@@dylanlabadie130 But russ isnt overrated he got an MVP he doesnt even deserve and he too has been bounced out the first round with him as the leader with help he had paul GEORGE and victor Oladipo ironically both guys who are doing way better without him. Even CP3 without any big name superstar or all star has the OKC thunder at the 6th seed and is establishing a great culture over there at okc practically by himself. Russ is THE MOST OVERRATED POINT GUARD EVER. But low gave it to him because he has an MVP. At least john Stockton with another great player can make the finals TWICE and on top of that okc made the finals in a lockout year the very next year they got bounced out the 2nd round with KD with him. But without KD he do the same thing cp3 is doing but way worse. But hes over Stockton who with another great teammate made the finals twice. That karl malone arguement is inadequate cause when karl left Stockton he went to the lakers and made the finals UNDER SHAQ AND KOBE. John stockton is better than russ he should at least be 6 or 7. Steve nash is great but he never made the finals in an equal as tough conference as the west was in the 00s and the 90s and steve had help that whole system was based around him. Stockton is at least 6th or 7tj
My top 10 1. Magic Johnson 2. Stephen Curry 3. Isiah Thomas 4. Oscar Robertson 5. Jerry West 6. Chris Paul 7. Jason Kidd 8. Steve Nash 9. Gary Payton 10. Russell Westbrook
@Minimal Interest he averaged 28-6-5 on 49/48/86 shooting from games 3-6 and put up 26-8-4 in game 1 on 50% shooting. Game 2 was his only God awful game
FTC FlightTeamStandUp Oh for sure I agree with that logic like LOW said, the Center position has probably evolved the most especially in the modern NBA. Center is definitely the deepest position in NBA history as well. With any all time rankings it really is hard to compare guys across eras. Especially comparing someone like Jerry West or Magic Johnson to Steph Curry.
- lol. Agree but at the same time, LOW pointed out that Oscar had the stats but not going deep into the playoffs while West had the stats and went deep into the playoffs. Without advanced stats, it is hard to evaluate pre 1980s greats. They didn't pick all-time defensive teams until 1969-70 when West was 31yo or record steals (until '73-74 in West's final year). So here we are barber-shopping...
future hofer 2015-2019 were elite. So u got that flipped. He played 11 seasons too so u clearly don’t know much about curry. So he had 4 good seasons and 7 seasons that were basically just dealing w injuries or developing his young talent...
@@brendanl.6220 2013 he was an elite, all-star level point guard. 2014 he was an all-star, and widely considered around a top 10 player. 2015 to 2019 he had all-time great seasons, was the best point guard in the league, not even close, and was a top 3 level player. His 11th season he played 5 games.
@@riqui5406 I dont know if you're saying that the 2013-14 was an elite curry or that an 2012-13 was an elite curry, cause saying that 2012-13 curry was elite is just flat out dumb. Even saying 2014 curry was "elite" is dumb. Just because he was an all-star that doesn't mean he's elite and a "top 10 player" lol.
@@genermanaloto6509 I mean...yeah..that's how you win MVP buddy....Be the best player on the best team, lol? Unless youre doing something that hasn't been done in decades, like averaging a triple-double, then you're not winning the MVP unless you meet that criteria.
@@bradyd2270 well has to most assists all time magic was a better flashy passer and had better teammates and why would you say not even say that knowing his assists numbers
Sheesh as soon as I saw Stockton 10 I was like in typical LOW fashion he starts out controversial lol. I agree he’s overrated but 10? Aw man I can’t go that far maybe 5-6
#1 all time in assists and steals, and nobody is even CLOSE. Nobody will ever touch his assist record his type of longevity and consistency at the point guard position may never be seen again
@@CodeineAbdulJabbar His assists were largely what's called Rondo assists. Where the pass doesn't actually make the bucket easier to get, but relies on the receiver to do most of the work.
This shouldn’t be an argument purely based on statistics if we’re discussing the greatest point guards in history. It’s not a discussion of the greatest statistical accumulators in history. Cousy was a winner, a teammate, and an ambassador above all else. He’s a great comparison to Curry today in terms of impact and pushing the game of basketball forward, more so than Stockton ever came close to
@@VictorFPoB No...John Stockton broke guys with his superior cardio, you didn't get easy minutes with Stockton he would speed up or slow down the game and break his opponents. More impressively he did all of it at elevation.
Idk why Chris Paul gets labeled as a choker, if you realize he’s always been there like LOW said he just gets injured and the worst times, like in 2018, had Chris Paul not been injured then the rockets would’ve been nba champions
Somregularguy durability is arguably one of the most important traits. What good would all the great ones be if they were hurt all the time deep in the playoffs? Imagine, there would be zero GOAT talk if Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Shaq, Duncan. Arguing because he would PROB have a ring is insulting to the greats who won every year he could have. They were greater because they were more durable. They took care of themselves better and they were stronger. It’s facts bc they WENT LONGER.
My list 1: Stephen Curry 2: Magic Johnson 3: Allen Iverson 4: Steve Nash 5: Oscar Robertson 6: John Stockton 7: Isiah Thomas 8: Russell Westbrook 9: Jason Kidd 10: Damian Lillard
Just remember that before the Jazz played and lost to the Bulls in the 1998 Finals, John Stockton and the Jazz _swept_ the Los Angeles Lakers in the Western Conference Finals - a Lakers team that had both Shaq and Kobe playing for them. As a point guard, John Stockton is vastly underappreciated and underrated.
@@jcmaybenot oh he was in his prime. He actually went to the all star game in 98 too. And he was also at his athletic best. Only thing people can say was Phil Jackson wasn't there yet but the Lakers had the more athletic talented team than the Jazz and they still beat them.
@@kennylopezjeetkunedo5555 no he wasn't in his prime, and he went to the all star game because he was a talented young star on the Lakers. Kobe's prime probably starts from 01 to 10. Anything before and after are definitely not years you can call his prime, furthermore 98 wasn't even a HOF level season from him, which he had about ten of...so no it wasn't close to his prime. His best years can be argued as either 06, 03, 04, 01, 08, or 09.....but his sophomore year in the league he didn't even average 16 pts a game and averaged less than 10 in thr playoffs.
@@jcmaybenot he was also wasn't starting even though he was one of the best on the team at the time with Eddie Jones so he was actually even more dangerous coming off the bench at the time. So a lot of people will say that because he wasn't starting but he definitely was at his athletic best in 98. And regardless of what anyone says, the Lakers had a more stacked squad than the Jazz did in 98, and the Lakers were far more athletic than the Jazz was. I'm only bring that up because a lot of people from this generation talk about how athletic all these players are today and being more athletic doesn't mean you're the better team or better player.
ViperProYT i respect this cuz this what I love to see in LOW’s comments. Other people that think just like low cuz everyone that watches these videos aren’t complete absolute fucking potatoes that think they know what they talkin bout but they don’t, but again, I like that pf ranking
Isiah was amazing but the narrative that Isiah beat Bird, Magic, and MJ in their primes is overstated considering that in the: 88 series vs Boston, played well while Bird suffered due to bone spurs on both feet 89 series vs Boston, he averaged 12 points on 33% shooting while Bird missed the season due to surgery to treat aforementioned bone spurs 89 Finals vs LA, Dumars won FMVP while Byron Scott didn't play and neither did Magic after 1.5 games 88, 89, and 90 series vs CHI, he shot 40% and below each series
@@TheIcemanthomas Well you have to add context or else IT would be gaining a lot of clout for stuff he didn't do. He beat them sure but to say he beat them in their primes or he dominated them on an individual bases is just a flat out lie.
@@TheIcemanthomas because most people already know the narratives surrounding other great point guards but when we talk about Isiah the #1 case that gets brought up for him is that he beat 3 top 10 players in their primes. That's like me claiming that Steph beat LeBron 3 times in his prime without adding any context. No hate
I agree, but we don't know how much Curry really can play at this all-time great level. He's already missed this season cause of a hand injury + his ankles are like paper. The GSW core is getting older and every single team in the west and even in the east is getting better. Are they still a championship contender? idk, we'll see, but I don't think Curry can win another championship unless something major happens or somebody chokes, like the injuries to the cavs in 2014 - 15 or the choke job by the Thunder in 2015 - 16.
If Curry doesn't ball out and win another 1 or 2 titles, he would be stuck at top 2 PG of all-time. Pretty damn great to be second only to Magic, but yeah no FMVP will be an issue when we talk about top all-time rankings.
@@isaaccalalang7832 Bro has played less than 70 games for the past 3 seasons, and he missed this season cause of a hand injury. He's getting up there in age and the fact that his ankles aren't durable isn't going to change....
Facts, I think curry will win another championship and he’ll be an all star for like 5 more years or if he gets lucky 6 more but I definitely agree with you
Yeah and lebron is fairly close to that number but he's still the greatest SF ain't he?? I'm not defending his position on this list but that's not a valid argument.
Prophet_ 2059 You are most definitely comparing if you weren’t comparing what was the point of even bringing lebron into the same category as jerry west
Dark Reaper Edits I think his contributions to that Spurs team really propel his legacy past what it would’ve been anywhere else. For his career he was a 16 ppg and like 6 apg guy in that spurs system with a couple 20 ppg seasons, elsewhere I think it’s fair to say he probably would’ve been a low teens kind scorer and 4-5 assist guy, which is still a good career, but not one in top ten PG conversation. Maybe two or three all-star selections and for the bulk of his career he’s known as a high-level role player and borderline all star
Dark Reaper Edits I think the era he played in was huge for him too. Like in today’s NBA with his small frame, lack of crazy athleticism, and no real outside shooting (for his career he’s a 32% 3pt shooter on 1 three attempt per game), he’d probably be like a 12th man, if he was even able to keep a roster spot😂 but then again it’s hard to put players in different eras too, so you know it’s kind of moot.
