To be fair, a pair of Southern Boys who fought for racism then reinventing themselves as good guy cowboys and hoping nobody remembers has a huge amount of historical precedence.
So basically modern day, current. Chris Jericho but with better taste in music...seeing how acdc rules and foggy or whatever his shit band is called sucks
I am kind of disappointed that you didn't mention how Tracy Smothers may be the last legititimate wrestler (well, as legitimate as you can be in this context) to have wrestled a bear.
I found Victory entertaining in ECW, apart of Corino's stable. I never really thought of him as any main event level guy, just a dude that could work a serviceable match. Nothing wrong with that though.
I was watching the Kayfabe Commentaries ECW Timeline for 1998 with New Jack the other day and he talked about Jack Victory in that interview. When asked about him New Jack he remembered him walking around the locker room in a green thong and just how bad he was in the ring. One night Jack Victory’s match was so bad that he walked out the back, told Paul Heyman not to pay him as he didn’t deserve it, then New Jack said “that was the last time we saw his ass, figuratively and literally with his green thong”. Funny that I never heard of Jack Victory until the KC Timeline Of ECW 98 and now a few days later I get to see him.
Yeah he looks good in a suit but he still looks like the Red Rooster in the ring. You’d think if Taylor wanted to distance himself from the rooster gimmick he’d get different color ring gear too. Do black trunks and pads.
He was the butt of many, many jokes with my friends and I back in the day. We never heard the term "jobber" before and would refer to all enhancement talent as "Jack Victorys"
My favorite part of the computer gimmick was when the computer finally calculated all the variables it always came to the conclusion of hitting the opponent over the head with the computer
I work a jock strap when I played football in high school. Fruit of The Loom brand would disappear my stuff. Rawlins brand made me look like John Holmes.
York: I have put in all the data, and my program predicts victory in Twenty two minutes and forty eight seconds. Announcer: The following contest is scheduled for one fall, with a fifteen minute time limit. York: ....*furious typing*
If I wanted a portable that could do some damage, I'd have gone for the Commodore SX-64. Not only could play IK+ on it but Terence Taylor could have knocked his opponent absolutely sparko with it
@@ChrisHopkinsBass the Commodore (in my opinion the first really good home computer that you bought at a toy store...lol) came out later with a external drive.....
The crown still owns all land in Australia and new Zealand. If they want to claim your land you already own, they are allowed to. They haven't exercised that right very much and never on individual families, but legally, they can.
Crown land in Australia is owned by their respective state government and is less than a quarter of the land nationwide. Once it's sold, it's not Crown land anymore.
I only know him from ECW and when he showed up I'm like, who's this mullet man always getting the upper hand on New Jack? Being in ECW wasn't terrible for a wrestler who can't wrestle and he did just grab weapons 😆 He was tolerable as Corino's lackey like others were saying. Also 1985 Wrestling Observer Rookie of the Year 😅😅 ... staunch 🤣
He looks like a larger Bobby Eaton! LOL I always thought Terri Runnels was a beauty. I would be shocked if the Trash 80 took batteries, probably needed to be plugged in?
Jack Victory is the reason I’ve watched literary any territory TV wrestling lol. I had the WWE Network for a year and decided to use it watch the entirety of Steve Corino’s ECW run. But wanted context on his manager first. So watched every single episode of a show that searching his name brought up. It was less than 10 iirc. And I think he was a mid card jobber every time. But still, it was an enlightening experience that I wouldn’t have gotten without his impetus. Hell; the MidSouth episode(s?) he was on also featured both the famed Cornette face-to-cake angle, and a 4-way tag team match that Cornette’s cited as his inspiration for the Triple Threat match.
what kind of militia would New Zealand have?? Also hafta say the Southern Boys were a great tagteam. Those southern WCW crowds loved them and they moved fluidly in the ring
That computer, or one like it, was mentioned in the Tom Clancy Novel Patriot Games ….. I have always felt that TC had gotten one after writing Hunt For Red October , and liked it so much he plugged it into his next book
0:31 " they found these medieval costumes and they've put them on to go for a brawl with another couple of bums" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣..just recently found this channel ....I'm now binge watching ...you two are hilarious ..keep up the great work guys 👍
Not to be that guy, but the whole Wild Eyed Southern Boys gimmick made perfect since JCP/WcW was primarily a Carolina/Georgia based promotion for the longest time. Gotta play to your audience.
Fun fact: the worst WCW Wrestler on cagematch (for ratings based on their wrestling, not their outside the ring antics) is the No Limit Soldier's 4x4/Kash at an astounding 0.81!
