Another great save. Liked your current measuring setup so much I went and made one up. Your stepping through possible issues is really good. Lots of ideas there.
So true... My very first repair attempt was a Gigabyte board with dual BIOS, similar symptoms to this video but I didn't have much knowledge back then. I went around in circles checking everything else, DDR voltages, PCH, SIO, looking for physical damage, everything BUT the BIOS because I kept telling myself "it couldn't be the BIOS because the backup BIOS would have recovered". It was the BIOS.
Recovering procedere has to be initiated by hand in many cases. So dual BIOS is not that useless at all in the end, its the users, who are just unwilling to check the manual and take the necessary steps
@@neovita3818 It is incredible to me that a theoreticly well though out feature just does not function! I had multiple different Gigabyte Boards with exactly that and its really frustrating, that they can not get it to work properly! Many Boards sadly dont have a switch and the Board "intelegently" does it itself!
Sometimes it can be more than useless. I had one Threadripper board that would trigger auto bios reflash from the backup ROM if the memory timings were not stable and it failed in a certain steps during the post. So, in such an unstable condition it started re-flashing the bios. I don't even have to say it but yes it ended up in a disaster. The only good dual bios boards are those where you can manually specify your ROM with a jumper, like what Asrock X99 extreme 4 had.
2nd video in a week I've seen where end users have bricked their motherboard by incorrectly updating their BIOS. This is becoming a very worrying trend and as another commenter said yep Dual BIOS has always just been a marketing gimmick. Especially where Gigabyte is concerned. I personally refuse to put anything from that company into customers computers full stop! Garbage brand and even worse DOA process. Warranty repairs? Nope 6 months if you're lucky enough to have them not try to blame the customer for the very obvious manafacturing flaws, sub standard components and terrible PCB layout designs as well. Simply put, avoid ALL Gigabyte products all together! MSI in a close second place as well.
Sadly i can only agree, its a disgrace with the dual Bios setup just never working. But there is often so much performance left on the table with not updating the Bios, exspecially on AM4 there have been so many improvements with bioses, yet to mention all the CPU´s that are added over the time!
I have just fixed a MSI B350 Tomahawak right now with the same problem, corrupted bios, but found out it has bad socket now it always stuck on CPU Led. It works tho when I dont mount CPU cooler.
Hmm, I lost a bit. If there is and was the backup bios, why you needed at all write the main bios againg? Why the backup did nor work and why it should work in future?
I owned that motherboard and updated the BIOS and the system had PCIe gen 4, then the next day another BIOS was released that removed it and set back to PCIe gen 3, if you can somehow find that BIOS that was released for only a day you will have a PCIe gen 4 motherboard.(F40a maybe)
Hi, I have a certain motherboard, specifically the MSI B350 Tomahawk. I bought it on OLX. When I tested it under load in the Heaven Benchmark program, the computer suddenly turned off. The board no longer starts and does not respond to the power button. What do you think it could be? I will add that the components work without any problems on another motherboard. When the board is connected to the power supply, you can hear clicking sounds in the power supply.
Hello great video, I have a ab350m-ds3h and I thought it had a bad bios, it wont give any beeps even after a bios reflash, cpu heats and the leds light up, it has a bit corroded realtek chip and 32k crystal do you have any suggestions?
@@MainboardMedic Thanks man saw a video of yours and decided to clean the pcie, ram and cpu socket with a tooth brush and the board is working. Thank you keep it up with the great content
interesting video. I have an intel board GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 that has similar symptoms. Can you tell me what happens about the data in the Backup BIOS? Does it automatically update to whats in the main BIOS once the board boots or does it stay the same until you desolder it and re-program it?
If the second BIOS chip is actually working, just swap them and it should work just fine. If you swap them and still don't work then you may need to use a programmer.
@@Dandan-tg6tj Thanks, but my question is, when the board is working does the backup BIOS chip update to whats in the main BIOS chip or does it stay forever with what it was originally programmed with?
@@martinnash007 Stay forever with what it was originally programmed with. This if somewhere along the way, the main BIOS is not failing and the board manages to use the secondary BIOS and while the secondary BIOS is used, the owner or the automated updating software isn't updating the BIOS.
If you programm it inside the actual Bios with Q-flash there is an option to programm both at once! So you have to fix one yourself and then you can do it in the bios!
Maybe a stupid question, but how did you spot that you have DRAM when trying to first boot by pressing switch? Cannot see clearly but as if there are two different LEDs?
Yes, usually be different LEDs. Depending on the board they might be all right next to each other in a group or might be spread around. Some boards will use different colours for each stage.
Its really hard to see, because they are all red and also clustered together, but there are 4 LED´s which have a label on the board. Topleft is CPU, top right is DRAM, bottom left is VGA bottom right is BOOT! Sadly my cam cant really pick that up! On Asus Boards they are coulor coded and its easier to distinguish!
Another great save. Liked your current measuring setup so much I went and made one up. Your stepping through possible issues is really good. Lots of ideas there.
As always, Fantastic repair, Another one saved from E-waste! :)
Gigabyte dual BIOS continues to be as useless as ever i see...
So true... My very first repair attempt was a Gigabyte board with dual BIOS, similar symptoms to this video but I didn't have much knowledge back then. I went around in circles checking everything else, DDR voltages, PCH, SIO, looking for physical damage, everything BUT the BIOS because I kept telling myself "it couldn't be the BIOS because the backup BIOS would have recovered". It was the BIOS.
