The Conservatives 'have become a nasty party' | Matthew Parris
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- "I'm in despair about the Conservatives...they've become a nasty party."
Matthew Parris says he no longer recognised the Conservative party and that their image has become too "nasty" speaking to Kait Borsay on #TimesRadio.
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No they haven’t become the Nasty Party. They’ve always been the Nasty Party. They’ve just dropped the pretence that they cared.
Exactly. Paris is nostalgic for a period when they had some compassion for their working class dupes and pretended to have some for everyone else. What we see now is a party for the wealthy minority who are - or wish to be - part of that minority themselves. Their respect is reserved for their donors, no-one else counts at all. Indeed, the most disadvantaged are to be vilified as the convenient other upon whom all ills can be blamed.
Switch the 's' and the 't.'
that's true 👍
Just check a speech, any speech Maggie Thatcher addressed MPs. She was a piece of work. "Nasty" doesn't give her justice.
@@bluceree7312I was about to say the same, and also to add that they dropped the pretence before I was born (I'm 53)...
Were Enoch Powell, Margaret Thatcher, Ian Duncan Smith (yes I know he was in opposition at the time, still was a grade A wankstain) et al not big enough hints when they were around?
I'm sure you could add another few hundred names onto that list of cabinet ministers from those times that "distinguished" themselves...
Blimey. Matthew Parris spends decades in and around the Tory party, taking the Murdoch penny, and he finally uncovers they may be a tad bit nasty. Investigative journalism at its finest.
Mate thanks for that comment it’s so true and funny I spit my coffee out
The Murdoch penny is the key point! Amazing how many never acknowledge that they're journalistic mercenaries to one degree or another...
He’s in the same hypocritical (both now BBC lovies) as Portillo. Political Camelians looking after #1.
He’s in the same hypocritical boat (both now BBC lovies) as Portillo. Political Camelians looking after #1.
Absolutely spot on!
"The Tories HAVE BECOME a nasty party"??? You mean to tell me there was a time when they weren't? I've been around for over sixty years and cannot remember a time when they were anything else. A more accurate assement would be "the Tories have become an EVEN NASTIER party" - as if that were somehow possible.
There is no excuse for Matthew Parris. I read quite a few of his columns back in the day and I remember disagreeing strongly with practically every single one. He was a Tory MP at a time when they were definitely the Nasty Party and he was one of the Nasties.
For conservatives across western democracies, “the cruelty is the point”. When reality intrudes on ideology, others are blamed.
There s no such thing as a nice Tory
Conservatives are just the party of the rich, the rest is propganda to hold power and convice the masses to vote against their own interests.
Love reading these comments. I've never voted Tory or at all, but as someone relatively apolitical, I read these comments and think, what would these people do to the people they're talking about if they could. Nasty indeed.
As a working class man in my late 60s who has worked all his life and still works part time I can honestly say that I have always suffered under a Tory government,they absolutely hate working people always have always will!
Similar age to you, and agree 100%
The conservative party was developed for the purpose of keeping the working man and woman down
the thatch allowed working class to buy their council house a cheap prices turning them into home owners. Many people in the 80's first got on the housing market that way. The tories dont hate working class.. far from it.. but they traditionally had an ideology of help people to help themselves. Unforutnately they also had a misguided idea of streamLining the UK industry which left many people very poor espec in the regions such as wales and scotland. Todays tories under Sunak are not Tories. ; they are Blair-Lite's.
What is far far more dangerous today is that elite are looking to outsource our democrasy to forigen organisations.. that is very dangerous to us all.. and whether you are left or right.. I would say that should be all of our greatest concern when we vote. Once the democratic will of the british people is outsourced.. there will be no way back..
@@joecater894 the sell off of council houses was a con it was done to reduce funding of councils from central government so they cut taxes for the rich otherwise they would allowed councils to rebuild their stock of rented properties,the same government abolished the rent cap and allowed rents to rocket also most of council houses that were purchased have now been bought by landlords who rent these properties at eye watering rates,tories do nothing but harm to the working class you can’t rewrite history to suit your narrative!
That is true, but the joke is that they despise the working class somewhat less than the Labour party. That is a longstanding joke in the Commons
Self centredness in all its glory. It’s not a crime to be a narcissist but it should bar you from being an MP. Sunak is making policy on what’s best for his father in law’s businesses not on what’s best for us.
Become a nasty party? Think back to the John Major days. An ideal and well respected prime minister thwarted by the infighting of the Tories. They are, in the main, a pretty nasty lot.
Some of the things some of them have come out with is more BNP of the 90s than what the Conservative Party used to be. They are very nasty.
They've always been the nasty party.
They tried to disguise it previously though, now they say the quiet part out loud and want votes for it
Exactly my thoughts 💭
Deeply corrupt and dishonest party.
