Weapons Tier List Redux W/ Bolt Jamison | Remnant 2
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Today I sat down with @BoltJamison to discuss our thoughts on the current standings for weapons post DLC2 and post Patches. While we're pretty agreeable on the list, I'm sure some people will disagree on some things. Our understanding is coming from a pretty try-hard perspective which is obviously not everyone's wheelhouse.
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Twitter - @Phemeto
Some takeaways: Shotgun, Burst (bow), DoT, and Mod build weapons took a hit. Sustain weapons are king (?).
Timestamps
-- Introductions --
0:00 Gunner's Guild Intro
0:40 Bolt Jamison Introduction
-- Handguns --
2:20 Anguish
6:07 Bolt Driver
7:55 Corrupted Cube Gun
10:40 Corrupted Meridian
12:48 Corrupted Nebula
14:49 Corrupted Rune Pistol
16:56 Corrupted Sorrow
18:45 Cube Gun
20:23 Enigma
22:33 Hellfire
23:25 Nebula
24:54 Sureshot
26:11 Tech-22/ Machine Pistol
27:51 Silverback Model 500/ Magnum
28:40 Repeater Pistol
30:01 Rune Pistol
30:44 Rupture Cannon
32:00 Service Pistol
32:32 Double Barrel
33:28 MP-60/ SMG
33:48 Sorrow
34:50 Starshot
37:26 Western Classic
38:28 Hand Guns Summary
41:04 Meridian Tiered
-- Long guns --
38:57 Alpha/ Omega
40:19 Aphelion
42:40 Blackmaw AR-47
43:23 XMG57 Bonesaw
44:06 AS-10 Bulldog
45:10 Pulse Rifle
45:45 Coach Gun
47:05 Corrupted Aphelion
47:47 Corrupted Arbalest
48:36 Corrupted Deceit (and Deceit)
50:17 Corrupted Merciless
50:53 Corrupted Arbalest (Re-tiered)
51:15 Corrupted Savior
53:46 Crossbow
54:52 Sparkfire Shotgun
55:50 Royal Hunting Bow
57:52 Crescent Moon
58:15 Sagittarius
59:37 Huntsmaster M1
1:00:23 Wrangler 1860/ Lever Action Rifle
1:00:55 Merciless
1:01:50 Monarch
1:03:17 Monolith
1:05:05 Nightfall
1:06:16 Plasma Cutter
1:07:17 Polygun
1:08:07 Repulsor
1:08:55 Savior
1:10:30 Ford's Scattergun/ Shotgun
1:11:07 Widowmaker/ Sniper
1:11:40 Sporebloom
1:13:07 Starkiller
1:14:17 Thorn
1:16:00 Chicago Typewriter
1:16:40 Trinity Crossbow
1:18:18 Twisted Arbalest
1:25:30 Deceit Tiered
1:19:47 List complete
1:19:50 Phemeto | Opinions on what to nerf (Monolith)
1:20:30 Phemeto | Nebula bugs need to be fixed
1:21:08 Phemeto | Opinions on what to nerf (Anguish)
1:21:47 Phemeto | Opinions on what to buff (Thorn)
1:22:38 Phemeto | Opinions on what to buff (Corrupted Sorrow & Sorrow)
1:26:22 Phemeto | Opinions on what to buff (Meridian)
1:23:05 Bolt Jamison | Opinions on what to nerf (Monolith)
1:23:23 Bolt Jamison | Opinions on what to nerf (Plasma Cutter)
1:23:56 Bolt Jamison | Fix Nebula
1:24:04 Bolt Jamison | Opinions on what to buff (Sorrow)
1:24:04 Bolt Jamison | Opinions on what to buff (Trinity Crossbow & Crossbow)
1:24:45 Everything in the B-tier is fine to use
1:25:45 About Crescent Moon
1:26:30 Some ideas on how bottom tier weapons could be buffed
1:28:22 Suggestion: Ramp up damage for Heat Weapons
1:29:00 Afterwords & Disclaimers
1:30:47 Outros
1:31:16 Future tierlist vid teases on Melee weapons, Archetypes, and Builds
Dot builds aren't suffering as much as Phemeto thinks.
