I wonder how many times I said "HDMI Display Info" instead of "HDMI Info. Display"? 🤔😜 Also, here's the link to the previous HDMI video: ua-cam.com/video/D-3AHg6xciM/v-deo.html
you can only disable internal recording on the a7iii if you are NOT in manual exposure mode. both my dial 1 & 2 are manual exposure. So basically I can't shut off internal record?
@Ben Aqua Yoow guys i found the solution very simple.. Don't put your camera into video mode but put into M Mode and u will be able to see your info on your external monitor and also shoot)) in 4k 30p 100 so guys pls support me. By subscribing to my channel) im going to release very nice tutorials and also ill be showing how to use your phone as an external monitor so you'll not have to spend extra money buying a monitor( working for me in sony a6300)
You have absolutely no idea how helpful this video has been to me! The workaround of face detection on 4K is truly awesome! Thank you sooooooooooooo much
I have the same issue with A6400 connected to Ronin S with USB cable. When camera connects to stabilizer with the 4K, face detection instantly goes off. I haven't found any solution yet :/
This is quickly becoming one of my favourite channels! I'd really like some in-depth video about external monitors from you, because I don't usually find any of the technical info you usually give on other channels. Very nice video!
3.5 years later and this video is still class. My first time watching it and it explained and helped me understand what was going on with my Sony A7iii attached to my FeelWorld monitor. Thanks Gerald.
Great video! I understand that these tests have been made with Sony A7 III and that A7R III will be pretty much the same. The last BIONZ-X-generation A7R IV + A9 II + ZV1, however, will still go black on 4k30p/25p while sending HDMI to the monitor and internal recording, but they will show full image both on display and monitor for 4k24p, so that's a good workaround (in Europe, you will have to switch to NTSC mode to have 24p available). The same goes for the other limitation eye-/face-AF in 4k-video with internal recording and HDMI monitoring: with A7R IV + A9 II, 4k30p/25p makes eye-AF stop as with A7 III, but 4k24p will keep it working! Unfortunately, other obstacles like 120p, PC-remote, smartphone-control and proxy recording will still kill face/eye-AF even with 4k24p and internal recording. As a side note, BIONZ-XR-generation-models (A7S III and later) don't have that problem anymore because of their higher processor capacity.
Absolutely the Best Camera information channel on UA-cam. These issues were driving me nuts and you are the only person I've found that explains this in detail. Thanks so much 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you! I was pulling my hair out. Could not get my picture to display properly. Atomos should have a section in their manual that points to HDMI setup menus.
It is amassing 3 years after you posted this video it is still halpful. I have Sony. A7c while it was concerned and disply setting on the merging of the display was 3/4 of the screen. I have played with the settings and couldn't get it to be fully displayed. But when I turnd it of. It started display on all of the monitor. 👏👏👏
one thing to add- and this appears to be consistent on all sony 4K camera - tested a6400 and a7iii. When shooting 4K and using internal memory card recording if you have proxy recording enabled- the camera monitor will display the image and the details- but the external monitor will turn off totally. You have to disable proxy recording to get the results you were showing above where the external monitor shows the image and the camera screen just shows the details but no image. if you ever do a v2 version of this video- please add that- I almost ditched sony entirely b/c of this. first thing I do on cameras is turn on proxy recording as I have a weak computer- so I coudnt get 4K to work at all on my external monitor and I was super frustrated= then disabled proxy recording and boom- worked like the video you posted.
I just upgraded from a Sony A6000 to the A6600. I was really disturbed to find out that the menu is not displayed on the Atomos Shinobi when recording in 4k. I kind of assumed I was not understanding something. I'm glad it's not just me. Other than clarifying that, this video was really helpful in understanding how the HDMI Info Display feature works. I feel like I could never get the A6000 to display to both the external and camera monitors at the same time, and thus had turned on HDMI Info Display on that setup. But then it bugged me when I wanted a truly clean display. For most of my shooting it's optimum (IMO) to have the menu on the camera's display, and a clean external monitor, so I'm glad I could make that work with my A6600! I was going to be really disappointed otherwise. Thanks!
This video is awesome man. I couldn't figure out how to use face tracking in 4k on my a6400 while using an HDMI out and I couldn't find the answer anywhere. Thank you so much!
Very high quality work! What some people don't realize is that your extensive catalog of past work is equally immersive. I've gone through all of your past videos at least once and I find myself referring back to them often. If you're new here, do yourself a favor and spend some time looking through this channel...it is literally like stealing knowledge that we SHOULD be paying for.
@@geraldundone I also meant to tell you....the quality and workmanship of your catalog from inception till now has dramatically increased. The time that you put into these movies is apparent and NObody could say that you cut corners! I know we keep thanking each other a lot...but sincerely..Thank you. Even though you have totally different channels, I pedestal your channel the same way I do David Thorpe's. I think you are both FAR ahead of your time!
Gerald, excellent video as usual! I was hesitant on getting the Ninja V because it disables Face AF on my external monitor but never thought that it'd be possible to reactivate when recording externally, that's gold right there! Love it! Now I know what I'll be getting myself for Christmas! Proud to be part of the Undone fam! Cheers!
This helped me finally figure out why I got no signal to my monitor while in 4K. On the Sony a7iii I had to force the HDMI resolution to 1080p! Boom, solved.
it is hard to believe you just have 32k subscribers!!! I have seen almost all your recent video and I am stunned buy your never ending technical knowledge and above all your language property! You turn a boring topic in a unique experience. Keep going like that!
Thank you man, I cancelled my original atomos order because everywhere I read face detect wasn't possible with 4K. Seriously a good find on disabling internal recording. That is definitely not common knowledge
Damn this video is from 2018, and this is still not fixed :) and Sony rep was asking me on a recent event to shoot while connected to HDMI, I was like, “you sure bro?”
Hey man! This is one of the best videos about camera stuff. You've talked about the HDMI info display issue in 4K video mode on Sony cameras and explained that in detail like no one else did. I'm dealing with this issue every single day on my Sony A7 III and external monitor. For me, it's a major issue and I hate Sony for that although I love the A7 III. I constantly need to check both internal and external monitors for the correct exposure etc. When I'm in front of camera, I started using my intuition... I don't always have time to switch to 1080p mode to get my exposure right in run and gun situations. For some people, it may not be a big issue but once you try Panasonic GH5 (I have the GH5s rig too), you understand Sony's issue. By the way, you forgot to mention that there is a significant lag on an external monitor when you start changing camera modes (e.g. photo to video mode) on Sony cameras. There is no such lag on Panasonic which has like 100 better HDMI output.
Thanks, mate! I totally relate to everything you said obviously. From a general usability factor, it's hard moving away from Panasonic. They get so much right when it comes to the interface and options. Also, good point about the mode lag. I forgot all about that. Thanks for the comment and kind words. Cheers! 😃👍
Gerald great video with tons of info. Coming from a background of video streaming for over 15 years, I thoroughly respect you, subscribed to your channel and generally understand the amount of time a research that you put into the creation of this. Well done Sir!
Thanks for the helpful info Gerald - the second of your videos I've come across recently, subbed! Very annoying that I can't view images on the camera (A7rIII) and Ninja V at the same time and use internal recording but good to know it wasn't just me!
