"Cease transport attempt or you will be fired upon." Attempts transfer. Does nothing. For someone attempting diplomatic relationships, the queen sure is bossy, especially considering she supposedly is in the weaker position. Seven of Nine is completely correct in her analysis. Destroy the threat and have done with it. It's senseless taking the risk. I can hear The Critical Drinker in my head saying "Nah, it'll be fine."
Oh myyyy look at that fleet Starfleet has assembled! It's not cut and paste Inquiry class. It's actually Starfleet. Sovereigns, Gregarins, Ross, Sutherlands......Excelsior! And more! This is the Star Trek we deserve. This is starting off great.
@@michaeldiekmann6494 So is Q slapping Picard in the face fan service too? I thought that was Q's way of telling Picard to shut up. It's certainly poet justice for telling Wesley to shut up. Picard abused Wesley for years and nobody ever thought of giving Picard a taste of his own medicine until now.
she could at least have the decency to say resistance is futile before assimilating the fleet I mean ho rude is that shows up and just starts assimilating the fleet without word even or dinner🤣
For all we know the number of people who actually died in combat against the Borg really is that low. We know what they prefer to do to their targets instead, after all...
Through this whole sequence on the Star Gazer, I'm impressed by how much Jeri Ryan has grown as an actor. Every time she acts or speaks, she commands the scene she is in.
@@Designsecrets - Which is perfectly in tune with the character's history. She was kidnapped as a child, assimilated, then after two decades of being part of a hive mind de-assimiliated and returned to individuality, was a valued part of the Voyager's crew, then returned to a culture where she was held in very, very deep suspicion of being a sleeper agent of the most vicious, relentless, and horrific enemy the Federation has ever faced. Is it any reason why Annika Hansen should not be bitter?
@@TechBearSeattle Yep, because it's meant to be star trek.....what ever soap opera 21st century way of thinking they've added to the story, demeans the entire universe. TNG got it right, it followed Gene's vision.....the terrible story writing of the first season of Picard, boxed 7 into being something she's not. It's as simple as that. Bad story writing and character development. Hopefully they right that this season, hopefully the fix isn't a soap opera like discovery, but on point with good story writing, and faithful character development.
Yeah, I'm definitely liking how they're writing Seven in Picard. I hope the rumors aren't true that Seven will be out after this season. She's the only character with baggage that's actually useful. Raffi and Agnes have gotten even more annoying than they were in the first season.
I've had time to reflect on this scene. I think its wonderful that Picard and the crew of the Stargazer are in a conference room discussing the Borg, just like how they used to do things on TNG. The captain never made unilateral decisions. He needed input from his crew. Here, even the Captain is seeking Picard's advice. I also noticed that Seven Of Nine is angry with the Borg, still chafing from being assimilated. It reminds me of Picard's attitude in First Contact. He deeply resented the Borg for assimilating him and he was obsessed with destroying the Borg. Now, Picard is once again playing the role of diplomatic pacifist, having finally come to terms with his anger and bitterness. He really has come full circle. Maybe this season will be about Seven letting go of her anger.
A Captain needs to make unilateral decisions in an emergency. Building a consensus erodes your authority and waste valuable time. He can consult when appropriate, but he has to have the final say. It's different here because Picard actually outranks him which is baffling why Picard actually said "I don't know" when asked what to do. I would not trust a commander who said those words in a tense situation. TNG and VOY says that. The captains often didn't know what to do, but they don't say that. They say,"Options, people." To find the right decision asap
My problem is Seven had the very character arc you are talking in voyager when she took on the borg kids they helped her learn to be human and how to get past being borg Secondly why in the hell is Picard leading this Seven should when it came to the Borg Jane-way always deferred to Seven. Picard was Borg for a couple months Seven was one for Years if anyone has a good understanding of the Borg it would be Seven.
It's a whole-lot of drama about nothing. A vessel is coming in and threatening, the danger is unknown and great, every commander in such situation orders an immediate response, not a philosophical round-table. The writers just want to create a stretched out tension and drama where the course of action is clear.
@@faded9581 Picard is very weak in this show, I don’t like it. Like a bungling geezer. Him and Seven have both been Borg. This should have been easy for them to come to agreement about what to do.
Borg connections strike the control panels. Sparks immediately shower down from the ceiling... There's something very very wrong with the electrical wiring in starship ceilings.
I hate how they made Rios freeze and become indecisive when the borg queen borded the ship and shit got real. He didn't even say anything when Picard took charge and ordered the destruction of HIS ship. It's the Captain's duty the scuttle the ship when all is lost, not a visiting passenger even if he is an admiral.
Crazy theory: It's old Janeway from the other timeline. The Queen had attempted to assimilate her. It's possible enough nanoprobes adapted to protect themselves from her virus at the last moment. Kept enough of old Janeway from dying in the explosion, to created a new Borg hive, free from their old rules and style. It would explain why it took them this long to re-emerge. Hopefully some of you remember the Voyager series finale.
@@aurorajones8481 to be fair, fans have been uproaring over some interesting Trek that made the Franchies pretty neat (Star Trek Lower Decks and Star Trek Progity with some Star Trek Picard) and Trek that fans just wish would just die and be forgotten even if its trying to be good (Star Trek Discovery... Side note its just ok for me) so maybe with all that uproar they forgot about Old Trek until they actually watch the Episodes again
I was thinking it might be Seven from the future. Notice how Seven and this queen refer to him as Picard and also how the queen doesn't shoot Seven when she's firing on all the others..., but you have a good theory too.
