Why Coal Companies Love Bankruptcy

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  • US coal companies are required by law to clean up their old mines, but a common practice of transferring those mines to smaller operators has left many polluted sites unreclaimed throughout coal country.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 319

  • @Kannot2023
    @Kannot2023 Рік тому +227

    If a company declares a fake bankruptcy to run away with investors money it will prosecuted. If it does the same for not cleaning up, they should be prosecuted too.

    • @yaad2226
      @yaad2226 Рік тому

      YO MAMA DID THAT?

    • @michaeld4861
      @michaeld4861 Рік тому +9

      Yeah but who is going to pay? You'd have to hold the executives who profited liable otherwise the company just declares bankruptcy after they've run out the back door with all the money. (Usually via stock based compensation and dividend payments)

    • @yaad2226
      @yaad2226 Рік тому

      @@michaeld4861 yo mama will pay

    • @modemmann303
      @modemmann303 Рік тому +2

      I think that was that hopping into and out of bankruptcy about that the old man with the water under the house mentioned ;)

    • @Kannot2023
      @Kannot2023 Рік тому +2

      @@michaeld4861 because declaring fake bankruptcy is a fraud, the manager of company should be put in jail. If I can repay you a debt and I don't do it, it is fraud, if I am willing to pay and I can't it is bankruptcy

  • @k1ng617
    @k1ng617 Рік тому +275

    This is a perfect example of privatized gains and socialized losses. It's as clear as those former mountain tops.

    • @Robert-cu9bm
      @Robert-cu9bm Рік тому +2

      Socialized losses?
      I think having reliable electricity isn't a loss.

    • @williamwintemberg
      @williamwintemberg Рік тому +40

      @@Robert-cu9bm Reliable electricity has nothing to do with ultimately leaving the taxpayers a huge liability to clean it up. It's all about high level corporate executives lining their pockets and stockholder value, leaving the carnage in the rear view mirror for someone else to worry about. This blueprint has been used every day and week for years by far too many big polluters and it needs to stop for ever.

    • @stephenwest2
      @stephenwest2 Рік тому +26

      @@Robert-cu9bm The losses are the mountains of pollution left behind by coal plants. The privatized gains are the profits that executives at coal companies make. You know this, and this is a poor attempt at defending these hyenas.

    • @gorehammer1
      @gorehammer1 Рік тому

      @zjg4gcvn just because he lacks a solution doesn’t mean you need to defend the problem.

    • @richardprice5978
      @richardprice5978 Рік тому

      @@williamwintemberg would wind or solar farms/renewable's ect fit/work on former or active mining sites that are deforested/de-grass'ed? aka open pit mine as a partial way of the mining corporation to delay forestsing it back aka shubry/grass/crops under the panel's

  • @gr6259
    @gr6259 Рік тому +168

    Govt. should simply collect 5-10% of the Coal Sales as tax for reclamation. You pay as you mine, simple. No legal jugglery can then avoid reclamation. 50-year-old laws should be amended.

    • @Brightearthco
      @Brightearthco Рік тому +11

      This is a great idea, a mine makes billions of dollars until *bankruptcy. They don’t plan for the future so someone should make them!!

    • @rock3tcatU233
      @rock3tcatU233 Рік тому +13

      Those taxes will just be added to your electricity bill.

    • @leonsegade-garcia2936
      @leonsegade-garcia2936 Рік тому +14

      @@rock3tcatU233 I'm so tired of people making this argument. Give us an example or show an academic paper that backs you up, we are not living in the 1950s , we have data, so use it to prove your point rather than making theoretical arguments.

    • @matt_b...
      @matt_b... Рік тому +5

      Lol you sweet summer child.... Government is enabling all of this.

    • @alexlindekugel8727
      @alexlindekugel8727 Рік тому +2

      @@leonsegade-garcia2936 that maybe impossible as rates are set by the power company's in part and inpart by the states regulatory body. and since states usally have a mix of energy that affects price. usually states dont like to rise cost of electricity. and when they do its usually small.

  • @small3687
    @small3687 Рік тому +161

    The answer to this is simple. Enact legislation that requires them to estimate clean up costs prior to beginning. That amount plus 30 percent needs to be held in escrow for cleanup costs by the state. Problem solved. These companies are disgusting.

    • @ignaciocampos8435
      @ignaciocampos8435 Рік тому +16

      The estimation should be done by an independent third-party with participation of locals and a mine can't be transfered unless the reclamation is guaranteed upfront.

    • @danarzechula3769
      @danarzechula3769 Рік тому

      The government who allows this is disgusting. Do you seriously not believe money is changing hands?