Recovering procedere has to be initiated by hand in many cases. So dual BIOS is not that useless at all in the end, its the users, who are just unwilling to check the manual and take the necessary steps
@@neovita3818 It is incredible to me that a theoreticly well though out feature just does not function! I had multiple different Gigabyte Boards with exactly that and its really frustrating, that they can not get it to work properly! Many Boards sadly dont have a switch and the Board "intelegently" does it itself!
@@MainboardMedic Gigabyte "feature" since the intel first/second gen bitrot days. Yet it seems to rarely ever function.
Sometimes it can be more than useless. I had one Threadripper board that would trigger auto bios reflash from the backup ROM if the memory timings were not stable and it failed in a certain steps during the post. So, in such an unstable condition it started re-flashing the bios. I don't even have to say it but yes it ended up in a disaster. The only good dual bios boards are those where you can manually specify your ROM with a jumper, like what Asrock X99 extreme 4 had.
Great Job!
2nd video in a week I've seen where end users have bricked their motherboard by incorrectly updating their BIOS. This is becoming a very worrying trend and as another commenter said yep Dual BIOS has always just been a marketing gimmick. Especially where Gigabyte is concerned. I personally refuse to put anything from that company into customers computers full stop! Garbage brand and even worse DOA process. Warranty repairs? Nope 6 months if you're lucky enough to have them not try to blame the customer for the very obvious manafacturing flaws, sub standard components and terrible PCB layout designs as well.
Simply put, avoid ALL Gigabyte products all together!
MSI in a close second place as well.
Sadly i can only agree, its a disgrace with the dual Bios setup just never working.
But there is often so much performance left on the table with not updating the Bios, exspecially on AM4 there have been so many improvements with bioses, yet to mention all the CPU´s that are added over the time!
Good job ❤
Good Job
Another great video? Do you have a link to that BIOS chip adapter?
Not yet but soon will be added to the description!
Perfect ❤🎉
I have just fixed a MSI B350 Tomahawak right now with the same problem, corrupted bios, but found out it has bad socket now it always stuck on CPU Led. It works tho when I dont mount CPU cooler.
Hmm, I lost a bit. If there is and was the backup bios, why you needed at all write the main bios againg? Why the backup did nor work and why it should work in future?
I dont know why but the backup feature just does not want to work on Gigabyte boards, ive had this multiple times now!
I owned that motherboard and updated the BIOS and the system had PCIe gen 4, then the next day another BIOS was released that removed it and set back to PCIe gen 3, if you can somehow find that BIOS that was released for only a day you will have a PCIe gen 4 motherboard.(F40a maybe)
Oh very interesting, never heard something like that before!
Hi, I have a certain motherboard, specifically the MSI B350 Tomahawk. I bought it on OLX. When I tested it under load in the Heaven Benchmark program, the computer suddenly turned off. The board no longer starts and does not respond to the power button. What do you think it could be? I will add that the components work without any problems on another motherboard.
When the board is connected to the power supply, you can hear clicking sounds in the power supply.
Check 3.3v on the power SW
I would also think that most likely your 12V for the CPU is shorted, if it failed under load!
Hello great video, I have a ab350m-ds3h and I thought it had a bad bios, it wont give any beeps even after a bios reflash, cpu heats and the leds light up, it has a bit corroded realtek chip and 32k crystal do you have any suggestions?
Check for components near SIO and CPU socket, after that backside, then around screwholes and then around pcie slots!
@@MainboardMedic Thanks man saw a video of yours and decided to clean the pcie, ram and cpu socket with a tooth brush and the board is working. Thank you keep it up with the great content
interesting video. I have an intel board GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 that has similar symptoms. Can you tell me what happens about the data in the Backup BIOS? Does it automatically update to whats in the main BIOS once the board boots or does it stay the same until you desolder it and re-program it?
If the second BIOS chip is actually working, just swap them and it should work just fine. If you swap them and still don't work then you may need to use a programmer.
@@Dandan-tg6tj Thanks, but my question is, when the board is working does the backup BIOS chip update to whats in the main BIOS chip or does it stay forever with what it was originally programmed with?
@@martinnash007 Stay forever with what it was originally programmed with. This if somewhere along the way, the main BIOS is not failing and the board manages to use the secondary BIOS and while the secondary BIOS is used, the owner or the automated updating software isn't updating the BIOS.
If you programm it inside the actual Bios with Q-flash there is an option to programm both at once! So you have to fix one yourself and then you can do it in the bios!
Maybe a stupid question, but how did you spot that you have DRAM when trying to first boot by pressing switch? Cannot see clearly but as if there are two different LEDs?
Yes, usually be different LEDs. Depending on the board they might be all right next to each other in a group or might be spread around. Some boards will use different colours for each stage.
Its really hard to see, because they are all red and also clustered together, but there are 4 LED´s which have a label on the board. Topleft is CPU, top right is DRAM, bottom left is VGA bottom right is BOOT! Sadly my cam cant really pick that up! On Asus Boards they are coulor coded and its easier to distinguish!
@@MainboardMedic thank you very much
Usual repair came from amd 🤔
How much did you charge for this repair?
I bought this board to repair it, so no charge!
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even the backup bios chip is bad, lol
always happen to Gigabyte board
Really happens all on the time on Gigabyte boards, which is really insane!
@@MainboardMedic ever since their H61 motherboard, and it's until now