To be fair ostentatious corruption is a pretty recent phenomenon of the Tory party. Plus they don't really have a monopoly on dishonesty.
Like much to today's "me...me" society. They are the products of a time and place in today's UK.
@@songsmith31a They are the greedy elite just out for themselves and allways have been. If you thought otherwise you were conned
@@songsmith31a though they have done an awful lot to reinforce the me me society as you put it. Not least with the greed is good Thatcher years, and then the recent bad remake without the redeeming features.
"have become" a leopard never changes its spots, and matthew parris has been complicit every step of the way. he's just pivoting to be close to power when labour come in.
Matthew Parris couldnt last two weeks on what he voted for when he was in Thatchers government, tried to last on benefits, but couldnt so left Scotswood with his tail between his legs like the coward he was.
In what capacity?
What s s nice conservative ! Matthew Paris when he was a Tory MP , after made comments about life on the dole being easy , said their paying them enough on the dole.
After being challenged about this he spent a week on the dole in Newcastle, all expenses paid , he did nt change his mind. Is he a nice conservative?
Even at the conservative party conference shortly after that he was shown up by someone on the podium who brought this matter up being for being insensitive !
Cyclists have been forced to behave in such ways because of the absolutely terrible behaviour of motorists. Motorists are massive killers, cycling is improving health and preventing severe costs to the nhs. Cost benefit analyses show that the only form of transport that actually has a net financial benefit to society is cycling.
Ha ha
The Tories have always been the "nasty party", and Matthew Parris has been a part of that.
Exactly; I've never understood people's trust in Parris, just because he's well spoken and gay: he's still a Tory, and as a Tory MP held up Tory policies.
@@mickeythompson9537 it blows my mind that any member of the LGBT+ community would be a Tory
@@EmperorSheepy Yep!
Parris was part of something called TORCHE - the Tory Campaign for Homosexual Equality... (along with David Starkey) at the time Thatcher was instituting the anti-gay Clause 28!
Become .. they have been a that for a long long time
I think you could still make an argument that their truly pathetic descent into total reliance upon 'culture wars' nonsense has seen them become 'nastier' than they were back in the 2010-2015 period.
Always have been, there's no become their just now too nasty
That’s all they’ve ever been. Matthew was just happy before because they were nasty to the right people
As his anecdotes here demonstrate. Beheading cyclists, rugby tackling black vicars ...
It's all a great wheeze, like back at boarding school.
"Have become"? I would argue they always were, they've just generally been better at hiding it from the public.
Always had a soft spot for Matthew Paris. I remember watching him on the BBC morning news when I was a child...
Nasty for a very very very long time
Always have been, always will. Selfish, greedy, hypocritical and cruel
The tories are missing a human being in there party or one that is living. No feelings for anything but power and money. Not for those they are surposed to look after, not fine them or put them in debt. Labour are just as bad, no party is defending the people just those with money and power.
Let's not do the thing of dehumanising them. Sadly, they are all human beings. What they're missing is a collective conscience. Amongst a whole host of other positive aspects. I could do a parody of the spanish inquisition sketch about all of the virtues they're missing...
@@MrSpleenboy They are treating the people like cattle no they do not have a conscience, so what are they the Aliens we keep getting told about.
The naivete of anybody who thinks the Conservative Party at some time wasn't the nasty party!
What do mean by "become a nasty party"? The Tories have ALWAYS been THE nasty party!!!
Become? only since he left I suppose. Thatcher, milk snatcher , her own kind of strike breaking, responsible for SIR Jimmy Saville. #friends in high places.
Some would say they always were Matt. Including the time you were in it.
What Matthew Parris might not have appreciated, regarding the piece about cyclists in Derbyshire, was that a few years earlier a local motorcyclist was badly injured by a cable deliberately strung across the road, between two trees.
His piece brought the memory of that incident brightly back, causing many considerable pain and resurgence of the fear of repeat incidents.
I’m sure he meant no harm but it was an unfortunate reference at the time.
I enjoyed the interview and entirely agree with his observations on what many of the Tory party have become, they are indeed unpalatable and would be more honest practitioners if they stood under the UKIP banner, though I doubt they are able to see it in themselves.
😊
He meant no harm? He knowingly incited hatred against cyclists because he has a platform where he can write whatever he wants then claim it's "humour", when he clearly sits here and says actually no I do think cyclists are hateful. Perhaps he could just do something actually useful with his life?
@@paulbaker9879 If you had actually listened, he said SOME cyclists are hateful and that number increases when they’re mob-handed.
Grow a skin.
'The tale is wagging the dog. ' he says about the Conservative party. Has anyone listened this far before commenting?' Prejudging before giving anyone a chance will be the end of freethinking if we are not careful.
I don,t know whats took him so long to realise something most of the country have known for years.