    • @MHKing03
      @MHKing03 Рік тому +6

      @@zjg4gcvn Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's ethical.

    • @modemmann303
      @modemmann303 Рік тому +7

      So we do it in Germany (I think). The reclamation-costs are called eternity-costs over here and while operating, the mining company has to create a fund that takes care of these issues for decades after mining-operation ceased.

    • @mutondi
      @mutondi Рік тому +4

      It is in place in other mining countries like South Africa

  • @Tobstarrilez
    @Tobstarrilez Рік тому +26

    Many of the solutions which people are posting are actually present in Australia, where mining makes up a large part of the economy. As mining operations start and continue operating the government requires a % of profits every year which goes into an externally managed fund - which will be used for rehabilitation of the site post the mines life.

    • @effexon
      @effexon Рік тому +4

      excellent! what I thought, only viable and simple way to do it. Also roughly equates damage, ie 1year mine pays less than 5year mine.

  • @haimona12
    @haimona12 Рік тому +36

    Why on earth is there no requirement in these jurisdictions for the mining companies to pay into a State fund for what we call rehabilitation? This ensures that, even if the mining company goes broke, there is still funding for rehabilitation and it doesn't end up being funded by taxpayers. That 1977 "reclamation" law needs amending. Offshore oil and gas companies in Australia were selling down to $1000 companies to avoid rehabilitation liabilities but the Australian government has cracked down on it and the sector now has a large clean up bill.

    • @jonathancote8013
      @jonathancote8013 Рік тому +2

      Lobbies is the reason.

    • @maarten1115
      @maarten1115 10 місяців тому

      Republicans love this stuff. Weird since they are the ones suffering from it.

  • @EjDantes
    @EjDantes Рік тому +75

    Throw the board of directors and CEO's into prison until they start fixing stuff. There is 0 consequences to these companies. Only force will change it, goverment actually doing it's job to protect the people.

    • @nickthequick
      @nickthequick Рік тому +2

      How can you throw people into prison (corrected) if, according to local regulators, they have not acted criminally? If you intend to use faulty morals to put people in prison, then you need to build whole lot of prisons.

    • @nussnougat5462
      @nussnougat5462 Рік тому +6

      This is not about morals but about them using loopholes. These need to be closed and the need to rot in prison

    • @danarzechula3769
      @danarzechula3769 Рік тому +5

      Need to first remove corrupt politicians getting bribed to look the other way

    • @danarzechula3769
      @danarzechula3769 Рік тому +2

      @@nickthequick clearly need a cell for anyone defending this

    • @m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n
      @m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n Рік тому +1

      yeh those folks have been into prison abolition (for themselves) for a very long time so it's zero chance theyll ever have legal trouble

  • @arceusthomas2447
    @arceusthomas2447 Рік тому +54

    Problem can be easily solved by moving the amount for destruction/reclamation cost to a trust as they destroy the landscape instead of waiting till the end of life of the mine and hoping the company would be around at the time to pay for it.

    • @nickthequick
      @nickthequick Рік тому +2

      "easily"? I doubt it will be easy to convince politicians to vote through such laws

    • @Tobstarrilez
      @Tobstarrilez Рік тому +11

      @@nickthequick Australia currently has this in place. In order to set up a mining operation and mine in a site, the government requires money to be put aside in the early stages of mining. A % of profits are taken every year of operation and then is only allowed to be used at the end of the mines life.

    • @xungnham1388
      @xungnham1388 Рік тому +4

      @@nickthequick Then West Virginia/Kentucky/etc have no one to blame but their own state governments. If this needs to be a federal issue, I'm sure it'd be pretty easy to get the dems to back such motions.

    • @nickthequick
      @nickthequick Рік тому +1

      @@Tobstarrilez I am not saying it's a bad idea, as a matter of fact it's evidently the way to go. And because it's so evident and yet not implemented it just goes to show, that it will in no way be "easy". That was my point.

    • @TS-bj8my
      @TS-bj8my Рік тому +1

      In Michigan to open a gas station you have to put enough money into a trust fund before it opens. This fund is to ensure that after the gas station is gone the fuel tanks are removed from the property. Same concept.

  • @haskelldavis5244
    @haskelldavis5244 Рік тому +13

    This is why coal companies make huge political contributions. There is also something called 'engineered bankruptcy.' Planned by attorneys to shed debt.

  • @jamessurveyor4859
    @jamessurveyor4859 Рік тому +9

    Surprising that no one mentioned the origin of Lexington Coal. It was a company that was formed by the original insurance companies that wrote the bonds on a bunch of surface mines. Addington Enterprises maybe. The insurance companies were required to pay for the reclamation of mines. It was cheaper for them to form a mining company to do the work, than to just pay contractors to do the reclamation. Evidently, lexington has stayed in business, probably close to 20 years now.