Don't forget that the Queen has bodies in reserve in multiple locations around the galaxy. The only way they have her masked is something drastically effected the borg and it's someone we're not expecting at all. I do like the future Janeway idea but in respects to be more cannon would it not be too far fetched to think it might be a fellow TNG crew member. She was looking at only him when she beamed onto the bridge calling him by his name and not Locutus!!!
It's got to be Seven from the past. I think she'll sacrifice herself to stay in the past as Borg Queen, meaning she'll be there in the future to achieve their objectives. This whole season will be a re-telling of the final TNG show with Picard realising that his actions by going back kicked off the future he's living in. Q even didn't respond when Picard said he'd sit this one out, meaning that the fastest way to win Q's game is not to play.
@@aussiewanderer6304 it's Juratia. All the Borg queen ever says to her is how Jurati is alone in every universe. Plus she gets assimilated in episode 5.
Chances are because the torpedoes are from the future they and all data concerning them have been locked away by temporal investigations to protect the timeline.
I think I’ve figured out the lesson Q is trying to teach Picard (and humanity). Never go too far on any one direction. In TNG humanity was too open and trusting, Q introduced them to the Borg so they would learn they need to protect themselves as not all species are willing to negotiate (this prepared them for the dominion). Now humanity is too isolationist and protective so Q sent Picard to universe wheee humanity was always this way.
Something like "You humans must balance things out." We must know when to reach out and when to go back sit down for a while. Because if we are too focused on 1 thing we may be blinded to something else. And other way around. Something like keeping only 1 eye opened. And Q probably wants us to use both eyes.
This is a very real problem with humanity today, when we face opposition, we go extreme quite easily. You can see this in social issues or in the most recent conflict, which has the potential to end the civilization.
The universe he got sent to is not isolationist and protective, it is literally expansionist and discriminatory, just less campy than the Terran Empire.
@@randomdude8202 We go extreme because in the real world, when we are faced with someone who wants to do various ills in our minds to us, the easiest thing to do is to say "Bother us, you are going to be put six feet under... if you are lucky!"
She wasn't trying to assimilate the ship, she needed the ship's power to be compatible with borg tech...probably because of the energy they expended creating and crossing the rift...
When you watch episode 6 and then when you listen to the borg communication before the thing who ever it is transported over. The voice on the communication is Dr Agnes Jurati
Seven's spot on with the Borg tactics - Victory through whatever means necessary, and in the absence of strength - deception. She even says in the next scene we can't give them an armada. She just has the wrong queen. Since they worked on both seasons at once, that's quite a tease in hindsight!
I love the Borg voice effect. It finally sounds like there aer many voices speaking as one, unlike the robot voice used in First Contact and Voyager. And it is great to see how the Borg have changed since the last time we saw them. What happened after "Endgame"? Why was there no time? Why do they need Picard? What did the queen want? This is an AWESOME episode and I can't wait to see more. Plus: Q!
The "robot voice used in First Contact and Voyager" was actually a collection of about 30 people talking - mostly the actors and crew of the show. It was modulated afterward, but it wasn't just one voice that was "made robot".
I just cant get enough of that writer's gold where they constantly have Picard saying "I don't know what to do, I can't make up my mind, I am confused AF". Pure genius writing to completely neuter him.
If these new Borg are there to help stop a "Stargate styled" subspace anomaly from killing everyone upon opening with its "Kawoosh effect" and the Queen is an alternate timeline version of Jurarti, and time is of the essence, no pun intended, why not just reveal this from the get go, Instead of trying to "nEgOtIaTe!"
Rewatching after episode 6, and I find it interesting that Agnes is the one most on-board with trying to make peace with the Borg. Part of me wonders if subconsciously she recognized her future self in these Borg, assuming that the BQ-Agnes fusion eventually becomes the masked queen.
Very astute observation. I’m glad you picked up on this because I thought there was something odd with Jurati being on the Borg side of the equation during that conference room discussion. This assumes Jurati does become part of the Borg and is revealed after the mask comes off. We don’t know this yet but it’s the strongest hunch we have…but may ultimately be a bait and switch moment if it turns out to be someone else.
@@DorothyFan1 It is funny how the Agnes-Borg-queen hybrid's words can be transferred to herself in several ways: In order for the plan to succeed, one Agnes must die so that the other one can live. This first encounter had Agnes as crew and as Borg queen. That wouldn't work out. (Also a nasty paradox right there! How could she be in two places during the first run of the encounter?)
I could see Star Gazer not having shields up as a emissary/good faith gesture (although still not smart) but the rest of the fleet should be battle ready as they can get.
I still think it was a misunderstanding. Picard was acting on fear, instead of taking all facts into account. The crew were being stunned, therefore alive. She wasn't assimilating. She was giving all their knowledge. But picard and the crew thought they were being attacked. So in fear of losing everything they destroyed everything.
That's quite an imagination you have. She was taking control of the entire Federation armada and thought it was a misunderstanding? That's not how you open peace negotiations, especially considering the history there.
Honestly, knowing know who that borg was, they could've explained what was the problem instead of saying "we need power" in that ominous way and then start to assimilate the ships.
Transporter tech can clone seamlessly- that's how Will Riker got his doppelganger. So why didn't the borg just use a transporter and grow an ARMY if 7's?
Somehow, I suspect whoever came up with the bright idea of infusing Federation ships with Borg technology and having them ALL linked together is probably now mopping the floors of Starfleet Command on the night shift...
