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Nintendo has really messed up and refused to add any Sonic character to Super Smash Bros Ultimate. Which I think is crazy since there is 8 FIRE EMBLEM characters in smash and only ONE SONIC character. Shadow could've been great. Or Knuckles is practically made for smash. He's in Project Plus or Project +, so why can't he be in an official smash game like Super Smash Bros Ultimate.
#smashbros #sonic #smash
We don’t need 8 Anime Swordsmen, we need 7 Mobians and an Egg-Shaped Genius in a Mobility Scooter.
WE NEED BLUE RAT VS EGG HUMAN
We need a blue robot who can run and fly faster than all 8 mobians and helps the egg shaped man in the mobility scooter
WE NEED FAST BLUE RODENT🦔🦔🦔🦔🦔🦔🦔🦔🦔 VS EGG 🥚 🥚🥚🥚🥚🥚🥚🥚🥚
@@Ashhatesyoutube12345 Fire Emblem like most RPG's are made to appeal to the Japanese first. Since Nintendo is a Japanese company, it's their job to cater to that audience.
You want to know what Japan doesn't care for, Sonic. Yeah Sonic games usually don't sell well in Japan.
@orangeslash1667 This is sad to me. I'm a Sonic main and wish there was more representation for his franchise. But oh well. Thanks for the dropping the knowledge as to why we don't see it. I also kind of want crash bandicoot and Nathan Drake but I doubt I'll get that lucky.
Say you prayers smash 6 adds 30 new fire emblem characters
please no
After a second when the update released may you can t see current ssbu developers again...
Smash 6 is prob gonna have 200+ characters
But I will admit tails would kinda be a bit op
I’m excited for generic swordsman number 841
What people dont realize is Sonic is a Third party character so either Nintendo didnt want anymore sonic characters or Sega didnt come to an agreement with Nintendo similar to the fact that Snake is a solo guy
then why did final fantasy get 2 characters ? that’s non nintendo
@@galidesir9698like the post said Both Nintendo and the company in which the character comes from must mutually agree to allow the use of the character
SEGA just sucks
That's the reason why Sonic is the Only Sonic Rep
The reason why Angel Island is the only remix is because SEGA are making a Nintendo impression with hating Remixes
ANGEL ISLAND REMIX IS MADE BY JUN SO IT ISN'T EVEN A SMASH REMIX
Meaning that the Smash team couldn't make a single Sonic Remix
Just imagining a side bar where if shadow does enough damage he could be super for like a couple of seconds would've been so cool tbh.
Maybe not super, but he could peform a chaos blast if the bar is full
I think chaos blast is better for side bar and super shadow can be final smash
@@-Outlaw- or a meter where if you take enough damage he takes off his inhibitor rings
Chaos shadow
@@makaionswitch7984make him take damage when there off tho
Praying for the day we get Dr Eggman in smash
Allow me to introduce
The modding community
Eggman over Ganondorf
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@@germm8706 hell yeah
@@orangeslash1667 meh it’s not the same, but at the time it seems well continue using mods
@@germm8706 Sakurai usually Chooses characters that are the easiest transfer rather than just popularity. When it comes to egg man, there’s a problem, his mechs are usually too big. Unlike Ridley having egg man fight in a small mech while keeping him balanced, would be a tricky task.
Shadow would have a really cool moveset (with a gun)
I AM ALL OF ME
For his neutral special, He weilds a GUN
@@notyousuf4982 Bruh the whole game has clones, look at Link, Toon Link and Young Link or all the Fire Emblem characters. THEY LITERALLY ARE CLONES OF EACH OTHER
@@Marx_the_Jestershadow has potential since he has chaos powers to be different
@@akiro7640 BUT BETTER CAUSE HE'S THE OG GUNNER
We don't need 8 different versions of marth 😭
Both Shadow and Knuckles would’ve fitted perfectly in Smash bros😂😂😂
Knuckles basically has a whole moveset as an assist trophy, just put him in the damn game 🙄
@@user-lm8ec9cy3mong bro, just him and Shadow, or imagine more characters like
Tails
Silver
Espio
Charmy Bee
Vector
Classic Sonic
That would be sick tho, I would love to see that happen
Ahh yes "Slurmp" the greatest zelda character
Obviously someone's a game grumps fan.
Bro really called roy Ginger marth then immediately brought up black sonic 💀
Yeah black sonic who can teleport, slow down time, fire energy blasts, make giant explosions, and wields guns.
@@BobThePenguin. I was saying if u think Roy is a clone of Marth there's no reason to not think the same about shadow also shadow dosent weild guns he did once 💀
@@BobThePenguin.Roy does a bunch of cool shit too bro
@@BobThePenguin.Pretty sick
@@kylerolsen4300Then why is his moveset almost the same as marth?
Just pretend that Sora is Chris Thorndyke.
LMAO
Yeah
@@tjlnintendo Pretend that R.O.B is an Eggman Robot.
pretend that king k. rool is vector
Who is Chris Thorndyke
Fire Emblem is also a Nintendo IP.
The more you know.
