I am f2p and I am cooked. Lost 9 50/50s in a row and did not realize this game would have power creep to this degree. The only gacha I play is Genshin were power creep is pretty much non-existent and you can clear using day 1 four stars.
That amount of losses is litteraly not possible with the hidden system that Hsr has. Data miners found that if you lose 2 50/50 in a row (as in you lost then won and then lost then won) your third attempt will be guaranteed to win the 50/50 (the game tells you it's a 50/50 but that third time will be guaranteed for you to win it)
Im a light spender and even I am Cooked. DHIL Sparkle Tingyun and Luocha cant clear with signature lightcones, Adventure Topaz Robin and Ratio can clear, but its so much slower now. Its crazy.
"Are F2P players cooked?" Brother, we are ALWAYS cooked, even without the hp inflation, we are cooked just by the mere fact that we are gacha players that don't spend money. Also, you are absolutely right on the 4 star thing, there are straight-up more 5 stars than 4 stars, even if 90% of those 5 stars are limited, that's insane! And also a complete oversight on Hoyo's behalf if you ask me, they have NOT seen Molly's stream trying to pull a *single* copy of Moze and getting Feixiao and Robin (E1) on the process. Like, if you are trying to pull one particular 4 star, they are genuinely rarer to pull than any 5 stars, just by the fact that they aren't guaranteed, so the play from Hoyo's part should be putting out a new rate up 4 star on every banner, that way people spend a lot more trying to get the new four star while also spending for the five star, and if they try to get that 4 star to E6, they will have spent more than just getting the new 5 star. Lastly; DID SVAROG PULL ROBIN OUT OF HER CONCERTO STATE?! THAT'S INSANE, bro really hit her with the "Your singing is a mayor threat, stfu"
Also, as for the 4star things: On my main the only one I would consider to have value would have been more Eidolons on Asta, but that will be redundant once I get my hands on Tingyun, but other than that, I would like to get Moze or *Gui* yes, I still don't have her, I got Sus recently, but not her bestie, it's sad, I would like to complete the ghost hunting squad.
As a player who actually pays to support the game, the last time I actually wanted a 4* was Yukong. It costs Hoyoverse money to design, balance, develop, voice act, and market 4* characters. If paying customers no longer care about 4* characters, then where's the incentive for Hoyoverse to make more of them?
I’d say yes. I’m a FTP player but I’m only holding on because I’m a day 1 player. Took me 8 cycles for this MoC. It’s also why I quit Hi3. Great story, characters, and lore, but crazy powercreep and literally requiring certain characters to bypass a mechanic. At least I’m chilling in Genshin. We can play who we want with little issue.
Day 1 players are berly scraping through like us cause we have burned through most resources in the account so pulls are limited and we can't really pull back to back with saving or getting lucky,we in the same boat atleast🤷♂️😅
yeah the hp creep is kinda awful when i first got acheron+weapon i thought that shit was insane and like 2-3 patches later she already kinda sucked, definitely never pulling a cone again, only time I ever pulled on a hoyo weapon banner and probably the last. I recently started playing again after quitting after getting firefly and didnt even bother to return to my old account and just rerolled a new one cause literally everything on that old day 1 account is ass now. I was mostly pulled in by tingyun coming back but after thinking more about it I don't think that's a good idea at all as i would also need firefly and she is already quite old so I guess I'll stick with my aventurine and free characters for now and see what the next version has to offer, I also REALLY want that catgirl so I'll build whatever team she's a part of :p
So true,I swear if they don't find a way to fix this,the dps characters we pull will have overall less value compared to supports or sustains,to the point there would be no reason to pull for them at all without enough jades to vertically invest.
nah trust me, getting Acheron's LC was the best thing to do since it's 30% better than her next S5 4 star option. She's still really good and can clear easily
Man thats depressing, If only they do not make character overpowered so they do not increasing the enemy hp... like, when Daniel released it was so bullshit to see how he do so much damage which i can tell the endgame are gonna suck so bad.
@Kinger_of_the_circus so true but I guess they don't have any idea on how to make more preservation characters cause they are know just for shielding or sustaining without healing like abundance characters so with such a simple concept behind the path I can see why they wouldn't make alot of them. But me personally I want to see a preservation silver wolf only cause of that ability she has from her character trailer of being able to nullify damage completely with pixels.this ability is not in game or in her kit so I guess they could make a new silver wolf from that but I just like silver wolf alot so this might be bias🤷♂️.