Wait. So Rios never got to see the Borg join the federation AND see their 400 year queen, Rios ex girlfriend, Jurati. Dude should've stuck around with Picard for another few minutes. Just five more minutes
When you say "stop or we shoot" and they don't stop, you need to shoot. Following through on threats is a basic rule of being taken seriously. If you're willing to hear the borg queen out, then don't threaten to shoot her.
Do you know why they didn't have the Queen remove the mask to reveal it was Jerati 1) They needed the series to happen 2) They didn't know what they were doing so they could have their mystery box B.S.
Picard isn’t acting very Picard like. I can’t accept this is the same character from TNG. He is weak, confused, soft spoken, and ineffectual. Almost like his alternate reality self was supposed to be in TNG’s “Tapestry.” Or our current president.
I'm not sure about all this after seeing the direction where this is going, I hate the "lesson" it's trying to push. You see a long term enemy, extremely powerful that has done nothing but try to massacre you, then they take what anyone would consider to be hostile actions even with the most generous of interpretations. I mean they hesitated multiple times and the borg (who are extremely intelligent) failed to express themselves clearly. Of course they're going to attack. This isn't a matter of them just jumping to conclusions with a new alien species, they have decades of evidence to support their reaction. But we're supposed to be taken on a season long journey of Q going "look what your fear has done to you!" because of this incident? It's just so contrived. I dislike that kind of forced lesson: "you were wrong because you interpreted clearly hostile acts from a known enemy as hostile but they weren't and you somehow should have known better."
honestly, Q's lessons have always been bullshit. Kinda wish that changed here, but no luck. Seven is the only one acting rational here by firing on the Queen. should have been done immediately too, idfk why they hesitated at all tbh
@@nickromanthefencer True. Most of what Q does is because he actually likes Picard but he only shows it in the most toxic way and frames it as some test or lesson, when in reality it's a poor attempt at actually giving him some help in a backwards Q sort of way. Maybe this is the same thing. He didn't want Picard to die so this is his backwards way of trying to prevent it I still don't like it. I honestly never understood the series finally of TNG. It felt like all the time jumping Q made Picard do was what caused the problem. So it seemed pointless. This seems like the same thing. If he really wanted to help, just freeze time and explain what's happening to Picard, problem solved.
@@olandir Q is more than a bit late in preventing Jean-Luc Picard's death, as we seem to have easily forgotten that the version running around after the end of season one is a robot (not matter what it's constructed of) with his memories implanted into it.
Whether or not overarching conspiracy theories about real life society are true, how many of them are true, or if they are not, you must notice something is wrong with media these days and that this message and other disarming messages like this are found very often.
I love this scene But, really? "Borg vessel cease transport attempt or you will be fired upon.". Borg try to transport over......everyone looks confused and no order is given to fire? I know we need to have a story but come on 🤣.
Just a theory....Picard must be waiting for Q's response or intervention if he decide to act against the Borg. To self-destruct the ship was a show of never again to being locutis and/or maybe the end of humanity's assimilation. It's either resistance is futile or to be Picard as the evil Greek conqueror. In the end, Q is the end game.
I'm just happy that the stargazer wasn't the "only ship in range" lol I loved all of the Starship scenes I'm not a fan of time travel period I watched this to see the future. I thought all of the parts in the future were well done ..... I absolutely love the stargazer and I think Rios is crazy for abandoning his crew and his Starship. Shameful. But I love the series especially the Starship scenes because I love TNG
This clearly isn't the original Borg queen, this is someone Picard had a history of some sort with. The original Borg Queen ALWAYS called him Locutis. This one called him Picard....so it's someone who he knew previously.
Picard has lost his mind. Nowhere in TNG or the movies did he soften his in his feelings for the Borg. In fact, he hated them MORE than Seven ever did...yet she is the one rating and raving about them while he sits all cool and talking in a calm, whispering voice. It makes no sense.
He may have done after First Contact because one of the characters literally tells him to his face that the Borg are his version of The white whale in Moby Dick and he then changes his behaviour based on that. He goes from not wanting to lose the enterprise at any cost to ordering the ship be abandoned
It's 30 years since TNG era Picard. Borg was left scrambling and now they did ask for help, like the whole collective, a totally new behavior. It's not unreasonable to assume his attitude has changed and that if peace can be obtained with them, why not entertain it? Picard was always a diplomat, so don't find it out of character.
Nowhere in TNG did he soften his feelings for the Borg? Are you sure you watched the series? What is with "I Borg". The whole existence of Hugh in the first season of Picard is the result of Picard having soft feelings for a Borg, seeing more than a machine. He could have eradicated the borg with a deadly virus, but decided to rescue a borg instead.
@@adamryan977 what about First Contact? In i Borg he came to see Hue as an individual but later wrestled with the ramifications of that in Descent. Overall he still hated them and considered them the biggest threat to the federation.
The Accord "Jean-luc," Riker and Troi stared at this very naked and sexually active Picard appearing suddenly from behind a darkened doorway leading from the Borg Queen's Throne room where the enthroned and equally naked Borg Queen sat silently. "What have you done!" "I have reached an Accord with the Borg." Picard emerged from the shadows revealing himself to be infected with Borg machines. "...Peace in our time, Will." "An Accord? What are you talking about..." Picard's physical form snapped and adjusted in all the wrong places until a Dog-like monstrosity made of Borg and Picard lopped slowly across the Dias to a position beside his Queen. As Troi vomited in horror at what had just happened, Will cringed at the destruction of his friend tightening his grip on Deanna's hand. "The Borg accept our place in a shared future." The Borg Queen spoke with the voice of Seven of Nine. "We are now and forever the Federation."