  • @finnrowden3341
    @finnrowden3341 Рік тому +18

    Big respect for the drone man 🔥

  • @samslaughter6613
    @samslaughter6613 Рік тому +2

    Obviously the answer is to get deposits from the companies based on the cost of cleanup. The deposit is required to get the license until the cleanup is completed

  • @scottyost3318
    @scottyost3318 Рік тому +25

    If they are publicly traded, the best way to go after them is by going after their CEO for breach of fiduciary duty. You the shareholder who owns a share of a now defunct/bankrupt company could make the claim that this is just a strategy.

    • @halffast7799
      @halffast7799 Рік тому +4

      And this is why companies offshore.................................

    • @richardprice5978
      @richardprice5978 Рік тому

      @@halffast7799 but use the USA 🇺🇸 government when convenient or avoiding liability's as seen-convent
      smaller businesses/regular-joe's don't get the opportunity for this bs.

  • @buzz1ebee
    @buzz1ebee Рік тому +41

    Probably too late now with the move away from coal that's going on, but adequate reclamation money in escrow should be required before opening / acquiring a mine.
    When declaring bankruptcy that money should be protected to ensure reclamation takes place even if a new owner / corporate structure / the state takes over. Better not to damage the land then reclaim it in the first place though. This is why markets need proper regulation.

    • @tjakkobosma5872
      @tjakkobosma5872 Рік тому +1

      It might be a drag on coal investment which means that there will be less jobs. It would be a hard political pitch.

    • @jmd1743
      @jmd1743 Рік тому +4

      @@tjakkobosma5872 They're jobs for mostly those who're getting close to retirement. People need to ask themselves who would be having their jobs be saved with these jobs programs.
      It's that way with the SLS program, the SLS program is meant not for going to the moon & staying for the long haul but to keep old shuttle era workers employed. Instead of focusing on the next generation of rocket technology that will feed young families the focus on keeping old timers employed long enough to draw a pension.
      It's not that I hate coal it's just that I now see which demographics are the focus when it comes to keeping the coal plants open for the sake of jobs. I support nuclear power. I support a space program but I don't want to use outdated technology for the sake of 50+ year olds. Those 50 year olds aren't going to save a community from dying off.

    • @Kannot2023
      @Kannot2023 Рік тому +2

      @@jmd1743 old technology has the advantage to be reliable. Soyuz capsule is an example. Germany tries to use hidrogen instead of coal for steel production, but for a long time coal will be used for making steel

    • @effexon
      @effexon Рік тому

      Thing is, apart from fracking and firewood, coal is simplest and fastest way to start expanding power plants... so I dont think it goes away soon. Then if that by some miracle happens in next 20 years, lithium and other ores to batteries and EVs have exact same problems.... need huge quantities of those materials to build these new equipment.

    • @jmd1743
      @jmd1743 Рік тому +3

      @@effexon China is building coal plants as a temporary solution with the long term goal of replacing with other sources of energy such as nuclear due to china's world famous smog problem.
      The real reason American coal miners are bitter about the idea of retraining is that if they were new coal workers instead of having their current contracts then they would only get a fraction of the benefits.
      They're like those older union workers who sold out the younger workers by out0voting them to take a buyout. The old workers would get early retirement + some nice perks and the new workers would get the shaft.
      Coal is not a solution to employment unless you move to a developing nation.
      Countries are looking to ban people who are born after a certain date from buying tobacco products, maybe we should apply that tactic for dying industries such as coal mining meaning if you were born after say 1999 you're not allowed to work for the coal industry.

  • @coalrivermountainwatch938
    @coalrivermountainwatch938 Рік тому +15

    The companies do have to post bonds intended to cover reclamation costs. However, that system is shaky and sketchy, with bonds not being enough to adequately cover the work needing done. And if many bonds are forfeited, the insurers’ viability is questionable. Even most “reclamation” is, as Junior Walk states, little more than a parking lot. And new mountaintop removal is happening now.

    • @duck0fdeathc336
      @duck0fdeathc336 Рік тому +6

      One of the big problems with bonds is most of the old legacy coal companies can self bond . If they go bankrupt they’re bond is now worthless

    • @halffast7799
      @halffast7799 Рік тому +1

      And they pay a tax on every ton of coal they sell, for reclamation funded by the state on old un-reclaimed land.

  • @victorhs258
    @victorhs258 Рік тому +6

    If this really was an issue to the local inhabitants of that area, they would vote in state/federal legislators who would work to solve it.
    Just saying.