@@Kinger_of_the_circus Honestly, it's hard to make shielders to be good without making the game itself way too easy. The same as the Zhongli situation in Genshin, he is way too OP for a shielder and HSR wants to avoid that from happening. It's easier to make healers who helps you out after taking the damage instead of preventing it. And honestly, at this point Aventurine is already on the very maximum where a new shielder who is better than him would just be way too OP for a turn-based game.
no. its simply what characters you decide to go for and what team u have and well of course how many 50/50s you win lol. Preperation is important. Knowing when to skip banners and choose the right characters for ur account etc. Its really not that bad fr
hahahaha no. not at all. whatsoever. There have to be alternatives for if you fail to get a 5 star. And you SHOULDN'T be forced to only get specific characters to even BEAT endgame. People like you are the main issue to why Hoyo thinks the powercreep and HP inflation is justifiable.
Hoyo players were delusional if they thought the P2W from genshin impact was not going to eventually leak into all of hoyoverse's products. Why make a fair game when your a company with no real competition? So what if f2p players quit? The whales keep paying to make the game worse and they love it. F2P players are just advertising to make hoyo look good when in reality, their games across the board are immensely pay to win now. Issue is people like me point this out, and there is always a gacha addict that will throw a fit and call that person toxic. Toxic positivity totem pole in a nutshell.
“p2w from genshin impact” what is bro talking about? genshin is the least predatory hoyo game. you can still clear the abyss with full 4* teams bro and 1.x characters are still some of the most broken characters in the game. you can actually play and pull for characters you like in genshin while hsr forces you to pull for meta TEAMS otherwise you’re just cooked.
Ngl I'm geniunely curious is powercreep really that bad?a lot of my teams to this day consist of just four stars which I have built and they can still clear the main story and endgame modes,the only five stars I really use are Himeko and Aventurine neither are properly built as of yet, I'm doing fine just skipping a couple of patches to save for a charecter I really want while pulling for others on my alt
Wow, you are impressive. My main waifu Sushang supported by E2S1 Robin, E1S0 Lingsha, E0S0 SW took 5 cycles Vs Svarog. The next MoC will soon have an increase HP around 158%. So my main waifu Sushang probably will take 8 cycles just her side 😭
I am F2P, not even bought a monthly card before. I am still clearing MOC on 0 cycle and 36 star the rest of PF, and AS, and I did it every patch(when I don't 0 cycle that month is probably my attention got moved to other Hoyoverse games) 0 Cycle current MOC with F2P is not that hard when you understand how the game works, there is alot of videos out there clearing with 0 cycle that uses less limited chars than me. The game is still pretty easy to be honest. I do not have Firefly in my account :), the key to be good in this game is to understand what unit to pull. I can see there is alot of casuals and weak players out there and the increase in difficulty in the game is affecting them. They just need to understand how the game works more and control their pull temptation. So I do not agree with what you said.
Valid statements but don't forget not everyone can control their pulls cause 50/50s exist and also most content creators push the idea of "pull for what you like" and that also effects many accounts and also not everyone started at the same time so powerful banners or crucial 5* banners were missed thus not working in the accounts favour,so basically your point is super valid and true but there are some complications to it.
Why should Hoyoverse cater to F2P players? HSR is a product. It costs them money to develop, market, and support the game. If you don't spend money to buy signature lightcones or Eidolons, then characters will get powercrept very fast. Hoyoverse has no obligation to keep F2P players happy. The game is optimised for paying customers.
True,but in my opinion,making a game entirely just for people to spend money doesn't make sense if it is free to download and also offers some free rewards for people who don't spend and also provide the currency used to pull by just playing the game so that totally takes away from the point of this game only catering to P2W players as it would have been a game you pay to even download instead of being free in the first place.
@@KelkGaming The only reason Hoyoverse let you play HSR for free, is because they're hoping F2P players will want an OP new character so badly, that they get tempted to get out the credit card. F2P have been able to have fun clearing all content for 18 months. All for free. I'm just surprised they let F2P stay that competitive for so long.
