The YouTuber Murdered By An Obsessed Fan | The Case of Christina Grimmie
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- Christina Grimmie was a popular UA-camr and American Singer with an explosively successful career. But following the grave actions of a deeply disturbed individual, that would all change in the mere blink of an eye. Was her death preventable?
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00:00 Intro
01:15 Christina Grimmie
03:40 Grassroots
05:44 A Rising Star
08:09 Christina's Personality
11:18 Danger amongst the shadows
13:26 Unhealthy infatuation
15:06 June 10th, 2016
17:25 Preventing Christina's Death: Kevin
18:12 Preventing Christina's Death: Venue
21:08 Aftermath
24:06 Outro
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"Christina instead opened her arms for a hug..."
That part made me tear up a little.
I know! She was simply expecting another friendly encounter with a fan, and there was no way she would anticipate what would happen next. 😞
It made my blood boil, the fact people like that stalker exist disgusts me. I feel stalking should be punishable by death and the method should be 40 days of pure torture, and finally killed by skinning and cannibalising them.
There are more people who don’t know who she is
Yes, that dusgusting man didn't even give her a change...so weird.
@I HATE KNEEGROWS is that a joke?
"She'll never accept you" She literally approached him with open arms.. and he responded by killing her... It wasn't love... it was infatuation.
Obsession. It's a dangerous thing.
Infatuation literally means passion.
@@animemay5491 passion is defined as strong and barely controllable emotions, making them very dangerous tendencies if applied to something or someone that can’t reciprocate accordingly
@@hdofu literally looked up the definition before commenting, I meant what I said. Goof obsession can be any unhealthy passion
HE WAS A DERANGED PARASITE !
I remember her death caused a lot of changes in how influencer/internet stars security changed. It used to be kinda odd for serious security protocols to be put in place for anyone besides big celebrities. Meet and greets and fan events for youtubers used to be a lot more lax and carefree than what we see today. I also remember a bunch of youtubers stopping meet and greets or getting anxiety from them.
Yeah, I also remember there was a shift in UA-camrs revealing any personal details. They would hide addresses/local places they went to/etc. I don't at all blame them, its hella scary that these people can track them down.
So true 👍
Also I believe vidcon was shortly after, and there was heavy security there because of it.
That she offered a stranger a hug made me really sad. The Plaza is definitely at fault for providing inadequate security. They fired a staff who probably knew their jobs are replaced them with volunteers.
I seriously have no idea what to say about Cristina's death other than it's awful the way she died so young at 22 years old
Family should have definitely sued
@@aznreaper07 but there was no one to sue? he was alone and by himself and he killed himself. maybe if he had a loving family. like even just 1, he would have been in a better mental state and this might have never even happened
Not every security person is aware of every stalker. Unfortunately sometimes things happen that are beyond control..
@@yespls4184 but every security person should pat people down, especially suspicious looking people and people at meet n greets
For me, the most heartbreaking thing is that she was shot to death while trying to give her murderer a hug. What a monster. If he thought killing himself would allow him to escape, he soon discovered how terribly wrong he was.
i dont really think, that he thought, he did something wrong. He was probably more like, if she is dead and i'm dead, then we'll see us in the afterlive or some other delusional thought.
Where's he buried, i gotta few friends who wants to piss on his grave.
@@meik1934 I was thinking the excact same thing. He was afraid that he would lose her to someone else, so he "forced her to always be with him"
What do you mean? He did 'escape' by killing himself.
@@Aerophina Dead means no punishment for your crimes.
I'll never understand why these stalkers want to end the person they claim to love so much. Rip Christina. 🌠
It’s a warped way to be bound with them forever- we try to not recall & restate the insane killer’s names- and let them fade into anonymity…but they are insane and it won’t ever make sense to the rest of us. I remember I had just started following her for a few months when she was murdered. She was still a child in my eyes & it was heart breaking. RIP SWEETHEART
“If I can't have you, no one will”
Now they're with them forever in their history :[
They should take a page out of van goghs book but instead of cutting off an ear, they should off themselves and call it a sacrifice. Then nobody would suffer
I gather a big part of it is power. They see the victim as having power over themselves while the victim seems completely disconnected from them. Stalking and shooting both give you control over their state, they can't ignore you and their fate is dictated by your actions. It is a twisted 'taking my power back' thing.
We miss her a lot. She’s such a talented artist…
....
"She approached him with open arms". That one really stung just imagining it. I can't begin to imagine how her brother felt. Hearing this really boils my blood.
The fact that her last action on this earth was to embrace someone shows she was definitely an angel. May she RIP.
🙏😢⚖️
An angel huh. That’s definitely an opinion.
@@Josh-bd3mt 🙄
@@Josh-bd3mt ??? are you actually insane? what beef do you have with a girl whos dead, my man
Why does everyone like their own comment?
He made her feel awkward and her reaction was to offer a hug 🥺 what an angel
Apparently, offering a hug was what she always did if she perceived the fan to be shy. She seemed a sweet person. Very sad.
@@JamesThomasJeanshow did he make her feel awkward? Is that what it said in the video?
@@nsasupporter7557 I mean according to witnesses he just coldly stared her down...
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture8817 oh for real?
I was under the impression that he was waiting in line for his turn to meet her so she didn’t see him until he actually pulled out the gun
@@nsasupporter7557 How would you come to that conclusion? She offered him a hug after recognizing he was maybe shy and overwhelmed because he was just staring at her in silence, so there's no way she only noticed him after the gun was pulled if she had enough time to assess his demeanor and offer a hug in response to his awkwardness before actually being shot, not sure why that was your assumption.
