With my GoldenEar BRX speakers, I prefer them pointing 2 feet away from the sides of my ears. My center speaker is a 3rd GoldenEar BRX for matching LCR. I have a 150in 11 foot wide screen with my L+R speakers at 12 feet apart, I sit 14 feet away from the screen. --- soure=Apple Music lossless quality.
@@KING_DRANZER It's quality versus quantity. For sound quality, you’re better off with fewer higher quality speakers than more than 7.1.4 mediocre speakers. 75% of movie soundtracks come out of the LCR. For 2 channels music, it just plays through the 2 speakers so I'd get the best LCR for quality sound. And get a lossless streaming source like Apple Music, not compressed Spotify.
The front speakers at 30 degrees from center. This is the benchmark and its even mentioned in dolby guidelines. It doesnt matter if its inside or outside of the scren. Its dependant on your listening position distsnce that determines placement.
I have a flat panel in my theater, and I have the front mains spread pretty wide compared to my screen. They are about a foot or so wider than the screen (on each side, so 2 feet total). However, I also use my system for 2-channel music listening, so I've made that compromise for the music. For the most part I don't notice any imaging artifacts. With most things designed to image on screen, the center seems to take up most of the audio and pulls it toward the center. The Left or Right main speaker will be used to pull the object to the proper position. I find this works well, even with smaller flat panels. There was a scene on the AppleTV+ show Foundation where a group of people were eating at a long table, and they used audio objects to represent where the people were at their position at the table. Whenever someone spoke, the audio came out at that position. Despite my mains being wider than the screen itself, the imaging was pretty dead on. I assume this is due to a psychoacoustical effect where we can see whats happening on screen and our brains will help compensate for any anomalies. Thus, even though the imaging may not have been perfect, my brain aligned the audio of who was speaking with the image on the screen, because it was close enough.
Same positioning here. Works for me. In fact, while listening to 2 channel music I often look at my center channel amp to see if it is off because the center image is so tight it sounds like it is coming directly from the center speaker. Spooky!
I remember last time Jon talk about this and he said except front wide and front height,those speakers are so far away from mlp,that have to toe in or its going to sound off ,but for like LCR or surrounds or rear speakers,we're not that off axis,and I forgot who said this,speakers curve is more smoother a little bit off-axis.
I only have a 2.1 setup so can't speak to how it may change with having surrounds, but I like to have my speakers pretty much as wide as I can get away with while still having a coherent centre image, especially for music, I just personally find it much more immersive, like you're 'in' the sound, rather than it being in front of you. Kinda like headphones except with much more depth. That usually ends up being about 35 degrees (from viewer to speaker) IME. 45 degrees total is the Dolby minimum of 22 degrees per speaker which is just too little seperation if you ask me. The 30 degrees equilateral triangle is the rule of thumb and what most content is mixed on.
I have 85 inch TV and my LR towers are 10ft apart toed in (14 ft wall) which is just a little less than 45 degrees. My front subs are inside of LR spaced at 1/3 from wall.
2:20. You said when objects should be on the screen, they sound off the screen when speakers are not behind your screen. That's true, but sometimes objects are supposed to sound off the screen, right or left. With speakers behind the screen that effect is ruined. It's a compromise. It's good and bad both ways. Neither is perfect.
That’s why there are wide and surround channels. That’s how it works at the commercial theaters and ideally should be the same at home. The compromise is with non perforated screens and TV’s.
@@therealshanelee When you don't have the space, or maybe the budget, for wides you have to choose, behind the screen or outside the screen. Not an easy choice. I guess it depends on the kinds of movies you watch the most.
Digital Don is correct 4 A/V room in my house 1 is a Polk Reference SDA wich you don't Toe and goes flat against the wall also the Larsen 9 does the same but hay!!! in home theater mode the processor can clean that up
Do you live in Connecticut, because In some of your videos you have gone to theaters in Connecticut? If you do live in Connecticut then we live in the same state which is cool.
IMO if the front two channels are set up for music - it will sound good for HT. but if the front speakers are setup for HT it is not necessarily sound good for music as the phatom centre may not be good in a HT setup. Generally HT left and right speakers are too close to boundaries.
There is no magic number. Too many variables. Listen to your ears. Remember, your own ears are subjective too. Mine are at 25 degrees down for my 4 heights and 10 degrees in for my L and R and rears. Works for me.
Exactly, I have encountered rooms where speakers placed in the ideal Dolby positions from listening position meant the speakers did not perform well due to nulls . Moving the speaker out to wider a location sounded and measured much more even in room.
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With my GoldenEar BRX speakers, I prefer them pointing 2 feet away from the sides of my ears. My center speaker is a 3rd GoldenEar BRX for matching LCR.
I have a 150in 11 foot wide screen with my L+R speakers at 12 feet apart, I sit 14 feet away from the screen.
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@@therealshanelee hi , can you please review the Yamaha NS555 speakers? Many thanks
Would like to hear what you guys would do with high channel count rooms like 20 bed layer speakers where there are not only 3 Front channels but 5.
@@KING_DRANZER It's quality versus quantity. For sound quality, you’re better off with fewer higher quality speakers than more than 7.1.4 mediocre speakers.