@malificajones7674 when you put it like that,that makes much more sense but they can't keep this up forever cause sooner or later it won't even be worth playing anymore
@@KelkGamingThe only people it won’t be worth playing for is f2p players, and like the above people said Hoyo could care less if a f2p player stops playing the game their ultimate goal is to get you to spend money.
True,but you gotta remember how big this game is and it's not like its only one f2p who stops playing,cause most gacha games in general have most of their player base consist of f2p players and their game losing that many people would massively effect no matter if they want to make money or not,as we have seen with the whole genshin incident they had before Natlan came out
![[HSR] 2.7 MOC E5 S1 Firefly + E6 S1 Acheron + E6 S1 Lingsha](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/iyxJhLn5PU8/mqdefault.jpg)
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I am f2p and I am cooked. Lost 9 50/50s in a row and did not realize this game would have power creep to this degree. The only gacha I play is Genshin were power creep is pretty much non-existent and you can clear using day 1 four stars.
A fellow cooked player.glad to hear your still surviving in genshin.
@ In Genshin I am THRIVING. I can complete any endgame with the most wacky teams and 90% of combat events I can complete the hardest difficulty.
@komgoo4974 Massive W💯
FGO player here, didn't know powercreep was a thing until I joined Star rail lol
That amount of losses is litteraly not possible with the hidden system that Hsr has. Data miners found that if you lose 2 50/50 in a row (as in you lost then won and then lost then won) your third attempt will be guaranteed to win the 50/50 (the game tells you it's a 50/50 but that third time will be guaranteed for you to win it)
Im a light spender and even I am Cooked. DHIL Sparkle Tingyun and Luocha cant clear with signature lightcones, Adventure Topaz Robin and Ratio can clear, but its so much slower now. Its crazy.
I feel your pain
powercreep is barely a thing in genshin and honkai endgame in 1.0 compared to 2.6 is ridicoulous
"Are F2P players cooked?" Brother, we are ALWAYS cooked, even without the hp inflation, we are cooked just by the mere fact that we are gacha players that don't spend money.
Also, you are absolutely right on the 4 star thing, there are straight-up more 5 stars than 4 stars, even if 90% of those 5 stars are limited, that's insane! And also a complete oversight on Hoyo's behalf if you ask me, they have NOT seen Molly's stream trying to pull a *single* copy of Moze and getting Feixiao and Robin (E1) on the process. Like, if you are trying to pull one particular 4 star, they are genuinely rarer to pull than any 5 stars, just by the fact that they aren't guaranteed, so the play from Hoyo's part should be putting out a new rate up 4 star on every banner, that way people spend a lot more trying to get the new four star while also spending for the five star, and if they try to get that 4 star to E6, they will have spent more than just getting the new 5 star.
Lastly; DID SVAROG PULL ROBIN OUT OF HER CONCERTO STATE?! THAT'S INSANE, bro really hit her with the "Your singing is a mayor threat, stfu"
Bro,best comment ever🤣🤣,there is no way I didn't even see svarog do that, thats crazy,the fact that he can do that thats so over powered
Also, as for the 4star things: On my main the only one I would consider to have value would have been more Eidolons on Asta, but that will be redundant once I get my hands on Tingyun, but other than that, I would like to get Moze or *Gui* yes, I still don't have her, I got Sus recently, but not her bestie, it's sad, I would like to complete the ghost hunting squad.
@lennyfacebutnotreally3198 bro same eidolons would be great but thats just a personal thing and not meta relevant at all
As a player who actually pays to support the game, the last time I actually wanted a 4* was Yukong.
It costs Hoyoverse money to design, balance, develop, voice act, and market 4* characters.
If paying customers no longer care about 4* characters, then where's the incentive for Hoyoverse to make more of them?
@malificajones7674 absolutely true
I’d say yes. I’m a FTP player but I’m only holding on because I’m a day 1 player. Took me 8 cycles for this MoC.
It’s also why I quit Hi3. Great story, characters, and lore, but crazy powercreep and literally requiring certain characters to bypass a mechanic.
At least I’m chilling in Genshin. We can play who we want with little issue.
