No they can't. They need to refill the Space continuum warp machine in order to jump back into the 24th century. In order to do that, they need to sacrifice children to the borg queen so she can taste the fear in their blood before devouring them and processing them into the energy needed for the space continuum warp machine to work.
sure if they used a IKia of Prey like Kirk did. remember even the drunkest, blindest human, or guy that literary learned engineering like his his life depended on it in the next 5 mins is better then any Klingon one.
Alright, Lets all Review the Checklist: 1. Fix the future, either by bringing something back, or making sure a past event happens. 2. Rebuild Dilithiam Crystals from a radiation source. Preferably from a nuclear reactor, like a Super Carrier, named Enterprise. 3. Execute Borg Queen before she can make the alternate Timeline from First Contact happen. Marty McFly: "Hey, wait, I've seen this one!"
Don’t forget bringing back the whales! Wait I know, the Borg queen wants to assimilate the whales! “OOOOO RESIIIIIIISTAMCE IIIIIIISSSSS FuUuUUUUTIIIIILLLLE OOOOO...”
@@amlvification We need a crossover into Black Adam's universe. That way, PIcard could slap his butt and yell, "This is what it feels like to hit Rock Bottom!"
Do they get to go to a glass manufacturer that hasn't got the transparent aluminum glass formula to have their own? In Picard's time, the glass formula could have improved vs Scotty's formula.
@@LGranthamsHeir He would probably have immunity from any 20th century disease, it would more likely to infect the 20th century population with a 25th century pathogen!
So these guys have a laser gun shootout, then they're traveling faster than light in a ship that got hijacked by a cyborg space queen who lost all her subjects, and are attempting to travel through time, and yet your problem is the size of the Earth from the sun is not realistic? Seriously?
@@DaveJablonski have you? When have they ever gotten this kind of thing right? In generations they watched a sun explode in real time, in TNG they drifted almost 1AU inside a Dyson sphere in a matter of hours at most, the pilot episode placed them at a system about 3000 lightyears from earth (Farpoint) a journey that should take years, yet they make it with a partial crew on their first mission amd make multiple trips back to earth while intermittently exploring beyond that edge of known space. Let's see..... the motion picture AND Generations have the ship traversing the solar system at significantly faster than the speed of light while under impulse, multiple episodes have the ship traveling to multiple destinations in a single day when even extreme high warp places individual solarsystems hours apart at best, earth to our closest star is over a day away at warp 9 btw.
3:05 Rios: "More like a targeted crash!" Jurati: "In Los Angeles? We can't crash a spaceship into one of the most populated cities on this world!" Kelvin-verse Kirk: "Yes, you can!" (RIP tens of thousand unseen San Franscisco residents post "Into Darkness")😄😃
They are flying close enough to the sun that flares reach above the ship, and the curvature is still visible. In that shot the sun would be less than 100 km in diameter.
I think it’s fair to ask for semi-accurate science from Trek. The series that literally motivated folks to become astronauts and consider things like warp drive. Do you recall Stephen Hawking making an appearance on TNG? Trek used to be fairly smart, or at least attempt it more often than not. (Warp 10 salamanders aside)
I wish you would have included the part right before this where the queen hooked up and said, "Calculating temporal trajectory. Initiating tachyon splinter radiation bursts. Neutralizing threats." And then blows the hell out of those two ships. Such a cool moment.
yeah... and if it is 2022 with all the tensions and all. Someone would definitively spot something that is entering Earth's atmosphere an changing course, to ground radar it would look like an supersonic icbm, over LA. West coast would fire everything they got at it and when it crashes and is obvious it was not an icbm, everything would be full of blackhawk helicopters within 10 minutes.
Are they gonna save the whales again? Wait I know, the Borg queen wants to assimilate the whales! “OOOOO RESIIIIIIISTAMCE IIIIIIISSSSS FuUuUUUUTIIIIILLLLE OOOOO...”
So this one is nitpicky and not a real problem but I feel a need to point it out anyway: the TOS and TNG warp scales are different, with the TNG scale having warp factors that are much faster than their TOS equivalent. Things get wonky but the point is that Warp 9.9 in Voyage Home, the fastest the HMS Bounty was traveling, is the equivalent of Warp 7.87 in the TNG scale. They shouldn’t have needed to go all the way to Warp 9+ to travel through time. Again, nitpicking here and this isn’t a real problem, but it does bother me just a little bit.
I think it was meant as more of a callback to Sulu reading off the warp speeds as they closed on the sun with the ship threatening to come apart around them.
@@satchelraidincoming636 I don't think Warp 10 is necessary for time warp. Warp 9+ is necessary just to not get caught in the Sun's gravity well and end up fried chicken.
The whole devolution thing is just an odd episode side effect for funky sci-fi story. Warp 10 is the unreachable boundary of the warp-scale, infinite speed. As you increase above 9 you're increasing to insane speeds, but hitting 10 and you're essentially everywhere in the universe at once (infinite). Have a way to control it and you can be anywhere you want. It's essentially analogue to light speed in reality.
K, this is dumb. If time travel was that frickin' easy for the borg queen to accomplish in a ship not equipped in any way, shape, or form for time travel, the borg would have already done this repeatedly until the entire universe was borg.
There was a change in the past and she knew when, where, and what caused it. Just going back in time to any random point to make a change may not work in her favor. Plus it's a reference to when Spock did it. I've never seen first contact so I could be wrong, but the borg went back in time to do something like what you described in that movie. Plus, why would you assimilate a civilization that didn't even even survive long enough to exist in her time. Even if they were to go back in time and assimilate a species early. They be less advanced than they would be in the time she left.
Perhaps dumb plots are enough for most people. In first contact the Borg used a highly specified ship that created a temporal vortex so they could time travel.
You grossly overestimate the power of time travel. The time that the borg knows the best is the present, so why not take over the universe in the present? I get that it is too convenient of a plot device, but that doesn’t mean there can’t possibly be a reason.
