You can say that the "primary cause of them losing the war is..." if you make a good argument with evidence. Just don't say only or just when dealing with such a complex subject like WWII.
A lot of these comments are really old, making it hard to remember all the context now and be interested in the rebuttals. These would be a LOT more interesting if Thorin was rebutting recent comments instead of stuff from months ago, even if that means they need to be shorter or come out more frequently.
only western team that comes out and say they got shit on when they lost is C9. Any member is asked why they lost, the answer is always the same: we got shit on. they were better, we got outplayed
Hey Thorin The chance of you reading this is probably very slim, but I'll take my chances anyway. First of all, I'd like to say that I love your work, keep going. You and Monte are my favourite LoL analysts. I really liked this episode as well, and I think you're on point nearly anytime. I do have one thing I want to point out that I think it seems like you've missed a bit of nuance (maybe you missed it, or maybe you just didn't include it) in regards to Fnatic and western teams against Koreans. You had a point about westerners giving excuses about how the western teams always fail to play to their full potential and always tilting/falling short. I do give you that this is a kind of ridiculous thing to say, but that it still does hold some merit. Let me explain. My take on what makes the top Korean teams better than anybody else is their consistency. Many of the Korean and Chinese teams all have great players and do amazing things, but when it comes down to it, there is always these couple of Korean teams who, while not playing better than the other teams when the other teams are doing their best, but instead consistently play on this high level. Many Chinese teams have great team synergy which makes them able to pull off these incredible plays, but often times they fall short because they are more chaotic since their strategy is more flawed compared to the great Korean team. They can still pull it off sometimes, simply because they execute the plays so well, but when playing against the great Korean team, they fall short in the long run. I feel like the top western teams are kind off a less talented version of this chaotic Chinese "style" in the way that they still have some great players who can perform at at top level, but their overall team is more flawed than the Koreans. This means that they have great potential, granted less than the top Korean team, but unlike the Korean teams, they rarely play at this high level. They have more ups and downs and the downs often comes when they play at the big stage against these great Koreans, who pick apart the western teams because they are so incredible at finding the flaws. This was in many ways my interpretation of the KOO vs Fnatic game.Fnatic played really well, and did many great plays, but they made these small mistakes by overcommitting, trying to bite the whole hand instead of taking the small leads they could've taken. I remember in particular one of the games where KOO played incredibly passively. All they did all game was reacting to what Fnatic did. This turned out to be an incredibly strong strategy, since they could be "lazy" and simply let Fnatic make mistakes and then quickly strike back when this happened. Kind of like how a snake kills its pray. After the game I felt let down, because I felt that Fnatic should've been able to beat KOO because I felt KOO didn't do much (they didn't, they just did few but great plays) and that Fnatic should've won and that they would have if they had not made those overcommitments. Mind you, I had taken a break from LoL eSports, so I thought this was simply how I thought KOO always played. If that was the case, then I would've been right in my analysis, which goes along the lines of KOO being bodied by SKT because Fnatic had much the same style as SKT with the fast plays and doing all these great plays, just Fnatic being a more flawed version of SKT's style. As it turned out, I was completely wrong. Not in my prediction that SKT would win, but in how they would do it. KOO was (to me) incredibly aggressive and thus a completely different animal than what I saw in the game against Fnatic. After the finals, I rewatched the KOO vs Fnatic, and I striked me that KOO wasn't playing passive because it was their style, but because it was their strategy to beat Fnatic. It all clicked for me, and I "saw the light" of why Monte is so impressed by Korean LoL. This turned out in a completely different way than what I expected, with much more background to why I have the views I have ending up in the centre of the comment, so I feel like I should make a small concise point here at the end. What I mean about Fnatic and many top western teams, is that they do have a lot of potential. In the best case scenario, they can beat the Koreans. The chances are just incredibly slim, since they are way too inconsistent. To me, this is what keeps the western teams at the level below the Korean, and this is exactly why the western teams always fail at the top tournaments, like Worlds and MSI. EDIT: If you do read it, it would be fantastic and make my day if you would give me a response to this, how you view this and why I may be right/wrong. I don't feel very strongly about this, since I feel like my knowledge on this subject is very limited and therefore it would be fantastic with feedback from an expert. Thanks!