Hey, Gerald! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with the community. I recently discovered another thing about my Sony A7III with my external monitor. I was facing a problem when trying to hit Record (in 4k) using the monitor MA5 (feelword) in my camera... The external monitor screen went black but the camera showed Recording... I ended up in your video trying to find a solution for that with no success. Then diving into my menu system on camera I realized that my Proxy Recording was ENABLED. As soon as I switched it OFF everything worked just fine... I believe that recording on proxy on 4k mode (XAVCHD) demands more power and the camera can't handle that which is frustrating. Anyways, thanks for everything man!
Thank you for the great video! Own two Sony bodies and was thinking about buying an Atomos Ninja V, this video and the last video really helped! I've seen many UA-camr complain about the 4K Face-detect issue with Sony you are the first I've watched that had a solution, this reminded me of your past video on how to make Sony video recording focuses like a GH5.
Great video. I have the exact same setup. I recently rented two additional bodies to have a three camera shoot with the exact same set up.. I noticed overheating occurs about an hour into recording. What I neglected to do and will do next time is to slightly move the camera monitor away from the body to allow for a bit more venting or heating disbursement... Hopefully that gives me another 20 minutes or so. It's incredibly difficult to do a 2-hour interview with this setup... at any moment one of the cameras would shut off and it would be incredibly distracting so I definitely need another technical person in the room so I can conduct the interview without having to worry about the cameras.
I was recording 4K HDMI only to a ninja v capturing in pro-res. My only other option would be downgrading to a "camcorder" set up.. boooo... Or renting Cinema cameras for a ton of money just so I can use prime lenses.... Not great choices all around
@@juantorres2353 with the Ninja .. and all the flaps open.... And the monitor screen pulled from the camera body... I was able to do an hour and a half without overheating. So I think you'll be okay. I think the bulk of the load on the camera is when it needs to compress in real time and write to an internal SD card... But with the ninja it doesn't need to do that buy HDMI. I also have the hypothesis that the Sony a73 has the capability of 60fps at 4 k buy HDMI but not internal... Yet they have not created firmware to allow for that
@@doveshouse thanks for the help! I will take the advice. That's good 1.5 should should be sufficient I actually ran a test today and got the same results although today I had the Ninja Flame on the camera hotshoe which was a mistake because the heat from the ninja was blowing down on the camera which did not help so I'm going to mount it on the tripod away from the camera to run a second test tomorrow. My concern now is how many hour intervals can the camera take for instance how long of a break will the camera need to properly cool down which I'll run a test on this tomorrow since the event I'm filming is a full day 7 hours. I ll need to bring a backup camcorder just in case. Ttyl
Not sure if anyone mentioned it but there is a work around, you just have to hit the 'preview' button then hit the menu button. For some reason this opens up your photos on the monitor and then it displays the menu if you hit the menu button after that
Fascinating. Informative. I just ordered an external HDMI display for my a7iii as I am working solo and want to get my shot setup before the talent arrives and unlike my Canon EOS 850D, which has a fully reversible LCD display, the +200% pricier Sony a7iii does not. But I think I would have lost my mind if I didn't understand how come I had no video signal on the external display when recording 4K internally. Knowing I need to have the HDMI info OFF (and another forum suggests not having Proxy recording enabled either; which I've already disabled due to not needing it) feels like it saved me at least a couple of heartattacks. Not that I wouldn't have been able to get by filming with out it, except I just spent a bunch of money on the external monitor and thinking it was useless or due to some weird HDMI cable issue when it isn't would have given me even more gray hair. Using an external recorder makes a lot of sense with these photography cameras that also happen to be able to shoot video as well, and I wish I had have thought of that as I was looking into external displays. It seems like something that not only helps with potential cooling issues and software limiting single video files to 29 min. 59 sec. is also longer battery life. I think for now I may not need (for example, I'm using a fully manual cine lens where you wouldn't be using AF/face detection anyway). But, it could be nice not to lose display on the camera while also using an external display among other problems discussed in the video, and so knowing an external recorder can solve for these issues is amazing to know. Thanks for putting this together.
Hey, nice video. But isn't it easier to hit record button on Ninja V without fiddling around in the menus on a7III :) ? That way you still have full functionality with the camera and are able to see video also on camera, hit the focus etc. At least that's how i've been using.
I was in the process of looking to get an external display for my A7III and after watching this very informational video you made, I've come to the decision that I NEED an external recording/display instead to be able to still use the features of my camera. Thanks again for the GREAT content. 👊🏻😎
I am glad I watched this Gerald. My situation was that I was using a gimbal in the brightest sunny day - I had an external monitor hooked up with a sunshade and lots of brightness - so I was okay for focus and framing. But I couldn't even see the display on the camera at all - to make it worse the a6300 dims in 4k when you hit record. Even to see if the camera is in record mode was difficult. Sony, I have found takes a long time to react to obvious customer concerns- at least now i know why I couldn't turn on the info display. Thanks for that info.
WOW! I've been looking this tutorial for a week now, you're the man! Just had the liliput a7s with sony a7iii, such a perfect content! Super Thanks, all the best from your subscriber!
Hi Gerald, thanks for your findings and the quality of your videos. on this purpose you forgot to mention a BIG cons when you disabled the internal recording : you will no longer able to record in 60p!
The Canon EOS R has a really strange problem when recording with hdmi. It works flawlessly in 4K but as soon as you decide you want to record in 1080p, the camera defaults to 59.94p output. It will still be recording in 24 or 30p, but over hdmi it up converts it to 59.94p. The problem is you cannot change it to an interlace signal to them apply a pull down and get the correct frame rate. It is literally taking your 1080p 23.98 and adding extra frames which no editing software I am aware of can detect and remove. So if you make the mistake of recording in 1080p over hdmi you’ll have footage that is very very screwy to your computer. It won’t know which frames to get rid of because the footage was shot at 24p, then you converted to 60p and no way to apply a pull down because the camera only outputs progressive. I’ve talked to Atomos, Canon, Apple (final cut), and Blackmagic (Davinci resolve). Nobody has an answer for how to deal with footage shot this way
this was very helpful, thank you. Thanks to this video, I learned that if I disable internal recording for the 4k output it will force the 4k and I dont need 4k for my usecase so I turned it to 1080p instead and its working better for me. thanks again!
Thanks for this info! I use my camera to record talking-head videos. I need to see the audio levels and other display info when I am recording. If I use the Atimos Ninja with the Sony A7iii, can I see these things while recording?
This is an absolutely GREAT video that helps in most problems that you will face BUT noone had issues with BUZZING noise at the audio when connecting HDMI to an external monitor???? I use a lavalier mic to my Sony A7 III.
Yo Gerald how r u doing? Thanks you very much for sharing this info. I've got exact the same setting. sony a7 iii and the atomos v ninja. I recorded with the atomos 3 days ago for the first time and I recorded al the info from the camera mixed with my footage so my whole shoot was messed up. and now my problem is fixed . and I know so much more now. Thanks u for that bro!
It's so funny you made this video, I was just researching this!... I had an A7iii that I sold partly because of this. I had it hooked up to an Atomos recorder, and I'm almost positive Face Detect didn't work in 4k. Have you tested it to see if it indeed tracked your face when hooked up to the recorder?