Marc Bibanga And clutchness is one of the intangibles of players in any sport that really elevates a player. I don’t disagree with you. I’m just saying in a hypothetical scenario where he never goes to San Antonio and plays in that system and we possibly never see him deliver in crunch time; he’d be remembered a lot differently. Projecting his talents in practically any other situation I think his career would’ve been less prolific.
1995 GetJiggyWitIt better playoff performer? Steph averages 6 more points than Thomas in the playoffs, averages more rebounds per game, shoots a higher percentage from 2, 3 and from the FT line. Steph also has more rings. Thomas averages 2.5 assists per game more and another steal per game. Thomas has the most memorable series of the 2 (88 finals on one leg), but his finals numbers don’t compare to Steph’s numbers. Go and check for yourself. The 88 series, Thomas only averaged 19.7 ppg, even after scoring 43 in game 6. He had a 10 point and 13 point game. Statistically speaking Curry is the better playoff performer. Championship wise Curry is the better performer. Finals numbers Steph is better, and they should have the same number of finals MVP’s (15 should have been Steph’s). Better passer and defender yes I’ll give you. Steph is a better shooter, scorer and has completely changed the sport, something Thomas never even came close to doing. As for better leader, which player led their team to an all time best 73-9 record? You have nothing to back up your claim that Thomas is a better leader, as Steph has led his team to greater success than Thomas.
@1995 GetJiggyWitIt ok steph is a better passer let's get that straight a way better leader because of the simple fact that he had the best offensive season ever and was willing to take a step back when kd arrived for the betterment of the team and Isiah has as many bad playoff games if not more then steph
Was Jerry West not known as mr. clutch? Was he not finals mvp in spite of losing? He had to go against Bill Russell’s Celtics. He was insane in playoffs
He don’t agree with west at 2 and I’d rather him be considered a 2 guard. Also I think stock should be higher but otherwise this is a decent list. One of the more knowledgeable ones I’ve seen.
A Different Perspective not to the players. The players show nothing but love for stock. It’s only causals and you tubers ever spread this Stockton distain
@@TheIcemanthomas real talk though mans was playing with another top 5 player in their respective position and still never won a ring and was #8 i believe as the highest in mvp consideration nothing against him but i do think his longevity propelled him in the pg discussion
@@outlawstarjoseph8064 yeaaa the most assists in history, most steals in history, 2nd all time ast avg, top 10 all time, 5 all defensive selectiona, shot 50% from the field = overrated
Jack Johnson Cousy got a better regular season and playoff win percentage. Cousy got more championships. He’s got more playoff appearances, more MVPs, and more All Star game MVPs. Cousy made everyone around him better because he was a better passer. Cousy also beat West in the finals
Not a fact Westbrook made the finals to and has way better all around numbers with k.d his efficiency and turnovers Is Westbrook’s biggest flaws he also has an mvp where Stockton doesn’t so yes Westbrook is better
FragsToNice please stop John Stockton is better , John Stockton is the Alltime leader in assists and steals . Nobody in their right mind would put westbrook ahead of John Stockton rn .
FragsToNice bc westbrook has an mvp he’s better stop your logic makes no sense . So Derrick Rose is better than Isiah Thomas and Dwyane Wade according to your logic
yeah because he dished to Malone all the time lol, and Malone more often than not is gonna score when heading to the basket, he was too strong to stop one on one, dude was built like a tank
Because his stats are inflated. His assists are because he was lucky enough to play with a healthy Karl Malone all of those years. I wouldn't even had John Stockon on this list... I would have included Gary Payton on here instead.
His durability which led to those numbers plus his assist were to Malone most of the time he wasn't flashy and had no left he went from a pure scorer in college to an assist leader the minute he touched the Jazz roster same with the guard before him it was the system that got him all those assists and steals
@@Bri.ThaRapper i love jason williams but i wouldnt blame anybody if they dont put him in their top 10. Jason surely is my top 3 fav pg to watch. Tied with magic. I like watching curry and prime rondo and cp3 more.
I feel like John Stockton is starting to become underrated because of that vid by NBA Storyteller and Rusty Buckets. Yes, Stockton did have a left. Were his assist figures fluffed up? Maybe. But I’ve been hearing that about assists in general for most of my 40 years. The problem with Stockton other than not winning a title is he played so long that his prime was long forgotten by the time he retired in 2003. Prime Stockton is like 17pts/14 assists/3 steals on crazy shooting splits. Oh and don’t look now but the analytics love Stockton (.200+ career win shares/48 mins). He passes the eye test too. Great film in this list. He’s becoming oddly underrated. Point 2: Chris Paul is most likely better than Isiah Thomas. I love the original IT but he has dirty efficiencies/very weak analytics. Also people mis-remember the bad boy Pistons. They won because of incredible balance on the team and Joe Dumars was likely the best player on the team due to similar offense and far superior defense and shooting. Jerry West said the same thing in-period. People remember IT’s no-defense pistons numbers with Kelly Tripucka years before Chuck Daly took over the Pistons and made them a more defensive, deliberate team. Great, great point guard though. Third point: this must be greatest career and not necessarily best. Kevin Johnson, Derrick Rose (who KJ is basically a direct forerunner to) and Walt Clyde Frazier are better than most of the players on this list. Honorable mention to Dennis Johnson (especially the Sonics version).
The Jazz system made Stockton Stockton same with the pg before him they went from scorers in college to double digit assist in pro the whole gameplan was pass to Malone. And power drive or catch and shoot mid range plus playing passing lanes is of course gonna make more steals and the reason IT is higher is because less injuries and more post season success IT and Dumars were a nasty duo both being elite 2 ways especially for their size the whole pistons team were either pure defenders or elite 2 way players with IT and Dumars leading the way IT deserves to be higher than CP3
Ray Burks the funny thing about the video is that it showed John Stockton clearly doing more than what he said. At least in NBA Storyteller and Rusty Buckets’ vid it showed he only dribbling right and making basic passes to Malone. Prime Stockton’s steal numbers were too high to be just passing lane hawking. He was also a very good on-ball defender. I think it was just his unassuming way and low usage that have people eager to knock him down. It’s not unlike Tim Duncan where people shadow diss him “Kobe was better in the 2000’s”, if the Bulls ran it back they’d have won in 1999”, “ if Kobe and Shaq were not feuding, they’d have won more”. It’s the same thing happening with Stockton where he’s just cast aside with peripheral arguments or explanations as to why he did what he did that don’t apply to anyone else, really. I won’t fight you on IT vs CP3. The eye test and for sure the numbers indicate CP3 was better. IT is probably the only great player with ~ .100 win shares/48 that everyone treats like you can just put him out there with any mediocre cast and they’d win at say, a 50 game/season level.
@@swpdisciple john and Malone rarely didn't play together and hes what number 2 i believe in scoring and stock number 1 in assist plus they were durable ash which would also increase those numbers and the amount of games Stock missed it is believable he'd be killing Kidd in steals jus playing passing lanes especially since him and Malone are the most durable people you'll ever see look at the pg before Stockton they were scorers in college then when signed by Jazz they were averaging low points a shit ton of assists and getting more steals put Stock on another team Malone wouldn't be number 2 in scoring and John would at least be top 7 in scoring John was a system player plus i was alive you watch them play so most the stuff Rusty said i already knew the boring game style is why i never really watched Jazz also i didnt say IT could make any team a 50 win team cause i clearly said the whole team was pure defenders or elite 2 ways being led by IT and DumarsCP3 had a great team in LA and Houston but was to injury prone and never made it far
Ray Burks Stockton was a system player to a degree but he’d still be good anywhere. He had enough of the mark price/Steve Nash archetype in his game where he’d likely be 17/8 for his career with high steals and efficiency a bit lower. Two points: Carlos boozer/deron Williams played the same role in the late 2000’s and put up similar numbers to Malone/Stockton but not quite. I’d say the difference was due to Malone/Stockton’s talent. Second point: in the 1997 western conference finals when the jazz appeared dead in the water, Stockton scores like 17 points in the 4th including the game winner to send them to the finals. He could score, but that wasn’t his role in general. 13 points on .515 shooting to me me is better than say IT averaging 19pts on .456. It’s just a matter of preference I suppose.
@@swpdisciple Stockton was a scorer turned passer by the Jazz any other team he'd average over 20 points he was a great scorer but he could never show case it in Utah due to the gameplan which was John gets the ball pass to Malone and he scores that shiz only the Utah coach at the time did if I'm correct he got fired i don't remember cause i don't follow the Jazz but if John was put on a team like Lakers or Celtics he would've been ur utilized as a scorer like in college
How is kyrie irving not a top 10 all time pg if you put guys like westbrook and cp3 you need to put kyrie up there too he also has a ring which both of them dont have
My opinion this list is bias on some stats and “playoff importance” as you don’t look at how good all around player or defends player is, as I’m not gonna say this is terrible but there is a lot of bias on what do you call someone better, is player better due efficiency and consistent play on both side or awards with championship and high point scoring with high stats.
frl. he didnt put jason williams on here when he fathered kidd and nash. look at his highlights and you’ll see that he was literally, best passer in nba history
The fact that Bob Cousy isn’t on this list considering his accomplishments (MVP, 13 time all star, 6 TIME CHAMPION) and his incredible impact on the game of basketball (revolutionized the PG position, first modern style of play, first volume scoring point guard) is outrageous but otherwise it’s a good list LOW keep it up
Yeah but it’s hard to include him because unlike a lot of their nba legends, you can’t see a scenario where Bob Cousy could thrive in the NBA past the year 1980, let alone make the league.