Day 1 players are berly scraping through like us cause we have burned through most resources in the account so pulls are limited and we can't really pull back to back with saving or getting lucky,we in the same boat atleast🤷♂️😅
yeah the hp creep is kinda awful when i first got acheron+weapon i thought that shit was insane and like 2-3 patches later she already kinda sucked, definitely never pulling a cone again, only time I ever pulled on a hoyo weapon banner and probably the last. I recently started playing again after quitting after getting firefly and didnt even bother to return to my old account and just rerolled a new one cause literally everything on that old day 1 account is ass now. I was mostly pulled in by tingyun coming back but after thinking more about it I don't think that's a good idea at all as i would also need firefly and she is already quite old so I guess I'll stick with my aventurine and free characters for now and see what the next version has to offer, I also REALLY want that catgirl so I'll build whatever team she's a part of :p
So true,I swear if they don't find a way to fix this,the dps characters we pull will have overall less value compared to supports or sustains,to the point there would be no reason to pull for them at all without enough jades to vertically invest.
nah trust me, getting Acheron's LC was the best thing to do since it's 30% better than her next S5 4 star option. She's still really good and can clear easily
Man thats depressing, If only they do not make character overpowered so they do not increasing the enemy hp... like, when Daniel released it was so bullshit to see how he do so much damage which i can tell the endgame are gonna suck so bad.
5:38 our bedroom is the new area lol
But no chests though 😅
@KelkGaming You still get around a whole multi pull from the event that's linked to the area. Isn't that enough jades from a single area?
@tovarishchfeixiao in most cases but in some its not enough
Where are the preservation characters at???????😂😂😂
I don't have any😅😅but my next video is about one of them
@ I’m talk about hoyo
The only new pres characters we got was the gambler boy and the short pink girl
@Kinger_of_the_circus so true but I guess they don't have any idea on how to make more preservation characters cause they are know just for shielding or sustaining without healing like abundance characters so with such a simple concept behind the path I can see why they wouldn't make alot of them.
But me personally I want to see a preservation silver wolf only cause of that ability she has from her character trailer of being able to nullify damage completely with pixels.this ability is not in game or in her kit so I guess they could make a new silver wolf from that but I just like silver wolf alot so this might be bias🤷♂️.
@@Kinger_of_the_circus Honestly, it's hard to make shielders to be good without making the game itself way too easy. The same as the Zhongli situation in Genshin, he is way too OP for a shielder and HSR wants to avoid that from happening. It's easier to make healers who helps you out after taking the damage instead of preventing it.
And honestly, at this point Aventurine is already on the very maximum where a new shielder who is better than him would just be way too OP for a turn-based game.
Im f2p and my MoC crystals dont glow that much. Is your bloom at 200%
I've been playing since day 1 and somehow my natasha is still E1, not like it matters tho. Actual worst kit design in the game
really? dang. I d idn't get Tingyun until Fu Xuan, was pain. Still though, as soon as I got her at e0 I got her at e6 like 2 patches later.
Atleast you get a Free Lynx now
no. its simply what characters you decide to go for and what team u have and well of course how many 50/50s you win lol. Preperation is important. Knowing when to skip banners and choose the right characters for ur account etc. Its really not that bad fr
I love how you make it sound so basic,my friends keeps losing his 50/50s and has S5 Bailu light cone and E2 Bailu😭💀
hahahaha no. not at all. whatsoever. There have to be alternatives for if you fail to get a 5 star. And you SHOULDN'T be forced to only get specific characters to even BEAT endgame. People like you are the main issue to why Hoyo thinks the powercreep and HP inflation is justifiable.
Hoyo players were delusional if they thought the P2W from genshin impact was not going to eventually leak into all of hoyoverse's products. Why make a fair game when your a company with no real competition? So what if f2p players quit? The whales keep paying to make the game worse and they love it. F2P players are just advertising to make hoyo look good when in reality, their games across the board are immensely pay to win now. Issue is people like me point this out, and there is always a gacha addict that will throw a fit and call that person toxic. Toxic positivity totem pole in a nutshell.
I agree with you so much on this but all we can do is just voice our opinions and get called toxic for it 🤷♂️
“p2w from genshin impact” what is bro talking about? genshin is the least predatory hoyo game. you can still clear the abyss with full 4* teams bro and 1.x characters are still some of the most broken characters in the game. you can actually play and pull for characters you like in genshin while hsr forces you to pull for meta TEAMS otherwise you’re just cooked.
@meiilu7799 so true
“P2W from genshin” bro what?