I can't believe I actually have to explain this. A Jock strap is used to hold an athletic cup. It's designed with a pouch in which the cup is placed. Which is basically a piece of reinforced plastic or even metal designed to protect a man's testicles from being accidentally hit while playing whatever sport they are participating in. Usually, it is legally required when playing baseball, hockey, football(both American and Soccer), wrestling. Basically any contact sport. Especially on a league level or in school athletic programs for both insurance reasons and to protect the players. The reason it's called a "jock" strap is because it's named after the "jocks" who use it. A term used to describe athletes. Usually in a negative way. Some dudes would wear it over their underwear, some would wear it under their underwear, some guys would just wear the jock strap and no underwear at all. Although the strap only covers the "front" of a man and his ass is left "exposed" because of how it's designed. Lmfao.
If I recall, this was about the time the lawsuit dropped on the NFL from a female reporter. This was WCW's witty way of addressing it, like VKM's obsession with addressing the baseball and umpires strikes...
The Tandy TRS-80 Model 100 was eight years old and had sold some 5-6 million units by that point. Even by 1991 standards it was (and looked) hilariously dated. If you had or knew anyone with a home computer, even a Commodore 64, in 1991 it's pretty likely it looked significantly more advanced than the Model 100. It's one of those perfect examples of the older generation trying to do things they think will please younger viewers without putting in any effort in getting to know even the first damn thing about what they're doing. 😆 Dusty really was a master at that. I will refer you to his rapping.
Look at the wrestler laying on the ground sleeping behind stan hansen when stan is in missy hyatts face around the 6 minute and 50 second mark pause 7 minute 11 seconds guy looks dead lol😂
Jack victory saw him live he bled for us in Poplar bluff mo. They did a show here and it was a raucous crowd... They equaled us to the The ECW arena... And we had no alcohol... Best show I've been to.
Jockstrap are usually like a pocket for a nutcup and usually it puts a type of pressure that hides your package unless you are wearing it with a nutcup
Can we not give some quick love for the couple month Luger - Hansen US Title feud? That is a hidden gem on Starrcade 90. Their Havoc 90 match was better
Jack was a hard-working journeyman wrestler who threw one of the best right hands of the era. He and John Tatum were a great team as well. Not very good promo and had he come alone 10 years earlier he would have done better. Not a technical marvel but far from WCW's worse wrestler.
Young Guns reference / Young Pistols connection acknowledgment? hail mary full of awesome. have not heard anything anywhere about that movie in at least a decade + you are my people(s) OP
No doubt, Jack Victory was hot garbage, but I have to give him some credit as he found employment in WCCW, WCW, ECW and probably about 27 other organizations...at this point in his career maybe he was "quiet quitting" his job??
To be fair, a pair of Southern Boys who fought for racism then reinventing themselves as good guy cowboys and hoping nobody remembers has a huge amount of historical precedence.
Jack Victory is like Jericho’s older brother who drank too many tallboys, listened to too much AC/DC, and drove a Trans-Am to his Dairy Queen job.
So basically an IRL Tex Ferguson from Southpaw Wrestling?
So basically modern day, current. Chris Jericho but with better taste in music...seeing how acdc rules and foggy or whatever his shit band is called sucks
That just sounds like AEW Chris Jericho 😂
So Chris Jericho, but fun, or a worse abusive junkie? If the ladder, I doubt he even has a job much less a Trans Am.
He looks like an awful like Jericho now lol
I am kind of disappointed that you didn't mention how Tracy Smothers may be the last legititimate wrestler (well, as legitimate as you can be in this context) to have wrestled a bear.
Ha! It's come up in other podcasts we've done, we LOVE Smothers
I'm too young to have known him "live", but after seing some of his work, the guy is on top of my "criminally underrated" list.
How ABOUT Because he's NOT , DUTCH MANTEL ECT. Believe me there more
@@WrestleMeHow ABOUT Because he's NOT , what about DUTCH MANTEL ECT. Believe me there more
I found Victory entertaining in ECW, apart of Corino's stable. I never really thought of him as any main event level guy, just a dude that could work a serviceable match. Nothing wrong with that though.
Victory did stay with ECW to the bitter end.
