This update revealed the actual good players from the garbage. More than half of the player base heavily relied on back dash to save them from almost anything
backdashes is a garbade i agree. but the m1 fients deal WAY too much damage. I think they should reduce the true damage and increase the healable damage
finally a person who's like me, I'll find myself having to predict m1 and feints since the dashes are bad, can't double dash because of the same reason, and counter now is so common you'd get an average of 5-10 per bar of health, that's crazy.
@_Waluigi he says it all the time because it's completely true, the games combat has changed so much that trying to use PD's as your main damage output has been completely negated despite being the main source of damage in the past
Just met a shotgun player this morning, if you double barrage during pd apparently you can use your M1's and M2's with it... That was stronger than my ult as a whole dawg 😭😭😭
I can see peoples frustrations with the m1 feints, but having it gives you a chance against reaction/good ping gods. Now to be fair, last time I played was 5/6 months ago when wolf was considered good and Hawk around that time didn’t have a back dash, so I only remember how annoying it was fighting passive players and how impossible it was to fight reaction gods. I feel like M1 feints are good for the game. You can’t spam it cause it has a hidden cooldown. I get the frustration but it’s better than nothing in my opinion. Only time feints feel absolutely aids is when fighting against a counter style
I fought a really cool player who could dodge all of my feints, so I think it might just be a skill disparity to predict feints and not double dash them for free. Net positives of the current state of the game are: The pace of the game is much faster, backdash isn’t a true escape option anymore, double dash is removed, perfect dodging is much more reliable on high ping, various cheese techs have been removed (R.I.P. Actionless Ghost Jab Guardbreak), separate perfect dodge timers so both players can dodge attacks. Bullet might be an issue at my level of play because of the high m1 feint counter bonus. I really think the game is in a better state than ever with the difficulty of perfectly balancing everything and not making the game too stale. The addition of feints means that players with better ping may not win every single interaction.
hands low is a little bit above counter because having greater dash, speed, attack speed is just better for me than thicker block and better damge. i would just dance around and take over my opponent and its so fun ( but the ult is trash ngl )
I mean, I feel like the buff to switch hit in terms of no perfect dodge works given that you're using static. Cause he's able to see everything coming like he did against Miyata.
@enigmatic-wg8vq ☠️☠️😭😭 but still, it's my fav style, and i will be with him. Whatever happens to him, I will be a man about whom they will write a legend 🥶🥶🏆
Freedom is Flexible. Smash is just a one style Meanwhile Freedom is basically 3 Styles but you have to actually master between when to switch and how to use them.
wolf's main playstyle atm is very counter-centered in terms of actually going for wins he does have the "rush in and slam your head on the keyboard" which is somewhat reliable, but my friend who uses counter can easily read me and just.. counter everything the more methodical way of using wolf is going for m2 counters- which let you land your m1 chain for free (and also your wf at the end, on your decision depending your opponent reads it)
This list is kinda of a joke on some styles due to the win rates and use rates, freedom at C tier? Bruh, say that to it's extremely high win rate for just spam dashing and people are not switching in freedom and just using hitman or smash mode and never change, freedom is A tier, but for shotgun... Got nerfed a lot but due to its ability to spam dash, B. And wolf and turtle in A? Is this some joke? They nerfed wolf to the ground that they removed all it's combos and have end lag on everything and turtle got nuked to C tier as they rework it to a Nerf, old turtle is A tier but now it's C, and wolf is B, and choros at B... Do you need a quick look at rank to know why even if choros is stats wise bad but has a lot of people using it... Cuz it can spam dash, basically all spam dashing styles are meta in the game, A tier, and the last one... Charge.... Excuse me what? The style that suffers from a bad ability and has a one side M2 and can't back dash or spam dash anymore? Do i say more? B tier
Well as an Ippo main When you do a m1 chain then suddenly use m2, some of my opponents can perfect dodge the m2 For some reason, they have a struggle doing the same when I use Charge. Another point is that Charge have slightly faster punches, making it easier to catch opponents in an m1 chain than Ippo
I feel like shotgun should be in a or b tier atleast didn't think it would be the worst style in the game because i almost haven't lost a SINGLE match with shotgun except like 2 or 3 and mind u these people most of the time had higher kills than me so i would likely put it in b tier the least and let me tell u i also haven't lost a single time since its nerf so i kinda got confused with it being bad and i can deal with these nerfs most of the time
Freedom the "worst style" in the game. No just no. freedom is arguably the best style in the game feints make freedom just the most unpredictable style in the game its only weakness is the fact that iron fist annilates freedom
I think most of this is spot on, it’s just that, hands low’s base m1 damage is really uhm, disappointing to say the least. I agree with counter, I feel like hawk should be S, because usually they don’t need to back dash unless it’s like a shotgun double barrage.