    • @coalrivermountainwatch938
      @coalrivermountainwatch938 Рік тому +5

      It really is an issue, but grassroots folks don’t have the $millions that coal companies can put into propaganda and political campaigns. It’s not that simple to wrest power from a ruthless wealthy industry.

    • @ethanhaltom1830
      @ethanhaltom1830 Рік тому +5

      Hi I lived there for a long time, it is very much an issue and this piece barely even touched on about 1/4 of the issues mining has caused in the communities. It is unfortunately a lot more complicated than “just vote”.

    • @Brightearthco
      @Brightearthco Рік тому +1

      Ok but the average American makes les than 50,000 dollars a year!! Very few actually have millions of dollar. Do you?

  • @grimaffiliations3671
    @grimaffiliations3671 Рік тому +37

    They should be forced to clean up after themselves

    • @EcceHomo1088
      @EcceHomo1088 Рік тому +1

      Ask the people who regulate where we can recycle this stuff that question...

    • @spacewalker9375
      @spacewalker9375 Рік тому +6

      They are. That’s why they move assets around and declare bankruptcy. Then you won’t have to be liable for environmental damages. Not enough liquidation to do anything. These companies gets to walk away with their profit

    • @grimaffiliations3671
      @grimaffiliations3671 Рік тому

      @@EcceHomo1088 ?

    • @EcceHomo1088
      @EcceHomo1088 Рік тому

      @@grimaffiliations3671 Are you confused by the complexities of an industry...?

    • @grimaffiliations3671
      @grimaffiliations3671 Рік тому

      @@EcceHomo1088 no, by your comment

  • @hummelperformance
    @hummelperformance Рік тому +3

    Bankruptcy is a loophole across the board, not just for coal companies.

  • @prhasn
    @prhasn Рік тому +1

    How about allowing permits to be non-transferable and taking cost of reclamation upfront from companies profits? This should stop this game.

  • @KingZE-V88
    @KingZE-V88 Рік тому +6

    Big Corporations always have a way or plan to get out of lawsuits against their Corporations always,Profits matter to them.🌠

  • @theravenreal
    @theravenreal Рік тому +8

    You should also take a documentary about the damage the mining has done to materials of the so-called renewables like solar and batteries.

    • @Paulo44.01
      @Paulo44.01 Рік тому

      Do you claim that the impacts of those are greater than the impacts of coal mining and burning? Everything has some impact, but that agenda is pushed by those who want to ignore the damage of fossil fuels and focus on a few birds that die to wind turbines

    • @theravenreal
      @theravenreal Рік тому +2

      @@Paulo44.01 yeah, you can say that because that so-called renewable is less than 2% yet of the world's energy, wait until they push that more in the future years, and it is expensive and unreliable btw.

  • @jeffprice4860
    @jeffprice4860 Рік тому +2

    They should have to pay a bond that way the state has money to clean up after they walk away. When we get a license to dig or excavate we can’t get another license till the first license is signed off it can be a pain but it stops this from happening

  • @srom457
    @srom457 Рік тому +6

    I’m so tired our state being exploited

  • @JonathanBurac
    @JonathanBurac Рік тому +4

    I see a legal loophole there. Why don't US State who is affected by this issue amend their law by including economy-based cleanup liability? Of course, the last buyer would not give that much effort in the restoration phase since they only earned scrap from the early buyers who did not take cleanup liability on account when they sold their permit.
    The only loophole I can foresee in my recommendation is that mining company will now purchase the licenses through their subsidiaries which later on will really go on bankruptcy again. It will be just another "reorganization" form of bankruptcy.

    • @m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n
      @m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n Рік тому

      @zjg4gcvn i think lots of people care but in a few hours time only the mining companies have the resources to fight for their side

  • @disillusionedanglophile7680
    @disillusionedanglophile7680 Рік тому +2

    Send more billions to Ukraine. The people of West Virginia must look after themselves. It's more important that the shareholders get their dividends. The USA is a "rich" country. Flooding is caused by "man made" climate change and has NOTHING to do with bad land management whatsoever

  • @ericallen371
    @ericallen371 Рік тому +3

    This has been an issue forever! I met a guy who was busting these shady companies in the 70s. And that's just when the laws were created. There were no rules before that.

  • @sunroad7228
    @sunroad7228 Рік тому +1

    "No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores.
    No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it.
    This universal truth applies to all systems.
    Energy, like time, flows from past to future".