They have already... With TNG crew's first movie... (Remember First Contact?) They just so happened to destroy the BORG sphere queen who figured out how before she could return with the knowledge to their time in the Delta Quadrant...
This is the real Roswell crash. Piccard is written into sci-fi to prepare the world for the announcement that we have a crashed space ship from the future with humans onboard. You read this here first.
It's not the amount of sparks that should concern you, it's the amount of magic smoke leaking out. Without magic smoke the electronics will cease to function.
In Redshirts, the Scalzi satire novel, futuristic TV shows always travel back in time to one of two temporal locations: 1. a period in which something historically significant happens that the crew can meddle in, or 2. the time period in which the show was actually filmed And here we are again. I wonder if we're going to get some preachiness about modern times.
If it's No. 2, then it's to keep production costs down, so settle down petal. I know your life has no meaning without Da Culture Warz, but we got a real one kickin' off now, so you can all get ready to burn some adrenaline and testosterone reeeeaaal soon.
0:19 "The past is now." Sunset Shimmer: "The past is not today. That's my line, you cybernetic blowhard!" Wait a minute, maybe the leader of the Equestria Girls is the Watcher the Borg Queen tells Picard to look for. Reversing her catchphrase before warping into the sun gives it away.
Again I find myself asking...they needed a Borg Queen to do what Kirk and his crew did with a Klingon Bird of Prey and a half Vulcan? If anything that was over a hundred years ago! And nobody! Nobody! found a better and safer way of doing this? Yes I imagine that such information and techniques were safely guarded but Picard due to his rank and position from the past never came across improved technology to make this a taaaad safer? Oh! Wait they did! in TNG they literally invented Metaphasic shielding to protect ships from the sun!
Ah yes, because a small crew stranded in a dystopia and hunted by essentially space Nazis would have all the time in the world, not to mention the resources, to find alternate solutions or install metaphasic shielding. It's not like their solution was in any way similar to the similarly-small crew of the Enterprise on a similarly-sized Bird of Prey having to make a similarly-quickfire decision in a similarly-desperate situation.
@@bbchocolate9347 exactly. they needed it then. right now. not in a little while. plus they had to clear their escape route by defeating multiple enemies who at the time had them far outgunned.
As I understand it, Picard's jump needed to be a bit more precise, while Kirk only needed to get to the past where whales still existed, which gave him a bigger window of opportunity and needed less precision.
@@namonamo494 It is actually a lot compared to reentry temperatures... they also didn't impact at a 90°, the hull is incredibly strong, and inertial dampeners were still operational.
Not sure why the captain dude is telling them all what warp speed their at when it should be Picard saying it since.... you know... he's the one at the controls and stuff.
Christ - sorry to be a downer, but I hate the constant 'Crisis-mode' that new trek flips through. Every few minutes there's some crisis where we're supposed to believe a named character might die - then there's a small break, then something else goes wrong. Shock value has its place - and its place isn't every 5 minutes. Rant over XD
It is just bad writing, the entire show is directed and written by people who really do not understand Star Trek at all. And nor would they care even if someone could make them understand their shortcomings.
@@norricdaoc8746 Oh please your complain no matter who wrote it. You guys are like a bunch little kids who didn’t get the toy they wanted. If you don’t like the show. Why do keep watching the show. Normal people don’t watch things they don’t like:
@@kenyettadoyle1200 the point is, Trek never used to be like this. It had stories that were likeable because of the quality of their content, they appealed to a specific type of person. Now they appeal to the people easily entertained by explosions and oblivious to any kind of subtlety.
I hear ya, it’s so frustrating. We get First Contact music with the Queen herself but can’t have a similar time vortex to get to Earth. Because if we did, you’d just come through it and be fine and there would be no unnecessary tension or conflict! These guys get so close to understanding Trek but then take stupid shortcuts to create needless tension. They just want the audience to ride the emotion and not think, which is sad for Trek and its history. Remember when DS9 went to 21st century earth with the Defiant and the ship wasn’t in constant danger? That was nice.
Gosh, she is my favorite part. Like seriously, this she is awesome. I like this direction even with some of the really stupid pathing the directors have chosen.
The slingshot effect. I've seen this in Star Trek 4 - The Voyage Home! Go towards the sun at high warp speed and break the temporal barrier and travel into the past. Since this was from 2500 - there's little chance of a collision with HMS Bounty, Since that was 2286 to 1986 and back ! No chance of that! Different time period and temporal destination. Picard's destination was 2024! Last year in fact! Hmmm and I think that the Borg Queen did excise that possibility. A collision in time, would have screwed up everything.
That specific episode bugged me a lot. They had a means to get back to Earth instantly. The only problem was the "turn into salamanders" thing. But the Doctor solved that. He figured out how to reverse it for two different people so it wasn't a random fluke that he was able to save them. He had a cure. All they had to do was jump and then fix the stuff later. They even would have had enough time to jump to Earth and send a message with the cure information just in case the Doctor was overwhelmed and couldn't fix everyone in time. The only issue is that they didn't have any non-humans exposed to the effect to know if they would have had a different reaction.
Im going to say that the borg that destroyed the Stargazer is somehow the Q-tinuim asking for help from what I dont know, but it explains this: Q not being himself and Q's intrigue with humans etc? Hopefully there someone who can connect these dots better if they are there???
How about this: the Confederation is conquering. Eventually they will target the Q. That's why Q is unwell. He may have started this as a test/prank but it's got out of his control.
There’s that episode in DS9 where they are forced to warp in a system to stop an explosive. I think it’s highly dangerous due to the obstacles, but warping from just out of orbit is alright due to distance? Isk.
Does the Queen have to account for where the Bounty is in their backward and forward slingshots in ST-IV? Or is the Bounty in another layer of subspace or something? 🤔
Do they not provide any lines of pseudoscientific gobbledegook to explain how they are slowly travelling across the surface of a star at faster-than-light speeds? Like, "this close to the gravitational field even though we're at warp the relative distances are stretched" or something like that?