I love this comment
Yeah, the fact that Street Fighter, Castlevania, and Final Fantasy all have more than one character now, but sonic is stuck with one is a more convincing argument
But because it is technically different, if you did not know Castlevania And Final Fantasy originated from Nintendo, so it would make sense to add 2 characters for both and sonic only gets 1 because he originated from sega, also they got 2 from street fighter because the arcade company and Nintendo didn’t have rivalry
We're not in the early 90's anymore. Sega releases their games on Nintendo consoles,and some them of are Nintendo exclusives, They even Crossovered with Nintendo other times than Smash. Castlevania, Final Fantasy, and even Street fighter to some extend are not really associated with Nintendo anymore, Both Castlevania and Final Fantasy had their most iconic and impactful game on the PS1, and Street fighter stop releasing the mainline games on Nintendo since Sf4
Still bullshit. They have animations and models for so many characters from other franchises with fans of each that outnumber the entire fire emblem community put together. No excuse
There's no way I'm the first one to notice the Game Grumps reference with Young Link
Came to the comments to see if anyone else noticed.
Ptsd trigger fr
Uh uh I gotta get out of here
"Slurmp"
*Insert a bunch of laughing here*
It sounds somehow.. familiar.
We don't need Marth and Ginger Marth. Give me Sonic and Emo Sonic! (Shadow was my most wanted for Ultimate lol)
“It makes sense there’s so many of these characters because it’s a Nintendo ip”
Proceeds to complain about a Nintendo ip having a lot of characters
Yeah. Fire Emblem is Nintendo too
Thank you!
Yes but the problem is that they aren’t different enough from each other unlike Mario’s characters or Zelda’s characters
On the other hand Sonic and Knuckles or Eggman move nothing alike and even Shadow could be very different if he focused on chaos control (slowing enemies down making him opposite of sonic who is faster than them), his motorcycle and guns
@@Hk-ox4bbThe Legend of Zelda has THREE LINKS WDYM?!
@@Hk-ox4bb I think the reason why there are so many Fire Emblem characters is because wants to put in as much RPG characters as possible. Why, because RPG's are a deal in Japan and Nintendo is a Japanese company. The problem is that RPGs use to have a hard time selling well in the West, especially strategy games.
Smash will never be a 10 out of 10 until Eggman joins the battle. He is one of the most iconic villains in all of gaming and yet the f****** zombie from Minecraft made it in before him.
Ikr, in fact, Dr. Eggman is said to be the 2nd most iconic video game villain of all time, the only video game villain more iconic than Eggman is Bowser, also Ganondorf is the 3rd most iconic and Sephiroth is the 4th most iconic, Dr. Eggman’s inclusion would make the big 4 complete, and Shadow would make alot of sense as well because he’s the ultimate life form, which is of course within the title of the game itself, so it’d very fitting, and he’d be a good semi clone of Sonic, all of this could be true especially if the next smash game will be a rerelease of Smash Ultimate for the Switch 2, which I can see a high probability of that happening in the future. Also Dr. Eggman and Shadow are the two most highly requested Sonic characters as of currently for when a new Smash game comes out, so it definitely makes the most sense to add those two characters, btw Tails comes in at 3rd most requested and Knuckles comes in at 4th, so if Sega was generous enough, Tails and Knuckles could be included as well, other Sonic characters are much less requested.
@@Azureblue25 Sakurai said in his Terry show case that whether the character is fun to play, as is far more important than whether the character is recognizable to everyone.
Cant wait for smash 6 to get our 85th fire emblem character
There's over 400, they could keep going
@@sirspookybones1118 I think the reason why there are so many Fire Emblem characters is because Nintendo wants to put in as much RPG characters as possible. Why, because RPG's are a deal in Japan and Nintendo is a Japanese company. The problem is that RPGs use to have a hard time selling well in the West, especially strategy games.
Sliver would've been a hard one to beat
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He was in super smash flash as a helper😭😭
Imagine Tails flying 24/7 in the smash game💀
Honestly I’m glad there’s 8 Fire Emblems in Smash. Actually, I wouldn’t mind them adding even more. The Marths are all cool 😎
Nice bait
Byleth has completely different move sets from Marth.
@@ECKohns it’s a joke cuz they all look similar
@@ianthewarriorgamer8180 I think the reason why there are so many Fire Emblem characters is because Nintendo wants to put in as much RPG characters as possible. Why, because RPG's are a deal in Japan and Nintendo is a Japanese company. The problem is that RPGs use to have a hard time selling well in the West, especially strategy games.
"We do not need Marth and ginger Marth" then explains why we need black Sonic to go along with Sonic
Exactly. We don't need clones and lookalikes. And if we are considering 3rd parties. Why not start adding more characters from the first 3rd party guest Smash had -- Metal Gear --. Metal Gear has Big Boss, the original Snake. Snake's Twin, Liquid Snake. Or their other brother Solidus Snake. Or Big Boss Doppelganger venom Snake..... Wait.
