawkins has some big foreign policy red flags
Hawkins sucks. I liked Stein well enough but Hawkins foreign policy is dem nonsense (see russia and syria)
Most valuable commentary seems to be at 52:00-55:30.
I understand the idea of people rolling back their expectations and doing lower-stakes volunteering as grieving. To be honest, I've been feeling accelerationist in that I want the world to suffer, but that's probably just me being temporarily bitter. Ultimately, I think I'll keep involved in my local union, and no matter who wins, we should fight for M4A. I think after this pandemic, it'll be so popular that even Trump will take notice. And we all know how Trump loves to just do stuff he thinks is popular. Who knows?
4 more years of MSM screeching at Trump might do more to raise civilian awareness of American evil than 8 years of a "back to brunch" liberal.
Somebody gotta clue our side in that it's actually possible to win something. This crew has no idea how to compete AT ALL
food not bombs is a vital resource
I completely agree- the election out of our hands now
When was it in your hands? He was always getting ratfucked if his campaign caught on, that by definition means you never had any impact.
They are close to tears.
Wow, not everyone is blinded :-)
Only 10 more episodes, gang!
Bad Timing IMO. Could have the 420 Episode at 4/20
@@HugoStiglitz1942 TRUUUUUE
"Kyle Kooklinski"
59:38
what is the first kind of animal called that Felix wants to keep??
I got the portuguese water dogs and the gibbons but not the two at the beginning.
We need instant runoff voting.
Anything short of that and there will be nothing we can do electorally.
I hate jumping on the Amber hate train, but honestly she was so awful in this episode
I'm only 20min in and I can't count the number of times she's contradicted herself.
She takes so long to get to an actual point...and when she gets there it's so obvious anyway, why did it take you 5 minutes to get there?
I dont know what you are talking about it think she was brilliant in this one
@Clifford your big red God well, for her to not get you stuck with insufferable people like Jamie Peck
She slows the whole tempo down to say nothing of value
I miss Amber. Where's Amber?
Will try to become a human post it because America's short term memory is gone
The South Carolina primary did reveal one of Bernie’s shortcomings as a candidate. He refused to kiss James Clyburn’s….ring. He wouldn’t wear the stupid t-shirt at the fish fry & wouldn’t even ask for his endorsement. If he’d courted him a little maybe he could have avoided the blowout.
That wouldn’t outweigh the pharma money. It just wouldn’t.
Bernie did plenty of establishment butt-kissing: John McCain was my friend, Joe is my friend, lots of empty idpol rhetoric, lots of dumb Trump alarmism, etc.
If anything that was the problem. He made himself sound like an ultra-liberal Democrat, rather than an independent socialist. To a casual bystander, he didn’t stand apart.
There's a line from the French Wars of Religion where King Henry the Good said, "Paris is worth a mass." That is if what the French people want is a Catholic king, then I'll convert, because I want to be king. If you want to be president, stuff like wearing a stupid t-shirt seems like a small thing.
amber totally wrong; the campaign again corbyn, while maybe not completely convincing, did sow plenty of unreasonable doubt and give people one reason or another to hate him.
viva chapo
I understand that voting for bernie in the primary doesnt matter. But in the general Biden will at least but judges on the supreme court that wont legalize LGBT discrimination so why not vote for him. If the DNC doesnt care about winning anyway shouldnt try to at least cut our loses?
I agree. We *know* that if trump gets four more years, he’ll very likely get at least one more chance to put someone on the Supreme Court. If that happens, he WILL put a raging psycho/psychos in there.
If/when that happens, it’s over. A deeply conservative Supreme Court will block anything any future progressive leader tries to do.
And that’s just one of the reasons to dig deep and oppose trump.
@earth ocean I can agree with the sentiment of "fuck Joe Biden" but at the same time he will be pressured to put justices forth that will pander to the liberal wing of the party. They will protect corporations before people but they wont let things like legalized LGBT discrimination happen. Which is at least something to fight for
i don't like when they fight ;_;
pipefx64 This is all we do on the left: fight with each other. As it always has been and always will be.
Yeah politics is when everyone gets along
@@jonsmustache7704 well, consider WHY we fight: as a non white leftist, the reason we, black leftists have mistrust is that we are often a 3rd (at best tier) concern, proof in how Uganda was abandoned when dealing with the entebee hostage crisis.
In America, the black leftists were MORE than ready to have it out with the cops as we'd known for years you guys could tap out and they'd leave you be like what happened with the weather underground after they helped mutulu Shakur, a GREAT teacher in dealing with the micro problems of capitalisms oppression of poor people and how they racialize it.
The problem today is that the left as far as race goes is honestly shit. Maybe the reason the trotskyists were so popular and even brought in converts from maoism is because the rest of the left wanted to be Scandinavia, which everyone forgot was willing to join the Nazis just to not die. By comparison, both China AND the Soviets were WELL prepared to sacrifice huge numbers of their people for it's cause.