These kinds of situations are always preventable. The lack of security, not even do a check in before getting in to meet and greet your idol? Even night clubs have security where they check if you got anything on you. I never heard of this talented young lady until now and it breaks my heart. My thoughts and prayers go out to her brother and fans. Stay safe everyone!
Judging by the amount being charged 15$ per and there being like 500 to 700 people that's like 7,500$ to 9,000 roughly.
After paying to rent the place out and paying promoters etc doesn't really leave a ton to pay for top notch security.
Also since most her fans were teens they probably thought there wouldn't be a threat
He had a gun He simply Cloud have start Shooting His way Inside. But yes Security is a must sadlx
From doing deeper research, the plaza where she performed had just been bought out by new owners and they didn't have security set up. Coincidentally Grimmie performed during that time. I still speculate she was set up. Someone hacked her Twitter the night she passed and posted "The End. " Police investigated the killers room and found that he wiped out his computer hard drives before driving to kill Christina and himself. I'll never get over it.
apparently, having to show identification for anything in the U.S. is considered incredibly racist
You'd think Venues would learn when similarly Dimebag was shot and killed by an obsessed fan at a concert, even if it's not someone as popular or as well known there's a lot of evil and sick people who could hurt someone at a meet and greet, so there should always be Security no matter how famous the Artist is, I mean here in the US getting a gun is extremely easy.
I vaguely remember this happening. Such an utter waste. She was a talented and charming young woman. Sadly psychos are a thing and make the world a worse place for everyone.
From memory her murder was completely overshadowed in the media a day or two later. I can't remember what happened but something big happened that took all headlines away from her murder.
@@roberthoward9500 I do. It was the Pulse nightclub shooting, in the same city she was murdered in.
What happened to her was almost symbolic of the 2010's.
It went from early optimism, and abruptly changed to distrust. Because some weird people stepped into the frame. Basically uprooting an entire generation of pop culture.
It doesn't have that grassroots feeling anymore. It's women not trusting men. And the men who aren't nuts have to play this weird Social Darwinist game now....
@@nathanhosea489Nate, an FBI special agent in charge is referred to as a "sac", assigned to Pulse club shooting was sac Paul Wysopal....rearrange the 14 letters: all u c was a psyop 🤔
@@kevinwalsh4652 Interesting.
She approached him with open arms...she was going to give him a hug before he killed her. That's the part that really gets me.
@I HATE KNEEGROWS joke?
@@totallynotimari he s litrtally in the same mental health category as the killer if he finds this funny
@I HATE KNEEGROWS incel
Agreed! So beyond despicable!
That's what makes this so tragic if I'm being honest
I remember I discovered Christina Grimmie when she did a cover of “just a dream” with Sam Tsui. She had a gorgeous voice and soul. Rest In Peace Christina ❤
She had a bad case of, aren't I extraordinary, Look at Me ism
I went to high school with Sam Tsui and Kurt Schneider!! We had chorus class in middle and high school in Pennsylvania!
@@breakmylegs7294 wtf? so you mean a normal musician? You need to self promote to follow your dreams and that’s all she was doing.
@@breakmylegs7294 That sounds incredibly presumptuous, disrespectful and downright unnecessary.
@@breakmylegs7294 All successful people are like that. No one succeeds being an introvert
I found Christina's youtube in 2009, probably off of the party in the usa cover. I loved her videos. She could sing, she had scene hair, and she always had those Sonic posters behind her. She was everything 11 year old me wanted to be when I got older. Years passed and I slowly stopped watching her content as she got bigger, but I remember learning of her passing, and how it happened, and it was like someone had ripped that piece of 11 year old me away and spit on it. She was a pure side of content, a pure side of the music on UA-cam. She deserved nothing less than the most happy and peaceful life possible. I don't want to believe a crazed man could strip the world of something so kind.
Truly such a shame. She and I were born the same year and she was part of the OG youtube era that's nostalgic for my generation. She was one of the first regular people who managed to start a music career via youtube and it was cool to see it happen to a sweet, geeky girl. She was only 22 when she died. She surely would have gone on to have a great career and help bring joy into many people's lives. Her boyfriend at the time is also a singer/musician and after she passed he had various struggles including dealing with brain cancer, but I think he's doing alright now. Just a lot of pain surrounding all this. So sad this stuff happened to such good people. RIP Christina
....wrong
@Christina Grimmie was an ACTIVE SHOOTER DRILL unspeakable things should happen to you.
@@christinagrimmiewasanactiv1847 Than say something already !
I can't imagine what went through that poor girls head in her final moments. Going from having a good time meeting your fans on top of the world to a nightmare and realizing you're about to die. Just so sad 😔
looks like a 40 cal
Probably a bullet….
@@panterabreath4235 Edgy
I remember...poor girl. She really didn't deserve what happened to her.
Thank you always, Adrian, for being so respectful and informative about the cases.
I was going to say exactly that. I won't repeat it, but that's just how I feel. Thank you Adrian.
I remember hearing about this when it first happened. I don't understand how some people can be that obsessed with someone.
This is so sad, She was too young
I mean why not?
Totally agree girl. He’s extremely respectful when telling these stories. Unlike “the chapter” who is all upbeat (forced) and cracking jokes that aren’t even funny all the way through his videos when he’s talking about murder. Disgusting.
Still can't believe that she's not with us anymore. She's such a beautiful humble kind soul. And was so talented. I'm such a big fan of hers. She will never be forgotten. ❤ she deserved better.
She didn’t just pass away…. She had a lot to live for and her life was sabotaged. RIP Christina
I'm just 2 years younger than her, and this was such a golden age of UA-cam. She was everything I wanted to aspire to as a young teen; the hair, the style, living my early 2000's teenage dream. She was an incredibly sweet soul and an angel on earth. She even tried to hug her killer that everyone saw as an awkward and strange older fan. Why do stalkers insist on killing the person they claim to love so much? It's heartbreaking. I hope Christina is in peace and that her brother and family find found as much peace as they can.