"We did a slingshot around the sun, like Kirk did who knows how many times." They even specifically mention Kirk when considering the maneuver. :) You do get some scientific babble out of the Borg Queen! This scene isn't complete in that regard.
It's old canon..the gobbletygook was already provided decades ago. they literally spelled it out last episode...the "slingshot maneuver" is crude, but effective time travel....a way to break the warp 10 barrier and cross time AND space. Crude, because without a freaking genius (original crew had Spock, also lampshaded last episode) it's nigh-impossible to do accurately....nevermind the stress to the ship involved. it's one part luck, one part skill, and one part pure plot armor. (given that at least one semi-omnipotent race is involved in this storyline *Q* that plot armor may be more literal than normal)
@@alexsolomon7991 - It’s not that at all. What let the Enterprise time travel was a controlled implosion to restart the engines while trapped in a gravity well. In future applications, they used a star’s gravity. The idea is that when going fast enough while slingshotting around a strong gravity well, if you initiate a controlled implosion in the warp engines, it triggers the time travel issue. It was explained in a tech manual as inverting the warp field, so the ship was doing FTL in real space (not subspace) which enabled going backward or forward in time depending on the calculations used.
IT is a reference to star trek first contact when the borg queen travels back in time to the 21st century to turn EARTH into borg and picard and crew kill her. Guess all these people on this ship have memory issues
@@greengreeneya2102 I'm really surprised actually that people dont try to mess stuff up in the past more often given that all you need to go back in time is apparently Spock and a star. Could probably replace Spock with a sophisticated computer and do the job just fine.
They were doing Warp 9.5 around the sun, then out of context ended up trapped in Earth's gravity? I get the sense of danger, tension and even why they wrote out the Jedi elf but what the heck happened in the 1 AU between Earth and the Sun there?
They were likely still going relativistic and decelerating. Time dilation would make the 8 light minute voyage seem a lot shorter, plus the rule of storytelling means leaving out the irrelevant moments of time.
Vaguely remember Janeway ordering Paris to jump Voyager to warp while in the gravity well of a planet, he mentioned they'd be stains on the back wall XD
@@duncancrickett9212 so what? Star trek has never been consistent with how warp works. TOS had the Enterprise warping in reverse, and they never cared about where the ship was.
The ship was damaged by time travel. It seems they suffered some kind of abrupt system failure. You can see them mostly sitting still near the Earth at 2:17 just before it happens.
Maybe all the time travel explains why our world is so cooky now. Kirk in Star Trek 4, Picard in that Western Episode, First Contact, Sisko and crew, now this. Oh! Voyager crew also in L.A. Did Archer make it here too?
@@sleazybtd Yes but the big problem is, people are gonna have noticed the fireball as well as every radar with in range picking up the ship. It'd be seized within hours.
@@Seresh-j8m That would be the problem no matter where they decide to crash. It's not like "hey, let's crash in France. No one will ever notice". And by changing the crash location, didn't they extend the fireball and fly it over even more populated areas to get it from LA to France?
@@arcahmwinters70 it's a little to literal for them to travel to our current year to do social commentary Surely your aware most social commentary they've done in the past involved visiting other cultures to portray bad practices since the federation was supposed to be the ideal vision of the future Coming to current year to film in the studio parking lot and Los Angeles is a little to on the nose
By this point in the franchise, it has been seriously overused. Star Trek IV got away with it because the whole film was made deliberately unserious. Star Trek: First Contact was set in such a sparsely populated area of the world that the fish-out-of-water trope didn't really get played - if anything, it's inverted, with the people in the destination outnumbered by the Starfleet characters, who are in a position to reveal themselves explicitly. I seriously hope this is the last time they use it to visit Earth in the characters' past, in this or any other timeline.
Nothing is new anymore, it's just a new theme to an old idea. Transmissions that are in our cars are not new they're just rebuilt. Cars that get crushed are later sent to a blast furnace where it all gets sorted and melted. Even the cell phones that we carry....
@@ntal5859 #1) Yes, inertial dampeners do exist in ST, 2) 'Dampen' eans to reduce, NOT eliminate, so crashes cause severe movement, look at ST Generations, people flying all over the place when saucer hits ground. 3) last TNG movie showed Picard getting a new chair with shoulder restraints.
Read the book " How to Time Travel by Adm. James T . Kirk " Chapter One (1) . " Don't Do It " . Me ....... Too Much Math and I Don't have Pointy Ears .🖖
No one hates this show just the unspeakable season 1 of this weird show called picard. Now this show called picard season 2 though, now this is a show!
@@richardkralick3062 Actually the Doctor has been to other places on Earth during his jaunts through time; off the top of my head he's been to the US, France, Egypt, the arctic, and Germany.
"Welcome to the Earth of the 21st century!" * Picard grimaces and thinks "Not this shit again"*
Haha I was thinking the same thing. Picard could literally go... ohh I remember this!! And worf was here and Geordi was in Montana hahaah
Cue Steppanwolf's, "Magic Carpet Ride." hahaha
@@ns0557212 And Data was there too with his cowboy suit 😃😄
wasnt he in 19 century not 21? In 21 there was Sisko, Janeway and even Archer but not him
@@hallowed000 I assume they're referring to First Contact
They really missed a trick by not having them pass Kirk's bird of prey coming the other way 🤣
Plot twist. Coming out of warp they hit a klingon bird of pray...
Lol
...bread n' butter!
...bread n' butter!
But did the whales survive ???
no probably a train of starlink satelites in Earth's orbit.. XD
The transition from "wow we're in the past" to "shit were crashing" is too brutal.
Well this series isn't exactly known for pulling its punches.
Good thing they didn’t reach warp 10 or they would’ve turned into salamanders.
