False Confession Plagues Murder Case Involving 10-Year-Old Victim | Victoria Martens Case Analysis
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2022
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Victoria Martens?
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Poor little girl. Imagine getting off the bus, on your birthday, and being excited and no one is even there, happy to see you. Waiting for a meal, a cake, a present, something, but probably not even being acknowledged. This is beyond heartbreaking.
As someone who loathes their own bday, that part is nowhere near as tragic as this girls day to day life must have been. Drug added losers should never have kids, oof
If this was her home then im sure she was aware there'd be no cake or presents 😂
@@irenephillips1523nobody said she expected anything. She didn't. That's the heartbreaking part. Dumbazz
@StuMarston I was saying living in a place like this kid did there wouldn't be presents and cake like op said. No one was talking to you
These mothers bringing all kinds of sociopaths around their children are partly to blame imo
Women need to face repercussions for their gross negligence in parenting.
Her mother is a psychopath.
Absolutely!
Michelle doesn't 'get a pass' because she 'technically' wasn't guilty.
She was her mother, she was the one to protect her daughter. She failed. She is where she belongs and I wish she was locked away for longer and has her tubes tied!
They are more than partly to blame, this evil creature allowed adult males (I can't call those demons men) to SA her little girl while she was off high on meth. It's unimaginable that any parent could do that to a child. I've heard of this deranged cruelty happening in atleast 3 true crime cases this year. The horrific things these birth parents do is so unbelievably terrible it's sickening & heart wrenching. Drugs are not an excuse for this kind of depravity, they are just inherently evil to their core..
@@crazydaisyog3984 completely agree!
I disagree with Dr Grande saying the police judged them based on their drug use. They judged them based on their low morality and absence of responsibility of that poor little girl.
Side Note, it was her 10th birthday and she was already forgotten about at the bus stop after school. And that's just the tip of the iceberg
I remember this case. The details were so horrific that I wish I hadn't read about it, because it will be one of those things that haunts me forever. I'll always remember the name Victoria Martens. That poor innocent child. I don't care if the mother was present at the murder or not. She was the PARENT. She should pay dearly for her gross failure and negligence.
Exactly. Bringing strange men around is abusive. Full stop.
Exactly!
This one and the case with the 10 year old Jessica in Colorado had a similar experience with the guy that abducted her and what he did to her and her body was horrific and I never want to understand these monster’s personalities and motives
Wao Dr.Grande you have " especulated" "wink, wink" many cases keeping your professionalism , impartiality providing a humble view regardless of your expertise and strong credentials. But I can tell you that your stripes came out in your analysis of this case. You put your Rambo shoes, military stripes you aresenal and approach the topic with such veracity, intelligence that made me rejoice listening the real amazing mental health professional was speaking. Sir you are so talented and have such a rich source of knowledge and information that is breathtaking. You are making a real contribution to society by creating this program and sharing your knowledge to the world. Simply said thank you!
100% agree. The mother is ultimately to blame. Shame on all of them.
That child lived in a nightmare existence. I can't really understand any of this. It's completely irrational from start to finish. What in the world are these people about? It's so evil.
Yes I agree, It doesn't make sense because they all are lying. It was failed to be mentioned Victoria had a prior sexually transmitted disease.
Drugs are a big part of the problem! But people have to be messed up enough to take them in the first place! When children are involved tragedy often happens!
@@bthomson Generational curses. Some people ought to get licenses before they reproduce.
Drugs
Meth. End of story. It's canned adrenaline, and the wrose the addiction the less people care about themselves, or anyone around them. Still, unlike some addicts, in its most abused form, they are driven to interact with their hallucinations in often violent ways. Unless you have tried meth, or been addictive to it, it may be hard to fathom, but it can turn anyone into a demon. It also greatly increases the desire for sexual gratification that can never be satisfied. Sex goes on, and on, and on, and on. Knowing that they were long-term meth addicts, none of this suprised me. It appalled me, but it made sense. Like most addicts, they only care about the drug. The drug gives them more mentally than anyone, or anything else can, and as humans when our endorphin needs are met, it's easy to see everything else as unimportant, in comparison.
