i recently picked tekken 8 and fightning games in general and decided to main lee. So far i basically never win games but i watch your content to get better haha.
So you never played tekken, even better never played fighting games and you picked lee?! The fuckin mad man, good shit dood, stick to it and you'll get good eventually, lee is very strong and very fun, but arguably the hardest character in the game, if you cant learn him you topped the difficulty charts ahah, but dont be afraid or ashamed to also play an easier character, for your sanitys sake. Best tip i can give you is, stick to 1/2 character and learn them, dont over do it
These videos help me so much with match ups and what I should be thinking when I play Lee. This is my first tekken game I already have over 250 hours on Lee because of your videos man keep them up!
The way I've seen points work is that they implemented the loss streak penalty from TGP/TGO in T7 across all ranks in T8. Losing 3 matches in a row seems to heavily subtract your points. The issue is that the game doesn't notify what or why it's happening so it appears to happen for no rhyme or reason.
The mixup from the camera man 33:34 was too good 😢😂 Appreciate your content! I’m coming from Law/Shaheen but I’m trying to get into Lee after never even considered him before. Seems really fun so far!
Im really happy i found you camacho, really needed someone to teach me how to play lee and come up with gameplan and giving me matchup knowledge on other characters, freaking love you
damn camacho these matches were rough. From the Drag to not being able to stop the lars from promo, then to thinking you would get a break, only face a Xiaoyu to lose 1k points. I felt the pain.
I don’t play that much rank (I’m in the orange ranks right now) but man I would expected for people not to mash in the high ranks wth 😭. And good video I would’ve been screaming over xiaoyu
As someone who played a lot of Drag in T7 and a decent bit in 8 the #1 hardest type of player to deal with as Drag is people who are allergic to blocking. It sounds stupid but as soon as you respect Drag's frames and his WR2 he's going to autowin (especially with the chip in T8). Drag doesn't have very good counter hit options (bar maybe his WR2 if they're good at iWR) so doing a simple one jab out of WR2 every now and again does wonders I think. It just gives Drag something thing think about so he can't just completely autopilot during WR2 pressure. WR2 pressure was the exact same in T7 and imo that's still the best way to counter a Drag player
I guess it's never a good time in ranked, but you did pretty good for the amount of things that were happening. I was about to become lactose intolerant from all the CHEESE that Dragunov, Lars and Xiayu were doing 😂 I guess that's expected to be seen there, though. Anyways, great video as always and I can't wait to see what else you end up doing 😁👍🏽
I smiled when you put karma over the hangar stage too, I thought it was a great spot for it. Also nice lee, I liked how it was different from how I use mine and your realistic reactions to certain characters/opponents I also have the same moments.
Bro when I tell you my commentary was the EXACT SAME WHEN PLAYING A DRAGUNOV PLAYER 😂. Im also a Lee main literally was saying the same shit during my match lol
@supercamacho774 yeah man, I just got back to red rank fighting for my life. Finna practice that Lee wall video you just put out, hopefully up my win rate take me to the next tier
I'm Rajin with Feng and just played rank today and was playing a bit passive which lead me to being demoted to Fujin and after 3 promotion iwent back to Rajin and just have to get over the replays and adapt. EDIT: i also lost 1000 points despite being in 5 win streak which doesn't make a sense.
I would have actually been physically ill if I lost 1k points to a Xiaoyu AND she one and doned me. Probably would have called it a night. I came here to see how high level Lee players play as a new Lee enjoyer, and left feeling the second hand sadness.
Hey Cam, is the result of Saltiness always on mashing? I want to keep a open mind and just play while also learning because my rank doesn’t matter to me as Long as Im enjoying the matches.
@@Jylstin can be many different things, usually when they make a decision that doesnt make sense and i die for it. Or if I'm dealing with something with no counterplay like ling. Idk man. The game is hard and its frustrating, and im only a person.