Nope. It seems to me the creators but especially the writers forget entirely that it's not the modern-day, humans in that time period have a more evolved sensibility.
I just can't get into this. Every tiny detail of it just reeks of tryhard desperation. It's way - waaaaaay overcooked. The cinematography is superfluous, the sound design is frankly laughable and the least said about the infantile writing, the better. The producers seem to have zero concept of the elegance of simplicity (i.e. 'less is more'). They try so hard to 'improve' Star Trek, but it just comes off as arrogant and disrespectful to the entire premise of Star Trek. ... Like an arrogant teenager refusing to take advice from those who clearly know better. A product of its time, for sure.
@@runningoutoftime8177 one transwarp hub out of 6 in the galaxy. Used a Borg pathogen that only disconnected the Borg queen from the collective not the entire Borg collective from each drone. Please tell me how this was the Borg decimated
Well, at least they didn't change ONE thing about Star Trek: the snail-paced military response to an immediate threat.
Hahaha!
"Cease transport attempt or you will be fired upon."
Attempts transfer. Does nothing.
For someone attempting diplomatic relationships, the queen sure is bossy, especially considering she supposedly is in the weaker position. Seven of Nine is completely correct in her analysis. Destroy the threat and have done with it. It's senseless taking the risk.
I can hear The Critical Drinker in my head saying "Nah, it'll be fine."
@@zetaconvex1987 I hate it when the script demands stupid inept communication in order to artificially create unnecessary tension.
They should've shoot the consul so that the Borg Queen can't assimilate the ship. They obviously got trouble penetrating the shield.
It's because the federation has had too much time of peace. They dont have the mindset needed for threats.
“We’re the tip of the spear, you’re the ranking officer, and the devil is calling your name.”
Rios always gets the badass lines
Very bad ass but getting his ass kick
Oh myyyy look at that fleet Starfleet has assembled! It's not cut and paste Inquiry class. It's actually Starfleet. Sovereigns, Gregarins, Ross, Sutherlands......Excelsior! And more! This is the Star Trek we deserve. This is starting off great.
plus all those star trek online ships in there that are now cannon great work
Its just fanservice, calm down.
I wish the sound design and warp design remained consistent across the series.
Yea well I was impressed wirth the first episode of season 1..... we all know how that turned out
@@michaeldiekmann6494 So is Q slapping Picard in the face fan service too? I thought that was Q's way of telling Picard to shut up. It's certainly poet justice for telling Wesley to shut up. Picard abused Wesley for years and nobody ever thought of giving Picard a taste of his own medicine until now.
It's so nice seeing Jeri Ryan being allowed to emote for once.
she could at least have the decency to say resistance is futile before assimilating the fleet I mean ho rude is that shows up and just starts assimilating the fleet without word even or dinner🤣
To quote the borg, “negotiation is irrelevant you will be assimilated”
The Excelsior class: IM INMORTAL!!!
I'd loved to have an uprated Constitution-class spacecraft (Enterprise A).
@@nicholasmaude6906 I really wish to see that too, I don’t know why, cuz the Miranda and Excelsior even the Oberth (Grissom) make on tv and movies!
@@nicholasmaude6906 umm it’s called a sovereign class smh u fake fans need too open ya eyes
@@BigAntTVMedia The Sovereign class is NOT an uprated Constitution class spacecraft.
@@nicholasmaude6906 pssst...they are called vessels or starship...But you are correct that a Constitution class is not a Sovereign class.
@1:24 Seven: "The borg have killed 10s of millions"
😬 Might wanna count the zeros on that figure Seven.. millions seems a little low
Yeah... billions or even trillions is probably closer to accurate.
For all we know the number of people who actually died in combat against the Borg really is that low.
We know what they prefer to do to their targets instead, after all...
"So anyway, I started blasting..."
The moment I saw this scene at 4:01 I said, "THat's new."
THen a couple minutes later.... Jurati seemed to mirror my thing.
Shields up? Are they stupid? They were in front of a borg ship with shields down?
This _is_ Starfleet we 'we talking about.
Shields go up when red alert is called usually. Unless the script calls for it to be said later for more dramatic effect, lol.
Shields can get disabled manually in red alert. I would say in this case "max power to the shields" would be the better phrase
Captain Rios: “Well Admiral, Right Now We Are At The Typical Of The Spear You’re The Ranking Officer In the That’s Calling You’re Name…
Through this whole sequence on the Star Gazer, I'm impressed by how much Jeri Ryan has grown as an actor. Every time she acts or speaks, she commands the scene she is in.
She was better in the body suit being more seven of 9......now she's a completely different 'bitter' character
@@Designsecrets - Which is perfectly in tune with the character's history. She was kidnapped as a child, assimilated, then after two decades of being part of a hive mind de-assimiliated and returned to individuality, was a valued part of the Voyager's crew, then returned to a culture where she was held in very, very deep suspicion of being a sleeper agent of the most vicious, relentless, and horrific enemy the Federation has ever faced.
Is it any reason why Annika Hansen should not be bitter?
@@TechBearSeattle Yep, because it's meant to be star trek.....what ever soap opera 21st century way of thinking they've added to the story, demeans the entire universe. TNG got it right, it followed Gene's vision.....the terrible story writing of the first season of Picard, boxed 7 into being something she's not. It's as simple as that. Bad story writing and character development. Hopefully they right that this season, hopefully the fix isn't a soap opera like discovery, but on point with good story writing, and faithful character development.