I could not have children… yet people like this women have a beautiful, lively looking little girl - and treat her like this! I just CANNOT comprehend this.
Me too. I can't. And they have a perfectly healthy child and first abuse her, then kill her? How can any mother let anyone like that near her 10 year old daughter?! How?!
I have Kids although i always had to take Hormones etc for getting pregnant. But as a Mother looking at my Kids i can not wrap my Head around how someone can be so neglectful. Even if my Daughters bring Friends Home everything is well Organized and Communicated with the Parents cause i want everyone safe and be responsible.
@@susanneal6063because for "them" other people are objects.
This is one of the reasons why I do not believe and am not convinced there is God.
This is beyond sad and sick.
This innocent little girl hadn't a chance living there. I wish someone working at her school could have helped her
That poor child, my heart is
Broken for the defenseless
Children in this world!
The evil people that commit
These crimes! What is going on in this world?
Agree very evil and.hateful people there are people that don't need to be around kids period
These are meth users, America has an obsession with drugs and dysfunction.
From illegal immigration to drug use, it's all too much for our society.
This case was so sad my daughter and Victoria Martin went to school together they were friends . When this happened I was so emotional for days . My daughter said she was such a sweet person. thank u for covering this story.
Im from Albuquerque , and this case was devastating to the community 😢 They all should stay behind bars forever!!! I can't believe this so called mother didn't protect her child!!!
The child was let down by everybody. Where was her father, where were her grandparents, uncles, and aunts where the social workers at school? Such a sad story
I'm from Burque, too. I'm a bit dismayed at Dr. Grande's attempts to whitewash Michelle's reputation here. "She eventually began using drugs" AFTER inviting Fabian into her home? Not bloody likely! I'm the last person to stand up for APD, but I think THEY had a better handle on Michelle than Dr. Grande's assertion that she "had rights that should be protected" and "whose life had value." Michele had clearly been using her daughter in any and every way to ensure her own access to drugs. I sincerely hope that if Michelle ever gets out of prison, she's smuggled far away and given a different name. Too many people in town will not forget this horrific crime. It would be far better for everyone if she were to just die before she's released.
@@pricklypear7516 Couldn't agree more !!!
@@pricklypear7516 How do you think people become addicted to drugs? Every addict has a story about how they started, but it takes a dealer to sell them their first hit. I, personally, became addicted to opiates after starting a romantic relationship with an addict and know another person that went through the same. I honestly don't know why Fabian was implicated in this tragedy, maybe I'd missed something, but I honestly don't see the reason - sounds like Jessica was to blame for the murder, Michelle for leaving her child with Jessica and Fabian for... ?
Plenty of fish? Plenty of creeps. Good grief. Humans are monsters.
My heart goes out to the little girl.
Such an innocent soul.
Any crime involving physical or sexual abuse of a child should carry an automatic death penalty. PERIOD!
That would probably be a good idea. Cull the herd of its most destructive members.
@@MexAm120902 most societies in history have expelled those who endanger the rest.
Agreed. Anyone who has the capacity to harm an innocent child is 100% evil.
I live in New Mexico. This terrible crime happened about two miles away from where I live. I'll never forget this. It shook our entire community.
Dear Dr G, one of the aspects of this case is that disturbs me greatly the death of a child does not attract the same weight of penalty and/or time behind bars. To my way of thinking the murder of a child should attract harsher penalties as a child is mostly defenceless and at the start of their life. As always, an exceptional presentation with interesting, hight intelligent and considered comment.
I agree wholeheartedly. Children are the most vulnerable members of our society, and the future of society. Losing a child to violent crime should be an immediate death penalty sentence for the perpetrator. It makes my blood boil for Victoria. She mattered, she was worthy and should’ve been protected.
@@rebecastevens8892 absolutely. These people are mad or have no heart. How their heart and brain can allow them to do such hateful acts is something as a human I cannot understand, disgrace to our species and rejects of our society. Our society is in no way perfect or even healthy but these humans ought to be far away from us. Especially away from our children.