Quick question, I've been noticing that you go into hitman stance from his strings but you don't really use the moves out of hitman stance other than 111 and f1+2 (I think?) HMS2 is a mid so if you condition someone to block low from HMS4 you kind of get a 50/50 pretty committal also, if I am correct HMS3 does a lot of damage for an armored move its also unpunishable cause its a high and its not like you side step it cause it also tracks . not criticizing of course just curious I'm only purple rank with my lee
The hms 1 is really strong for conditioning so is hms 1+2. I would recommend not using hms 4/2 as a mixup because it can be fuzzy blocked and it's slow and linear so very easy to shut down. You could use it that way at first then use hms 3 to stop them from stepping it mashing but you get the same conditioning from hms 111 and 1+2 with alot less risk.
Great video, but i have a small question- I play on hitbox and whenever I have to press doubles or 2 buttons at once for perfect moves on lee, I always feel like my fingers aren't aligned enough, causing me to completely mistime the input and miss the perfect altogether. When I use a set 1+2 keybind for moves like b1, 1+2, I almost always hit it consistently. Do you think I should just stick to the keybind, or do you have any tips in general about aligning fingers on leverless/fightstick buttons?
You know when you get launched for -13 for no reason sometimes i swear its roll back since it was exactly 2 roll back frames just enough frames to supposedly punish it.
i feel like in the current state the game just is too unbalanced. defensive play is feeling very non rewarding for most of the time and characters like drag, jun, and even azu don‘t have a real counterplay. what do you do against a spamming azucena who‘s gonna do wr3,2 in your face? what strat is there against jun‘s heat smash? what are you supposed to do against drag‘s pressure that is just op at the moment ? and i don‘t want to mention the other top tiers
The reason you gain/lose that many points is because of win/loss streaks. 3 wins or 3 losses in a row increases the point distribution more than twofold.
Hey we just played a Friday FT10 and I’ve been looking for you. I wanted to know if you could show or tell me what I can improve on with my skill in Tekken 8. I played Jin in case you don’t remember who I am
I remember, i filled in for futurebeats cause he was supposed to fight you. Also i fought you with devil jin but i also play jin. I don't mind helping you get better with him, if you want you can join my discord and we will go over stuff whenever you have time. discord.com/invite/eQJHxesJ
@@supercamacho774 Yeah that would be great! I play Jin and I wanna learn Devil Jin as well so a breakdown would be helpful. I just joined the discord now
27:43 is why this game frustrates me. Look at how much health you lose from chip damage. What is the alternative? Press into that absurdity? Not a fan of how you’re punished for playing defense.
You lose/gain more points when you’re on a losing/winning streak. That was your 3rd win in a row when you beat the Shaheen player and your 3rd loss in a row when you lost to that Xiayou.
After hm uf4 it guarantees the ub3 after it lands so in total it would be more dmg. In some instances you could do df1 into f43 then d3 and it’s guaranteed
@@riastradh I could be wrong but I’ve done that a couple times. I think if Camacho knows how a players gonna tech he’ll do things to get certain hits. Ub3 may hit a 443 at the wall of the combo is real short but I still think it’s not true if they quick tech up regardless of what position their heads in
I think you lost 1000 points against the ling player because you lost 3 times in a row against same rank players. You can also get a bonus for winning 3 times in a row against same rank! Matches in between with higher or lower rank players dont matter in that manner. EDIT: Thats why you got +1000 for the first shaheen match win. 2 wins against kishin ling before + 1 kishin shaheen .
i recently picked tekken 8 and fightning games in general and decided to main lee. So far i basically never win games but i watch your content to get better haha.
Stick with it bro, you’ll get it 👍🏻
Thanks bro
So you never played tekken, even better never played fighting games and you picked lee?! The fuckin mad man, good shit dood, stick to it and you'll get good eventually, lee is very strong and very fun, but arguably the hardest character in the game, if you cant learn him you topped the difficulty charts ahah, but dont be afraid or ashamed to also play an easier character, for your sanitys sake. Best tip i can give you is, stick to 1/2 character and learn them, dont over do it
same but im doing it since release cant get past garyu
@@unseenblade8291 its hard, dont give up!
These videos help me so much with match ups and what I should be thinking when I play Lee. This is my first tekken game I already have over 250 hours on Lee because of your videos man keep them up!
what rank is your lee i was thinking of playing him but he's harder than bryan
@@Combination5withbeef genryu so not high at all
Maybe not this video, i wasnt thinking straight. When im tilted i play like shit
The way I've seen points work is that they implemented the loss streak penalty from TGP/TGO in T7 across all ranks in T8. Losing 3 matches in a row seems to heavily subtract your points. The issue is that the game doesn't notify what or why it's happening so it appears to happen for no rhyme or reason.