Er....not quite lol
Yeah, I'm definitely liking how they're writing Seven in Picard. I hope the rumors aren't true that Seven will be out after this season. She's the only character with baggage that's actually useful. Raffi and Agnes have gotten even more annoying than they were in the first season.
I've had time to reflect on this scene. I think its wonderful that Picard and the crew of the Stargazer are in a conference room discussing the Borg, just like how they used to do things on TNG. The captain never made unilateral decisions. He needed input from his crew. Here, even the Captain is seeking Picard's advice. I also noticed that Seven Of Nine is angry with the Borg, still chafing from being assimilated. It reminds me of Picard's attitude in First Contact. He deeply resented the Borg for assimilating him and he was obsessed with destroying the Borg. Now, Picard is once again playing the role of diplomatic pacifist, having finally come to terms with his anger and bitterness. He really has come full circle. Maybe this season will be about Seven letting go of her anger.
A Captain needs to make unilateral decisions in an emergency. Building a consensus erodes your authority and waste valuable time. He can consult when appropriate, but he has to have the final say.
It's different here because Picard actually outranks him which is baffling why Picard actually said "I don't know" when asked what to do. I would not trust a commander who said those words in a tense situation.
TNG and VOY says that. The captains often didn't know what to do, but they don't say that. They say,"Options, people." To find the right decision asap
My problem is Seven had the very character arc you are talking in voyager when she took on the borg kids they helped her learn to be human and how to get past being borg Secondly why in the hell is Picard leading this Seven should when it came to the Borg Jane-way always deferred to Seven. Picard was Borg for a couple months Seven was one for Years if anyone has a good understanding of the Borg it would be Seven.
It's a whole-lot of drama about nothing.
A vessel is coming in and threatening, the danger is unknown and great, every commander in such situation orders an immediate response, not a philosophical round-table. The writers just want to create a stretched out tension and drama where the course of action is clear.
@@faded9581 Picard is very weak in this show, I don’t like it. Like a bungling geezer. Him and Seven have both been Borg. This should have been easy for them to come to agreement about what to do.
I hope it’s about much more than ‘Seven letting go of her anger’. Watch Discovery for that mush.
Borg connections strike the control panels.
Sparks immediately shower down from the ceiling...
There's something very very wrong with the electrical wiring in starship ceilings.
I wonder when the Borg decided to abandon geometric shapes. Would've been great to see some massive tricked out Cube.
Actually that ship is a bunch of geometric shapes put together in a complicated way
When the budget went up?
Could that ship actually be a unimateix?
To geometrical it would look like a goauld warship
Frustrated Borg: _Man, we did cube and we did sphere! What else do you want??_
Notice how when the security team was mobilizing they used a mix of the Motion Picture and classic red alert klaxons? To quote Jurati; "that's new".
I hate how they made Rios freeze and become indecisive when the borg queen borded the ship and shit got real. He didn't even say anything when Picard took charge and ordered the destruction of HIS ship. It's the Captain's duty the scuttle the ship when all is lost, not a visiting passenger even if he is an admiral.
Picard is an admiral, he out ranks him.
@@ShuskiCross Retired.
@@howardrash2446 Picard is the chancellor of Starfleet Academy.
Crazy theory: It's old Janeway from the other timeline. The Queen had attempted to assimilate her. It's possible enough nanoprobes adapted to protect themselves from her virus at the last moment. Kept enough of old Janeway from dying in the explosion, to created a new Borg hive, free from their old rules and style. It would explain why it took them this long to re-emerge. Hopefully some of you remember the Voyager series finale.
I didn't even consider that.
OMG its not ancient history. Damn. We all still know how WWII turned out. Yes that finale was very good.
@@aurorajones8481 to be fair, fans have been uproaring over some interesting Trek that made the Franchies pretty neat (Star Trek Lower Decks and Star Trek Progity with some Star Trek Picard) and Trek that fans just wish would just die and be forgotten even if its trying to be good (Star Trek Discovery... Side note its just ok for me) so maybe with all that uproar they forgot about Old Trek until they actually watch the Episodes again
I was thinking it might be Seven from the future. Notice how Seven and this queen refer to him as Picard and also how the queen doesn't shoot Seven when she's firing on all the others..., but you have a good theory too.
No.
Don't forget that the Queen has bodies in reserve in multiple locations around the galaxy. The only way they have her masked is something drastically effected the borg and it's someone we're not expecting at all. I do like the future Janeway idea but in respects to be more cannon would it not be too far fetched to think it might be a fellow TNG crew member. She was looking at only him when she beamed onto the bridge calling him by his name and not Locutus!!!
It's got to be Seven from the past. I think she'll sacrifice herself to stay in the past as Borg Queen, meaning she'll be there in the future to achieve their objectives.
This whole season will be a re-telling of the final TNG show with Picard realising that his actions by going back kicked off the future he's living in.
Q even didn't respond when Picard said he'd sit this one out, meaning that the fastest way to win Q's game is not to play.
@@aussiewanderer6304 it's Juratia. All the Borg queen ever says to her is how Jurati is alone in every universe. Plus she gets assimilated in episode 5.
Um, am I the only one that recognises ALL of those ships from Star Trek: Online?
Season 2 is looking incredible 😍
Borg did not kill her parents, they assimilate them. At least her father.
Technically, Janeway killed her parents.
WE ARE BORG VENOM
data would have locked the borg out no problem like in first contact. they all should have listened to Seven. and WHERE ARE THE TRANSPHASIC TORPEDOES
i miss Data
Chances are because the torpedoes are from the future they and all data concerning them have been locked away by temporal investigations to protect the timeline.