It's beyond me how people can create such a hellscape of a life when they have a child.
I'll never understand how a parent will allow random criminals to be around their children because they can't handle living without adults. This mother was every bit responsible for the environment she created. She may as well have committed it. She deserves the punishment and jail time.
Rest in paradise, sweet Victoria ❤️🙏
This is a dark, dark story.
Victoria, just a child who rode that school bus one last time.
She walked in the sunshine one last time.
Maybe she waited for her Mom to return and make her something to eat, or help with her homework, give her a good night kiss.
When I stop crying I’ll like this video even though I don’t.
Thank you, Dr Grande.
Nah her mom was a tweaker, tweaker mothers do none of those thing.
And it was her 10th birthday. 😢💔
Don’t think she was waiting for any of that
I doubt her drug addicted mother did anything for or with her child
No she had a sleep while her 10yo was being dismembered! I find it hard to believe these monsters are human!
People are evil. I’m a therapist but there is a line and some people are just evil regardless of a dx.
Meth makes ppl evil.
Can definitely understand but do not agree. Human frailty and mental disturbances (especially substance abuse) seem to me to be the cause of the world's ills.
I agree. As the victim of a narcissistic husband who tried to murder me, I’ve seen evil in someone’s eyes. Looking at the face of pure malice & pleasure in causing pain is a life changing, soul shaking experience.
Fools and their psychiatry...some people rightly fear GOD. others stupidly do not
Whatever you hear these horrific stories and you see the children with a smile in their pictures just breaks my heart even more.. through all the hell they somewhat find glimpse of happiness
Yes, that is the remarkable part - Victoria surely lived a life of neglect if not worse, yet those that have commented, that knew her, reported she was a sweet child. The pics of her give that impression. Perhaps it was resilience, but it is remarkable, none the less, that she seemed a bright and bubbly child despite her home life. Such a horrific, deliberate offence. I agree that when the victim is a child, the penalties ought to be more severe. Many offences in NSW, Aust, are stepped up a level when the victim is a child, the offence will be “aggravated ….” The aggravation being that the victim was a child and will have a heftier penalty. There are other circumstances that qualify as aggravation, eg, offence committed in company, or part of a criminal enterprise etc.
Another day of only speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this. I’m here for it as usual.
I remember this case we'll, i lived in the apartment complex where this happened (arroyo villas if it's still called that). It was in the same building right across the way from me. We held a little vigil near a tree that was near the apartment building. I remember being interviewed by FBI, police, and news about this case. i saw this girl a day before playing with other kids.. then next she was gone..
I remember this area as well. I lived nearby in 2016. Near Golf Course and Irving NW...so tragic and horrific that this happened so close to home.
Victoria was a gorgeous little girl. such a sad story. thank you Dr grande 🙏
Wow this might be the most disgusting thing Ive ever heard. They need to be locked up for LIFE
They need the death penalty.
@@nhmooytis7058 Agree
They need to be fried
@@susanlucas1125 yup
What depravity. The notion that drug use is a victimless crime is delusional.
Jesus. What a horrifying story. I understand that she gave a false confession, but WHY on earth would THAT be the tale she chose to tell? “I raped my child. I sold her to pedophiles. Then I murdered her and chopped her up.” 🤢 How on earth did she expect that despicable scenario to help her case?!
Don’t ever start using drugs, kids. 🤦🏻♀️
I suspect her psychopathy led her to drugs rather than drugs leading her to psychopathy.
There was never any proof that she DIDN'T pimp her daughter. The autopsy report suggests this child endured years of sexual assault.
I think this was the info police fed her as they tried to get a confession. She was high and the police are relentless in these situations. She probably just agreed to their scenario to make it all stop.