Hahaha!
Voyager reference
😂 I remember that episode
As long as they don’t go to plaid
(Now I’m running away and giggling a lot)
I saw your comment in the beginning of the year and I'm glad to say I finally understand the reference 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The actress of the Borg queen passed away from cancer. Rest in peace.
Wait a minute, the time warp drained their power, is that mean their going to look for Nuclear wessels?
Not in Alameda this go-around ;)
No they can't. They need to refill the Space continuum warp machine in order to jump back into the 24th century. In order to do that, they need to sacrifice children to the borg queen so she can taste the fear in their blood before devouring them and processing them into the energy needed for the space continuum warp machine to work.
@@provisionalhypothesis yeah clearly drunk when he came up with that philosophy
sure if they used a IKia of Prey like Kirk did. remember even the drunkest, blindest human, or guy that literary learned engineering like his his life depended on it in the next 5 mins is better then any Klingon one.
Admiral, there be whales here
Two things I hear in this scene. "9.1! 9.2! 9.3!" And "my gosh Jim where are we?? "Blind as a bat and out of control"
THERE BE WHALES HERE!
Get him back! GET HIM BACK!!!
@@jonmyers8046 amazing that ship could blast off with two ginormous whales
@@fakereality96 sarek"THERE!"
@@hybrid5568 "They're heading for the bridge!"
Alright, Lets all Review the Checklist:
1. Fix the future, either by bringing something back, or making sure a past event happens.
2. Rebuild Dilithiam Crystals from a radiation source. Preferably from a nuclear reactor, like a Super Carrier, named Enterprise.
3. Execute Borg Queen before she can make the alternate Timeline from First Contact happen.
Marty McFly: "Hey, wait, I've seen this one!"
Don’t forget bringing back the whales! Wait I know, the Borg queen wants to assimilate the whales! “OOOOO RESIIIIIIISTAMCE IIIIIIISSSSS FuUuUUUUTIIIIILLLLE OOOOO...”
@@spinlok3943 if only this was Disney+ would make for a perfect Dory crossover
Everyone remember where we parked.
@@amlvification We need a crossover into Black Adam's universe. That way, PIcard could slap his butt and yell, "This is what it feels like to hit Rock Bottom!"
Do they get to go to a glass manufacturer that hasn't got the transparent aluminum glass formula to have their own?
In Picard's time, the glass formula could have improved vs Scotty's formula.
"Go backward to go forward!" The Borg Queen has seen Ready Player One?? o.O
Picard walked on a hundred worlds wearing only Starfleet pajamas, only to meet his end by forgetting to wear his mask during an Earth pandemic...
Don't forget Picard is inside a brand new body that I'm sure is more resistant against any viruses or germs 🤔😊
@@LGranthamsHeir He would probably have immunity from any 20th century disease, it would more likely to infect the 20th century population with a 25th century pathogen!
@VHTesla Aw shit....he forgot his PT belt he's screwed...
this comment made me so furious that i wanted to smash everything in sight, but then i ate a candy bar and everything is ok.
This aged well….
Borg Queen: "Up is down, black is white, dogs are cats, and Christmas is in July!"
Rios: "Why the hell did you plug this crazy cyborg into my ship again???!!"
Jurati "It was Seven's idea!"
Seven: "Oh thanks, Agnes!"
She sounds like a Wonderland version of the Queen.. "I'm going to send your future self into the past"
“The Borg Queen went on to prove that black is white and was promptly killed at the next Zebra crossing”
@@gargoyles9999 LOL. Off with her cybernetic head!
"Speed up to slow down. Walk before you crawl."
They could have made the size of earth from the sun more realistic.
that would have totally made time traveling, phasers and borgs realistic
So these guys have a laser gun shootout, then they're traveling faster than light in a ship that got hijacked by a cyborg space queen who lost all her subjects, and are attempting to travel through time, and yet your problem is the size of the Earth from the sun is not realistic? Seriously?
@@sleazybtd Have you seen Star Trek?
@@DaveJablonski Of course I have. I especially loved the part where they blew up the Death Star.
@@DaveJablonski have you? When have they ever gotten this kind of thing right? In generations they watched a sun explode in real time, in TNG they drifted almost 1AU inside a Dyson sphere in a matter of hours at most, the pilot episode placed them at a system about 3000 lightyears from earth (Farpoint) a journey that should take years, yet they make it with a partial crew on their first mission amd make multiple trips back to earth while intermittently exploring beyond that edge of known space. Let's see..... the motion picture AND Generations have the ship traversing the solar system at significantly faster than the speed of light while under impulse, multiple episodes have the ship traveling to multiple destinations in a single day when even extreme high warp places individual solarsystems hours apart at best, earth to our closest star is over a day away at warp 9 btw.
All those cool Starfleet ships in the first episode to end up back on the USS Loft apartment.
I want the Stargazer back, dammit! Give us a proper Starfleet ship instead of the Discount Normandy!
That's a great name for it. I love it.
Shhh… the La Sirena is a beautiful lady. Shame you’re too much of a child to recognise that.
@@NeptuneCheeseCake go and watch some Discovery. I bet you have never even watched the majesty that is TNG.
@@solidoperative son, I’ve watched more episodes of Star Trek than you’ve had pimples. The La Sirena is beautiful.
Ya know, if they'd said "warp 10" it would have solved so many issues with that one Voyager episode.
Good luck exploring Earth as lizards, ya nerds!
You must admit that warp jump was pretty cool
It’s pretty awesome.
@@alfredvalrie5541 just like when they went back to Time to save the whale's
Wow for only 37% navigation control they sure nailed that landing.
Did you not listen to Cristobal? It was a targeted crash! 🤣
Hell, you should see 36%
3:05 Rios: "More like a targeted crash!"
Jurati: "In Los Angeles? We can't crash a spaceship into one of the most populated cities on this world!"
