0:00 Intro 2:26 Who Are Paul and Morgan? 12:17 Who Is Sister Cindy? 24:59 Not Quite 12 Hours With Sister Cindy... 30:40 Paul Meets Cindy 38:23 Sooooo, What Are You Wearing? 43:14 Purity Culture and Shame 47:50 A Deep Dive Into Misogynistic Language 56:35 An Aside: Surnames and the Patriarchy 01:03:33 Reclamation and Empowerment 01:09:00 What Do The Students Think? 01:25:26 The Most Mediocre Interview 01:37:26 "Morgan, You Should Be Disgusted With Yourself" Sources and Further Reading here: docs.google.com/document/d/1xjdDxazjj2eXMG6R0IBEHR4lb2WED28xgXP3Sj0WWmc/edit?usp=sharing
Rachel, respectfully, I have never heard P or M but mean on their channel and I watch their content. I’m not sure if you realise but we can’t bend the Bible to fit the LGBT community and atheists, you must bend to fit the Bible. Truth is truth whether or not if offends and on that day of Judgement every one will bow and declare Jesus is Lord. You can either do it willingly or you will have to do it. On that day you will know Truth but it will be too late. Eternity is long, hell is hot. I pray for you frequently like give done for Russell Brand x
@@sambailie4773 "Truth is truth whether or not it offends"? Exactly. I am gay. I am gay whether or not it offends you. Hate to break it to you mate but if I end up having to face off against Jesus in the afterlife for some reason (the dude who specifically revoked old laws that hurt people, even sinners, and emphasized the importance of love) then I am willing to do so even if I highly doubt that will happen. In the mean time, you can respectively shove off and realize that you are not helping anyone and are actively hurting some people.
@@silvercyndaquil8472 don't pay them no mind, pal, they're all pathological liars. No way that Cindy it whatever was preaching her nonsense since I was born! and living in this nice big ass house without other means of income 17:25 the students clearly making fun of her she's so clueless
"She uses colorful language that might ruffle some feathers," says Paul. If a drag queen used the same words that Cindy uses, Paul wouldn't call it "colorful". He would call it evil, offensive, and ungodly. The double standard people use to excuse their own is palpable.
Paul, unironically: "when Jesus calls us to love our neighbours, he meant that more as a guideline than as* a commandment". This is fundie hypocrisie in a nutshell.
These schools get federal funding, so they’re not totally private property. Public places on campus like the quad are considered to be part of “the public square,” where very strong first amendment protections apply. In a nutshell, institutions can somewhat regulate someone’s speech based on time, place, and manner (so she can’t do this in a classroom or in the library). But, with a few exceptions, they can’t regulate speech based on content. This is also why the way that campuses retaliated against many of the Palestinian protesters was so flagrantly unconstitutional.
@@Schmowd3r i'm not American, but I refuse to beleive that I could walk onto a campus and just start screaming obscenities at people without repercussions. Why do the religious get a free pass to do exactly that?
Colleges want to show their respect for diversity so instead of only allowing middle aged men dressed is drag bothering people about their sexuality, they also allow middle aged Christian lady lol
@@zotha I think if they violate codes of conduct or municipal, county, state, federal laws, they can be kicked. When I was in post-secondary, a man looking a lot like Sister Cindy's counterpart (it honestly could've been him for all I know) showed up outside of our main building with cafeterias and such. He wasn't there for long before being asked to leave. He came back later which I'm guessing could be seen as disorderly or something since he was making a lot of noise and was previously asked to stop. I hung out in that area a lot so it's why I got a decent timeline lol
@@zothaI went to a public university in the south/midwest US (depending on your persuasion), and I’ve seen literal KKK members and white supremacist groups on campus. Various flavors of Christians showed up to proselytize all the time. Like others have mentioned, there are some restrictions - you can’t show up in classrooms or in university owned buildings to yell about how all women are sluts, but portions of campuses are often very similar to public parks. People are allowed to be there and say whatever they want to. I do think there ought to be more explicit restrictions on the content that people want to scream about in public. Hate speech and inciting violence are illegal but poorly defined. Where I’m from, cops will side with the nazis every time, and I’m sure they’re unbothered by extremist Christians if they aren’t actively in that camp themselves
I would hate to have even a casual friendship that vaguely resembled Paul and Morgan's relationship. It's so clear how they annoy and anger each other while smiling and laughing through it. Sounds exhausting
My favourite part of the OG margarita song is that it not only mocks Cindy, but turns the message into being empowered and having a fun time! Plus it's a bop
He's wrong. She could come here. I'd take her in. I know a café where she could find other people who'd take her in and keep her location secret. I know a river that'd take Paul in, too, if it came to that.
Yet if I say he's emotionally abusive I'm the "bad guy" who's being "inappropriate" *biggest eye roll of my life* I've seen this shit first hand live on YT so sick of being gaslit by other influencers defending him.
that's just one of the many horrific things Paul has said to Morgan to her face. Not to mention that he brainwashed her into thinking that marital grape is normal and her "duty". She's not innocent but he's awful
Admittedly, there is a sense of relief from marriage/long-term partnership. _If it's a strong marriage or partnership_ , there is less of a chance of a partner leaving from pettier arguments. There is a sunk cost fallacy to an extent. HOWEVER, people are allowed to leave a marriage at any point. The fact that Paul and people like him think someone can't is scary and gross. You should never ever bank on being married or long-term to say nasty things and get away with it. The person you are talking to is still a human being and may forgive, but won't forget. The fact that Paul felt empowered to say that out loud and in such a way illustrates how he thinks he can do as he pleases without consequences.
@@morgianasartre6709 true, and the laughing I could forgive but when he went “oh she’s crying now” that just reinforced even if the laugh was a nervous laugh, he had absolutely zero empathy for the fact that she was upset at his comment and found it funny
@@hayleigh7354 I think when I watched the whole thing it wasn't that bad, he did kinda show empathy and felt bad about having such thoughts. Not saying he isn't a piece of work and yeah he has demonstrated a lack of basic empathy in many cases.
and you know he loved that he said "yes" while she said "no". What he did was manipulative and he chose to keep it in the video. It's obvious he loves tormenting her. Just gross.
They should've cut that from the video, but being fundie leaves you with no sense of privacy or boundaries. Anything you're ashamed of should be confessed, you have no right to keep things private
1:02:45 I know you're making a very serious and thoughtful point, but for a second I thought you were going to say, "I'm not just Oates, I'm eggs, flour, butter, baking soda, and sugar- I'm a whole cookie and a d*mn good one!"
But like, jokes on you Paul...SHE CAN! At literally any second his wife could pack a bag and the kids and just leave. A piece of paper isn't going to stop Morgan if she hits a certain level. So, I don't know, maybe work on yourself and make yourself a healthier partner so you don't have to walk around feeling your wife might leave and thinking your marriage licence is some sort of magic incantation that will stop that from happening?
@@ChristopherSadlowski I'm not going to act like an expert in their relationship but from what I can tell she doesn't leave him because of their religious beliefs and the social stigma. If she ever broke out of the Christian anti-divorce mindset I'm sure she'd file immediately.
I don't understand how people like Sister Cindy are allowed on college campuses. If anyone like that had come to my campus while I was in my college, I would have felt so unsafe. I wasn't putting myself thousand of dollars in debt to have some stranger call me and my friends degrading names while we're walking to class! She's not a teacher, not putting on some extracurricular activity...she has no place on campuses. College students should not be some "preacher"'s conversion hunting ground.
Jed and Cindy came by my undergrad and graduate campuses. In both cases, they were only allowed on the campus free speech zones. There's cool people who would hang out in these free speech zones that were so much better than the preachers--my graduate institution has a local guy who comes everyday to play hackey sack, and he did it for years.
Same thing with my camper. Public universities are public property. Anyone can enter and go mostly anywhere they want. Until they cause trouble and campus police are involved. When I heard Sister Cindy speak , I took some time to ponder 💭 her position and I decided that I was morally correct with my sexual behavior. Wild views are part of a real education. Self reflection.
yup. even the yelling and offensive things she actually says should be grounds for removal, right? like idk much about the states but i’ve never even seen a preacher at aussie universities in the first place either lol i hate when people yell- i would really dislike having that on campus…
True, but it seems the kids are alright and handle it beautifully with laughter. Preacher lady is just too dense to realize they are making a spectacle of her.
UNSAFE?! Because of an old crazy lady screaming nonsense? I'm surprised she's allowed on college campuses simply because her screamings have no education value. She's like a random crazy person. It's clear that the students are making fun of her.
in the MOSTTTTTT respectful way possible, morgan sounds just so…exhausted. i completely understand she’s pregnant and everything considered, i just feel like the not wanting to do youtube is getting to her. i feel bad for her sometimes
Paul triggers me something fierce, so I had to take breaks while watching this, but I will say that I don't think he asked better questions because he's just winging this. They both are. They're just not entertaining, and their channel is dying. As for Sister Cindy, I'm a millennial, I have a sense of humor, and what Sister Cindy is preaching is funny to the audience because it's being aimed at people who are more than likely all under the age of 25. It sounds funny and edgy to them, but as an adult, it sounds childish. I think everyone who was laughing, was laughing at her, despite the harmful message. She's replaced the "fire and brimstone" rhetoric with "ho" and "thot" but it's the same message that has been said for eons now. She sounds like a grifter to me, plain and simple.
IMO Paul doesn't ask those questions because he's just not a curious person. Which is probably why the "24 hours with" series isn't doing well - both Paul and Morgan have no desire to delve deep into subjects... plus Morgan doesn't want to be doing this at all.
Paul should seriously drop social media and look into being a performer of sorts instead. Theater or the circus. Not even joking or snarking, I think he'd be more successful.
Why do I feel like Paul didn’t push deeper questions bc he likes what Cindy is doing and he agrees with her. He’s almost giddy seeing Cindy get all that attention. Also I’m sure he did minimal question planning and just doesn’t care haha
Also, he fundamentally agree with Sister Cindy's principles, even if he is unccomfortable with her methods, so he has no reason to challenge her given his general state of incuriousness. They don't do this to learn; they do this to reinforce their beliefe system; and that's fundamentally boring. Edit: I should read replies more carefully :-D
It was so sad to hear Morgan say she thought she was a ''ho'" for having pre-marital sex and then her husband DOUBLED DOWN ON THAT BELIEF, it was so toxic
Sister Cindy came to my campus when I was in school, and it was very clear that absolutely no one in the crowd took her seriously at all. Which, I think was the best case scenario bc her message is harmful to both women and those who follow the Christian faith. After Sister Cindy's "preaching" was done, she invited a friend of hers up to the mic to share her testimony. This friend spoke about her struggles and experiences with drug addiction, poverty, and domestic abuse. It was intense listening to her story, but the crowd was still so amped up from Sister Cindy's "message" that they continued throwing insults and treating her friend's true, heartbreaking testimony as a joke. It was really hard to watch, and was proof enough to me to show that Sister Cindy and her "Ho No Mo" brand are only causing harm--both to the crowds that watch her and to the public image of the Christian faith and its followers.