Who can really know unless he was diagnosed by a mental health professional, but even these evaluations aren't always accurate. It looked liked he waa obsessed with her, and knew he could never have her, so it's as if I can't have you, nobody can. I could be wrong here too, it just may have been a case of hate and jealousy. He was no doubt a sick individual.
We heard the story, thx
Because it's not love it's infatuation. And that can turn into hate.
They are in love in the idea of being together with that person, but not the person themselves.
And when they notice that they can't get that person. They think selfish.
Like if I can't have her no one can.
It's
It's NOT love. It was lust and an obsession to have her, because he felt he was entitled to her and if he couldn't have her no one else will. In his twisted mind he thought he would finally have her in an afterlife. He wanted total power and control over her. I bet anything he was also an incel. What's scary is the number on very disturbed incels are growing. Too many wackos out there and too many entitled incels out there.
The same thing Yolanda Saldivar to Selena Quintanilla....."If I can't have you, no one else can."
“His mother would beat him with a frying pan, throw dishes at him and apparently she even broke his brother’s arm.
In 2010 his mother unfortunately died...”
Uhh...maybe not so unfortunate. 😳
haha right? Like, the only thing unfortunate about that scumbag "mother" dying was that it wasn't more painful.
My mom did worse to me and my brother and I turned out 👍🏼
@@YaGotToStop I am glad you are here with us! you are a survivor
@ Pistol Parkway, 1) You know because everyone processes decades of torture the exact same way and 2) that not an assessment you make about yourself, that is an assessment others make of you.
I'm not defending this guys action, but the "I was abused and turned out OK" is not an intelligent thing to say. Source: a victim of abuse, me.
@@azuman7 thank you, everyone acts like the outcome will always be the Same
This story brought tears to me. It's one of the saddest stories I've ever heard. This poor girl didn't even know what was coming.
Imagine him spending all the time to lose weight, get ur teeth down and spend a bunch of money to change your look just to kill the person you did it for within 5 min of meeting them..
they didnt even meet; he just shot her. he couldnt even say hi. tf kind of shit is that
@b m I mean to be honest that would be even worse lol..
Hi 👋🏽, Pew.
W.O.W. literally.
@@bm-ww8kb They met. She was about to hug him.
mental issues are pretty rampant in this day and age
That whole weekend must have been extremely tough for Orlando because like, a day later the Pulse nightclub shooting happened. RIP Christina and RIP all those lost at Pulse ❤️
I remember exactly where I was when all of this happened. I was at a conference for school in D.C. and cried in my hotel room at night over Christina's death. Then the next morning my roommate told me about the Pulse shooting and it was all just too much to emotionally handle.
That happened in the same year??? I thought Christina was killed way earlier
@@KenseiAo Yep, same city and within 48 hours of each other :(
@@KenseiAo yeah Christina was the 10th and pulse was the 12th
Now it makes sense why I never even heard about this before today
I remember coming across Christina when she had started singing in her bedroom with a keyboard on UA-cam and I was so excited when every new cover would come out. Was stoked to see her gain such popularity in the major spotlight. Was devastated to see she had been killed. A true loss of a wonderful soul
Right I’ve been on UA-cam since I was a young teen and I remember her the same as you do 💔 I didn’t know she passed until seeing this I didn’t follow her like that. Terrible
So sad..people are crazy
I found her by the Fireflies by Owl City cover she made. It was sooo pretty and i was so glad when she got more recognition. It's such a shame that this happened to her
I used to play "just a dream" cover over and over.
She didn't deserve to become so popular.
I was devastated when she died. I cried. She was one of my favorite singers of the early 2010s. It's so unfair.
Even though it was so long ago already it still feels like it just happened yesterday. It is just so unreal that this happened
Beyond the obvious upsetting parts of this story, it pisses me off having worked venue security. You don’t frisk everyone necessarily but adult guys at a show with mostly teenage girls. Yeah you frisk the shit out of them
No you either frisk everyone or no one. Frisking someone just because they look different to other fans is discrimination.
@@Fireglo ....okay you gotta realize that when it comes down to it, an adult man in a crowd of all teenagers, mostly girls, is weird as fuck. Not saying they deserve to be roughed up during the frisk, but adult men in crowds like that when they aren't relatives can be off putting.
That being said, frisk everyone. But it's just creepy looking in general to see an adult in a crowd of child fans. You have to know there's people that sexualize artists, regardless of age. Hence why there's those creepy countdowns waiting till child stars are 18. The whole industry is gross and causes tragedy
@@droc5427 no I don't gotta realise that because it's untrue. Like I said frisk everyone. Only frisking someone because they don't fit the average demographic is discrimination. What if there was only black guy at a show where the rest of the audience was white? Would that not be racist to only frisk the black man?
@@Fireglo Discrimination is good sometimes.
@@Fireglo so police shouldnt investigate someone specifically after a crime because theyve been seen there and were suspicious?
She was one of the few cover artists I followed back in the day. She had a lovely voice and I couldn't wait to see her grow. Anyone who hasn't listened to her music should do so. She was very lovely. Rest in Peace Christina. You deserved better.
This is one of Adrian's videos I'm not going to be able to watch. Christina was amazing vocally on UA-cam, amazing on The Voice and such a genuinely good person on top of it all.
She had such a beautiful voice. Just a Dream is one of my favorite covers and I think it’s one of the best covers made.
I only discovered her music recently (2022). While trying find out more about her (like why isn't this person a huge star?) I then came upon her tragic story. I was devastated. I had only had known her songs for a few months and all long after she was gone, but I felt like a fan true from along and then was shocked by the news. Such a shame. I still have her on my playlist and listen to her music during workouts. God Bless Her and her family and keep her alive by always putting her out there.