  • @esgee3829
    @esgee3829 Рік тому +3

    THANK YYOU JOE MANCHIN (and thank your daughter for the opiods)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @grottybt5006
    @grottybt5006 Рік тому +3

    Old coal sites in the UK were the best places to play as kids in an overpopulated country. When they get cleaned up and "regenerated" they become sterile, boring and surveiled with obese people going around in mobility scooters.
    Might be different over there, mind

  • @jeffwindrim975
    @jeffwindrim975 Рік тому +2

    Why not apply what they do with condominiums to coal mining companies?. Condos must have a reserve fund for when there’s issues in the building. So why not make it LAW that big coal mining companies and other large scale companies that do damage to the lands be audited and must have Enough money in a untouchable reserve fund to restore the lands either when they close the mine or go bankrupt. These moneys must be kept separate from the company as it is to be used to restore the land.
    Hold them accountable this might be one way to get leverage on company’s like this or close the loopholes.

  • @mark-
    @mark- Рік тому +4

    Very sad. Must have a separate money account from the start of mining, that is managed, so there is enough to restore once it's finished.

  • @az-fy3mp
    @az-fy3mp Рік тому +1

    whoever it is that allows coal mines to be build near water sources and waterways is a genius. congratzzz murica

  • @DaNeedle
    @DaNeedle Рік тому +1

    thanks for these fantastic features bloomberg, nothing like it out there

  • @jaybruce593
    @jaybruce593 Рік тому +2

    Tax the coal companies revenue, put the Tax in a reclamation fund. The amount of money in the reclamation fund is therefore directly proportional to the amount of money extracted from the site, which would inherently be directly proportional to the amount of material extracted and thus the damage done.

    • @jaybruce593
      @jaybruce593 Рік тому +1

      @zjg4gcvn Maybe they are acting legally to the LETTER of the law, but they are floughting the SPIRIT of the law

  • @majd_shoots
    @majd_shoots Рік тому +4

    Completely off subject here, but I really liked the west Virginian accent 😂, specially when they say "regulation" or "coal"

  • @theworddoner
    @theworddoner Рік тому +2

    Make sure to vote Republican Kentucky!
    Socializing the cost and privatizing the profits is what it’s all about.
    My sympathy ran out years ago. Their voting history (or lack thereof) has harmed the nation for generations.
    I do legit feel sympathy for those who are actively trying to stop this but I don’t feel bad for that retired coal worker. His vote or lack thereof enabled this situation.

    • @chuckshartz2722
      @chuckshartz2722 Рік тому

      The only things keeping coal going are foreign markets, lobbyists, loopholes in the laws, and tax break incentives. Take those away, and that's the end permanently. Natural gas is considered a technological advancement. And one that is much cheaper and requires little maintenance once a well is finished... unlike a mine where you need firebosses, tons of outby workers, who's primary job is to keep the places from being fined or D ordered by inspectors.

  • @PineCityStage
    @PineCityStage Рік тому +5

    anyone who understands the difference between chapter 11 & chapter 7, loves bankruptcy...

  • @CharlesBallowe
    @CharlesBallowe Рік тому

    Seems like acquiring a mining permit should require posting a pre-paid reclamation bond to be used for cleanup after operations stop. Then if they go bankrupt, the cleanup is paid for. If they can't post the money up front, no permit.

  • @markb1764
    @markb1764 Рік тому +1

    it looks like a lot of unused land in the middle of nowhere and the people living there can only do so because someone built the infrastructure necessary in order to mine coal which society at large benefited from

  • @Ihatebs
    @Ihatebs Рік тому +4

    Always with mining companies, whether it is gold, silver, coal you name it.

    • @jmd1743
      @jmd1743 Рік тому

      Mining jobs can't be long term employment for a community because eventually the gold runs out. Gold mining jobs are great as supplemental jobs as in there are plenty of jobs in the area that can absorb the gold miners once the gold runs out. There are plenty of dead gold & silver mining towns in America. It's not like how after a recession those mining jobs can make a return, once the ore is gone in the mine the mining jobs are gone forever.
      You would want your miners to be able to go to a trade school to then continue work in the town they have a family in. If mining is the main employer then bad times will happen.

    • @xoctor
      @xoctor Рік тому

      It's the dark side of capitalism that proponants refuse to acknowledge. The best investment a business can make is in buying political influence. This super-charges their ability to externalize costs and also receive public subsidies. I don't know how you get 51% of the population to wake up to this and stop (re)electing corrupt corporate stooges, because the 2nd best investment capitalists can make is in mass media propaganda. Fox is an extreme example, but even the 'so called left' media is working for the interests of capitalists.