Kelvin-verse Kirk: "Yes, you can!" (RIP tens of thousand unseen San Franscisco residents post "Into Darkness")😄😃
Picard: "Young man, I've met James T. Kirk. You are not him."
@@kevlonk It's Kelvin-verse Kirk, so for some die-hard TOS fans, he never existed in the first place
Oh look a dialog repeater ! I bet you’re a blast at movie theaters … spurting out dialog and telling friends what’s happening on the screen .
Kirk never crashed a ship into San Francisco.... did you even watch the movie?
That was Cumberkhan.
My God Jim where are we? Blind as a bat and out of control.... Admiral, there be whales here!
Well done, Mr. Scott.
I wish Rios said "ummmm this isn't good guys, the borg queen is monologuing!!!"
ROFLMAO 🤣😭
They are flying close enough to the sun that flares reach above the ship, and the curvature is still visible. In that shot the sun would be less than 100 km in diameter.
oh no.. this is not reality?
Those flares can be huge.
@@sleazybtd exactly. 100,000km or more
Kurtzman and Co. have no clue.
I think it’s fair to ask for semi-accurate science from Trek. The series that literally motivated folks to become astronauts and consider things like warp drive. Do you recall Stephen Hawking making an appearance on TNG?
Trek used to be fairly smart, or at least attempt it more often than not. (Warp 10 salamanders aside)
"Did we reach 88 warp yet?" - Senile Picard (sorry mean Senior)
“When this baby reaches warp 88, you’re gonna see some serious shit.”
-Captain Emmett Brown
I wish you would have included the part right before this where the queen hooked up and said, "Calculating temporal trajectory. Initiating tachyon splinter radiation bursts. Neutralizing threats." And then blows the hell out of those two ships. Such a cool moment.
With one shot each! Loved it
They uploaded it on another vid
This episode, the time travel episode, was directed by Lea Thompson from Back to the Future.
Calling it now: the Borg Queen we saw on the Stargazer was Jurati.
For the record, you called it right.
Did they forget Earth has TONS of Satellites in orbit that could maybe see them.
Even Star Trek 4 mention that, is which why they cloaked the ship before they landed on Earth.
yeah... and if it is 2022 with all the tensions and all. Someone would definitively spot something that is entering Earth's atmosphere an changing course, to ground radar it would look like an supersonic icbm, over LA. West coast would fire everything they got at it and when it crashes and is obvious it was not an icbm, everything would be full of blackhawk helicopters within 10 minutes.
Are they gonna save the whales again? Wait I know, the Borg queen wants to assimilate the whales! “OOOOO RESIIIIIIISTAMCE IIIIIIISSSSS FuUuUUUUTIIIIILLLLE OOOOO...”
So this one is nitpicky and not a real problem but I feel a need to point it out anyway: the TOS and TNG warp scales are different, with the TNG scale having warp factors that are much faster than their TOS equivalent.
Things get wonky but the point is that Warp 9.9 in Voyage Home, the fastest the HMS Bounty was traveling, is the equivalent of Warp 7.87 in the TNG scale. They shouldn’t have needed to go all the way to Warp 9+ to travel through time.
Again, nitpicking here and this isn’t a real problem, but it does bother me just a little bit.
I think it was meant as more of a callback to Sulu reading off the warp speeds as they closed on the sun with the ship threatening to come apart around them.
In Voyager, Warp 10 caused some weird scenario where Janeway and Paris devolved to an ancestor species. Did that simply get retconned?
@@satchelraidincoming636 I don't think Warp 10 is necessary for time warp. Warp 9+ is necessary just to not get caught in the Sun's gravity well and end up fried chicken.
@@satchelraidincoming636 I dearly hope so because that episode was horrendous
The whole devolution thing is just an odd episode side effect for funky sci-fi story. Warp 10 is the unreachable boundary of the warp-scale, infinite speed. As you increase above 9 you're increasing to insane speeds, but hitting 10 and you're essentially everywhere in the universe at once (infinite). Have a way to control it and you can be anywhere you want. It's essentially analogue to light speed in reality.
They pulled the Kirk maneuver LOL
i think Lea Thompson directed this episode...so i couldnt help but hear the music from Back to the Future when they time traveled in my head
K, this is dumb. If time travel was that frickin' easy for the borg queen to accomplish in a ship not equipped in any way, shape, or form for time travel, the borg would have already done this repeatedly until the entire universe was borg.
There was a change in the past and she knew when, where, and what caused it. Just going back in time to any random point to make a change may not work in her favor. Plus it's a reference to when Spock did it.
I've never seen first contact so I could be wrong, but the borg went back in time to do something like what you described in that movie. Plus, why would you assimilate a civilization that didn't even even survive long enough to exist in her time. Even if they were to go back in time and assimilate a species early. They be less advanced than they would be in the time she left.
My working theory is that the borg are highly advanced pakleds.
Perhaps dumb plots are enough for most people.
In first contact the Borg used a highly specified ship that created a temporal vortex so they could time travel.
You grossly overestimate the power of time travel. The time that the borg knows the best is the present, so why not take over the universe in the present? I get that it is too convenient of a plot device, but that doesn’t mean there can’t possibly be a reason.
They have already... With TNG crew's first movie... (Remember First Contact?) They just so happened to destroy the BORG sphere queen who figured out how before she could return with the knowledge to their time in the Delta Quadrant...
This is the real Roswell crash. Piccard is written into sci-fi to prepare the world for the announcement that we have a crashed space ship from the future with humans onboard.
You read this here first.
bruh, u cracked?
Let’s do the time warp aaagggaaaiiinnn
I’m halfway interested in watching this season.
0:45 "Ta loco"🤣🤣😂
How accurate is that view of earth from the sun, just seemed to close,
How many sparks can leak out of the ship before it runs out?
Those conduits are crafted out of pure "explodium." As long as it's a Starfleet vessel, they'll never run out.