Maybe you will get the chance to be interrogated someday. You will be surprised what detectives can get you to say. She was messed up. I have a feeling that she ended up getting pissed at the questions the stupid detectives were asking her and pissed her off. She was not in a clear state of mind to even be interrogated. She was still coming down from a high. I don't think she was a bad person just got herself into a bad situation. It's easy to judge people without really knowing them and I'm a 100% sure that you don't know her you're just over educated by the press. That's a big problem.
People get coerced into giving false confessions all the time, even to the point of believing the lies themselves, especially in a state of shock.
Sad. The ones about kids are hard to watch, Grande, but I do appreciate you covering such stories. Thank you for covering this one.
Kids pay for the sins of Parents.
At least call him Dr. Grande.
One of the most disturbing cases ever! I remember when this story broke. As details of the crimes came out, the news that the child had been murdered, the body had been dis-membered, and her body set alight were stunning revelations that shocked everyone. The people involved used deceipt in such a way as to assign blame to one another. No child deserves this ultimate betrayal by those who purported to live and care for the ten year old girl.
On her birthday non the less
One of thee worst crimes I’ve ever heard . This one made my blood run cold
This is definitely one of thee worst crimes I’ve ever heard of . I’ll never forget how my blood ran cold when I’d learned of it . COLD . That Jessica bitch only got 50 years . Infuckingcreadable . Why not the death penalty?!? For Fabian too . That mother won’t reoffend like they will . She’s a shell of herself I’m sure .
This is written like it's on a teleprompter and supposed to be read by a newscaster
They should all be in prison.
@@jaymike3302 Only too late for that child.
I remember when this case happened and it was absolutely sickening. I will never forget Victoria's name or face, or the fact that she was murdered on her 10th birthday. Thank you for covering it.
I am a native NMcan, living in Santa Fe. I watched all of the trial live streams. The audio from the bodycam of the young officer who first discovered her and immediately grabbed a pillow case to put out the flames on beautiful Victoria. May he please somehow
heal from this seeing something so horrific While viewing the live trial feed, there is no doubt from his body language, facial expressions his life, and so so so many others lives changed in a most unsettling way. MY opinion Jessica is the reason that precious young live is gone
It's sad when anyone is murdered but when a child is murdered it's so tragic. I believe that the 3 adults, have too take responsibility too protect this child, to set her on fire was heinous. I don't know who murdered this girl, but I hope she gets the justice she deserves. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis. Tragic outcome and sad topic.
Hi dear friend. I went to bed early. Yes such a heinous case, great comment. How's play time w Noah? 😉💛🤍💜👋👶🌻🪴Have a super day and evening 🍨🤗💞Hugs!🏜
Hi guys! - I hate when children are harmed! Some people are just too awful to be believed! Thank goodness Dr. Grande helps us all to understand this crazy world! Happiness and health to all!💐
@@bthomson Howdy😊Yes even sadder when kids are harmed😑. Dr G helps make sense of so many things. The mystery man is so ridiculous. Happiness and health Yes to us all💕💟💕💟🫖🍍🌄⭐
Drug addicts take no responsibility for anything
I'm not sure why they'd ask the neighbors to contact the police, when they had cell phones. Thanks for covering this tragic and disturbing case, Doctor. You've done it with a high degree of respect and humanity. As always, an excellent analysis.
Exactly! I feel like they were all in it and wanted to pin the whole thing on the cousin so by running to the neighbors it makes it seem like they don't know what happened and why she went crazy.
I guess it's possible that it was a spur of the moment situation where the two discovered what was going on and were attacked, and immediately ran out of the house. Possible but unlikely.
@@aarondavis8943 the parents were aware and assisted in the frequent sexual assault of their child, they did not care if she was alive or dead. I’d rather my child pass away than ever experience THAT
Perhaps the were too effed up from Meth to handle the call.
I’m not sure that sexual assault part was true…Either way Victoria deserved so much better.
I know this is off topic forgive me. My favorite thing about Dr. Grande is when he gets into talking about life coaches. I can be anywhere doing anything and when I think about it I can’t stop laughing. I mean I’m in tears sometimes.