Same, I listened to her in 2020 and was shocked when I found out she had been murdered.
This is heartbreaking, she didn’t even know this man. When he did meet her she was super sweet and didn’t even reject him. She was so young RIP Christina 💔
A truly sad loss , she seemed truly kind and sweet.
Everything about this is so similar to the murder of Rebecca Schaeffer by Robert Bardo. She was a rising actor, not a singer, but it’s otherwise identical.
@@Hutchsky YES, you are so right!!
@@Hutchsky I've never heard of Rebecca Schaeffer what film did she appear in please leave a reply on my post.
@@andrearossini6619 She become pretty famous for playing the sister on the 1986 CBS tv comedy series “My Sister Sam” alongside Pam Dawber (from “Mork & Mindy” with Robin Williams). I used to watch her when I was a kid. She was super sweet, funny, talented and kind.
I think what I love most about this channel is you don't just talk about the killer and the crime, you highlight the victim, how beautiful their heart was. Showing their lovely spirit and impact, that's why this channel deserves more love.
.....there was no crime.......Just for the record, there has never been one ounce of confirmed proof that this story of Grimmie getting killed was real. There are no public records for any 'Kevin Liobl', living OR deceased. A random driver's license photo with no further info on it is not proof. There are no other photos of this guy and there are no other indications that he ever existed. I also have reason to believe that this was another DHS exercise like the Pulse the following night. The mainstream media got out of the news reporting business decades ago and are now being used by lobbyist to produce propaganda for their agendas. That is why you can't believe what the media tells us now. They have been busted and debunked many, many times before for reporting false narratives. When you have far more questions about an event than media can answer, ..........chances are that it didn't take place like we were told.
I don't know if you watch crime shows or other people's channels but they all follow this format...
@classicstorm not all other channel just focus on predatory
@@markkelly9095hat special format is given to serial killers. And only because those predators go after nobodies unlike criminals who go after celebrities.
This made me cry. I still watch her videos. Christina Grimmie forever.
And this is why if I was famous, I’d be terrified to interact with fans anywhere but a very controlled environment.
I wanted to ask you if you could talk about a case from Germany. Early this year two police officers were murdered by poachers and their murders shocked all of Germany
this seems would be as very nice story
Im from Germany,where did that happen! I had no idea!
@@michaelmuli265 nice story? excuse me?
@@dinariddle1696 i would assume english isnt their first language- before you go jumping down peoples throats.
@@specialwiener7046 In Rheinland-Pfalz. Soweit ich weiß waren sowohl die Polizisten als auch die Wielderer Saarländer
It's unfair to blame those around someone as "They failed to get _____ the mental health assistance so desperately needed" when in reality, you can only do so much but if someone won't cooperate or are willing to help themselves then you're just working in vain.
exactly
on top of that, mental health issues is still no excuse for freaking killing someone in cold blood. He may have had bad mental health , but he was pure evil regardless and consciously chose this path.
Yup, agreed. I mean some people will definitely respond positively to proper help, but for the most part people are going to do what they’re going to do; be it self harm or harming others. The impulse is there and festering unless there is a true epiphany from within the person themselves.
Yup...as mentioned a couple times he hadn't posed any danger to anyone at that point, so there really isn't much you CAN do, unless he wants to do it.
Some. People. Are. Just. Bad.
Such a tragic case.. Great coverage as always Adrian!
Thank you for shedding light on this. Christina Grimmie was a huge inspiration to me growing up, and was the first celebrity death that personally impacted me. Rest in Peace Christina
Still one of the best The Voice auditions.
She wanted to do everything for her mother to see and it was such a tragedy that her mom had to bury her.
I hope they reunited in peace.
I just watched that audition after reading your comment. Incredible.
I couldn’t imagine the trauma the brother went through. As an older sibling I sympathize wholeheartedly because i know i would be devastated.
My heart breaks for her brother, nothing after this could have been easy and he is the one left with the pain. I hope he knows it's not his fault though.
Agree. My brother and I are best friends, I would be so devastated.
me too😥
At the time I was getting into her music I loved her voice, it's a shame that she had to die she was just trying to be friendly to her fans, she didn't deserve to die, hope she's at peace and singing away in heaven, and I have no words for him, but maybe if is mate reported is susptions and the plaza did there jobs right she would still be here. Rip you will not be forgotten by your loyal fans.
When you get an obsessed stalker, you’re in trouble. For years unless something happens to bring it to a resolution.
The ptsd never, ever goes away.
The fear is there forever. It affects every single aspect of your life.
My stalker lasted for 30 years. Yep. 😐
It’s over now. I was lucky.
Very lucky.
R.I.P. Christina 🥺🥺😭
I've had this video on my "Watch Later" playlist for about a week now. I wanted to watch it, but also understood the possibility of PTSD. I was at that concert. I took my then fiance (now wife) and her little sister because I wanted to see her AND Before You Exit. I was the one who wanted to stay for the meet and greet. What's crazy is that I was trying to get both of them to stay, but after the concert, as is common, the line for the women's bathrooms were extremely long. So in frustration, I decided, fine, let's go to the store next door to use the bathroom. Then we heard the gunshots. I ran us out of there so quick and to the car. We went straight home. My work was worried about us, many of our friends knew we were there. My job allowed me to get counseling help, but to be honest, maybe I wasn't the one who needed it. My wife worked at Orlando Health and had to deal with the aftermath of the Pulse shootings a couple days later. It's crazy to think how long ago it was, but how vividly I remember everything. My now sister-in-law seems to be okay these days, my wife and I are good, but trauma, in any form, sticks with you. Christina did not deserve this. Nobody deserves this. And while watching this video was hard, you do an amazing job with your content, and I'll continue to watch these stories. Coffeehouse Crime, thank you.