Ashanti Nyongo that’s a fair point but this isn’t listing the ten most athletic or most purely talented PGs of all time I don’t think it’s a list of the best NBA PGs in NBA history
The Russell Westbrook placement shook me. But when I thought about it I couldn't think of any real reason for him to not be up there, or really anyone to go over him. I don't know why but that's just kinda crazy to me
He steals rebounds, gets mad assists because the defense focuses on him more than they should? he cant shoot volume at a high clip from outside and he lives at the rim. Hes devastating on the drive like we have never seen and his ability to finish at the rim is crazy. but hes been stat hunting on teams to pad it out.He's not a PG IMO. hes a scoring guard that can make plays secondary. He can average 10 assists for his whole career and never get close to the record. I like to separate the scoring PGs and the facilitators.
It's TRUE russ is different animal compared to russ theres no quit in russ 1000 mph on 365 days a yr d rose athleticism was not out of control like russ
Jason Kidd was so versatile. If you wanted him to get his coach fired, he could do it. If you wanted him to get a DUI, he could do it. Hell if you wanted him to assault his wife, he can even do that.
1. Magic Johnson 2. Stephen Curry 3. Oscar Robertson 4. Isiah Thomas 5. Walt Frazier 6. Tony Parker 7. Gary Payton 8. Kyrie Irving (19 rings total between them) 9. John Stockton 10. Chris Paul 11. Russell Westbrook 12. Jason Kidd 13. Steve Nash 14. Damian Lillard 15. Derrick Rose (1 Ring total between them, and that was Jason Kidd as a role player with Dallas)
@@campusportal9718 a pg job is to be a playmaker not jus pass playmakers set up plays for themselves and the team a great example is curry he was a scorer in college the Jazz system is what made him a passer any other team he would've average 23+ due to his durability and scoring abilty he had but never used in Utah
Ray Burks bruh you stupid point guards don’t always need to score they make plays for their team meaning if he had to pass he passes. All you guys just care about the ppg. Its like you’re saying that point guards must have atleast 20ppg just to be in the top 10. Its like saying stockton nash kidd who are all pass first should not be in the top 10
@@gaarou8231 are you stupid or jus dumb? Did you read a single thing i said or jus comment? Playmakers don't jus pass they set up plays for themselves and the team i said this they mix scoring and passing like i said a perfect example is Curry Magic and CP3 if you only pass you're not a playmaker you're jus Rondo
Hes overrated watch more basketball you probably think hes top 3 hes not casuals think Stockton is so great he is but compared to steph hes not as good
she want me stop it, arguably the greatest floor general ever, all time leader in steals and assists. And he’s one of the most underrated clutch shooters.
@@kanyecrazy7440 the assist are easy he gets it to karl and he can get 10 assist from that hes overrated put steph curry on that team with karl malone they would have won in 6
Man people love Stockton. Stockton was great but people over glorify him. Stockton had longevity but his peak was not very high. In all those years he only made 2x 1st team all-nba teams? In all those years he didn't make one 1st team all-defense? In all those years he was never a serious MVP candidate? (never finished top 6 in MVP voting)
You’re forgetting the 21.8 PER .209 WS/48 despite a 18.9 USG% (ridiculous) 6.8 Box Plus Minus 😨 106.5 Value Over Replacement 😂 And a 60.8% TS, his peak was 17 & 14...which is a maximum of contributing to 59 Points...
i think you may be a little high on russ. of course, his amazing hustle and rebounding on top of very good playmaking and passing speak for himself, even though you have to mention stat padding. but that point aside, his weaknesses are obvious and blatant: he tourns the ball over like none other, has throughout most of his career had poor descision making and is ridiculously inefficient. paired with his lack of post-season success relative to his expectations, i dont think he is any better than a guy like gary payton
It’s a pretty good list but maybe Tony Parker should be here for example instead of Westbrook no? I mean Westbrook is really good but he just has flashy stats and a good athleticism while Parker is a 4x NBA champion and a finals MVP...
Merlin Lipin if you’re really focusing on careers yes he is but Westbrook is a better player simple he would be top 5 due to his skill but no success in the post season
Ok, let's all be honest here, LOW is 100% correct about john Stockton being number 10. Seriously, the only real reason why people overrate him so much is because of his records.
Goddammit Nappa His list is terrible. How is Westbrook top 10 over Gary Payton & Walt Frazier? And Chris Paul is too high... Isiah shouldn’t be ahead of Oscar 😂😂😂
77 when was CP3 ever toxic, a diva, or a choker? If you wanted to say that his injuries could be considered choking then I guess that’s fair, but I think that’s more so being injury prone. He has shown that he isn’t toxic or a diva by being drama free and leading the OKC Thunder to the playoffs.
I respect your opinion, but I think John Stockton is way too low. To me he is top 5 no doubt and I would go as far to call him top 3. Westbrook is my favorite player, but Russ has no business being above Stockton. I’ve always felt like Nash and Kidd were similar to John Stockton, but always missed something that he had. For Nash it was defense and Kidd it was scoring efficiency.
Stockton had longevity going for him. Stockton's peak was never that high. Only made two 1st team all-nba teams even though he was healthy basically for his whole career, never made 1st team all-defense & was never seriously considered as an MVP candidate.
Dean simmons I understand the pick of Stock at 10, but I also don;t know why all nba 2nd teams are a demerit all things considered. I understand placement, but using that to knock doesn’t make sense. I think the MVP element here is the stronger more compelling case.
Kidd wasn't that efficient because unlike Stockton he created his own shots. He was a walking triple-double, he played better defense and he carried a Netw team that previously missed the playoffs to back-to-back finals. Kidd>Stockton
John Stockton: All time assist leader, all time steal leader, 55/4800 NBA players in points all time, two finals appearances, played 19 seaons (Lebron has played 20 seasons so far) and never missed the playoffs, five western conference finals appearances, selected to play on the dream team. So just think about that... There's around 4800 NBA players all time, Stockton is 55th in points, 1st in steals, and 1st in assists. That's legend shit.
I think that Westbrook definitely deserves to be ahead of 3 people in front of him. He’s better the kidd better then Nash and better than west(due to era)
Jerry West is the logo. I agree that one or two more great years then he moves ahead of West. Also, while Westbrooks stats are great U think they are a bit misleading. While the triple doubleshot are impressive, his field percentage is pretty low and he averages over 5 turnovers per game.
@@BravestOfTheBrave the losses were to the Celtics, a stacked deck. No free agency in that era, so it was vs. Bill Russell, Casey Jones, Bob Cousy, John Havlicek, etc. year after year.
Otherwise, this was a good list! I'm glad you gave Isaiah Thomas the respect he deserves! My top 5 point guards is Magic, Curry, Thomas, Robertson, Stockton. Jerry West is a shooting guard.
PG is a deep position historically - one might easily make a case for Bob Cousy, Walt Frazier, Tiny Archibald, Dennis Johnson, Gary Payton, & Dame Lilliard. I think Stockton is inarguably top 5 and also Jerry West wasn't a PG. But I enjoyed your explanations and video.
@@KingCjwc And Westbrook has? I love Dame, but I agree putting him anywhere close to top 10 is crazy. But he is better than Westbrook if you actually want a good PG and not just stat padder
@@nbassasin8092 Russell Westbrook's resume: NBA Most Valuable Player (2017) 9× NBA All-Star (2011-2013, 2015-2020) 2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2015, 2016) 2× All-NBA First Team (2016, 2017) 5× All-NBA Second Team (2011-2013, 2015, 2018) 2× All-NBA Third Team (2019, 2020) 2× NBA scoring champion (2015, 2017) 3× NBA assists leader (2018, 2019, 2021) Lillard has done nothing that suggests that he should be placed higher than Westbrook all time beside clutch shots
@@Bashir_Ali how about carrying the team to deep playoff runs almost every year with almost no actually consistent help from anyone Russells depest run was when he was number 2 to one of the scariest offensive players of all time
The Stockton comments are killing me. U could swap him wit Westbrook but he still should be no higher. He never led his own team unlike everyone ranked above him. And tbh if he never played wit Malone would he be all time in ast?
Stockton has better statistics than pretty much everyone on here. He’s a true point guard, he was consistently an All-League & All-Defense favorite each season. If you team him up with multiple All-Stars like the guys ahead of him (Wilt, Kareem, Worthy, KD, Thompson, etc) he’s winning 2-3 rings easily.
Massive respect from putting Jerry West at #2 go watch that 1969 playoffs and he was clearly the best player on the court, and that court had Wilt, Russell, Baylor, and more.
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My list will be as far as my knowledge is concern (no google, just an nba fan since the 90's) 1. Magic- no doubt for now 2. Steph- greatest shooter ever + game changer when on the floor 3. West- logo for a reason 4. Big-O- pioneer all-around pg 5. Isiah- led bad boys b2b champs, could've been 3peat 6. Stockton- 2 unbeatable records, consistently great behind malone 7. Nash- 2x time mvp, culture changer 8. Kidd- Great all-around pg, led not so talented nets to b2b finals, epic freethrow kiss 9. Paul- arguably the best and only True point God in today's nba and that's madaf*king impressive, elite defense for a small PG 10. Westbrook- A+ speed, A+ power, inhuman athleticism Honorable mention Dame- ultra clutch and great leader Drose- my favorite pg of all time, could've best if not for injuiries Payton- best pg defender of all time
Not a bad list, though in my opinion i have two main issues: 1) Ranking Jason Kidd over John Stockton: Stockton and Kidd I see as mirrors of each other. They are both extremely intelligent pass-first point guards, virtually identical in every way except that Stockton leads Kidd in all time in total assists, total steals, shooting percentage, 3 point percentage, FT percentage, total points etc. (And seeing as they both had similar longevity, I can use total stats in this case as a fair comparator. Stockton also generally performed better in the play offs and really only loses to Kidd in terms of rebounding and having won one NBA championship. 2) You do not even have AI as an honorable mention in either your PG or SG lists.....where....is....Allen Iverson? His impact on the league is undeniable and he has probably one of the best 10 year stretches that any guard his size has ever had in the nba, bar none.
