My GUY, growing up listening to your god-tier post-hardcore mixes I never thought I'd get this insight straight from the source. At this point, I will admit that I have picked up a lot of these tips either through hours of tutorial digging or hours of experimentation, but the sauce is all here, and clear, and from the man himself. Thanks Joey.
Man, Sturgis is the frikkin god of metal mixing and tone. Toneforge Jeff Loomis changed my life. And this video was a game changer for my guitar sound, not just the double/quad tracking but also the use of atmospheric cleans and the use of effects to create texture. We bow in awe.
On a quad track recording I particularly like the blend between 2 tracks recorded on a bridge humbucker and 2 recorded on neck+bridge splited coils. Great blend with the seymor ducan sentient/nazgul.
Mann I just found this channel by chance... This is hands down my favourite mixing/producing channel! It's like watching a TV show and it is everything Nail the Mix should have been! Focused and to the point!!
Great vid one of the best I’ve seen regarding multiple guitar tracking! As a studio and touring guitarist first from the late 70s hard rock 80s glam,metal and virtuoso and still playing I have always struggled with getting that big sound with separation definition and clarity God knows I have everything from radial for RE-amping, axe Fx and every plug-in emulator available, Ox box, Torpedo, tons of vintage heads and cabs some great mics But no goddamn patience! I’m also very interested in this Mutt Lange technique Thanks
I love guitar left high end thinner, right guitar high end like thinner, duplicate left and right then make the guitars more thick mid range and blend them in all together. 100/100 high end 76/76 thick end. 🤘
Nice video! Trying to break into metal production and this helps alot. There are plenty of techniques I've used dozens and dozens of times before but its nice to see them being repeated here. Thanks!
What would I do without these videos... But Joey, could you maybe do a video about the important balance between the Bass and guitars (especially in the more heavy-ish genres)? "The key to a great guitar tone, is the bass" is a quote I think I once heard in one of the many URM Academy videos on YT
The lead guitar section was SUPER useful - thanks Joey! I'd been struggling with lead guitars so this helps give me a little bit of a foundation to come up with something unique. Thanks again!
How would you go about panning the guitars where there is 2 distinct guitar parts? Such as harmony guitar riffs etc? I get the double track each guitar and pan L+R but how would this work for harmonies that are panned L+R without having both parts of the harmony in both ears? Hopefully I've explained this well enough 😅
Thank you for the info! When quad tracking, do you hard pan guitars 3 and 4? Or do you bring them inward more? Maybe even expanded further out? Or do they sit on top of the already hard panned guitars 1 and 2? Thank you!
Great video. Any suggestions how to approach guitar layers and pan for rhythm guitars on verser if the guitars play harmonies for melody notes during the riff but falls back on the same "chugg base note" in between? Like old school In flames etc. Does this require 4 layers, two for each harmony and panned like L100 R 75 for one of them and R100 and R75 for the other or something since you still want the harmony notes to be clearly panned to each side
For me the biggest challenge when it comes to double tracked guitars is mono compatibility. For some reason my guitars seem to disappear in mono, even when they sound very different. I know I'm not alone with this, many people seem to have the same issue on forums. When I switch to mono, suddenly the snare and the vocals jump out waaay too much. Any advice?
My understanding is it's kind of the nature of the beast. Panloss settings can affect this from what I've heard. But a surprising amount of professional tracks disappear in mono. Listen to your favorite metal tracks and see how they do in mono. It's actually quite surprising. Another thing you can do is switch out what cabinet you're using for each track, which is really only possible if you're doing it with amp sims like Joey. Another thing to keep in mind: the vast majority of people are going to be listening to the song stereo.
What would you suggest for a verse where it’s basically just the rhythm part and bass with no lead guitar? Think like the first verse in Run Away by For All Those Sleeping
Gruv gear sells stuff for $20 or more, but I've found that a velcro cable tie with the loop side on the strings does the same job, and you can get a huge roll of them for the same price. But the specialized products are more aesthetically pleasing. Don't forget the tremolo springs as well.
Another cool trick I've used is: route one guitar onto 2 tracks that are differently EQ'd. One higher mids the other higher highs. Bass mono. You're welcome.
My GUY, growing up listening to your god-tier post-hardcore mixes I never thought I'd get this insight straight from the source. At this point, I will admit that I have picked up a lot of these tips either through hours of tutorial digging or hours of experimentation, but the sauce is all here, and clear, and from the man himself. Thanks Joey.
melodic death core
melodic death core
Pretty much exactly what I thought when I found out he had tutorials on UA-cam!
This was so helpful. I was wondering about quadruple layering in choruses too, and now I’m excited to do it and alter the tone a bit. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Do you hard pan all the tracks? Do you ever do like 80% left and right for specific stuff? Always was curious about that.
