I am Honored to say that I am named after one of the Great Stars in this Classic .My Late Mom Grace was Alan Mowbrays Neice she gave me his Great Name .Told Me of my Famous Roots I looked him up on the internet ten years after I Lost Her He was Born In August I was Born in August ! He died in March my Mom died in March ! I Miss Her an Honored to carry his Great name Thank You Mom an Great Uncle Alan .
I always think it kind when someone takes the time to upload a complete film for the rest of us to enjoy. This is a very good one. You are perceptive with discerning tastes and a thoughtful heart. Thank you. Sincerely from, Laura-Lee (of "Laura-Lee Was Here")
+Laura-Lee Rahn Watched this film again and feel that people don't understand what a valuable thing TIME is and how thoughtful it is for someone to use some to upload a FULL film for others to see. P.S. I hate to be "nit-picky", but the actual name of this film is called: "That Hamilton Woman". Just thought I should mention it in the event people need to do some kind of Internet Search for something regarding it. But you are still VERY thoughtful and I appreciate that it was here for me to watch. Definitely one of Leigh's finest performances. She was an actress that went SO far beyond Scarlet O'Hara (in "Gone With the Wind"). But you 'ain't' seen anything until you've watched her finest role in "A Street Car Named Desire". L-L
Wonderful movie, Leigh & Olivier - both equally exquisite . Born in London and raised in Portsmouth where Nelson's famous flagship H.M.S. Victory remains open to public in the historical Naval Dockyards. As a child i stayed on H.MS Foudroyant another famous galleon mentioned in the movie , organized by my school .. it was an insight to ship life in those days I shall never forget, we slept in hammocks and scrubbed the decks etc. in stormy weather , she was permanently moored out in Portsmouth harbour then. I now live in Toronto and was reminded of the infamous Battle of Trafalgar where the hospital my grandson was born recently bares the same namesake. Thank you so much for posting
A great film- an impossibly Romantic movie, of the sort that cannot be made -ever again. Leigh and Olivier are both wonderful- great performances. The entire cast is marvelous. Great cinematography and set designs, and the Battle of Trafalgar is still one of the great naval battle scenes ever! and then the last lines-" there is no then, there is no after!"
Superb script with an incredible cast bringing it to life. One of the best films I have ever seen surpassing the acclaimed GWTW in my opinion. Builds in power each viewing.
Thank you for uploading a lovely film I always love Vivien Leigh. It is nice to see these Black and Whites so much acting not only in the people but in the atmosphere through the skill of the craftsmen who built the sets.
What a gallant & productive effort the Korda Bros made to create a really viable British 'studio' home for fine actors & creative artists & crews in England and for making stirring films to strengthen spirits in the face of the Nazi threat. It is also worthwhile noting that even before the early WWII date of this movie, they offered their services & made an important contribution to the war effort. Their creative staff were frequently engaged by Churchils top brass -particularly the RAF--in making models of targets for-e.g. pilots & aircrews to study in briefings then larger ones on which to practice low-level bombing runs. As well as proving strategically important it served as a 'quid pro-quo' for being allowed war-limited supplies of set materials.
Admiral Nelson’s victory over Napoleon at Aboukir Bay in Egypt and losing his arm.It was thrill for me to be in Trafalgar Square in 1999- before beginning a New Century.
I do think Vivien Lee was very pretty but my opinion is that Hedi Lamar was the most beautiful woman to ever step into Hollywood. Maybe you don't know her. Very intelligent invented for the military. check out movie Samson & Delilah & if you feel like it look up what she invented regarding missiles
I watched this movie years and years ago on television. It wasn't that exciting to me when I was a teenager. Now, many years later, I see what a wonderful movie it is, both from the performances of Olivier and especially Leigh, and the historical context of trying to get support against Hitler. Reading the "Master and Commander" series by Patrick O'Brian has piqued my interest in the British Navy of the time. The exploits are amazing! The bravery of Nelson was incredible! I think Emma Hamilton must have been an extraordinary person. To have her history and still exhibit such deep feeling after such a soul-crushing youth is unusual. My biggest takeaway from this movie, however, is the beautiful and charming Vivien Leigh. The tavern scene is so wonderful, I have watched it again and again. Thank you to the person who uploaded this good-quality video.