  • @hannesolivier204
    @hannesolivier204 Рік тому +1

    I live in South Africa, and it surprises me how Americans are always so extra.
    I dread to see the days that coal companies simply say “We’ve made enough money, we don’t need the discrimination anymore”.
    These companies have put thousands of people’s children through school and universities.
    In South Africa, our coal companies do more for us than ANY government department. Our refuse trucks come from the mines, our technology centers in informal settlements come from mines, our STATE hospitals & ambulances are sponsored by coal companies.
    Think about what would happen to the world economy if all the coal companies simply stop producing.
    If you’ve read this far without commenting something rude, the do note that I do agree with the fact that not all mining companies are the same, but the government should keep them accountable and regulate mining companies.

  • @ph11p3540
    @ph11p3540 Рік тому +3

    Coal is dirtier than the pollution that leaves the smoke stack. Oil is no better.

  • @LilMOMMAson
    @LilMOMMAson 14 днів тому

    We have the same issue with state regulatory agencies in Louisiana. The petroleum refining industry runs the La Dept of Environmental Quality and ruins the land and lives in our river parishes.

  • @yomajo
    @yomajo Рік тому +2

    Self regulation... Peak US. Shedding an indian tear for the plain hills...

  • @shambalkaran9258
    @shambalkaran9258 Рік тому +2

    Whatever happened to environment protection? Is coal cleaner than oil and gas ?

    • @itsmatt2105
      @itsmatt2105 Рік тому

      Biden wanted to virtue signal to his not very smart voter base so he cut nat gas off at the knees. He didn't do ANYTHING to address energy demand, he just largely removed the cleanest form of fossil energy from the table. So the energy producers went back to burning the very dirty coal. Great job, Biden, way to help the environment!

    • @chuckshartz2722
      @chuckshartz2722 Рік тому +1

      Coal has MSHA, which is a federal agency similar to OSHA, only they are strictly mines. Revenue generation is their main priority, more so than safety

  • @John-lw7bz
    @John-lw7bz 10 місяців тому

    Tie every coalmine with a cleanup and reclamation account. Minimum pay-in and set percentage of profits to go there with a slow allowance for funds to be withdrawn kind of like a deposit when you rent an apt but part of rent also goes there for any damage you might do that would not be covered by the deposit.

  • @after-lifeadvice7067
    @after-lifeadvice7067 Рік тому +1

    Oh yeah your grandpa was right, as a former Colliery employee I can testify that coal mines do not do well in any environmental, human resources and public relations department

  • @lambertois11
    @lambertois11 Рік тому +1

    All the mining permits should include the obligation to create an escrow account where at the end of each month a dollar clean-up fee is deposited for each ton excavated during the month. But, why is it not done?
    There are elephants in the room. The elephants (lobbyists) are well paid to make sure that the law has no teeth. The elephants (elected officials) care more about electoral donations than the health of their electors.

  • @NawDawgTheRazor
    @NawDawgTheRazor Рік тому +3

    That’s so messed up. All previous owners should be held responsible for the final clean up and reclamation, and bankruptcy should not give immunity to environmental liability and litigation.

    • @Robert-cu9bm
      @Robert-cu9bm Рік тому

      The previous owners are limited companies.

  • @xirux01
    @xirux01 Рік тому +1

    Law is a law and talk is talk
    It's easy to interpret a law
    But a law is just a piece of
    Paper till you can enforce or
    Apply that Law it's just a piece
    Of paper that doesn't count. I believe it when I see it

  • @rickhagen7258
    @rickhagen7258 Рік тому +1

    Let's bash coal so we can raise electricity costs and struggle more. Those big companies still pay avoid salary these are mines in a bad area, where I mine looks nothing like this video.

  • @mwmentor
    @mwmentor Рік тому +1

    It seems like legislators can make the rules, and then break the rules that they make. I have a suggestion: disallow legislators from receiving election campaign funding from any of these companies or their affiliates. And put legislation in place to ensure that company ownership and reporting cannot be obfuscated. This should be no harder to do than the implementation of the Sarbanes-Oxley laws post the Enron disaster. This in an environmental disaster of equal proportions, and it is not alone... Time for Congress and the Senate to step up and do their jobs...

  • @simplemechanics246
    @simplemechanics246 Рік тому +1

    How hard is to ask deposit from every mining company. Sure it is not realistic to pay all instantly but it must be paid monthly bases. If company goes bust, then they never get that money back.

    • @fleischwolf82
      @fleischwolf82 Рік тому

      It wouldn't be hard. Investors or insurers could bring up that money for a fee.

  • @crentistDaDentist
    @crentistDaDentist Рік тому +1

    And now these countries lecture the developing countries to cut down usage of coals.

  • @Delosian
    @Delosian Рік тому +1

    It is easy to complain as it costs nothing. If it matters to these people so much, perhaps make an offer to these mining companies to help clean up the mines in return for a wage.