Comment needs to be pinned. great stuff dude
hah thanks for the timestamps, I was not going to go through it all. is that AI timestamping?
@@Phemeto I did it manually, doing it along as I watched through the whole vid.
@@ashenwoodaxe1055 amazing, thank you so much
Before seeing the full list, I'd personally only put 3 weapons in S-tier: Anguish, Nebula, and Monolith. Anguish is just ridiculous and plays like every gun build but better, and Nebula and Monolith are the best support weapons in the game for so many builds.
Overall, I think that pure gun builds just don't feel very strong when things like Anguish or mod/skill spam builds can achieve such high DPS without needing to aim, reload, think about ammo, etc. IMO crit and weakspot trinkets need maybe 25-50% of what they lost in the nerf back, or firearms might need a slight damage bump across the board because it just feels wrong that using guns as your primary source of damage is probably the least effective playstyle at the moment.
Your reason for nerfing something doesnt make sense. Jus because something is the best doesnt mean it needs a nerf
Massive nerfs in pve games will always be one of the dumbest things ever.
🤡🤡🤡
@@JohnDoe-pu5gk wait are you saying I’m a clown because I don’t like massive nerfs over games? Come on man use your words . How does this bother you? Why did this trigger you? Are your emotions on the internet valid? Who hurt you?
@Covenantofblood U said massive nerfs in pve games will never be a good thing lmao . Remnant 2 is built around it being balanced for everything, hence why the op af guns got nerfed. Stay mad.
@@JohnDoe-pu5gkand comprehensive skills are needed when reading. A massive nerfs not all nerfs are bad. And this falls back on bad development, you work on a game and play test it for years and don’t think players are going to use the mechanics you put in the game ? Also it’s a pve game! It’s not like this is PvP breaking. Gamers like you are ok with developers calling you stupid, they think you’re literally not developed mentally enough to put these builds together that THEY put in the game and when gamers do put them together they slap you in the face for your hard work. You buy a game to play it your way but they get mad when you play the product that you bought the way that you want. And you said mad! You literally don’t know a single thing about me you don’t know my favorite show or food or anything yet you claim I’m anger when you decided to come under a old comment and put clown faces. Projecting your anger on the internet is usually a sign of a sad and unsatisfying life. And that’s fine for you but don’t come for me and you don’t know me at all. An intelligent debate about the subject is always welcome but acting like a 5 year old over a discussion about a video game on the internet is pathetic. Enjoy kid
@@JohnDoe-pu5gk they deleted my reply probably bc it hit home so much and got reported. In short, you’re emotion on the internet replying to an old comment lol can’t even comprehend the biggest part which is massive nerfs. The devs did a poor job of play testing then get mad at the consumers who now own the product and they want to change how they play. Then people like you call people like me angry when there was no anger at all just a simple statement. You literally don’t know me from a fly on the wall to a senator. But you can tell me about my emotions over a month old comment on a video game on the internet? lol this generation is beyond cooked. Nice try kid go stalk other old comments and troll them. Lame
I do keep hoping those sweeping nerfs, like they said in the patchnotes, also were part of preparing for the overhauled shard system the "paragon" system they talked about
Patiently wait for them to add Ice weapons again like that one gun from the first Games Third DlC.
Honestly, for an early RFTA player who made the whole game and bought all the DLC... when I compare the two games in relation to content, quality-price including the DLCs.... I expected so much better from Remnant 2, and if they don't make up for it for the third DLC I think I'll skip the rest of the series... Really, I take R2 as the minimum acceptable for a sequel to the excellent one that was the first one, especially taking into account the change of generation for consoles
Resium was my favorite world. I enjoyed corvus as well.
@@trollsubversif2902 Remnant 2 is missing so much from what made the first game great, it's kinda crazy tbh.
I at the least expected all the weapons from RFTA to return.
Lol enigma B tier? Are we playing the same game?
My greatest regret with Remnant 2 is that all the good weapons are boring and all the cool weird weapons suck ass.