When Nelson died, even though he had commended Emma to England's care for her service to the nation, society turned its back on her. She descended into poverty, and I think spent some time in debtor's prison. She and her daughter moved to Calais, where she died about a year later. On the day of her funeral, the captains of every British ship in the harbor left their post to follow her casket to the graveyard. it was a measure of how much they had loved Nelson and respected the woman he had loved.
I don't want to make you sad,but the church where Emma was buried (in the graveyard in Calais), was bombed in WW2. After the war the site was razed to the ground,and new buildings errected.The graveyard (including Emma's grave) is now under the car~park of the new buildings.Nobody has ever attempted to find her grave,mainly because all records were lost in the bombing of WW2.
Just to add.Nelson had a daughter by Emma,called Horatia. However,although she always acknowledged Nelson as her father,she (for some reason) always denied that Emma was her mother.www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6884289
Piss on the captains. They could have helped her while she was alive and piss on Nelson. He could have divorced his wife and married Lady Hamilton if he really loved her.
Indeed Logos,as he had lived apart from his wife Frances for some years,he could have obtained a divorce and married Emma(As Sir William had died in 1803).As for the captains,well while they could bask in the glory of Nelson all was well.With Nelson dead,they dropped (and ignored) Emma.She was treated very badly. While he was alive the public were titillated by the scandal,but with him gone they treated Emma as nothing more that a high class prostitute.Not a nice way to treat someone who loved (and looked after) a national hero.
To be fair it's not like she had nothing when Nelson died - he left her enough she should have been able to live comfortably (if pretty modestly) for the rest of her life - she just went and spent it all almost immediately. And remember Emma wasn't exactly liked by society. She was regarded as the 'other woman' and a bit of a slut who had slept (or at least stripped) her way to the top. She was then blamed for Nelson's pretty terrible treatment of his wife who he effectively completely abandoned despite Fanny basically coming off as the perfect Georgian wife to most of the public (giving him children, looking after him when he returned wounded from war, looking after his ageing father, being completely devoted to him etc etc). Don't get me wrong, I actually quite like Emma, but it's little wonder given the time she lived in that few were willing to look after her.
I've seen this movie several times as I am a classic movie fan. This one is one of the best about Lord Nelson. I love it. Thank you for uploading this magnificent movie.❤
Viv was simply stunning in this role; vivacious, serene, romantic: 'I'm so cold, frightened!' You can feel the tragedy coming. Olivier was also great as well. Vivien excelled in tragic roles, such as in 'Waterloo Bridge,' and 'Anna Karenina.' She hated stardom seeing it as something false and tawdry. She loved acting for its own sake. Great soundrack by Miklos Rosza, too.
Dave B Thank goodness somebody actually knows what Vivien was all about, she was dedicated to her craft considered herself a stage actor and abhorred the title movie starlet, she even had it written into her contract after GWTW, that if she wasn't allowed to continue working on stage at least 6 months of every year, she would give up making movies forever. You seldom see such a talented and dedicated actor. In my opinion Dame Maggie Smith another dedicated to her craft since leaving review, although she was originally unsure of herself as she started in comedy, in my opinion, she has proven herself a million times over a wonderful powerful actor, who in my opinion originally had the finest training acting comedic roles and dramatic roles in rep, as she appreciated Pathos, to me that is where Maggie has excelled, my favourite two roles of Maggie will always be Judith herne and Graham Greene's Augusta Bertram, two entirely different roles, a true character actor as was Vivien. Vivien has a wonderful expressive face almost like rubber, a face she could change for each reaction shot , that coupled with the ability to convey storyline through her eyes, her passion of performance and her diction, is what made Vivien the magnificent actor she was.
Thanks for this - I'm a great admirer of Lord Nelson's abilities in command, and a great admirer of Winston Churchill, whose favorite movie this was, I believe.