    • @Brightearthco
      @Brightearthco Рік тому

      They literally make BILLIONS of dollars, are you saying the average person should do more than the companies who actually have or had the money to reclaim at one point are equally responsible?

  • @On3man
    @On3man Рік тому

    The obvious answer, if your politicians had the guts to do it, is to make the mining companies contribute the costs of reclamation to a trust fund _before_ any mining is allowed to start. Canada has had the same problem with it's old abandoned mines. It is costing the various responsible governments the government millions to deal with old abandoned mines. Now new mines must make a security deposit the size of which is calculated from the estimated 3rd party cost of reclamation after mine closure, both permanent and temporary, before development is even started. This includes the cost of exploration remediation should the decision be made not to develop the mine. This deposit is held in trust by the appropriate government departments and funds are released as required during reclamation.

  • @Pyrrhic.
    @Pyrrhic. Рік тому +1

    Federal funding? To these red states that already take more federal spending than they pay in federal income tax? Red state bailout. I mean, I don’t mind federal dollars going to help these residents, but they need to keep those coal companies in check.

  • @leokeyxleokeyx9570
    @leokeyxleokeyx9570 Рік тому +5

    Same with how PG&E is declaring bankruptcy every few years

  • @brynyard
    @brynyard Рік тому +5

    It is all really simple to fix, this minefield needed proper legislation when they where created. Unfortunately this is in the past, so we just have to create a time machine to go back in time and make sure there's proper legislation in place to create a trust (or other solutions).
    Creating the time machine will be the easy part....

  • @daveputnaerglis9203
    @daveputnaerglis9203 Рік тому +1

    where does the power come from in your office? every time it goes up its your own fault for putting them in court.

  • @zAlaska
    @zAlaska 3 місяці тому

    Oil companies have abandoned their Wells, leaking and venting into the atmosphere and water.

  • @notapplicable7355
    @notapplicable7355 11 місяців тому

    Hold businesses and those running the business accountable. Reclaim from the millions of bonuses those running the businesses, then there will be change.

  • @tanner9956
    @tanner9956 Рік тому

    AMR what a stock it went up 5000% since I called it out. Amr sold all its thermal coal mines and went to coal that’s used in steel. This is normal in commodity business these boom and bust cycles bust a lot of companies

  • @EdgarAmara
    @EdgarAmara Рік тому +1

    Great journalism this.

  • @Slugbunny
    @Slugbunny Рік тому +1

    Mines need to pay in advance for potential restoration, and collectively. Otherwise, this.

  • @KeruxLand
    @KeruxLand Місяць тому

    Privatized gains and socialized losses. Ultra corrupt world we live in...................

  • @ZootedSosa
    @ZootedSosa Рік тому

    23:17 Why are they able to make a clause that states evening if you transfer the company you still have to be reliable for the cleanup

  • @mandyellis876
    @mandyellis876 Рік тому

    Companies who sell their mines should be forced to clean up prior to listing.

  • @Checkmate025
    @Checkmate025 Рік тому

    Well filmed. Thank you for this amazing piece of journalism

  • @donnieburger3721
    @donnieburger3721 Рік тому +1

    ev waste is going to make coal a drop in the bucket

  • @Phil-D83
    @Phil-D83 Рік тому

    Need to adjust the laws, not blame those that use the current ones to their advantage

  • @jamesonberntsen415
    @jamesonberntsen415 Рік тому +1

    Get over it. Do you want the state to have ZERO revenue? Coal built those states and will continue. Cut the top of the mountain take the coal follow the rules

  • @fleischwolf82
    @fleischwolf82 Рік тому

    "30k fine"... I am sure the executives were laughing

  • @AmericanPatriot-bp7cu
    @AmericanPatriot-bp7cu Рік тому

    How's Mini-Mike these days? Is he going to run for president in '24? Hahahaha!

  • @neilpuckett359
    @neilpuckett359 Рік тому

    Don't bash truck drivers they're doing their job.

  • @jamesodell3064
    @jamesodell3064 Рік тому

    The coal company should have to put the money for reclamation in a state run fund as they mine the coal. Then the money would be there when they are done mining.

  • @Robert-cu9bm
    @Robert-cu9bm Рік тому +3

    For all the people complaining, I bet the attitude would change if you didn't have reliable electricity or far higher prices.

    • @Brightearthco
      @Brightearthco Рік тому +1

      100% a true point, but that’s a very nasty way to look at it, because what’s the point of electricity if peoples houses are flooding and they can’t get clean water?? There are things that come before that buddy, electricity is nice and all but we lived as humans for thousands of years without it, and yes I know I’m using it right now, it’s crazy.