+Dirty Poul well, take my downvote then. learn how to summarize things. you wasted an hour of your life and 10minutes of mine by repeating _"consistent"_ in different variations over and over and over again. yes we got it. not consistent. thx.
Yatsura2 If I summarised it, I would've spent even more time. I'm glad I wrote it, because it put my thoughts down on paper and I know have a better idea of what my thought on the matter is. I could make a summary, but it could just be a waste. Thanks for the downvote. I appreciate it.
In regards to the LCS, Riot just wanted control at the end of the day. Even though if LoL had kept the open circuit format it'd be skyrocketing above DotA 2/CSGO most likely, Riot wanted a system that they had 100% control over. Even the single non-Riot tournament series, IEM, is a massive joke because Riot severely limited what ESL is allowed to do and how many pro teams they're allowed to bring in from each region (they're limited to two per region afaik). There's a reason why all the other esports orgs jumped ship and got out of LoL esports, and that's because Riot wanted their hand in everything. It's even showing with OGN as Riot has been steadily eliminating things from the Korean scene that made it unique and awesome, and with the recent drama with Spotv, it looks like Riot was even making moves to forcibly push OGN out of LoL because they weren't sucking the dicks at Riot hard enough. Riot essentially created their own giant and overly-sheltering bubble around the LoL esports scene and at some point it's going to burst. I simply don't see how Riot's model is going to promote long-term health for LoL as an esport, as it's already shown to wear out pros faster than most other scenes due to how they format their scene + how they keep deliberately fucking up the balance of the game every 2-4 weeks because "OOOOOOH GOTTA ADAPT TO THE EVER-CHANGING META!" If anyone's going to kill the LoL esports scene it's Riot and only Riot at this point, and tbh I have a hard time seeing how they'll be able to keep it up when big names start dropping like flies after a certain point.
Sat through an hour and 44 minutes to hear "These things last a long time, unlike your life if you're lucky". Those final 6 words contained so much contempt that I felt compelled to risk a comment on UA-cam!
I'm sure this has been suggested countless times before, but could you display the posts visually with the posters name striked out? It makes it a lot easier to follow your point.
Thooorin We need more of Thorin vs. Reddit CS:GO. I've now run out of savage Thorin moments since watched all his videos and all the highlights from tournaments. It has gone so far as to where I'm watching LOL videos when I have never even watched a game of LOL. We, the people of youtube, need more content from Mr. Savage#1
Well, if this whole esports thing doesn't work out, Thorin, you could give stand up a shot. Just print out a page of reddit and bring it onto stage with you.
All this talk of the KOO Tigers at Worlds reminded me that Smeb and Gorilla weren't included on the Worlds Top 20 Players list. Funny how that turned out.
I like the video but I think it would be nice if the comments you respond to were in the description with a timestamp because I find some responses more interesting than others.
+Brendan Geormer mate there is something you need to understand. This is the internet, where your opinion doenst matter and what ever you like is shit.
As for the 2nd question... My favorite excuse by these "LCS Apologists" is that "Season 2 was so chaotic, amateurish, difficult to follow, disorganized..." This completely ignores the fact that this was still, relatively speaking, in the infancy of (LoL) E-Sports; It completely ignores that things would become drastically better and more professional over time, especially as a form of "natural selection" were to take place and eliminate problematic tendencies and people.
Good video Thorin, I disagree about the leagues though. I prefer the LCS personally to the old IEM / MLG tournament circuit as I find it easier to fit in around my life. I also think the stability a league brings is MASSIVE for e-sports as it brings in a regular salary to teams/players and a regular broadcast to sell to sponsors.
Oh fuck that LCS curve part reminds me of the west vs KR. Instead of The gap is closing! THE GAP is CLOSING!!! it is more like We are still growing! WE ARE STILL GROWING!!!
I'd like to actually here an argument for, let's say, Koo perhaps beating SKT in the finals. Instead, people are talking about how Western teams had a chance to even take a game off of these godlike teams, whereas if you were to talk about the chances of the finals people would still say "that's absurd".
stanley jayce is wayyyy scarier than his nidalee, it is banned far more often throughout the competition It's the era of hammer jayce E doing 200+20%hp+1.0bonus AD. Ultimately it is a compromise, but IMO, it is the shitter league which is GPL which prepared them for S2 Worlds. As much as you have discredit LCS-GPL league format in the earlier segment, i think TPA's run at GPL is somewhat an important contributing factor.