Meanwhile, even the tankies have a valid critique that much of the left here is too busy trying to force a fundamentally corrupt system to change. It's like with Cuba: they refuse to play ball with pharmaceutical companies, so they'll litterally smuggle the drugs they need over.
At this point, why aren't we at that point? Why aren't we ready to undercut the government outright and fight back IF WE NEED TO? Medicare 4 all isn't gonna come from top. You might have to resort to a few commie doctors and people willing to steal A LOT of medical supplies. *Shrugs*
a taste of bass Politics is a choice between deadlock or compromise. It’s a pluralistic system which relies on the mediation of conflicting views.
@@jonsmustache7704 ...or be willing to stop negotiating and take power. The right is MORE than ready to, is the left ready to stop them?
Dennis Kucinich? He's an elf who was so charismatic he won over a woman who looks like Jessica Rabbit, after all.
As a short guy who despises war, Kucinich has been an idol of mine for quite a while.
the "Keebler" part is important to include; dude don't look much like Legolas, after all.
holy shit, I wonder if he and Jeff Sessions live in the same tree
@@ernestpaulin6052 *odd_couple_theme.aiff
@@TerrenceNowicki does anyone know what is up with that? Like how did that happen? I've wondered for years.
@@justcommenting4981 According to Mrs. Kucinich, she was so moved by an anti-war essay he wrote that it made her want to date him.
It feels really weird that a couple of episodes ago they were like: "the figth is in the halfway point" and yada yada, and now they are like "we always saw it coming, what do you expect?"
You fuck up in your predictions! Like i dont blame you for what happened or anything but own up to it!
virgil texas was the one saying halfway point, and he's not on this episode. Most of the others have known Sanders was going to loose anyway
Listen to this: ua-cam.com/video/Ni0cBrWC99M/v-deo.html
They were all saying it
@@blackcat1642 there is nothing wrong with being optimistic when theres still a chance of victory, even if youve assessed the reality of the situation and that chance is exceedingly slim. chapo were basically giving the pre battle hype speech like you see in the movies where the good guys are hopelessly outnumbered, and it inspires the troops to win. except here in the real world, the good guys got owned
i figured the sanders campaign was fucked when all the other corporatist scumbags dropped out and endorsed uncle joe right before super tuesday, since it showed that the dnc was willing to go scorched earth in their efforts to defeat it. but i still kept hope that maybe he could pull out a hail mary pass. oh well, sucks to suck
The only person who wasn't a fucking bedwetting loser here (and not completely wrong about electoral politics and the future) was Amber. Also I wonder how Will feels about his Bernie advocacy now since the war in Israel.
Exactly, he was always some closeted labour Zionist. Electoralism always a reminder that there are safeguards within the system to protect itself.
In the first world, it will "softly" undermine any candidates with media, smear campaigns or outright election fraud, just like those bogf##ers on the British Isles did.
. And even if you win (let's say in the third world).you get CIA bankrolled massacre of leftists and neoliberal faciam so CONGRATS EITHER WAY.
We have seen how seen how this system works many times. Let's be under no illusion and just see it for what it is
Tough guy with the hardass take 3 years later
i want bernie to run as independent :)
Corbyn 29:05
34:20 - 37:21
Will points out hypocrisy. 38:10
Why not turn out for down ballot candidates? Did all of politics really hang on one politician for these guys? That’s disappointingly shallow.
Apparently 2020 was the last year that Medicare or Medicaid could be significantly expanded or something. It's just a bizarre way of thinking. There is no final victory or defeat. The thing just continues. The collapse narrative is also silly.
@@paulocesarferraro5722
Absolutely!!
of course, if trump gets any more psychos on the supreme court, it won't matter who wins in 2024, 2028 etc. They'll be able to block anything a progressive candidate tries to do.
Elections matter and sitting them out is just not a luxury America can afford.
Let’s all form an Underground Railroad to a Land Purchase (Trump will sell anything!) occupied by a various and sundry: US!
Where is Felix?
I believe the Chapos have been very clear on this. If you have any questions, you're not supposed to just type them in a UA-cam comment section. All questions comments and hate mail are supposed to be sent directly to Virgil Texas and his email address. Thank you.
@@julymagnus493 If you can't answer my question why reply? You seem stupid tbh.
No mention of AOC as future Bernie figure is weird to me, she could be Bernie (politics) and Obama (appeal) combined. Bernie as John the Baptist, maybe
She got them tig ol bitties
by the time she's of age the world will be over
Anti-semitism complaints are about the Us and UK doling out military equipment and maintaining joint-partnerships (gravy train- all military contracts are front-end financed, then all costs are passed on to either Treasury).