It does work, yes, but only when you use 4K HDMI Output exclusively, i.e. disabling internal recording. And you won't see the box on the monitor, only on the camera's LCD. It's far from perfect, but it works.
Hey Gerald - I've been telling people on my channel (and so have dozens of others) that Sony blocks face detection (turns it off) when recording to an eternal monitor or if you use WIFI. This was quite interesting. Can you do a video like this one and stand in front of the camera and show the white box face detection box doing it's thing while you actually record in 4K on the A73 and use your second angle camera to record the screen doing it? It is a monumental feature to be turned off, it is monumental agenda for 100's of channels to be saying "no it can't be done" (me included lol) and then you are showing it indeed can be done! I am planning on moving to the Nikon from the A73 because of this very thing! Oh, and thanks for doing such a well done video, I will mention you on my channel :) Big thumbs up dude :)
Hi, Peter. Thanks for the kind words. I will definitely do that--make a clip showing the face detection working. I can probably have that up tomorrow afternoon. Just to be clear though, it only works when using an external recorder. It does not work during internal 4K recording. Cheers! 😃👍
Agreed, big eye opener. All the other videos on this topic say not possible and have to select zone autofocus. Thanks for another quality in-depth presentation.
siwap they are aware of those limitations....they voluntarely coded them inside the camera. Processing power limitation issues mostly would be my guess.
Have you tried turning off proxy recording on your Sony A7III, I just tried it and at least I can see everything on my external monitor (shin obi) when recording in 4K. It works, just found out about it a few minutes ago on another UA-cam video
Gerald, I can’t get the REC Control to work on my A7III with the Ninja V. I’m in 4K, Output SEL. set to HDMI ONLY 24p, Rec Control on in HDMI settings... when I hit record on the Sony it goes from (->)STBY to Rec(->)Rec all grey no recording on either Sony or Ninja. Can’t work it out for the life of me! Thanks
I would venture to guess the reason for not having both displays active at the same time is resolution. I would guess that the in camera display has a different resolution that of HDMI hence it has no choice but to render one resolution at a time because otherwise it would have to render image in two different resolutions. A simple fix, although compromising, would be to render one resolution then output scaled video data to a secondary monitor. The con here is that one or the other monitory would suffer from downgraded resolution which is a compromise not easily taken.
Thanks for all the in depth videos. I watched this one about 10 times to try and troubleshoot an issue that I am having. I mimic all the settings that you have in the video and my Ninja doesn't want to record when I hit the record button on the camera. It will record when I hit the button on the Ninja, but not the camera. Any Ideas...thx in advance.
Hi Gerald, Great video!! I used all your settings but found that one major thing did not work for me! PLEASE HELP. I would like to record using ONLY the ATOMOS Ninja V and 1T SSD to record externally and not internally. I did all the settings you showed on your video, but when I press the record button on the sony A7iii, it does not record automatically on the NINJA V like it does on your video. I tried everything, checked all the settings, and could only think to ask, do I need to have an SD card in the SLOT 1 of the Camera in order for the "4K output, REC Control, and TC output" to function? I'm so lost please help
@@benleong2008 did you ever get to solve this issue? I cannot record anything or understand why if I hot the record button on the camera the atomos doesn't sync and record automatically
Gerald, another highly informative video. You are able to say something in five minutes that others will ramble on and on for over thirty minutes! Thanks, Jay
I love your channel. Keep doing these tutorials, they are brilliant. But in the meantime, could you do a vlog on how you shoot and grade your episodes? I am curious about this magenta tint of yours (I mentioned it somewhere in the comments already). It's obviously becoming a brand =))) So, as a vlogger and your fan, I'm interested in the process of its creation. Cheers from Russia!
Sure, Paul! I think that sounds like a great idea. I've been thinking about doing that myself, so I'll put that near the top of the list. Is there anything specific you wanted to know about the colour? (the magenta tint)
@@geraldundoneNothing special, I generally understand how things work. But it would be interesting to many to have an explanation on your combination of lighting, white balance, picture profile, colour correction... The whole process. Maybe a story behind your choice of this particular setup or any personal secret techniques. It's always nice when creators share the experience.
Thanks a lot for unintentionally helping me! You mentioned that you can solve a lot of problems with deactivating internal recording. I have not been aware of this option and what it does (and still don't fully understand it). However: I have been trying for a long time now to capture 1080p 60 frames instead of 4k. But no matter what HDMI resolution I set, or what I specify in the software, it didnt work. And by now you already guessed why. Yeah...I had internal recording deactivated, probably because of some other guide. And deactivating internal recording FORCES hdmi to 4k, as long as the capture device is able to do 4k. So if I used a 1080p capture card I would have had no issues. But with a card which can both, deactivating internal recording always overwrites your HDMI settings and outputs as 4k. By enabling this now I have been able to solve this issue. So thanks for your unintentional help! ^^
This record monitor sounds good, but I prefer a 27" monitor attached through my PC if possible. Having a large monitor really makes focusing with manual vintage lenses easily. I generally record in my studio. I did this with my Canon. Do you have a video on doing that that I can look at? I have a Sony A7Rii.
Thanks for great video, Gerald. You are truly awesome. It is very hard to find the reviewer who addressing issues happens in the real production scenario. I appreciate your knowledge sharing for the filmmaker community. I am using a6500 and Moza Air 2 combination. Things get more complicated if you want a HDMI output with gimbal. Moza Air requires "PC Remote" usb connection mode to get camera control. (I think this is same to other manufactures' gimbal) With that mode a6500 doesn't produce HDMI output while recording. Both back LCD and external monitor black out except camera setting information on LCD. This is fatal flaw for gimbal user. I guess this may not happen if recording externally but couldn't find anybody tried on UA-cam. I appreciate if you could try this setting someday.
hey Gerald. Really great video. Your video helped me answers a lot of questions but only issue im facing is when setting the camera to 4k output sel, the footages on the atomos ninja v is jittery but the audio is clear
Great video. I just purchased the Feelworld FW568 to use with my Sony A7riii and was not able to display the camera information on the screen, while recording, this video helped me identify the settings to correct the issue. Thank you!
An older video I realize, but I just picked up a Sony ZV-E10 for model train tabletop shooting, perfect for that. I wanted to basically mirror my camera screen to a 21" HDMI monitor for framing and focus peaking as I work. I had seen this video months ago but thought the new Sony ZV-E10 could handle 100% mirroring. Nope. In 1080p, you can get camera info but not peaking, which surprised me. In 4K however, the HDMI performance is exactly as described here. Camera LCD goes black when you hit record and clean HDMI to the external monitor. I just recently was using a LG G6 phone as my 4K camera and having the mirroring option built in on Android was simple. Low res but useful for framing and peaking.I figured a "real" camera would be at least as easy with higher res results. Again, no. I'm glad I just spent the 4 hours I did trying to make it work on my Sony ZV-E10 only to come to the same conclusion as Gerald did here. At least I was able to track down this quirk on my own and then have it reinforced as being correct. Thanks Gerald!
This was really helpful during my research. I have the Sony A6100 but it keeps turning off intermittently when connected via HDMI to OBS and to zoom. I turned off the internal recording I hope it fixes it. Cheers mate.
Great video . I just spent all morning trying to capture the menu A7 iii . As you said though as soon as you send it out through HDMI the LCD menu goes black.....Frustrating!
