Overwhelmed and task saturated - you can hear the stress in his voice... ATC really went over and above. After listening to this for a while I thought it was going to eventually show up on a different kind of channel :( She probably saved him. X-registry, he's not from around here.
The most underrated part of this is the perfect weather. The winds were calm, the sky clear, and visibility at its maximum. You cannot find weather this perfect!
You would think that would be the easiest. but he might've been better off flying an instrument approach using the auto pilot,, which I'm pretty sure he uses all of the time. I bet he has no experience hand flying a citation.
I think that steady wind perfectly align with the runway is much better than wind calm, because it reduces ground speed on approach and final. At least I prefer that, though wind calm is a close second
@@AndreMorri What I'm saying is that this particular pilot doesn't seem capable to hand fly the Citation. He is most likely used to letting the auto pilot fly. And yes, in a Citation its easier to let the auto pilot fly the approach. Just because your filed IFR doesn't mean your always in IMC. What most people on here don't realize is that this is most likely a crew of 2 pilots and that the pilot talking on the radio is probably not the flying pilot. I don't think that the 650 has an SE certification. I could be wrong, its been a while since I've flown any of the Citations series, and I don't care enough about it to look it up.. As for my education, I went to college over 30 years ago for aviation and I've been flying ever since.
FAA needs to look into this. To make the same mistake over and over means very poor experience and a lot of risk for the folks on the aicraft and on the ground. Kudos to the controller.
Does he comprehend English?... and most of the controller usually give vectors don't they and not just "turn 25deg"... he may not comprehend visual deg vs heading degree?
@@t.c.2776 completely wrong. He is replying to the tower and following instructions. He still overshooting the runway. That is the main issue also poor decisions
@@t.c.2776 They tried giving vectors... they tried having him follow the pattern... they tried giving him amounts to turn... they were literally trying everything
If there is, I can pretty much 100% say their report will come back with the sentence, “We have found insufficient evidence of regulatory noncompliance to proceed with additional action and we consider this matter closed.” Ask me how I know this.
After 5 missed approaches and on 6th attemp…GTT - “Are we cleared to land?” 😂😂😂😂 Bro! The entire airport is outside watching you! YES! You’re cleared to land!
Every time she asked what the problem was, or whether they weren't seeing the runway, he just answered "We have it in sight now". She was very patient with him.
I see it quite often actually. It’s either typically new pilots with no experience or they just have no business flying an airplane. That’s the problem nowadays with the rampant shortage of experienced pilots just about everywhere. Anyone can fly just about anything with no overall flight time.
@@E2Driver I don't understand. I didn't solo till my cfi knew I was ready. who the f signs off on these idiots and how do they pass exams and checkrides?
@@ahmadsamadzai8255 it definitely boggles the mind sometimes how crews get properly checked. I understand it may be hard to pick out an airport sometimes but these guy’s obviously couldn’t properly control their machine to make it work once they did confirm visual. The scary part is, there was likely 2 guys in plane. I could be wrong but Im pretty sure it’s a two-crew aircraft and neither one of them could make it work or they didn’t work together.
There’s no violation here. It looks a little clumsy, yes, but the pilot did maintain good radio communication and complied with the controller’s instructions.
He didn’t comply various times, but ATC amended their instructions repeatedly in order to get this individual in a pilot’s seat somehow back on track. Seriously, even communication was totally all over the place with asking for instructions that had already been given. Apart from being able to walk away after getting the aircraft down nothing resembling airmanship even remotely.
@@SebastianBrandes2300 The plot was more than a little clumsy in my opinion. Good radio communication? Well it looks like the radio was working. And I guess the pilot finally decided to land. How many times was he cleared? How many times did he miss the approach? How many runways were available? At least he didn't run out of fuel. But to me it seems that aircraft was flying with a defective pilot. Maybe checking the pilot should be added to the prefilght checklist.
That controller is a professional, exactly what an ATC is expected to be. There is no place in ATC comms for impatient, rude, snarky, imprecise, rushed, overly-complicated or nasty transmissions. The lady did her job just as it’s supposed to be done. It just goes to show how much standards have slipped when this is exceptional and not the norm 😥
@@socal20001 Controller what? he attempted to land on the wrong runway twice, I think pilots waiting to take off would have evacuated their aircrafts and ran away. Plus fighter jets would have been called in.
@@virginiaviola5097 She did a good job, but not very close to "as it's supposed to be done". Look up some standard phraseology and the reasons it exists. She's off by a mile at some points here and that can really become an issue, especially with non-native speakers.
@@rk5634 Not a chance, it's a multi-million-dollar private jet, no PNF or captain would allow this ignorance in the first place, much less the second missed-approach MUCH LESS THE FIFTH MISSED-APPROACH. No, just no...
North vegas is normally an extremely busy airport, with claustrophobic airspace dimensions because of downtown vegas and the international airport nearby
Really though. A less patient controller could have stressed out the pilot even more and lead to loss of life. Major props! I think she can log an hour of CFI time? lol
Flight history back through early December shows that this was just the third night landing for that aircraft in almost four months. Those other two were flights into Monterey, NL, Mexico (apparently home base for this aircraft). MTY is outside of town, not in the middle of a well-lit residential area like a Vegas suburb, and the pilot was most likely very familiar with the area... maybe the guy has trouble with night flying...
I've dealt with that controller a few times now, and I've made a pretty big mistake there before and she is for sure the most patient and helpful controller I've ever dealt with.