People should not be forming a crowd while she’s on campus or anywhere. They should just keep walking and ignore her. The problem is people forming a crowd just keep walking. Ignore her.
As a german it's so crazy to me that adults can just show up at a school campus yelling about their beliefs. Like if this happened here half of the school staff or the particularly grumpy janitor that many schools have would berate them so much lol. Idk if it's like this in all of germany but around here it's unthinkable at least.
It sounds like a Germany thing, perhaps a consequence of the emphasis on “never again” America has this “let people say whatever they want without restriction if only to avoid being attacked yourself” tendency. Half bystander effect, half misguided understanding of the First Amendment.
On the surname part, and why I refuse to change mine for marriage..... It's literally the invention of my mother and I. When we decided, now's the time we are gonna run for our life and escape her family built on extreme levels of DV / CSA / whatever you wanna include as abuse - it happened... We changed our surnames. I still hold my birth first name, she changed her *entire* identity of given-middle-surname. That surname is SO important. It denotes the beginning of escaping the worst kind of darkness and the survival of it. The awful times of living in hotels because we had nowhere to go, scared out of our minds we'd be found. The years of her therapy to deal with her childhood. Me learning who I am as a person, a child (I was under-10), independent from the concept of 'family.' It denotes the BEGINNING of a whole new life, and the absolute struggles to get there. Why on Earth would I ever give something so poignant, important, sentimental, and empowering up...... Just to state, "I am married and I am legally bound to a husband"?
I’m so glad you got out, your mom sounds like a hero. Much respect to both of you, and as a parent, so much respect to her for how hard that must have been to work on herself while also be there for you, while building a new life. Maybe you’ll write a memoir someday. I kept my last name just because my husband wasn’t willing to change his, and I didn’t see why I should resign my identity.
I still walk around with my detestable original surname, because I don't have the money to change it yet. It feels like a curse, connecting me to the worst people I've ever had the misfortune to meet. Sadly, my morther passed away when I was still a child, but I managed to get away when I was 18 and start anew. I hope to one day be able to shed my surname, just like the two of you did. I'm so glad the two of you managed to get away and start a new life. Wishing you all the best.
Cindy and the rest of Jed's group were a group of caricatures at my college campus. People would often look up from days blending into each other to see Brother Jed and Sister Cindy screaming ("preaching") at students in the middle of campus, only to then realize exactly what time of year it was. People looked forward to making time in their schedules to visit Brother Jed and Sister Cindy's sermons, whether to ridicule, argue, observe, film, or question. It seemed as though the majority of interactions, even at the quite religiously conservative school, were taken as a joke by the students. As a personal anecdote, I vividly remember Brother Jed pointing my friend and I out across the plaza for hugging as a greeting, calling us out as "filthy sinners". Anything I caught them spewing was usually hateful, meant to provoke and shame people.
Ironic considering Jesus is supposed to be loving of all and stuff. I mean, didn't he help out "prostitutes" or something?? Pretty sure their entire ideology goes against what Jesus is claimed to be, but I highly doubt they even care about that.
Every time I saw a campus preacher, it lowkey made me wish I was gay so I could make out with my same sex partner in front of them while giving them the finger. I also considered making a big, bright poster that said, “praise Satan!” and just quietly, casually holding it up as I walked by on the way to class. I really wish I’d had the guts to do it.
6:28 Morgan does everything Paul wants, she says when she wants something but he never really gives in to her. He has considered divorcing and leaving her while she gives him no real pushback or boundaries. This is the TradWife to Poverty Pipeline in real time. He feels entitled to leave her stranded at any point after she has agreed to be a mom. I was so terrified of this being my future when I was younger. It’s just a nightmare scenario for me.
If I remember correctly he said the thought of divorce did come into his head in the first year of marriage which was supposedly the hardest for their relationship with a lot of arguments and Morgan's spiraling mental health. But not after that.
He says "thought". I think it's rare that anyone has never gotten mad enough to fantasize for even one second abt breakup/divorce. I've thought abt breaking up w my LTR but never come seriously close. I just get dysregulated and imagine it cathartically.
as someone who goes to school in the US, our understanding was that these ppl allowed to be on the public campus and can’t be removed as it would be a violation of free speech. these people try to get a rise out of everyone so they can be removed/physically confronted and then sue.
When I saw the names "Paul and Morgan" in the notification, I feel like this is gonna be a cringey video but watching the intro and finally met Sister Cindy, oh man, this video is gonna be wild. But at the same time, I'm gonna watch it to support Rachel. If Rachel had to suffer through this while making this video, we have to suffer as well but we got this
They need to ban her from entering campuses. If it were from genuine concern for her mental health and not ban her, is it even a genuine concern if zero care is given to the students that cross paths with her? Great video as always.
As someone who grew up in a deeply fundie environment, I really appreciate all the fundie content you make. I don't know if I could ever explain how cathartic these have been
There was a really problematic evangelist who went by Bible Bill who was banned from my college campus while I was there. I saw him preach a couple times, (mostly because he was right in the middle of campus where I needed to walk) and a lot of it was telling people reasons they would be going to hell. He finally ended up not being allowed back when he told a young woman on her way to the gym that she deserved to be raped for wearing shorts, so apparently that was where the line was for that university.
It’s sad how colleges don’t interfere until it gets to that point. I know that it’s public property but it’s spreading misinformation and harm to others. There were anti LGBT people on my campus and no one did shit. I left that place it was so toxic ugh
I'm a hospital housekeeper, and your videos often play on my phone as I clean rooms and other spaces. It can be rough, but your energy and inclusive takes give me something fun and validating to focus on. Thank you so much!! Ngl, I'd love podcast versions of your videos on Spotify or something! Since I can't watch your videos as I work, a strictly audio format would be super awesome!
something i’ve found interesting about the idea of first names vs. surnames is how people tend to refer to female public figures by their first names but refer to male figures by surnames (such as hilary vs. trump). it’s a subtle example of misogyny where women are (perhaps subconsciously) seen as not deserving of the respect of a last name. i’m a journalist and it’s always been emphasized to make sure to refer to women by their last names in articles because of this, but your perspective has me thinking about WHY the last name is considered more respectful professionally and what that in itself says about a patriarchal name being seen as more proper than a given name. really interesting to think about
When I was in college (2016) there was a couple from the US (I'm from iceland) who showed up on campus. I was in a very liberal and artsy college, and Iceland is also not really religious and very liberal. This couple started preaching in front of the main entrance, a lot of us (me included) just started making out with a member of the same sex and they got scared and left. Insane moment.
I started crying when you were talking about the surnames and patriarchy. My mum passed away almost 2 years ago, and my name is the only permanent gift I have gotten from her (as I look like the mix of my whole family visually). My name was decided by both my mum and dad, but it was thought out carefully and I couldn’t be more grateful. I love my surname as well, because my dad is one of the best men I’ve ever met in my life, but my name really encompasses my family and I’s identity very well. I never told my mum about my favourite youtubers, as she didn’t speak English, but she would have loved you and your amazing thought process. Thank you for being yourself and for being such an amazing and thoughtful person ❤
I started this video disagreeing that Cindy is harmful, bc I was at uni when she came to preach on campus and I had a couple friends who she would consider “hoes” who thought she was funny, and cheered for her. But your thoughts on messages being harmful despite having a positive reception and not being taken seriously really made me think. Your video had really insightful commentary I wouldn’t have otherwise thought of, and I loved your tangent on taking on a husbands name and the concept of ownership and maternal lineage. Amazing video Rachel :)
As a linguistics student, the whole discussion on gendered insults definitely parallels stuff I have studied, and so did the surname portions! My teacher actually had worked a lot on the topics of reclaiming insults and slurs, and how marginalized communities can take power back by deciding how to use them. Thank you for all the book recommandations, will definitely look into those!
also alright, I hate that I'm having this thought, but you just KNOW that while trying to downplay it, Paul feels so incredibly superior about his 'never a ho' button. Like that little pin is going straight into his spankbank.
Honestly I love this take on surnames particularly, it reminds me of a line I read in a book like 100 years ago where one woman said to another woman that she didn't understand why children were named for their father's when really they only thing you could be absolutely certain off was which women birthed the child (this was a historical fantasy setting so no dna testing options either). And that always stuck with me. Secondly, I've been a firm believer for quite a while now that we absolutely need to ban slut-shaming as a whole. Like it doesn't matter how many sexual partner has or hasn't had. We don't need to shame anybody that. It has also made me wonder what would be the better option: to either take back the word and give it a more positive association (which I think in some groups is already kinda happening where people will call each other sluts affectionately) or to sort of bury it altogether. I'm kinda leaning towards option 1 but it's definitely tricky either-way. I do 100% think it should be a gender-neutral term. If we're going to keep it, ANYBODY can be a slut and hopefully, proudly so.
interesting you mention how "slut" used to mean "untidy woman". In German (or maybe it's just an Austrian dialect thing, not sure) we still say "schlampig" which means "untidy/messy" but also means "slutty" depening on the context. Like my mum used to call me "schlompad" (which is our dialect word for "schlampig") when i had a messy room for example. She also called me a "Schlompn" (noun for "schlompad"/"schlampig") once when i had a particularly messy room. But i think she realized that it could be interpreted that she just called her 14 year old daughter a slut bc she then clarified to me that she just meant to say that i was a messy girl lol. The more i think about it, the more i think it is a dialect specific thing that we use "schlampig" also as messy/untidy. I think in standard German it is just used in the meaning of "slutty". Dialects are fun :) I hope you enjoyed your holiday in Austria :)
It's similar in Germany, Usually we use "schlampig" as "untidy/messy" and the noun "Schlampe" as a derogatory term for promiscuous women, although some older people occasionally use it to refer to a messy woman.