Great video, GU. I like getting into the nitty gritty of tech. Another annoyance/gotcha I discovered recently is a delay in switching video formats/modes on the GH5 when it is connected to a Shogun Inferno. Normally, switching modes on a stand-alone GH5 happens almost instantaneously. When connected to the Inferno however, you have to wait a couple or seconds or so between each mode when making your way from one mode to the next. This can easily set you back 20-30 seconds if you need to change modes. Easy remedy: unplug the HDMI cable before you start switching modes on the GH5.
Gerald, first the video was super helpful and informative! Thanks for taking the time to put it together. So, are we just out of luck not being able to see all the shot info when recording in 4k? If you don't have someone around to help calibrate the shot with the A7iii, is the solution just not shoot in 4k? Thanks again.
@geraldundone two questions! A) what is this base of the camera for the tripod??? B) any best more budget friendly monitor to suggest? Not needing recording. Thank you in advanced
Hi Mr. Undone, I am one of your many fans that gain a great deal from your videos. I have watched this video several times, but cannot get my Sony a9 to start and stop recording on my Ninja V. I have followed all the setting you demonstrated, but when shooting in 4K the only way to start and stop external recording on the Ninja V is to use the Ninja V touch screen. Is this a quirk of the a9? Thanks for you many great videos
Great video as always. The only issue I have with my GH5 is that the USB-C output counts as one of the two video streams, even when I connect it to my Ronin-SC. That means that the internal LCD turns off when I use my GH5 connected to the Ronin-SC with my Ninja V.
Thanks for the tip! I didn't know about the face detection work around until I came across your video. What I'd like to do is switch between shooting modes with the custom memory settings. You can switch between presets with the wheel at the top of the camera. However, I've noticed when you set the camera to "4k output select: hdmi only" you can't use the preset modes to go to 1080 60 fps. When an hdmi cable is plugged in the camera will automatically go back to 4k 24p no matter what the custom wheel is set to.
@@geraldundone Of course. It doesn't work as it should when you are recording 4k only to an external monitor, but if you're shooting 1080 it works as it should.
Hello Gerald, I find your contents really helpful! Looking at this video but I’m not sure what I am doing wrong, hope you can shed some light. I am using a Sony a7c with the Atomos Shinobi for monitoring. I am losing the camera display as soon as I press the record button. What am I doing wrong? 😅 Thanks in advance!
Hi Gerald, I need quick tip, Sony A7iii via hdmi to Freeworld F6. Is it possible to have full screen image displayed on external monitor while recording in 1080p codec? 4K shows in full screen on my ext monitor but once I switch to 1080 it doesn’t fill up whole screen of external monitor. Is it Sony’s thing or am I missing something?
So it turns out that the A7 IV has some weird quirks, too and this video came up when I did a search. For instance, that screen turing off issue persists (I know you mentioned it in your A7 IV review), but one that surprised me is that HDMI Info display now works as expected in 4k - but in video mode only. If you're in photo mode, you have to be outputting 1080p it seems. Is this something you noticed in your testing, too?
So in a nutshell, external monitor + Recorder is required. Looks like I just blew a bunch of money on a useless monitor. Thank you for the video, not what I wanted to hear but still informative.
Thank you so much for this Gerald. It solves my problem with my new external monitor. Its actually my first time to purchase an external monitor and I was struggling how to record the file to the sd card while being able to see the feed on the external monitor. Yes, i do experience all the problems you mentioned in this video, I'm using Sony A7III. Again, thank you for this helpful content!
Love your videos Gerald! Do you think you could just do a simple video on how to use the atomos ninja v with the Sony a7iii? how to use external recording modes vs internal recording modes. How to chose different Apple ProRes codecs, frame rates, and resolutions. I’m looking into this product and would love to see a tutorial video on setting up “atomos ninja v with sony a7iii” Thank you for all the content you provide along with great information!! :) If doing such a video is to much I totally understand, just thought I’d ask since you explain things so well with good detail👌
I have that same tripod head. It makes a loud pop sound when I tilt the head down (I don't know, maybe 30 degrees or so). Does yours do that? just curious...
Hey Gerald, thank you for sharing. Love your vids. I have a question that I'm hoping you can help me with. Trying to use my Sony A7iii through Black Magic Intensity Shuttle (tried the Ultra Mini Recorder first but still no joy) to stream. I can't seem to get an image through to Balckmagic Media Express. Ecamm can see the Intensity Shuttle but the feed is blank. I've taken the SD cards out but still nothing. I think that my settings in the A7iii are the problem. Any help you can share will be greatly appreciated.
I wonder how many times I said "HDMI Display Info" instead of "HDMI Info. Display"? 🤔😜
Also, here's the link to the previous HDMI video: ua-cam.com/video/D-3AHg6xciM/v-deo.html
All I can say is that it made for a good drinking game.
Gerald Undone how can I set up slow motion in the ninja v
Where any of these issues fixed with the latest update?
you can only disable internal recording on the a7iii if you are NOT in manual exposure mode. both my dial 1 & 2 are manual exposure. So basically I can't shut off internal record?
@Ben Aqua Yoow guys i found the solution very simple.. Don't put your camera into video mode but put into M Mode and u will be able to see your info on your external monitor and also shoot)) in 4k 30p 100 so guys pls support me. By subscribing to my channel) im going to release very nice tutorials and also ill be showing how to use your phone as an external monitor so you'll not have to spend extra money buying a monitor( working for me in sony a6300)
You have absolutely no idea how helpful this video has been to me! The workaround of face detection on 4K is truly awesome! Thank you sooooooooooooo much
i’ll second this comment
Me too
I have the same issue with A6400 connected to Ronin S with USB cable. When camera connects to stabilizer with the 4K, face detection instantly goes off. I haven't found any solution yet :/
Man this isn’t anywhere! Thanks!
Iam a big fan of urs sir
This is quickly becoming one of my favourite channels! I'd really like some in-depth video about external monitors from you, because I don't usually find any of the technical info you usually give on other channels. Very nice video!
3.5 years later and this video is still class. My first time watching it and it explained and helped me understand what was going on with my Sony A7iii attached to my FeelWorld monitor.
Thanks Gerald.
Same here friend!
Great video!
I understand that these tests have been made with Sony A7 III and that A7R III will be pretty much the same. The last BIONZ-X-generation A7R IV + A9 II + ZV1, however, will still go black on 4k30p/25p while sending HDMI to the monitor and internal recording, but they will show full image both on display and monitor for 4k24p, so that's a good workaround (in Europe, you will have to switch to NTSC mode to have 24p available).
The same goes for the other limitation eye-/face-AF in 4k-video with internal recording and HDMI monitoring: with A7R IV + A9 II, 4k30p/25p makes eye-AF stop as with A7 III, but 4k24p will keep it working! Unfortunately, other obstacles like 120p, PC-remote, smartphone-control and proxy recording will still kill face/eye-AF even with 4k24p and internal recording.
As a side note, BIONZ-XR-generation-models (A7S III and later) don't have that problem anymore because of their higher processor capacity.
Absolutely the Best Camera information channel on UA-cam. These issues were driving me nuts and you are the only person I've found that explains this in detail. Thanks so much
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Thank you! I was pulling my hair out. Could not get my picture to display properly. Atomos should have a section in their manual that points to HDMI setup menus.