Has become?
It always was, but the arrogance and stupidity of the present lot means they aren’t cunning enough to keep it from the public anymore.
Just check a speech, any speech Maggie Thatcher addressed MPs. She was a piece of work. "Nasty" doesn't give her justice.
She brought in the whole "cut taxes on the rich and cut services for everyone else" set of policies, as proposed by Keith Joseph and other "neoliberals"/ libertarians of the 1970s.
On yer bike, Tebbit.
Funny how she and Ronald Reagan managed to make their respective countries stand for something
worthwhile in their time. They both had pride in their respective lands and disconcerted the nay-sayers
by that unremitting commitment in an age that has now led on to the political wilderness of weakness
and wokeness which pays billions in support to millions of non-working inhabitants and pays scant
regard to the concerns of their electorate about the security and social well-being of the UK.
In a World that is owned and run by the banks for their own benefit, how did we get a Prime Minister who is a banker?? ................ I think that I have answered my own question.................
Should that have been spelled with a W ?
I preferred Sunak when he was an Investment Banker earning millions for helping to sink RBS which we taxpayers bailed out
It's not the banks, it's oligarchs who own and run the world. Banks are merely intermediaries for their actions.
Banks do some useful services, but mega rich oligarchs are just parasites who live of the useful work that other people do. E.g. the Duke of Westminster, who does sfa, yet earns hundreds of millions in rents from London properties. And too many like him.
😁😁😁 It's the word ""become"" 😁😁😁. So: the Tories have only just discovered "nasty" (like Darwin discovering natural selection). 😆😆😆😆😂😂😂😂😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Nothing like a chuckle at Christmas. 🎄😆🎄😆🎅🍷🍷
Matthew Parris, former MP, current Times columnist but always consistent in being a good half century behind in his "news" and views.
They always have been the nasty party but they have turned the nastiness up to ukip / bnp levels in recent years.
NASTY!!!! You mean Evil Party!? 😈
I don't understand "have become", they've always been the nasty party.🤔
A lovely, intelligent, decent man who manages to be bizarrely naive about the long standing rancid nature of that disgusting party.
I don’t think he’s naive to it. I think he’s socially liberal but economically, he’s instinctively an old school, one nation Conservative. Prefers a smaller state, etc. He’s a decent bloke, though, and a million miles away from the hard right arseholes that form the bulk of the party membership and much of the Parliamentary Party these days.
I agree - Parris is stupidly naive about his Tory Party.
I remember him being part of something called TORCHE - the Tory Campaign for Homosexual Equality... at the time Thatcher was instituting the anti-gay Clause 28!
@@davidhodgson3901 It's the way he acts like the nastiness is new.Tebbit, IDS and a legion of names from yesteryear were just as sadistic.
@@stevendurrant1724 reasonable points. I suppose he’s been on a journey from the dark side. At least he’s arrived.
@@davidhodgson3901no he hasn't, he's taken the money from Murdoch et al, joined the cyclist pile on (not mentioning the papers were anti cycle schemes at the time). His eyes were always open, that's why his party is the way it is, people like him
They have always been the nasty party....nothings changed😂
'They should be in UKIP' - well yes but because of Brexit they joined the Tories!
Very nasty , ignorant, uncaring , exploiting the tax payer without a care …
"have become"??? Mate, they have been just that for nearly 50 years!
On the left myself, but I've always admired this man's work.
His political pieces on BBC Breakfast in the 1980/90s were always worth waiting for, before heading out of the door and desperately running to catch the bus to work.
"Have become!?"
When Theresa May coined the term "Nasty Party" for her Conservatives she was already decades late.
The conservatives have taken the public for granted for years
Argh , that sketch he smugly reads out is the sort of thing I’d be embarrassed to text a close friend. No wonder someone who can’t write and can’t hear themselves is a discombobulated Tory.
Tories are born Tories and die Tories.
There are no acceptable ones, but some are more competent at hiding their NASTY !
What Matthew Parris doesn't realise is that as a conservative he has surounded himself with people who believe self enrichment is the main political goal. He shouldn't be suprised with the company they now keep. He may look at himself and his friends and go, ahh but we are jolly nice people, but greed attracts the very worst individuals.
Become a nasty party?
The U.K. Tories have always been a Nasty party (since PM Margaret Thatcher “Mad Cow Zero” ) they have just dropped the pretense that they care.
75, Sheee - that picture in the attic must be a mess……
Tells the story of how the Tories treated Peter Tatchell in1983, the beomoans how they become a nasty 40 years later? The Tories have always been the nasty party, they nearly fell apart when Cameron tried to de-toxify their image with marriage equality 10 years ago
Becoming? Yep. Since the day they were formed.
He’s been complaining about the Tories for years, certainly since Johnson. Why he’s not at least a Liberal Democratic is a mystery.