Hey off topic can someone explain to me the forward momentum that was removed for m1 feints? I keep hearing people complain on how they removed it but I just came back recently
Basically a week or so before m1 feints got added drowning added this game mechanic called momentum. Essentially, when you dashed you could attack straight away without endlag; alongside to not having the endlag of the dash, your attacks were slightly faster than your normal attacks. The downsides of these momentum attacks are that you would've gotten extra endlag if you missed and you dealt slightly less damage (I don't remember if you got a bit more counter damage if you messed up though)
i'm honestly glad backdash got nerfed, i swear i've lost to much elo to passive diamonds / world champs its not even funny, can't even catch up to them if they have a style with good dashes
Idk if im happy or pissed my main (counter) is considered meta cause the whole point for me using counter is so im not called a meta slave ToT Edit: feints don't really help with counters if your opponent is smart enough to not throw a punch after dodging. Speaking from experience after fighting multiple passive corkscrews in the new update
This update gave people easy access to any mode at any time But it is slower than before to act immediately because i think the mode switch have cool down where you are actionable but can’t actually attack(or maybe it is just my fingers not moving fast enough)
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This update revealed the actual good players from the garbage. More than half of the player base heavily relied on back dash to save them from almost anything
backdashes is a garbade i agree. but the m1 fients deal WAY too much damage. I think they should reduce the true damage and increase the healable damage
As a shotgun main that plays this game a lot, the dash nerf and feints make the game 1000 times more challenging for me 😭
finally a person who's like me, I'll find myself having to predict m1 and feints since the dashes are bad, can't double dash because of the same reason, and counter now is so common you'd get an average of 5-10 per bar of health, that's crazy.
@@Vitemcpipe it's good people can't rely on brainless double dashing to get out of dangerous situations.
@carljohanson3895me when my opponent abuses backdash and double dash while I can't because of ping
That just means you're garbage
"In a feint-based meta"
yeah that's what he said in the video, what's the point of reiterating it? because this is just, stupid
@@theonlym1kken he says it so many times in his tier videos
It's true, light feints are so obnoxiously powerful and spammable
@_Waluigi he says it all the time because it's completely true, the games combat has changed so much that trying to use PD's as your main damage output has been completely negated despite being the main source of damage in the past
There’s 2 things I hate in this game feints and ghost
Just met a shotgun player this morning, if you double barrage during pd apparently you can use your M1's and M2's with it... That was stronger than my ult as a whole dawg 😭😭😭
it does 90%
I'll be sure to try this now (I don't have shotgun)
@waleter they know.
that is bug abuse sir
@ 🤫
I can see peoples frustrations with the m1 feints, but having it gives you a chance against reaction/good ping gods. Now to be fair, last time I played was 5/6 months ago when wolf was considered good and Hawk around that time didn’t have a back dash, so I only remember how annoying it was fighting passive players and how impossible it was to fight reaction gods. I feel like M1 feints are good for the game. You can’t spam it cause it has a hidden cooldown. I get the frustration but it’s better than nothing in my opinion. Only time feints feel absolutely aids is when fighting against a counter style
I fought a really cool player who could dodge all of my feints, so I think it might just be a skill disparity to predict feints and not double dash them for free.