Absolutely unbelievable. 99.99% of the time, ATC needs to honor pilot requests, because they are the PIC. But once the pilot requested the shorter runway 30R, I think that this is the rare exception.
Justifiable concern: 'pilot' obviously incompetent, flying a jet with its ass'd fuel consumption. I was wondering the same: when will he run out of gas? And, for this 'pilot', will his last transmission be 'engines don't seem to be producing thrust'?
ATC turn left 45 degrees and line up for crosswind approach. Pilot: My left or your left. ATC: Just do us all a favor and keep both your hands where we can see them when you exit the plane! 🤪
The controllers at VGT have gotten a bad rap lately due to some unfortunate incidents that weren’t directly their fault. I’m based there and this is one of our amazing controllers. They do a fantastic job and I’m not surprised at all at how well she did.
Looked like an average to poor ATC job to me. The controller needs to stop issueing "turn left or right" instructions and give more precise vectors when she realizes the pilot is having trouble, just vector him with heading instructions for a long final into RWY 30L and this was over 15 minutes ago.
@@LuisArgerich I disagree. LAS Bravo is 2 miles from the approach end of 30L. A long final would have required a Bravo clearance. The controller is not responsible for the competency of the pilot. She was very patient with a completely incompetent “pilot” who wasn’t able to comprehend her simple directions. My only argument is that 12R has been designated as the calm wind runway and I don’t know why it wasn’t being used. I don’t recall what the winds were in the video.
@@mikeboulant8911 I was unaware of the possible conflict with LAS Bravo space. But as you say if 12R was ok then the same was valid, why not vector him for a long final into 12R?
@@atc54m Not pissin on my chips. I’m just a lowly observer here😀. What should she have done differently? That pilot had no business being in the air. VGT is a very easy airport to fly into. No terrain to deal with and easily spotted from the air. Granted, 30L can be tight, given the proximity to LAS Bravo. But a jet pilot should have no issue navigating it.
The Citation C650 is operated by 2 pilots, maybe the FO was flying and the Captain monitoring was just laughing his face off. Or the passengers were paying for the flight time by the minute, so a couple more go-arounds won't hurt :)
@@SuperBen316 I remember being 12 and did that mission where both engines on a 737 flame out and you had to glide to a runway designed for smaller planes like a Cessna and I did that smoothly using a *mouse*. wtf was this approach in the video like seriously?
@@ebincd2362 i remember that mission! It was called Limited Options I believe and you had the option to land on Honolulu (and another airfield which i can’t recall). Great times!
I did most of my PPL flight training at this airport - there's a ton of commercial jet activity that doesn't want to fly into KLAS mixed in with a bunch of general aviation folks. And some days you do see the occasional person who makes you wonder how they got their license/endorsements to begin with.
@Joshua Dworkin. I also trained at West Air. We both know that the right turn when taking off of 30R or even 30L, if you a bit tardy in making the turn to head to NW Practice Area can put right at the edge of BOTH Nellis AND KLAS Class Bravo airspace. How this guy screwed the pooch 6 times is still beyond me. We both have made left base to 30L numerous times and a rare calm day too. This guy was either incompetent or a total moron or some combination of both.
I could not have been as patient as she was! Kudos to her, and well done to him for not trying to force one of the unstable approaches. We may all have a giggle, but way too many accidents happen that way 😞
That makes me feel much better about the times I mess up joining a circuit! ATC, as everyone has said, is a saint! But the big take out for me is, no matter how messed up things are don’t panic, first keep flying, then keep navigating and talk when you can. Who knows what was going on with the pilot; nav systems, medical, mechanical…But ultimately everybody was safe and I know other pilots and passengers have been less fortunate because the P1 did not keep their sh!t together.
This made me think of the movie "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" when Mickey Rooney and Buddy Hackett are trying to land the plane and Jesse White in the Control Tower says, "Why don't we just shoot 'em down and be through with it?"
An experienced ATC saved the day plus a few lives. In a complicated, dynamic environment such as piloting a plane, we all must know our roles and responsibilities, these pilots were on the low experience side of the scales while the ATC was able to equalize the balance. Well done
I know that North Las Vegas airport is sometime hard to see... BUT THAT WAS NUTS! I wished I was on the ground nearby to see that plane go around so many times... I would have turned on my raio to listen to the emergency, but there was none declared. AMAZING CONTROLLER!
Wow. That was nerve racking to watch. Kudos to the controller. Does anyone know if the pilots were actually experiencing an aircraft problem, and if so what was it?
It does seems like the pilot is attempting to do a visual pattern and approach into 30L at KVGT without cutting into KLAS's Bravo airspace. There is like 2 nm between threshold of 30L and the edge of the Bravo, and I would imagine that to be fairly tight for a C650 to manuever in. The pilots are probably not used to tight patterns and it is more than likely spatial disorientation as well as fatigue is settling in. It is puzzling tho why they don't choose to get vectored out for a RNAV into 12R when they are already disorientated and the wind is calm.
Reminds me of Magnum force with Clint Eastwood climbs onboard the mighty 707 masquerading as a captain. Harry: says to the F/O put us into take off position F/O: looks at him strange and says I know this is a strange question, Captain do you know how to fly Harry: smiles NOPE!
Why didn’t the controller suggest a longer final, so the pilot could be better stabilized? Maybe I’ll need to check out the untrimmed version to see barriers and/or other traffic.
Exactly, pilot sounded really competent with his radio skills yet strangely and surprisingly quite poor at flying skills and he is flying a jet, that's weird!