Marth and Roy are like the main Fire emblem characters, we 100% need them in the game (I already know there in the game)
“We don’t need clone lookalikes” REALLY? (Dark Samus, Falco, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Young Link, Roy, Ganondorf, Toon link, Lucario, Daisy, Lucina, Chrom, Dark Pit, Isabelle, Ken, and Richter has left the chat)
Literally anyone would work:
Knuckles(one I'd love to see the most)
Shadow
Eggman
Metal Sonic
Yes but Tails
Why not Tails
@@memelordreview209 Tails isn't a fighting type in the sonic series
@@sonictheblockhog5780 super smash flash had no problem with that
@@memelordreview209 Thats a fan game AN FAN GAME ofc they are gonna add characters but still tails fighting experience is just only with his tornado mech from sa2 and just sonic battle which isn't even CANON,
@@sonictheblockhog5780Tails has a lot more experience with his arsenal. He had a long range of tools he used in Tails Adventure and he could have used a ring similar to the one used in Tails Skypatrol. He also could have used his ring bomb and his grab drop from Sonic the Fighters. He has also used the tail swipe that has appeared in multiple games and he still has moves that Sonic can do as well, like the spindash and spring jump, which could have used the spring that was used in Sonic Triple Trouble.
I agree with this,but I admit Roy has been one of my favorites since Melee, to your point I agree we don’t need the rest of them.
Marth, Roy, and Robin would've been perfect
Robin is also decent
@@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy fire emblem is an RPG series. RPGs are you usually very popular in Japan? I think that’s what the fire emblem reps are for. The same thing applies the dragon quest hero.
@@orangeslash1667 that still doesn't equate to having the same amount as pokemon, which is infinitely more popular everywhere 🤔
@@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy Sales isn’t everything when it comes to choosing characters. Sakurai usually chooses characters that are the easiest to design.
This is needed to make sure Sakurai can maintain game balance.
This is why there are mii costumes, because Sakurai tries but fails to make a moveset for a certain character.
Shadow can:
Go as fast as Sonic
Fly
Teleport
Stop time
Shoot projectiles
Go berserk with chaos blast
And so many other chaos related move we cab see in Sonic Battle.
Nintendo can do insane things with this hegehog....
Next game he'll still be an assist trophy and now a mii fighter costume.
shadow cant fly, he can levitate
@@soncraftthehedgehog bro is playing with word
@@aluzion2616 lavitate is staying above the ground at a specific height
His move set is just gonna be spindashes and boring punches probably
Eggman would have to be the next sonic rep.
Tails and shadow in the corner
@@Youraveragemonke Pretend that R.O.B is an Eggman robot. I mean if R.O.B doesn't have his own stage, he might as well represent Robots in general.
Eggman can fit perfectly since bowser junior has a vehicle too
Sonic is my favorite character out of any game character
Same
Sonic is iconic and deserves to stay
Not one for story based games are ya which i can get a good story doesn't make a fun game hell one games im playing now is known for it's bad story to point some people forget how dang good the gameplay is.
I mean.. nintendo doesn't need outside permission to add characters that they own. But SEGA might have wanted more money than Nintendo wanted to pay to add more characters. There's just too much we don't know to be able to make a judgment like that
Exactly! It's all baseless conjecture otherwise.
You're right.
Now who's willing to become a spy for us to learn more about it?
I would love to know the scoop.
Shadow, Metal Sonic and Silver would have all made for some pretty sick additions to the game.
Shadow as a mixup character.
Metal Sonic as a space control character.
Silver as a grappler.
I agree with you, they should add more sonic characters, you have my respect.
Theres a perfect explanation.. Sonic isnt a Nintendo character/franchise so any characters would have to be agreed on by both companies.. They probably couldnt come to an agreement for anyone other than Sonic to make room for newcomers
Broooooo sonic needs more characters we only got those fake costumes for tails and knuckles we even can get the real cuphead in the game but NOOOOOOOOO its actually mii gunner i mean cuphead already is on the switch so we can easily get cuphead to smash i would love Blaze tails knuckles silver and shadow at least having in the game or maybe espio too maybe as fighter or trophy i mean we do not need female Marth Marth with red eyes and white and ginger Marth
@@lordenma4449 The reason Sephiroth is the exception to the rule of having two characters from a third party franchise is because both Cloud and Sephiroth come from FF Dissidia, which is an amazing fishing game. It makes it so easy to transfer both of them.
Sonic Battle isn't on the same level as Dissidia in terms of gameplay.
@@orangeslash1667Bro what, cloud and sephiroth come from ff7, they are in dissidia but thats not their original game
@@userr1901 Yes, but Dissidia is the reason Cloud and Sephiroth make sense to be in a fighting game.
@@orangeslash1667I mean maybe, but they're not directly from FFD, instead they are from FF7 lol
The Oh we need a chrom got me laughing 😂
Why did Sakurai add a bunch of Fire Emblem characters, pirahna plant, and Dr. Mario which should've been a skin. I appreciate the work he put in but done of the character decisions were plain stupid.
I think the reason why there are so many Fire Emblem characters is because Nintendo wants to put in as much RPG characters as possible. Why, because RPG's are a deal in Japan and Nintendo is a Japanese company. The problem is that RPGs use to have a hard time selling well in the West, especially strategy games.