Well for the first point. the chinese stock market is healthier then the others. Its way higher in his figures then the Nesdaq or other exchanges. But when it drops a little, the whole market goes nuts. And i think that was the point he was thinking about.
People undervalue effect of crowd at live event. and forget that m5 vs tpa was played basiclly as a scrim because of internet issues at outside venue. TPA could of easily crumbled after losing 1st game on real stage with crowd and lights.. m5 historically had better performances on live events. Maybe just salty m5 fan but it should be noted.
These are the best Thorin videos. hell yes, its a good day
BTW guys that wasn't JFK talking in the beginning.
I know, I know, I was confused too. The acting game was on point.
People are saying it was Trump impression... cmon guys....
+ODIEkriss Shows the intelligence of the average fellow American...
+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas” where are you from?
+minihjalte He did say "Fellow"
minihjalte Chicago.
the germany analogy killed me xD
You can say that the "primary cause of them losing the war is..." if you make a good argument with evidence. Just don't say only or just when dealing with such a complex subject like WWII.
+CatnamedMittens „Michael Bialas“ yeah i know :D In germany we discuss ww2 from class 5 to class 12 every year in history class.
Danjin22 That must be awkward as fuck. I'd turn into a ostrich during class tbh.
Shame how Germany's Prussian roots died.
even though I despise league and don't watch it, I usually just watch these for the intros.
I don't know much about LoL but I just love him reking noobs.
+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas” you just into counter strike?
+Sparrowhawk As a competitive game yes. I do obviously play more than just CS in general.
A lot of these comments are really old, making it hard to remember all the context now and be interested in the rebuttals. These would be a LOT more interesting if Thorin was rebutting recent comments instead of stuff from months ago, even if that means they need to be shorter or come out more frequently.
Those alphadraft intros are so good lol
Alphadraft is the law of life... and those who look only to past or present scrilla are certain to miss out on future scrilla.
only western team that comes out and say they got shit on when they lost is C9. Any member is asked why they lost, the answer is always the same: we got shit on. they were better, we got outplayed
+Random Gaming eh you basicly said that c9 admit they got shit on, then you say that everyone else always use the same:"we got shit on"...
+Splankie ftw any member = Every member of c9
when thorin says deilor isn't a meme
FUNgineer No hook FUNgineer No food FUNgineer
DAMN THORIN... Back at it again with the Thorin vs Reddit.
Hey Thorin
The chance of you reading this is probably very slim, but I'll take my chances anyway.
First of all, I'd like to say that I love your work, keep going. You and Monte are my favourite LoL analysts. I really liked this episode as well, and I think you're on point nearly anytime. I do have one thing I want to point out that I think it seems like you've missed a bit of nuance (maybe you missed it, or maybe you just didn't include it) in regards to Fnatic and western teams against Koreans. You had a point about westerners giving excuses about how the western teams always fail to play to their full potential and always tilting/falling short. I do give you that this is a kind of ridiculous thing to say, but that it still does hold some merit. Let me explain.
My take on what makes the top Korean teams better than anybody else is their consistency. Many of the Korean and Chinese teams all have great players and do amazing things, but when it comes down to it, there is always these couple of Korean teams who, while not playing better than the other teams when the other teams are doing their best, but instead consistently play on this high level. Many Chinese teams have great team synergy which makes them able to pull off these incredible plays, but often times they fall short because they are more chaotic since their strategy is more flawed compared to the great Korean team. They can still pull it off sometimes, simply because they execute the plays so well, but when playing against the great Korean team, they fall short in the long run.
I feel like the top western teams are kind off a less talented version of this chaotic Chinese "style" in the way that they still have some great players who can perform at at top level, but their overall team is more flawed than the Koreans. This means that they have great potential, granted less than the top Korean team, but unlike the Korean teams, they rarely play at this high level. They have more ups and downs and the downs often comes when they play at the big stage against these great Koreans, who pick apart the western teams because they are so incredible at finding the flaws.