For someone who is visibly uncomfortable with the fact that his wife had a previous sexual partner, Paul sure does find all kinds of excusses to bring that up on a regular basis. It's kinda gross.
Also, I guarantee that neither Paul nor Morgan believe there is such a thing as rape culture, so those questions were never even in the same universe as this interview.
I'm always so happy when you upload. You've been very helpful in my deconstruction from Catholicism, and it meant I could give myself the space to convert to Hellenism and accept myself as a queer woman. I'm still on a long road for healing but your channel has been so helpful - a good laugh at fundies while breaking down the harmful views. Thank you for your work Rachel ♥
@@seanboggs215 It's not dumb at all!! And you're right, it is greek. Hellenism is the modern reconstruction of worship of the greek gods. Just gonna get outta the way a few common misconception - one, the gods are not their myths; even in ancient times the myths were not taken literally and some Hellenists even critiqued the poets for such uncomfortable portrayals of the gods. Two, the gods are not fire and brimstone wrath. They are actually very kind. My new faith - Hellenism - has brought me a lot of peace and is helping me work through a lot of issues. I particularly love that it's not an orthodox religion, so members are more likely to be accepting of different belief systems and everyone has a unique experience with the gods. I love sharing about my faith, even if the other person is just curious what the heck I'm talking about. Tysm for asking, I hope that's a good brief answer :)
I think you've hit on something here, but perhaps not exactly how you intended. In fundamentalist religions--at least generally--you don't question, you're given all the answers you need. It is completely understandable that, if you grew up in that kind of environment, you would never develop the ability to think critically and ask probing questions. Or if you do, you're shamed and/or shown the door...or worse. The people who stick around are not the type to ask questions.
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Watching the footage of Paul and Morgan having very passive aggressive arguments on camera and Paul saying shit like “it’s nice knowing she can’t go anywhere” makes me so upset and sad. You can tell how miserable both of them are, but ESPECIALLY Paul. You can tell Paul absolutely hates being married to Morgan and it’s just.. it’s sad
Imagine spending hours and hours with the "Hoe No Mo" circus. If I were him, I'd be thinking, "what TF am I doing with my life??? I'm promoting THIS???!?" then again I am not nor have I ever been a misogynist fundamentalist Christian ass hat, and cannot relate to their hateful shaming mentality
Nah I don’t feel bad for Paul however I feel bad for Morgan. He knew about her past, he knew she wasn’t “innocent” and still ended up marrying her just to shame her about it everyday and remind her of her past for no reason. He sounds suffocating as hell
I'm with you on most of that, but not the "especially Paul" part. He's offloading any misery he feels onto Morgan. He constantly belittles her. He talks over her. He rolls his eyes at her. She's desperate for his approval and he gets a kick out of withholding it. I can disagree with everything she ever says and still want to save her from him.
@@iz_u_ru I can see why Rachel would be suspicious as to why she wasn't in the episode. She definitely could have been sick, but there is an added bonus of not having to be involved in this nonsense and having trauma brought back up regarding having sex before marriage. I could see Sister Cindy's message being triggering to her.
I've literally only ever had one partner - we've been together nearly 8 years, we're common-law married and consider each other husband & wife, he was my first date, first kiss, and first time, and I hope he's my last. The fact that Sister Cindy would still consider me a ho is so deeply funny to me
Firstly the outfit and the makeup is so goregous it makes me want to explore color eyeshadow more! I found at the end when Morgan was talking about how she disliked that no one in her life checked in on her to be quite sad. In my own life my friends and I are constantly checking in on each other about all aspects of our lives and it just sounded as though Morgan didn't have anyone to truly connect to or talk to about whatever she was feeling at the time - especially because it surrounded the topic of premarital sex and would surely be shamed for even bringing up.
Your tangent about names was really interesting! As someone with a hyphenated last name, I’ve put a lot of thought into what I’m supposed to do with it if I ever have kids- do I pass it on? Choose one name? Use my future spouse’s? Some weird name amalgamation? I understand why my parents did it, but I honestly really wish there was a better solution. I love my name, and I’ll never change it, but sometimes I think it’ll put me in a tough spot with some of my family in the future. I really wish there was a better solution to the issues inherent to the whole ‘pass down your surname paternally’ situation.
Ugh I so feel this. I have a hyphenated name and my partner and I are talking about getting married. I said I would never change my name, but I want us and our kids to have the same last name and I don’t think it’s fair to ask him to take on my hyphenated name when his is simple and easier. I wrestled with it for a while but decided I wanted to take his name because I liked it and it would make things easier, with him knowing how much of a sacrifice that would be for me and that I would get full dominion over kids’ given names because of the fact that I’m giving up my name. Might not be the solution for everyone but it’s what we think will work for us 😊
For what it's worth, my parents (married) kept their original last names while the kids got my dad's last name (more suspicious at the time for men to be traveling alone with kids). Even with international travel traveling alone with my mom there were never any issues. No issues with paperwork growing up either. Completely makes sense to want the same last name as your kids, but (for example) if your partner kept his name it's doubtful there would be any practical issues. It's really more an emotional question than anything.
I'm working on my thesis (It's architecture so I always need something in the back) and her videos are always so great for that ❤ Also Alizee dropped a video today, they conspired to make me study
@daenerys02 i love alizee's videos too ! binged the Colleen hoover book reviews And yeah Rachel's videos are so good to have in the background while drawing especially, keeps me company AND very informative
As a "female" who was raised by parents that never brainwashed me with this bs and only asked for me to be safe, I would probably not throw a second look at some shrieking old woman and go about my way to class that I paid for...🙄
Not a direct reply to things discussed in the video but I wanted to say that I appreciate you leaving in things that others would maybe edit out as bloopers/"mistakes" - a slight stumble over words, restarting a sentence, a pause to think, etc. It feels much more human and accessible and I love it! There's definitely a place for snappy editing but I appreciate the humanity you bring to these topics, from your scripting and careful discussion of the topics themselves, all the way to your editing. Keep up the great work; I appreciate you diving into these subjects so we don't have to.
I always find it interesting that in English classes I was taught to just refer to someone as their last name after introducing them in the beginning of essays. It’s the same for citations.
I recognize Paul and Morgan from earlier videos. I'm surprised they are still together, keep waiting to hear about Morgan finally getting fed up enough to leave.
While there is (what appears to me) a bit of an abusive dynamic, she's all in on the same beliefs. While she'd likely be far healthier and happier with someone else, it wouldn't surprise me if she kept the same belief system even without him.
@@thenopedetectivetbh, I still hope she leaves. Even if she’s reprehensible, nobody deserves that kind of abuse, and she’d still be better off without him.
@@thenopedetective On second thought, given her religious beliefs, divorcing would need to be accompanied by at least a partial if not full deconstruction of her christianity, so it'll probably be a while if ever.
They both seem miserable. In particular, I couldn't imagine being in Paul's shoes spending ANY amount of time with Sister Cindy and NOT coming out of that experience seriously questioning the wisdom of my life choices...
I love the passion and sentiments about your last name, and the idea that you're a product of all your ancestors on all sides, not just one line, and that your given name reflects the love of all your family. It reminds me of my brother: he's got 3 kids and he and his wife planned to name them after the Archangels (they're quite religious). When the last child came along after a longer break, he was supposed to be named our-language version of Raphael, but the older children didn't like it, so they all picked a different name together, as a family. I like that my brother and sister-in-law had a theme for their children's names (they are quite nice names too, I think!), but I also really like that they were okay with changing their plan to make space for their children's opinion and include them in welcoming their new brother.
cannot wait for this. i have so many videos and pictures of sister cindy and brother jed on my campus in 2018/2019. i have a sticker of her and her “be a ho no mo” with my gay friends kissing in front of it. it’s so weird to have seen her go viral. i would never say she was mentally ill, she knows what she’s doing. maybe she’s a bit delusional, but she’s a fundie and she’s tiktok famous now.
Bc he has a lot of subconscious underlying resentment that he hasn't worked through IMO. Also morgan does this to him too. I've seen it both ways although it could be bc she's sick of the "paper cuts" Paul is the kind of person where it's "death by papercuts" situation that's all I'm gonna say.
I appreciated the aside on women and last names! For anyone interested, I highly suggest reading about "coverture laws" of marriage. Under these laws, a woman's legal existence/identity was subsumed under her husband. This meant that women's identities and rights were literally ERASED when they married. This partially explains why women would change their last name after getting married, as they were now a "part" of their husband legally. These laws prevented women from actions such as owning property, entering into contracts, or keeping a salary for herself (since the husband was the real "person", only he would be able to take certain legal actions). Coverture law was also used to justify denying women the vote. So the background behind the tradition of patriarchal surnames being passed on has a much darker side (at least in places where coverture laws existed).
Thank you for reminding me to watch the Trad Wife video I was falling down a rabbit hole and forgot that it came out, I can't wait to watch it this afternoon
I love your thoughts on surnames. even before my parents separated and I legally took my mother's surname, I referred to myself using my mother's surname because my father was very uninvolved, and I felt his name shouldn't apply to me -- I was 8 years old when I first felt this strong discomfort of a paternal surname that you talk about, and it wasn't until now that you really put into words the deeper reasons why I felt this way. great insightful video as always!!
Judging by how Cindy behaves, I think there is some underlying mental issue that leads her to hold these beliefs, but the way she goes about preaching them is a choice. She chooses to be offensive and aggressive, because as someone pointed out, she's perfectly capable of not doing that in all those on camera interviews.
My son has my name and my parents were 3rd cousins, so they had the same last name. I'm so happy I could give my last name to my son and he's actually named after his great grandfather. He was a very good man who went through so many tragedies in his life, but always remained true to himself. He was actually the first atheist in the family. He became one in a POW camp where the Soviet soldiers took him after the battle of Budapest. He was a civilian because of health issues. He almost died. He never explained what happened, he just said that there can't be a god after what he saw there.
i absolutely love when you reference something 'being an autistic thing' 'cause i know you haven't known about this neurodivergence of yours for that long and it's so endearing to hear fellow autistic people finding out traits they've been derided for are perfectly fine and common among us! speaking of being nd i also have adhd and i'm already dreading going back to rewatch this video just to find the exact second you reference books, i was hoping they would be listed in the description but then again i haven't checked all the links. i prefer long form content but if having to look for something precise in them it confuses me, oh well that's my problem and i'm interested enough to go and search for those titles 💕 about surnames: i already have a chosen name my family doesn't call me by as they don't understand being trans and i've never been able to stand bearing my dad's surname and wished to change it into my mum's mostly for feminist reasons, but also because despite none of my parents not being great in my country the laws for changing surnames are strict and i couldn't choose my own word. something i love about my mother's surname is it has a strong geographical connotation and can be traced back to her place of birth, and people are discriminated for that origin it. maybe it could be stigmatising to make it mine but i have intense ties with her heritage so i hope to be able to get it done. it's spite as well, partially, to be fair. only drawback is ever since looking into the practice, discovering filing it is expensive discouraged me
wow this comment is full of typos and full on mistakes, sorry if anyone reads it, certain sentences seem to mean the opposite of what i wanted to. i got distracted and made a mess
Ohhh hello stunning purple eye shadow!! 😮 I promise to watch the whole video Rachel, I’m just always here for the colourful makeup looks!! Such a 10/10!