This video is a wealth of knowledge! Probably one of the best channels out here!
I learn more in the 9 minutes your video last, than in years trying wrong ideas, SUPER GREAT VIDEO.
Your channel is helping me with my guitar production so much, thank you.
That's awesome! Keep rockin!
This is the information I needed in my life.
Always wanted to figure out how to layer rhythm guitars properly!
ikr, it's very hard to find these stuff for metal music around internet. That mono compatibility trick is what I needed
very hard to find anything metal and modern 😂💀
Man, Sturgis is the frikkin god of metal mixing and tone. Toneforge Jeff Loomis changed my life. And this video was a game changer for my guitar sound, not just the double/quad tracking but also the use of atmospheric cleans and the use of effects to create texture. We bow in awe.
On a quad track recording I particularly like the blend between 2 tracks recorded on a bridge humbucker and 2 recorded on neck+bridge splited coils. Great blend with the seymor ducan sentient/nazgul.
I would love to watch a live stream of Joey editing/mixing a song
He did on nail the mix a bunch. He even did a more recent one with attack attack’s new song
Nail the mix or Creative Live
I've seen it before
Count me in!
second that 🙌🏻
Excellent - thank you
Some of my favorite guitar layering is what Ken Andrew’s did on Failure’s Fantastic Planet… so good.
The song you featured in this video is BANGER! Very Scandinavian melodic style, love it.
I never thought of processing my FX post-record on the DI... Thank you!
Fantastic Video! Thank you!
Please make more of these. Like... so many. I'll give you a hug and a free song.
So many great tips in just one video! Amazing as always!
Reaper "licensed for personal/small business use", eh ? 😅
Good catch lol
shhhhhh ;)
Well this is sad to see tbh
Non-reaper user here, is something odd about this? Is he actually using a cracked version?
@@nate_creates not cracked, but perhaps inappropriate considering the business
Great info here, for sure
Mann I just found this channel by chance... This is hands down my favourite mixing/producing channel! It's like watching a TV show and it is everything Nail the Mix should have been! Focused and to the point!!
I’d be interested to see how you would mix a indie rock band.
Great vid one of the best I’ve seen regarding multiple guitar tracking!
As a studio and touring guitarist first from the late 70s hard rock 80s glam,metal and virtuoso and still playing I have always struggled with getting that big sound with separation definition and clarity
God knows I have everything from radial for RE-amping, axe Fx and every plug-in emulator available,
Ox box, Torpedo, tons of vintage heads and cabs some great mics
But no goddamn patience!
I’m also very interested in this Mutt Lange technique
Thanks
I totally forgot that the amount of layers affect the size of the overall mix. I feel dumb after that one but this will help me so much!
So good tutorial video.
Great channel, my new favorite place to check out with a cup of joe
I love guitar left high end thinner, right guitar high end like thinner, duplicate left and right then make the guitars more thick mid range and blend them in all together. 100/100 high end 76/76 thick end. 🤘
I love the tone you achieve with the guitar, it reminds me a lot of Cathedral! Cheers!
This is pure gold man
Lots of good tips here!
Hey man,really loved your way.
Could you please explain that rhythm section chop in a brief.
Thanks.
the song itself is amazing
This was very helpful. Noticed my mistakes right away. Thank you!!!
Awesome tips. Thanks man.
Thanks dude this is so useful!
Glad it helped!
Nice video! Trying to break into metal production and this helps alot. There are plenty of techniques I've used dozens and dozens of times before but its nice to see them being repeated here. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
What would I do without these videos...
But Joey, could you maybe do a video about the important balance between the Bass and guitars (especially in the more heavy-ish genres)?
"The key to a great guitar tone, is the bass" is a quote I think I once heard in one of the many URM Academy videos on YT
That's a treasure chest of information, thank you for sharing!
5:05 ok i steal that tremolo metal riff
The master of production ! Thanks for all.
Great hints. Thanks
Great Video!! Thank You!
Thank you, Joey! Very informative video!👏
Wait, was that “All My Life” by Attack Attack! I heard?? 👀
Yes!
REALLY COOL VIDEO!
The single note chord building, insaneeee
Read: lazy guitar technique
I mean...or you could learn how to play...
Joey giving away all the secrets.
Man, I really gotta stop watching your videos while I’m on a timeline…now I gotta go quad-track a chorus 😢
The lead guitar section was SUPER useful - thanks Joey! I'd been struggling with lead guitars so this helps give me a little bit of a foundation to come up with something unique. Thanks again!
8:57 - That man right there is a God among men
Sounds amazing Joey thanks
Wow! Thank you for this GREAT video! This opened my ears to create better-sounding guitars in my songs. Mucho Thanks!!