I'm wondering if the pilot got the order of "aviate, navigate, communicate" backwards and got more focused on trying to speak with the tower than trying to fly the instructions.
Wow! Professional ATC with a pilot that seems to not know how to fly an expensive plane. Glad he made it on the ground in one piece! Passengers may need to adjust their skivvies!
Sounds like they received the same training as the pilots of XC-VMC, that crashed in Mexico City some years ago. I would suspect their training is sketchy at best, or non existent!
I don’t know how many times I have read accident reports from Mexico where the pilots acting as PIC or SIC had zero training on the jets they where flying and in many cases lied about their hours to get their licenses. One report said that an SIC of a learjet that went missing didn’t even have his instrument rating, much less his commercial licence. He only had his single engine ppl and even at that he had no flight training records they could find. Yet he was hired as a first officer flying learjets for 135 operations 🤷🏻♂️…
Wow! Very excruciating to watch! Awesome controller! She's actually flying the plane! Might have given up on PIC and just commanded 'pilot' to follow her vectors, as he seemed to be able to follow simple instructions but unable to fly plane independently. No escape for pilot on grounds of 'bad weather': it was clearly VMC as there was never a mention of an instrument approach.
I gotta say, I had the same issue coming in from the northeast with picking out the airfield, let alone the runway at VGT, and that was just a 172. Not anywhere near this bad, but I couldn't tell Nellis Approach I had the field in sight until I was practically over the airfield. Everything's brown there, nothing to differentiate the airfield from the surrounding city.
Flew maintenance flights out of ICT with several non-N registered aircraft. The ICT ATC guys switched up when they thought they were dealing with a crew of English-challenged guys. They would speak slower. And just give the crew radar vectors to get them lined up on the runway. I once did a test hop with a Brazilian crew. Flying with them, it was obvious that they knew how to fly the airplane. But they had trouble understanding the return clearance given by ICT. I couldn't understand him either (as one who isn't used to the rate they talk). When ATC stopped talking, the copilot (working the comms) just turned around and gave me a "WTF?" look. I just laughed and shrugged. He then gives me an "Okay, I got it" look, and radios ATC (in a heavy accented English......"Theese ize Papa-Tango- Oscar -Delta - Wheeskey, we would like to return to Wichita pleeze....." At which point, the directions were slowed down, and the plain radar vectors commenced.
And remember, this is a two pilot jet, with the co pilot running the radios. And the intercom language between the pilots being Spanish. And who is likely to be a low-time guy not used to speaking English. Especially at the speed rate of typical ATC communications
@@randomperson130 if they had an approach, it would interfere with the approach paths for LAS and Nellis. That’s my guess as to why they don’t have ones for those runways
The wind was calm. The tower should have vectored them for an ILS, even though the weather was clear. If you can't see the runway from two miles away, don't try a visual approach.
Skipper was taking a nap, so Gilligan landed the plane. It appears they were unfamiliar with the area and flying to fast for the pattern. Scary. I don't think they actually broke any regulations though.
"give me a break, it's my first time in an airplane. However, after this flight, I'll have my 1500 hours and I'll put in an application to the airlines. GTT"
@@drmayeda1930 The Citation C650 is big enough that it needs a specific type rating. That means that the pilot _must_ have had specific training _in that specific type of aircraft_ to be able to (legally) fly it.
I am not even questioning how he got a license, because Mexico: I am questioning who is insuring this plane, because they may have some questions following this flight.
At 6:03 controller says continue northbound. When the "pilot" continues northbound, she corrects him for the heading. I think that's an error. She was getting flustered and I don't blame her.
The 650 series brought to Citation family a very "JET like" jet. What I mean is that IF the pilot is not very well trained or transitioned (if he came from straight wings) to the 650's things like this can happen.
This was hard to edit...
Victor - you fly Citations. Any idea why he was having so much trouble?
This was hard to watch. 😬
As always, thanks for all your efforts, much appreciated.
I imagine....great job though!
Overwhelmed and task saturated - you can hear the stress in his voice... ATC really went over and above. After listening to this for a while I thought it was going to eventually show up on a different kind of channel :( She probably saved him. X-registry, he's not from around here.
Legends say he's still turning left base to this day...
hahaha
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sounds like this pilot is new to jets! good lord!
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It's like an espisode of the twilight zone!
The most underrated part of this is the perfect weather. The winds were calm, the sky clear, and visibility at its maximum. You cannot find weather this perfect!
You would think that would be the easiest. but he might've been better off flying an instrument approach using the auto pilot,, which I'm pretty sure he uses all of the time. I bet he has no experience hand flying a citation.
@@smokendt Scary
I think that steady wind perfectly align with the runway is much better than wind calm, because it reduces ground speed on approach and final. At least I prefer that, though wind calm is a close second
@@smokendt so you are telling me that flying IFR is easier than visual? What school did you go to?
@@AndreMorri What I'm saying is that this particular pilot doesn't seem capable to hand fly the Citation. He is most likely used to letting the auto pilot fly. And yes, in a Citation its easier to let the auto pilot fly the approach. Just because your filed IFR doesn't mean your always in IMC. What most people on here don't realize is that this is most likely a crew of 2 pilots and that the pilot talking on the radio is probably not the flying pilot. I don't think that the 650 has an SE certification. I could be wrong, its been a while since I've flown any of the Citations series, and I don't care enough about it to look it up.. As for my education, I went to college over 30 years ago for aviation and I've been flying ever since.