It is amassing 3 years after you posted this video it is still halpful.
I have Sony. A7c while it was concerned and disply setting on the merging of the display was 3/4 of the screen. I have played with the settings and couldn't get it to be fully displayed.
But when I turnd it of.
It started display on all of the monitor.
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This video provides an innumerable amount of knowledge aimed to wake up the confidence of the videographer on his/her equipment! Well done!!!
one thing to add- and this appears to be consistent on all sony 4K camera - tested a6400 and a7iii. When shooting 4K and using internal memory card recording if you have proxy recording enabled- the camera monitor will display the image and the details- but the external monitor will turn off totally. You have to disable proxy recording to get the results you were showing above where the external monitor shows the image and the camera screen just shows the details but no image. if you ever do a v2 version of this video- please add that- I almost ditched sony entirely b/c of this. first thing I do on cameras is turn on proxy recording as I have a weak computer- so I coudnt get 4K to work at all on my external monitor and I was super frustrated= then disabled proxy recording and boom- worked like the video you posted.
I just upgraded from a Sony A6000 to the A6600. I was really disturbed to find out that the menu is not displayed on the Atomos Shinobi when recording in 4k. I kind of assumed I was not understanding something. I'm glad it's not just me.
Other than clarifying that, this video was really helpful in understanding how the HDMI Info Display feature works. I feel like I could never get the A6000 to display to both the external and camera monitors at the same time, and thus had turned on HDMI Info Display on that setup. But then it bugged me when I wanted a truly clean display. For most of my shooting it's optimum (IMO) to have the menu on the camera's display, and a clean external monitor, so I'm glad I could make that work with my A6600! I was going to be really disappointed otherwise.
Thanks!
This video is awesome man. I couldn't figure out how to use face tracking in 4k on my a6400 while using an HDMI out and I couldn't find the answer anywhere. Thank you so much!
Very high quality work! What some people don't realize is that your extensive catalog of past work is equally immersive. I've gone through all of your past videos at least once and I find myself referring back to them often. If you're new here, do yourself a favor and spend some time looking through this channel...it is literally like stealing knowledge that we SHOULD be paying for.
Very flattered. Made my day! 💪🤓😃
@@geraldundone I also meant to tell you....the quality and workmanship of your catalog from inception till now has dramatically increased. The time that you put into these movies is apparent and NObody could say that you cut corners! I know we keep thanking each other a lot...but sincerely..Thank you. Even though you have totally different channels, I pedestal your channel the same way I do David Thorpe's. I think you are both FAR ahead of your time!
Gerald, excellent video as usual! I was hesitant on getting the Ninja V because it disables Face AF on my external monitor but never thought that it'd be possible to reactivate when recording externally, that's gold right there! Love it! Now I know what I'll be getting myself for Christmas! Proud to be part of the Undone fam! Cheers!
This helped me finally figure out why I got no signal to my monitor while in 4K. On the Sony a7iii I had to force the HDMI resolution to 1080p! Boom, solved.
You still can't see the focus brackets on the external monitor though, correct?
Thanks for this, saved me several hours of scouring the internet on how to understand all of the hdmi options/limitations
Awesome! Glad to hear it. Cheers.
THE HDMI PLUGGED IN DISPLAY INFO OFF LCD SCREEN OFF BUG THING HAS HELPED ME VERY MUCH THANK YOU!
i was searching this video for really long time and suddenly i stumble upon this video. Great info and it solved my problem. Thanks a lot
it is hard to believe you just have 32k subscribers!!! I have seen almost all your recent video and I am stunned buy your never ending technical knowledge and above all your language property! You turn a boring topic in a unique experience. Keep going like that!
Don't know how many times you have saved me with knowledge i cannot find anywhere else.
Thank you man, I cancelled my original atomos order because everywhere I read face detect wasn't possible with 4K. Seriously a good find on disabling internal recording. That is definitely not common knowledge
I fixed my problem early on but kept watching because of how impressively in depth this video was
Damn this video is from 2018, and this is still not fixed :) and Sony rep was asking me on a recent event to shoot while connected to HDMI, I was like, “you sure bro?”
lol
Hey man! This is one of the best videos about camera stuff. You've talked about the HDMI info display issue in 4K video mode on Sony cameras and explained that in detail like no one else did. I'm dealing with this issue every single day on my Sony A7 III and external monitor. For me, it's a major issue and I hate Sony for that although I love the A7 III. I constantly need to check both internal and external monitors for the correct exposure etc. When I'm in front of camera, I started using my intuition... I don't always have time to switch to 1080p mode to get my exposure right in run and gun situations. For some people, it may not be a big issue but once you try Panasonic GH5 (I have the GH5s rig too), you understand Sony's issue. By the way, you forgot to mention that there is a significant lag on an external monitor when you start changing camera modes (e.g. photo to video mode) on Sony cameras. There is no such lag on Panasonic which has like 100 better HDMI output.
Thanks, mate! I totally relate to everything you said obviously. From a general usability factor, it's hard moving away from Panasonic. They get so much right when it comes to the interface and options.
Also, good point about the mode lag. I forgot all about that.
Thanks for the comment and kind words. Cheers! 😃👍
Gerald great video with tons of info. Coming from a background of video streaming for over 15 years, I thoroughly respect you, subscribed to your channel and generally understand the amount of time a research that you put into the creation of this. Well done Sir!
Thank you very much, Jonathan! That's very kind and encouraging. Appreciate it. 😃🙏
Very thorough.. my must have taken a while to discover all the quirks, especially when covering all the brand's. Thanks again.
As a Sony A7C owner with the Atomos Ninja V, you helped clear up a lot for me. Thanks so much!
Thanks for the helpful info Gerald - the second of your videos I've come across recently, subbed! Very annoying that I can't view images on the camera (A7rIII) and Ninja V at the same time and use internal recording but good to know it wasn't just me!
Hey, Gerald! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with the community.
I recently discovered another thing about my Sony A7III with my external monitor.
I was facing a problem when trying to hit Record (in 4k) using the monitor MA5 (feelword) in my camera... The external monitor screen went black but the camera showed Recording...
I ended up in your video trying to find a solution for that with no success.
Then diving into my menu system on camera I realized that my Proxy Recording was ENABLED. As soon as I switched it OFF everything worked just fine... I believe that recording on proxy on 4k mode (XAVCHD) demands more power and the camera can't handle that which is frustrating.
Anyways, thanks for everything man!
Yeah, it's true that proxy recording causes problems as well. So does using the phone app. Good point!
This is a real issue , thanks for making the video because I thought there would be more options with this camera
wow! thank you SO much!! Been trying to figure this out for ages and so glad I found your channel - you explain it so clearly but so comprehensively.
This was very helpful I thought I had to get a new HDMI cable but it was just the settings
Thank you for the great video! Own two Sony bodies and was thinking about buying an Atomos Ninja V, this video and the last video really helped! I've seen many UA-camr complain about the 4K Face-detect issue with Sony you are the first I've watched that had a solution, this reminded me of your past video on how to make Sony video recording focuses like a GH5.
Thanks, Peter! I'm glad it helped. Cheers, mate! 😃👍
Great video. Thanks for this. So well spoken man. Your video is 16 minutes long and it probably took you 17 minutes to record it. lol. Props!!!!