Anguish? The cool charge-shot self-damage-shotgun portion of it is pointless and the boring as fuck generic SMG mod mode is godlike. Nebula? Hideous fart gun that feels like shit to actually shoot.
It is *criminal* that Polygun, Thorn, Arbalests, etc that do Weird Shit are just so bad. There really need to be some buffs at some point... and some ranged/mod double dips so that ranged builds have literally *any* use for mod generation beyond the occasional Song of Eafir.
Thorn can hit for over 17000 with the right build
It has been pretty obvious since release that my playstyle is a bit different than both of yours. For the most part however, there isn't much I disagree with. Maybe minor changes here and there but with the experience comes solid points made on all accounts. A couple thoughts I had that feel notable:
- Corrupted cube gun = trash, great call there, this as an idea will never work because it overheats in 2 seconds and the mod is pointless
- Sorrow is actually amazing on a detonation trigger mod build as the loop from shots into the mod is very fluid and it not only deals solid damage but heals you significantly. Other than that it is useless, but that one build is incredible
- Corrupted arbalest is amazing on a mod build. No not really mod spam, but the ability to explode off of tracking bullets is top notch. Paired with another duration based mod its not only very fun but powerful as well.
- Arbalest you guys hit the nail on the head. Really good mod power, but the way you need to use it with marking leads to slower and worse gameplay overall.
- Anguish is definitely busted. Odd that it went from being complete garbage to the best handgun for mod builds.
- Monarch I think is the best gun in the game, just for usability sake, I mean tracking is really valuable, hard to not give that an S.
- Corrupted savior I think is even worse than you guys placed it. The audacity to take a hardcore reward that then needs corrupted and nerf everything about it is nuts.
- Savior I think it's reload is terrible and just a bow with a reload. Never resonated with that gun although the damage is great regardless.
- Sparkfire actually might be S tier for me, since running it with maelstrom as the mutator is infinite mod regen. I mean it is so fast probably better than anything we have at the moment.
-Polygun and thorn are gimmick weapons. Polygun especially just sucks and needs a major overall of its mechanic. Longer bar, no decrease when not firing, higher damage. It is a mess. And Thorn is super fun massive numbers that has terrible sustain.
I HEAVILY agree with nerfing both the stackability of sandstorm and firestorm. For long time players we just get bored when those two things are all you can use as it buffs builds by probably 50% right now. No I don't think nerfs are good most often, but man the sandstorm is not fair at all to the game itself. At least firestorm damages you, the sandstorm is just free win button that can cover
the entire screen. The main problem with the games current state is... why try any actual fun gun build when a single mod use is instantly regened, debuffs the enemy, can be stacked, and
reaches across the entire screen. Nerfing crit wasn't even that bad really for the games health, but nerfing crit on guns, and then making it even easier to crit for skills and mod spam was a massive fumble that needs remedied asap. Fun discussion overall. Thought it was interesting for even a long time Remnant fan.
Yesss, please do an archetype tier list soon. Rate them as standalones and at how well you think they can pair with each other. Maybe rate them in terms of HC viability as well.
Only have 400 hours but I would strongly disagree with placing corrupted arbalest in d tier. As it stands its the only mod/explosive primary with a self fueling duration. I was running it pre mod nerf as a primary for corrupted meridian/starshot and it survived without loss if DPS. Since it links mod damage with fire rate it scales with haste and rof and allows bandit exploitation. You arent going to get much over 2K with it in the driver seat but it has 100% uptime and is braindead self aiming and if you do have any boss with multiple hit locations it will overlap explosions and hit 4K.
I'm really not a fan of the lot of the relic fragment nerfs and spread reduction nerfs. Instead of playing this cat and mouse game, they should just put a cap on it to have the reticle be half an inch or somewhere around there and put spread reduction back to how it was so i don't keep investing more just to get back how it used to be or make it have diminishing returns.
Bolt Driver is also bugged atm with ammo mods. It’s not scaling mod damage properly so when that gets fixed it’ll be even more lethal.