The last time I saw a pilot that far behind the aircraft, he was in the glider being towed by it.
Hahaha
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😂😂😂 good one
hahhaha
rekt
FAA needs to look into this. To make the same mistake over and over means very poor experience and a lot of risk for the folks on the aicraft and on the ground. Kudos to the controller.
Nepotism very probably got him his job
Does he comprehend English?... and most of the controller usually give vectors don't they and not just "turn 25deg"... he may not comprehend visual deg vs heading degree?
Mexico registration and no violations
@@t.c.2776 completely wrong. He is replying to the tower and following instructions. He still overshooting the runway. That is the main issue also poor decisions
@@t.c.2776 They tried giving vectors... they tried having him follow the pattern... they tried giving him amounts to turn... they were literally trying everything
There seriously needs to be an investigation into this guy
He's obviously not a Sully pilot!
If there is, I can pretty much 100% say their report will come back with the sentence, “We have found insufficient evidence of regulatory noncompliance to proceed with additional action and we consider this matter closed.”
Ask me how I know this.
@@dorianjepsen2179 hahaha out of curiosity, dare I ask, how do you know this?
@@dorianjepsen2179yes how?
@@Steezington he got busted 🤣😂😂🤣
That controller is a saint. How that pilot is up in the air in a Citation is madness.
After 5 missed approaches and on 6th attemp…GTT - “Are we cleared to land?” 😂😂😂😂 Bro! The entire airport is outside watching you! YES! You’re cleared to land!
The airport is yours! We just want you to land the plane safely… take your time, no pressure
LMAO 🤣. LMAO 🤣...Great response.
all the fuel trucks are now off site, and everybody in the hangars is doing "duck and cover"... Just get over with it
@@ricardokowalski1579 lol 😆. Isn't that the truth...Seriously though, that was a Citation being piloted, not a Cessna 120. Questions need to be asked.
That made me laugh too. I wonder if she gave him a phone number to call.
"Are we cleared to land?" "Are.. are you able to land?"
"clear to land if able...if not, we'll keep trying until you land either intentionally or unintentionally..."
Great job by the tower controller, who probably saved some lives.
Every time she asked what the problem was, or whether they weren't seeing the runway, he just answered "We have it in sight now". She was very patient with him.
This was most likely a training flight
@@mistahshade it most certainly was not. Flight originated from Texas as well
That controller is a SAINT! I would have lost it on like the third miss. Scramble the fighters! We’ll get him down! 😂😂😂
Pretty sure that Citation wasn’t the only plane flying around while Tower worked it in their pattern…outstanding job from that Tower Controller.
Holy crap this was ridiculous. I can't believe there are people like this guy up there flying jets. Unreal
Foreign pilot. I deal with it occasionally from the foreign flight students out of UND ( grand forks ND)
I see it quite often actually. It’s either typically new pilots with no experience or they just have no business flying an airplane. That’s the problem nowadays with the rampant shortage of experienced pilots just about everywhere. Anyone can fly just about anything with no overall flight time.
@@E2Driver I don't understand. I didn't solo till my cfi knew I was ready. who the f signs off on these idiots and how do they pass exams and checkrides?
@@ahmadsamadzai8255 it definitely boggles the mind sometimes how crews get properly checked. I understand it may be hard to pick out an airport sometimes but these guy’s obviously couldn’t properly control their machine to make it work once they did confirm visual. The scary part is, there was likely 2 guys in plane. I could be wrong but Im pretty sure it’s a two-crew aircraft and neither one of them could make it work or they didn’t work together.
@theQdriver I think that's what they now call equity and inclusion. Total bs.
"are we cleared to land?" cracked me up. Yes mate, been cleared to land for over an hour.
The way I look at it this is the one thing he did right. Yes, he was cleared to land, but he wasn't sure so he did the right thing and asked.
I wonder if they were narcos
technically not cleared to land anymore once you go missed which he did like 1000 times
I just want to tell you good luck, we're all counting on you.
Roger Roger! What's your vector victor?
LOL. Epic.
Hey! You’re Kareem Abdul-Jabar!
@@ronsantos3313 My dad says you don't work hard enough on defense.
It's terrifying knowing we are sharing the same airspace with people like this.
especially with a jet ...
Oh my god that was painful. An investigation needs to be done or something
There’s no violation here. It looks a little clumsy, yes, but the pilot did maintain good radio communication and complied with the controller’s instructions.
He didn’t comply various times, but ATC amended their instructions repeatedly in order to get this individual in a pilot’s seat somehow back on track. Seriously, even communication was totally all over the place with asking for instructions that had already been given. Apart from being able to walk away after getting the aircraft down nothing resembling airmanship even remotely.
@@SebastianBrandes2300 The plot was more than a little clumsy in my opinion. Good radio communication? Well it looks like the radio was working. And I guess the pilot finally decided to land. How many times was he cleared? How many times did he miss the approach? How many runways were available? At least he didn't run out of fuel. But to me it seems that aircraft was flying with a defective pilot. Maybe checking the pilot should be added to the prefilght checklist.
@@SebastianBrandes2300 I wonder whether a drug test would prove you right?
@@beachbum77979 Feels like another letter needs to be added to IMSAFE.
More passes than the Blue Angels at the airshow!
That controller is a saint.
If he did that at JFK, the controller would've had him land at a different airport....