Yes! He has his special dislikes ( Mountain Dew, Taco Bell, Lie detectors, bad police work, and some unnamed celebrities!). But his shirts are perfect!
Thank you so much for covering this case. It’s one of those I think about often. My daughter is 16. Victoria would be 16 if she had lived. I think about what she might be doing if she had gotten out of that horrible situation.
She was repeatedly sexually assaulted before she was 10. She was not going to live the life of a normal child. I shudder to think of the abuse she woukd have continued to endure over the years. Abuse was not isolated to this one event.
I feel depressed after listening to this story. It's too sad and convoluted for words.
Proud to say I have never known a single person with a "street name". I sure as hell wouldn't let one near my kids. This poor beautiful child had her whole life ahead of her.
ABQ culture is one big street name.....
This poor baby! I found this one hard as my own daughter is 10. It's so sad. I can't even comprehend the 10 years worth of neglect she must have experienced to have ended up on a situation where nobody was there for her after school and then nobody was there to protect her as she was strangled to death! What an awful end to what can only presumably have been a horrific and short life. RIP sweet angel.
I was raised in this exact same environment. My babysitters were always psychotic meth heads. They would routinely give us alcohol to sleep so they could continue their binges. We were lucky all that happened was beatings, abuse and attempted drownings while we got our hair chopped off. At least we weren't strangled and set on fire. Jessica did it,
😢
Did you recover? Are you well today ?
Omg Amber that’s horrific!!! I hope you’re doing well now. You deserve a happy life.
I'm so very sorry you went through that. I hope you are healing and that you have a happy and healthy life.
😮 Lucky? It was really hard to read your comment. I hope you have a better life now.
Victoria was a Defenseless Little Girl! 💔🙏🕊️💔🙏🕊️💔🙏🕊️🧸🧸🧸
Sickening ~ that poor child~ the observation you stated where whether they did it or not they should be in jail was exactly what was running through my mind ~honestly ~ the legal view is very convoluted
Thank you for this analysis. I know someone who was close to Victoria, and the whole situation was just so horrific, it was hard to sort through timelines and the changing stories in the immediate aftermath of her death. You raise several excellent points about the questionable fairness of the convictions, although I think the general consensus is still that all three of these people and any “mystery man” involved should rot.
You can tell by their busted up faces in the mugshots that the other inmates didn't take too kindly of them
Meth use causes that too.
That poor, sweet little girl. May she rest in peace. Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️
I'm from Albuquerque, and this case shocked and horrified us all.
This case is extremely disturbing. All these people have ended up losing their humanity and a little girl has lost her future. What happened to them? Why have they turned into these monsters? Was being high on drugs worth this???
5:39, we've just committed a horrific act against a murdered child...time for a nap! What fkng demons.
Crazy parents. Wth? I can’t believe what I’m hearing. Drugs lead to serious depravity.
There are many many people out there take taking and even abusing drugs that do nothing like this!
Making the drugs responsible is your easy-way-out. Some people are just that depraved and they dont need any drugs to become and behave like that.
always crazy how ppl think that drug use is a victimless crime
That mother invited man to rape her daughter.
But sure, keep your scapegoat.
It wasnt the drugs... It was the people and the lifestyle... If they could purchase the drugs in a controlled pharmacy this wouldn't have happened... Apparently there really was a mystery man who came in the apartment and raped and strangled the little girl. They found semen on the girls body and it didn't match Fabian's.
It never is. Drug abuse has far reaching effects on the whole community as well as those close
To the user.
RIP Beautiful babygirl.😔
i like how respectful you talk about cases
“You can deny reality but not escape the consequences of denying reality.”
Happy i could watch a nice speculation before 7am here in South Africa before I have to go work. Thank you Dr Grande
“She gave her methamphetamine to calm her down.”
Umm…yeah…i don’t think that would work out too well.
Strangely enough, it just might work. Amphetamines are given to children who have ADHD. It calms hyperactive kids down. It does the opposite to adults, though.
It was a false confession though
What a beautiful child, and sad, sad outcome. Thank you Dr. Grande, and it must have been hard to analysis what took place.