Why did u say "almost all of his career with Utah" with Stockton when he never left?? And Nash had 4 seasons of 50-40-90 lol damn u getting stuff wrong left and right bro
Andre Ingram aka DJ Screw RIP I’m not punishing him for that. I’m jus saying that basing his rank solely because he’s an all time leader which is attributed to the fact that he played for so long isn’t fair to all the other point guards
Flight gonna be pissed if it's not all family members of Steph Curry 1-10 😂
@@theknickfan881 Fuck off with your self promotion
@@UofMMan357 it worked wtf youre the real deal my guy
look at curry man
Marquez Howard I would not like to sub and I would like for you to please stop promoting your videos
@@sw120 Thank you, it's fucking annoying no matter how humble you think you're sounding
gary payton is underrated
Yeah. He should have been on the list over Westbrook. Also where's Bob Cousy? LOW probably has not even heard of him...
@@Zamppa86 Are you joking?
Payton, cousy and Frazier honorable mentions on my list
@@FullmetalMarco he said Payton over Westbrook 💀💀
Walt Frazier and Dennis Johnson too
“Stockton is low bc his stats didn’t lead to much winning” *puts Westbrook at 8*
Whose stats were more of a case of individual excellence over longevity within a system.
Stockton played with karl malone almost all his career
The absolute disrespect to Stockton
@@izzy031096 facts I damn near I had to turn the video off
@@Professional_street_hustler I did bro, if he’s not in your top 3 pg of all time I ain’t listening anymore
Stockton at 10 that would piss off a lot of people
I’m not a stockton fan but fr 10 is just disrespectful
Like me he crazy 😂 nash over Stockton really
@@justaoldsoul6132 stockton is the most overrated player of all time. Rusty buckeys explains it well
@@dylanlabadie130 But russ isnt overrated he got an MVP he doesnt even deserve and he too has been bounced out the first round with him as the leader with help he had paul GEORGE and victor Oladipo ironically both guys who are doing way better without him. Even CP3 without any big name superstar or all star has the OKC thunder at the 6th seed and is establishing a great culture over there at okc practically by himself. Russ is THE MOST OVERRATED POINT GUARD EVER. But low gave it to him because he has an MVP. At least john Stockton with another great player can make the finals TWICE and on top of that okc made the finals in a lockout year the very next year they got bounced out the 2nd round with KD with him. But without KD he do the same thing cp3 is doing but way worse. But hes over Stockton who with another great teammate made the finals twice. That karl malone arguement is inadequate cause when karl left Stockton he went to the lakers and made the finals UNDER SHAQ AND KOBE. John stockton is better than russ he should at least be 6 or 7. Steve nash is great but he never made the finals in an equal as tough conference as the west was in the 00s and the 90s and steve had help that whole system was based around him. Stockton is at least 6th or 7tj
@@donnyjones6717 The thunder were consistently top 5 with russ and victor oladipo was not good on the thunder
If Smush Parker is not here, Imma rage
Joseph Lee and Johnny Flinn😤
How DARE u not mentioning ALEX CARUSO
Marquez Howard shut up and stop self promoting asshole
@@beanman3952 what the fuck are u so mad for
Air Isaac he is self promoting on other people’s vieeos
My list is going to be way more accurate than yours‼️
How you only got 1 like agent😂
5 likes
I think everybody think you’re fake cuz you don’t have that check mark thingy
That’s tough
*ackreate
My top 10
1. Magic Johnson
2. Stephen Curry
3. Isiah Thomas
4. Oscar Robertson
5. Jerry West
6. Chris Paul
7. Jason Kidd
8. Steve Nash
9. Gary Payton
10. Russell Westbrook
not bad
Minimal Interest not a curry fan, but he should’ve won the first finals MVP
@Minimal Interest he averaged 28-6-5 on 49/48/86 shooting from games 3-6 and put up 26-8-4 in game 1 on 50% shooting. Game 2 was his only God awful game
Minimal Interest Unanimous MVP?
yourfavoritepizzaboy exactly what I’m saying and people say Andre guarded LeBron. Yeah he did but LeBron still averaged 30 + , 6 + , 6 +
The Point Guard position is arguably the hardest position to rank all time
SG is easiest I always found center really hard tho, with guys like hakeem and shaq who are hard to compare imo
FTC FlightTeamStandUp Oh for sure I agree with that logic like LOW said, the Center position has probably evolved the most especially in the modern NBA. Center is definitely the deepest position in NBA history as well. With any all time rankings it really is hard to compare guys across eras. Especially comparing someone like Jerry West or Magic Johnson to Steph Curry.
@@bryanryder7196 exactly, fitting older dudes like bill russell, wilt and west is always harder than ranking current ones.
@@ivorpadjen2131 Sf and C both hard too
Yeah but John Stockton is better than Russel and Chris Paul sooooooo.......
LOW: I have Oscar at 5 bc of the Era he played in
Also LOW: Jerry West is #2
Gotta love the consistency
@@Maximillian200HP right lmao
That's just a 3 spot difference.
- lol. Agree but at the same time, LOW pointed out that Oscar had the stats but not going deep into the playoffs while West had the stats and went deep into the playoffs.
Without advanced stats, it is hard to evaluate pre 1980s greats. They didn't pick all-time defensive teams until 1969-70 when West was 31yo or record steals (until '73-74 in West's final year). So here we are barber-shopping...
Thinking the same man
Steph: *plays 10 seasons 7 of those being elite seasons*
LOW: "Thats not good enough"
future hofer 2015-2019 were elite. So u got that flipped. He played 11 seasons too so u clearly don’t know much about curry. So he had 4 good seasons and 7 seasons that were basically just dealing w injuries or developing his young talent...
@@brendanl.6220 2013 he was an elite, all-star level point guard. 2014 he was an all-star, and widely considered around a top 10 player. 2015 to 2019 he had all-time great seasons, was the best point guard in the league, not even close, and was a top 3 level player. His 11th season he played 5 games.
@@riqui5406 nopes, he was only elite from '16, he only won his 1st mvp because of team record,
@@riqui5406 I dont know if you're saying that the 2013-14 was an elite curry or that an 2012-13 was an elite curry, cause saying that 2012-13 curry was elite is just flat out dumb. Even saying 2014 curry was "elite" is dumb. Just because he was an all-star that doesn't mean he's elite and a "top 10 player" lol.
@@genermanaloto6509 I mean...yeah..that's how you win MVP buddy....Be the best player on the best team, lol? Unless youre doing something that hasn't been done in decades, like averaging a triple-double, then you're not winning the MVP unless you meet that criteria.
Me: * wondering wether Nº3 will be Stockton Robertson or Thomas *
LOW: Stockton 10 Robertson 5 and Thomas 4
@@bperez003 no really best passer of all time and a amazing defender
@@johnnyoutlaw7068 not even close to the best passer
@@bradyd2270 well has to most assists all time magic was a better flashy passer and had better teammates and why would you say not even say that knowing his assists numbers
@@johnnyoutlaw7068 assists dont tell passing skill watch a rusty bucket video
@@bradyd2270 actually that's why they keep the stat
At number 10.. John Stockton
You done messed up right there.
@Et Accurate? Excuse me wtf?
@@leos_27 exactly! Stockton at 10 is ridiculous! He should be at 2 or 3!!
@Et Bro hes 1 all time in assits
@@jasonwaznak5825 ok now he's higher than 10 but he isn't 2 or 3
Yohanis Yehuala I have Stockton around 4th all time pg
Sheesh as soon as I saw Stockton 10 I was like in typical LOW fashion he starts out controversial lol. I agree he’s overrated but 10? Aw man I can’t go that far maybe 5-6
Mike Watkins Jr Cousy>Stockton I don’t understand what this comment section is on
#1 all time in assists and steals, and nobody is even CLOSE. Nobody will ever touch his assist record his type of longevity and consistency at the point guard position may never be seen again
@@CodeineAbdulJabbar His assists were largely what's called Rondo assists. Where the pass doesn't actually make the bucket easier to get, but relies on the receiver to do most of the work.
This shouldn’t be an argument purely based on statistics if we’re discussing the greatest point guards in history. It’s not a discussion of the greatest statistical accumulators in history. Cousy was a winner, a teammate, and an ambassador above all else. He’s a great comparison to Curry today in terms of impact and pushing the game of basketball forward, more so than Stockton ever came close to
@@VictorFPoB No...John Stockton broke guys with his superior cardio, you didn't get easy minutes with Stockton he would speed up or slow down the game and break his opponents. More impressively he did all of it at elevation.
Idk why Chris Paul gets labeled as a choker, if you realize he’s always been there like LOW said he just gets injured and the worst times, like in 2018, had Chris Paul not been injured then the rockets would’ve been nba champions
Somregularguy durability is arguably one of the most important traits. What good would all the great ones be if they were hurt all the time deep in the playoffs? Imagine, there would be zero GOAT talk if Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Shaq, Duncan. Arguing because he would PROB have a ring is insulting to the greats who won every year he could have. They were greater because they were more durable. They took care of themselves better and they were stronger. It’s facts bc they WENT LONGER.
He literally stated not long ago CP3 stats had best playoff efficiency in the last 10 years smh Low is so bias
You had me until nba champions in 2018 if the rockets would’ve won with cp3 healthy, how come they couldn’t win last year when Durant went down?
Chris Paul himself is not a playoff choker, his body does though.
