Goodbye 757s, Hello A321XLR? Icelandair Signs For Up To 25 A321XLRs
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2023
- Earlier this month, Icelandair announced that it had signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with Airbus for 25 A321XLRs. This is a significant update from the Icelandic flag carrier, which had been mulling over new options for its fleet for several years. For most of its recent history, the airline has been a mainly Boeing operator. Let’s look at this development in today’s video!
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The 757 is one of my favourite aircraft and seeing Boeing not updating and upgrading it is really sad 😢
Yes me too, the pencil is my favourite plane ever
To be fair the Boeing 757 was so unique that it was very expensive to build and when the orders started to slow down because the jet was so under appreciated….Boeing had no choice but to cease production. The production line has long since gone into other aircraft but the jet was built before its time 😢
@@semperjr Exactly. The airplane never sold well outside of North America and indeed was very expensive for them to make. It only sold 1000 units after more than 30 years of sales. It was always a niche aircraft. Boeing had no choice but to move on.
There's nothing to update to. The 737 MAX already has the range and capacity of the 757-200, as does the A321(LR/XLR). The 757-300 has slightly higher capacity, but it only sold about 55 units; the market for 275+ seat narrowbodies is too small to pursue.
@@mirzaahmed6589 That's not true. The MAX 9 and 10 which matches the capacity of the 757 are a good 1000 miles behind in range of the 757. That was actually one of the reasons why the 757 failed. It was too heavy to support that range it had for most applications.
The A321XLR is a logical next step for Icelandair considering that they didn't have any other options though I would still like to see them replace their 767s with the 787-8.
Icelandair should upgrade the current business class.
My plan:
SAGA STUDIO = Business //Direct Aisle access and enclosing suite on 767, 787 and select A321neo
SAGA PREMIUM = Domestic Biz // on 757, 737 and A21N a 1-2 configuration with throne seat
SAGA SMART = Premium Eco//upcycled the current saga premium seats for the premium economy on 767, 787 and A21N.
SAGA SAVER = Economy
all aircraft with current seats, long range with zodiac seats.
I think it's the correct choice. Because, for comparison, Aer Lingus used to fly the Shannon - Boston route with a 757. A work colleague of mine has booked a flight on that route for August and, at the moment at least, it shows that he'll be on an A321.
Must be an error if it's Iceland Air. They don't currently have the 321 in the fleet and won't before 2025.
@@johniii8147 read the comment again. Icelandair doesnt fly Shannon to boston, the commenter also states AER LINGUS
Sadly the XLR still can't do all what the 757 can do but at least it'll be fuel efficient. Boeing dropped the ball
I love the 757!!
Nothing quite like the 757
Here’s hoping they paint the aurora livery and glacier livery on their A321XLR. The best liveries ever!
They got it right.
Those 757s will be missed.🫡
IMO Boeing is really dropping the ball on the NMA project. There is a lot of potential instead twirling their thumbs with the 737 and 777 problems
They looked at the NMA for years and just couldn't make the business case for it work. Even in its heyday day, the 757 didn't sell that well, especially in its final years. It only sold just over 1000 units in more than 30 years of sales. It was also costly for Boeing to make.
@@johniii8147 They definitely had/have a business case for it (NMA) which was already made and requested by the airline industry. However with all the MAX troubles they simply could not afford to move forward with the program as they wanted to.
@@dmcr9525 They did struggle with business case even prior to the Max debacle. True it was the MAX debacle final nail in the coffin. But the big concern was always size of market for the NMA and how expensive it was going to be to develop and manufacture relative to market size. They just were not seeing a market size greater than 1200 for the type. It's a niche market they would have to share with the 321XLR. Even uncontested, the XLR is at about 600 sales, so Boeing's forecast for the segment appears to have been accurate. Even if executed perfectly, the NMA would have taken years to develop and get production started in volume. This was probably the right call by Boeing.
@@johniii8147 Boeing should have kept the program going building the cargo version of the aircraft because freight companies such as UPS, FedEx and DHL still fly many converted and some pure cargo platform 757s.
@@alooga555 No, it wouldn't have saved the program. Only 80 of the cargo versions were sold over 20+ year time frame.