Net positives of the current state of the game are: The pace of the game is much faster, backdash isn’t a true escape option anymore, double dash is removed, perfect dodging is much more reliable on high ping, various cheese techs have been removed (R.I.P. Actionless Ghost Jab Guardbreak), separate perfect dodge timers so both players can dodge attacks. Bullet might be an issue at my level of play because of the high m1 feint counter bonus. I really think the game is in a better state than ever with the difficulty of perfectly balancing everything and not making the game too stale. The addition of feints means that players with better ping may not win every single interaction.
you're just feinting too much
Thanks Trife!
hands low is a little bit above counter because having greater dash, speed, attack speed is just better for me than thicker block and better damge. i would just dance around and take over my opponent and its so fun ( but the ult is trash ngl )
The game's title should be changed to "untitled perfect dodge game"
untitled guessing game
actually chronos’s base stat got a pretty high counter multiplier
@@thuantuyet7803 only on m2s and its around as much as hands low
@ still pretty good for m1 feints tho :)
@@thuantuyet7803 its capped
@ aw dang it
I mean, I feel like the buff to switch hit in terms of no perfect dodge works given that you're using static. Cause he's able to see everything coming like he did against Miyata.
shotgun really went from "prodigy" to "expire" 😭😭😭
Its a canon event
@enigmatic-wg8vq ☠️☠️😭😭 but still, it's my fav style, and i will be with him. Whatever happens to him, I will be a man about whom they will write a legend 🥶🥶🏆
Why you put the Freedom in tier C? And the smash is in tier A?? Freedom have 3 style have the SMASH too, isn't same??
Freedom is Flexible.
Smash is just a one style
Meanwhile Freedom is basically 3 Styles but you have to actually master between when to switch and how to use them.
80 hp + smash mode has worse dashes + less raw m1 damage + you wont have constant access to smash + worst block in the game on its main mode + 80 hp
@@khmasterva6919 i mastered the switching style, it depends to the player who playing good at the game even using the worst style
It's ironic that feint is basicly made to counteract dashing, and now feint became the problem.
kimura in B?!?! thats wild
-a kimura main
LMAOOOO I hear you, I main corkscrew and kimura. But kimura is much more enjoyable
@@IndifferentSpite thas js u cork is goated
@rhavols I'm average at best man
@@IndifferentSpite r u passive cz I main cork too
My only problem is that im really bad at fighting against m2 and m1 feint spamming iron fist but thats my skill issue
wolf's main playstyle atm is very counter-centered in terms of actually going for wins
he does have the "rush in and slam your head on the keyboard" which is somewhat reliable, but my friend who uses counter can easily read me and just.. counter everything
the more methodical way of using wolf is going for m2 counters- which let you land your m1 chain for free (and also your wf at the end, on your decision depending your opponent reads it)
This list is kinda of a joke on some styles due to the win rates and use rates, freedom at C tier? Bruh, say that to it's extremely high win rate for just spam dashing and people are not switching in freedom and just using hitman or smash mode and never change, freedom is A tier, but for shotgun... Got nerfed a lot but due to its ability to spam dash, B.
And wolf and turtle in A? Is this some joke? They nerfed wolf to the ground that they removed all it's combos and have end lag on everything and turtle got nuked to C tier as they rework it to a Nerf, old turtle is A tier but now it's C, and wolf is B, and choros at B... Do you need a quick look at rank to know why even if choros is stats wise bad but has a lot of people using it... Cuz it can spam dash, basically all spam dashing styles are meta in the game, A tier, and the last one... Charge.... Excuse me what? The style that suffers from a bad ability and has a one side M2 and can't back dash or spam dash anymore? Do i say more? B tier
Its hard to nerf something, without making it utter garbage
Charge better than ippo? im not sure i can agree with u on that one
Well as an Ippo main
When you do a m1 chain then suddenly use m2, some of my opponents can perfect dodge the m2
For some reason, they have a struggle doing the same when I use Charge. Another point is that Charge have slightly faster punches, making it easier to catch opponents in an m1 chain than Ippo
@@dr.doctor4878 plus you can hit Chagre's ability Way more consistently than ippo's
Charge can whiff punish with stampede and you will be put in a situation where you can’t immediately counter attack nor dash spam
Charge got slightly better stats than ippo
dempsey has counter in take during the rev
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use that one avatar catalogue editor game
I feel like shotgun should be in a or b tier atleast didn't think it would be the worst style in the game because i almost haven't lost a SINGLE match with shotgun except like 2 or 3 and mind u these people most of the time had higher kills than me so i would likely put it in b tier the least and let me tell u i also haven't lost a single time since its nerf so i kinda got confused with it being bad and i can deal with these nerfs most of the time
Freedom the "worst style" in the game.