Lucky you all survived
Glad you are ok
I think the worst part is that she offered him a hug right before he shot her.
She was a kind hearted person that didn't deserve this.
...wrong
@@christinagrimmiewasanactiv1847 Than say something already ! Or you are just a troll?
@@queenkurumi8504 I've spoken of this and every phony event like it for the past 16 years. All I get is censored.
@@christinagrimmiewasanactiv1847 keys without the "e"
@@queenkurumi8504must be a bot or someone who's jealous of her talent
Thank you for uploading this I don't know her but felt really sad that a bright future was taken away. I think it's nothing no one could have control but sad at the same time.
I've literally binged watched every single video you ever posted EXCEPT this one. She was only 2 years older than me when she died and I grew up listening to her and all her music. I loved her personality and she just seemed like a very sweet girl. This video was so hard for me to watch and after all these years I'm still so heartbroken. I never knew her in person but it's strange to think this youtuber you watch everyday like it's nothing, like they're gonna be around forever just...dies like any normal person. She really was an amazing talent and person. She was so young...and I hope everyone who knew of her can find peace eventually
That cover of “Just a Dream” was beautiful. Christina was a talented young woman who didn’t deserve what happened to her. R.I.P.
She wasn’t even that talented. She could sing passably. And who really knows if she deserved her fate. Certainly not some random YT simp.
I agree. I'm not a native English Speaker, so while Christina was still alive and rising I never knew of her. I found that cover much later, and I fell in love with her voice immediately. Only then did I look her up and find out what happened. She seemed so lovely and had so much more to live for, to experience, to show, so much to give to the world with that bautiful voice and smile of hers. It's really unfair. May she rest in peace.
As someone who knew her personally and played games with her (Mario kart) she was the best and kindest person I’ve ever met. I remember talking about UA-cam and how we both wanted to be famous to end poverty.
People will remember her as a singer but those who knew her, will remember that great sense of humor. 🙏
Yeah she’s in a better place now and she’s watching over us now
@@waifunekofiaa3322 She's in orbit? Weird way to become an astronaut but okay...
@@supermaster2012 I'm talking about heaven but if your atheist and don't believe in it tnats fine for you I guess no wonder murder is allowed in athiesm
@@waifunekofiaa3322 That's really cringe and stupid, especially if you stop and think how much murder has been allowed and condoned under Christian sects in the name of god. I don't identify as an athiest personally, but athiesm isn't a religion, there's not a set of rules, there is no bible for athiesm that condones murder or anything else. It's simply a lack of belief in a god or gods. In a sane world this would mean you take personal accountability for your own actions. You can't dismiss what you do and pat yourself on the back because god forgives you. And you do what you can in this life to make the world better. Unfortunately alot of athiests are just as biased and uneducated as alot of christians, so many of them are also science deniers, act the same as prejudice, holier than thou preachers and thinks the world revolves around them.
@@twitch136661 those are most likely cults and I'm not christian since I don't believe In like three gods and athiests don't have any accountability cause they don't believe in anything so yeah they can do whatever they went makes me want to become an atheist now myself haha 😂
I like the way that you describe the locations of the crimes. You always put a positive light on the cities in which the crimes happen. And I get to learn a little bit about those states and cities
Thank you for sharing her story. I still cry for her on her bday. Rest in Paradise Grimme ❤️
I remember Philip DeFranco covering this story several years ago. I didn't know who Christina Grimmie was, but was shocked at how easy it was for an armed person to approach someone like her. I felt sadness although I didn't know who she was. Your coverage of this horrendous crime almost made me shed a tear. Christina extended a hug out to this guy and he shot her in cold blood. And for what? Love? Geez... I feel sick.
I was a fan of Christina. Having known her growth from the start made this so freakin' tragic. Knowing that her last Instagram post was her singing about having a good day, that she was so excited for the gig, that her brother is the one who tackled him to the ground. She was a genuine, real soul preaching love.
Yeah I didn’t know of her b4 this happened. But it makes me very sad. Knowing how that jerk was staring so coldly and awkwardly at her. Making her nervous no doubt. Yet she tried to hug him anyways. And he shoots her. Such a pos. She wdv been huge by now. I hope she’s at peace. I hope he is in hell.
Wasn't love it was lust and obsession and a strong sense of entitlement. His sick twisted need to have total power and control over her. If he couldn't have her no one will. No doubt this P.O.S. was an incel and narcissist
This is one of the saddest stories I’ve ever come across. Christina was a true talent with a genuine, down to earth personality. I also recommend the video from the channel dreading (crime & psychology) also a good overview.
she looks like a pokimane wannabe
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@@scorch4299 Get out of here 🤡 🧌
Damn. Her Covers of "Just a Dream" and "Titanium" where on my regular playlists, I must have listened to them a trillion times. I initially heard of her tragic death, but I was too taken aback by it bc I liked her so much to investigate further, I just new it was an obsessed fan. Thanks for sharing the details with me and the world!
Me and my wife were fans of The Voice and we met her long time ago in one of the meet and greet! So sad… RIP
The most tragic part about this was her wanting to hug him to make the meeting less awkward. I haven't heard about this case but I suspected the murder would have been after the event (i.e. outside the venue) or after rejection, but it seems she was very embracing of her fans, including those faces she hasn't seen before. He had already planned the murder of what he was going to carry out no matter what rather than being an alternative plan.
People need to do more to stop these creeps in the months and years leading up to these eventual outcomes.