They really need to make a new 757.
I am an absolute Airbus fanatic but I think the Boeing 757 was an absolute marvel. What an increadable aircraft. This aircraft could have been a huge competitor to Airbus had Boeing decided to rework wing and engine upgrades. I personally think Boeing is self destructing internally.
Regards from South Africa
Yup Iceland Air will operate really well not just with The Boeing 737 Max Family Jets but Also there New Airbus A321Neos,A321LR's & A321XLR's for 2029 there about Awesome Video!!!!
I’m not surprised
This is a decision borne out of necessity, and a good one for Icelandair. If Boeing builds a midsize aircraft later on, Icelandair will sign up.
00:17 is the perfect clip for this video LOL!
It will be weird seeing Icelandair's flying pencils replaced. Thankful had an opportunity to fly on two of them.
I am not surprised since It fits their model of operation.
Can't wait to flim these although I will miss the 757 😢😢😢
Love the A320 family with the spacious cabin and great comfort usually
Flying from Seattle to Reykjavik on a 737 MAX? That's a torture I would avoid at all cost.
i couldn't even do it on the 757
A321 is my favourite single aisle . Regular travel in Air Arabia A321 to India.
Right Choice Icelandair 👌 👏 👍🏾
They should have done this years ago !!
Nice
Good Idea if I was then I would get short routes long routes and mid range routes and get the a321xlr and lr and the max and 787 or a350
I'm surprised they are choosing Airbus now
There's no other choice for the replacement for the 757.
Didn't' really have a choice since the MAX doesn't have the range they were looking for unless they went for a 787 which is likely too much airplane for them.
Ya think
I wish to fly on 757 before it get retires
They are still easy to find for now on DL. Still over a 100 in the fleet.
Goodbye 757😢
What’s gonna happen to Hekla Aurora and all aircraft that have paint marking livery on them? Are they gonna be transferred to the A321s?
Hopefully hekla aurora keeps flying as is...
The A321XLR is a logical 757 replacement. However it would appear the Airbus does not have an L2 door like the 757. As a passenger I think that's a miss
The number of doors depends on the number of seats. The A321neo has a handful of options regarding door configuration. Keep in mind boarding is carried out through L1 regardless of the number of doors, same goes for the 757.
@@YSLaurens I believe the last two flights I flew on Iceland Air we boarded via the L2 door. Which makes for a much nicer experience when siting first class
That’s like replacing a Vette with a Avalon!
Although I've never flown icelandair I have flown the 757 with Delta and I love the airplane. It actually kind of hurts my heart just a little to see how such a beautiful airplane and how boeing has neglected it. They decided to put all their eggs in one basket with the Max and it almost backfired. Instead of re-engining the 757 or building it's replacement, they decided to dictate to the market with the 737 Max and it almost ruined them
To be fair, Boeing doesn't have the money to have an aircraft for every market segment like Airbus does. So they had to choose three passenger aircraft models and the B737, 787 and 777 cover most of the market.
@@Dave_Sisson you said it, _most._ The 757 will leave a gap that Boeing won't be able to fill.
They made the right decision
With all the delays and set backs from Boeing I think we will more airlines switching their fleets from Boeing to Air Bus.
That's not how things are working out. Boeing is actually outselling Airbus these days since Airburs is booked up and running 6 months to a year late on their own deliveries.
Boeing is not outselling Airbus, they were outpacing them in deliveries due to a bunch of Max’s and Dreamliners sitting in storage with issues, now those planes are being flooded into the market. Airbus is selling A321’s at a record rate, they just can’t make them fast enough.
The a320xlr has a better fuel economy than the 757
But the fuel burn is just 2 Ton/Hours
not capable of flying 9 hours with 230 pax, even though it can handle up to 250 like widebody.
At most if like my country could be Just South East Asia to Saudi Arabia at most
321 XLR is a new, far more efficient 😢 means for businesses over the 1980's hot rod 757
Icelandair should upgrade the current business class. Their premium cabin is outdated.