Y think is pay to fast, not pay to win
Ngl I'm geniunely curious is powercreep really that bad?a lot of my teams to this day consist of just four stars which I have built and they can still clear the main story and endgame modes,the only five stars I really use are Himeko and Aventurine neither are properly built as of yet, I'm doing fine just skipping a couple of patches to save for a charecter I really want while pulling for others on my alt
Damn thats actually pretty impressive 👏
Wow, you are impressive.
My main waifu Sushang supported by E2S1 Robin, E1S0 Lingsha, E0S0 SW took 5 cycles Vs Svarog. The next MoC will soon have an increase HP around 158%. So my main waifu Sushang probably will take 8 cycles just her side 😭
@arzonong7363 its looking grim for all our mains
@arzonong7363 What does the "S" stand for? I'm not familiar with the S abreviation or at least don't remember but i know E = Eidolon
@wiredlos9841 s= superimposition of the light cone
Getting one copy of the LC is S1
Max copies that we can superimpose is S5
Fxxk the meta
All i want is to look at my waifu Seele
I can agree with that 💯
Are south African
Yes
I am F2P, not even bought a monthly card before.
I am still clearing MOC on 0 cycle and 36 star the rest of PF, and AS, and I did it every patch(when I don't 0 cycle that month is probably my attention got moved to other Hoyoverse games)
0 Cycle current MOC with F2P is not that hard when you understand how the game works, there is alot of videos out there clearing with 0 cycle that uses less limited chars than me. The game is still pretty easy to be honest.
I do not have Firefly in my account :), the key to be good in this game is to understand what unit to pull.
I can see there is alot of casuals and weak players out there and the increase in difficulty in the game is affecting them. They just need to understand how the game works more and control their pull temptation. So I do not agree with what you said.
Valid statements but don't forget not everyone can control their pulls cause 50/50s exist and also most content creators push the idea of "pull for what you like" and that also effects many accounts and also not everyone started at the same time so powerful banners or crucial 5* banners were missed thus not working in the accounts favour,so basically your point is super valid and true but there are some complications to it.
What two teams did you use to complete the latest MoC 12 in 0 cycles?
I’m f2p and I have 6 limited 5 stars after playing for 6 months so I’m not cooked
I also got 3 5 stacks cac and 2 5 star weapon on the first day I played
And I love only lost 1 50/50
I have robin, fu Xuan, adventurine , feixioa, ruan mei, firefly, topaz, I meant 7 limited 5 stars
So I ain’t cooked
Maybe just get better that way you won’t be cooked
Are u African brotha?
Yep
@KelkGaming Thought so, nun of my friends are that well spoken with English ngl 😂
@shan3zon374 yeah I kinda speak more English then SA languages 😅 besides I also not that good at Afrikaans either
@@KelkGaming U and me both fo sure 😮💨
Your voice 🥴🥴
I can't tell if that's a compliment or not😅
@KelkGaming I'm hard by listening to your voice ~
Why should Hoyoverse cater to F2P players?
HSR is a product. It costs them money to develop, market, and support the game.
If you don't spend money to buy signature lightcones or Eidolons, then characters will get powercrept very fast.
Hoyoverse has no obligation to keep F2P players happy. The game is optimised for paying customers.
True,but in my opinion,making a game entirely just for people to spend money doesn't make sense if it is free to download and also offers some free rewards for people who don't spend and also provide the currency used to pull by just playing the game so that totally takes away from the point of this game only catering to P2W players as it would have been a game you pay to even download instead of being free in the first place.
@@KelkGaming The only reason Hoyoverse let you play HSR for free, is because they're hoping F2P players will want an OP new character so badly, that they get tempted to get out the credit card.
F2P have been able to have fun clearing all content for 18 months. All for free.
I'm just surprised they let F2P stay that competitive for so long.
@malificajones7674 when you put it like that,that makes much more sense but they can't keep this up forever cause sooner or later it won't even be worth playing anymore
@@KelkGamingThe only people it won’t be worth playing for is f2p players, and like the above people said Hoyo could care less if a f2p player stops playing the game their ultimate goal is to get you to spend money.
True,but you gotta remember how big this game is and it's not like its only one f2p who stops playing,cause most gacha games in general have most of their player base consist of f2p players and their game losing that many people would massively effect no matter if they want to make money or not,as we have seen with the whole genshin incident they had before Natlan came out
I am chilling just pull better.