@@orangeslash1667 Oh okay. Thanks for more clarification. I appreciate it.
@@STONKS_MemeMan Fire Emblem has been cited as an inspiration for later tactical role-playing games, such as Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together, Suikoden II, Final Fantasy Tactics, Sakura Wars and the Disgaea series as being influenced by its design.
The reason the Fire Emblem characters in Smash are not very flashy is because FE is a strategy series, meaning that it's about outsmarting your opponent.
Also Intelligent Systems the company that made Fire Emblem also created Paper Mario.
Lets be real, Piranha Plant was added for the memes
I love the slurmp reference lol
Does Bruno Mars is gay?
And what makes it worse is that Knuckles is in the game, but he is just an assist trophy
Metal sonic would be a good character for his smash summoning other metals of past and present to all attack then going into super with mecha mark 2 and attacking them they could use the dark crystal sheild rockets and other attacks
Metal Sonic could be an easter egg. Like: when Sonic catches the Metal box, half of the times he turns into actual Metal Sonic.
@@HypercatZokay THAT would be cool-OOO! AND WITH METAL SONICS SPIRIT FIGHT! Make that 100% be actual metal sonic cause…I don’t need to say why right?
@@HypercatZbro that would make no sense they are two different characters why would sonic become him just because it’s a metal box and metal sonic has metal in the name
@@tales9342Bc Metal Sonic possesses the real one temporarily for the extent of the power up.
I personally just really want his theme from Forces in the game.
And also the character himself of course!
I do agree that there should be more sonic characters and other franchises, but theres a reason for the amount of fire emblem characters in the game. There doesnt have to be so many from the SAME game tho (chrom was especially dumb)
I think Chrom was the best reveal than anyone, I was very happy
I wish that tails, knuckles, silver, shadow and classic sonic would be in smash.
Also change sonic's moveset to be more canon
To the modern games
@@FunkyDrew69 Pretend that R.O.B is an Eggman robot. I mean if R.O.B doesn't have his own stage, he might as well represent Robots in general.
Well classic sonic could be a skin
@@kristilebym271 true
Wouldnt Classic sonic be a copy, and they all are in the game as spirits except classic sonic
Well your knuckles wish KINDA came true since he is just a mii
And a assist trophy
Shadow is also an assist trophy
@@HyperNevelsYeah I think Nintendo is misunderstanding what we meant by want them in smash..
@@TheGShad0w I think the reason why there are so many Fire Emblem characters is because wants to put in as much RPG characters as possible. Why, because RPG's are a deal in Japan and Nintendo is a Japanese company. The problem is that RPGs use to have a hard time selling well in the West, especially strategy games.
@@HyperNevels Remember there were plenty of popular characters like Dante and Monster Hunter. It's all about if the devs can transfer thme into a balanced moveset, if they can't they won't do it.
The Mii costumes is them saying, well we tried????
Its a sad reality that we have accept.
I want more fire emblem, cant survive on just 8 characters you know
I feel like Eggman should’ve made it just to round out the hero and villain dynamic Ultimate had
Round just like eggman fr
@@kristilebym271 when playing as Rob, pretend he’s an egg man robot. If Rob doesn’t have his own stage, he might as well represent robots in general.
Deserves more subs
Facts
I legit thought I was the only one that wanted more sonic characters because no one complained about it
"We dont need marth and ginger marth" *Proceeds to talk about dark sonic
Just imagine, Eggman suddenly bursts into scene with his theme playing and suddenly.
“Eggman makes an announcement!”
Calling Roy "Ginger Marth" is an insult since Roy is basically *_the whole reason_* the Fire Emblem series has had worldwide releases since Blazing Blade in the first place (also, I recommend playing the Fire Emblem series if you want to learn more about the characters - they're not all just Marth clones).
That aside, yeah, I do feel like more Sonic characters should be added as well, particularly Shadow - if you haven't played Super Smash Bros. Crusade yet, I recommend doing so because Shadow is a blast to play.
We do not care we need some more characters from sonic like bro 8 characters we can easily scratch Ken with jacket and cap
Or tony the tiger from smash ik its a Nintendo ip but bro 8 characters is to much we need more sonic characters
@@lordenma4449 The good news is that we have three Sega reps thanks to Bayonetta and Joker.
@lordenma4449
What?
Neither Terry Bogard or Incineroar are from Fire Emblem, which is what the 8 characters complaint is referring to.
Dr Eggman in the Egg Mobile using different attacks from his boss fights would be so good like his down air being a wrecking ball swing
He should also be able to have some kind of attack where he says “Get a load of THIS”
They had 3 entire games to just add anyone hell friggin big the cat would've worked 😭
Fire Emblem being a Nintendo IP has to be the only reason that it has that many characters in Smash, because there's no way you could made me believe that the Fire Emblem franchise is more iconic than SONIC THE HEDGEHOG. SONIC THE MOTHERFUCKING HEDGEHOG!
Fire Emblem is popular in Japan, Sonic is not.