That controller is a professional, exactly what an ATC is expected to be. There is no place in ATC comms for impatient, rude, snarky, imprecise, rushed, overly-complicated or nasty transmissions. The lady did her job just as it’s supposed to be done. It just goes to show how much standards have slipped when this is exceptional and not the norm 😥
@@socal20001 Controller what? he attempted to land on the wrong runway twice, I think pilots waiting to take off would have evacuated their aircrafts and ran away. Plus fighter jets would have been called in.
@@virginiaviola5097 She did a good job, but not very close to "as it's supposed to be done". Look up some standard phraseology and the reasons it exists. She's off by a mile at some points here and that can really become an issue, especially with non-native speakers.
That controller is satan.....had to endure her shitty attitude while based in KVGT for awhile.
This guy will put his plane through your building with strong radio confidence.
This is a 2 pilot aircraft. Probably an inexperienced co-pilot flying with instructor on the radios
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@@rk5634 Not a chance, it's a multi-million-dollar private jet, no PNF or captain would allow this ignorance in the first place, much less the second missed-approach MUCH LESS THE FIFTH MISSED-APPROACH.
No, just no...
@@EstorilEm you'd be surprised at the level of incompetentance in the 91/135 world. Add in the foreign factor...
Good thing he was flying into an airport with relatively little traffic. Had this been a busy airport this would have been real trouble.
This is my home airport and 99% of the time it is SLAMMED with traffic so thankfully he chose the one time it wasn’t busy to act like an idiot
Other traffic was trimmed out of this video.
North vegas is normally an extremely busy airport, with claustrophobic airspace dimensions because of downtown vegas and the international airport nearby
@@nathanmcguire932 don't forget Nellis AFB just East. It's why the ATC got short when the pilot requested a right turn to final.
This is how it feel controlling for UND student pilots sometimes
Thank you VASAviation for editing for us 🙏👋👍
No problem 👍
Gawd bless that ATCs patience
I'm gonna say it, God bless that ATC's patience
@@n721sw
Thank you, and Amen 🙏🏼!
Really though. A less patient controller could have stressed out the pilot even more and lead to loss of life. Major props!
I think she can log an hour of CFI time? lol
That’s my home airport. She is seriously one of the best. Extremely professional and always composed and very nice too
I hope she called the authorities in the meantime what is going on here?
Might have been easier for the controller to stand in the middle of the runway with a lasso, climb up and land the plane herself.
LOL you took the words right out of my mouth.
That is exactly what I was going to post in the comments.
You're absolutely 💯 right. 👌👏😊
Lol
Flight history back through early December shows that this was just the third night landing for that aircraft in almost four months. Those other two were flights into Monterey, NL, Mexico (apparently home base for this aircraft). MTY is outside of town, not in the middle of a well-lit residential area like a Vegas suburb, and the pilot was most likely very familiar with the area... maybe the guy has trouble with night flying...
Good insight, that could make sense. I’m shocked they didn’t ask for an approach… hell I request an approach just because it’s late and I’m tired.
Too busy looking at the Las Vegas Strip
I've dealt with that controller a few times now, and I've made a pretty big mistake there before and she is for sure the most patient and helpful controller I've ever dealt with.
Absolutely unbelievable. 99.99% of the time, ATC needs to honor pilot requests, because they are the PIC. But once the pilot requested the shorter runway 30R, I think that this is the rare exception.
ATC doesn’t have to honor any pilot request unless it’s an emergency.
@@stevenbeach748 Awesome screen name! 😂
She figured if he didn’t make 30R he’d be a crater somewhere on 30L anyway
That's not how it works. Not even close...
None of what you said there makes any sense at all.
2/3rds of the way through the vid I was half expecting her to ask him how much fuel he has left..! 😅
Justifiable concern: 'pilot' obviously incompetent, flying a jet with its ass'd fuel consumption. I was wondering the same: when will he run out of gas? And, for this 'pilot', will his last transmission be 'engines don't seem to be producing thrust'?
ATC turn left 45 degrees and line up for crosswind approach.
Pilot: My left or your left.
ATC: Just do us all a favor and keep both your hands where we can see them when you exit the plane! 🤪
Wow. I have primary students who don't need that many tries to get lined up. :D
XBGTT, taxi to the flight school - obviously you need an instructor.
The controllers at VGT have gotten a bad rap lately due to some unfortunate incidents that weren’t directly their fault. I’m based there and this is one of our amazing controllers. They do a fantastic job and I’m not surprised at all at how well she did.
Looked like an average to poor ATC job to me. The controller needs to stop issueing "turn left or right" instructions and give more precise vectors when she realizes the pilot is having trouble, just vector him with heading instructions for a long final into RWY 30L and this was over 15 minutes ago.
@@LuisArgerich I disagree. LAS Bravo is 2 miles from the approach end of 30L. A long final would have required a Bravo clearance. The controller is not responsible for the competency of the pilot. She was very patient with a completely incompetent “pilot” who wasn’t able to comprehend her simple directions. My only argument is that 12R has been designated as the calm wind runway and I don’t know why it wasn’t being used. I don’t recall what the winds were in the video.
@@mikeboulant8911 I was unaware of the possible conflict with LAS Bravo space. But as you say if 12R was ok then the same was valid, why not vector him for a long final into 12R?
As a controller, I call bullshit. She wasn’t amazing at all. Sorry to piss on your chips (or ‘fries’ as you call them stateside).