Churchill actually wrote a great deal of the screenplay (uncredited). I expect that he wrote the portion beginning at ~ 30:42, where Sir William Hamilton explains to Emma about the British Commonwealth and its importance to the "balance-line of life". It is said that Churchill viewed this film over 100 times...
This was a wonderful story. I really enjoyed it. I don't agree with how they treated their spouses . That's Life !🎭🎥🎬👏🏾🙋🏽 We all get our just reward at the end. 😘 🤷🏾♀️
The fathers used their daughters like pawns, and marriages were made based on class and expectations, thus very poor (unloving) arranged marriages were made. The daughters were taught to be pure and chaste not for their best health or emotional interests, but to preserve lineages, thus the girls of the rich were unsatisfying wives. This promulgated taking girls from the lower classes trying desperately to escape poverty and starvation. In every way, girls and women from all classes were placed in untenable situations where only the males became the winners and the takers. Lady Hamilton was a key reason Nelson was so successful; she gave access to those things that gave him the military edge. But she was forgotten and left to her own resources when her looks faded and Nelson was gone. Society does not value its females and this is a grievous error.
Well... Nelson had been a naval genius before he started his love affair with emma in 1798 (he was brilliant at st. vincent and abukir) so i wouldn't claim her the reason of his success. Finally she wasn't left on her own, when he died. She got the house (Merton place which Nelson bought for arount 10000 pound) and a pension of 300-500 a year (which is more than enough for a woman with a child to live. Nelson himself lived on less when he was set on halfpay for five years before the revolutionary wars). but she refused to sell the big house or to end her extravangant lifestyle. This has nothing to do with any values of society
@@DhirajKyawal It's the same way *right now*, worldwide. Rich parents arrange marriages, and ally their family with other rich families. **OH, BUT IT'S HANDLED SO MUCH DIFFERENTLY** nowadays, with a Debutante Ball...lol
Я так давно видела этот фильм и он потряс меня.И ведь это не выдумка,все так и было.По профессии я преподаватель английского языка ,работала в университете с людьми уже взрослыми.И когда мы проходили тему Великобритания,я всегда давала студентам задание прочитать дополнительно об адмирале Нельсоне.Они что-то в энциклопедии вычитывали,но никогда ничего не знали о его большой любви.Тогда я им рассказывала о леди Гамильтон.Этот рассказ для них всегда был каким-то открытием.Может сейчас они уже нашли этот фильм и вспомнили наши уроки.
If she was half the woman as the picture here he was so lucky a man to have lived this life of his . What a life it must have been even with it's highs and lows yes a great movie
"That Hamilton Woman (1941)" an Historical Drama based on War & Women Vivien Leigh * Laurence Olivier * Alan Mowbray * Gladys Cooper * Sara Allgood etc.
I love to see Vivien Leigh and Laurence Olivier together. Such chemistry, even tho shortly after this film they started having problems due to her mental issues. Their beautiful love eventually ended in divorce. From what I've read they never stopped loving each other, even tho he married very down to earth, Joan Plowright. He also loved her deeply. What a man!!
Well... she had the money to live, she spent it for nonsense and piled up debts... besides I think a huge part of the Navy, Admiralty and upper- class disliked Emma for what she was and where she came from. They paid her 500 a year and thats it... Nelson was pretty naive writing this.... I mean, he even asked Hardy to take care of her... and they did not like each other at all
@@bevybaby1587 **REALITY CHECK** Emma Hamilton did NOT end her days as a hopeless alcoholic, living on the streets as portrayed in the movie. Read the *EXCELLENT*, well-researched book, "Emma, Lady Hamilton" by Molly Hardwick in The Internet Archive. It reveals that Emma, very oddly, refused a "life-saving" offer from her good friends Mr. and Mrs. George (& Kitty) Matcham, who invited Emma & her daughter to come live with them. The Matchams were planning to leave England soon, and wrote to Emma (quote), "Write [to] us frequently. I offer a joint wish that we may all settle abroad in some city, town or village." (The author remarks that Emma's refusal was "incomprehensible".) Emma's creditors attached the 500 pound annuity left to her by her late husband, which left her broke. Emma fled to Calais with her daughter, but her money was quickly running out. (She was dying, too, of bronchial pneumonia.) Pawnshops & friends helped her through her last days, and yet another friend paid for a good-quality, well-attended funeral. (She was only 50 years old.) Over time, the cemetery was abandoned, and Emma's grave site was lost. A cenotaph is located nearby: www.calais-cotedopale.co.uk/things-do/visits#!/lady-hamilton-582865
Thank you for the upload. I love these old movies but I've never seen this one before. It's a national disgrace that lady Hamilton was left to rot and die alone, after all her diplomatic entreaties. But those were different times and their relationship was a society scandal.