Great video. I have the exact same setup. I recently rented two additional bodies to have a three camera shoot with the exact same set up.. I noticed overheating occurs about an hour into recording. What I neglected to do and will do next time is to slightly move the camera monitor away from the body to allow for a bit more venting or heating disbursement... Hopefully that gives me another 20 minutes or so. It's incredibly difficult to do a 2-hour interview with this setup... at any moment one of the cameras would shut off and it would be incredibly distracting so I definitely need another technical person in the room so I can conduct the interview without having to worry about the cameras.
I was recording 4K HDMI only to a ninja v capturing in pro-res. My only other option would be downgrading to a "camcorder" set up.. boooo... Or renting Cinema cameras for a ton of money just so I can use prime lenses.... Not great choices all around
Dam I have an event coming up so now I'm worried about overheating. Might film 1080p dam
@@juantorres2353 with the Ninja .. and all the flaps open.... And the monitor screen pulled from the camera body... I was able to do an hour and a half without overheating. So I think you'll be okay. I think the bulk of the load on the camera is when it needs to compress in real time and write to an internal SD card... But with the ninja it doesn't need to do that buy HDMI. I also have the hypothesis that the Sony a73 has the capability of 60fps at 4 k buy HDMI but not internal... Yet they have not created firmware to allow for that
@@doveshouse thanks for the help! I will take the advice. That's good 1.5 should should be sufficient I actually ran a test today and got the same results although today I had the Ninja Flame on the camera hotshoe which was a mistake because the heat from the ninja was blowing down on the camera which did not help so I'm going to mount it on the tripod away from the camera to run a second test tomorrow. My concern now is how many hour intervals can the camera take for instance how long of a break will the camera need to properly cool down which I'll run a test on this tomorrow since the event I'm filming is a full day 7 hours. I ll need to bring a backup camcorder just in case. Ttyl
Not sure if anyone mentioned it but there is a work around, you just have to hit the 'preview' button then hit the menu button. For some reason this opens up your photos on the monitor and then it displays the menu if you hit the menu button after that
Thanks
Fascinating. Informative. I just ordered an external HDMI display for my a7iii as I am working solo and want to get my shot setup before the talent arrives and unlike my Canon EOS 850D, which has a fully reversible LCD display, the +200% pricier Sony a7iii does not.
But I think I would have lost my mind if I didn't understand how come I had no video signal on the external display when recording 4K internally.
Knowing I need to have the HDMI info OFF (and another forum suggests not having Proxy recording enabled either; which I've already disabled due to not needing it) feels like it saved me at least a couple of heartattacks.
Not that I wouldn't have been able to get by filming with out it, except I just spent a bunch of money on the external monitor and thinking it was useless or due to some weird HDMI cable issue when it isn't would have given me even more gray hair.
Using an external recorder makes a lot of sense with these photography cameras that also happen to be able to shoot video as well, and I wish I had have thought of that as I was looking into external displays. It seems like something that not only helps with potential cooling issues and software limiting single video files to 29 min. 59 sec. is also longer battery life. I think for now I may not need (for example, I'm using a fully manual cine lens where you wouldn't be using AF/face detection anyway). But, it could be nice not to lose display on the camera while also using an external display among other problems discussed in the video, and so knowing an external recorder can solve for these issues is amazing to know.
Thanks for putting this together.
Hey, nice video. But isn't it easier to hit record button on Ninja V without fiddling around in the menus on a7III :) ? That way you still have full functionality with the camera and are able to see video also on camera, hit the focus etc. At least that's how i've been using.
I was in the process of looking to get an external display for my A7III and after watching this very informational video you made, I've come to the decision that I NEED an external recording/display instead to be able to still use the features of my camera. Thanks again for the GREAT content. 👊🏻😎
Haha. I know, right?! It's frustrating. Thanks for the kind words.
Really appreciate this video man! you were the only one who explained everything so detailed!
This is probably one of the most thorough videos I've seen. Extremely helpful and easy to understand. Thanks.
Legend, this helped me a lot. I couldn't get my hdmi info away to provide clean hdmi feed to my Atem mini pro iso. Now I can!!! Thank you.
I am glad I watched this Gerald. My situation was that I was using a gimbal in the brightest sunny day - I had an external monitor hooked up with a sunshade and lots of brightness - so I was okay for focus and framing. But I couldn't even see the display on the camera at all - to make it worse the a6300 dims in 4k when you hit record. Even to see if the camera is in record mode was difficult. Sony, I have found takes a long time to react to obvious customer concerns- at least now i know why I couldn't turn on the info display. Thanks for that info.
Thanks a million. Your tip with turning HDMI display out off to get rid of black monitor saved me! Keep going.
This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks Gerald. Up until now I had to rely on manual focus, because I didn't know that trick.
WOW! I've been looking this tutorial for a week now, you're the man!
Just had the liliput a7s with sony a7iii, such a perfect content!
Super Thanks, all the best from your subscriber!
DANG!!!! Thanks for the help!! Went crazy thinking I messed up my settings ... Looks like I need a recorder monitor 😵
THANK YOU! I need to send you money! I couldn’t for the life of me figure out how to get the camera and external monitor to work simultaneously...
Awesome as usual. As many have said your channel is so underrated. You deserve 1 million subscribers!
Hi Gerald, thanks for your findings and the quality of your videos. on this purpose you forgot to mention a BIG cons when you disabled the internal recording : you will no longer able to record in 60p!
The Canon EOS R has a really strange problem when recording with hdmi. It works flawlessly in 4K but as soon as you decide you want to record in 1080p, the camera defaults to 59.94p output. It will still be recording in 24 or 30p, but over hdmi it up converts it to 59.94p. The problem is you cannot change it to an interlace signal to them apply a pull down and get the correct frame rate. It is literally taking your 1080p 23.98 and adding extra frames which no editing software I am aware of can detect and remove. So if you make the mistake of recording in 1080p over hdmi you’ll have footage that is very very screwy to your computer. It won’t know which frames to get rid of because the footage was shot at 24p, then you converted to 60p and no way to apply a pull down because the camera only outputs progressive. I’ve talked to Atomos, Canon, Apple (final cut), and Blackmagic (Davinci resolve). Nobody has an answer for how to deal with footage shot this way
You're not able to get 4k/30 over hdmi displayed onto the atomos are you? I can't get it for the life of me. What would I be doing wrong.
this was very helpful, thank you. Thanks to this video, I learned that if I disable internal recording for the 4k output it will force the 4k and I dont need 4k for my usecase so I turned it to 1080p instead and its working better for me. thanks again!
Thanks for this info! I use my camera to record talking-head videos. I need to see the audio levels and other display info when I am recording. If I use the Atimos Ninja with the Sony A7iii, can I see these things while recording?
This is an absolutely GREAT video that helps in most problems that you will face BUT noone had issues with BUZZING noise at the audio when connecting HDMI to an external monitor???? I use a lavalier mic to my Sony A7 III.
Yo Gerald how r u doing?
Thanks you very much for sharing this info.
I've got exact the same setting.
sony a7 iii
and the atomos v ninja.
I recorded with the atomos 3 days ago for the first time
and I recorded al the info from the camera mixed with my footage
so my whole shoot was messed up.
and now my problem is fixed . and I know so much more now.