@@atc54m Not pissin on my chips. I’m just a lowly observer here😀. What should she have done differently? That pilot had no business being in the air. VGT is a very easy airport to fly into. No terrain to deal with and easily spotted from the air. Granted, 30L can be tight, given the proximity to LAS Bravo. But a jet pilot should have no issue navigating it.
This citation needs a citation.
And the controller needs a cerveza.
6:07 XBGTT: "Roger, no problem"
Narrator: "there was very much a problem"
Where's Morgan Freeman when we need him?
The Citation C650 is operated by 2 pilots, maybe the FO was flying and the Captain monitoring was just laughing his face off. Or the passengers were paying for the flight time by the minute, so a couple more go-arounds won't hurt :)
7:50 “Are we cleared to land?”
At this point, that’s up to you, chief…
What? Why? Up to the pilot to land? Is the in an emergency?
I would say there should be a number to be called there for the numerous flight deviations. Can't believe that happened...
The aircraft is Mexican registered. The pilot is probably licensed there too. I'm not sure the FAA can do much about this idiot.
@@stonehobson2487 I suspect the airspeed was WAY over the speed limit.
Giving this pilot a number to call would be too painful.
He would probably mess up the numbers, make the ATC repeat a zillion times..
@Boss Tanaka agreed. He should have been met with blue lights and badges for investigation.
"And when ready, can you be ready with a pen as I have a lots of numbers to give you, for you to call..." Great job by ATC!
The absolute confidence of this man despite being absolutely clueless is, truly, something to behold.
I only fly virtually but even i'm kinda amazed by this.
A 6 year old on MSFS could do better
@@SuperBen316 I remember being 12 and did that mission where both engines on a 737 flame out and you had to glide to a runway designed for smaller planes like a Cessna and I did that smoothly using a *mouse*. wtf was this approach in the video like seriously?
Bruh I did my taxiing yesterday like this in Ivao (EDDM airport)
@@ebincd2362 i remember that mission! It was called Limited Options I believe and you had the option to land on Honolulu (and another airfield which i can’t recall). Great times!
Wow. She should turn this guy in to the FAA.
More likely customs, that sounds like they are minimal hours drug smugglers
@@johnarnell4241 yea, didn't think about that angle. You could be right.
@John Arnell I think you might have nailed that on the head...
Looking at the recent flights of XBGTT, suspiciosly many of those are crossing the US-Mexico border...
@@johnarnell4241 Yeah, thought the same the minute I saw the tail number and looked it up.
OMG..That controller should be nominated for sainthood, for her calmness and patience!
"GTT, I have a phone number for you to call... it's for an instructor who will help you land. Then I have *another* phone number for you to call"
I did most of my PPL flight training at this airport - there's a ton of commercial jet activity that doesn't want to fly into KLAS mixed in with a bunch of general aviation folks. And some days you do see the occasional person who makes you wonder how they got their license/endorsements to begin with.
May I ask which flight school you chose and would you recommend it or any other at North LV Airport?
@@christianstone4724 It's been a couple years but I did it with West Air and they were excellent.
@Joshua Dworkin. I also trained at West Air. We both know that the right turn when taking off of 30R or even 30L, if you a bit tardy in making the turn to head to NW Practice Area can put right at the edge of BOTH Nellis AND KLAS Class Bravo airspace. How this guy screwed the pooch 6 times is still beyond me. We both have made left base to 30L numerous times and a rare calm day too. This guy was either incompetent or a total moron or some combination of both.
I could not have been as patient as she was! Kudos to her, and well done to him for not trying to force one of the unstable approaches. We may all have a giggle, but way too many accidents happen that way 😞
One would assume they may have been actually on a charter leg with passengers in the back. Which makes this even more crazy
That makes me feel much better about the times I mess up joining a circuit! ATC, as everyone has said, is a saint! But the big take out for me is, no matter how messed up things are don’t panic, first keep flying, then keep navigating and talk when you can. Who knows what was going on with the pilot; nav systems, medical, mechanical…But ultimately everybody was safe and I know other pilots and passengers have been less fortunate because the P1 did not keep their sh!t together.
uhhh if something like that was happening, atc should have been made aware. this guy is just a moron plain and simple
Wow. I kept wanting to laugh, but it's a serious situation. Incredible patience by ATC.
I laughed anyway. Pretty much the entire video.
Very serious. These are the types that cause midairs or incorrect taxi into active runways…
And where is the joke?
His failure to maintain speed, calculate landing speed is all that you need to know. He is literally floating on the runway when flaring.
This made me think of the movie "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" when Mickey Rooney and Buddy Hackett are trying to land the plane and Jesse White in the Control Tower says, "Why don't we just shoot 'em down and be through with it?"
I was thinking the same thing. They should check the registration on this plane and see if the family name is Backus.
Fantastic movie!
Lol 😂 Your comment made me crack up. That movie is the best.
What a patient and knowledgeable controller. She did a fantastic job.
An experienced ATC saved the day plus a few lives.
In a complicated, dynamic environment such as piloting a plane, we all must know our roles and responsibilities, these pilots were on the low experience side of the scales while the ATC was able to equalize the balance. Well done
One of the BEST ATC controller ever listened. She did a great job!
That’s my home airport and she is one of the absolute best! Always so professional and handles things like a boss
I know that North Las Vegas airport is sometime hard to see...
BUT THAT WAS NUTS!
I wished I was on the ground nearby to see that plane go around so many times...
I would have turned on my raio to listen to the emergency, but there was none declared.
AMAZING CONTROLLER!