@@arceerogueharleyquinncapta9925 what happened to B4?
@@christiananstes4161 Nonsense.
And those transforming ablative shields.
I think I’ve figured out the lesson Q is trying to teach Picard (and humanity). Never go too far on any one direction. In TNG humanity was too open and trusting, Q introduced them to the Borg so they would learn they need to protect themselves as not all species are willing to negotiate (this prepared them for the dominion). Now humanity is too isolationist and protective so Q sent Picard to universe wheee humanity was always this way.
Something like "You humans must balance things out."
We must know when to reach out and when to go back sit down for a while. Because if we are too focused on 1 thing we may be blinded to something else. And other way around.
Something like keeping only 1 eye opened. And Q probably wants us to use both eyes.
This is a very real problem with humanity today, when we face opposition, we go extreme quite easily. You can see this in social issues or in the most recent conflict, which has the potential to end the civilization.
The universe he got sent to is not isolationist and protective, it is literally expansionist and discriminatory, just less campy than the Terran Empire.
@@Drownedinblood
Isolationism leads to paranoia and paranoia leads to lashing out.
@@randomdude8202 We go extreme because in the real world, when we are faced with someone who wants to do various ills in our minds to us, the easiest thing to do is to say "Bother us, you are going to be put six feet under... if you are lucky!"
She wasn't trying to assimilate the ship, she needed the ship's power to be compatible with borg tech...probably because of the energy they expended creating and crossing the rift...
Then why hacking the whole fleet, trying to take control over all ships?
When you watch episode 6 and then when you listen to the borg communication before the thing who ever it is transported over. The voice on the communication is Dr Agnes Jurati
Would have loved to see an Intrepid-class there.
or a Defiant and the Prometheus
Seven's spot on with the Borg tactics - Victory through whatever means necessary, and in the absence of strength - deception. She even says in the next scene we can't give them an armada. She just has the wrong queen. Since they worked on both seasons at once, that's quite a tease in hindsight!
Admiral Adama: No networked computers!
I love the Borg voice effect. It finally sounds like there aer many voices speaking as one, unlike the robot voice used in First Contact and Voyager. And it is great to see how the Borg have changed since the last time we saw them. What happened after "Endgame"? Why was there no time? Why do they need Picard? What did the queen want? This is an AWESOME episode and I can't wait to see more. Plus: Q!
Plus they didn't start with the cringy "we are the Borg" line that was not used in "Q Who" or "The Best Of Both Worlds"
The "robot voice used in First Contact and Voyager" was actually a collection of about 30 people talking - mostly the actors and crew of the show. It was modulated afterward, but it wasn't just one voice that was "made robot".
@@sarcasticstartrek7719 it didnt sound like many people. I think this voice truly sounds like a collective.
"I'm FAIRLY CERTAIN that, if WE don't act, THEY do. So, what do we do?"
Uh, ACT, like, RIGHT THE HECK AWAY?
4:15 feels eerily similar to the episode of TNG when the parasite species infiltrated the admirals of Starfleet "We seek peaceful cooperation"
Classic ending when Riker blasted the parasite and turned TNG into a horror show.
Borg ship fires at their flag ship. ENTIRE FLEET JUST WATCHES AND DOES NOTHING
The queen's costume has echoes of darth vador
3:17 i love that shield effect
agnes is that person....thats why her face is hidden
I just cant get enough of that writer's gold where they constantly have Picard saying "I don't know what to do, I can't make up my mind, I am confused AF". Pure genius writing to completely neuter him.
Well Seven's got the right idea, Open Fire!
History gives us experience from the past, and now we will have the leaders we need for our world. This is more than just money.
If these new Borg are there to help stop a "Stargate styled" subspace anomaly from killing everyone upon opening with its "Kawoosh effect" and the Queen is an alternate timeline version of Jurarti, and time is of the essence, no pun intended, why not just reveal this from the get go, Instead of trying to "nEgOtIaTe!"
The shape of the borg ship reminds me of something......hmmm....
What happened to erecting a level 5 shield around the intruder on the bridge??
Given the Queen beamed THROUGH the shields i doubt a security force field would hold her no matter how strong.
@@az093123 gotta at least try to defend the ship.
The " captain" is very very slow... he just reacts...slowly
Rewatching after episode 6, and I find it interesting that Agnes is the one most on-board with trying to make peace with the Borg. Part of me wonders if subconsciously she recognized her future self in these Borg, assuming that the BQ-Agnes fusion eventually becomes the masked queen.
Very astute observation. I’m glad you picked up on this because I thought there was something odd with Jurati being on the Borg side of the equation during that conference room discussion. This assumes Jurati does become part of the Borg and is revealed after the mask comes off. We don’t know this yet but it’s the strongest hunch we have…but may ultimately be a bait and switch moment if it turns out to be someone else.
@@DorothyFan1 It is funny how the Agnes-Borg-queen hybrid's words can be transferred to herself in several ways:
In order for the plan to succeed, one Agnes must die so that the other one can live.
This first encounter had Agnes as crew and as Borg queen. That wouldn't work out. (Also a nasty paradox right there! How could she be in two places during the first run of the encounter?)
@@Dowlphin Yes, how can both Agneses be there at the same time?
I'm watching this wondering when it is that star trek decides to start firing
Femma Trek with a token old gizzer.
Picard, first contact - Captain Ahab, destroy them all!
Picard, this POS: "Well, I don't know, they might be good guys now"
"broadcast fleetwide, shields up!"...wait, they weren't already up? Really?