Mr.Mishima with the wisdom as usual!
The mixup from the camera man 33:34 was too good 😢😂 Appreciate your content! I’m coming from Law/Shaheen but I’m trying to get into Lee after never even considered him before. Seems really fun so far!
Thank you for your Lee b33 pickup video. Very helpful even though I still cant land them in an actual ranked game yet!
Im really happy i found you camacho, really needed someone to teach me how to play lee and come up with gameplan and giving me matchup knowledge on other characters, freaking love you
I watched this video yesterday and got hyped with the "new stuff" i saw.
Thank you! I was able to hit purple ranks thanks to you!
damn camacho these matches were rough. From the Drag to not being able to stop the lars from promo, then to thinking you would get a break, only face a Xiaoyu to lose 1k points. I felt the pain.
I was going through it lol
I don’t play that much rank (I’m in the orange ranks right now) but man I would expected for people not to mash in the high ranks wth 😭. And good video I would’ve been screaming over xiaoyu
The laugh at 28:00 was his sanity leaving 😂
Camacho! At 33:53 you can sidestep the last hit to your right and launch.
Thanks for the awesome video. Keep it up and GL on the grind 💪💪
ohhhhh! thanks for that! that helps alot!
As someone who played a lot of Drag in T7 and a decent bit in 8 the #1 hardest type of player to deal with as Drag is people who are allergic to blocking. It sounds stupid but as soon as you respect Drag's frames and his WR2 he's going to autowin (especially with the chip in T8). Drag doesn't have very good counter hit options (bar maybe his WR2 if they're good at iWR) so doing a simple one jab out of WR2 every now and again does wonders I think. It just gives Drag something thing think about so he can't just completely autopilot during WR2 pressure. WR2 pressure was the exact same in T7 and imo that's still the best way to counter a Drag player
Awesome tips! Ill definitely try this out against the next drag i fight! I struggle against him hella bad
Loving the content, im a Mishima main new to Lee but im having tons of fun playing and watching guides to play him. Very helpful :]
I guess it's never a good time in ranked, but you did pretty good for the amount of things that were happening. I was about to become lactose intolerant from all the CHEESE that Dragunov, Lars and Xiayu were doing 😂
I guess that's expected to be seen there, though. Anyways, great video as always and I can't wait to see what else you end up doing 😁👍🏽
Super fun matches! You've got a great vibe and personality for streaming and such.
I smiled when you put karma over the hangar stage too, I thought it was a great spot for it. Also nice lee, I liked how it was different from how I use mine and your realistic reactions to certain characters/opponents I also have the same moments.
Playing Lee in my first tekken ever seems like a bad idea but somehow your videos keep me motivated ❤
Bro when I tell you my commentary was the EXACT SAME WHEN PLAYING A DRAGUNOV PLAYER 😂. Im also a Lee main literally was saying the same shit during my match lol
Its hard out here man, tryin super hard to get better but lee doesnt make it easy and neither do the other characters when you fight them LOL
@supercamacho774 yeah man, I just got back to red rank fighting for my life. Finna practice that Lee wall video you just put out, hopefully up my win rate take me to the next tier
"My bad....I forgot you can just whatever TF you want"🤣🤣🤣🤣
Excellent Video 🌹
I'm Rajin with Feng and just played rank today and was playing a bit passive which lead me to being demoted to Fujin and after 3 promotion iwent back to Rajin and just have to get over the replays and adapt.
EDIT: i also lost 1000 points despite being in 5 win streak which doesn't make a sense.
hey man, as a fellow lee main, I found b2f, b1,2f, b2,3 is much more consistent with all different starters instead of adding the extra b2f in there
Release the jukebox bangers! The tunes are on top
Does that "shibal" on the video cover refer to Korean swearing?
33:22 "It's only a mid, it's only a mid. fuck you" lmaooo tilted camacho is something else.
Bruh dont get me started lol
I would have actually been physically ill if I lost 1k points to a Xiaoyu AND she one and doned me. Probably would have called it a night. I came here to see how high level Lee players play as a new Lee enjoyer, and left feeling the second hand sadness.