Thanks u for that bro!
Happy to hear that I helped. Appreciate the comment. Cheers!
@@geraldundone Cheers !
Thank you for providing this much detaild information on every technical aspect need 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻👌👌❤️
It's so funny you made this video, I was just researching this!... I had an A7iii that I sold partly because of this. I had it hooked up to an Atomos recorder, and I'm almost positive Face Detect didn't work in 4k. Have you tested it to see if it indeed tracked your face when hooked up to the recorder?
It does work, yes, but only when you use 4K HDMI Output exclusively, i.e. disabling internal recording. And you won't see the box on the monitor, only on the camera's LCD. It's far from perfect, but it works.
@@geraldundone Oh my goodness, I should of kept the camera! You're doing God's work here :-)
@@petercerrato8447 The Devil's work is undone.
Hey Gerald - I've been telling people on my channel (and so have dozens of others) that Sony blocks face detection (turns it off) when recording to an eternal monitor or if you use WIFI. This was quite interesting. Can you do a video like this one and stand in front of the camera and show the white box face detection box doing it's thing while you actually record in 4K on the A73 and use your second angle camera to record the screen doing it?
It is a monumental feature to be turned off, it is monumental agenda for 100's of channels to be saying "no it can't be done" (me included lol) and then you are showing it indeed can be done! I am planning on moving to the Nikon from the A73 because of this very thing! Oh, and thanks for doing such a well done video, I will mention you on my channel :) Big thumbs up dude :)
Hi, Peter. Thanks for the kind words.
I will definitely do that--make a clip showing the face detection working. I can probably have that up tomorrow afternoon.
Just to be clear though, it only works when using an external recorder. It does not work during internal 4K recording.
Cheers! 😃👍
All of that works at 1080p tho .. kinda weird
what about 4K 60mpbs?
Gerald Undone that would be awesome!
Both of you guys are awesome
Agreed, big eye opener. All the other videos on this topic say not possible and have to select zone autofocus. Thanks for another quality in-depth presentation.
Somebody get this video to Sony so they can address these exact concerns!
siwap they are aware of those limitations....they voluntarely coded them inside the camera. Processing power limitation issues mostly would be my guess.
@@slpianoproject It's really funny though, given how easy it is to make powerful processors these days.
Have you tried turning off proxy recording on your Sony A7III, I just tried it and at least I can see everything on my external monitor (shin obi) when recording in 4K. It works, just found out about it a few minutes ago on another UA-cam video
Gerald, I can’t get the REC Control to work on my A7III with the Ninja V. I’m in 4K, Output SEL. set to HDMI ONLY 24p, Rec Control on in HDMI settings... when I hit record on the Sony it goes from (->)STBY to Rec(->)Rec all grey no recording on either Sony or Ninja. Can’t work it out for the life of me! Thanks
Haha damn I just found it accidentally!! On the Ninja under Input Settings - TRIGGER needs to be set to HDMI! Woohoo
Ha. I'm glad you figured it out. 😜👍
I would venture to guess the reason for not having both displays active at the same time is resolution. I would guess that the in camera display has a different resolution that of HDMI hence it has no choice but to render one resolution at a time because otherwise it would have to render image in two different resolutions. A simple fix, although compromising, would be to render one resolution then output scaled video data to a secondary monitor. The con here is that one or the other monitory would suffer from downgraded resolution which is a compromise not easily taken.
Thanks for all the in depth videos. I watched this one about 10 times to try and troubleshoot an issue that I am having. I mimic all the settings that you have in the video and my Ninja doesn't want to record when I hit the record button on the camera. It will record when I hit the button on the Ninja, but not the camera. Any Ideas...thx in advance.
Same here! REC control didn't work with my A6400. Did you find out the solution?
Hi Gerald, Great video!! I used all your settings but found that one major thing did not work for me! PLEASE HELP. I would like to record using ONLY the ATOMOS Ninja V and 1T SSD to record externally and not internally. I did all the settings you showed on your video, but when I press the record button on the sony A7iii, it does not record automatically on the NINJA V like it does on your video. I tried everything, checked all the settings, and could only think to ask, do I need to have an SD card in the SLOT 1 of the Camera in order for the "4K output, REC Control, and TC output" to function? I'm so lost please help
@@benleong2008 did you ever get to solve this issue? I cannot record anything or understand why if I hot the record button on the camera the atomos doesn't sync and record automatically
Gerald, another highly informative video. You are able to say something in five minutes that others will ramble on and on for over thirty minutes! Thanks, Jay
AWESOME.
Being a rationalist, I truly appreciate the concise info.
Keep up the great work!
I love your channel. Keep doing these tutorials, they are brilliant. But in the meantime, could you do a vlog on how you shoot and grade your episodes? I am curious about this magenta tint of yours (I mentioned it somewhere in the comments already). It's obviously becoming a brand =))) So, as a vlogger and your fan, I'm interested in the process of its creation. Cheers from Russia!
Sure, Paul! I think that sounds like a great idea.
I've been thinking about doing that myself, so I'll put that near the top of the list.
Is there anything specific you wanted to know about the colour? (the magenta tint)
@@geraldundoneNothing special, I generally understand how things work. But it would be interesting to many to have an explanation on your combination of lighting, white balance, picture profile, colour correction... The whole process. Maybe a story behind your choice of this particular setup or any personal secret techniques. It's always nice when creators share the experience.
Second that!
Thanks a lot for unintentionally helping me!
You mentioned that you can solve a lot of problems with deactivating internal recording. I have not been aware of this option and what it does (and still don't fully understand it). However: I have been trying for a long time now to capture 1080p 60 frames instead of 4k. But no matter what HDMI resolution I set, or what I specify in the software, it didnt work. And by now you already guessed why. Yeah...I had internal recording deactivated, probably because of some other guide. And deactivating internal recording FORCES hdmi to 4k, as long as the capture device is able to do 4k. So if I used a 1080p capture card I would have had no issues. But with a card which can both, deactivating internal recording always overwrites your HDMI settings and outputs as 4k. By enabling this now I have been able to solve this issue.
So thanks for your unintentional help! ^^
Extremely informative and helpful this HDMI tutorial.
Thanks for sharing these tips! It's 2020 and we still have these issues..
This record monitor sounds good, but I prefer a 27" monitor attached through my PC if possible. Having a large monitor really makes focusing with manual vintage lenses easily. I generally record in my studio. I did this with my Canon. Do you have a video on doing that that I can look at? I have a Sony A7Rii.
Thanks for great video, Gerald. You are truly awesome. It is very hard to find the reviewer who addressing issues happens in the real production scenario. I appreciate your knowledge sharing for the filmmaker community.
I am using a6500 and Moza Air 2 combination. Things get more complicated if you want a HDMI output with gimbal. Moza Air requires "PC Remote" usb connection mode to get camera control. (I think this is same to other manufactures' gimbal) With that mode a6500 doesn't produce HDMI output while recording. Both back LCD and external monitor black out except camera setting information on LCD. This is fatal flaw for gimbal user. I guess this may not happen if recording externally but couldn't find anybody tried on UA-cam. I appreciate if you could try this setting someday.
Thanks so much! Really appreciate it.