And on top of that, his coworkers were worried about his obsession towards her but were not taken seriously...
she is an attention seeker
Creeps are all over the world just like drugs and human trafficking it would never go away all we can do is be cautious of your surroundings never be alone at nights.
@@cubanmissl3818 creeps should not be tolerated , report them when found, if possible shoot them.
So basically all the Simps on OF? All creepy to me imo
I remember seeing this story unfold when it happened and to this day no other celebrity death has affected me as much as this one did. She literally just started her career and it abruptly ended so senselessly. She seemed like such a genuinely great person and the world is a much darker place without her in it.
Its incredibly haunting going back to her earlier videos and knowing what happens later.
Very well done and informative video thanks !...
I remember seeing the news pop up on my phone and i was shocked. I used to watch her back when she was still just posting cover songs on her UA-cam channel and i enjoyed her singing a lot. She had such a beautiful voice. I know she went on to The Voice and got as far as third place. She was very talented and could have continued to be even more successful if she wasn't taken from us so soon
Out of all the reasons the security could’ve been inadequate at the venue.. the fact that it was to CUT COSTS is probably the most infuriating reason…
I was blessed to see her perform in person twice. I’ll never forget it. Nor will I forget the night she died. It crushed me. And then her mom passed two years later. My heart aches for her brother and dad. They’ve turned so much tragedy into positivity. I hope to name my daughter after her one day.
I know, they totally lost their cash cow.
@@retrogamesmadeeasy8058 huh
@@Wafflekin I mean this girl was only good for making her family money, nothing else.
@@retrogamesmadeeasy8058 but why put the blame on the family as if they knew some greasy middle aged looking lunatic was gonna shoot her? Even if it was for the money why do you care?
@@retrogamesmadeeasy8058 right, sacrifices
The fact that she was going to hug him. that moment really struck a cord. I was a huge fan when I was a kid and did stop following her. But seeing her life. It is for certain, she achieved so much and could have continued further. Her reaching out to him. It showed, who she was. A kind, lovely young woman who did not know the evils of the world. Until that day.
I hope her brother is able to heal. The weight of his guilt must be eating at him.
I remember watching her videos when I was 18 years old and always thought what a lovely person she was. After I heard about the accident, It truly broke my heart. She doesn't deserve this and this could have been prevented.
I feel like this showed a lot of UA-camrs the scary reality of parasocial relationships
Bingo. A cautionary tale.
Also shows the viewers too.
@@jnnlis it’s not the creators fault. It’s the viewers. Saying it’s a “cautionary tale” sounds borderline victim blaming, as if to say “well you knew what you were getting into”
@@alskarmode stop projecting onto me. This in no way blames the victim. It cautions against the dangers of mentally ill or violent fans and how potential victims should be protected and contingency plans need to be made for their protection. People are always trying to bicker on the internet. Get a grip. You just made up whatever you wanted to say and attributed that to me instead of having basic reading comprehension.
This was one of those celebrity deaths that genuinely broke my heart. I’ve been following her career since the days when she still only had 20 maybe 30k subs. Watching her go bigger every year even making it to The Voice was amazing. It felt like watching your little sister grow up and reach her dreams. I even had an opportunity to see her live during her event in Manila, Philippines. Hearing her death one Sunday afternoon felt like a death in the family.
It Was A Passing Of Our Family Because We Are All Family Here On Gods Earthly World And Gods Earthly Realm Amen xxxxxxx XXXXXXX Our Good Sister Christina Is Just That Our Good Sister And We Good We Shall All Meet Again Back Home In Our Loveing For Ever Home Back Home In Heaven Amen xxxxxxx XXXXXXX
Why do companies and buildings only increase their security AFTER something happens? They should have done so in the first place. This things happen a lot and they anger me.
It’s like that everywhere with everything! Until something happens even to this very day, preventative measures are NOT taken until something bad happens.
As an example the people who own and or operate venues should be held just as accountable as the perpetrator(s)
@@flovesjesus1052 Exactly.
Parasocial relationships can be a scary thing and it's something everyone should be mindful of if you have a social media presence to any degree. You never know who's watching you and the impact and impression you're leaving on the person. And people are very resourceful. A youtuber I follow once showed a small glimpse outside his apartment. And within a day he had people DMing him his address to let him know they were able to find his apartment just from the look outside the window.
This is why you should never expose your personal life on the internet,recipe for disaster.
Like every gold digger out there
That's why you come with protection
Thats why streamers often do not show their house surroundings. Its dangerous for them, and many would move houses or change numbers when that happens
Christina Grimmie was also in a movie called “The Matchbreaker.” It’s a cute little movie, and I think she would have gone on to be in more movies if her life hadn’t been taken. So sad!
Thank you for helping to keep her memory alive
Wow. She had a beautiful voice and was extremely talented. So sad and tragic. Sadly, like the song says,”only the good die young “
My sister and I were absolute fans of Christina, and had followed her since 2009. Hearing about this was soul crushing and we definitely cried our eyes out. Rest In Peace Christina! 💙
Poor you
🙏🏻
This was such a sad story. This girl was on track to being a star. I remember how upset her fans were. She had created a space where they felt a connection to her. It's a very common thing now but then it was so special.
Oh and a great big congrats to your recent success. It's deserved.
Reminds me of Shiloh and how the walking puss-filled-boil Onision completely derailed her career, right when it was REALLY taking off. Completely destroyed her mental health, and when he finally pushed her too far and she had a mental break, he stuck and camera in her face *humiliated* her at her lowest, most vulnerable point, and put it on the internet to exploit her for views.
It seems like she has done a lot of work to get over all of his abuse and the very public aftermath. And she is working to rebuild her life and career again. But tbh imo her career will never be where it could have had she never had the misfortune of crossing that sentient loogie's path. Who knows how great and successful her life could have been by now if she kept on the track her music career was taking her!!!