@@Zima49 On the contrary, at the initiative of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, the movie had been donated by producer Alexander Korda for demonstration in the Soviet Union as a token of gratitude for its contribution in the fight against Nazism and was first shown at the Soviet box office on March 23, 1943.
Robert Hanff wow, that is a coincidence!!!!! I was watching the the film as well, I don’t normally watch Day Time TV, but I got hooked into this, and was brought abruptly back to reality, when the first news of the “Twin Towers “ came through. A great pity the Human Race, will never learn from their past mistakes. But the Actors like Olivier and Vivian Leigh were superb.
By the time Lord Nelson met Lady Hamilton he was blind in one eye and was missing an arm. Lady Hamilton was beautiful and voluptuous. When Nelson started his affair with Emma he was forced to leave Naples so he left with both Emma and her husband and they all lived together in the same house so the affair was interesting to say the least. God only knows what went on with those three but Nelson did love Emma deeply.
Love these historical fiction movies..... See also Lloyds of London (w/Tyrone Power & Madeleine Carroll and/or Marie Antoinette with Ann Sheridan and Tyrone Power). England was very proud of their heroes, and glorified them in many of their dramatizations, romanticizing the scandals of private life (a bit familiar even for our side of the pond). Facts behind fiction (skullied from the web): Horatio Nelson , (born September 29, 1758-died October 21, 1805, at sea, off Cape Trafalgar, Spain), was one of many commanders in the wars with Napoleonic France, who won crucial victories in such battles as those of the Nile (1798) where he was killed by enemy fire on the HMS Victory. In private life, he was known for his extended love affair with Emma, Lady Hamilton, while both were married.
I am so amazed at the scenery. Are those real ships? they didn't have digital back then, right? I love how the drawings represent locations like palace etc. This was a wonderfully made movie! thanks for sharing
In fact when this film came out in 1941, the Battle of the Atlantic had reached it's lowest ebb for the Royal Navy with the U-boats well in the ascendant. Hence there was a strong element of defiance and appeal to patriotism throughout the film.
Unless I am mistaken, Nelsons' ship is flying the Red Ensign, the MERCHANT Navy flag. The Royal Navy is white with a red cross and the Union Jack in the top left corner.
No, you are not wrong, but you have reached the wrong conclusion. At that period the Fleet was divided into three Divisions, Red, White and Blue, with the Red being the senior, and each Division wore its own ensign. Thus Nelson's Victory flew the Red Ensign. Only much later in history did the White Ensign become purely RN, the Red Ensign the Merchant Navy flag, and the Blue Ensign that of the Royal Naval Reserve.
Because between the time that Emma & Nelson first meet, and the next time they see each other (5 years later), Nelson lost his arm and the sight of one eye in a naval battle...
If you look closely his right eye is not "fine", it's partially closed. Nelson was not totally blind in that eye, but it was damaged and sensitive to bright light, so he covered it, or wore a green eyeshade in bright sunlight.
what nonsense at 1:19...to have Lady Hamilton saying that "what we are doing is so very wrong"...as if modern middle class morals applied to the British aristocracy then OR now. Married women having affairs was the norm for the British aristocracy, why even today, look at Prince Charles and Princess Diana's marriage and you get a clear idea of what prevails.