Fabian's brother was just arrested for killing a guy cus he sped through his neighborhood, please do a video about that evil family as a whole Dr Grande
I am wondering about the role of the school. This couldn't have been an isolated incident. There is almost always a ramping up of acts and there had to have left some kind of physical and/or mental sign on the child. School personnel are obligated to report suspicions of such abuse.
I worked in child protection in Albuquerque for many years and you are correct about teachers being obligated to report suspected child abuse to the department. In fact, although the children's code lists numerous professions that have such an obligation, the whole text states that every citizen has that same obligation.
At the end of every school year, teachers flood the hotline with reports of suspected child abuse in order to cover themselves in the event that some child in their care is determined to have suffered abuse during the school year. These referrals for sknned knees and bruises put an incredible burden on investigative resources, interrupt the lives of many families, and leaving a permanent record on file for injuries that occur normally in the course of normal childhood activities.
You're "speculating about what might have happened in a case like this," without any evidence, and this is why teachers flood the system with referrals every year like clockwork.
The school reported the family because there were concerns. Nothing was done by CYFD. New Mexico ranks in the top 5 states for death of children as a result of child abuse. News in NM is full of children murdered by caregivers. Most of the time multiple reports are made to authorities before a child is murdered.
@@bbilgers8686 CYFD did an investigation. I know that that much was done. CYFD does the investigation, the court makes the decision to remove and the police do the removal from the parents or caregivers. It is never a unilateral effort.
Dr. Grande, I’m impressed with how you ironed out that story
Hello Dr. Grande🤗 Thank you for the new video! I'm really really happy that you're covering this case. So far beyond a tragedy carried out by pure evil. This case is one that always makes my heart sink every single time I hear this sweet angels name🙏💞
I will forever refer to "Plenty Of Fish" as "Pool O F%^kery". Pardon my Patois.
I have a lot of empathy for children. My empathy button is in an off position and/or is limited for adults. Adults can get help easily, children do not have the ability to seek resources for safety as easily. Of course adults can heal and they have the capacity to reason. Children cannot process trauma like adults can. The little girl Michelle deserved a loving home. Thank you 🤔❤🇺🇸
You mean Veronica. Michelle is the evil mother.
@@nhmooytis7058 oh thank you for clarification. I think I maybe studying too much tonight. Have a good night.🤔❤🇺🇸
Her name is Victoria. Victoria Martens.
@@elanahammer1076 you too!
I'm an adult, and I can't get help easily at all, and I seem to have no ability to process trauma. It's so difficult I really just give up most of the time and try to just not think about anything and numb myself.
She gave the kid speed to calm her down. That's logical. This is a fudged up story
Supposedly it does calm people with ADD down, I had a friend whose doctor prescribed it. But it led my friend into cocaine addiction and destroyed his life. Lost his marriage, job, law license, home, health and sanity.
When kids are involved it always hits a certain nerve... Thank you for covering this case so greatly as always Dr. Grande.
And the fact that Michelle admitted she let strange men in to assault Victoria while she watched. That is enough for me right there!!
Agreed. That should be the end of the conversation. Throw away the key.
👏 Extraordinary video Dr. Grande! 👏
This is so unbelievably awful!
Really appreciate your case analysis of all of these horrendous stories!
Thank you so very much! ✨🕊✨
I’m going to listen to this again… Just because your delivery is so smooth.. and comprehendible!
I appreciate your comprehensive analysis.🎩.. Thank you! You make sense out of nonsense… And that’s why I love you so!❤
So many screwed up people out there. We have to be funding our schools better. We have to give police and judges more support.
@@annedenman3312 first and foremost, you have to trust your judges and your police… Wouldn’t that be the first thing that you would want for your community… 🧐
Yeah good luck with that since so many are on the take or, on the down low…
Hey by the way…
My mom was a surgical nurse, and she said, you might wanna reconsider ever marrying a doctor, or a policeman…
And I said why mom?