Considering Fire Emblem was so popular, while Binding Blade, Roy's home game was in development, he was added into Smash Melee, yeah no, FE stomps Sonic locally in Japan, plus the licensing and logistics to even get Sonic into Brawl probably was a nightmare
pretty sure just cuz sakurai like fire emblem
@@nitroplasma788 I think Nintendo and Sakurai are really bias with characters from 2d games, think about. Characters like Mega man, K rool, and the Belemonts are some of the best represented characters. Sadly Olimar and Monster Hunter being deconfirmed prove that characters from 3d games are usually harder to design.
Since Pokemon and Fire Emblem started out in 2d, it's clear why Nintendo favors them.
@orangeslash1667 well ok you are saying they are favoring 2d games, so why is Sonic not getting 2d love
Why do we have 2 castlevania reps and only one sonic rep? And 3 starfox reps? AND 3 KID ICARUS REPS! THE FRANCHISE WITH 2 GAMES
Megaman with 40 games
Megaman and Pacman are also iconic characters, yet only have one rep each.
@@AdamHPerform06 yeah, megaman X would be cool.
Ikr, Sonic is literally more iconic than Castlevania, Starfox, Kid Icarus, and Megaman, the only one of these franchises mentioned in this comment section that comes close to Sonic is PAC-MAN, but even then, I’d say Sonic may be more iconic than PAC-MAN or equivalent to it. Shadow, Dr. Eggman, Tails and Knuckles should all be added to the next smash game they deserve it, and because of how iconic PAC-MAN is, we at least deserve to get something new from that franchise as well, but if we could only have two characters, I’d go with Shadow and Dr. Eggman.
@@Azureblue25 Popularity isn't the only reason for a character getting added.
tails and shadow should’ve been in the game a long time ago and honestly i wouldn’t even mind if amy rose or eggman make it into the game i just want more representation from the sonic franchise 😭
Shadows final smash should be pulling out a 44. Magnum
I hope Nintendo makes another Smash Bros game with more Sonic characters 😢
Smash players try not to blame Fire Emblem for all their problems (impossible)
I would get tails and knuckles in the game
I like how your idea against fire emblem clones is Shadow, someone who definitely would share a few moves w Sonic. 😂 I still agree though, some Sonic Reps like Tails, Shadow and Knuckles woulda been amazing
But that's easier said than done.
Literally any other sonic character. Heck I’d main motobug if he was added.
I’d say add 2 in the next Smash game: Shadow as an echo fighter for Sonic (with differences similar to Ryu and Ken) and Dr. Eggman as a unique fighter. And then add Tails as an assist trophy and give Sonic a Classic Sonic alternate costume as well as a moveset rework similar to the recent ultimate mods.
Everything you just mentioned is exactly what I think should happen as well, in addition the next thing would be if the next Smash game ends up being a port of Ultimate where we get 11 more characters in order for the roster to be complete with 100 characters because the game currently has 89 characters, for the base game it would have all 89 characters plus 5 new echo fighters and Shadow being one of them and the Shadow assist trophy gets removed and replaced with Tails, then we’d have Fighters Pass 3, and this is where we would get Dr. Eggman as one of the six final characters to be added to the game. Although the only downside to this would be that Sonic would still have the same moveset and we might not get new skins for base roster characters, but I feel like I can live with that, especially when I imagine what characters we could potentially lose if we get a different Smash Bros. game, and for me the prospect of possibly losing certain characters in the next game is even worse than Sonic’s current moveset. I just really don’t want certain characters to be cut from the game if the next Smash Bros. game ends up being something different, while yes there are characters that I could care less about, but some of them are pretty important to me, you could probably narrow it down somewhere between 40-50 characters in Smash Ultimate that I care the most about, and I’d say the chances for these particular 40-50 characters to come back to the next Smash Bros. game are pretty decent for various reasons, so I feel like I can still have hope for them, even if some of them are 3rd party characters, but over half of my 40-50 characters are Nintendo characters btw, I could show you my list of the characters I chose if you’d like to read it in a separate comment, hopefully if those certain characters don’t end up getting cut, and we potentially get reworked movesets for certain characters that are more in line with what’s canon for them in regards to the game series that they come from, and if we get a new Subspace Emissary inspired story which is also similar in terms of gameplay to Brawl’s Subspace Emissary, and included with lots of cool cutscenes with Smash Ultimate character reveal trailer level graphics to move the story forward, then I wouldn’t mind if that ended up being the next game, and if Sonic returned in the game and got a reworked moveset and if we got Shadow & Dr. Eggman as bonus characters then it would only make it even better.
@@Azureblue25 I’m 100% with you, and no smash game would likely ever manage to top this one. As much as I’d want a few certain characters removed, an upgraded port is the best option moving forward. But if we get a port I think that they should put their focus mainly towards changing up all of the really old fighters’ (64-Brawl) movesets a bit to freshen them up a bit. And then add new fighters, stages, modes, upgrade the graphics, FIX THE CRAPPY ONLINE etc. Not super sure about subspace though since Sakurai said something about that it most likely won’t happen again, but one can hope. (Also thank you for spending time on writing that comment, I had a lot of fun reading it!)