Onision needs to rot in a hole in the ground for all the horrible things he's done to several other women too.
It was a very common thing then too. I'm guessing you're not that old or cultured. This literally happens for anyone who dies out in public either by murder or accident.
Boring episode those, as we have heard this case so many times. I won’t be watching it as i know the ending. lol
@@paulwoodford1984 lol then why leave a comment? "Hey everyone!! I've heard this story before! I'm leaving guys! Guys look at me I'm special because I've heard this before!" Lmaoooo pathetic .
@@humanmonsters That’s very hateful but i will let you off this time. I am very forgiving
Even a measly metal detector would have detected the weapons.
i was a big fan of christina when i was younger. i would wait every week for a new video. would somehow download the mp3 of her videos to listen on my ipod. begged my mom to purchase her first ep “find me” and listened to it on repeat. i remember her and her friend making up funny songs called “all that is random” with dance moves and learning them. when she went on the voice i was so proud, someone i had watched and admired for years was finally getting recognition she deserved. i was so excited for others to see her talent. my mom even became a fan. i was on my senior high school trip when i saw on twitter everyone saying “pray for christina” and praying so hard that she would make it. i just believed she would be okay. and then she wasn’t and i was devastated. in her memories i have “with love” tattooed on me. i feel like i grew up with her and to watch her life get cut short, and ive now passed the oldest age she’s ever been is heartbreaking. just heartbreaking. there are no words and never will be.
Thank you for covering this case. Christina was such a lovely person. She was incredibly talented, I wish she was given the opportunity to become the pop star she truly was.
agreed.
Yeah this one had me in tears it's just so horrible and the killer - don't remember his name and don't want to- not being there for any answers or punishment must have been so hard for the family. 💔
This is absolutely one of the saddest, most tragic stories I've ever heard. She was actually reaching out to hug him and he shot and killed her. He didn't love her. That's not love. That's obsession.
Well then you haven't heard shit yet
@@versatileduplicity9313 Just shut up
Pretty sad what happened to her. I love your channel and you are pleasant to listen to. Keep up the good work
I love how nobody talks about how you begin every video by basically doing a tourism video for the state or country where the crime happened I personally love it it’s very unique
I was in Orlando when she was killed and I remember it so distinctly as two days later is when the Pulse shooting happened. It was just so shocking to have so much happen within such a short time.
Wow that's crazy no wonder I never heard of this girl. I live in Pennsylvania and the Pulse night club shooting sent shockwaves through even here. It was the only thing everyone talked about for weeks and weeks and we were all so emotional all the time. I can't imagine living in a place where a major shooting like that happens. 😕 RIP.
i think the pulse shooting happened the night after
You are from Pennsylvania and don’t remember the West Nickel Mines shooting? Squirrel hill shootings? This stuff is happening in our back yard.
@@TheHeed56 but but muh guns!!!
@@mmyehokayyy2 Shall not be infringed.
You should cover Dimebag Darrell’s death (guitarist for the band Pantera), he unfortunately passed in a similar manner. It’s such a shame so many lives were lost in such a horrific way.
I hadn't heard about this but yes I would also like a video on that story
Agreed. A very sad story that broke my heart as a metalhead and former stage musician.
there was even a video of the incident from what i remember
Same situation with Selena Quintanilla.
@@prestonorrick3498 I have been looking for someone who posted/ made reference to Selena. Keeps me from having to repeat.
I loved Christina Grimmie, was a fan of hers within her first year on UA-cam. I followed her so excitedly on The Voice and was crushed when she lost. I lost a piece of my faith in humanity the day she died, and I don’t know if I’ll ever recover it. For someone to take the life of such an amazing, beautiful person is insane.
So sad! Still thinking of this talented star. So sad for her brother. Just a reminder that people that seem.
Normal arent normal. Scary....
In this case I thinl he never seemed normal
yeah what? lol that advice wouldnt have in any way relevant to her
He didn't seem normal from the description. That being said, now don't go around accusing every poor introvert as psychopaths and murderers.
I'll never forget that day. I was at my brother's graduation when I decided to scroll through my phone while I waited for the ceremony to begin. News of Christina's death was at the top of every one of my feeds. It hit me really hard, to the point that it was difficult to smile and enjoy the ceremony, as happy as I was for my brother.
Christina was a beautiful soul, taken from this world far too fucking soon.
I can relate… my sister committed suicide on my birthday, or the night before so imagine what kind of birthday that was
@@nsasupporter7557 I can imagine. My stepmom's dad died on my stepsister's birthday. Me and all of my siblings just sat on the couch in the living room and listened to my stepmom sobbing and saying "no" for hours. Now my stepsister hates her birthday because she says bad things always happen.
@@ladybug8851 I’m so sorry to hear that, my thoughts are with you. My sister committed suicide on my birthday
Never heard of Christina till now. RIP she had a lovely voice and her sibling bond was really sweet.
Same here. Ditto.
Check out the voice performance. Blind auditions. That was the first time I ever came accross her. She was freaking talented.
This made me feel old lmao
Thank you for covering this
To date, there has never been one ounce of confirmed proof that the story of Grimmie getting killed was real. There are no public records for any 'Kevin Liobl', living OR deceased. A random driver's license photo with no further info on it is not proof. There are no other photos of this guy and there are no other indications that he ever existed. I also have reason to believe that this was another DHS exercise like the Pulse the following night. The mainstream media got out of the news reporting business decades ago and are now being used by lobbyist to produce propaganda for their agendas. That is why you can't believe what the media tells us now. They have been busted and debunked many, many times before for reporting false narratives. When you have far more questions about an event than media can answer, chances are that it didn't take place like we were told. Media is government-ran and lobbyist controlled. Do you honestly believe that under their power and influence that the media is going to tell you the truth about anything they report?? And I'm not talking about sports, weather-related, or celebrity deaths........I'm talking about events like Grimmie's where they claim that she was killed,........yet, ...........there is no real evidence to support any of it.