I could see Star Gazer not having shields up as a emissary/good faith gesture (although still not smart) but the rest of the fleet should be battle ready as they can get.
The Queen reminds me of my evil big step sister
They require power. Yeah, the set needs more power to brighten the lights.
I still think it was a misunderstanding.
Picard was acting on fear, instead of taking all facts into account.
The crew were being stunned, therefore alive.
She wasn't assimilating. She was giving all their knowledge.
But picard and the crew thought they were being attacked.
So in fear of losing everything they destroyed everything.
She didn’t explain anything. She just beamed onto their ship without authorization. What did she expect?
That's quite an imagination you have. She was taking control of the entire Federation armada and thought it was a misunderstanding? That's not how you open peace negotiations, especially considering the history there.
OMG, FIRE --- EVERYBODY FIRE -- WHAT ARE THEY WAITING ON ???
How about included the series name, the season number, and the episode number so that we can find this to actually watch.
Honestly, knowing know who that borg was, they could've explained what was the problem instead of saying "we need power" in that ominous way and then start to assimilate the ships.
Transporter tech can clone seamlessly- that's how Will Riker got his doppelganger. So why didn't the borg just use a transporter and grow an ARMY if 7's?
Who's brilliant idea was it to give Seven a phaser shaped like a 1911?
Somehow, I suspect whoever came up with the bright idea of infusing Federation ships with Borg technology and having them ALL linked together is probably now mopping the floors of Starfleet Command on the night shift...
When did the Borg start mumbling? Didn't understand a word of that.
Wait. So Rios never got to see the Borg join the federation AND see their 400 year queen, Rios ex girlfriend, Jurati. Dude should've stuck around with Picard for another few minutes. Just five more minutes
When you say "stop or we shoot" and they don't stop, you need to shoot. Following through on threats is a basic rule of being taken seriously. If you're willing to hear the borg queen out, then don't threaten to shoot her.
so, the most advanced starfleet ship, built with lots of tech from a borg cube, still couldn't stop a borg from beaming over?
It might be argued that "assimilating" Borg tech made it that much easier for the Collective to establish a connection.
@@TheSaneHatter sounds like a thing starfleet would do. Never make technic that wouldnt try to destroy themselves
She wasn't trying to assimilate anyone or destroy them.
I would not touch that bridge consoles in her place, this things tend to blow up from looking strange at them.
Do you know why they didn't have the Queen remove the mask to reveal it was Jerati 1) They needed the series to happen 2) They didn't know what they were doing so they could have their mystery box B.S.
Prisoner’s dilemma
Picard isn’t acting very Picard like. I can’t accept this is the same character from TNG. He is weak, confused, soft spoken, and ineffectual. Almost like his alternate reality self was supposed to be in TNG’s “Tapestry.” Or our current president.
These Borg are refugees from the alternate universe. That vessel is from a different species they have assimilated.
Why is the volume so low
I'm not sure about all this after seeing the direction where this is going, I hate the "lesson" it's trying to push. You see a long term enemy, extremely powerful that has done nothing but try to massacre you, then they take what anyone would consider to be hostile actions even with the most generous of interpretations. I mean they hesitated multiple times and the borg (who are extremely intelligent) failed to express themselves clearly. Of course they're going to attack. This isn't a matter of them just jumping to conclusions with a new alien species, they have decades of evidence to support their reaction.
But we're supposed to be taken on a season long journey of Q going "look what your fear has done to you!" because of this incident? It's just so contrived. I dislike that kind of forced lesson: "you were wrong because you interpreted clearly hostile acts from a known enemy as hostile but they weren't and you somehow should have known better."
honestly, Q's lessons have always been bullshit. Kinda wish that changed here, but no luck. Seven is the only one acting rational here by firing on the Queen. should have been done immediately too, idfk why they hesitated at all tbh
@@nickromanthefencer True. Most of what Q does is because he actually likes Picard but he only shows it in the most toxic way and frames it as some test or lesson, when in reality it's a poor attempt at actually giving him some help in a backwards Q sort of way.
Maybe this is the same thing. He didn't want Picard to die so this is his backwards way of trying to prevent it
I still don't like it.
I honestly never understood the series finally of TNG. It felt like all the time jumping Q made Picard do was what caused the problem. So it seemed pointless.
This seems like the same thing. If he really wanted to help, just freeze time and explain what's happening to Picard, problem solved.
@@nickromanthefencer admit to myself im like lite her up 7
@@olandir Q is more than a bit late in preventing Jean-Luc Picard's death, as we seem to have easily forgotten that the version running around after the end of season one is a robot (not matter what it's constructed of) with his memories implanted into it.
Whether or not overarching conspiracy theories about real life society are true, how many of them are true, or if they are not, you must notice something is wrong with media these days and that this message and other disarming messages like this are found very often.
I love this scene But, really? "Borg vessel cease transport attempt or you will be fired upon.". Borg try to transport over......everyone looks confused and no order is given to fire?
I know we need to have a story but come on 🤣.
It seems that "Captian" Rios may not be fit to run a a starship, if he just keeps freezing every time something bad starts happening.
USS European Union.
USS America
the borg queen the second borg leader after locutus
Just a theory....Picard must be waiting for Q's response or intervention if he decide to act against the Borg. To self-destruct the ship was a show of never again to being locutis and/or maybe the end of humanity's assimilation. It's either resistance is futile or to be Picard as the evil Greek conqueror. In the end, Q is the end game.
Or the writers of this show are tards and don't understand trek?