That's a peculiar quirk. I'll definitely look into that. Cheers!
hey Gerald. Really great video. Your video helped me answers a lot of questions but only issue im facing is when setting the camera to 4k output sel, the footages on the atomos ninja v is jittery but the audio is clear
Great video. I just purchased the Feelworld FW568 to use with my Sony A7riii and was not able to display the camera information on the screen, while recording, this video helped me identify the settings to correct the issue. Thank you!
An older video I realize, but I just picked up a Sony ZV-E10 for model train tabletop shooting, perfect for that. I wanted to basically mirror my camera screen to a 21" HDMI monitor for framing and focus peaking as I work. I had seen this video months ago but thought the new Sony ZV-E10 could handle 100% mirroring. Nope. In 1080p, you can get camera info but not peaking, which surprised me. In 4K however, the HDMI performance is exactly as described here. Camera LCD goes black when you hit record and clean HDMI to the external monitor.
I just recently was using a LG G6 phone as my 4K camera and having the mirroring option built in on Android was simple. Low res but useful for framing and peaking.I figured a "real" camera would be at least as easy with higher res results. Again, no.
I'm glad I just spent the 4 hours I did trying to make it work on my Sony ZV-E10 only to come to the same conclusion as Gerald did here. At least I was able to track down this quirk on my own and then have it reinforced as being correct. Thanks Gerald!
This was really helpful during my research. I have the Sony A6100 but it keeps turning off intermittently when connected via HDMI to OBS and to zoom. I turned off the internal recording I hope it fixes it. Cheers mate.
Extremely informative! Always learning from you! Many, many thanks!!
Thanks! Your video led me to the settings I needed. My stream looks significantly better because of it :)
Great video . I just spent all morning trying to capture the menu A7 iii . As you said though as soon as you send it out through HDMI the LCD menu goes black.....Frustrating!
Great video, GU. I like getting into the nitty gritty of tech.
Another annoyance/gotcha I discovered recently is a delay in switching video formats/modes on the GH5 when it is connected to a Shogun Inferno. Normally, switching modes on a stand-alone GH5 happens almost instantaneously. When connected to the Inferno however, you have to wait a couple or seconds or so between each mode when making your way from one mode to the next. This can easily set you back 20-30 seconds if you need to change modes. Easy remedy: unplug the HDMI cable before you start switching modes on the GH5.
That's an interesting one. Thanks for sharing & thanks for the kind words.
Cheers! 😃👍
Gerald, first the video was super helpful and informative! Thanks for taking the time to put it together. So, are we just out of luck not being able to see all the shot info when recording in 4k? If you don't have someone around to help calibrate the shot with the A7iii, is the solution just not shoot in 4k? Thanks again.
@geraldundone two questions! A) what is this base of the camera for the tripod??? B) any best more budget friendly monitor to suggest? Not needing recording.
Thank you in advanced
You saved my ass with the camera’s (FX30) LCD screen going black when plugged into the Shinobi 👌🏼
Hi Mr. Undone,
I am one of your many fans that gain a great deal from your videos. I have watched this video several times, but cannot get my Sony a9 to start and stop recording on my Ninja V. I have followed all the setting you demonstrated, but when shooting in 4K the only way to start and stop external recording on the Ninja V is to use the Ninja V touch screen. Is this a quirk of the a9? Thanks for you many great videos
Great video as always. The only issue I have with my GH5 is that the USB-C output counts as one of the two video streams, even when I connect it to my Ronin-SC. That means that the internal LCD turns off when I use my GH5 connected to the Ronin-SC with my Ninja V.
Great work Gerald, thanks for caring & sharing.
Hughie
Thanks for the tip! I didn't know about the face detection work around until I came across your video.
What I'd like to do is switch between shooting modes with the custom memory settings. You can switch between presets with the wheel at the top of the camera. However, I've noticed when you set the camera to "4k output select: hdmi only" you can't use the preset modes to go to 1080 60 fps. When an hdmi cable is plugged in the camera will automatically go back to 4k 24p no matter what the custom wheel is set to.
Thanks for sharing your technique. Cheers!
@@geraldundone Of course. It doesn't work as it should when you are recording 4k only to an external monitor, but if you're shooting 1080 it works as it should.
Hello Gerald, I find your contents really helpful!
Looking at this video but I’m not sure what I am doing wrong, hope you can shed some light.
I am using a Sony a7c with the Atomos Shinobi for monitoring. I am losing the camera display as soon as I press the record button. What am I doing wrong? 😅
Thanks in advance!
@GeraldUndone - this is still relevant 4 years later :) RE: Sony HDMI Info Display
Hi Gerald, I need quick tip, Sony A7iii via hdmi to Freeworld F6.
Is it possible to have full screen image displayed on external monitor while recording in 1080p codec?
4K shows in full screen on my ext monitor but once I switch to 1080 it doesn’t fill up whole screen of external monitor.
Is it Sony’s thing or am I missing something?
Please let me know if you ever find a solution to this!!!
In camera Hdmi Info Display off, so you have the full screen
You saved me in 2021. Thanks :)
So it turns out that the A7 IV has some weird quirks, too and this video came up when I did a search. For instance, that screen turing off issue persists (I know you mentioned it in your A7 IV review), but one that surprised me is that HDMI Info display now works as expected in 4k - but in video mode only. If you're in photo mode, you have to be outputting 1080p it seems. Is this something you noticed in your testing, too?
So in a nutshell, external monitor + Recorder is required. Looks like I just blew a bunch of money on a useless monitor. Thank you for the video, not what I wanted to hear but still informative.
The trigger record setup was very helpful for the RX100 here. Thanks fam!
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Thank you so much for this Gerald. It solves my problem with my new external monitor. Its actually my first time to purchase an external monitor and I was struggling how to record the file to the sd card while being able to see the feed on the external monitor. Yes, i do experience all the problems you mentioned in this video, I'm using Sony A7III. Again, thank you for this helpful content!
Glad it was helpful, John! Thanks for the comment.
Love your videos Gerald!
Do you think you could just do a simple video on how to use the atomos ninja v with the Sony a7iii? how to use external recording modes vs internal recording modes. How to chose different Apple ProRes codecs, frame rates, and resolutions. I’m looking into this product and would love to see a tutorial video on setting up “atomos ninja v with sony a7iii”
Thank you for all the content you provide along with great information!! :)
If doing such a video is to much I totally understand, just thought I’d ask since you explain things so well with good detail👌
I have that same tripod head. It makes a loud pop sound when I tilt the head down (I don't know, maybe 30 degrees or so). Does yours do that? just curious...
Hey Gerald, thank you for sharing. Love your vids. I have a question that I'm hoping you can help me with. Trying to use my Sony A7iii through Black Magic Intensity Shuttle (tried the Ultra Mini Recorder first but still no joy) to stream. I can't seem to get an image through to Balckmagic Media Express. Ecamm can see the Intensity Shuttle but the feed is blank. I've taken the SD cards out but still nothing. I think that my settings in the A7iii are the problem. Any help you can share will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you Gerald, question 4 you, if I disable internal recording do I need to switch my rhode vid micro to the ninja v to capture audio?
You are a GENIUS, thank you for solving my problem
thanks! still very relevant in 2020! this has helped me sort out some of the questions I had for trying to setup my A7iii.