@@Azureblue25 Also I made an own roster for the potential game a while ago, I’ll let you judge it (Feel free to criticize it as much as you’d like lol): *BASE GAME* - *WALUIGI* (High fan demand), *SKULL KID* (Popular villain, poorly represented franchise), *BANDANA DEE* (Fan demand), *TINKATON* (One of the most popular pokemon from the newest generation / won a poll in Japan), *NOAH & MIO* (I think Xenoblade might become the new fire emblem of smash), *DR. EGGMAN* (Very popular villain), *CHUN LI* (Very iconic female character), *SHANTAE* (Fan demand, female rep), *RYU HAYABUSA* (Every smash has at least one retro character in the main game, and this one is a very popular one and work both classic and modern), *MONSTER HUNTER* [Rise] (A character that should’ve been in the last one), *RAYMAN* (Popular pick to end the roster before the DLC.
*ECHO FIGHTERS:* DIXIE KONG, SHADOW, OCTOLING & JIN KAZAMA
*DLC* : *CRASH BANDICOOT* (Video game mascot, starts the DLC with a blast), *DANTE* (Very requested and deserving character of a slot), *FORTNITE JONESY* (Could be like a Steve reveal except from Wish, I’m sorry), *GENO* (The most requested character that isn’t already in the game and now he’s back in the spotlight through the remake) *RAIDEN* (Metal Gear Rising blew up several years later out of nowhere, and he’s a really cool character), *CHOSEN UNDEAD* (My most wanted character, a rep for Dark Souls on top of that), and finally; *MASTER CHIEF / DOOMSLAYER* (I really can’t pick one of them, but either one would end the game with a bang)
Man spitting facts
Shadow would be cool, but honestly, Knuckles is meant for Smash. It feels like his kit was built for platform fighting from day one he should totally be in there. Easily could rival Ganon in killing power depending on how they would handle him.
Shadow or Knuckles not being included is ridiculous.
i love the gamegrumps reference
but also i hard agree
let's not forget Pac-Man only has 1 *playable* character.
Megaman:
Like, Megaman has 7 sagas each with a different protagonist, it would be great if they put X so people could finally realize that he and the classic Megaman are different people, Also because each protagonist has a different ability:
X is rock type (Classic Megaman), but he has a lot of armors( like Falcon armor who lets him fly and Gaia armor who is slower but boosts defense and can do a lot of damage)and can charge his weapons to do more damage/hit a larger area and move around
Zero: he was already a character from the x saga, he has several weapons to use in melee (Z-Saber, Chain Rod, shield boomerang, recoil Rod, and Zero Knuckle) Like X, he uses the boss weapon,But like fighting game moves (Ex: If you press up arrow and attack with the saber equipped he uses a kind of shoryuken with his sword. Not only that, if zero is equiped with the fire element ryuegin will go higher and do fire damage) Zero can also charge his weapons, dealing damage based on the equipped element (which he also steals from bosses)
Vent/Aile: They use the biometals, wich are What's left of the previous protagonists and antagonists, being that they are like x's armor only with a specific element plus zero moveset
Gray/Ashe:Just like Axl in the X saga, they become the bosses themselves, with their own movesets and different sizes.
Hub/Megaman.exe: it has several transformations and "cards" it can use to deal damage, effect and affect terrain)
Geo Stellar/Shooting Star Megaman:He's basically Hub with more transformations he can fusion (Just like he did) and more cards too. The cool thing is that he and Exe have counter as a game mechanic
@@MegafanX123 The problem is that Mega man is not super popular nowadays compared to the 90's. Why Capcom is forcing Mega man to break while Capcom makes more Resident Evil, Street Fighter, and Monster Hunter.
Megaman kinda seserves it he does have his own series
Yeah but no one under the age of 50 gives a crap about Pac-Man.
There was SO MUCH potential bro, Shadow as an echo fighter, Tails, Knuckles, and/or Eggman. And Sonic is one of those franchises that legitimately feels weird that theres only one rep, not even having Eggman as a villain counterpart to represent the series
Metal Gear, and Mega Man only have one rep.
Seriously though, we need more Sonic characters in this game, instead of just MII costume dlc's and assist trophies
Knuckles should be in the game, his moves are made for it.
He is as an Assist Trophy just port his assist trophy version to the game.
@@EnaRBLXno,the assist trophy version is still garbage,is still being a sonic skin because it has the freaking homming attack
@@Chulosxd09the homing attack has been a knuckles move in heroes thats around the only refference to sonics moveset, everything else (as far as im aware) is something that only knuckles can so
Either way by that logic (and assuming im right about knuckles moveset) that would mean chrom is a skin of ike for having practically the same up-B (and yes i know they have differences but the resemblance is super clear)
@@classictailsgaming3832 but homming attack looks terrible for knuckles and knuckles is very different than sonic,not a fucking echo fighter like shadow,knuckles would have his own moveset like project + did,not the stupid homming attack
Also,homming attack for knuckles and other characters that are from the speed formation is not a canon ability so it does not make any sense
@@Chulosxd09 fun fact, when Nintendo asked Sega for sonic and smash, Sega said no at first. Then they change their mind at the last minute.
That doesn’t give Nintendo any motivation to add another.