Fax
Stockton, one of the most underappreciated players ever, along with Moses, Elgin Baylor and pistol Pete.
dam u could have said moses malones last name
Yeah he lost me when he put Stockton at 10
Should be third
Stockton threw the ball in the air and Malone dunks it every single play😑
Stockton is trash
Purely stupidity!!! You will never see a list with Stockon at 10 for greatest PG
Stockton, Kidd and westbrick are all better than Nash
Yo low where the podcast at I wanna here more of you’re crazy stories. Love the video to keep it up . NOTI GANG GANG GANG
Monday's was a audio exclusive
Monday and Thursday
Let’s me help you finish that..... gang gang GANG
Lmao they forgot to turn on the camera
My list
1: Stephen Curry
2: Magic Johnson
3: Allen Iverson
4: Steve Nash
5: Oscar Robertson
6: John Stockton
7: Isiah Thomas
8: Russell Westbrook
9: Jason Kidd
10: Damian Lillard
You can hear LOW's southern accent come out when he says "point" 😂
And “you(‘)r(e)” and “guard”
Marquez Howard Shut the fuck up please
@Marquez Howard Fuck off
“Where’s Curry at.” Look at curry man.
inspirational
Just remember that before the Jazz played and lost to the Bulls in the 1998 Finals, John Stockton and the Jazz _swept_ the Los Angeles Lakers in the Western Conference Finals - a Lakers team that had both Shaq and Kobe playing for them. As a point guard, John Stockton is vastly underappreciated and underrated.
Let's not act like that was Kobe prime man.
Kobe wasn’t even that good back then
@@jcmaybenot oh he was in his prime. He actually went to the all star game in 98 too. And he was also at his athletic best. Only thing people can say was Phil Jackson wasn't there yet but the Lakers had the more athletic talented team than the Jazz and they still beat them.
@@kennylopezjeetkunedo5555 no he wasn't in his prime, and he went to the all star game because he was a talented young star on the Lakers. Kobe's prime probably starts from 01 to 10. Anything before and after are definitely not years you can call his prime, furthermore 98 wasn't even a HOF level season from him, which he had about ten of...so no it wasn't close to his prime. His best years can be argued as either 06, 03, 04, 01, 08, or 09.....but his sophomore year in the league he didn't even average 16 pts a game and averaged less than 10 in thr playoffs.
@@jcmaybenot he was also wasn't starting even though he was one of the best on the team at the time with Eddie Jones so he was actually even more dangerous coming off the bench at the time. So a lot of people will say that because he wasn't starting but he definitely was at his athletic best in 98. And regardless of what anyone says, the Lakers had a more stacked squad than the Jazz did in 98, and the Lakers were far more athletic than the Jazz was. I'm only bring that up because a lot of people from this generation talk about how athletic all these players are today and being more athletic doesn't mean you're the better team or better player.
Nobody:
LOW: F u r t h e r m o r e
@Marquez Howard just stop it
PF:
1. Duncan
2. Dirk
3. Garnett
4. Karl
5. Barkley
(McHale is 6)
ViperProYT i respect this cuz this what I love to see in LOW’s comments. Other people that think just like low cuz everyone that watches these videos aren’t complete absolute fucking potatoes that think they know what they talkin bout but they don’t, but again, I like that pf ranking
Facts
ViperProYT low key I would put Barkley above Karl
ViperProYT fair
I'd move Karl to N°2 but the rest seem pretty accurate
4:13 did he say porn guard lmao
😂😂😂 he really did say that
NAHHH NO WAY 😂
Isiah was amazing but the narrative that Isiah beat Bird, Magic, and MJ in their primes is overstated considering that in the:
88 series vs Boston, played well while Bird suffered due to bone spurs on both feet
89 series vs Boston, he averaged 12 points on 33% shooting while Bird missed the season due to surgery to treat aforementioned bone spurs
89 Finals vs LA, Dumars won FMVP while Byron Scott didn't play and neither did Magic after 1.5 games
88, 89, and 90 series vs CHI, he shot 40% and below each series
Doesn’t matter. He did it. A win is a win, no matter what road he took to get there. And if ur gonna use nuance, use it for everyone not just him.
Him and Dumars still lead that team, the majority of credit goes to them
yourfavoritepizzaboy and what about 88 ecf? He avg 23 points on 45% to beat them in 6 while bird had a shit series?
@@TheIcemanthomas Well you have to add context or else IT would be gaining a lot of clout for stuff he didn't do.
He beat them sure but to say he beat them in their primes or he dominated them on an individual bases is just a flat out lie.
@@TheIcemanthomas because most people already know the narratives surrounding other great point guards but when we talk about Isiah the #1 case that gets brought up for him is that he beat 3 top 10 players in their primes. That's like me claiming that Steph beat LeBron 3 times in his prime without adding any context. No hate
When it’s all said and done it’ll be 1A. Magic 1B. Curry then the rest
I agree, but we don't know how much Curry really can play at this all-time great level. He's already missed this season cause of a hand injury + his ankles are like paper. The GSW core is getting older and every single team in the west and even in the east is getting better. Are they still a championship contender? idk, we'll see, but I don't think Curry can win another championship unless something major happens or somebody chokes, like the injuries to the cavs in 2014 - 15 or the choke job by the Thunder in 2015 - 16.
If Curry doesn't ball out and win another 1 or 2 titles, he would be stuck at top 2 PG of all-time. Pretty damn great to be second only to Magic, but yeah no FMVP will be an issue when we talk about top all-time rankings.
sWampY bro when’s the last time curry had a ankle injury that made him sit for 2 weeks plus... it’s been like 5 years
@@isaaccalalang7832 Bro has played less than 70 games for the past 3 seasons, and he missed this season cause of a hand injury.
He's getting up there in age and the fact that his ankles aren't durable isn't going to change....
Facts, I think curry will win another championship and he’ll be an all star for like 5 more years or if he gets lucky 6 more but I definitely agree with you
Jerry west lost in the finals like 8 times
Yeah and lebron is fairly close to that number but he's still the greatest SF ain't he?? I'm not defending his position on this list but that's not a valid argument.
Prophet_ 2059
Well lebron won 3 and and lost 6 so it’s not really a valid argument to compare Jerry to lebron
@@Niberi702 I'm not comparing, I used him as an example to devalidify your comment. It apparently doesnt matter how many times you lose in the finals.
Prophet_ 2059
You are most definitely comparing if you weren’t comparing what was the point of even bringing lebron into the same category as jerry west
@@Niberi702 what was the point of mentioning jerry west losing in the finals?
Where is Tony Parker??
4 time NBA champ
6 time All-Star
2007 finals mvp
James N you smoking that dope dope if you think Tony P is a top 10 PG 😂
Tony parker is literally only known because of tim duncan
Dark Reaper Edits I think his contributions to that Spurs team really propel his legacy past what it would’ve been anywhere else. For his career he was a 16 ppg and like 6 apg guy in that spurs system with a couple 20 ppg seasons, elsewhere I think it’s fair to say he probably would’ve been a low teens kind scorer and 4-5 assist guy, which is still a good career, but not one in top ten PG conversation. Maybe two or three all-star selections and for the bulk of his career he’s known as a high-level role player and borderline all star
Dark Reaper Edits I think the era he played in was huge for him too. Like in today’s NBA with his small frame, lack of crazy athleticism, and no real outside shooting (for his career he’s a 32% 3pt shooter on 1 three attempt per game), he’d probably be like a 12th man, if he was even able to keep a roster spot😂 but then again it’s hard to put players in different eras too, so you know it’s kind of moot.
Marc Bibanga And clutchness is one of the intangibles of players in any sport that really elevates a player. I don’t disagree with you. I’m just saying in a hypothetical scenario where he never goes to San Antonio and plays in that system and we possibly never see him deliver in crunch time; he’d be remembered a lot differently. Projecting his talents in practically any other situation I think his career would’ve been less prolific.
How do you have Jerry West over steph Curry bruh really he's the undoubtedly 2nd best PG ever
@Marquez Howard yea can you sub to me and shout me out since I subbed to you, liked and commented?
@1995 GetJiggyWitIt ha
1995 GetJiggyWitIt how.
1995 GetJiggyWitIt better playoff performer? Steph averages 6 more points than Thomas in the playoffs, averages more rebounds per game, shoots a higher percentage from 2, 3 and from the FT line. Steph also has more rings. Thomas averages 2.5 assists per game more and another steal per game. Thomas has the most memorable series of the 2 (88 finals on one leg), but his finals numbers don’t compare to Steph’s numbers. Go and check for yourself. The 88 series, Thomas only averaged 19.7 ppg, even after scoring 43 in game 6. He had a 10 point and 13 point game. Statistically speaking Curry is the better playoff performer. Championship wise Curry is the better performer. Finals numbers Steph is better, and they should have the same number of finals MVP’s (15 should have been Steph’s). Better passer and defender yes I’ll give you. Steph is a better shooter, scorer and has completely changed the sport, something Thomas never even came close to doing. As for better leader, which player led their team to an all time best 73-9 record? You have nothing to back up your claim that Thomas is a better leader, as Steph has led his team to greater success than Thomas.
@1995 GetJiggyWitIt ok steph is a better passer let's get that straight a way better leader because of the simple fact that he had the best offensive season ever and was willing to take a step back when kd arrived for the betterment of the team and Isiah has as many bad playoff games if not more then steph
NO ONE ON THAT LIST HAS DONE WHAT RUSSELL WESTBROOK IS DOING
AND HE ISN'T FINISHED.
So we’re not gonna bring up Jerry west’s 1-8 finals record?
Stephen A Smiths burner make 9 finals then talk
F ten so only Jerry west and magic Johnson can talk about basketball because they made 9 finals?
Was Jerry West not known as mr. clutch? Was he not finals mvp in spite of losing? He had to go against Bill Russell’s Celtics. He was insane in playoffs
He had top go against the bill Russell celtics though
No one calls Jerry West the GOAT.
He don’t agree with west at 2 and I’d rather him be considered a 2 guard. Also I think stock should be higher but otherwise this is a decent list. One of the more knowledgeable ones I’ve seen.