Yeah he was great at standing in the back ground saying yeah when corino was done tslking😊
@@jamesthompson3023 it was more than that. Sometimes he'd get beat up by New Jack. 😂
Wowwwww!!! I didn’t realize this is the same Jack Victory when I opened this
I was watching the Kayfabe Commentaries ECW Timeline for 1998 with New Jack the other day and he talked about Jack Victory in that interview. When asked about him New Jack he remembered him walking around the locker room in a green thong and just how bad he was in the ring. One night Jack Victory’s match was so bad that he walked out the back, told Paul Heyman not to pay him as he didn’t deserve it, then New Jack said “that was the last time we saw his ass, figuratively and literally with his green thong”. Funny that I never heard of Jack Victory until the KC Timeline Of ECW 98 and now a few days later I get to see him.
He certainly had the ass for that green thong.
Yeah he looks good in a suit but he still looks like the Red Rooster in the ring. You’d think if Taylor wanted to distance himself from the rooster gimmick he’d get different color ring gear too. Do black trunks and pads.
lol no shit eh
He was the butt of many, many jokes with my friends and I back in the day. We never heard the term "jobber" before and would refer to all enhancement talent as "Jack Victorys"
@@guyincognito143 🤣 Please elaborate.
I appreciate the lengths Pete went to in researching the computer. No stone unturned
i love all these old videos and you guys always have the best analysis. Also, thank you for teaching me about british wrestling!
VICTORY first came into prominence with his tag team with Hollywood John Tatum in WCCW and Bill Watts UWF
You must be a mature fellow, I remember him pulling the curtain at WCCW house shows and I was a lirttle kid.
The New Zealand militia having boomerangs appealed to the Australian in me
As the ol joke goes... What do you call a sophisticated aussie?
kiwi.
As an adult watching wrestling truly the question that never occurred to me as a kid is " what exactly are these guys doing with their junk?*.
I only know this guy for being in ECW Hardcore Revolution and ECW Anarchy Rules on the PSOne/N64.
Hardbody Harrison is rated 0.77 on Cagematch
Excellent research Dan! And that total seems high for HH
Wasn't he some sort of nonce or something?
My favorite part of the computer gimmick was when the computer finally calculated all the variables it always came to the conclusion of hitting the opponent over the head with the computer
Yeh it was a fantastic international object!
Victory was a solid worker, a lack of charisma and a multitude of poor gimmicks were his problems. He was the heel version of Brad Armstrong.
I wouldn‘t go that far
Seriously, Terri Runnels/"Alexandra York" was rather sexy back then.
Terry rocking the same outfit for both companies. There needs to be more Terry/Terri partnerships.
One of my favorite tag teams was Jack Victory and Hollywood John Tatum. Want to say they held the straps in Watts UWF and Wccw.
I work a jock strap when I played football in high school. Fruit of The Loom brand would disappear my stuff. Rawlins brand made me look like John Holmes.
I looked on your patreon site and there does not appear to be an organized section of ppv podcasts. Am I missing it?
York: I have put in all the data, and my program predicts victory in Twenty two minutes and forty eight seconds.
Announcer: The following contest is scheduled for one fall, with a fifteen minute time limit.
York: ....*furious typing*
Nice episode once again. :)
You know young folks... the 'Trash' 80 was a useable system back in the day...if you could wait for the tape drive to try to load
If I wanted a portable that could do some damage, I'd have gone for the Commodore SX-64. Not only could play IK+ on it but Terence Taylor could have knocked his opponent absolutely sparko with it
@@ChrisHopkinsBass the Commodore (in my opinion the first really good home computer that you bought at a toy store...lol) came out later with a external drive.....
The crown still owns all land in Australia and new Zealand. If they want to claim your land you already own, they are allowed to. They haven't exercised that right very much and never on individual families, but legally, they can.
Crown land in Australia is owned by their respective state government and is less than a quarter of the land nationwide. Once it's sold, it's not Crown land anymore.
*Dusty Rhodes:* Believe me there's quite a lot of data in her computer and it calculated that she should be my daughter in law....
Victory bearing a striking resemblance to Mel Smith in the thumbnail there.
In his book Ole Anderson actually claims credit for the gimmick in 1990 with Lord Littlebrook as their manager.
How did Rip Morgan rate on that site?
It was invisible font. U want the opponent seeing ur gameplan?
He’s ECW. That was wrestling. Hardest working roster I’ve ever seen.
I only know him from ECW and when he showed up I'm like, who's this mullet man always getting the upper hand on New Jack? Being in ECW wasn't terrible for a wrestler who can't wrestle and he did just grab weapons 😆 He was tolerable as Corino's lackey like others were saying. Also 1985 Wrestling Observer Rookie of the Year 😅😅
... staunch 🤣
I’m sure that The Royal Family got those costumes from Its a Royal Knockout
0:21 the one on the left looks like an actor for Henry VIII
He looks like a larger Bobby Eaton! LOL
I always thought Terri Runnels was a beauty.
