@@ajgYT09 It could be said that there were a number of arguments in that clip. Just for clarity, what argument are you saying was weak? And how was it disproven?
@@UncleKennybobs it’s taken more than a month for him/her to answer me. I don’t think either of us are going to get one. I find this sort of thing a lot. They make a statement like that, I ask them to clarify their position or answer a question about their position, and I get ignored or they do everything to avoid answering the question.
@@SINTD_666 What could he possibly say? If he claims God told him that, he'll get himself locked up in an asylum. Another thing, when a man or a woman talks to God, its prayer. When God speaks back it's either witchcraft or a paranoid delusion.
@@scorchx3000 I couldn’t comment on that too much. Speaking to god is called prayer. If he says he got an answer, that could take 3 forms. It could be a direct answer that he knows is in his head, a direct answer that he thinks is a voice he’s hearing with his ears. Or something he’s interpreted as a sign. Perhaps the voices could be classed as a delusion but the interpretation of signs and signals may just be misinterpretation of a natural event. I don’t think they lock people up for hearing voices anymore. Not unless he’s claiming that those voices are inciting him to murder.
@@ajgYT09 “Wilfully ignorant? ” Let’s have a look at this in the correct context. UncleKennybobs said:- “there’s no such thing. Unless you think one old book is proof of something” When you purchase a bible, how many physical books do you get? You get ONE BOOK, right? You get many STORIES, but you get ONE BOOK. Where do ALL of the stories of the life of Jesus come from? They’re ALL from the bible, therefore they’re all from ONE BOOK, therefore you believe in Jesus because of ONE BOOK. Oh, BTW, how can you meet the Jesus of the bible stories? He’s dead! Allegedly crucified (by a ruler that ruled the country in a different timeframe to the demise of Jesus). If he’s dead, how can anyone meet him? If you’re making the claim that any of us are likely to meet him after we cease living, then you had better show me some evidence of life after death, and that the Jesus of the bible was really the son of a deity. Then perhaps you can find evidence that after he was crucified he was actually dead and wasn’t suffering from a condition called Catalepsy? When you’ve done that, maybe you can explain how the physical body of a resurrected murder victim can live on earth for 40 days, then without being killed, “ascend” to heaven? A heaven which exists beyond time and space? How can a physical body reach a non physical place? Remember, this was supposed to have happened in front of 11 apostles. How do they know he went to heaven? They only saw his physical body go up into the sky until Jesus was out of sight.
@@ajgYT09 I missed this one earlier. According to biblehub, “biblos” is the inner bark of the papyrus plant, but can also be used to describe a scroll or a BOOK. Surely Biblehub wouldn’t lie, right? Other sources say the word is derived from the Greek word “biblion” meaning ‘BOOK’ not ‘BOOKS’. It’s also the name of a cafe that serves Lebanese and Caribbean wraps in the St. Pauls area of Bristol. We can argue lexical semantics all you like but as we’re not all Greek, and if you buy a bible, you do only get ONE BOOK with the contents of several books within a single binding, I think we can assume that when OP called the bible “a book” he was reasonably accurate. I don’t deny that there are stories outside of the bible about someone called Jesus being executed. Jesus wasn’t exactly an exclusive name, and crucifixion wasn’t exactly a rare execution method. Harder to pin down, however, is whether the executed Jesus was the same person that was said to have cured diseases, walked on water, fed masses of people on small amounts of food, etc etc. Heck there’s little to no historical evidence outside of the bible that the man executed was the boy allegedly born to Mary. How does a well documented medical condition like catalepsy become an intellectual and medical impossibility? The death of Jesus happened millennia ago; over 2000 years ago. He had to be mortal up until that point, which means that until the point of his death, he was susceptible to any human medical condition. As recently as 2018 Gonzalo Jiménez, in the Asturias region of Spain had been declared dead by 3 doctors when he woke up in a mortuary. I’m still not sure if his case has been proven to be catalepsy or not. That’s 2018! What medical knowledge/ check/ test do you think they had 2000+ years ago for diagnosing against that one particular condition, that they no longer had in 2018? So jesu died, lived again, and never died. Firstly the first to thirds of that description sounds exactly like catalepsy. Secondly, if he didn’t die he’s over 2000 years old. Thirdly, how did he ascend to heaven (beyond time and space) in his physical form? His body must have died. What happened to the empty body after his spirit/essence/life force left? Funny how you’re happy to take the word of the bible and the history channel as true when they agree with you, but you’re not so happy to believe that a condition like catalepsy documented in medical peer reviewed papers could have happened to Jesus because it puts a doubt on the resurrection, and therefore a doubt on whether Jesus was the son of or is god or if he’s just a man.
Wow, the words sound like me speaking but the voice is wrong, and my lips aren’t moving.
Great clip.
@@ajgYT09 It could be said that there were a number of arguments in that clip. Just for clarity, what argument are you saying was weak? And how was it disproven?