And she said well,
lovely daughter…😐
They’re about the only two professions that could kill you & get away with murder.😐!
@@annedenman3312 Sometimes, I listen to a song, by a songwriter. His name is Chris Smithers… The song is called. Caveman. Please listen.🪁And be safe wherever you go and be nice to little children and old people and don’t hurt animals and try to walk lightly on planet earth 🌍🌎🌏that’s all that’s asked of us really.. take care of your health, your integrity, and your self-worth!
This is all I know to call my very own!
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@@bthomson ❤️🌹❤️🌹❤️🌹❤️ thank you for saying such a nice thing B.. ❤️🌹❤️🌹 I hope you are doing well and enjoying your day!!!
My mom used to say… Enjoy every day. Even though it’s hard sometimes do your best!❤️
I agree with you Dr G. Also I feel sad for the child.
MD Todd, always appreciate your concise wrap up even on complex cases.
Don't these idiots understand they have the right to remain silent
If we had an ideal justice system then I would support the protection of people like those involved in this case if they are innocent. We don’t have an ideal justice system though do we? Murderers and violent sexual offenders are released from prison and go on to commit more crimes. There is gross injustice everywhere I look. Accordingly, I really don’t care if three horrible people end up in prison. Children need to be protected and if their own mothers won’t do it, and being evil into their homes, they deserve to suffer the consequences, whether it is fair or not. That poor child.
Part of the reason why there is gross injustice is because far too many lawyers (who end up being prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges) are indoctrinated with NeoMarxism. And that little cult is all about defunding police, handicapping the justice system by throwing out bail, etc. and freeing felons because according to the NeoMarxists they're the real victims here. They're victims of racial oppression, etc. Yeah, sure. Meanwhile all the criminals they release continue to commit more crime.
@@MexAm120902 couldn’t agree more.
I think Michelle's claims to having strangers abuse Victoria may coincide with Jessica's story. It's entirely likely that Jessica agreed to let another man (even one of mysterious nature) abuse Victoria, and that man decided to strangle Victoria either with or without Jessica present for it. She of course would be guilty for allowing this man to do this crime, thus giving her a stronger motive to try and dispose of the evidence in the way that she did. What was she gonna do after Victoria was dead? Stopping him is very unlikely, and running just implicates her even further.
Everybody heard about a case in Phoenix Arizona US Marshal deputy that went up to a little girl' bedroom to smell one of her dirty laundry underwear what kind of creep would do that I wonder could he have something to do with Victoria's murder used Marshall deputy would have enough for to go anywhere in the United States Phoenix Arizona is not that far from Albuquerque New Mexico 6 hour drive from Albuquerque to Phoenix would be a I have no idea anybody could ask me this question but think about it Kelly and Fabian have a very long history of being outstanding warrants for similar drug possessions certain you were smart shal could make some of those things go away could he moon was never been watch sexual predator and he had ruled out is computer is PC little girls who do gymnastics so we know Victoria also anticipated gymnastics you make this case even more interesting there's a female judge in Arizona Phoenix family Court dated a pedophile in two states that was her live-in and actually her live-in boyfriend you were created with Moon two Michelle wasn't talk about herself she talked about this judge in her associates it might sound silly weird coincidences have some connections I don't know
And yes it should very well of been Jessica . I think she called someone that liked little girls and she knows who it is and she’s just as guilty .
I was just in Albuquerque on vacation (I'm a big fan of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul); I know bad things happen everywhere but it's weird to hear about the city in such a horrible context so soon after coming back from visiting. Good video as always
So you admit you were there at the time of the crime.
I'm from Albuquerque and the crime is steadily getting worse!!!
They even have statues glorifying drug dealer's. Perfect roll models for all the little kiddies.
@@lynne8755 Those statues, that were donated by the production companies, are of the two actors who played fictional characters in the productions mentioned above. There are no statues that glorify drug dealers, as many people assert. I live in Albuquerque.
@@GradyPhilpott And what do you think of when you see those statues...Drugs and criminals. ABQ's Hallmark.