It has self regenerating sparkonium generators. No problem.
that's always the best part, endless sparks and fires breaking out on the command deck
Whoever is in the ceiling picked a bad time to weld up those new conduit brackets.
It's not the amount of sparks that should concern you, it's the amount of magic smoke leaking out. Without magic smoke the electronics will cease to function.
And this, my friends, is how aliens land on Earth...
Someone recalls the baseship hybrids from BSG - at least she didn't say "jump".
In Redshirts, the Scalzi satire novel, futuristic TV shows always travel back in time to one of two temporal locations:
1. a period in which something historically significant happens that the crew can meddle in, or
2. the time period in which the show was actually filmed
And here we are again. I wonder if we're going to get some preachiness about modern times.
If it's No. 2, then it's to keep production costs down, so settle down petal. I know your life has no meaning without Da Culture Warz, but we got a real one kickin' off now, so you can all get ready to burn some adrenaline and testosterone reeeeaaal soon.
@@RogueBoyScout yeah, I kept watching. Damn, it was preachy. Damn near Sisco as Gabriel Bell preachy.
@@ideologybot4592 So it's Star Trek?
I hope they made it 2024 to have Sisko show up as Gabriel Bell. That would be a great tie in.
Picard can't blame Tori for crashing the ship this time!
Troi
0:19
"The past is now."
Sunset Shimmer: "The past is not today. That's my line, you cybernetic blowhard!"
Wait a minute, maybe the leader of the Equestria Girls is the Watcher the Borg Queen tells Picard to look for.
Reversing her catchphrase before warping into the sun gives it away.
Again I find myself asking...they needed a Borg Queen to do what Kirk and his crew did with a Klingon Bird of Prey and a half Vulcan? If anything that was over a hundred years ago! And nobody! Nobody! found a better and safer way of doing this? Yes I imagine that such information and techniques were safely guarded but Picard due to his rank and position from the past never came across improved technology to make this a taaaad safer? Oh! Wait they did! in TNG they literally invented Metaphasic shielding to protect ships from the sun!
Ah yes, because a small crew stranded in a dystopia and hunted by essentially space Nazis would have all the time in the world, not to mention the resources, to find alternate solutions or install metaphasic shielding. It's not like their solution was in any way similar to the similarly-small crew of the Enterprise on a similarly-sized Bird of Prey having to make a similarly-quickfire decision in a similarly-desperate situation.
@@bbchocolate9347 valid point
@@bbchocolate9347 exactly. they needed it then. right now. not in a little while. plus they had to clear their escape route by defeating multiple enemies who at the time had them far outgunned.
Picard was old and it wasn't like they could call for Door Dash and get a quick supercomputer to speedrun on how to sling shot the sun.
As I understand it, Picard's jump needed to be a bit more precise, while Kirk only needed to get to the past where whales still existed, which gave him a bigger window of opportunity and needed less precision.
Time to spend the rest of the season in modern day Earth, oh what fun.
Saves a ton of money for the budget!
They don't have a cloak!
That's a strong ship to survive an uncontrolled reentry into earth's atmosphere
The thing just skimmed the sun. But reentry is supposed to be a problem?
@@seta-san2149 it doesn't help when you hit a hard object like a planet
@@seta-san2149 surface is the sun aint that hot (5k?) that's nothing in compare to a force landing on a planet + the atmosphere being ticvk and so on
@@namonamo494 It is actually a lot compared to reentry temperatures... they also didn't impact at a 90°, the hull is incredibly strong, and inertial dampeners were still operational.
@@namonamo494 LOL
Sad where this series has gone. Boldly gone.
Picard saves the day, again.
Not sure why the captain dude is telling them all what warp speed their at when it should be Picard saying it since.... you know... he's the one at the controls and stuff.
Christ - sorry to be a downer, but I hate the constant 'Crisis-mode' that new trek flips through. Every few minutes there's some crisis where we're supposed to believe a named character might die - then there's a small break, then something else goes wrong. Shock value has its place - and its place isn't every 5 minutes.
Rant over XD
It is just bad writing, the entire show is directed and written by people who really do not understand Star Trek at all. And nor would they care even if someone could make them understand their shortcomings.
@@norricdaoc8746 Oh please your complain no matter who wrote it. You guys are like a bunch little kids who didn’t get the toy they wanted. If you don’t like the show. Why do keep watching the show. Normal people don’t watch things they don’t like:
Then don’t watch.
@@kenyettadoyle1200 the point is, Trek never used to be like this. It had stories that were likeable because of the quality of their content, they appealed to a specific type of person. Now they appeal to the people easily entertained by explosions and oblivious to any kind of subtlety.
I hear ya, it’s so frustrating. We get First Contact music with the Queen herself but can’t have a similar time vortex to get to Earth. Because if we did, you’d just come through it and be fine and there would be no unnecessary tension or conflict!
These guys get so close to understanding Trek but then take stupid shortcuts to create needless tension. They just want the audience to ride the emotion and not think, which is sad for Trek and its history.
Remember when DS9 went to 21st century earth with the Defiant and the ship wasn’t in constant danger? That was nice.
Gosh, she is my favorite part. Like seriously, this she is awesome. I like this direction even with some of the really stupid pathing the directors have chosen.
Directors direct. It's the scriptwriters who come up with the story; I assume that's what you mean by "pathing?"
Nope, nobody will ever notice a multiple mile long trench goin right through a forest that just appeared overnight...
"Captain the ship can't take much more of this Captain shields weakening"!!!! "The past is now the future, the future is now the past?!
The slingshot effect. I've seen this in Star Trek 4 - The Voyage Home! Go towards the sun at high warp speed and break the temporal barrier and travel into the past. Since this was from 2500 - there's little chance of a collision with HMS Bounty, Since that was 2286 to 1986 and back ! No chance of that! Different time period and temporal destination. Picard's destination was 2024! Last year in fact! Hmmm and I think that the Borg Queen did excise that possibility. A collision in time, would have screwed up everything.