Are you assuming the existence of a fictitious character?
@@UncleKennybobs it’s taken more than a month for him/her to answer me. I don’t think either of us are going to get one.
I find this sort of thing a lot. They make a statement like that, I ask them to clarify their position or answer a question about their position, and I get ignored or they do everything to avoid answering the question.
@@SINTD_666
What could he possibly say? If he claims God told him that, he'll get himself locked up in an asylum.
Another thing, when a man or a woman talks to God, its prayer. When God speaks back it's either witchcraft or a paranoid delusion.
@@scorchx3000 I couldn’t comment on that too much. Speaking to god is called prayer. If he says he got an answer, that could take 3 forms. It could be a direct answer that he knows is in his head, a direct answer that he thinks is a voice he’s hearing with his ears. Or something he’s interpreted as a sign.
Perhaps the voices could be classed as a delusion but the interpretation of signs and signals may just be misinterpretation of a natural event.
I don’t think they lock people up for hearing voices anymore. Not unless he’s claiming that those voices are inciting him to murder.
Jesus...penny? Jesus Christ....penny?
I get it now! He went on to form the store chain J.C Penny. J.C is Jesus Christ!
There's no such thing. Unless you think one old book is proof of something.
@@ajgYT09 “Wilfully ignorant? ” Let’s have a look at this in the correct context. UncleKennybobs said:-
“there’s no such thing. Unless you think one old book is proof of something”
When you purchase a bible, how many physical books do you get? You get ONE BOOK, right? You get many STORIES, but you get ONE BOOK. Where do ALL of the stories of the life of Jesus come from? They’re ALL from the bible, therefore they’re all from ONE BOOK, therefore you believe in Jesus because of ONE BOOK.
Oh, BTW, how can you meet the Jesus of the bible stories? He’s dead! Allegedly crucified (by a ruler that ruled the country in a different timeframe to the demise of Jesus). If he’s dead, how can anyone meet him? If you’re making the claim that any of us are likely to meet him after we cease living, then you had better show me some evidence of life after death, and that the Jesus of the bible was really the son of a deity.
Then perhaps you can find evidence that after he was crucified he was actually dead and wasn’t suffering from a condition called Catalepsy? When you’ve done that, maybe you can explain how the physical body of a resurrected murder victim can live on earth for 40 days, then without being killed, “ascend” to heaven? A heaven which exists beyond time and space? How can a physical body reach a non physical place? Remember, this was supposed to have happened in front of 11 apostles. How do they know he went to heaven? They only saw his physical body go up into the sky until Jesus was out of sight.
@@ajgYT09 I missed this one earlier.
According to biblehub, “biblos” is the inner bark of the papyrus plant, but can also be used to describe a scroll or a BOOK. Surely Biblehub wouldn’t lie, right? Other sources say the word is derived from the Greek word “biblion” meaning ‘BOOK’ not ‘BOOKS’. It’s also the name of a cafe that serves Lebanese and Caribbean wraps in the St. Pauls area of Bristol. We can argue lexical semantics all you like but as we’re not all Greek, and if you buy a bible, you do only get ONE BOOK with the contents of several books within a single binding, I think we can assume that when OP called the bible “a book” he was reasonably accurate.
I don’t deny that there are stories outside of the bible about someone called Jesus being executed. Jesus wasn’t exactly an exclusive name, and crucifixion wasn’t exactly a rare execution method. Harder to pin down, however, is whether the executed Jesus was the same person that was said to have cured diseases, walked on water, fed masses of people on small amounts of food, etc etc. Heck there’s little to no historical evidence outside of the bible that the man executed was the boy allegedly born to Mary.
How does a well documented medical condition like catalepsy become an intellectual and medical impossibility? The death of Jesus happened millennia ago; over 2000 years ago. He had to be mortal up until that point, which means that until the point of his death, he was susceptible to any human medical condition. As recently as 2018 Gonzalo Jiménez, in the Asturias region of Spain had been declared dead by 3 doctors when he woke up in a mortuary. I’m still not sure if his case has been proven to be catalepsy or not. That’s 2018! What medical knowledge/ check/ test do you think they had 2000+ years ago for diagnosing against that one particular condition, that they no longer had in 2018?
So jesu died, lived again, and never died. Firstly the first to thirds of that description sounds exactly like catalepsy. Secondly, if he didn’t die he’s over 2000 years old. Thirdly, how did he ascend to heaven (beyond time and space) in his physical form? His body must have died. What happened to the empty body after his spirit/essence/life force left?
Funny how you’re happy to take the word of the bible and the history channel as true when they agree with you, but you’re not so happy to believe that a condition like catalepsy documented in medical peer reviewed papers could have happened to Jesus because it puts a doubt on the resurrection, and therefore a doubt on whether Jesus was the son of or is god or if he’s just a man.
It's pretty clear that facts will hurt your tiny brain.
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