@@christinagrimmiewasanactiv1847 This comment is a fine example of excellent critical thinking. Media and government will always be the deceivers in public society,...always have been as the past decades have further demonstrated.
Awesome channel congrats on Ur successful channnel and million u gave way more info about her then I knew thx
Her story sadly became the prime example to show to online incels who claim that being a woman online is all easy money and sunshine & rainbows while they simultaneously refuse to talk about the obvious dangers that comes with it. Not mutually exclusive to women online either but stalking/harassment is more likely to happen to them
The whole reason 'incels' say this is because being online such as OF is easy money...and with it staying online, it's much safer than prostitution. If a young woman can sell nudes online and make $1million in a few hours then yes, it is easy.
i mean you cant tell me onlyfans isnt easy.
you also cant tell me most female twich streamers arent "famous" b/c of how they dress.
that said treating anyone male or female badly is never ok, period.
I'd deal with all that if I could just post naked pictures on the internt and make bank
Its given that there would be creeps, since they ARE creeps, but its also a given that women indeed earns easy money online lol
One site named Only Fans and women can make money easy.
I was introduced to Christina via The Voice. She was such a great performer with an even greater personality. I was shocked and saddened by her untimely tragic death.
So crazy you did a video on her. I absolutely was a fan of her too and was devastated when I found out she died. She was someone that really fired my passion for music.... rip Christina 😢
Miss her.
wasn't expecting to see this case on your channel. always been a big fan of christina and i remember it was such a shock when this happened.
I remember when this happened, im clearly the wrong demographic for her music so i didn't no anything about her besides she was found via yt. What a tragic story, that poor girl had the world at her fingertips. As someone who has ptsd and other mental health issues from seeing someone shot point blank in front of me, I cant imagine how that affected her brother seeing his sister get shot and loosing her
She was on The Voice too ♥️
*know *losing ♥️
*losing.
I'm sorry that you went through that. Ptsd is a brutal thing to live with and no one should have to witness that type of violence right in front of them.
Hi Coffee House Crime. Adrian, Thanks for another well done video on such a tragic case. That guy must've been totally insane to not have any feelings at all. It's usually stalkers like those that are the worst & most mentally deranged. Hope Christina rests in peace each & every day & night now & always. Love to all, peace, Janine Smiley✌👍🖤❣☕🍰☕🎂☕🥧🍨🍦🆒️🦓🐺🦊🐅🐆👞👠👟👡👒👑💍💎
I remember watching her perform on Disney channel and the Voice when I was growing up. This happened in my hometown and I remember how the city wasn’t even able to process this tragedy because the Pulse Nightclub shooting happened right after. The city of Orlando went through so much during that weekend it was so heartbreaking and painful to witness. I’ll always think of those who were lost that weekend and remember that they’ll always live on in our hearts and through the lives they touched. ❤️
i remember the day i found out she died, i swear the moment is seared into my brain and i think back to it every year. rip christina. she was an angel and so incredibly talented, she deserved to live a longer life.
Thankyou for another amazing story, I’m a Superfan, please continue to make more💛💛💛
I watch a lot of true crime, but what happened to Christina is one of the saddest ones. She was so kind and accepting of all her fans, truly tragic.
As for what could be done, it’s very difficult to convince someone like this to get mental health help because they refuse to see they have a problem and likely don’t have insurance. It’s also difficult to enforce pat-down searches at an event largely attended by minors. A metal detector would have been good but it looks like an event at an old mall so the budget was likely minimal. A bodyguard wouldn’t have been between her and him with enough time to stop him, either. I think it’s important to have these conversations about what we can do. I don’t know the answers but really makes me sad that this would have been so hard to predict or stop.
The famous eminem " Stan" song basically told everything and it highlighted the fact that It is not a joke. Fan obsssesion is a true Society sickness. When you start worshiping people you don't know. Red flags are clear
So sad
One of the saddest? You must be watching G rated true crime...
If I had to choose what 'true crime victim' to be it would be this girl...... she had a great life & went out rather quickly & pailessly compared to most subjects of this genre.
If you report the person to the cops and they get held on a 5150 they don't need health insurance. No one can say for sure if he'd have said anything crazy enough to get held on a 5150 but there's no excuse for not even trying when you know someone is unstable and has weapons.
@@markb6295 nah, I watch it all. I’ve heard of more gruesome and many very sad, but given her age and the background, it’s definitely one of the saddest in my opinion.
Loved her when I was in high school, everyone did. It’s such a damn shame, we were robbed of an amazing artist, and a wholesome soul. I would love to be listening to her new album right now.
You can listen to my all bum
This is a case that always makes me cry. Me and my cousins used to sit around in rooms and listen to her music. I have very fond memories of riding in cars with them with her voice coming through the speakers. She was amazing, loving, and talented. It's sad that the world has been deprived of such an inspirational person.
I remember the day this happened. It was literally within days the pulse shooting happened. It was such a heartache. Especially knowing how kind Christina was
I hadn’t really heard of her before and only heard slight details about this case, so this video was great. Being able to actually see her personality was amazing. This is definitely a sad case, because you can tell she would have been huge by now, and personalities like that make the world a lot better. RIP
Sometimes baby oil and carrots make people do crazy things
she caused this
@@r.m.5548 ? How do you figure?
@@LMakaCobra She spent her life trying to get mens attention, any man at all, anyone with a dollar on a website, what else was going to happen?
@@r.m.5548 You sound as delusional as the murderer. Seek help.