I'm only at the start of the video, which I know I will LOVE. But I need to immediately tell you how incredible you look! I love the kinda editorial makeup & the shirt gives Miss Frizzle vibes in the best way. Thank you for giving us such an in depth well done video!
As someone who has studied psychology and worked in behavioral health and psychiatric research, I lean more towards not pathologizing bigotry in psychology. All people have a certain lens and schema through which they perceive reality and I have seen that people who considered themselves “wild” before becoming a Christian tend to behave in a very watered down similar way to Cindy or on the other hand they may be the most compassionate and empathetic person who wish to not perpetuate feelings of shame. I think it comes down to how people interpret or interact with the Bible and Christianity.
im midway through this video and i want to say Rachel i love your tangents!! ive been subscribed for at least 6 years now also were both autistic! i love your content and i could listen to you talk all day, i think youre very valid and in my opinion when you go off script and are speaking from the heart is my favorite part of your videos❤️🤍(thats also why i like watching you LIVE as well) unfiltered you is awesome and im here for it!! p.s. im sorry that my grammar is really bad
To the question of whether Cindy should be banned from campuses, even if she's experiencing delusions, I very much think she should be banned. She is harming people and it doesn't matter whether she's mentally ill or not. She should be banned from canpuses and arrested if she continues despite the ban. This arrest may lead to her being put in a mental health facility (which yeah there's a lot of bad stuff going on in them but there's not much else to put here) and depending on whether she suffers from any kind of delusion she may be prescribed anti-psychotic medication or something similar. After a bit she can very much be released again since the charge that she'd get would most likely be trespassing. If she has someone to take care of her, that would be a good option too and if she's aware enough to understand that what she's doing is illegal and wrong, she should end up getting either fined or put into prison because she repeatedly would've violated the law in that case.
Not me cackling like a banshee on the ferry home when Rachel said “I thought it was performance art” ☠️ as an alumna of UW Madison, it was nice to see the younger generation of Badgers shut her down.
My undergrad was in a pretty conservative small town (in the US), and we used to get angry campus preachers all the time, though I don’t think we ever got Sister Cindy. It was always bizarre though, because they always got furious reactions-to the extent that they had to be cordoned off from angry students-but all the ire came from very devout Christians who hated the way these proselytizers made them look. (Despite the fact that many of the protesters were only slightly less hateful in their ideology.) As a burgeoning atheist, I thought the preachers were more of a nuisance than anything else because they always set up in front of the building where most of my classes were. Most of my friends who were gay, atheist, or progressive Christians were more upset at all the protesters giving them attention, since attention is their goal and they’d have no reason to come to campus if people would just ignore them.
I find it interesting that these preachers just start screaming at everyone. Having gone to college (bachelors and masters) it's just not as active as people think. I think these people were a bit wild so they think everyone else is too. I'm sorry they are ashamed of their actions but that doesn't give them any insight to the actions of others.
That is my impression of her too. Especially since she starts with: "I planned to seduce this guy that I wanted to expose" - so sex was something so casual for her she thought nothing about doing something physical with a guy whose message she actually wanted to expose. I'd say it says more about her habits than most of other people's. [edit] of course this is not to shame people who have a lot of sex with different persons. I just mean that I don't think most people are quite that sexually active, and out of those who are, I think very few would have sex with someone they actually dislike just to prove a point.
@@AW-uv3cbYeah I got some projection vibes as well. I wasn't brought up to be ashamed of sex outside of marriage but I would never consider even flirting to control someone, let alone trying to fully seduce them.
When you have severe mental health issues it's quite common to be exhausted or "groggy" all the time. Researching BPD for myself and my own issues I could see that being the issue. She's not in treatment or on meds anymore.
I mean, she hates making these videos, has a little kid, trauma from the birth, another unplanned one on the way, unstable financial situation, mental health struggles, a husband who seemingly pressures her into things and is not that empathetic, now more than ever we might understand why she would be groggy.
A diagnosis is a responsibility, not an excuse. Adults are responsible to manage their own issues and to ensure they're not impacting others in a negative way. So I think critiquing their behaviour and their impact is completely fair and reasonable.
P&M aren't responsible with their mental health diagnosis. That's the real issue and A LOT of ppl are the same way it's just P&M are public. I have a TON of mental health issues, I don't use them to excuse hurting ppl. I've been in therapy for 9 yrs and I'm starting medication soon.
Paul acts like he rescued Morgan from the fires of hell and she isn't sufficiently grateful for his act of heroism, and she acts like she's always stoned.
She came to my campus once and was posted up in a really public area. She had a crowd who was clearly making fun of her, but it was still really frightening because you didn't know who in the crowd agreed with her and who in the crowd was just there to make fun of her. As a visibly queer person I wasn't even willing to walk to class that day.
That is the hugest issue with these types of people attending college campuses they make people feel uncomfortable in what should be their safe space. Sorry that happened to you.
I love the tangent on names. I totally agree with your sentiments. My partner and I are getting married next month and we are both taking a new last name. We will have our own name and it will be all ours. I’m so happy!
0:00 Intro
2:26 Who Are Paul and Morgan?
12:17 Who Is Sister Cindy?
24:59 Not Quite 12 Hours With Sister Cindy...
30:40 Paul Meets Cindy
38:23 Sooooo, What Are You Wearing?
43:14 Purity Culture and Shame
47:50 A Deep Dive Into Misogynistic Language
56:35 An Aside: Surnames and the Patriarchy
01:03:33 Reclamation and Empowerment
01:09:00 What Do The Students Think?
01:25:26 The Most Mediocre Interview
01:37:26 "Morgan, You Should Be Disgusted With Yourself"
Sources and Further Reading here: docs.google.com/document/d/1xjdDxazjj2eXMG6R0IBEHR4lb2WED28xgXP3Sj0WWmc/edit?usp=sharing
Rachel, respectfully, I have never heard P or M but mean on their channel and I watch their content. I’m not sure if you realise but we can’t bend the Bible to fit the LGBT community and atheists, you must bend to fit the Bible. Truth is truth whether or not if offends and on that day of Judgement every one will bow and declare Jesus is Lord. You can either do it willingly or you will have to do it. On that day you will know Truth but it will be too late. Eternity is long, hell is hot. I pray for you frequently like give done for Russell Brand x
@@sambailie4773 "Truth is truth whether or not it offends"? Exactly. I am gay. I am gay whether or not it offends you. Hate to break it to you mate but if I end up having to face off against Jesus in the afterlife for some reason (the dude who specifically revoked old laws that hurt people, even sinners, and emphasized the importance of love) then I am willing to do so even if I highly doubt that will happen. In the mean time, you can respectively shove off and realize that you are not helping anyone and are actively hurting some people.
I dunno how you do it, Rachel, their conversations are sooo empty! It's like listening to two stoners 🤪
@@silvercyndaquil8472 don't pay them no mind, pal, they're all pathological liars. No way that Cindy it whatever was preaching her nonsense since I was born! and living in this nice big ass house without other means of income 17:25 the students clearly making fun of her she's so clueless
@@sambailie4773 There are no gods, or hell. Truth is truth no matter who it offends.
"She uses colorful language that might ruffle some feathers," says Paul. If a drag queen used the same words that Cindy uses, Paul wouldn't call it "colorful". He would call it evil, offensive, and ungodly. The double standard people use to excuse their own is palpable.
A fantastic point!!
I'd say the hypocrisy is quite funny, but it's not anymore
It's just plain dangerous 😡 and it makes me so mad
Facts 💯💯💯💯💯💯
Yep!! And he would be mad about drag queens being on campus because it's "liberal indoctrination".
Paul, unironically: "when Jesus calls us to love our neighbours, he meant that more as a guideline than as* a commandment". This is fundie hypocrisie in a nutshell.
wake up babe rachel oates just dropped a new two hour video essay snarking on fundies
The best Rachel snark is Rachel fundie snark
One of the only acceptable reasons to disrupt my sleep schedule honestly ❤
@@LuxSerafina hahahaha yesss it’s past my bedtime but i’ve got 20 min left!
@UTTP-142 Omigod, you're right! When I go to your profile it just says "This channel doesn't have any content" - she's stolen ALL of your content!
Love long form video essays. I also love her tangents 😊. I enjoy hearing how she thinks!
Why is a middle aged person allowed to wander around a college campus and bothering people about their sexuality?
These schools get federal funding, so they’re not totally private property. Public places on campus like the quad are considered to be part of “the public square,” where very strong first amendment protections apply. In a nutshell, institutions can somewhat regulate someone’s speech based on time, place, and manner (so she can’t do this in a classroom or in the library). But, with a few exceptions, they can’t regulate speech based on content. This is also why the way that campuses retaliated against many of the Palestinian protesters was so flagrantly unconstitutional.
@@Schmowd3r i'm not American, but I refuse to beleive that I could walk onto a campus and just start screaming obscenities at people without repercussions. Why do the religious get a free pass to do exactly that?