CPGoat #3 Stockton is becoming more widely regarded as an overrated player
A Different Perspective not to the players. The players show nothing but love for stock. It’s only causals and you tubers ever spread this Stockton distain
@@TheIcemanthomas real talk though mans was playing with another top 5 player in their respective position and still never won a ring and was #8 i believe as the highest in mvp consideration nothing against him but i do think his longevity propelled him in the pg discussion
IDK why people think Jerry West was a 2 guard when he played most of his career at the PG position.
btw. Its me, I'm people.
sWampY he’s a combo. He played the 1 out of necessity more than it being his natural position.
Jerry West played a whole game of basketball and his hair never got messed up
Thats insane
You said John Stockton spent almost all his career with the Jazz, but that’s the only team he played for
Mitchell equals Idiot no he said John Stockton played for the Jazz for his almost 2 decade career. He played 19 years which is almost 2 decades
He also was talking about playing with Karl Malone that they spent almost all there career together
The John Stockton disrespect is unreal
Caleb_ _MTZ how he’s overrated as fuck
He’s only good Bc he got to play with Karl Malone, and the system he played in. Very good player but overrated
@@outlawstarjoseph8064 yeaaa the most assists in history, most steals in history, 2nd all time ast avg, top 10 all time, 5 all defensive selectiona, shot 50% from the field = overrated
Bret Maverick inflated assist, watch the tape, he just threw the ball the Malone
Bret Maverick HES a slightly better rondo
Jerry West over Cousy, Robertson, and Curry what a joke
Jack Johnson Cousy got a better regular season and playoff win percentage. Cousy got more championships. He’s got more playoff appearances, more MVPs, and more All Star game MVPs. Cousy made everyone around him better because he was a better passer. Cousy also beat West in the finals
West>curry
Allen IVERSON doe
trueee bruh i agree with you
I mean..... thats not far off. Curry and West is interchangeable but he's definitely better than Cousy and Oscar
Yeah Stockton at 10 is outrageous and you put Russ above him too is even more outrageous
Yeah Some dude was told me Stockton hasn’t done what westbrook has come. Stockton has still accomplished more
Not a fact Westbrook made the finals to and has way better all around numbers with k.d his efficiency and turnovers Is Westbrook’s biggest flaws he also has an mvp where Stockton doesn’t so yes Westbrook is better
FragsToNice Stockton made the finals twice. John Stockton is one of the most efficient pgs of Alltime
FragsToNice please stop John Stockton is better , John Stockton is the Alltime leader in assists and steals . Nobody in their right mind would put westbrook ahead of John Stockton rn .
FragsToNice bc westbrook has an mvp he’s better stop your logic makes no sense . So Derrick Rose is better than Isiah Thomas and Dwyane Wade according to your logic
More like top 10 hybrid players, amirite Kendrick Perkins
😂😂😂
lol
myhowtos789 W
Also, Big O average a triple double on a mediocre team.
If u eliminate dirty players u can drop Isaiah Thomas. That whole team wasn't just physical they were dirty, undercutting guys, etc.
John Stockton is assist all time leader.. all time steals leader.. he lead league in assist 9x .. he is so underrated..
Yes
yeah because he dished to Malone all the time lol, and Malone more often than not is gonna score when heading to the basket, he was too strong to stop one on one, dude was built like a tank
@@HiNRGboy omg shut up
I don’t see how Stockton the all time leader in assists is 10
Lachie E makes zero sense
He is a hater of people that put up "empty stats", great numbers that dont equate to championships.
Because his stats are inflated. His assists are because he was lucky enough to play with a healthy Karl Malone all of those years. I wouldn't even had John Stockon on this list... I would have included Gary Payton on here instead.
His durability which led to those numbers plus his assist were to Malone most of the time he wasn't flashy and had no left he went from a pure scorer in college to an assist leader the minute he touched the Jazz roster same with the guard before him it was the system that got him all those assists and steals
Stockton has legendary durability. Freakish, actually. But the man did not play winning championships basketball.
NASH my guy, hands down nash had one of the most unguardable layups of all times. That is still being used by a couple guards in the league today!
Finally someone who acknowledges Westbrook, people underrate him
I swear someone’s gonna be like “where’s drose???” Lmao
nah, WHERES JASON WILLIAMS AT?
@@Bri.ThaRapper i love jason williams but i wouldnt blame anybody if they dont put him in their top 10. Jason surely is my top 3 fav pg to watch. Tied with magic. I like watching curry and prime rondo and cp3 more.
without the injuries hed definitely be a top 5 pg all time at least by 2015
WHERES ALLEN IVERSON
@@ad0nisss__ he's considered a sg
What’s up guys it’s the one and only legend of simping
Jack m.ua-cam.com/video/8C9mM9jFKbE/v-deo.html
Aka L.O.S
“The one and only, Simp, of Atlanta.”
you being a boston fan i would think you would say cousy
No, Steph is two and we’re is Gary Payton. He is so underrated
Isiah or curry at 2
It's his opinion, either he hates gary or isn't that great of a player for HIM
@@zeflr122 Curry hasn't even played 15 seasons yet Jerry has a finals MVP and curry doesn't
@@maryblazer7820 whos the hell is jery
Gary ?????????? Lmfao
I feel like John Stockton is starting to become underrated because of that vid by NBA Storyteller and Rusty Buckets. Yes, Stockton did have a left. Were his assist figures fluffed up? Maybe. But I’ve been hearing that about assists in general for most of my 40 years. The problem with Stockton other than not winning a title is he played so long that his prime was long forgotten by the time he retired in 2003. Prime Stockton is like 17pts/14 assists/3 steals on crazy shooting splits. Oh and don’t look now but the analytics love Stockton (.200+ career win shares/48 mins). He passes the eye test too. Great film in this list. He’s becoming oddly underrated.
Point 2: Chris Paul is most likely better than Isiah Thomas. I love the original IT but he has dirty efficiencies/very weak analytics. Also people mis-remember the bad boy Pistons. They won because of incredible balance on the team and Joe Dumars was likely the best player on the team due to similar offense and far superior defense and shooting. Jerry West said the same thing in-period. People remember IT’s no-defense pistons numbers with Kelly Tripucka years before Chuck Daly took over the Pistons and made them a more defensive, deliberate team. Great, great point guard though.
Third point: this must be greatest career and not necessarily best. Kevin Johnson, Derrick Rose (who KJ is basically a direct forerunner to) and Walt Clyde Frazier are better than most of the players on this list. Honorable mention to Dennis Johnson (especially the Sonics version).
The Jazz system made Stockton Stockton same with the pg before him they went from scorers in college to double digit assist in pro the whole gameplan was pass to Malone. And power drive or catch and shoot mid range plus playing passing lanes is of course gonna make more steals and the reason IT is higher is because less injuries and more post season success IT and Dumars were a nasty duo both being elite 2 ways especially for their size the whole pistons team were either pure defenders or elite 2 way players with IT and Dumars leading the way IT deserves to be higher than CP3
Ray Burks the funny thing about the video is that it showed John Stockton clearly doing more than what he said. At least in NBA Storyteller and Rusty Buckets’ vid it showed he only dribbling right and making basic passes to Malone. Prime Stockton’s steal numbers were too high to be just passing lane hawking. He was also a very good on-ball defender. I think it was just his unassuming way and low usage that have people eager to knock him down. It’s not unlike Tim Duncan where people shadow diss him “Kobe was better in the 2000’s”, if the Bulls ran it back they’d have won in 1999”, “ if Kobe and Shaq were not feuding, they’d have won more”. It’s the same thing happening with Stockton where he’s just cast aside with peripheral arguments or explanations as to why he did what he did that don’t apply to anyone else, really.
I won’t fight you on IT vs CP3. The eye test and for sure the numbers indicate CP3 was better. IT is probably the only great player with ~ .100 win shares/48 that everyone treats like you can just put him out there with any mediocre cast and they’d win at say, a 50 game/season level.
@@swpdisciple john and Malone rarely didn't play together and hes what number 2 i believe in scoring and stock number 1 in assist plus they were durable ash which would also increase those numbers and the amount of games Stock missed it is believable he'd be killing Kidd in steals jus playing passing lanes especially since him and Malone are the most durable people you'll ever see look at the pg before Stockton they were scorers in college then when signed by Jazz they were averaging low points a shit ton of assists and getting more steals put Stock on another team Malone wouldn't be number 2 in scoring and John would at least be top 7 in scoring John was a system player plus i was alive you watch them play so most the stuff Rusty said i already knew the boring game style is why i never really watched Jazz also i didnt say IT could make any team a 50 win team cause i clearly said the whole team was pure defenders or elite 2 ways being led by IT and DumarsCP3 had a great team in LA and Houston but was to injury prone and never made it far
Ray Burks Stockton was a system player to a degree but he’d still be good anywhere. He had enough of the mark price/Steve Nash archetype in his game where he’d likely be 17/8 for his career with high steals and efficiency a bit lower. Two points: Carlos boozer/deron Williams played the same role in the late 2000’s and put up similar numbers to Malone/Stockton but not quite. I’d say the difference was due to Malone/Stockton’s talent. Second point: in the 1997 western conference finals when the jazz appeared dead in the water, Stockton scores like 17 points in the 4th including the game winner to send them to the finals. He could score, but that wasn’t his role in general. 13 points on .515 shooting to me me is better than say IT averaging 19pts on .456. It’s just a matter of preference I suppose.