They have no idea how many virgins are waiting for them a gathering referred to as ... a "convention"
Borg to the Future
If I was going to crash my spaceship into LA I'd aim for Hollywood and come in guns blazing
Extra style points if you can fly it through the first "O" in the Hollywood sign without hitting it.
Hopefully right through Alex Klutzman's office!
Take Professor X aboard and you get a typical X-men landing.
I'm just glad they didnt do the "Contact" face going from old to young during the warp drive ....
Earth's a little close to the sun there...
I did not realize how much I missed Star Trek TV shows.
And after watching this I still do...
I still watch
TOS, TNG, DS9 but not this new woke Trek crap.
The scenes in this Episode of Star Trek: Picard reminds me of the movie, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home from the year, 1986!
0:52 - 1:02 Get ready to be transformed into salamanders once Warp 10 is reached, boys and girls!! 😃😄
That specific episode bugged me a lot. They had a means to get back to Earth instantly. The only problem was the "turn into salamanders" thing. But the Doctor solved that. He figured out how to reverse it for two different people so it wasn't a random fluke that he was able to save them. He had a cure. All they had to do was jump and then fix the stuff later. They even would have had enough time to jump to Earth and send a message with the cure information just in case the Doctor was overwhelmed and couldn't fix everyone in time. The only issue is that they didn't have any non-humans exposed to the effect to know if they would have had a different reaction.
I immediately thought of that too. Thankfully, we had a Borg Queen doing it.
@@poopsanchez6449 So ironic, isn't it 😄😆
@@LGranthamsHeir
Ironic how?
It's the Borg. They've achieved transwarp ages ago.
Im going to say that the borg that destroyed the Stargazer is somehow the Q-tinuim asking for help from what I dont know, but it explains this: Q not being himself and Q's intrigue with humans etc? Hopefully there someone who can connect these dots better if they are there???
Or this can all be like the episode Starlight!?!? Years, decades all condense into 25 minute experience?
How about this: the Confederation is conquering. Eventually they will target the Q. That's why Q is unwell. He may have started this as a test/prank but it's got out of his control.
easy the picard leads humanity against the borg, then attacks the Q
*would be interesting to know if the Borg ever encountered the Nexus and how that would have altered their existence across the space time continuum*
@@WayneMcDougall yes
When I saw this I was all "they didn't!". My little sister went. "THERE BE WHALES HERE!"
You better have given her a high five for that.
@@sleazybtd that and pizza
@@SgtSplatter782 You sir, are an awesome big brother.
Why do there always have to be sparks raining down in the bridge? Haven't the engineers found a way to correct that yet?
I thought you couldn't go to warp within a star system, far less that close to a celestial body without warping the body with the warping of space.
*it's generally not recommended but sometimes you just gotta throw caution into the solar wind and see what happens*
They warp out of orbit all the time
There’s that episode in DS9 where they are forced to warp in a system to stop an explosive. I think it’s highly dangerous due to the obstacles, but warping from just out of orbit is alright due to distance? Isk.
physically you can, but normal Starfleet procedure probably requires that you drop out of warp a little further away then approach on impulse.
This was a manuver invented by Kirk, it's not gonna consider caution or safety
Does the Queen have to account for where the Bounty is in their backward and forward slingshots in ST-IV? Or is the Bounty in another layer of subspace or something? 🤔
Or the TOS Enterprise on two different occasions
Earth would’ve been 1000 degrees if it were that close to the Sun
Sir, the breaking thrusters have fired.
Why do sparks always come out of the ceilings 😂
Because that's where the EPS conduits usually are.
Damn the Earth is close to the sun...lol
Do they not provide any lines of pseudoscientific gobbledegook to explain how they are slowly travelling across the surface of a star at faster-than-light speeds? Like, "this close to the gravitational field even though we're at warp the relative distances are stretched" or something like that?
"We did a slingshot around the sun, like Kirk did who knows how many times." They even specifically mention Kirk when considering the maneuver. :) You do get some scientific babble out of the Borg Queen! This scene isn't complete in that regard.
It's old canon..the gobbletygook was already provided decades ago. they literally spelled it out last episode...the "slingshot maneuver" is crude, but effective time travel....a way to break the warp 10 barrier and cross time AND space. Crude, because without a freaking genius (original crew had Spock, also lampshaded last episode) it's nigh-impossible to do accurately....nevermind the stress to the ship involved. it's one part luck, one part skill, and one part pure plot armor. (given that at least one semi-omnipotent race is involved in this storyline *Q* that plot armor may be more literal than normal)
At any warp speed, they would shoot past the sun in an instant. The slingshot maneuver doesn’t have to graze the sun to work.
"We go fast around sun. Go back in time!"
@@alexsolomon7991 - It’s not that at all. What let the Enterprise time travel was a controlled implosion to restart the engines while trapped in a gravity well. In future applications, they used a star’s gravity. The idea is that when going fast enough while slingshotting around a strong gravity well, if you initiate a controlled implosion in the warp engines, it triggers the time travel issue. It was explained in a tech manual as inverting the warp field, so the ship was doing FTL in real space (not subspace) which enabled going backward or forward in time depending on the calculations used.
Everyone remember where we parked !
Is this a reference to the episode of Star Trek: Voyager where Tom Paris achieved Warp 10 velocity?
Watch Star Trek IV. The one with the whales.
IT is a reference to star trek first contact when the borg queen travels back in time to the 21st century to turn EARTH into borg and picard and crew kill her. Guess all these people on this ship have memory issues
@@Tounushi Nope, to TOS. Where time travel using the Sun is first time used.
@@greengreeneya2102 I'm really surprised actually that people dont try to mess stuff up in the past more often given that all you need to go back in time is apparently Spock and a star. Could probably replace Spock with a sophisticated computer and do the job just fine.