Colleges want to show their respect for diversity so instead of only allowing middle aged men dressed is drag bothering people about their sexuality, they also allow middle aged Christian lady lol
@@zotha I think if they violate codes of conduct or municipal, county, state, federal laws, they can be kicked. When I was in post-secondary, a man looking a lot like Sister Cindy's counterpart (it honestly could've been him for all I know) showed up outside of our main building with cafeterias and such. He wasn't there for long before being asked to leave. He came back later which I'm guessing could be seen as disorderly or something since he was making a lot of noise and was previously asked to stop. I hung out in that area a lot so it's why I got a decent timeline lol
@@zothaI went to a public university in the south/midwest US (depending on your persuasion), and I’ve seen literal KKK members and white supremacist groups on campus. Various flavors of Christians showed up to proselytize all the time. Like others have mentioned, there are some restrictions - you can’t show up in classrooms or in university owned buildings to yell about how all women are sluts, but portions of campuses are often very similar to public parks. People are allowed to be there and say whatever they want to. I do think there ought to be more explicit restrictions on the content that people want to scream about in public. Hate speech and inciting violence are illegal but poorly defined. Where I’m from, cops will side with the nazis every time, and I’m sure they’re unbothered by extremist Christians if they aren’t actively in that camp themselves
I would hate to have even a casual friendship that vaguely resembled Paul and Morgan's relationship. It's so clear how they annoy and anger each other while smiling and laughing through it. Sounds exhausting
The amount of times he's insulted her voice alone...
Why would you get with someone you literally cannot stand hearing talk to you? Literally why.
@UTTP-142 Bruh wtf are you talking about
@@silvercyndaquil8472it’s a bot don’t feed it
@@silvercyndaquil8472 bet she stole their art and autism too 😂
@UTTP-142 What content did she steal? You literally have 0 uploads, like... bruh
My favourite part of the OG margarita song is that it not only mocks Cindy, but turns the message into being empowered and having a fun time! Plus it's a bop
It is 😂😂 still play it from time to time
It regularly still gets stuck in my head lol
Really… how does promiscuity empower women? As a woman myself, I’m curious. Any men I know have zero respect for women with a large headcount x
“It’s nice knowing that she can’t go anywhere,” oh my word…
It is terrifying hearing men brag about their wives not being able to leave them
He's wrong. She could come here. I'd take her in. I know a café where she could find other people who'd take her in and keep her location secret.
I know a river that'd take Paul in, too, if it came to that.
Yet if I say he's emotionally abusive I'm the "bad guy" who's being "inappropriate" *biggest eye roll of my life* I've seen this shit first hand live on YT so sick of being gaslit by other influencers defending him.
that's just one of the many horrific things Paul has said to Morgan to her face. Not to mention that he brainwashed her into thinking that marital grape is normal and her "duty". She's not innocent but he's awful
Admittedly, there is a sense of relief from marriage/long-term partnership. _If it's a strong marriage or partnership_ , there is less of a chance of a partner leaving from pettier arguments. There is a sunk cost fallacy to an extent. HOWEVER, people are allowed to leave a marriage at any point. The fact that Paul and people like him think someone can't is scary and gross. You should never ever bank on being married or long-term to say nasty things and get away with it. The person you are talking to is still a human being and may forgive, but won't forget. The fact that Paul felt empowered to say that out loud and in such a way illustrates how he thinks he can do as he pleases without consequences.
that clip where paul says he’s considered divorce and LAUGHS at her crying????? Like I knew they were bad but WHAT
To be fair, laughing is a common automatic reaction when your feel uncomfortable and don't really know what to do.
@@morgianasartre6709 true, and the laughing I could forgive but when he went “oh she’s crying now” that just reinforced even if the laugh was a nervous laugh, he had absolutely zero empathy for the fact that she was upset at his comment and found it funny
@@hayleigh7354 I think when I watched the whole thing it wasn't that bad, he did kinda show empathy and felt bad about having such thoughts. Not saying he isn't a piece of work and yeah he has demonstrated a lack of basic empathy in many cases.
and you know he loved that he said "yes" while she said "no". What he did was manipulative and he chose to keep it in the video. It's obvious he loves tormenting her. Just gross.
They should've cut that from the video, but being fundie leaves you with no sense of privacy or boundaries. Anything you're ashamed of should be confessed, you have no right to keep things private
1:02:45 I know you're making a very serious and thoughtful point, but for a second I thought you were going to say, "I'm not just Oates, I'm eggs, flour, butter, baking soda, and sugar- I'm a whole cookie and a d*mn good one!"
😂 omg that’s brilliant!
Well the oat puns are still awesome! 😂
Raisin hell and we’re here for it!
😂
"it's nice knowing she can't leave." How sad, this is why shaming and banning divorce is a bad idea. I feel so bad for them.
But like, jokes on you Paul...SHE CAN! At literally any second his wife could pack a bag and the kids and just leave. A piece of paper isn't going to stop Morgan if she hits a certain level. So, I don't know, maybe work on yourself and make yourself a healthier partner so you don't have to walk around feeling your wife might leave and thinking your marriage licence is some sort of magic incantation that will stop that from happening?
@@ChristopherSadlowski I'm not going to act like an expert in their relationship but from what I can tell she doesn't leave him because of their religious beliefs and the social stigma. If she ever broke out of the Christian anti-divorce mindset I'm sure she'd file immediately.
I don't understand how people like Sister Cindy are allowed on college campuses. If anyone like that had come to my campus while I was in my college, I would have felt so unsafe. I wasn't putting myself thousand of dollars in debt to have some stranger call me and my friends degrading names while we're walking to class! She's not a teacher, not putting on some extracurricular activity...she has no place on campuses. College students should not be some "preacher"'s conversion hunting ground.
Jed and Cindy came by my undergrad and graduate campuses. In both cases, they were only allowed on the campus free speech zones. There's cool people who would hang out in these free speech zones that were so much better than the preachers--my graduate institution has a local guy who comes everyday to play hackey sack, and he did it for years.
Same thing with my camper. Public universities are public property. Anyone can enter and go mostly anywhere they want. Until they cause trouble and campus police are involved.
When I heard Sister Cindy speak , I took some time to ponder 💭 her position and I decided that I was morally correct with my sexual behavior. Wild views are part of a real education. Self reflection.
yup. even the yelling and offensive things she actually says should be grounds for removal, right? like idk much about the states but i’ve never even seen a preacher at aussie universities in the first place either lol
i hate when people yell- i would really dislike having that on campus…
True, but it seems the kids are alright and handle it beautifully with laughter. Preacher lady is just too dense to realize they are making a spectacle of her.
UNSAFE?! Because of an old crazy lady screaming nonsense? I'm surprised she's allowed on college campuses simply because her screamings have no education value. She's like a random crazy person. It's clear that the students are making fun of her.
in the MOSTTTTTT respectful way possible, morgan sounds just so…exhausted. i completely understand she’s pregnant and everything considered, i just feel like the not wanting to do youtube is getting to her. i feel bad for her sometimes
I feel bad for her every time I see her anywhere within a mile of Paul.
She sounds like she’s on Xanax constantly but I guess when you’ve been married to someone like paul it would be like that
Paul triggers me something fierce, so I had to take breaks while watching this, but I will say that I don't think he asked better questions because he's just winging this. They both are. They're just not entertaining, and their channel is dying.
As for Sister Cindy, I'm a millennial, I have a sense of humor, and what Sister Cindy is preaching is funny to the audience because it's being aimed at people who are more than likely all under the age of 25. It sounds funny and edgy to them, but as an adult, it sounds childish. I think everyone who was laughing, was laughing at her, despite the harmful message. She's replaced the "fire and brimstone" rhetoric with "ho" and "thot" but it's the same message that has been said for eons now. She sounds like a grifter to me, plain and simple.
Also to add, as an elder millennial, we don’t claim Paul! He can stick to Gen Z😂😂
@@nomollysherewe don’t want him either
IMO Paul doesn't ask those questions because he's just not a curious person.
Which is probably why the "24 hours with" series isn't doing well - both Paul and Morgan have no desire to delve deep into subjects... plus Morgan doesn't want to be doing this at all.
You're completely right!
Paul should seriously drop social media and look into being a performer of sorts instead. Theater or the circus. Not even joking or snarking, I think he'd be more successful.
Why do I feel like Paul didn’t push deeper questions bc he likes what Cindy is doing and he agrees with her. He’s almost giddy seeing Cindy get all that attention.
Also I’m sure he did minimal question planning and just doesn’t care haha
Also, he fundamentally agree with Sister Cindy's principles, even if he is unccomfortable with her methods, so he has no reason to challenge her given his general state of incuriousness. They don't do this to learn; they do this to reinforce their beliefe system; and that's fundamentally boring.
Edit: I should read replies more carefully :-D
It was so sad to hear Morgan say she thought she was a ''ho'" for having pre-marital sex and then her husband DOUBLED DOWN ON THAT BELIEF, it was so toxic
Sister Cindy came to my campus when I was in school, and it was very clear that absolutely no one in the crowd took her seriously at all. Which, I think was the best case scenario bc her message is harmful to both women and those who follow the Christian faith.
After Sister Cindy's "preaching" was done, she invited a friend of hers up to the mic to share her testimony. This friend spoke about her struggles and experiences with drug addiction, poverty, and domestic abuse. It was intense listening to her story, but the crowd was still so amped up from Sister Cindy's "message" that they continued throwing insults and treating her friend's true, heartbreaking testimony as a joke.
It was really hard to watch, and was proof enough to me to show that Sister Cindy and her "Ho No Mo" brand are only causing harm--both to the crowds that watch her and to the public image of the Christian faith and its followers.
People should not be forming a crowd while she’s on campus or anywhere. They should just keep walking and ignore her. The problem is people forming a crowd just keep walking. Ignore her.
As a german it's so crazy to me that adults can just show up at a school campus yelling about their beliefs. Like if this happened here half of the school staff or the particularly grumpy janitor that many schools have would berate them so much lol. Idk if it's like this in all of germany but around here it's unthinkable at least.
yeah absolutely, you even need a permit for a poster... so you can't just walk on a campus and do a "show" there. Soooo crazy to imagine :D
@@lisasbuntesleben So true!
My dad is german lol agreed yall wouldn't put up with this shit lol
You’ve had to be more aware and careful since the 1930s, it is good to see the awareness of how harmful messages can turn into harmful actions.
It sounds like a Germany thing, perhaps a consequence of the emphasis on “never again”
America has this “let people say whatever they want without restriction if only to avoid being attacked yourself” tendency. Half bystander effect, half misguided understanding of the First Amendment.
Rachel Oates videos are like therapy for me, her calming voice, her reasoning through wild things I grew up with....I am here for this
Oh dear, are you saying that you grew up with kooks like this "Sister Cindy" lady?? My heart goes out to you 😬
@@samwindmill8264 not sister cindy specifically but similar awful things. Sorry for the confusion
She also adds insightful discussion to things. So many commentary youtubers just regurgitate the same things over and over.