Massive intellectual property here ✨️
How would you go about panning the guitars where there is 2 distinct guitar parts? Such as harmony guitar riffs etc? I get the double track each guitar and pan L+R but how would this work for harmonies that are panned L+R without having both parts of the harmony in both ears? Hopefully I've explained this well enough 😅
The thickening 🤘🏽
when you quad track, do you pan all of them hard left and right, or you spread along the pan ?
Thanks for the tips Joey!
Thank you for the info! When quad tracking, do you hard pan guitars 3 and 4? Or do you bring them inward more? Maybe even expanded further out? Or do they sit on top of the already hard panned guitars 1 and 2? Thank you!
Please make Toneforge available on the M1 chips! 😫
Thanks dude.
You‘re awesome! Thank you!
Great video. Any suggestions how to approach guitar layers and pan for rhythm guitars on verser if the guitars play harmonies for melody notes during the riff but falls back on the same "chugg base note" in between? Like old school In flames etc. Does this require 4 layers, two for each harmony and panned like L100 R 75 for one of them and R100 and R75 for the other or something since you still want the harmony notes to be clearly panned to each side
I always quad track my rythem guitar tracks for the chorus and then double track in the verse
Nice video! Very helpful 👌👌
Using that high end Gio. Nice👌
The man the legend the vst plug-in...
This man speaks fcking truth to power! 🤘
Always usefull tips, thanks JST!
Do you double track at once or in separate takes??
Or phase cancel issue?
are all of the pannings hard left and right ? for leads also?? thanks
Why doesn't the octave differences give the feeling of being out of tune? I've experimented with these and I always get the feel of out of tune.
What theme are you using in Reaper?
This is AMAZING!
sweet thank ya
Anyone know what Reaper theme this is ?
a goldmine!
Joey the Legend!
This is gold! 🤘😁 and... that's reaper? What skin? 😯
These were some cool tips!!
Helpful Lesson! Thanks!!!
I'd like a tutorial on how you setup reaper to be so pretty!
To save y'all 10 minutes of time. DOUBLETRACK EVERYTHING and HARD PAN EVERYTHING. Lol
Dat kul man 👌🏻
For me the biggest challenge when it comes to double tracked guitars is mono compatibility. For some reason my guitars seem to disappear in mono, even when they sound very different. I know I'm not alone with this, many people seem to have the same issue on forums. When I switch to mono, suddenly the snare and the vocals jump out waaay too much. Any advice?
My understanding is it's kind of the nature of the beast. Panloss settings can affect this from what I've heard. But a surprising amount of professional tracks disappear in mono. Listen to your favorite metal tracks and see how they do in mono. It's actually quite surprising.
Another thing you can do is switch out what cabinet you're using for each track, which is really only possible if you're doing it with amp sims like Joey. Another thing to keep in mind: the vast majority of people are going to be listening to the song stereo.
Pan law was what I meant
I love u joey !
Awesome! Quick question! If you have 2 guitarist doing different riffs, do you double them, hard pan? Then merge and Pan those 2 performances L R?
Weird question, but which Reaper theme is this? I love it
Smooth 6
@joeymusic thank you!!
2:47 is this attack attack? sounds like a riff from the newer ep
Yes! that's who it is... i couldn't remember who that was; but i know i knew the riff lol...
how did u drag that track in mutt lang method? mine doesnt work. pls help
2:09! Attack Attack!
What would you suggest for a verse where it’s basically just the rhythm part and bass with no lead guitar? Think like the first verse in Run Away by For All Those Sleeping
What is the name of the mic SIM unit did you say tunforge
I would pay money for a start to finish recording and mixing/editing tutorial from joey. Is that already a thing anywhere..?
Yes look up Studio Pass on Creative Live
Is there a link to the song @ 8:29?
The double track performance dropping back a few ms with different mics were to I buy this from?
great video especially about the tape/foam - any products on the market for this?
Gruv gear sells stuff for $20 or more, but I've found that a velcro cable tie with the loop side on the strings does the same job, and you can get a huge roll of them for the same price. But the specialized products are more aesthetically pleasing.
Don't forget the tremolo springs as well.
Awesome video! Btw, how do you do that mouse selection around 1:45?
Gold
How come when I record guitars they sound terrible and quiet hard panned left and right, but sound good when panned like 75% or less?
When do you decide to track mono and track sterio ? Does it depend on the project / song your working on or is there another aspect to it ?
Another cool trick I've used is: route one guitar onto 2 tracks that are differently EQ'd. One higher mids the other higher highs. Bass mono. You're welcome.
do you have channel for private discussion or something brother ?