Congratulations to your puppy mill ATC school & all the DPe’s who let you through!! Bravo
I feel for both individuals on the radio. They both must have been sweating bullets. Amazing professionalism and kindness by the controller.
Unknown owner.
Most flights between Mexico, Austin, Vegas.
Impairment seems plausible.
Wow. That was nerve racking to watch. Kudos to the controller.
Does anyone know if the pilots were actually experiencing an aircraft problem, and if so what was it?
Yes, this was purely a flight control actuator short circuit.
Yeah, I would be curious to know if ATC has the option to call law enforcement to do a breathalyser test? Or how should such suspicions be handled?
It does seems like the pilot is attempting to do a visual pattern and approach into 30L at KVGT without cutting into KLAS's Bravo airspace. There is like 2 nm between threshold of 30L and the edge of the Bravo, and I would imagine that to be fairly tight for a C650 to manuever in. The pilots are probably not used to tight patterns and it is more than likely spatial disorientation as well as fatigue is settling in. It is puzzling tho why they don't choose to get vectored out for a RNAV into 12R when they are already disorientated and the wind is calm.
Reminds me of Magnum force with Clint Eastwood climbs onboard the mighty 707 masquerading as a captain.
Harry: says to the F/O put us into take off position
F/O: looks at him strange and says I know this is a strange question, Captain do you know how to fly
Harry: smiles NOPE!
So painful to listen to.
That controller was heroic to stay in the tower while Wrong Way Feldman tried to land!
She should have instructed him to turn southwest heading two-two-five and tell him don’t stop until he sees Gilligan’s Island.
I’d love to see a video of the landing
The landing sequence in the movie airplane is almost spot on I'd say
Holy hell that was painful
how could this person get a pilot license at the first place? ......... I am very concerned
Things are a bit different in India, apparently.
He had a heartbeat.........qualified 🥴🥴🥴🙄🙄🙄
Same way they get driving licenses - by having someone else take the test..
@@mcresq65 Mexico. XB registration is Mexico.
@@Acrowat40 can tell you know how to cheat the system.
I was on the helo pad for this one….I thought for sure an accident was about to happen….with those wild turns.
This controller was very patient. Now imagine if this was New York…
If this was NYC ATC they would have shot him down or vectored him to Newark.
DCA would eat the man alive
Need Kennedy Steve on this one.
It's like National Lampoon's European Vacation, where Clark keeps pointing out Big Ben and Parliament in the roundabout.
Wow... overshot is an under statement.
Is this guy a licensed pilot certified in the jet?
Is he licensed to fly at all?
@@AviationJeremy I wouldn't wanna be near him in traffic. (automobile traffic)
Certified or certifiable?
(Or cerveza?)
He’s a certified imbecile. Certified in the jet? Unconfirmed.
Is this plane require two pilots? I wonder what was the vice pilot thinking
Why didn’t the controller suggest a longer final, so the pilot could be better stabilized? Maybe I’ll need to check out the untrimmed version to see barriers and/or other traffic.
Las Vegas bravo just to the east.
The North Las Vegas airport sits in a tight space between the Las Vegas Bravo and the Nellis AFB controlled area.
From the northwest. To 12R?
She made the incorrect assumption that he knew how to fly an airplane. That's why.
And immense kudos to Victor for editing this video!
And people like that fly over our heads every day😳
CAVU….
Kudos to the controller patience. Pretty sure she was about to send them northwest for a long straight in to 12R.
That's one way to get in extra stick time.
Crazy discrepancy between ability on the radio (positive) and ability to get lined up etc (negative)…
Thought the same thing. Immediate replies but totally incompetent flying.
Exactly, pilot sounded really competent with his radio skills yet strangely and surprisingly quite poor at flying skills and he is flying a jet, that's weird!
I'm wondering if the pilot got the order of "aviate, navigate, communicate" backwards and got more focused on trying to speak with the tower than trying to fly the instructions.
Because there are 2 pilots. One flying, one working the radios.
@@rk5634 🤟👍
Soo painful! God bless ATC! Just glad he didn’t need an IFR approach in IMC conditions
We all know how that would have ended
She was really patient. I would have asked them if this was their first day flying
ATC needs a medal for patience!
Wow! Professional ATC with a pilot that seems to not know how to fly an expensive plane. Glad he made it on the ground in one piece! Passengers may need to adjust their skivvies!
Passengers need another pilot.
And a visit to Church to praise the Lord for landing after that fiasco.
Either that or change their skivvies.
This is very suspicious. The pilot is obviously not qualified to fly that type, if any aircraft. There needs to be an investigation of this.
Sounds like they received the same training as the pilots of XC-VMC, that crashed in Mexico City some years ago. I would suspect their training is sketchy at best, or non existent!
I don’t know how many times I have read accident reports from Mexico where the pilots acting as PIC or SIC had zero training on the jets they where flying and in many cases lied about their hours to get their licenses. One report said that an SIC of a learjet that went missing didn’t even have his instrument rating, much less his commercial licence. He only had his single engine ppl and even at that he had no flight training records they could find. Yet he was hired as a first officer flying learjets for 135 operations 🤷🏻♂️…
This guy doesn’t know his right from his left. Buen trabajo editando esto. La versión inédita da aún más miedo.
Wow! You wouldn't expect a pilot flying a bird like that to have such difficulty. whew!
It's a business jet, right? Maybe they hired someone's (unqualified) relative?
This gave me flashbacks to my days doing tech support.