@Django Fett Eh
Thank god for Amber. Injecting a bit of reality into this defeatist leftibro sandwich.
The leftibros are defeated because people like you still want to try and beg the system to give in when really it needs to be destroyed. But we won't because people like you are afraid what nihilism creates: fatalism, which could bring things down
Colonel Covid Gaddafi And radicals like you don’t realize you’ll never get sizeable support for revolution until the individual cost for revolution becomes less then the cost of the status quo. As long as the majority of people aren’t dying of starvation, they will not overthrow capitalism. Because you’re asking them to risk their lives for a hypothetically better future. Never mind one which has failed to materialize in past efforts. Read Gordon Tullock’s Paradox of Revolution.
@Django Fett tell that to my cousins in Vietnam. Again, this is how I know your all just white libs. The system hasn't crushed you like they've done MY family (were Algerian, my great uncle had kids by a Vietnamese maoist)
@@jonsmustache7704 again, it's not bad FOR YOU, MY people however, should have risen up LONG ago, but all the annoying black libs like van Jones and Michael Eric Dyson keep us in check. Eventually, all they're gonna do is cause a black strausserite uprising, which would be SHIT
Colonel Covid Gaddafi Look I don’t doubt that Algeria is a hellhole of inequality and primed for revolution, and in such a case, all the power to you. But this is a podcast about a United States democratic primary, and so when people like myself say revolution isn’t a feasible solution, we mean so in the context of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and other similar western nations. Because Yknow that’s the whole topic of the podcast.
Watching August 2022. Biden with lowest approval of all time? Lower than Trump? So no, nothing to be ashamed of in ardent support for Bernie - forever.
that didn't quite age well
Berne would not even call tulsi the guy just cant build any type of coalitions
This is about the only serious campaign criticism. He should have tried to reach out to the others that at least shared some aspect of his vision. He still would have lost, but at least the strength of the remaining coalition would have been greater. Ultimately, Democratic voters are too well disciplined, and obey corporate media too religiously. The corporate machine has to be attacked like Jon Stewart did to FoxNews. That is not something that can be done in a campaign cycle. It would need to be an on going project.
Lol, tulsi is part of a anti gay cult. She's a nut
It sucks but Bernie is doing what has to be done. As awful as Biden is, 4 more years of Trump putting in rightwing judges and justices on the supreme court will cripple any progressive change for the next 30 years
The GOP has outright stated, in no uncertain terms and with absolute clarity, that they will forever reject any attempts by a Democratic President to nominate a court justice. Biden has a history of confirming conservative judges, and he’s a student of the game enough to know that’s the only way he’ll ever get even an iota of a chance at getting whatever gutted, concession-filled bill he wants through the Senate. The courts are a fucking sham and have been since Obama got court-cucked by McConnell and co five years ago. Electing Biden won’t change a motherfucking thing in that regard, so stop getting your hopes up.
EDIT: Also, the GOP doesn’t need to worry about kneecapping progressives, That’s what their “opposition” is for.
Not just the supreme court but federally appointed judges across the country
Hopefully the Democrats will gain the Senate and can do to Trump what McConnell's Senate did to Obama. But they probably wouldn't. Democrats rarely fight full on dirty like the Republicans do.
@@fyt54321 unless its against a progressive candidate in their own ranks
Why are liberal morons wasting their time in here? You realize chapo listeners may be the least receptive demographic to this idiotic argument. If you want Biden to win you should be nailing the doors shut to old folks homes so they don’t all get infected with coronavirus.
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I miss Matt's input, Felix's too, well, TG for cushbomb anecdotes/analyses and juchegang "jokerfied" videos
The Bernie campaign machine can be a PAC or NGO
Christman was grumpy. Probably from inhaling so many doinks the past week.
Cringe.
WHEN BERNIE SAID "NOT ME. US." WE DIDN'T REALIZE BY "US" HE MEANT 'ME AND MY BOYFRIEND JOE AND THE DNC".
Caps lock spaz
Stop comparing Bernie to Corbyn. The most generous thing you can say about Corbyn is that he was merely incompetent. He was better than Johnson but that's not saying a lot.
Thank you. I'm really sick of the comparisons too.
John Fallon I agree Bernie has a mass movement behind him, Corbin had a bunch of middle class trustafarians behind him
England racist? Bahaha
This aged well
Vote for Biden. Please, the environment cannot afford another 4 years of deregulation.
Biden will be replaced at the convention because "his brains no worky."
We all remember the Obama Biden green new deal
I'm sorry, but how exactly is this supposed to make a case for Biden?