Damn man sorry, i wasnt trying to rain on your excellent parade lol
1:23 what a play!!
Hey Cam, is the result of Saltiness always on mashing? I want to keep a open mind and just play while also learning because my rank doesn’t matter to me as Long as Im enjoying the matches.
Wdym is the result of saltiness always on mashing? Like is that why i get salty?
@@supercamacho774 yea Iike you got salty a lot in the video is it like cuz everyone is just mashing?
@@Jylstin can be many different things, usually when they make a decision that doesnt make sense and i die for it. Or if I'm dealing with something with no counterplay like ling. Idk man. The game is hard and its frustrating, and im only a person.
@@supercamacho774 its all good. Im a noob here anyways and getting destroyed is in my resume😂 Every Fighting Game has some BS
Bruh that Victor kept falling for the same stuff
I see alot Reina players doing the same, doing the same string again and again, one trick pony.
And he is bushin 😂😂😂
music pick is sometimes so fire
How do you differentiate the input of FC uf+4 and a normal uf+4 hopkick from crouching??? I can't punish -15 lows....😢
hold up a microsecond before pressing forward 4!
if u buffer uf4 i believe it does hopkick and if u wait till the buffer windows over it tends to do the flip for me
Awesome matches as always dude! Did you know that Lees taunt also has a just frame!?
Nothing more cringe than points players....😂😂😂
i have around 30 hours on t7. Should I play lee? or is it better to find an easier character
Play whomever looks cool and is fun to play!
@@supercamacho774 tyy
I've only played against one other Lee player on ps5 on my way to Purple since I bought it this week, they weren't very good at fundamentals stuff
Toxic Camacho LOL
How is he being toxic ?his expression is valid especially the mashers hes up against
Yup thats me
Alywaus fun to watch.
I feel stuck at the moment, feels like im not learning anything so far.
Like im stuck and losing to everyone els e
Cause you suck 😂
Camacho am I crazy or is ws 2,3 into heat hella inconsistent
Youre not crazy
Quick question, I've been noticing that you go into hitman stance from his strings but you don't really use the moves out of hitman stance other than 111 and f1+2 (I think?) HMS2 is a mid so if you condition someone to block low from HMS4 you kind of get a 50/50 pretty committal also, if I am correct HMS3 does a lot of damage for an armored move its also unpunishable cause its a high and its not like you side step it cause it also tracks . not criticizing of course just curious I'm only purple rank with my lee
The hms 1 is really strong for conditioning so is hms 1+2. I would recommend not using hms 4/2 as a mixup because it can be fuzzy blocked and it's slow and linear so very easy to shut down. You could use it that way at first then use hms 3 to stop them from stepping it mashing but you get the same conditioning from hms 111 and 1+2 with alot less risk.
nice matches, 😂 when im tilted my brain goes to d+3 too
Must be a lee thing
Around 1:23 you do 2 b33s and after the second mist step you go straight into HMS 1, how do you do that?
Instant while standing from mist step, i have a tutorial on how to do it in my channel!
W Lee 👌 the salt was funny
Great video, but i have a small question- I play on hitbox and whenever I have to press doubles or 2 buttons at once for perfect moves on lee, I always feel like my fingers aren't aligned enough, causing me to completely mistime the input and miss the perfect altogether. When I use a set 1+2 keybind for moves like b1, 1+2, I almost always hit it consistently. Do you think I should just stick to the keybind, or do you have any tips in general about aligning fingers on leverless/fightstick buttons?
Nothing wrong with key binds, i don't use them i usually just look in practice mode which button I'm pressing first and adjust from there
You know when you get launched for -13 for no reason sometimes i swear its roll back since it was exactly 2 roll back frames just enough frames to supposedly punish it.
LifeOfRio is a youtuber, wild he didn't give you a rematch lmao
He constantly says on his twitch streams that he's pussy. One and done.
He sucks, don't blame them
@@supercamacho774 He's still learning. Its his first Tekken.
@@BravuraLeeVim tell him in tekken we rematch, he sucks, he should learn to rematch
I figure, I think he's mostly an MK player. @@BravuraLeeVim
26:32 the slowmo got me lollll
That happens way too much in this game.. I could swear something's off with throw breaks. Were you actually late @camacho?