@@johndracup3428 It is dangerous.
They were doing Warp 9.5 around the sun, then out of context ended up trapped in Earth's gravity? I get the sense of danger, tension and even why they wrote out the Jedi elf but what the heck happened in the 1 AU between Earth and the Sun there?
They were likely still going relativistic and decelerating.
Time dilation would make the 8 light minute voyage seem a lot shorter, plus the rule of storytelling means leaving out the irrelevant moments of time.
Vaguely remember Janeway ordering Paris to jump Voyager to warp while in the gravity well of a planet, he mentioned they'd be stains on the back wall XD
a wizard did it
@@duncancrickett9212 so what? Star trek has never been consistent with how warp works. TOS had the Enterprise warping in reverse, and they never cared about where the ship was.
The ship was damaged by time travel. It seems they suffered some kind of abrupt system failure. You can see them mostly sitting still near the Earth at 2:17 just before it happens.
I'm the Borg Queen, Suzanna is Captain Pickard, and she's not going anywhere.
Maybe all the time travel explains why our world is so cooky now.
Kirk in Star Trek 4, Picard in that Western Episode, First Contact, Sisko and crew, now this.
Oh! Voyager crew also in L.A.
Did Archer make it here too?
Looks like the Klingons tech was better in the past than the futures technology 👽
I guess the writer's forgot that there is a large un populated and mountainous area just 20 miles to the north of Los Angeles....yeah.
Isn't there also a big-ass desert over to the east a little bit?
@@sleazybtd Yes but the big problem is, people are gonna have noticed the fireball as well as every radar with in range picking up the ship. It'd be seized within hours.
@@sleazybtd On the other side of those mountains.
@@Seresh-j8m That would be the problem no matter where they decide to crash. It's not like "hey, let's crash in France. No one will ever notice". And by changing the crash location, didn't they extend the fireball and fly it over even more populated areas to get it from LA to France?
@@Rob8729 If it's all the same to you, I would prefer to crash my ship into sand than into mountains.
I feel like this was done specifically so they could so some sort of social commentary
Also it's cheaper if they just film outside modern day
They probably spent 99% of the budget on the first 2 episodes...
Almost certainly
@@arcahmwinters70 it's a little to literal for them to travel to our current year to do social commentary
Surely your aware most social commentary they've done in the past involved visiting other cultures to portray bad practices since the federation was supposed to be the ideal vision of the future
Coming to current year to film in the studio parking lot and Los Angeles is a little to on the nose
@@arcahmwinters70 Next thing you know, they'll have black people and white people kissing.
@@marcocappelli2236 probably John DeLacie's salary and that de aging scene
To me, Star Trek Discovery TV series is from the 1970s-1980s.
I always hated time travel. I Watch Star Trek to see the future, but they always blast me back to times I already live in. Well, Star Trek tradition
By this point in the franchise, it has been seriously overused. Star Trek IV got away with it because the whole film was made deliberately unserious. Star Trek: First Contact was set in such a sparsely populated area of the world that the fish-out-of-water trope didn't really get played - if anything, it's inverted, with the people in the destination outnumbered by the Starfleet characters, who are in a position to reveal themselves explicitly. I seriously hope this is the last time they use it to visit Earth in the characters' past, in this or any other timeline.
So, no one is Going to notice the glowing streak across the sky or the sonic boom it makes coming into the atmosphere?
Time travel always =jumping the shark.
Nothing is new anymore, it's just a new theme to an old idea.
Transmissions that are in our cars are not new they're just rebuilt.
Cars that get crushed are later sent to a blast furnace where it all gets sorted and melted.
Even the cell phones that we carry....
Dammit, modern Trek, you are suppose to give us an optimistic future, not depressing near future!
Sadly, that's what the narcissist Alex Klutzman in charge of all this shit wants people to see, he probably wants to see the world burn
Optemistic far far futere just wait 400 years
Klingon Bird of Prey was a lot tougher for time travel
Wow slingshot effect
Just how drunk i need to be to understand the logic behind it ?
With everything else they screwed up about star trek, I half expected them to say "Warp 10" without knowing what that means.
I love those no seat belt crash landings where no one even falls out of their seat. Realism, nah, who needs it, eh?
*activate On Board Virtual Velcro Crash Mitigation Systems*
Inertia dampeners is trek thing so no belts required, in episodes of tng they go off line and the crew would often throw themselves over consoles.
@@ntal5859 #1) Yes, inertial dampeners do exist in ST, 2) 'Dampen' eans to reduce, NOT eliminate, so crashes cause severe movement, look at ST Generations, people flying all over the place when saucer hits ground. 3) last TNG movie showed Picard getting a new chair with shoulder restraints.
Who wants to see a 96 year old Picard bounce around like a bloody Shaq brick off the back board!???
@@b1gjoekrash fully agreed. So strap him in, and let the youngsters bounce. (Bounce wit me...)
Read the book " How to Time Travel by Adm. James T . Kirk "
Chapter One (1) .
" Don't Do It " .
Me .......
Too Much Math and I Don't have Pointy Ears .🖖
The BQ sounds like she belongs on Doctor Who.
and I Be Ordering This On Bluray when It comes Out In November For MondayNights
This show my have it's haters, but me, I LOVE IT.
No one hates this show just the unspeakable season 1 of this weird show called picard. Now this show called picard season 2 though, now this is a show!
(3:11) It's only less Angeles.😏
How do you jump back in time and loose fuel like back to the future?
This was pretty cool but seriously, they crash with the speed of mach 2 and it's even less rocky than a rollercoaster for kids
...that's gonna leave a mark.
Funny how these Starfleet types almost always end up in California when time-traveling to Earth.
Almost as funny as how Dr. Who always stays in London.
@@richardkralick3062 Actually the Doctor has been to other places on Earth during his jaunts through time; off the top of my head he's been to the US, France, Egypt, the arctic, and Germany.