4:05 that's new
different
The borg should have been made up of old ships they consumed.
I'm pretty sure they did have peaceful intentions and does that newborn ship look like an eye to anybody else or is it just me
It’s Jurati-Borg!! 😉
Where's Spock when you need him??? 🐹
I'm just happy that the stargazer wasn't the "only ship in range" lol I loved all of the Starship scenes I'm not a fan of time travel period I watched this to see the future. I thought all of the parts in the future were well done ..... I absolutely love the stargazer and I think Rios is crazy for abandoning his crew and his Starship. Shameful. But I love the series especially the Starship scenes because I love TNG
Who started the borg?? Was it just a computer that latched onto a living being?
You mean queen palpatine?
This clearly isn't the original Borg queen, this is someone Picard had a history of some sort with. The original Borg Queen ALWAYS called him Locutis. This one called him Picard....so it's someone who he knew previously.
I think it is Jurati. I won't spoil anything but watch episode 6 if you already havn't
Picard has lost his mind. Nowhere in TNG or the movies did he soften his in his feelings for the Borg. In fact, he hated them MORE than Seven ever did...yet she is the one rating and raving about them while he sits all cool and talking in a calm, whispering voice. It makes no sense.
He may have done after First Contact because one of the characters literally tells him to his face that the Borg are his version of The white whale in Moby Dick and he then changes his behaviour based on that. He goes from not wanting to lose the enterprise at any cost to ordering the ship be abandoned
Totally agree. I couldn’t believe this was the same character. Compare him here to his attitude in I Borg or First Contact
It's 30 years since TNG era Picard. Borg was left scrambling and now they did ask for help, like the whole collective, a totally new behavior. It's not unreasonable to assume his attitude has changed and that if peace can be obtained with them, why not entertain it? Picard was always a diplomat, so don't find it out of character.
Nowhere in TNG did he soften his feelings for the Borg? Are you sure you watched the series? What is with "I Borg". The whole existence of Hugh in the first season of Picard is the result of Picard having soft feelings for a Borg, seeing more than a machine. He could have eradicated the borg with a deadly virus, but decided to rescue a borg instead.
@@adamryan977 what about First Contact? In i Borg he came to see Hue as an individual but later wrestled with the ramifications of that in Descent. Overall he still hated them and considered them the biggest threat to the federation.
What kind of power? What's up with tendrils through console? Why even show up on the ship? Was that really efficient?
Showing up and immediately breaking things isn't the most diplomatic thing to do.
Star Gazer? What is that ? Like a laundry ship?( think uss Walter Mondale)
Seven isn't bitter at all
she waasnt wasting time and pew pew pew
Who taught seven how to shoot 😂
The Accord
"Jean-luc," Riker and Troi stared at this very naked and sexually active Picard appearing suddenly from behind a darkened doorway leading from the Borg Queen's Throne room where the enthroned and equally naked Borg Queen sat silently. "What have you done!"
"I have reached an Accord with the Borg." Picard emerged from the shadows revealing himself to be infected with Borg machines. "...Peace in our time, Will."
"An Accord? What are you talking about..." Picard's physical form snapped and adjusted in all the wrong places until a Dog-like monstrosity made of Borg and Picard lopped slowly across the Dias to a position beside his Queen. As Troi vomited in horror at what had just happened, Will cringed at the destruction of his friend tightening his grip on Deanna's hand.
"The Borg accept our place in a shared future." The Borg Queen spoke with the voice of Seven of Nine. "We are now and forever the Federation."
Where is this from?
These are not star trek conversations
They are when Kurtzman is in charge.
Nope. It seems to me the creators but especially the writers forget entirely that it's not the modern-day, humans in that time period have a more evolved sensibility.
Sad to see this only episode of Picard is superior to all Discovery season...
I thought that was Magneto
I'm so glad this isn't canon.
Yes, it is! this is trek now.
@@nextlevelenglish5858 In my mind it isn't.
picard needs caffiene
This episode would have been better on the original bridge of the USS stargazer can you imagine a 100-year-old Ship back in service
There was. Raffi had brought the original USS Excelsior (with a few upgrades, but it's the very same ship that Hikaru Sulu commanded).
Picard and Seven swapped scripts
I just can't get into this. Every tiny detail of it just reeks of tryhard desperation. It's way - waaaaaay overcooked. The cinematography is superfluous, the sound design is frankly laughable and the least said about the infantile writing, the better.
The producers seem to have zero concept of the elegance of simplicity (i.e. 'less is more'). They try so hard to 'improve' Star Trek, but it just comes off as arrogant and disrespectful to the entire premise of Star Trek.
... Like an arrogant teenager refusing to take advice from those who clearly know better. A product of its time, for sure.
Looks like Star Fleet has turned into NATO!
Who let the Borg get a copy of Berserk to watch. Looking like Femto is NOT a good way to get a large gathering of people to trust you
Borgs have boogers
Would like to know how the Borg were effectively decimated. Hope it wasn't just from the actions of ST Voyager. Wouldn't make sense to me
why? voyager destroyed the transwarp hub, infected the collective with a neuroagent virus and destroyed unimatrix 001
@@runningoutoftime8177 Not to mention earlier they started an insurgency within the borg
@@runningoutoftime8177 one transwarp hub out of 6 in the galaxy. Used a Borg pathogen that only disconnected the Borg queen from the collective not the entire Borg collective from each drone. Please tell me how this was the Borg decimated
The Queen assimilated the neurolytic pathogen into the entire collective.
I wonder if Picard can still use locutus to stop the borg