This was in many ways my interpretation of the KOO vs Fnatic game.Fnatic played really well, and did many great plays, but they made these small mistakes by overcommitting, trying to bite the whole hand instead of taking the small leads they could've taken. I remember in particular one of the games where KOO played incredibly passively. All they did all game was reacting to what Fnatic did. This turned out to be an incredibly strong strategy, since they could be "lazy" and simply let Fnatic make mistakes and then quickly strike back when this happened. Kind of like how a snake kills its pray. After the game I felt let down, because I felt that Fnatic should've been able to beat KOO because I felt KOO didn't do much (they didn't, they just did few but great plays) and that Fnatic should've won and that they would have if they had not made those overcommitments. Mind you, I had taken a break from LoL eSports, so I thought this was simply how I thought KOO always played. If that was the case, then I would've been right in my analysis, which goes along the lines of KOO being bodied by SKT because Fnatic had much the same style as SKT with the fast plays and doing all these great plays, just Fnatic being a more flawed version of SKT's style. As it turned out, I was completely wrong. Not in my prediction that SKT would win, but in how they would do it. KOO was (to me) incredibly aggressive and thus a completely different animal than what I saw in the game against Fnatic. After the finals, I rewatched the KOO vs Fnatic, and I striked me that KOO wasn't playing passive because it was their style, but because it was their strategy to beat Fnatic. It all clicked for me, and I "saw the light" of why Monte is so impressed by Korean LoL.
This turned out in a completely different way than what I expected, with much more background to why I have the views I have ending up in the centre of the comment, so I feel like I should make a small concise point here at the end. What I mean about Fnatic and many top western teams, is that they do have a lot of potential. In the best case scenario, they can beat the Koreans. The chances are just incredibly slim, since they are way too inconsistent. To me, this is what keeps the western teams at the level below the Korean, and this is exactly why the western teams always fail at the top tournaments, like Worlds and MSI.
EDIT: If you do read it, it would be fantastic and make my day if you would give me a response to this, how you view this and why I may be right/wrong. I don't feel very strongly about this, since I feel like my knowledge on this subject is very limited and therefore it would be fantastic with feedback from an expert. Thanks!
+Dirty Poul jesus dude get that novel published
Drew Wadhams It was just a minor thing I had on my mind. Judging by the upvotes it got, I was not alone, so I'm glad I did write it :)
+Dirty Poul
well, take my downvote then. learn how to summarize things. you wasted an hour of your life and 10minutes of mine by repeating _"consistent"_ in different variations over and over and over again. yes we got it. not consistent. thx.
Yatsura2 If I summarised it, I would've spent even more time. I'm glad I wrote it, because it put my thoughts down on paper and I know have a better idea of what my thought on the matter is. I could make a summary, but it could just be a waste.
Thanks for the downvote. I appreciate it.
2 HOURS OF THOOORINDRAFT? I AM IN!
1:17:50 lmao @ english teaching part
+Violentrl fking good hahhaha
Alphadraft will never stop sponsoring him.
love all his league videos. best background sound choice when playing league.
haha the whole teaching hot dog scenario had me busting up
That was so good.
liking this just for the alpha draft ad at the start well done thorin well done
1:17:50 best moment. I cannot stop laughing!! Also, the machine at the end that Thorin was most likely thinking about was a Rube Goldberg machine.
It would be great if you could say the date of the reddit post you were reading in the future. It would make it easier to listen.
Make Timestamps between every Post/rant
In regards to the LCS, Riot just wanted control at the end of the day. Even though if LoL had kept the open circuit format it'd be skyrocketing above DotA 2/CSGO most likely, Riot wanted a system that they had 100% control over. Even the single non-Riot tournament series, IEM, is a massive joke because Riot severely limited what ESL is allowed to do and how many pro teams they're allowed to bring in from each region (they're limited to two per region afaik). There's a reason why all the other esports orgs jumped ship and got out of LoL esports, and that's because Riot wanted their hand in everything. It's even showing with OGN as Riot has been steadily eliminating things from the Korean scene that made it unique and awesome, and with the recent drama with Spotv, it looks like Riot was even making moves to forcibly push OGN out of LoL because they weren't sucking the dicks at Riot hard enough.
Riot essentially created their own giant and overly-sheltering bubble around the LoL esports scene and at some point it's going to burst. I simply don't see how Riot's model is going to promote long-term health for LoL as an esport, as it's already shown to wear out pros faster than most other scenes due to how they format their scene + how they keep deliberately fucking up the balance of the game every 2-4 weeks because "OOOOOOH GOTTA ADAPT TO THE EVER-CHANGING META!"