I would be shocked if the Trash 80 took batteries, probably needed to be plugged in?
I'm fairly confident a wrestler named Z man today would be a heel every where but in Russia.
He was in a pretty decent tag team with "Hollywood" John Tatum in UWF and WCCW in the mid-1980s, feuding with The Fantastics.
Pants under the trunks. If you wore a jockstrap and did a front bump, your sack would pop.
Jack Victory is the reason I’ve watched literary any territory TV wrestling lol. I had the WWE Network for a year and decided to use it watch the entirety of Steve Corino’s ECW run. But wanted context on his manager first. So watched every single episode of a show that searching his name brought up.
It was less than 10 iirc. And I think he was a mid card jobber every time. But still, it was an enlightening experience that I wouldn’t have gotten without his impetus. Hell; the MidSouth episode(s?) he was on also featured both the famed Cornette face-to-cake angle, and a 4-way tag team match that Cornette’s cited as his inspiration for the Triple Threat match.
what kind of militia would New Zealand have?? Also hafta say the Southern Boys were a great tagteam. Those southern WCW crowds loved them and they moved fluidly in the ring
Well, I think they're called Dwarves, Elves and Hobbits
yep tracy was a big deal in the south.
Because they were the most talented underrated wrestlers in the world IMHO
Jack Victory vs New Jack about a million times in ECW
That computer, or one like it, was mentioned in the Tom Clancy Novel Patriot Games …..
I have always felt that TC had gotten one after writing Hunt For Red October , and liked it so much he plugged it into his next book
Dusty hates Ms. York at this time? I loved The York Foundation as a kid.
0:31 " they found these medieval costumes and they've put them on to go for a brawl with another couple of bums" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣..just recently found this channel ....I'm now binge watching ...you two are hilarious ..keep up the great work guys 👍
Thinking wrestle me should dip into the awa at some point: the battle of the breakfast cereal, the green screen episode etc
Terry Taylor is much better in this role than Rotundo was
his work was sound and still unremarkable
Well Giant Gonzalez was in wcw as El Gigante and he has a 1.28 rating.
Well Jeep Swenson was The Ultimate Solution in WCW and he is rated 1.00
@@danpettitt7012 Not sure if i should add Ed Ferrara or Bubba Hogans c*m Sponge, they are in the 0. area.
His testicules came loose?!?!? I do not remember that’s I hope they got them tightened back up.
Worst wrestler In wcw and you went with Jack victory? Obviously you or whoever have no idea what they are talking about
Wow Z-Man really looks like Colin Farrell! 😂
I see a new WrestleMe video, I click. Thems tel he rules.
Not to be that guy, but the whole Wild Eyed Southern Boys gimmick made perfect since JCP/WcW was primarily a Carolina/Georgia based promotion for the longest time. Gotta play to your audience.
There's a clip of Tracy Smothers getting booed and harassed so much by Juggalos that he had to leave before the match even started.
I wonder if you can install Chuckie Egg on that TRS80
Fun fact: the worst WCW Wrestler on cagematch (for ratings based on their wrestling, not their outside the ring antics) is the No Limit Soldier's 4x4/Kash at an astounding 0.81!
Jack Victory got them faaaatt assses!
Ayy yo
The wildest shit about this podcast is that they always skip the finishes. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Geeeeezus
I can't believe I actually have to explain this. A Jock strap is used to hold an athletic cup. It's designed with a pouch in which the cup is placed. Which is basically a piece of reinforced plastic or even metal designed to protect a man's testicles from being accidentally hit while playing whatever sport they are participating in. Usually, it is legally required when playing baseball, hockey, football(both American and Soccer), wrestling. Basically any contact sport. Especially on a league level or in school athletic programs for both insurance reasons and to protect the players. The reason it's called a "jock" strap is because it's named after the "jocks" who use it. A term used to describe athletes. Usually in a negative way. Some dudes would wear it over their underwear, some would wear it under their underwear, some guys would just wear the jock strap and no underwear at all. Although the strap only covers the "front" of a man and his ass is left "exposed" because of how it's designed. Lmfao.
I thought Jack Victory and Hollywood John Tatum were a solid tag team in WCCW
Jack victory was not a terrible pro wrestler its the gimmicks they made him do that made it ridiculous . At times.