My plan:
SAGA STUDIO = Business //Direct Aisle access and enclosing suite on 767, 787 and select A321neo
SAGA PREMIUM = Domestic Biz // on 757, 737 and A21N a 1-2 configuration with throne seat
SAGA SMART = Premium Eco//upcycled the current saga premium seats for the premium economy on 767, 787 and A21N.
SAGA SAVER = Economy
all aircraft with current seats, long range with zodiac seats.
Airbus offer ULD posibility
In B757 wasn’t
Love the 757. I’d prefer flying on the A321 over the 737 MAX and the A350 over the 787, though.
Still a shame that the 757 didn't get the max treatment.
Noooooo 😭
Common Boeing, create a new 757 🤦🏼
Logical
I advised an icelandair cabin crew when they retire the 757 to replace it with A321neo aircraft, because they are better then the 737Max. They have batter range.
757 is a Quality verry Good Airplane,Its Just really Sad Boeing neglect Up grading the 757.😪They Favor the Max with lots of Deadly issues.😌😠.At list Airbus did up grading they a320 family's and stay with there up dating plans with they planes👍🇨🇦🇵🇭
alas boeing never updated the b757, so airbus is the only real option here. I see other b757 operators making the same move.
Airbus wins the day😆
No surprises. Boeing doesn't have an aircraft type similar to the A321lr/xlr.
757 is noisy and cabin is old. But other than that 757 is an excellent aircraft. Its two RB211 are powerful, designed for hot and high airport like Middle east and Tibetan plateau. A321XLR can't fly with full passengers in such environment. Still there is no better replacement for 757 and airlines can only choose 321XLR. Airlines only cares money just like aircraft manufacturers
If they can manage Iceland to Hawaii with the XLR then that’d make many a European 😆 happy
Proof positive that Boeing has missed out not having developed the 797 about 6 years ago. Icelandair was a logical customer but Boeing has frittered away the opportunity.
Ahh man, wish the boeing weren't as lazy as they actually are, they could have reegined the 757 as a 757 max or 757x and replace the older ones... BUT THEY LET AIRBUS TAKE THE WIN. DAMN!!
757 is nice but they are now ancient.
Icelandair should have chosen the A330neo to replace their 757
It is pretty clear they want a narrowbody.
i think i’ve seen iceland 767 for that
In my opinion the 757 should fly for at least 20 more years
No specific reasons, but I have just never had a pleasant flying experience on a 320 class airplane.
thats mostly due to the airline tho. aircraft config is the customers choice.
Same, I dread dealing with them. Small easily scratched windows that look into the sun instead of downward, with nonsense fringing artifacts other planes don't have. As a photographer, that is very irritating. Louder than a 37, I'm frequently late for maintenance issues, and at least with the 321ceo performance is just bad. Can't count how many times I've seen people bumped from a 321 for being over mtow at CLT
I dont care dude i like 757-200
It's getting boring actually.. everywhere it's airbus a320s and a321s flying .. they have literally left boeing far behind in this segment atleast
A321XLR over the 757 ?? Grosss
what do you want them to do? theres no other plane that is like the 757.
ok if you are the CEO of Icelandair which aircraft would you choose now?
Delta seems to be doing fine with their 757s for now
Okay yea no thanks. I am not bound to fly long haul on a god damn narrow body aircraft. Don’t go to Iceland by Iceland air you will break your back. They could bought the B787-8 for Boeing commonality aircrafts. But nah they just HAD to go with airbus and specially a narrow body too. Worse fleet ever
Not as bad as your grammar and spelling.
But this means they do not have to serve you and your foul temperament. Plus, the list cost of a B787-8, $248 million. Cost of an A321-XLR, $142 million. I am not an Airbus fan, but these facts definitely point to a win for Iceland Air. Especially the one about temperament.
The B787 or any widebody requires relatively more fuel to operate than narrowbodies with the former having to push more air masses around it and a comparable Boeing NMA won't be in the market soon.
Hope that the up to 9-abreast seating made up of "totally not narrow" seats on a widebody like the 787 will serve you far better
This is excellent news, but why no speak of new Boeing 737 Max issue? SimpleFlying has pro-Boeing agenda?
Wasn't the topic of the video and in no way related to the decision so there no need to.
big loss for boeing losing an all boeing customer