@@firebird5265 nothing to be sorry about! You're good 😊
On the surname part, and why I refuse to change mine for marriage..... It's literally the invention of my mother and I. When we decided, now's the time we are gonna run for our life and escape her family built on extreme levels of DV / CSA / whatever you wanna include as abuse - it happened... We changed our surnames. I still hold my birth first name, she changed her *entire* identity of given-middle-surname. That surname is SO important. It denotes the beginning of escaping the worst kind of darkness and the survival of it. The awful times of living in hotels because we had nowhere to go, scared out of our minds we'd be found. The years of her therapy to deal with her childhood. Me learning who I am as a person, a child (I was under-10), independent from the concept of 'family.' It denotes the BEGINNING of a whole new life, and the absolute struggles to get there.
Why on Earth would I ever give something so poignant, important, sentimental, and empowering up...... Just to state, "I am married and I am legally bound to a husband"?
I’m so glad you got out, your mom sounds like a hero. Much respect to both of you, and as a parent, so much respect to her for how hard that must have been to work on herself while also be there for you, while building a new life. Maybe you’ll write a memoir someday. I kept my last name just because my husband wasn’t willing to change his, and I didn’t see why I should resign my identity.
I still walk around with my detestable original surname, because I don't have the money to change it yet. It feels like a curse, connecting me to the worst people I've ever had the misfortune to meet. Sadly, my morther passed away when I was still a child, but I managed to get away when I was 18 and start anew. I hope to one day be able to shed my surname, just like the two of you did.
I'm so glad the two of you managed to get away and start a new life. Wishing you all the best.
This is common throughout history. What a beautiful new beginning. I love it.
Cindy and the rest of Jed's group were a group of caricatures at my college campus. People would often look up from days blending into each other to see Brother Jed and Sister Cindy screaming ("preaching") at students in the middle of campus, only to then realize exactly what time of year it was. People looked forward to making time in their schedules to visit Brother Jed and Sister Cindy's sermons, whether to ridicule, argue, observe, film, or question. It seemed as though the majority of interactions, even at the quite religiously conservative school, were taken as a joke by the students.
As a personal anecdote, I vividly remember Brother Jed pointing my friend and I out across the plaza for hugging as a greeting, calling us out as "filthy sinners". Anything I caught them spewing was usually hateful, meant to provoke and shame people.
Ironic considering Jesus is supposed to be loving of all and stuff. I mean, didn't he help out "prostitutes" or something?? Pretty sure their entire ideology goes against what Jesus is claimed to be, but I highly doubt they even care about that.
😳😳 heaven forbid we hug our friends 🙄🙄 these people are something else!
Every time I saw a campus preacher, it lowkey made me wish I was gay so I could make out with my same sex partner in front of them while giving them the finger. I also considered making a big, bright poster that said, “praise Satan!” and just quietly, casually holding it up as I walked by on the way to class. I really wish I’d had the guts to do it.
People should not form a crowd was any of them are there just keep walking and ignore them
Fellas is it filthy to hug your brother in Christ
6:28 Morgan does everything Paul wants, she says when she wants something but he never really gives in to her. He has considered divorcing and leaving her while she gives him no real pushback or boundaries. This is the TradWife to Poverty Pipeline in real time. He feels entitled to leave her stranded at any point after she has agreed to be a mom. I was so terrified of this being my future when I was younger. It’s just a nightmare scenario for me.
If I remember correctly he said the thought of divorce did come into his head in the first year of marriage which was supposedly the hardest for their relationship with a lot of arguments and Morgan's spiraling mental health. But not after that.
He says "thought". I think it's rare that anyone has never gotten mad enough to fantasize for even one second abt breakup/divorce. I've thought abt breaking up w my LTR but never come seriously close. I just get dysregulated and imagine it cathartically.
as someone who goes to school in the US, our understanding was that these ppl allowed to be on the public campus and can’t be removed as it would be a violation of free speech. these people try to get a rise out of everyone so they can be removed/physically confronted and then sue.
and sister cindy is not unique. this happens everywhere all the time. it’s a business to them, they do not care abt ‘saving souls’.
When I saw the names "Paul and Morgan" in the notification, I feel like this is gonna be a cringey video but watching the intro and finally met Sister Cindy, oh man, this video is gonna be wild. But at the same time, I'm gonna watch it to support Rachel. If Rachel had to suffer through this while making this video, we have to suffer as well but we got this
They need to ban her from entering campuses. If it were from genuine concern for her mental health and not ban her, is it even a genuine concern if zero care is given to the students that cross paths with her?
Great video as always.
Yeah, she should be banned from campuses for the mental health of the young women she's screaming ugly words at.
She needs to be banned from society as a way to stop her from starting a messed up cult...
@@SusanForeman1963 Hell yes.
As someone who grew up in a deeply fundie environment, I really appreciate all the fundie content you make. I don't know if I could ever explain how cathartic these have been
I hate the idea of children being brought up around this unhappy marriage and such oppressive harmful values
There was a really problematic evangelist who went by Bible Bill who was banned from my college campus while I was there. I saw him preach a couple times, (mostly because he was right in the middle of campus where I needed to walk) and a lot of it was telling people reasons they would be going to hell. He finally ended up not being allowed back when he told a young woman on her way to the gym that she deserved to be raped for wearing shorts, so apparently that was where the line was for that university.
Good. She had a line, he faffed around and found out.
A preacher told me I had a "great body" once when I was 18 on campus, and the whole crowd looked at me 🙄 (I have big boobs)
@@SpecialBlanket yikes, I'm sorry. Creepers are awful.
It’s sad how colleges don’t interfere until it gets to that point. I know that it’s public property but it’s spreading misinformation and harm to others. There were anti LGBT people on my campus and no one did shit. I left that place it was so toxic ugh
@@SpecialBlanketOmg I’m so sorry that is terrible
I'm a hospital housekeeper, and your videos often play on my phone as I clean rooms and other spaces. It can be rough, but your energy and inclusive takes give me something fun and validating to focus on. Thank you so much!!
Ngl, I'd love podcast versions of your videos on Spotify or something! Since I can't watch your videos as I work, a strictly audio format would be super awesome!
Thank you for your service in the hospital ❤
something i’ve found interesting about the idea of first names vs. surnames is how people tend to refer to female public figures by their first names but refer to male figures by surnames (such as hilary vs. trump). it’s a subtle example of misogyny where women are (perhaps subconsciously) seen as not deserving of the respect of a last name. i’m a journalist and it’s always been emphasized to make sure to refer to women by their last names in articles because of this, but your perspective has me thinking about WHY the last name is considered more respectful professionally and what that in itself says about a patriarchal name being seen as more proper than a given name. really interesting to think about
When I was in college (2016) there was a couple from the US (I'm from iceland) who showed up on campus. I was in a very liberal and artsy college, and Iceland is also not really religious and very liberal. This couple started preaching in front of the main entrance, a lot of us (me included) just started making out with a member of the same sex and they got scared and left. Insane moment.
Iceland stays innovating :D
I started crying when you were talking about the surnames and patriarchy. My mum passed away almost 2 years ago, and my name is the only permanent gift I have gotten from her (as I look like the mix of my whole family visually). My name was decided by both my mum and dad, but it was thought out carefully and I couldn’t be more grateful. I love my surname as well, because my dad is one of the best men I’ve ever met in my life, but my name really encompasses my family and I’s identity very well.
I never told my mum about my favourite youtubers, as she didn’t speak English, but she would have loved you and your amazing thought process. Thank you for being yourself and for being such an amazing and thoughtful person ❤
Looking gorgeous, as always, Rachel! LOVE the purple eyeshadow and the shirt. Hope you're feeling refreshed and restored after your holiday! 💜🌈✨
I came here to say the exact same thing
Her outfit and makeup are so gorgeous! Absolutely agree!
I started this video disagreeing that Cindy is harmful, bc I was at uni when she came to preach on campus and I had a couple friends who she would consider “hoes” who thought she was funny, and cheered for her. But your thoughts on messages being harmful despite having a positive reception and not being taken seriously really made me think. Your video had really insightful commentary I wouldn’t have otherwise thought of, and I loved your tangent on taking on a husbands name and the concept of ownership and maternal lineage. Amazing video Rachel :)
"Is the compassion in the room with us right now?" And that's me dead lmao
As a linguistics student, the whole discussion on gendered insults definitely parallels stuff I have studied, and so did the surname portions! My teacher actually had worked a lot on the topics of reclaiming insults and slurs, and how marginalized communities can take power back by deciding how to use them. Thank you for all the book recommandations, will definitely look into those!
Isn't language and linguisitics fascinating ? Whenever I hear the word "slut", I remember Shakespeare's phrase "sluttish time".
Isn't Paul being boring and not adding anything to the conversation literally his brand?
I don't think he cares to add anything interesting to every conversation he does. I just cannot stand him
also alright, I hate that I'm having this thought, but you just KNOW that while trying to downplay it, Paul feels so incredibly superior about his 'never a ho' button.
Like that little pin is going straight into his spankbank.
That's because it's the only thing that makes him feel good about his virginity😂 I feel like he was super frustrated he was a virgin and Morgan wasn't
Ffs, “Ho-dom: Not Even Once” would be a far better slogan
Also who is taking this woman seriously? She’s obsessed with sex.
Honestly I love this take on surnames particularly, it reminds me of a line I read in a book like 100 years ago where one woman said to another woman that she didn't understand why children were named for their father's when really they only thing you could be absolutely certain off was which women birthed the child (this was a historical fantasy setting so no dna testing options either). And that always stuck with me.
Secondly, I've been a firm believer for quite a while now that we absolutely need to ban slut-shaming as a whole. Like it doesn't matter how many sexual partner has or hasn't had. We don't need to shame anybody that. It has also made me wonder what would be the better option: to either take back the word and give it a more positive association (which I think in some groups is already kinda happening where people will call each other sluts affectionately) or to sort of bury it altogether. I'm kinda leaning towards option 1 but it's definitely tricky either-way. I do 100% think it should be a gender-neutral term. If we're going to keep it, ANYBODY can be a slut and hopefully, proudly so.
interesting you mention how "slut" used to mean "untidy woman".
In German (or maybe it's just an Austrian dialect thing, not sure) we still say "schlampig" which means "untidy/messy" but also means "slutty" depening on the context. Like my mum used to call me "schlompad" (which is our dialect word for "schlampig") when i had a messy room for example. She also called me a "Schlompn" (noun for "schlompad"/"schlampig") once when i had a particularly messy room. But i think she realized that it could be interpreted that she just called her 14 year old daughter a slut bc she then clarified to me that she just meant to say that i was a messy girl lol.