No just no. freedom is arguably the best style in the game feints make freedom just the most unpredictable style in the game its only weakness is the fact that iron fist annilates freedom
Freedom just aint built for M1 feints.
Eh kinda with double dashing getting eliminated males whirlwind pretty much useless aside from the swayback
Counter exists, mate. Freedom m1 feints? EASY reads and now you get countered, wanna know smth else that's funny? Freedom takes so much counter dmg.
npc argument
The best style to get your fragile guard shredded, agreed
I think most of this is spot on, it’s just that, hands low’s base m1 damage is really uhm, disappointing to say the least. I agree with counter, I feel like hawk should be S, because usually they don’t need to back dash unless it’s like a shotgun double barrage.
Hey off topic can someone explain to me the forward momentum that was removed for m1 feints? I keep hearing people complain on how they removed it but I just came back recently
Basically a week or so before m1 feints got added drowning added this game mechanic called momentum. Essentially, when you dashed you could attack straight away without endlag; alongside to not having the endlag of the dash, your attacks were slightly faster than your normal attacks. The downsides of these momentum attacks are that you would've gotten extra endlag if you missed and you dealt slightly less damage (I don't remember if you got a bit more counter damage if you messed up though)
@ would’ve loved to have played before they removed it. That would make catching passive players so much easier.
Idk if i should use my style slot or trade it idk how to use it!
Why did you delete the other vid???
processing errors
@@ItsTrifeoh i was hyped about the vid and then it says ( deleted) 😅
im getting used to dodging the m1 feints its fun
i'm honestly glad backdash got nerfed, i swear i've lost to much elo to passive diamonds / world champs its not even funny, can't even catch up to them if they have a style with good dashes
Broski underrated chronos tbh
Idk if im happy or pissed my main (counter) is considered meta cause the whole point for me using counter is so im not called a meta slave ToT
Edit: feints don't really help with counters if your opponent is smart enough to not throw a punch after dodging. Speaking from experience after fighting multiple passive corkscrews in the new update
Bro.. Backdash degration buff is the best blessing i ahve received BRO EVERY AND I MEAN EVERYONE THAT I FIGHT ABUSE BACKDASHES
is Freedom really that bad? Still like it
This update gave people easy access to any mode at any time
But it is slower than before to act immediately because i think the mode switch have cool down where you are actionable but can’t actually attack(or maybe it is just my fingers not moving fast enough)
5:32 LTG? 🤣😂
Brush I'm a shotgun and freedom main and it's so difficult with this meta
DDLC mentioned in trife vids. Now my life is complete
what?
I think the heavy feint m1 was better than m1 heavy feint
I feel like you are over-generalizing the tier list categories, like that is a LOT in S tier.
maybe, might consider B+ A A+ and S
Trife touched me brutally
idk why i like to use counter and ippo
I am happy
-Counter main
You put Chronos in B tier, whole list invalid.
sigma sigma
ngl i quit this game i suck at rank i cant seem to get any better im at a 6200 rating it js sucks
Kimura S tier bro why? cuz its kimura its the best style it beats hand low cuz its kimura
Ty for this video I appreciate it
Can't agree with trickster placement it's too high
I just finished farming its last title
I never missed double dashing so much in my life
Ur a real good youtuber keep up the good work
No way freedom is C Tier
Only 0.0001% to find Turtle user
Cuh I don't think they even exist
Never met a specimen of this almost extinct species.
holy guacamole
Hitman easily the best style , always win if u play at range and good at the game .
Ur a rlly good UA-camr keep going
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Hawk nerf :/
i would really appreciate if bro stopped dancing in his videos (i cant focus cause its making me cringe sometimes idfk)
bro what 😭
Huge L tier list as always
Because he didn't include Freddy Fazber style 🫵🏻