If anyone's going to kill the LoL esports scene it's Riot and only Riot at this point, and tbh I have a hard time seeing how they'll be able to keep it up when big names start dropping like flies after a certain point.
Sat through an hour and 44 minutes to hear "These things last a long time, unlike your life if you're lucky". Those final 6 words contained so much contempt that I felt compelled to risk a comment on UA-cam!
The term you're looking for at 1:40:20 is Rube Goldberg Machine
I'm sure this has been suggested countless times before, but could you display the posts visually with the posters name striked out? It makes it a lot easier to follow your point.
1:25:37 is the best time stamp
Good only for memes
Thooorin We need more of Thorin vs. Reddit CS:GO. I've now run out of savage Thorin moments since watched all his videos and all the highlights from tournaments. It has gone so far as to where I'm watching LOL videos when I have never even watched a game of LOL. We, the people of youtube, need more content from Mr. Savage#1
hmmm
not a very long one eh
gettin old huh
love you thorin
"if a person like that existed, they'd be bragging everywhere like a fuckin vegan" never change Thorin, never change.
Please someone make Thooorin's Rube Goldberg machine. 1:40:12
Well, if this whole esports thing doesn't work out, Thorin, you could give stand up a shot. Just print out a page of reddit and bring it onto stage with you.
I watch videos of yours that I don't care about just for your alpha draft intros. I hope they compensate you really well.
God that intro pretty good. Nice work Thorin!
The fountain was absolutely brilliant. +1 for that point
All this talk of the KOO Tigers at Worlds reminded me that Smeb and Gorilla weren't included on the Worlds Top 20 Players list. Funny how that turned out.
the long awaited thorin vs reddit lol viedeo episode 5 pls more in a shorter period of time
Would you mind having a discussion with montecristo about the current Korean junglers. Specially covering peanut.
That outro was a golden quote TY based Thorin
Opening was O.K. 11/10
we trading war stories, outlawz on the rise.
omg the part where he mimics an English teacher to Korean kids... "...banana!"
rofl
@Thooorin why do you think that Riot implemented and keep to the LCS if international tournaments are clearly the best way to do esports?
"What LGD did to origen"
What?
Holy fck Thorin is on fire these past 2 days.
Fellow skrilla enthusiasts
I wanna hear Thorin's thoughts on the FPS drops we are seeing on NUKE.
After getting ass pounded by this alpha draft I might try it out your intros are working thorin keep them coming !!
''you think he would have left dyrus's bootyhole all nice and puckered shut with parfume coming out of it'' ROFL
Thorin agreed with someone. Is this the end of the world?
I couldn't handle the part with the quote in the title. FML.
Why is your house so cold
Heat is expensive plus be doesn't live there year-long.
+Matthew Blenkey less heat more skrilla
Best ending imaginable.
I like the video but I think it would be nice if the comments you respond to were in the description with a timestamp because I find some responses more interesting than others.
i know this is an esports channel but can you do more basketball videos?
you could stick to real competition like cs, sc, and b ball :>
next one for csgo please :) not that it's much of a difference
+ABabyKrogan He should try /r/iamverysmart/ some time, would make us eGamers look much better :>
+Zorkz Hey arn't you the fpl soundboard guy?
possibly ;)
lol that basketball analogy was what i was thinking
A By The Numbers (LoL) and Thorin vs Reddit (LoL) on the same day?! Amazing...
+Brendan Geormer by the numbers lol sucks tho
123 asd But I like it, and so for my opinion and joy, that's what matters
+Brendan Geormer mate there is something you need to understand. This is the internet, where your opinion doenst matter and what ever you like is shit.
+minihjalte Not necessarily.
+minihjalte mostly true, however, there is a comment section present and since it is, I might as well use it
Thorin watches game of thrones confirmed
Are maps of any importance in competitive LoL?
Only one map.
But what side you play on does make a somewhat big difference.
What do you think about the smurf situation?
He probably doesn't care
Great video, Thorin. Keep 'em coming.
the fountain sure was awesome
those machines are called "rube goldberg"
That's the word. I also forgot what it was called.
"I'm not into tantra, mate" lmao
the dyrus analogy LMFAOOOO
The British did not crack the Enigma code. It was cracked by the Polish.