Wow! Very excruciating to watch! Awesome controller! She's actually flying the plane! Might have given up on PIC and just commanded 'pilot' to follow her vectors, as he seemed to be able to follow simple instructions but unable to fly plane independently. No escape for pilot on grounds of 'bad weather': it was clearly VMC as there was never a mention of an instrument approach.
I gotta say, I had the same issue coming in from the northeast with picking out the airfield, let alone the runway at VGT, and that was just a 172. Not anywhere near this bad, but I couldn't tell Nellis Approach I had the field in sight until I was practically over the airfield. Everything's brown there, nothing to differentiate the airfield from the surrounding city.
Flew maintenance flights out of ICT with several non-N registered aircraft.
The ICT ATC guys switched up when they thought they were dealing with a crew of English-challenged guys. They would speak slower. And just give the crew radar vectors to get them lined up on the runway.
I once did a test hop with a Brazilian crew. Flying with them, it was obvious that they knew how to fly the airplane. But they had trouble understanding the return clearance given by ICT. I couldn't understand him either (as one who isn't used to the rate they talk).
When ATC stopped talking, the copilot (working the comms) just turned around and gave me a "WTF?" look. I just laughed and shrugged.
He then gives me an "Okay, I got it" look, and radios ATC (in a heavy accented English......"Theese ize Papa-Tango- Oscar -Delta - Wheeskey, we would like to return to Wichita pleeze....."
At which point, the directions were slowed down, and the plain radar vectors commenced.
And remember, this is a two pilot jet, with the co pilot running the radios. And the intercom language between the pilots being Spanish. And who is likely to be a low-time guy not used to speaking English. Especially at the speed rate of typical ATC communications
he needs his ILS so he doesnt have to actually fly anything... visual approaches are too hard LOL
I wonder why 30L and 30R don't have an ILS/RNAV approach, only 12L and 12R do. Doesn't seem like a small airfield.
@@randomperson130 if they had an approach, it would interfere with the approach paths for LAS and Nellis. That’s my guess as to why they don’t have ones for those runways
@@jakeoesterreich8037 Interesting, thanks.
The wind was calm. The tower should have vectored them for an ILS, even though the weather was clear. If you can't see the runway from two miles away, don't try a visual approach.
@@bbgun061 I agree but… she inquired MULTIPLE times if he had the runway in sight and he did.
Skipper was taking a nap, so Gilligan landed the plane. It appears they were unfamiliar with the area and flying to fast for the pattern. Scary. I don't think they actually broke any regulations though.
They had missed approaches which they did not communicate with ATC.
Gilligan must have been staring at MaryAnn's boobs during the approaches.
Too fast
§ 91.13 Reckless and Dangerous Operation
"give me a break, it's my first time in an airplane. However, after this flight, I'll have my 1500 hours and I'll put in an application to the airlines. GTT"
And UAL will be right there to snap him up.
You can actually hear ATC face-palm
Straight into the radar screen
I kept getting this feeling I was watching that movie, "Airplane" again.. with extended scenes
Holy crap! Is this the first time they've flown an aircraft?
Apparently!
Maybe, It's his first time flying a jet engine and the plane is responding sluggishly to pilots actions.
@@drmayeda1930 The Citation C650 is big enough that it needs a specific type rating. That means that the pilot _must_ have had specific training _in that specific type of aircraft_ to be able to (legally) fly it.
@@HiddenWindshield keyword: legally
That means you've been in the sim or should have been, and a check ride...who is this my private instructor would have grounded my ass for this.
Love your work VAS
I am not even questioning how he got a license, because Mexico: I am questioning who is insuring this plane, because they may have some questions following this flight.
insuring a plane is like insuring a motorcycle,pointless, chances are if u crash either your dead lol
@@halld3460 The person flying a plane like this is rarely the one that owns it. That's why you insure it.
Sounded South Asian to me
Wait, what? That's not a Mexican accent; it's Chinese. And his English is fine; his flying is the problem.
VT stands for Victorian territory for India.
ATC: "How can I help you land?"
GTT: "Swap places with me!"
I need to get some lessons on fuel management from this guy!
At 6:03 controller says continue northbound. When the "pilot" continues northbound, she corrects him for the heading. I think that's an error. She was getting flustered and I don't blame her.
She was absolutely amazing.
Thought the winds were screwing with this guy ...then I read the weather at the beginning again.....Jesus I was wrong
Looks like they started Happy Hour before the descent checklist 🎉
For his own safety, he needs to be grounded...flying privileges' withdrawn...license suspended. The controller had the patience of Job.
What patience she has! On the other hand this guy needs to not be flying this aircraft.
X-ray Bravo is a Mexican government registered airplane. X ray Alpha is civilian registered airplane.
Oh dear. Even worse
XA- Civilian-Commercial-Private
XB- Private
XC- Government
This stressed me out so much. That controller has a lot of patience. Does anyone have an update on this guy?
It was so stressful that I actually stopped watching it and haven't gone back to finish.
He's circling the taxiways still trying to find his parking spot.
@@Zerbey I can only imagine! We need the ground audio. Probably took the entire alphabet taxiways.
Dude that guy better be getting a number to copy wow
The thing is he didn’t even break any regulations though🤣
The 650 series brought to Citation family a very "JET like" jet. What I mean is that IF the pilot is not very well trained or transitioned (if he came from straight wings) to the 650's things like this can happen.
I know I'm saying what a lot of others have said, but this flight crew needs to be investigated thoroughly. That controller is unbeleivably patient.