Is funny how the hell 🤣 this people ask for nerfs when we already got the whole game nerf ! This is funny and ridiculous at the same time! Instead of asking for nerfs , ask for buffs , and don't talk bad opinions and ideas that doesn't help the game at all 😒
I'm curious if some of the D tier stuff could still work, as in it will get you through certain difficulties just not as efficiently as the S tiers? Some of them I hope get some love. The corrupted cube gun for instance is a really unique fun type of gun that I still enjoy using for the fun reason alone. Its a PvE game at the end of the day, I hope nerfs are light and buffs are plentiful.
I think most stuff in the game can get you through all content probably decently easy. Just depends on how well the rest of your build is that’s tied to it. S tier just makes it feel easy doing so.
Also, I have a class with the meridian in D tier that slaps. Put that pressure point mutator on it and spam the mod and it destroys things in close to medium range. 3-4k dps
I believe sorrows mod counts as explosion. In an archon/summoner its mod is decent. Havent used it since 2 patches ago however so it could've changed.
Was that ragnarok online BGM playing in the background?
Well that is a very good list and well moderated. Love the fixes you guys have for the weapons.
Would love to hear an explanation on why Phemento thinks Sandstorm and Firestorm shouldn’t stack with itself. Isn’t he constantly complaining about how mod builds are in trouble? And you want to nerf the only way to get damage without swapping? Lol
I’m watching this because after over 100 hours I’ve never stopped using the AR-47 & the gun-legally-distinct-from-a-1911.
I’m optimistic that you’ll convince me to level and try guns I’ve overlooked.
Arbalist benefits from top heavy
And can bounce to hit bosses a couple of times now.
Great at clearing adds too.
Corrupted Nebula can be built around so S Tier xD
Currently suffering from some severe bugs. It's an awesomely unique weapon so it's a shame. The dot is not scaling with mod damage.
@@meathir4921 the explosion alone is worth A tier. I have a video using it with Starkiller and BOOM!
How many of the S weapons are DLC only?
What was the point of inviting those guys on if you were just going to talk over them the entire time?
This is the fact he still calls mags "clips". Calls himself the gunner's guild but says the most goober stuff sometimes and then has guests that just exist because homie likes to hear his own voice
I'm new to the game . Thank you for doing a new tier list. The ones I listened to were 8 months old I had no idea they rebalanced till I noticed weapons that were supposed to. Be amazing came off as meh. And of the weapons Ive used I agree
oh man I miss unstable quills
I have been using the lever action over the huntsmaster, even on apocalypse, but it feels like it misses the followup shot way too often on normal mobs, no idea if it's a skill issue, weapon issue or if it's the console port aiming in this game being a tiny bit off compared to other games i play.
Hi, thank you for great content! Is this tier list still valid?
Corrupted merciless has some of the highest single target for the large weakspot bosses, and honestly does decent damage on everything else, and corrupted arb while not great single target on bosses with multiple hit boxes like OTK it absolutely outpreforms most other guns
Great video, lots of good points, agree with everything
Please do an archetype list. Maybe tier them in pairs?
To be honnest i agree with most ranked exept for corrupted rune pistol this handgun should be A tier to me at least cause the mod is pretty good overall,good magazine size,saled damages,it's clearly not to compare of the regular rune pistol, it's just i can rely and put it everywhere it's a pretty good versatile handgun.
U could put corrosive mutator instead of nebula and its the same thing. I dont get it? Yeah the mod is good but using it only for the corrisive doesnt make sense to me
I can’t put down the MP60. I know tech22 is superior now due to changes in spread, but it’s just my favorite. I love the MP7 in so many games and this gun just reminds me of it. Plus it at least has a little stagger where tech22 feels like a water pistol in that regard sometimes. Also if you had fire rate slotted in your fragments anyway (since fire rate is king right now), it can shred. Just my opinion.
Corrupted rune pistol can have corrosive mutator and the mod. Which is better than jus the corrosive from nebula
I'm still doing over 5K per weakspot crit with the crescent moon with ankh of power, of all things! Double that using the mod. I think it's still A tier, but definitely not as good/easy as it used to be. I do feel it needs a base damage buff..... or at least a better weakspot modifier (but I'd prefer the base damage buff for sure). 1:26:00 Wait, how are you getting 100% charge speed and auto perfect shots?