Wouldn't chaos control just be like a slightly better witch time (Bayonetta Down-B)?
Sonic reps in smash could be Sonic, Tails, Eggman, and Shadow as an echo. I think that would satisfy most fans
I totally agree with this, although the only problem I would see with it, is why Knuckles isn’t in the game, I imagine that would annoy some people, so the best case scenario would be to add Dr. Eggman, Shadow, Tails and Knuckles, because those are the 4 most requested Sonic characters by far.
@@Azureblue25 Yeah but you can’t have everyone. If the next smash game adds 4 Sonic characters, people will be confused as to why it’s getting so much attention. It’s not a Sonic fighting game, he doesn’t need his whole cast in the game
@@maniacscornerYeah, I could see that happening as well, that’s why I honestly wouldn’t mind if it was just Shadow as an echo fighter and Dr. Eggman as his own character if we could only have 2 characters.
@@Azureblue25 Because Sonic is owned by Sega, meaning Nintendo has to ask permission to use those characters. Not the case with Nintendo owned characters.
I approve of the Game Grumps reference in calling Link "Slurmp"
Theres a lot of characters can be fit on smash ultimate but knuckles shadow and metal sonic who fits much we don t need all of them but just give us Shadow
I think we need tails, knuckles, amy, and shadow. Tails could have alot of tech related moves, somewhat like R.O.B with missiles and guns. He could also do some moves sonic has, and a throwback move they could add is tails' tail whip from the sonic advance series. Knuckles could be seen as a complete brawling character. Very physical and could somewhat play like a street fighter character. His glide could make for great combos, and once again, he would have some of sonics moves. Amy could be a unique addition for the smash bros community. Her disability for curling into a ball for the advance series could work as a hard to learn gymic, but all her hammer attacks could make up for it. I could imagine Amy's movement being based off advance 1, but they could do alot with her nonetheless. (All 3 of these characters would have a skin of their classic form, and sonic could get one too. Shadow is a unique condition. He could play as a mix of tails and sonic, being faster than tails, but slower than sonic. As you said in the video, he could use his chaos control, guns, and melee attacks.
👇 if you agree
@@AnAnonymousGirl777 lol yeah
bro you REALLY thought about this didn't you?
@@user-bi2qt9qr9j 100 °/. Why wouldn't i?
@@AnAnonymousGirl777 Sakurai choses characters that are easy to design, not characters that are JUST popular.
Sakurai said that he needed Sonic the Fighters when giving Sonic combat moves.
@@orangeslash1667but he also could've just picked sonic battle, a game that gave everyone a better moveset than sonic the fighters, Sonic's moveset is just spin dash 80% of it is spin dash not to mention the animations are bland, really bland it doesn't even feel like I'm playing sonic at that point
There is mario and green mario. There is Link link and link. Marth, girl marth, ike, ike 2, ike 3 and corin. Oh wait bileth too. But for sonic we just have sonic ?...
This is exactly why i play rivals of aether, i can have all sonic characters and who ever else i want instead of another anime sword fighter
And than Pyra being Female Ginger Marth
He really said we do not need Marth and Ginger Marth but then suggests Sonic and Black Sonic.
Shadow would possibly be an echo fighter for Sonic if he hypothetically got added in. Characters such as Tails or Knuckles could have a more promising moveset.
Tails would be a good defensive character, but oh my god imagine amy with her hammer, she would partly deal a lot of knockback, but she would kinda struggle dealing damage
That’s EXACTLY what I’ve been saying, I was literally mentioning how fire emblem had several characters but sonic didn’t even have 2
Megaman:
Like, Megaman has 7 sagas each with a different protagonist, it would be great if they put X so people could finally realize that he and the classic Megaman are different people, Also because each protagonist has a different ability:
X is rock type (Classic Megaman), but he has a lot of armors( like Falcon armor who lets him fly and Gaia armor who is slower but boosts defense and can do a lot of damage)and can charge his weapons to do more damage/hit a larger area and move around
Zero: he was already a character from the x saga, he has several weapons to use in melee (Z-Saber, Chain Rod, shield boomerang, recoil Rod, and Zero Knuckle) Like X, he uses the boss weapon,But like fighting game moves (Ex: If you press up arrow and attack with the saber equipped he uses a kind of shoryuken with his sword. Not only that, if zero is equiped with the fire element ryuegin will go higher and do fire damage) Zero can also charge his weapons, dealing damage based on the equipped element (which he also steals from bosses)
Vent/Aile: They use the biometals, wich are What's left of the previous protagonists and antagonists, being that they are like x's armor only with a specific element plus zero moveset
Gray/Ashe:Just like Axl in the X saga, they become the bosses themselves, with their own movesets and different sizes.
Hub/Megaman.exe: it has several transformations and "cards" it can use to deal damage, effect and affect terrain)
Geo Stellar/Shooting Star Megaman:He's basically Hub with more transformations he can fusion (Just like he did) and more cards too. The cool thing is that he and Exe have counter as a game mechanic
@@MegafanX123 Nintendo needs to be very careful when asking for third-party characters. With Nintendo characters, they can do whatever they want.