Hotto-Dogu, filthyfrank reference? :D
As for the 2nd question... My favorite excuse by these "LCS Apologists" is that "Season 2 was so chaotic, amateurish, difficult to follow, disorganized..."
This completely ignores the fact that this was still, relatively speaking, in the infancy of (LoL) E-Sports; It completely ignores that things would become drastically better and more professional over time, especially as a form of "natural selection" were to take place and eliminate problematic tendencies and people.
for the sake of competetive integrity i want a rematch of the WW2
Nice. ;)
I'd want to see WWI tbh.
I dont know why but that intro made me think william dafoe 0_o
:( My team isn't making it to the Playoffs. RIP Renegades
+Ondraya relegades kappa
+dharma naik Nice mate
I miss battle of the Atlantic. Like why tf did they ever get rid of it . and the hotdog part killed me.
Riot doesn't know how to run a circuit.
Did FDR just tell me to gamble online?
Good video Thorin, I disagree about the leagues though. I prefer the LCS personally to the old IEM / MLG tournament circuit as I find it easier to fit in around my life. I also think the stability a league brings is MASSIVE for e-sports as it brings in a regular salary to teams/players and a regular broadcast to sell to sponsors.
Hottu Doggu
+Krzysiekoy Banana
58:30 wtf thooorin are you okay? m-muh skrilla
We need the beat to Takeover by Jay - Z everytime Thooorin goes in on these guys
+dv4manu or Hive by Earl Sweatshirt.
That bit on English teachers in Korea had me rolling on the floor xD 1:17:40
the germany analogy where Thorin says 'best of 3' Thorin mate it was best of three, us Brits 2-0'd them
Oh fuck that LCS curve part reminds me of the west vs KR. Instead of The gap is closing! THE GAP is CLOSING!!! it is more like We are still growing! WE ARE STILL GROWING!!!
What is this american president quote binge
Some of them were pretty wise.
kek value of the intro: top
I'd like to actually here an argument for, let's say, Koo perhaps beating SKT in the finals. Instead, people are talking about how Western teams had a chance to even take a game off of these godlike teams, whereas if you were to talk about the chances of the finals people would still say "that's absurd".
But western team excuses are real. As real as the fact that if I wasn't stuck in bronze I would've been better than Faker ;) Who doesn't believe me?
LCS feels like watching the NBA regular season.
+Jack Martin Never said it was bad, just that the games aren't as intense because they don't mean as much compared to the playoffs.
Thorin YOU MUST DO A CSGO ONE IN THE NEXT PHEW DAYS!!!!! Feed my entertainment needs. I honestly cannot fuckin wait for ep 6 (Csgo)
Come on Thooorin make another Thooorin vs Reddit for CS:GO.
I think there's also some stupid idea that Korean and Chinese teams don't tilt, so Western teams can use that factor on them and not Eastern teams.
im only here to watch alfa draft intro
Kennedy reference on point
VOTE THOOORIN INTO GAME OF THRONES!!!!
I remember S2 he is right. it was already huge, and then Riot just decided to cut out all the sponsors and do their own thing. ehh
yesssssssssssss woke up at the perfect time
+Jesse Pittman hahahahaha same here
You could sum up all those reddit comments to: _"people who commented on games they didnt watched"_ and thats it. Safed you 100minutes of your life.
stanley jayce is wayyyy scarier than his nidalee, it is banned far more often throughout the competition
It's the era of hammer jayce E doing 200+20%hp+1.0bonus AD.
Ultimately it is a compromise, but IMO, it is the shitter league which is GPL which prepared them for S2 Worlds.
As much as you have discredit LCS-GPL league format in the earlier segment, i think TPA's run at GPL is somewhat an important contributing factor.
never change
Thorin Defending Monte Criticism Episode 1
To be fair, Monte was unfairly criticized by morons.
I love how thorin thinks hes always right
Well for the first point. the chinese stock market is healthier then the others. Its way higher in his figures then the Nesdaq or other exchanges. But when it drops a little, the whole market goes nuts. And i think that was the point he was thinking about.
People undervalue effect of crowd at live event. and forget that m5 vs tpa was played basiclly as a scrim because of internet issues at outside venue. TPA could of easily crumbled after losing 1st game on real stage with crowd and lights.. m5 historically had better performances on live events. Maybe just salty m5 fan but it should be noted.
That intro...I fucking love you man. May I please have your business email?