I think this dude was in ecw and he looks like zach morris here with a mullet. Is he saved by the bell?
@4:15 The Cup goes inside the Jock Stap pouch.
The Pistols were a good team but people wanted style . They had none
You should do a Tim Horner episode! 🥸
Jack Victory was consistent. Sucked everywhere he worked.
If I recall, this was about the time the lawsuit dropped on the NFL from a female reporter. This was WCW's witty way of addressing it, like VKM's obsession with addressing the baseball and umpires strikes...
The Tandy TRS-80 Model 100 was eight years old and had sold some 5-6 million units by that point. Even by 1991 standards it was (and looked) hilariously dated. If you had or knew anyone with a home computer, even a Commodore 64, in 1991 it's pretty likely it looked significantly more advanced than the Model 100. It's one of those perfect examples of the older generation trying to do things they think will please younger viewers without putting in any effort in getting to know even the first damn thing about what they're doing. 😆
Dusty really was a master at that. I will refer you to his rapping.
Jack Victory was in WCCW as well. Classic journeyman wrestler. Far from the worse.
Chaps here's one much worse, David Flair on 2.06.
Although Jack Victory was rubbish. 0:02
Terry Taylor: I''m still wearing red and I'm not Michael Wall Street. Just a guy with no ideas.
I love Terri as Alexandra York
Dusty defragged it himself
Look at the wrestler laying on the ground sleeping behind stan hansen when stan is in missy hyatts face around the 6 minute and 50 second mark pause 7 minute 11 seconds guy looks dead lol😂
The computer gimmick is really fun, I think. But to be honest, it needs to be "100% accurate" for the first few matches before showing any losses.
I saw Jack Victory team up with John Tatum, Eddie Gilbert and Sting in the Mid South/UWF back in the Eighties.
These videos lmao Marc and Peter going on about wrestlers getting their balls out was golden 😂
you know those guys are neither athletes nor gays, the way they talk about jockstraps like this mysterious thing
He looks like Britains Bad Boy Barry Hardy
I always liked Jack Victory.
In WCCW he had an amaaaazing shirt that read;
“New Jersey, the brains of Texas”
Jack Victory was part of Steve Corino's onscreen entourage in ECW in the late 90s, if that helps!
Mick Foley tells a brilliant slipped out story in his first book where he convinced Biob Holly to reveal Al Snow's junk in a match
Jack victory saw him live he bled for us in Poplar bluff mo. They did a show here and it was a raucous crowd... They equaled us to the The ECW arena... And we had no alcohol... Best show I've been to.
Jockstrap are usually like a pocket for a nutcup and usually it puts a type of pressure that hides your package unless you are wearing it with a nutcup
another great video from "Straight up" Marc Haynes and "Five nights at freddie's" Pete Donaldson
Can't be the worst considering Equalizer/Dave (Evad) Sullivan existed
Can we not give some quick love for the couple month Luger - Hansen US Title feud? That is a hidden gem on Starrcade 90. Their Havoc 90 match was better
Jack was a hard-working journeyman wrestler who threw one of the best right hands of the era. He and John Tatum were a great team as well. Not very good promo and had he come alone 10 years earlier he would have done better. Not a technical marvel but far from WCW's worse wrestler.
You're asking for trouble with trunks.
Terri Runnels couldn't type but she was serving secretarial glamour Realness
to be fair you see Mick Foley's sock on a number of ocassions
Young Guns reference / Young Pistols connection acknowledgment?
hail mary full of awesome.
have not heard anything anywhere about that movie in at least a decade +
you are my people(s) OP
Almost no wrestlers wear jockstraps or cups. They look insane in tights.
No, the that jobber Blackheart who didn't sell for Spivey & Sid Eudy is the worst.
The worst I have seen. The Mulkey Brothers, The Cruel Connection, The Ding Dongs, and Larry Santo.
He took Condreys place in midnight vs midnight tag match @ ppv. I was disappointed.
Mine always go on the right side.
Giant Gonzalez has a 1.28 rating with 300+ votes. He's the worst somewhat known wrestler I could find on CageMatch
No doubt, Jack Victory was hot garbage, but I have to give him some credit as he found employment in WCCW, WCW, ECW and probably about 27 other organizations...at this point in his career maybe he was "quiet quitting" his job??
Gobbledy Hooker did have a few "matches" and even beat R Truth for the 24/7 title I believe
To think this is the same guy who would become jack victory and did pretty ok for himself in ECW