The more i think about it, the more i think it is a dialect specific thing that we use "schlampig" also as messy/untidy. I think in standard German it is just used in the meaning of "slutty".
Dialects are fun :)
I hope you enjoyed your holiday in Austria :)
It's similar in Germany, Usually we use "schlampig" as "untidy/messy" and the noun "Schlampe" as a derogatory term for promiscuous women, although some older people occasionally use it to refer to a messy woman.
Calling my female friends “schlampig” from now on, thanks!
At least in South Germany it‘s the same. I‘ve had teachers in elementary school call people „schlampig“
Can confirm that in Southern Germany we use schlampig to mean messy, but the noun Schlampe is pretty much exclusively used to mean slut.
For someone who is visibly uncomfortable with the fact that his wife had a previous sexual partner, Paul sure does find all kinds of excusses to bring that up on a regular basis. It's kinda gross.
Also, I guarantee that neither Paul nor Morgan believe there is such a thing as rape culture, so those questions were never even in the same universe as this interview.
He wants to be sure she knows she is beneath him.
I'm always so happy when you upload. You've been very helpful in my deconstruction from Catholicism, and it meant I could give myself the space to convert to Hellenism and accept myself as a queer woman. I'm still on a long road for healing but your channel has been so helpful - a good laugh at fundies while breaking down the harmful views. Thank you for your work Rachel ♥
This is probably going to make me sound dumb, but what is Hellenism? Legit curious, kinda sounds greek.
Hello, fellow deconstructor
@@firebird5265 Hi :)
@@seanboggs215 It's not dumb at all!! And you're right, it is greek. Hellenism is the modern reconstruction of worship of the greek gods.
Just gonna get outta the way a few common misconception - one, the gods are not their myths; even in ancient times the myths were not taken literally and some Hellenists even critiqued the poets for such uncomfortable portrayals of the gods. Two, the gods are not fire and brimstone wrath. They are actually very kind.
My new faith - Hellenism - has brought me a lot of peace and is helping me work through a lot of issues. I particularly love that it's not an orthodox religion, so members are more likely to be accepting of different belief systems and everyone has a unique experience with the gods.
I love sharing about my faith, even if the other person is just curious what the heck I'm talking about. Tysm for asking, I hope that's a good brief answer :)
The firstname analysis was moving and thought-provoking. Mom and I love your videos!
i don't think paul or morgan have the capability to think of constructive questions (why they are the way they are)
I think you've hit on something here, but perhaps not exactly how you intended. In fundamentalist religions--at least generally--you don't question, you're given all the answers you need. It is completely understandable that, if you grew up in that kind of environment, you would never develop the ability to think critically and ask probing questions. Or if you do, you're shamed and/or shown the door...or worse. The people who stick around are not the type to ask questions.
Fundie Fridays has some great videos on these two, so excited for your recent update!
For anyone watching, do remember not to watch their videos directly through UA-cam and other direct media websites. Hate watching still gives them views and money!
Rachel!!! The hair, the makeup, the color palate, the SHIRT, you’re glowing!!!!
Watching the footage of Paul and Morgan having very passive aggressive arguments on camera and Paul saying shit like “it’s nice knowing she can’t go anywhere” makes me so upset and sad. You can tell how miserable both of them are, but ESPECIALLY Paul. You can tell Paul absolutely hates being married to Morgan and it’s just.. it’s sad
Imagine spending hours and hours with the "Hoe No Mo" circus. If I were him, I'd be thinking, "what TF am I doing with my life??? I'm promoting THIS???!?" then again I am not nor have I ever been a misogynist fundamentalist Christian ass hat, and cannot relate to their hateful shaming mentality
Nah I don’t feel bad for Paul however I feel bad for Morgan. He knew about her past, he knew she wasn’t “innocent” and still ended up marrying her just to shame her about it everyday and remind her of her past for no reason. He sounds suffocating as hell
I'm with you on most of that, but not the "especially Paul" part. He's offloading any misery he feels onto Morgan. He constantly belittles her. He talks over her. He rolls his eyes at her. She's desperate for his approval and he gets a kick out of withholding it. I can disagree with everything she ever says and still want to save her from him.
@@iz_u_ru I can see why Rachel would be suspicious as to why she wasn't in the episode. She definitely could have been sick, but there is an added bonus of not having to be involved in this nonsense and having trauma brought back up regarding having sex before marriage. I could see Sister Cindy's message being triggering to her.
@@Sableagle He gaslights her too. He's a narcissist.
I've literally only ever had one partner - we've been together nearly 8 years, we're common-law married and consider each other husband & wife, he was my first date, first kiss, and first time, and I hope he's my last.
The fact that Sister Cindy would still consider me a ho is so deeply funny to me
Firstly the outfit and the makeup is so goregous it makes me want to explore color eyeshadow more! I found at the end when Morgan was talking about how she disliked that no one in her life checked in on her to be quite sad. In my own life my friends and I are constantly checking in on each other about all aspects of our lives and it just sounded as though Morgan didn't have anyone to truly connect to or talk to about whatever she was feeling at the time - especially because it surrounded the topic of premarital sex and would surely be shamed for even bringing up.
Yet another way that purity indoctrination harms women.
Your tangent about names was really interesting! As someone with a hyphenated last name, I’ve put a lot of thought into what I’m supposed to do with it if I ever have kids- do I pass it on? Choose one name? Use my future spouse’s? Some weird name amalgamation? I understand why my parents did it, but I honestly really wish there was a better solution. I love my name, and I’ll never change it, but sometimes I think it’ll put me in a tough spot with some of my family in the future. I really wish there was a better solution to the issues inherent to the whole ‘pass down your surname paternally’ situation.
Ugh I so feel this. I have a hyphenated name and my partner and I are talking about getting married. I said I would never change my name, but I want us and our kids to have the same last name and I don’t think it’s fair to ask him to take on my hyphenated name when his is simple and easier. I wrestled with it for a while but decided I wanted to take his name because I liked it and it would make things easier, with him knowing how much of a sacrifice that would be for me and that I would get full dominion over kids’ given names because of the fact that I’m giving up my name. Might not be the solution for everyone but it’s what we think will work for us 😊
Spanish naming convention seems to have one of the better solutions to this.
For what it's worth, my parents (married) kept their original last names while the kids got my dad's last name (more suspicious at the time for men to be traveling alone with kids).
Even with international travel traveling alone with my mom there were never any issues. No issues with paperwork growing up either.
Completely makes sense to want the same last name as your kids, but (for example) if your partner kept his name it's doubtful there would be any practical issues.
It's really more an emotional question than anything.
@@llynxfyremusic check the link I posted
I have two last names and just picked the one that sounded the best with my Childs fathers last name if that's an option.
When she is performing or making a TikTok, Cindey feels a bit like Michael Scott from 'The Office' 😂
Omg perfect timing ! I was about to practice drawing amd i needed something interesting to listen to ♡
I'm working on my thesis (It's architecture so I always need something in the back) and her videos are always so great for that ❤ Also Alizee dropped a video today, they conspired to make me study
Hope the drawing turns out awesome
@daenerys02 i love alizee's videos too ! binged the Colleen hoover book reviews
And yeah Rachel's videos are so good to have in the background while drawing especially, keeps me company AND very informative
@joymartin602 Thank you ♡♡
Sister Cindy came to my campus in Kansas two years ago and there was just a guy dressed as a clown dancing in front of her 😭
That's the best way imo to deal with these people 😂 non sequitur stuff
At first glance seeing "campus" and "Kansas" so close together made me think you were saying someone showed up dressed as "Krampus" 😂
As a "female" who was raised by parents that never brainwashed me with this bs and only asked for me to be safe, I would probably not throw a second look at some shrieking old woman and go about my way to class that I paid for...🙄
Not a direct reply to things discussed in the video but I wanted to say that I appreciate you leaving in things that others would maybe edit out as bloopers/"mistakes" - a slight stumble over words, restarting a sentence, a pause to think, etc. It feels much more human and accessible and I love it! There's definitely a place for snappy editing but I appreciate the humanity you bring to these topics, from your scripting and careful discussion of the topics themselves, all the way to your editing. Keep up the great work; I appreciate you diving into these subjects so we don't have to.
I always find it interesting that in English classes I was taught to just refer to someone as their last name after introducing them in the beginning of essays. It’s the same for citations.
Makeup and fit absolutely fire! 🔥
The tangent about surnames really got me thinking, love the tangents!
I had to pause the video to listen to the margarita song and now im back
I'd love to hear it. Could we get a link, please ?
I recognize Paul and Morgan from earlier videos. I'm surprised they are still together, keep waiting to hear about Morgan finally getting fed up enough to leave.
While there is (what appears to me) a bit of an abusive dynamic, she's all in on the same beliefs.
While she'd likely be far healthier and happier with someone else, it wouldn't surprise me if she kept the same belief system even without him.
@@thenopedetectivetbh, I still hope she leaves. Even if she’s reprehensible, nobody deserves that kind of abuse, and she’d still be better off without him.
I have a feeling Morgan is getting tired of Paul's s***. I hope that's the case
@@thenopedetective On second thought, given her religious beliefs, divorcing would need to be accompanied by at least a partial if not full deconstruction of her christianity, so it'll probably be a while if ever.
They both seem miserable. In particular, I couldn't imagine being in Paul's shoes spending ANY amount of time with Sister Cindy and NOT coming out of that experience seriously questioning the wisdom of my life choices...
I love the passion and sentiments about your last name, and the idea that you're a product of all your ancestors on all sides, not just one line, and that your given name reflects the love of all your family. It reminds me of my brother: he's got 3 kids and he and his wife planned to name them after the Archangels (they're quite religious). When the last child came along after a longer break, he was supposed to be named our-language version of Raphael, but the older children didn't like it, so they all picked a different name together, as a family. I like that my brother and sister-in-law had a theme for their children's names (they are quite nice names too, I think!), but I also really like that they were okay with changing their plan to make space for their children's opinion and include them in welcoming their new brother.
cannot wait for this. i have so many videos and pictures of sister cindy and brother jed on my campus in 2018/2019. i have a sticker of her and her “be a ho no mo” with my gay friends kissing in front of it. it’s so weird to have seen her go viral. i would never say she was mentally ill, she knows what she’s doing. maybe she’s a bit delusional, but she’s a fundie and she’s tiktok famous now.