I often wonder why the grandparents never stepped in to take over the care of Victoria, knowing that their daughter had issues with drugs. At least until Michelle got her act together. It's such a shame that everyone in this girl's life ended up failing her.
I love how well you bring things full circle. Your analysis touched on so many complicated and systemic issues. Very insightful and always feel the bang of you hitting the nail on the head!
These people are all so vile that it is hard to care what happened to any of them. The child is gone.
This case haunts me. What happened to this baby is horrific and unforgivable. Someone needs to pay.
The delusions and outlandish lies of meth-abusers is the stuff of nightmarish legends.
This is the best analysis I have heard regarding this very sad case. Thanks, Dr. G. 😊
Where were the authorities or other adults to notice that Victoria was living in a dangerous situation? There would have been telltale signs, but nobody seemed to care to notice.
Most Child Protective Services workers are P Doe Files themselves.
If you Google the case, you'll see that the family was reported. People were concerned but not enough evidence and due diligence was not performed.
@@bbilgers8686 CPS is either worthless or pedoenablers.
There were CYFD (Children Youth & Families Department) reports made, but nothing ever done to remove her.
A most insane case. I cannot believe it.
I was in high school and living in Albuquerque when this happened. EVERYONE talked about it for weeks. We were so shaken but not surprised either. Albuquerque has extreme poverty and domestic violence problems. It’s so terrible and I’m glad I left that city
This might sound archaic, but aren't parents responsible for their children's welfare? Doesn't responsibility connect to accountability? This mother through her selfishness created for her daughter (a child) an unwholesome and dangerous environment resulting in the abuse and murder of her child. Why the mother is not on death row or in prison for the rest of her life (without parol), is great injustice and a disservice to society.
I live in Albuquerque, I remember this case. It was so sad!
AND her grandparents tried to sue the city… that is rich! Where were they in looking after THEIR grandchild! How did they raise THEIR daughter to look after her child - and not sell her as a sex slave for money so that the mother could do more drugs? What a family!
Not that the mother, and her parents, should carry any less culpability themselves, but what the hell happened that the city’s family services could not bother to respond to multiple calls by the child herself!?!!!! And what is happening with the supposed investigation by the FBI into the city’s family services unit???
Welcome to New Mexico....law suit central.
The Slaughter of a defenseless generation, sickening and furiously unacceptable.
One of the most meshed up stories Ive heard. This is totally the shit ppl do after a few days of no sleep.
This case is so disturbing and continues to become more strange and depressing as time goes on. I’m sick for what happened to this innocent child.
What a terrible outcome for the girl. Great analysis of a sad, complex case again. Thanks Dr G😊🤎🤎
Excellent analysis Dr. Grande! Such a shame 😔 Victoria was a beautiful girl...
This is a Heartbreaking Case! 💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️🧸🧸🧸🧸
Very compassionate analysis. Thank you.
It amazes me how cops dismiss someone saying that they aren’t guilty but are “skeptical” of false confessions.
The fact that she turned her kids home into a flop house for junkies makes her as guilty as the mystery dude. Also, who goes out 4 times in a night (except stressed out junkies looking for a hit) and doesn't even check on their own kid left with a violent criminal.
There is something severally wrong with the system. These acts should be considered life sentence
Love your videos Dr Grande💯 keep up the great work ❗️
Thanks, Doc!
Thank you so much for your analysis in this case. You manage to find a way to make me think in a different way about these cases and I really do appreciate that. We consume so much, but so little at the same time that we base our opinions on headlines and just a fraction of the story. Victoria's death is a horrific and a tragedy and it seems we will never really know what happened in that apartment creating yet another tragedy in this case. RIP Victoria.
Awesome, a Dr grande analysis before bed :)
Excellent analysis
When such things occur, it is hard to believe in the goodness of others.
Great video Dr. T
In so many comments on these videos we see how crimes effect many more people than just the unfortunate ones actually involved! Many neighbors and townspeople are also upset and worried! No one feels safe! Crime is really a terrible thing!