So True, And if no tails. He could be in one of sonic's victory animations. LiKE WHY CAnt i JUSt HAVE MORE SONIC THE HEDGEHOG PEOPLE< WHY NINTENDO< WHY DID YOU GIVE SORA THE LAST INVITATION TO HIM?????????
this makes me wanna go to nintendo but if they say no, its....... over
Nintendo usually only adds switch title characters which mean FLIPPING GLAMROCK FREDDY could be in the next smash so sonic characters that are from the switch can come which is like all of thwm
They should really add eggman in the walking eggmobile thingy from SA2
Honestly I think Tails, Knuckles or Eggman deserve to get into Smash more than Shadow. I mean they’ve been there since practically the beginning.
We honestly do need another Sonic character, they could add both Tails and Knuckles, and they could add Eggman cause he's the villain, and they could add Metal Sonic as an echo fighter
Eggman could be as an assist trophy
SHADOW FOR SMASH
Shadow for Echo fighter, Rouge the Bat for Smash!
@@coolguy5133 Pretend that R.O.B is an Eggman robot. I mean if R.O.B doesn't have his own stage, he might as well represent Robots in general.
Why rouge lmao
Shadow being Sonic with witch time would've been absolutely busted. 💀
You forgot one. He is fit.
Knack the weasel
Quit blaming fire emblem, you have to remember us western countries aren't the main focus, this game is made in japan where fire emblem is insanely popular, "why do we have 8 fire emblem", simple the same reason as pokemon and mario have so many fighters, its popular
Burn Fire Emblem to the ground. I will not be taking any different opinions on the matter at the moment (or any moment).
Nintendo needs to be very careful when asking for third-party characters. With Nintendo characters, they can do whatever they want.
Pokémon also has a lot of characters in smash but the reason why everyone overlooks them is because they are all unique with the exception of pichu. Meanwhile fire emblem characters can all be described by anime swordfighter and it really doesn't help that 4 characters are basically the same thing and can be described as Marth, Girl Marth, Marth but with fire, and Marth but sucks at recovery.
And the crazy part is that each fire emblem character had the same basic ass sword user moveset
Because Sakurai cares way more about who he wants in the game than who the fans want
It's 8 out of nearly 90 characters. Get over yourself
Explain Ridley, K Rool, Banjo and Sora then. Also Dragon Quest, as many Japanese people adore that series.
It’s not exactly like that.
Yes, when adding general stuff in the game there is a clear focus on stuff Sakurai’s more familiar with (You can easily see this with other Series not just Sonic). However I don’t think he straight up just doesn’t care about what Fans want, it’s more just fan stuff is treated like cracked picks, being only done mostly in special occasions like with most of the DLC.
@@AdamHPerform06The newest excuse in town is that none of those characters are fairly S-tier while video game characters that lean to Sakurai's taste get to be top tier.
@@TheRealZXXZ I think the reason why there are so many Fire Emblem characters is because Nintendo wants to put in as much RPG characters as possible. Why, because RPG's are a deal in Japan and Nintendo is a Japanese company. The problem is that RPGs use to have a hard time selling well in the West, especially strategy games.
If there is a smash 6, I’d like to see either Knuckles or Eggman
I love the game grumps reference “mmm slurmp”
The worst part of FE having that many characters is that there's like only 3 different playstyles between them
Next smash game will be “everyone is here” but it’s actually just all of the fire emblem characters in every fire emblem game throughout the entire franchise and nobody else
Sonic himself needs fixes as well. His down b being a spin dash makes sense cause thats the exact same imput for a spindash in the 2D games. Down+Jump button. Makes sense to be his down b. Same goes for his homing attack being neutral B. But why not make his side b something like maybe the fire shield dash?
Fun Fact: Sonic did have the fire dash as a Smash 4 custom move but it was removed for Ultimate.
The good news is the two spindashes have subtle differences.
Honestly if a second sonic character was in smash it would probably actually be eggman as series with with 2 characters slots usually have the hero and villain
The fact that knuckles or shadow didn't get put in the game when sonics been in the game since brawl and they put someone like sephiroth in when cloud showed up literally last game is upsetting
Maybe in the next Smash game, but if they end up porting Smash Ultimate as a deluxe version with new characters/stages the only Sonic character that would fit is Tails since he’s the only iconic one behind Shadow and Knuckles, but they’re both assist trophies.
Maybe we could also get Metal Sonic as an echo fighter.
It could still be possible to remove assist trophies and turn them into playable characters even if it’s a port of the same game, so I wouldn’t completely rule out Shadow and Knuckles.
@@Azureblue25 Nintendo needs to be very careful when asking for third-party characters. With Nintendo characters, they can do whatever they want.
The sheer irony that Sonic is literally can obliterate the Fire Emblem characters.
I was so freaking upset and lost hope for Shadow and Knuckles the moment I started playing Smash Ultimate seeing they were just ASSIST TROPHIES, it drove me insane. Same with Waluigi he deserves better as well.
Nintendo: I LIKE ANiME 100 ANIME CHARACTERS sonic:DUDE PLEASE GIVE ME ONE Of MY FRIENDS Nintendo: no