75% of movie soundtracks come out of the LCR.
For 2 channels music, it just plays through the 2 speakers so I'd get the best LCR for quality sound. And get a lossless streaming source like Apple Music, not compressed Spotify.
@@mrpmj00 Nah Large rooms more number of channels actually work and make sense.
The front speakers at 30 degrees from center.
This is the benchmark and its even mentioned in dolby guidelines.
It doesnt matter if its inside or outside of the scren. Its dependant on your listening position distsnce that determines placement.
I have a flat panel in my theater, and I have the front mains spread pretty wide compared to my screen. They are about a foot or so wider than the screen (on each side, so 2 feet total). However, I also use my system for 2-channel music listening, so I've made that compromise for the music.
For the most part I don't notice any imaging artifacts. With most things designed to image on screen, the center seems to take up most of the audio and pulls it toward the center. The Left or Right main speaker will be used to pull the object to the proper position. I find this works well, even with smaller flat panels. There was a scene on the AppleTV+ show Foundation where a group of people were eating at a long table, and they used audio objects to represent where the people were at their position at the table. Whenever someone spoke, the audio came out at that position. Despite my mains being wider than the screen itself, the imaging was pretty dead on. I assume this is due to a psychoacoustical effect where we can see whats happening on screen and our brains will help compensate for any anomalies. Thus, even though the imaging may not have been perfect, my brain aligned the audio of who was speaking with the image on the screen, because it was close enough.
Try it at the beginning of Gravity. There's hard left and right dialog with Clooney and Sandra.
@@therealshanelee I've been meaning to grab the re-release with the Atmos soundtrack and give it a go. Use it as a test track for my height imaging.
Same positioning here. Works for me. In fact, while listening to 2 channel music I often look at my center channel amp to see if it is off because the center image is so tight it sounds like it is coming directly from the center speaker. Spooky!
Very good DAN...
I remember last time Jon talk about this and he said except front wide and front height,those speakers are so far away from mlp,that have to toe in or its going to sound off ,but for like LCR or surrounds or rear speakers,we're not that off axis,and I forgot who said this,speakers curve is more smoother a little bit off-axis.
I put it in 2 channel. And start towing in till I get that perfect phantom sound … use your ears 👂 ppl So simple of a answer
IIRC, "45 degrees" is/should be the viewing angle at ref. seat. According to Dolby. And in the theater, not at home. :)
I only have a 2.1 setup so can't speak to how it may change with having surrounds, but I like to have my speakers pretty much as wide as I can get away with while still having a coherent centre image, especially for music, I just personally find it much more immersive, like you're 'in' the sound, rather than it being in front of you. Kinda like headphones except with much more depth.
That usually ends up being about 35 degrees (from viewer to speaker) IME.
45 degrees total is the Dolby minimum of 22 degrees per speaker which is just too little seperation if you ask me. The 30 degrees equilateral triangle is the rule of thumb and what most content is mixed on.
All depends on the speaker its directivity and frequency response.
I have 85 inch TV and my LR towers are 10ft apart toed in (14 ft wall) which is just a little less than 45 degrees. My front subs are inside of LR spaced at 1/3 from wall.
2:20. You said when objects should be on the screen, they sound off the screen when speakers are not behind your screen. That's true, but sometimes objects are supposed to sound off the screen, right or left. With speakers behind the screen that effect is ruined. It's a compromise. It's good and bad both ways. Neither is perfect.
That’s why there are wide and surround channels. That’s how it works at the commercial theaters and ideally should be the same at home. The compromise is with non perforated screens and TV’s.
@@therealshanelee When you don't have the space, or maybe the budget, for wides you have to choose, behind the screen or outside the screen. Not an easy choice. I guess it depends on the kinds of movies you watch the most.
Digital Don is correct 4 A/V room in my house 1 is a Polk Reference SDA wich you don't Toe and goes flat against the wall also the Larsen 9 does the same but hay!!! in home theater mode the processor can clean that up
I would resort to speakers that have the flattest response at 30 degrees and wide dispersion for a dedicated theater. Thats just me.
Do you live in Connecticut, because In some of your videos you have gone to theaters in Connecticut? If you do live in Connecticut then we live in the same state which is cool.
IMO if the front two channels are set up for music - it will sound good for HT. but if the front speakers are setup for HT it is not necessarily sound good for music as the phatom centre may not be good in a HT setup. Generally HT left and right speakers are too close to boundaries.
For science!
Wow, Don lost weight and looks fantastic! Please tell me he's healthy. Well groomed 🧔 even. Or is it the glasses?
I dunno bra cuz I'm usin' old skol bi-polar speakers frm mirage of canada..Peace!
Not as much sound comes out of the front left & right speakers
I just point mine to my listening position
Mine are hanging on the wall, no way to angle, doesn’t seem to matter much at 11 feet.
There is no magic number. Too many variables. Listen to your ears. Remember, your own ears are subjective too. Mine are at 25 degrees down for my 4 heights and 10 degrees in for my L and R and rears. Works for me.
Exactly, I have encountered rooms where speakers placed in the ideal Dolby positions from listening position meant the speakers did not perform well due to nulls . Moving the speaker out to wider a location sounded and measured much more even in room.
30 degrees.