Why does Paul look so happy while listening to Morgan struggle that's so fucked up
He's a sadistic narcissist.
Bc he has a lot of subconscious underlying resentment that he hasn't worked through IMO. Also morgan does this to him too. I've seen it both ways although it could be bc she's sick of the "paper cuts"
Paul is the kind of person where it's "death by papercuts" situation that's all I'm gonna say.
I appreciated the aside on women and last names! For anyone interested, I highly suggest reading about "coverture laws" of marriage. Under these laws, a woman's legal existence/identity was subsumed under her husband. This meant that women's identities and rights were literally ERASED when they married. This partially explains why women would change their last name after getting married, as they were now a "part" of their husband legally. These laws prevented women from actions such as owning property, entering into contracts, or keeping a salary for herself (since the husband was the real "person", only he would be able to take certain legal actions). Coverture law was also used to justify denying women the vote. So the background behind the tradition of patriarchal surnames being passed on has a much darker side (at least in places where coverture laws existed).
Cosmetology is NOT a college degree. It is a trade school education and you test for certification with your state.
Your video is like therapy ❤️😭 thank you so much for posting
Thank you for reminding me to watch the Trad Wife video I was falling down a rabbit hole and forgot that it came out, I can't wait to watch it this afternoon
Well that intro broke my anger meter off the bat... this is going to be fun to see if I can make it to the end 😂
Love your shirt, earrings, and eye makeup!!! Always love your insightful and compassionate content!
I love your thoughts on surnames. even before my parents separated and I legally took my mother's surname, I referred to myself using my mother's surname because my father was very uninvolved, and I felt his name shouldn't apply to me -- I was 8 years old when I first felt this strong discomfort of a paternal surname that you talk about, and it wasn't until now that you really put into words the deeper reasons why I felt this way. great insightful video as always!!
Judging by how Cindy behaves, I think there is some underlying mental issue that leads her to hold these beliefs, but the way she goes about preaching them is a choice. She chooses to be offensive and aggressive, because as someone pointed out, she's perfectly capable of not doing that in all those on camera interviews.
My son has my name and my parents were 3rd cousins, so they had the same last name. I'm so happy I could give my last name to my son and he's actually named after his great grandfather. He was a very good man who went through so many tragedies in his life, but always remained true to himself. He was actually the first atheist in the family. He became one in a POW camp where the Soviet soldiers took him after the battle of Budapest. He was a civilian because of health issues. He almost died. He never explained what happened, he just said that there can't be a god after what he saw there.
i absolutely love when you reference something 'being an autistic thing' 'cause i know you haven't known about this neurodivergence of yours for that long and it's so endearing to hear fellow autistic people finding out traits they've been derided for are perfectly fine and common among us!
speaking of being nd i also have adhd and i'm already dreading going back to rewatch this video just to find the exact second you reference books, i was hoping they would be listed in the description but then again i haven't checked all the links. i prefer long form content but if having to look for something precise in them it confuses me, oh well that's my problem and i'm interested enough to go and search for those titles 💕
about surnames: i already have a chosen name my family doesn't call me by as they don't understand being trans and i've never been able to stand bearing my dad's surname and wished to change it into my mum's mostly for feminist reasons, but also because despite none of my parents not being great in my country the laws for changing surnames are strict and i couldn't choose my own word. something i love about my mother's surname is it has a strong geographical connotation and can be traced back to her place of birth, and people are discriminated for that origin it. maybe it could be stigmatising to make it mine but i have intense ties with her heritage so i hope to be able to get it done. it's spite as well, partially, to be fair. only drawback is ever since looking into the practice, discovering filing it is expensive discouraged me
wow this comment is full of typos and full on mistakes, sorry if anyone reads it, certain sentences seem to mean the opposite of what i wanted to. i got distracted and made a mess
Thanks for all your consideration of mental health. You create a safe space to disect it and religion and how they can be intertwined ❤
Ohhh hello stunning purple eye shadow!! 😮 I promise to watch the whole video Rachel, I’m just always here for the colourful makeup looks!! Such a 10/10!
Oh no sister Cindy 😂 I love the remix the one woman did of her margarita thing 😂😂😭😭
Omfg rachel that shirt is amazing, and the mushroom earrings are perfect with it 🤩
Rachel, I love your tangents. As a fellow autistic person, language and how societies and cultures shape it is one of my interests so I’m here for it.
I absolutely love your shirt in this video! It’s giving Ms. Frizzle vibes, in the best way.
Omg you look absolutely amazing!!! I love the colors, I love the makeup! You look beautiful!
Rachel, that top and eye makeup compliments you so well! 🤩
1:06:22 : this is a great point..“ho no mo” is quite literally AAVE!
I'm only at the start of the video, which I know I will LOVE. But I need to immediately tell you how incredible you look! I love the kinda editorial makeup & the shirt gives Miss Frizzle vibes in the best way. Thank you for giving us such an in depth well done video!
The sheer physical distaste Paul and Morgan have for each other gives me the ick.
As someone who has studied psychology and worked in behavioral health and psychiatric research, I lean more towards not pathologizing bigotry in psychology. All people have a certain lens and schema through which they perceive reality and I have seen that people who considered themselves “wild” before becoming a Christian tend to behave in a very watered down similar way to Cindy or on the other hand they may be the most compassionate and empathetic person who wish to not perpetuate feelings of shame. I think it comes down to how people interpret or interact with the Bible and Christianity.
Saw sister Cindy live last semester. Definitely was an experience. No one was taking her seriously and my school isn’t even the most liberal. 😭😭
im midway through this video and i want to say Rachel i love your tangents!! ive been subscribed for at least 6 years now also were both autistic! i love your content and i could listen to you talk all day, i think youre very valid and in my opinion when you go off script and are speaking from the heart is my favorite part of your videos❤️🤍(thats also why i like watching you LIVE as well) unfiltered you is awesome and im here for it!! p.s. im sorry that my grammar is really bad
To the question of whether Cindy should be banned from campuses, even if she's experiencing delusions, I very much think she should be banned. She is harming people and it doesn't matter whether she's mentally ill or not. She should be banned from canpuses and arrested if she continues despite the ban. This arrest may lead to her being put in a mental health facility (which yeah there's a lot of bad stuff going on in them but there's not much else to put here) and depending on whether she suffers from any kind of delusion she may be prescribed anti-psychotic medication or something similar. After a bit she can very much be released again since the charge that she'd get would most likely be trespassing. If she has someone to take care of her, that would be a good option too and if she's aware enough to understand that what she's doing is illegal and wrong, she should end up getting either fined or put into prison because she repeatedly would've violated the law in that case.
Love your videos ❤ thank you for your work Rachel!
Not me cackling like a banshee on the ferry home when Rachel said “I thought it was performance art” ☠️ as an alumna of UW Madison, it was nice to see the younger generation of Badgers shut her down.
"Cackling like a banshee". 😄.Thank you.
My undergrad was in a pretty conservative small town (in the US), and we used to get angry campus preachers all the time, though I don’t think we ever got Sister Cindy. It was always bizarre though, because they always got furious reactions-to the extent that they had to be cordoned off from angry students-but all the ire came from very devout Christians who hated the way these proselytizers made them look. (Despite the fact that many of the protesters were only slightly less hateful in their ideology.) As a burgeoning atheist, I thought the preachers were more of a nuisance than anything else because they always set up in front of the building where most of my classes were. Most of my friends who were gay, atheist, or progressive Christians were more upset at all the protesters giving them attention, since attention is their goal and they’d have no reason to come to campus if people would just ignore them.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Rachel put more time and effort into to researching this video than Paul and Morgan spent on the whole video
I find it interesting that these preachers just start screaming at everyone. Having gone to college (bachelors and masters) it's just not as active as people think. I think these people were a bit wild so they think everyone else is too. I'm sorry they are ashamed of their actions but that doesn't give them any insight to the actions of others.
That is my impression of her too. Especially since she starts with: "I planned to seduce this guy that I wanted to expose" - so sex was something so casual for her she thought nothing about doing something physical with a guy whose message she actually wanted to expose. I'd say it says more about her habits than most of other people's. [edit] of course this is not to shame people who have a lot of sex with different persons. I just mean that I don't think most people are quite that sexually active, and out of those who are, I think very few would have sex with someone they actually dislike just to prove a point.
@@AW-uv3cbYeah I got some projection vibes as well. I wasn't brought up to be ashamed of sex outside of marriage but I would never consider even flirting to control someone, let alone trying to fully seduce them.
Had to pause what i was doing as soon as i saw the notification for this. Love ur vids ❤
why Morgan always looks so groggy like she's just had 20 random pills of whatever the strongest drug she found laying around
When you have severe mental health issues it's quite common to be exhausted or "groggy" all the time. Researching BPD for myself and my own issues I could see that being the issue. She's not in treatment or on meds anymore.
I mean, she hates making these videos, has a little kid, trauma from the birth, another unplanned one on the way, unstable financial situation, mental health struggles, a husband who seemingly pressures her into things and is not that empathetic, now more than ever we might understand why she would be groggy.
I would personally like to thank Sister Cindy for inspiring the Margherita Song, everytime it comes on my gym playlist I think of her😂🍸
A diagnosis is a responsibility, not an excuse.
Adults are responsible to manage their own issues and to ensure they're not impacting others in a negative way.
So I think critiquing their behaviour and their impact is completely fair and reasonable.
P&M aren't responsible with their mental health diagnosis. That's the real issue and A LOT of ppl are the same way it's just P&M are public. I have a TON of mental health issues, I don't use them to excuse hurting ppl. I've been in therapy for 9 yrs and I'm starting medication soon.
Paul acts like he rescued Morgan from the fires of hell and she isn't sufficiently grateful for his act of heroism, and she acts like she's always stoned.
She's dissociating
I will always love your tangents! Names and words have power. ♥️
She came to my campus once and was posted up in a really public area. She had a crowd who was clearly making fun of her, but it was still really frightening because you didn't know who in the crowd agreed with her and who in the crowd was just there to make fun of her. As a visibly queer person I wasn't even willing to walk to class that day.
That is the hugest issue with these types of people attending college campuses they make people feel uncomfortable in what should be their safe space. Sorry that happened to you.
I love the tangent on names. I totally agree with your sentiments. My partner and I are getting married next month and we are both taking a new last name. We will have our own name and it will be all ours. I’m so happy!