@@swpdisciple Stockton was a scorer turned passer by the Jazz any other team he'd average over 20 points he was a great scorer but he could never show case it in Utah due to the gameplan which was John gets the ball pass to Malone and he scores that shiz only the Utah coach at the time did if I'm correct he got fired i don't remember cause i don't follow the Jazz but if John was put on a team like Lakers or Celtics he would've been ur utilized as a scorer like in college
Bruh you had Jerry west over Steph Curry 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Jerry West played a whole career of great play. Curry only has been dominant for 5 seasons
its debatable curry will most likely be over him by the end of his career
Hermitcraft 7 currys 5 seasons are better than jerry west’s entire career
J0EY Hz You’re high asf
AARON MADE THAT he’s right tho
How is kyrie irving not a top 10 all time pg if you put guys like westbrook and cp3 you need to put kyrie up there too he also has a ring which both of them dont have
Honestly I don't think Westbrook deserves to be there as a top 10 Point Guard especially over John Stockton...
im cool with westbrook but i do agree stockton should be higher
Nah, he should be higher.
My opinion this list is bias on some stats and “playoff importance” as you don’t look at how good all around player or defends player is, as I’m not gonna say this is terrible but there is a lot of bias on what do you call someone better, is player better due efficiency and consistent play on both side or awards with championship and high point scoring with high stats.
Ofc it's biased. That's what an opinion is.
This list is terrible !
frl. he didnt put jason williams on here when he fathered kidd and nash. look at his highlights and you’ll see that he was literally, best passer in nba history
B.A.L. Yeah but highly inefficient and turned the ball over a lot and played zero defense.
Jerry west is not better than Curry stop, my man lost how many times? And Curry led a team to a chip. Stop fix this list, Curry is 2nd.
The disrespect to Stockton smh
Ronaldinho10, i agree. Poor guy. m.ua-cam.com/video/8C9mM9jFKbE/v-deo.html
@@theknickfan881 stop self promoting dumbass.
Seriously I went straight to comments after this blasphemy lol
Crazy
Shouldve been 11
West over Curry?!?!
Curry should differently be 2nd. I think he might be trolling Flight
@NOLAY AUSTIN AI is a shooting gurd
@NOLAY AUSTIN Jerry West played only 3-4 seasons of SG, all the rest we're PG
West Carried Lakers to Game 7 with 44 points triple double while curry choked and blew 3-1 lead
@Jarell Draughn battling with the Prime Celtics and Knicks is harder than fighting 1 man team Cavs yet still blew a 3-1 lead
Clyde Frazier the consummate floor general should always be mentioned in top point guard lists.
The fact that Bob Cousy isn’t on this list considering his accomplishments (MVP, 13 time all star, 6 TIME CHAMPION) and his incredible impact on the game of basketball (revolutionized the PG position, first modern style of play, first volume scoring point guard) is outrageous but otherwise it’s a good list LOW keep it up
Goose on the Loose where will he be if this was your list because I don’t think he is better than anybody on this list
Yeah but it’s hard to include him because unlike a lot of their nba legends, you can’t see a scenario where Bob Cousy could thrive in the NBA past the year 1980, let alone make the league.
Joseph TalksBaLL he would be my 10 over Stockton and I might make an argument to put him at 9 over Westbrook as well but that’s debatable to me
Ashanti Nyongo that’s a fair point but this isn’t listing the ten most athletic or most purely talented PGs of all time I don’t think it’s a list of the best NBA PGs in NBA history
Goose on the Loose bro have u seen film of him? I cannot take anyone serious that thinks someone dribbling on their knees could be anywhere top 10
1. Magic
2. Steph
3. Isiah
4. Oscar
5. Nash
6. Paul
7. Russ
8. Stockton
9. Kidd
10. GP
I have CP3 over Nash and Oscar over Thomas but yeah nice list
where's kidd
FTC FlightTeamStandUp 9th
@@dalton7726 my bad didn't see
The Russell Westbrook placement shook me. But when I thought about it I couldn't think of any real reason for him to not be up there, or really anyone to go over him. I don't know why but that's just kinda crazy to me
He steals rebounds, gets mad assists because the defense focuses on him more than they should? he cant shoot volume at a high clip from outside and he lives at the rim. Hes devastating on the drive like we have never seen and his ability to finish at the rim is crazy. but hes been stat hunting on teams to pad it out.He's not a PG IMO. hes a scoring guard that can make plays secondary. He can average 10 assists for his whole career and never get close to the record. I like to separate the scoring PGs and the facilitators.
@@epictnt russ is a different breed
Blatant disrespect to D Rose 2:44
“Never been seen at the point guard position”
It's TRUE russ is different animal compared to russ theres no quit in russ 1000 mph on 365 days a yr d rose athleticism was not out of control like russ
Jason Kidd was so versatile. If you wanted him to get his coach fired, he could do it. If you wanted him to get a DUI, he could do it. Hell if you wanted him to assault his wife, he can even do that.
1. Magic Johnson
2. Stephen Curry
3. Oscar Robertson
4. Isiah Thomas
5. Walt Frazier
6. Tony Parker
7. Gary Payton
8. Kyrie Irving
(19 rings total between them)
9. John Stockton
10. Chris Paul
11. Russell Westbrook
12. Jason Kidd
13. Steve Nash
14. Damian Lillard
15. Derrick Rose
(1 Ring total between them, and that was Jason Kidd as a role player with Dallas)
My prediction is he’ll have Stockton in the list but he will say nothing positive
No he did
King Khai Swazzy i said it’s a prediction
@@minocah1919 I know I was jus lettin you know
Stockton at 10? I’d put him at 4 or 5
Then you don't know basketball sorry guy he was better in college than NBA cause at least he was scoring a lot not jus being passive
Ray Burks he’s a point guard his job is to set up his team but I agree that if he scored more in the NBA he’d be higher
@@campusportal9718 a pg job is to be a playmaker not jus pass playmakers set up plays for themselves and the team a great example is curry he was a scorer in college the Jazz system is what made him a passer any other team he would've average 23+ due to his durability and scoring abilty he had but never used in Utah
Ray Burks bruh you stupid point guards don’t always need to score they make plays for their team meaning if he had to pass he passes. All you guys just care about the ppg. Its like you’re saying that point guards must have atleast 20ppg just to be in the top 10. Its like saying stockton nash kidd who are all pass first should not be in the top 10
@@gaarou8231 are you stupid or jus dumb? Did you read a single thing i said or jus comment? Playmakers don't jus pass they set up plays for themselves and the team i said this they mix scoring and passing like i said a perfect example is Curry Magic and CP3 if you only pass you're not a playmaker you're jus Rondo
positions a lil sketchy but the names seem accurate low-key disappoint rondo not on here but then again who would you take off
Me: **sees top ten point guards vid, looks interesting**
LOW: **puts John Stockton at number 10**
😐😐😐😐😐😐
Becomes more interesting.
Hes overrated watch more basketball you probably think hes top 3 hes not casuals think Stockton is so great he is but compared to steph hes not as good
Bruh Man I was literally thinking the same thing.
she want me stop it, arguably the greatest floor general ever, all time leader in steals and assists. And he’s one of the most underrated clutch shooters.
@@kanyecrazy7440 the assist are easy he gets it to karl and he can get 10 assist from that hes overrated put steph curry on that team with karl malone they would have won in 6
1 Magic
2 Steph
3 It
4 kidd
5 Stock
6 GP
7 Nash
8 Oscar
9 Walt Frazier
10 CP3
11 Westbrook
12 Billups
13 Cousy
14 Tony Parker
15 Kyrie
W but stockton over kidd i believe
gp at 6 is way too high lmao
Jerry West??
TheWolvesDen Oscar at 8 is ludacris
PipeBestX Jerry West is a 2
5:57 Nash had 4 seasons, not 2 of 50-40-90
West a little too high. Stockton way too low.
Eh maybe
That's because LOW values impact on the game, and winning the most
How is jerry west too high, averaged 30 a game multiple times and won finals mvp while his team lost
Jaden Holmes Cp3 a bit too high also due to his lack of post season success
Jaden Holmes isn’t jerry west a shooting guard
Man people love Stockton.
Stockton was great but people over glorify him.
Stockton had longevity but his peak was not very high.
In all those years he only made 2x 1st team all-nba teams?
In all those years he didn't make one 1st team all-defense?
In all those years he was never a serious MVP candidate? (never finished top 6 in MVP voting)
You’re forgetting the
21.8 PER
.209 WS/48 despite a 18.9 USG% (ridiculous)
6.8 Box Plus Minus 😨
106.5 Value Over Replacement 😂
And a 60.8% TS, his peak was 17 & 14...which is a maximum of contributing to 59 Points...
Why is oscar robertson so highly rated if hes only known for averaging a triple double, but westbrook doesnt get the same treatment?
i think you may be a little high on russ. of course, his amazing hustle and rebounding on top of very good playmaking and passing speak for himself, even though you have to mention stat padding.
but that point aside, his weaknesses are obvious and blatant: he tourns the ball over like none other, has throughout most of his career had poor descision making and is ridiculously inefficient. paired with his lack of post-season success relative to his expectations, i dont think he is any better than a guy like gary payton
Russ is a different breed we have never seen a player like nor I dont we will . His unique
It’s a pretty good list but maybe Tony Parker should be here for example instead of Westbrook no? I mean Westbrook is really good but he just has flashy stats and a good athleticism while Parker is a 4x NBA champion and a finals MVP...
Merlin Lipin if you’re really focusing on careers yes he is but Westbrook is a better player simple he would be top 5 due to his skill but no success in the post season
If you're gonna build a team around those two you won't even choose TP.
if anybody was replacing westbrook which i would'nt it would not be parker
@@blomberg1056 no he’s not
@@deseanmccullough6438 it would
wrong. when we look at all time we don't look at how long they can play in a elite year but the impact on the best year
Ok, let's all be honest here, LOW is 100% correct about john Stockton being number 10. Seriously, the only real reason why people overrate him so much is because of his records.