I like this
i feel like in the current state the game just is too unbalanced. defensive play is feeling very non rewarding for most of the time and characters like drag, jun, and even azu don‘t have a real counterplay. what do you do against a spamming azucena who‘s gonna do wr3,2 in your face?
what strat is there against jun‘s heat smash?
what are you supposed to do against drag‘s pressure that is just op at the moment ?
and i don‘t want to mention the other top tiers
Funny coincidence, I uploaded a video the other day with conceptually the same thumbnail.
excellent！
11:00 - after you compliment about "paul is pretty cool in this game" and then just couple of second "get off me b*tch" 😂😂😂😂
Thought I was the only Lee whose B3, 3 would whiff on hit 😂 I be mist stepping into launchers sick to my stomach 28:55
The reason you gain/lose that many points is because of win/loss streaks. 3 wins or 3 losses in a row increases the point distribution more than twofold.
Hey we just played a Friday FT10 and I’ve been looking for you. I wanted to know if you could show or tell me what I can improve on with my skill in Tekken 8. I played Jin in case you don’t remember who I am
I remember, i filled in for futurebeats cause he was supposed to fight you. Also i fought you with devil jin but i also play jin. I don't mind helping you get better with him, if you want you can join my discord and we will go over stuff whenever you have time.
discord.com/invite/eQJHxesJ
@@supercamacho774 Yeah that would be great! I play Jin and I wanna learn Devil Jin as well so a breakdown would be helpful. I just joined the discord now
Can someone explain the reset at 10:40 ?
He could have teched, he didnt
27:43 is why this game frustrates me. Look at how much health you lose from chip damage. What is the alternative? Press into that absurdity? Not a fan of how you’re punished for playing defense.
What's the soundtrack for 0:45? Great choice, dude
Electric fountain!
8:41 The amount of times I've done this lmfao
Why does paul shit so much dmg holy
How do you do while Rising without moving the Stick down?
You lose/gain more points when you’re on a losing/winning streak. That was your 3rd win in a row when you beat the Shaheen player and your 3rd loss in a row when you lost to that Xiayou.
Do you review others fights? I have a lee video on my channel i would like a critique on for sure.
Ngl you are me in this game i try to be positive but then i encounter people like that xiayu.....makes me wanna delete the game
I miss the combo coz of while standing 1 2
Drag players BEFORE tekken god ranks are probably at least 4 ranks higher than they should be tbh. Pluss frames bonanza, free ride.
Bro the Xiaoyu named Chicken I fought him today I wanted to rip my hair out, I still rematched him but omg I could not win a game :(
That Bushin Victor was so bad 😮💨
Does hitman uf4 do more damage than 4,3,3 at the wall? They both go into the backflip
After hm uf4 it guarantees the ub3 after it lands so in total it would be more dmg. In some instances you could do df1 into f43 then d3 and it’s guaranteed
Also I’m pretty sure 433 doesn’t actually go into backflip if they tech properly so they can block the ub3 which is not safe
@@osmanchakrouf3266 I’d be really surprised since it leaves them head towards with plenty of time to ub3
@@riastradh I could be wrong but I’ve done that a couple times. I think if Camacho knows how a players gonna tech he’ll do things to get certain hits. Ub3 may hit a 443 at the wall of the combo is real short but I still think it’s not true if they quick tech up regardless of what position their heads in
People hate losing against Lars so much, it insane 🤣🤣🤣. Going from a Lars main to a Lee main and watching that was just hilarious
09:40 what's the song (OST) name?
damn, MF really lost 1k ranked points. never seen that before
I think you lost 1000 points against the ling player because you lost 3 times in a row against same rank players. You can also get a bonus for winning 3 times in a row against same rank! Matches in between with higher or lower rank players dont matter in that manner.
EDIT: Thats why you got +1000 for the first shaheen match win. 2 wins against kishin ling before + 1 kishin shaheen .
All I get is higher ranks from beginning to the end. Not fun!
tekken 8 is infuriating.. I say we go back to tekken 7. Just avoid Kuni, Akuma, Noctis and it's almost the perfect tekken.
Nah im good LOL