Feathery binding.
The Bulldog being C hurts my soul. It's literally my main.
Why? Lol it's one of the worst guns.
Bulldog shotgun used to be a tier before the great shotgun nerfening
Did y’all miss spark fire?
Advocating nerfs on weapons in a strictly PVE game is baffling to me. Most challenge players don’t use meta or S tier weapons to begin with if they are seeking said challenge. Additionally any form of balance is only temporary until the devs stop updating. When that occurs then whatever “balance” is present is permanent. Pro support for constant balance changes in a finite lifespan game that isn’t a live service establishes a dangerous mindset for the developers in over tinkering with items up until they push the last content pack then move onto another project stranding the game’s gear and weapons in whatever bastardized form they may be in at that moment. So advocating reduction in performance has lasting effects for literally every player. Please stop voting to nerf.
There are a lot of reasons to nerf though:
1 Co-op is awful with people who use the most meta builds and destroy everything. You want to retain a player base, not drive away people who feel a big aspect of your game is frustrating because everyone just invoker/ritualist or archon havoc form spams
2. When a person picks up a gun, you want them to feel powerful using it or at least enjoy the feeling enough to be okay not using another gun that is 50 times better. Having guns that are obviously miles ahead kills the spirit of a game that is about collecting items and trying different weapons
3. Bugs, not everything works as intended
Thit shithead mentality I've seen over and fuckin' over and it's RUINED, absolutely destroyed variety in so many games. It makes me sick. I miss the days of games that had multiple avenues to break the game. Borderlands 2 did this best. Then with 3 they went with the nerf everything good mentality. That's just one of many. I just picked Remnant 2 up and I'm already livid that this is another example of a nerf heavy developer. FFS it's a PVE game where you grind out the same content ad nauseum. Just let everything be strong and broken, it's the reward for grind.
@@Joshua-do3goyou talk about variety while wanting everything to be overpowered and busted...typical brain dead Remnant 2 player, just wants the game to play itself without any challenge whatsoever.
Things I disagree with:
Hellfire mod dot is amazing in fire dot ENC builds. Unfortunately Firestorm is objectively better (and I think Heatwave does too). Starshot obviously crushes them all but you can't loop it.
Repeater Pistol isn't bad, but it has no niche. Same with Service Pistol. What build is ever running these? Even Western Classic can synergise with Outcast Ring single shot builds.
Jus because something is the 'best' doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed
i feel Thorn is around c+ tier but the rest do i agree on but that is just my hot take :)
plasma cutter in S tier? that’s craaaaaazy. thing always feels super bad to play with. the range for it is abysmal too.. if you’re not hugging the enemy then it just feels bad. i’d love to know how you get it to work so well! did the recent patch really make this thing that good? after 1000 hours, i’ve never liked the thing, so hopefully you can turn me on to it! great vid! 😎
No introduction? This is normal because quality content is self-recognizable and does not need to be praised beforehand.
I'm kidding (It's as if you were served a good meal but without appetizer, drink or dessert... well, in fact it's just a good plate, but it's no longer a good meal!!! (Catch the diff i hope), and just to know why ask someone else's opinion if not to listen only to yours?
I have 400hrs playtime :(
Because I play multiple games currently..
There's no way crescent moon only get a B. I can defeat the apco annihilation in 49s😅😅
Asking for nerfs is cringe. This isn't even a live action / mmo. No leaderboards, nothin'.
Don't take my easy mode away, the only way I know how to play this boring game!!! 🤡
Yall do know there is 3 remnant games right? Chronos before the ashes is the first game
D polygun is also a joke.I can defeat the apoc annihilation in 59s😅😅😅
Sagittarius mod is still ass imo
бурги в своих рейтингах под смешками и тупыми наигранными шутейками впаривают своей аудитории какой то мусор. промотав в конец и посмотрев для примера как они луки раскидали сразу было понятно что жирдяю безразлично что он вообще делает.