They always been NASTY NASTY NASTY PARTY
They have always been like that.
Surely the Tories became the nasty party in 1975?
You mean 1875!
Sooner if you count Enoch Powell
@@sawtooth808 I am not sure that I would count Enoch Powell. I actually have a lot of respect for Enoch Powell. I think he had an Achilles heel with race and neloiberalism. He also quit the Conservative Party in 1974 and became an Ulster Unionist so he is not very representative. I chose 1975 when Margaret Thatcher became Leader. That was when neoliberalism and back stabbing became mainstream.
Becoming? Sorry they are becoming a nastier party. But they’ve always been very nasty.
Have become? Always was a nasty party.
Tories the nasty party
Reform the even more nasty party. Vote Labour.
"become"
Always were the Nasty Party let’s be honest.
Paris isn't a conservative, people like him are the big problem. Arrogant and entitled.
Bring back experienced civil servants and qualified advisers.
Not nasty enough! They’ve become sooo wet and ineffectual! Grrrr. Vote Reform for change!
When were they not the nasty party?
You are esteemed by me Matthew.
How do you mean become the nasty party ! Apparently sponsored bye coke and filmed in no ten on a night with no party gate going on
these are the people who forced austerity on ordinary people while bailing out their banker buddies and financial backers
Oh come on……. NASTIER
For anyone who was alive in 1979 the Tories were always the nasty party and have never changed, it’s just that today journos only report what they are told to, and do no original thinking, they’ve now been told to focus on this. This performative cruelty has been in place since 2008, but as it has now impacted Mr Paris it becomes the story.
Mathew Parris says the Tories have "become the nasty party". As someone who saw the Tory party under Thatcher and Major, the Tories have always been the nasty party.
I'm not surprised cyclists are miserable. They're seconds from death most of the time. I can't imagine what makes someone cycle on roads as a leisure activity. Looks insanely stressful to me.
What do you mean “become”?
they always have been this lot is just nastier
Matthew Parris might marvel at his talent free success but we all know what privilege, resources and connections can do, it gave us the worst PM in living memory.
One thing you cannot say about Peter Tatchell, is that he is a coward. You might disagree with him on somethings, but he is one of the most courageous figures in public life.
Looks to me, like the Tories saw what trump was doing in the US & thought yeah, let’s just lie lie lie.
The Tories are becoming a nasty party ha ha excuse me where have you been waking around with your eyes closed and your ears closed to have a day off they have all ways been the nasty party and always will be 😊
"Become" ??? that saying is as old as the hills - for a reason.....
What do you mean becoming a nasty party. Ever since I started paying attention to politics circa 1966 I have been certain it was the nasty party.
Tories were always horrible
What a nasty person he is
always has been .
a snotty fruit 🍓
Always nasty. Tories such as Matthew Parris trying to rehabilitate themselves. Hilarious.
Been sulking since Brexit in 2016, which he is obsessed with. Sad.
I voted for them in the past and cannot wait to see the back of them
People like you are responsible for the ruin of Britain. Unless you are a big buisness owner or a multi millionaire, you are not represented by the Tories. Your acts are unforgivable and provoked by misguided self interests. Shame on you and all those like "YOU"
That’s all you can do.
Wrong tense. Always have been!
Replace have become with have always been
They've always been a nasty party. Sometimes it's hidden better...
Mathew has been so so out of touch with everyday people.
He needs to go bk to his Stone house in Dorset or Derbyshire.
So out of Touch
Become a nasty party! Eternally mendacious!
No, they ALWAYS have been.
Ugh. An apologist for sado-fascism and the theft of the nation's wealth for his own pals. Hearing him reading out his old articles, self-praising his every word as if it were a gilded drip of humour, is revolting.
It is fascinating reading the comments because more people have voted Conservative more often than people have voted Labour or Liberal Democrat (or their previous incarnations) during the past four decades and more. Are commentators saying that the Tory party has unique powers to dupe their voters that Labour and co. do not possess, or are they saying that huge swathes of the electorate actually want a 'nasty party' in power? Or might it not be better to engage in why people actually voted the way they did rather than just opine in their own echo chambers.
Matthew Paris writes well, sometimes originally, and provides a moderate centre right view of the news, no more and no less than that.
My cycle club members always smile on our gentle rides to the pub for a good ale.
How have they BECOME a nasty party when they never been anything but ?
"It isn't most of them." You will need to supply some evidence to support that statement.
The most who are not 'Nasty' are covering up and not challenging those who are.
Parris thinks the Tories are nasty, I think Labour are nasty. So what?
The Tory party has always been the nasty party .
Has Parris burnt his Tory membership card yet in disgust or is he still their shoeshine boy .
Good question
When were they nice?
Very nasty.