Please keep in mind that Biden himself and the people he surrounds himself with have a multi-decade track record of ideological committment to not meaningfully addressing the climate issue (apart from using it as an empty campaign talking point ofc). Trump, on the other hand, has just proven himself to be too incompetent, too lazy and profoundly disinterested in any type of major legislative endeavour and to approach this particular subject in a completely non-ideological, i.e. purely instrumental fashion. He also has a relatively strong incentive to change his stance on the matter (as a cheap way of garnering sufficient additional voter support) and is significantly less likely to lull the people who care the most / are in positions to do anything about the issue into total complacency. So, if anything, this is actually making a case for Trump - that is, without taking into account the minor differences in foreign policy (regarding trade volumes and military committments in the Asia-Pacific region) which alone could easily neutralize the effects of any 'Green New Deal'-type policy Biden might come up with.
Biden has an F minus rating from several environmental groups. The environment is totally screwed either way jimothy. That's what is so depressing about this election...
they live in New York it would’ve been a pointless game
"With Corbyn, you would have had a negotiator." Giga-cringe moment right there.
The Tories have doomed Great Britain to breaking up.
there is no optimistic scenario.
"Chinese research chemicals"? Where do we get those???
eye water rn
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So you can't criticize Bernie during the campaign when it might have helped, you can't criticize him now because its mean (I guess?) but "at some point it does make sense to look at what could have been done differently." So when Baron is president we can finally talk about Bernie's awful campaign that went worse than 4 years ago when he wasn't even really trying. These guys are hacks, a podcast ago they were saying "They were never going to let Bernie have it" ok then why the fuck did you tell people to give the campaign money and time and tell people to drive halfway across the fucking country to canvass and then give some more money if it was impossible? Are they grifters or dumbasses?
"People who feel betrayed by Bernie need to grow up! Also he is a saint who was too good for us and made no important errors really ever." lol ok. Of course they sleep good at night, latching onto the Sander's "movement" made them rich.
It wasn't an awful campaign, that's mythology.
Fact of the matter is, campaigns don't matter if Barack Obama and The Media are behind you.
Geez. Heaven forbid people try and have a bit of hope. At the time, it really looked like he had a chance. Nothing wrong with that.
@@mrbadguysan ok so running for president was a waste of time then because no one ever thought The Media and Obama would get behind Bernie.
@@SchutzBoysband you could argue that The Establishment would have done anything to stop Bernie, but the way we got here wasn't obvious.
1) It was not certain that Klobb, Mayor Pete, and Bloomberg would drop out at Obama's command. If any of them kept going, Biden would be screwed.
2) it wasn't obvious that Warren wouldn't endorse. Even The Sanders Campaign was surprised.
3) we all knew Republicans were brainwashed by Fox. It wasn't obvious that CNN and MSNBC could make a loser like Biden electable.
4) it was really astonishing how resistant older black voters were to Bernie.
5) COVID-19 happened.
@@cow_tools_ raising hope for something that was never going to happen (as Chapo has repeatedly said since Bernie effectively lost) is a terrible idea.
"voting is the most minute form of political participation" I'm sorry but that's some stupid shit
Absolutely is.
What's more minute?
For other forms of engaging in electoral politics it might be debatable, but as far as voting itself is concerned it is very obviously correct.
It is the _minimum_ yes, but Matt is (again) being a moron by suggesting you do not do it.
He's correct, though. It is the bare minimum you have to do to participate in democracy. It would require more effort to organize, do mutual aid/direct action, or volunteer for a candidate. Voting is the first step, but as a result you can't expect world shifting change because all you did was cast a vote.
straight up squawk laughed at the hot couch plug
I can't believe they've been podcasting this long, and most of them still haven't overcome the bad habit of injecting the word "like" into every other sentence. Guys, if your brain needs to catch up with your words it's fine, just take a pause.
like, that's like, yer opinion man.
Its not a big deal
OP is a masterclass example of a person who has never had any real problem to worry about.
Who cares?
I have writen to my Sate Board of Elections and Demanded they purge my name from the rolls. I recommend the move....
ur not rudderless u simps i'll b ur glorious leader
Cope harder Bernie bros. I’m ridin with Biden 😂😂😂😎
Yeah enjoy losing to Trump, you clueless buffoon. After that, you eat some lead.
@@HD-uh7nj I am reeling from the Biden loss to Trump. Loser.
@@TheChromanoise you thinking that I'm a trumptard is hilarious. Enjoy the compromising and string of defeats, prat.
we need a green-libertarian fusion ticket
Lol, the bernie faction *DON'T* want pedophile elites and there isn't a single person who embeaces libertarian policy and *ISN'T* obsessed with fucking kids
*sniff*
Ah, I love the smell of cope and pity in the mornings
Welp i dont know how they didnt see this coming. Bernie gets a lot of heat for being an alternative to traditional leftism then he quits and submits to the dom demacrat. He did this four years ago... Bernie just the flavor flav to the democrat party choice.
What else is he supposed to do pull a Guaido and declare hinself the nominee?