    • @Robert-cu9bm
      @Robert-cu9bm Рік тому +1

      @@Brightearthco
      We lived unhealthily until we were 30 then died, that's life without electricity.

  • @hugothompson3709
    @hugothompson3709 Рік тому

    It's seems pretty obvious these coal companies just don't care about the long term health and wellbeing of the local people or their environment. Doesn't seem fair or just that they can get out of cleaning up the mess they've made by paying another company to buy their disused toxic mines.
    How many of these sites would be suitable for converting into pumped hydro lakes, possibly with wind turbines and rejuvenated natural parks surrounding them? Could these be wholely or partly community owned especially if public money has to be used to ultimately clean up these disused toxic mines?
    If this was an oil spill or dieselgate the company is held liable and has to pay for damages they've caused.....should this be true of these original coal companies that caused the environmental damage in the first place?

  • @madzen112
    @madzen112 Рік тому

    Quite sure that a lot of mine owners love to hear this piece of news

  • @CinematographyLischka
    @CinematographyLischka Рік тому +1

    Great work on the video! I think it's an important and eye-opening piece that sheds light on the coal industry and its impact on communities and the environment. The personal stories shared in the video make it even more compelling.
    While I appreciate the perspective presented in the video, I believe it could have been even stronger if it had included a more neutral standpoint. By presenting a balanced view and including different perspectives, it would have allowed viewers to form their own opinions based on the facts and information presented.

  • @jcfields3762
    @jcfields3762 Рік тому

    Lady said Federal money is needed to fix mountainside. Coal Companys get the profits and leave. Tax payer left to clean up. Because coal company pay politicians money, then politicians say tax payers can clean up.

  • @trukeesey8715
    @trukeesey8715 Рік тому +1

    What are the names of the evasive executives?

  • @skak3000
    @skak3000 Рік тому

    Collect 15% of the Coal sale. The money is going to be use for clearing up.

  • @timg2655
    @timg2655 Рік тому

    0:35 that dude has a badass voice

  • @ItschaboiJeffar
    @ItschaboiJeffar Рік тому

    But that’s a payloader loading up the truck; not an excavator my guy

  • @4.0gpa44
    @4.0gpa44 Рік тому

    The hatred these people have of jobs is wrong. Deregulate coal now!

  • @mikerock8177
    @mikerock8177 Рік тому +3

    Welcome to the world of greed instead of hard regulation for polluting greed is killing us all rich and poor alike

    • @ClaytonLivsey
      @ClaytonLivsey Рік тому

      The rich can afford private doctors

    • @Robert-cu9bm
      @Robert-cu9bm Рік тому +1

      We're living longer easier life.
      How is this "killing" us?

  • @ralphnolan3187
    @ralphnolan3187 Рік тому

    Great job

  • @tomahawkmissile241
    @tomahawkmissile241 Рік тому +1

    well they went brankrupt so that is it they are out of the game of monoply now it is the states issue for having it there to begin with.

  • @number420pencil
    @number420pencil Рік тому

    Privatize the gains. Socialize the losses. Capitalism 101.

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  • @suzannestryk2623
    @suzannestryk2623 Рік тому

    Does anyone know if the United Coal Company ever did mountain top removal mining?

  • @aaaronme
    @aaaronme Рік тому

    I think I would only give mine permits if they pay x% of revenue to reclaim and clean the land which has issues. Otherwise they don't get a permit. Ofc it's "unfair" for those who are new etc, but it would solve the issue in the long run as they are still making money and the issue should be fixed :D

  • @krisbrzezina2289
    @krisbrzezina2289 Рік тому

    same in the uk Ayrshire is left a barren landscape with either landfills or duck ponds

  • @charles-antoinegagne6109
    @charles-antoinegagne6109 Рік тому +1

    How to solve that problem ? Tax the land in a way that all the cleaning costs are internalized and paid by to the pro rata.
    Why it can't be done ? Lobbyist, "create jobs"..well just politics

  • @jessekauffman3336
    @jessekauffman3336 Рік тому

    Corporations have and never will care about anything but maximum profits

  • @karenbell8068
    @karenbell8068 Рік тому

    It seems to me that the mine permits need to be rewritten

  • @mattheweburns
    @mattheweburns Рік тому

    Granite mines are just as bad, if you come to visit the great Smoky Mountain national railway in Dillsboro North Carolina you may or may not be able to see the top of a mountain cut in half like a broken tooth, imagine all the rainwater that washes through there and down into the Tuckaseegee River that used to be full of trout

  • @braisrodriguez9793
    @braisrodriguez9793 Рік тому +1

    GREEN NEW DEAL

  • @blowinkk9396
    @blowinkk9396 Рік тому

    But its not just coal companies who does this. They all do it