Goddammit Nappa His list is terrible. How is Westbrook top 10 over Gary Payton & Walt Frazier? And Chris Paul is too high... Isiah shouldn’t be ahead of Oscar 😂😂😂
Yeah no it’s not about over rating it’s about being better than the other people on the list
My list:
Magic
Curry
Thomas
Cp3
West
Nash
Kidd
Oscar
Westbrook
Parker
That’s fair. I’d say Stockton over Parker but it’s debatable.
CP3 is not and never was better than Kidd, Nash, Stockton. CP3 is a toxic diva loser choker. He and Westboob should not be in the Top 10.
77 when was CP3 ever toxic, a diva, or a choker? If you wanted to say that his injuries could be considered choking then I guess that’s fair, but I think that’s more so being injury prone. He has shown that he isn’t toxic or a diva by being drama free and leading the OKC Thunder to the playoffs.
hey, can you tell me if you forgot that jason williams fathered nash and kidd? but you put them.. oh my
QuezVsTheWorld Parker over Stockton you need help man . Severe help
Real question was Jerry west a point guard? I'm seriously asking because there's a lot of lists showing him as a shooting guard
How do you put Stockton at 10? He’s clearly at worst a top 5 point guard of all time
Kai Regelean facts, this list is stupid very stupid
Um not really he has no MVPs rings or anything else much rather have CP3 Nash Kidd magic and curry no order over Stockton
I would also have Oscar IT Rose
I respect your opinion, but I think John Stockton is way too low. To me he is top 5 no doubt and I would go as far to call him top 3. Westbrook is my favorite player, but Russ has no business being above Stockton. I’ve always felt like Nash and Kidd were similar to John Stockton, but always missed something that he had. For Nash it was defense and Kidd it was scoring efficiency.
Stockton had longevity going for him.
Stockton's peak was never that high.
Only made two 1st team all-nba teams even though he was healthy basically for his whole career, never made 1st team all-defense & was never seriously considered as an MVP candidate.
Dean simmons I understand the pick of Stock at 10, but I also don;t know why all nba 2nd teams are a demerit all things considered. I understand placement, but using that to knock doesn’t make sense. I think the MVP element here is the stronger more compelling case.
Kidd wasn't that efficient because unlike Stockton he created his own shots. He was a walking triple-double, he played better defense and he carried a Netw team that previously missed the playoffs to back-to-back finals. Kidd>Stockton
John Stockton: All time assist leader, all time steal leader, 55/4800 NBA players in points all time, two finals appearances, played 19 seaons (Lebron has played 20 seasons so far) and never missed the playoffs, five western conference finals appearances, selected to play on the dream team. So just think about that... There's around 4800 NBA players all time, Stockton is 55th in points, 1st in steals, and 1st in assists. That's legend shit.
Steph Curry is 2nd no cap
Da Gov fax
5. Flight when he reacts
4. Flight without a shirt
3. Flight when high
2. Flight in June
1. Steph Curry
0. Flight, but camera weren't on
I think that Westbrook definitely deserves to be ahead of 3 people in front of him. He’s better the kidd better then Nash and better than west(due to era)
JERRY WEST OVER STEPH CURRY?!?!? We have to do better🤦♂️
He’s changed his mind.
Jerry West is the logo. I agree that one or two more great years then he moves ahead of West. Also, while Westbrooks stats are great U think they are a bit misleading. While the triple doubleshot are impressive, his field percentage is pretty low and he averages over 5 turnovers per game.
@@lanceyamashitastop10lists48 1-8 in the nba finals
@@BravestOfTheBrave the losses were to the Celtics, a stacked deck. No free agency in that era, so it was vs. Bill Russell, Casey Jones, Bob Cousy, John Havlicek, etc. year after year.
Ikr
Otherwise, this was a good list! I'm glad you gave Isaiah Thomas the respect he deserves! My top 5 point guards is Magic, Curry, Thomas, Robertson, Stockton. Jerry West is a shooting guard.
PG is a deep position historically - one might easily make a case for Bob Cousy, Walt Frazier, Tiny Archibald, Dennis Johnson, Gary Payton, & Dame Lilliard. I think Stockton is inarguably top 5 and also Jerry West wasn't a PG. But I enjoyed your explanations and video.
Dame has done absolutely nothing
@@KingCjwc And Westbrook has? I love Dame, but I agree putting him anywhere close to top 10 is crazy. But he is better than Westbrook if you actually want a good PG and not just stat padder
@@nbassasin8092
Russell Westbrook's resume:
NBA Most Valuable Player (2017)
9× NBA All-Star (2011-2013, 2015-2020)
2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2015, 2016)
2× All-NBA First Team (2016, 2017)
5× All-NBA Second Team (2011-2013, 2015, 2018)
2× All-NBA Third Team (2019, 2020)
2× NBA scoring champion (2015, 2017)
3× NBA assists leader (2018, 2019, 2021)
Lillard has done nothing that suggests that he should be placed higher than Westbrook all time beside clutch shots
@@Bashir_Ali how about carrying the team to deep playoff runs almost every year with almost no actually consistent help from anyone
Russells depest run was when he was number 2 to one of the scariest offensive players of all time
Look at Curry man, such a legend man. So inspirational man.
It's not funny
The Stockton comments are killing me. U could swap him wit Westbrook but he still should be no higher. He never led his own team unlike everyone ranked above him. And tbh if he never played wit Malone would he be all time in ast?
Cammy this list is based off of what happened not hypotheticals. But yeah I think he’s good at 10
Brandon yea his defensive numbers and jus how good he was on both sides of the court.... he should be higher
Stockton has better statistics than pretty much everyone on here. He’s a true point guard, he was consistently an All-League & All-Defense favorite each season. If you team him up with multiple All-Stars like the guys ahead of him (Wilt, Kareem, Worthy, KD, Thompson, etc) he’s winning 2-3 rings easily.
Brandon
Westbrook takes more shots...that’s it. And his teammates let him get rebounds.
Pooh Rose nah it's way too low he is top five at the very least
You make good arguments but I think you underrating John Stockton. Westbrook's negatives alone move Stockton up.
Dude to not put Gary Payton on this list but put a lot of these other you had to been born in 2005 or up gp was a 🐐
Massive respect from putting Jerry West at #2 go watch that 1969 playoffs and he was clearly the best player on the court, and that court had Wilt, Russell, Baylor, and more.
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My list will be as far as my knowledge is concern (no google, just an nba fan since the 90's)
1. Magic- no doubt for now
2. Steph- greatest shooter ever + game changer when on the floor
3. West- logo for a reason
4. Big-O- pioneer all-around pg
5. Isiah- led bad boys b2b champs, could've been 3peat
6. Stockton- 2 unbeatable records, consistently great behind malone
7. Nash- 2x time mvp, culture changer
8. Kidd- Great all-around pg, led not so talented nets to b2b finals, epic freethrow kiss
9. Paul- arguably the best and only True point God in today's nba and that's madaf*king impressive, elite defense for a small PG
10. Westbrook- A+ speed, A+ power, inhuman athleticism
Honorable mention
Dame- ultra clutch and great leader
Drose- my favorite pg of all time, could've best if not for injuiries
Payton- best pg defender of all time
Damn stockton is underrated af
Not a bad list, though in my opinion i have two main issues:
1) Ranking Jason Kidd over John Stockton: Stockton and Kidd I see as mirrors of each other. They are both extremely intelligent pass-first point guards, virtually identical in every way except that Stockton leads Kidd in all time in total assists, total steals, shooting percentage, 3 point percentage, FT percentage, total points etc. (And seeing as they both had similar longevity, I can use total stats in this case as a fair comparator. Stockton also generally performed better in the play offs and really only loses to Kidd in terms of rebounding and having won one NBA championship.
2) You do not even have AI as an honorable mention in either your PG or SG lists.....where....is....Allen Iverson? His impact on the league is undeniable and he has probably one of the best 10 year stretches that any guard his size has ever had in the nba, bar none.
Jerry West over Steph wtf 😂💀
Curry sucks at defense and all he can do is shoot not a good passer, Jerry West was way better
Rennis Dodman You don’t win a unanimous mvp by just shooting
@@austingrams You do if you have one of the most stacked teams ever
Why did u say "almost all of his career with Utah" with Stockton when he never left?? And Nash had 4 seasons of 50-40-90 lol damn u getting stuff wrong left and right bro
As in his "almost 2 decade career" because he only played for 19 seasons
I believe he meant "all of his almost 20year career" not 'almost all of his career'
@@GChan-eg2jb nah he said "almost all of his 2 decade career"
He had two things wrong and they don't even impact the list that much
@@ayushbajaj4708 yeah well it's a trash list anyway lmao but u right
is it just me or do i not see ai in any top pg list?
Westbrook being in the top 10 actually made me laugh, i'm not gonna lie
For his career he has to be up there somewhere in the top 10
How is Stockton that low when he is the all time leader in steals and assists?
Con Kov he has those numbers simply because he played for what 20 years or so
@@camm1103 So we're punishing longevity now? It's not his fault he's durable. And yes, I know that's not the only reason he's #10
@@andreingramakadjscrewrip7372 its more about the lack of his playoff success despite being so durable and having an all time great next to him
Andre Ingram aka DJ Screw RIP I’m not punishing him for that. I’m jus saying that basing his rank solely because he’s an all time leader which is attributed to the fact that he played for so long isn’t fair to all the other point guards
@@andreingramakadjscrewrip7372 were not punishing it were just valung it less then better seasons
Where is ALLEN IVERSON!?!?!?!? Hes over Westbrook, and Jason Kidd at the very least
Where's John Wall
not top 10
John's Voices Fanpage not top 20
Vurhdex not top 30
Bruh, no. m.ua-cam.com/video/8C9mM9jFKbE/v-deo.html
Caleb_ _MTZ name 30 points guards better than John wall, I’ll wait