+mythicus s lol, marriage is now found in middle-class morals? Yes, what is found(marriage) in the category of the Ethical has been transported to a class within the category of social morality by mythicus. May we ask by what power you've done this miraculous deed mythicus? Now don't be shy mythicus, after all, this is a most remarkable feat you've achieved.
When ever people suggest to me that sexual impropriety is only recently become wide spread I remind them of the numerous bastards in history. Where do you think they all came from?
mythicus s YEAH, LOOK AT THE TRAMP CAMILLA PARKER TAMPON BOWELS, NOW ACCEPTED AND NORMALIZED INTO BRITISH SOCIETY; JUST AS TRUMP, THE LYING, RACIST,C DRAFT-DODGING, FECKLESS, GRIFTER IS NOW DISGRACING OUR WHITEHOUSE. NORMALIZING FILTHY SCUM, SEEMS TO BE ACCEPTABLE IN THE 21 ST CENTURY.
how did you like the explanation when Lady Hamilton asks, "why should England fight this war" (approx. 31:00) and Sir William explains basically British colonialism/Empire, and then "we have to fight those, that want to dictate their will to others" (Napoleon) ; quite ironic, Brits, don;t even think of themselves as doing same as all other conqueror nations, back then. I know , just a movie.
I was thinking the same thing. I was also thinking that, since this movie was released in 1941, the audience would be expected to be thinking of Hitler when the script is referencing Napoleon.
Olivier was much more comfortable and therefore better on stage. He never got used to being in close-up on camera and quite often it shows (esp in "Rebecca", "Henry V", and "The Prince & the Showgirl"). When he made Marathon Man (1976) he asked Dustin Hoffman how HE 'acted in close-up' - and Hoffman said "I don't". Larry was much better after that film
While filming an on-foot chase scene in Marathon Man, DH ran around the block a few times to get completely out of breath. LO asked him why he did that, and DH said to add realism to the scene. LO then said, "My dear fellow...I just pretend."
+tony roberts Actually I was thinking how hard it must be for people now-a-days to realize that is was not that long ago when 99 % of people on the planet did the "right" thing and what a huge scandal it was not just between "Lady Hamilton & Lord Nelson" back in their time, but how many people purposely didn't go to see this film because of the scandal caused by "the Oliviers" because they also had an affair and originally "got together" when they were married to other people as well. Adultery was no "little thing".
+Laura-Lee Rahn and those 99% that did your "right" thing were also 99% happier than those of today who scorn your "right" thing - particularly women. Why, any decent historian can easily explain why "modern" women suffer from so much depression and mental anguish - not too mention the direct correlation to their loss of power and influence the more they don't do the "right" thing. Perhaps, instead of a crusade to continue a revisionist history of the 18th and 19th century , we instead have a refresher course on the Ethical and its relationship to an individual. Then, when that significance has been grasped we can further add an addendum to the course on the category of Modesty and the power it gives to femininity. Perhaps we could do all this....after all, isn't it about time we scrutinized just how much a warped and decrepit aesthetic-based society has debased both Eros and woman?
Wow. Did you say a mouthful. It amazes me how many people inside the Christian church tell women NOT to submit to their husbands. Like submission is a horrible DEvaluing thing. A police officer has the right to arrest me if I break the law. If he were chasing me with sirens blaring and I "pull over", does that make me "less" of a person because I'm "submitting" to his wishes. No. Because ultimately I'm the one who bestowed that power on him in the first place. Same thing with husbands and wives. Being "in charge" doesn't make him a better person, it only makes him more "responsible" for things When there are 3 people you can take a vote; when there are only 2, somebody has got to lead the dance. (and that's my 2 nickel's worth).
I read that Lady Hamilton, Nelson and Lord William lived together at one time. They made quite a strange ménage a trois for the world to see. It was sad her daughter Horatia never acknowledged her, and that she had ample funds to live on, but was so used to the extravagances of being the Queen of Naples and spent it all. Left to die penniless in Calais! Yes, Nelson should have just divorced his wife. It seemed there was nothing between them.. physical, but he was at sea.. but if they had anything love between them.. love letters??
A good movie, because Vivien Leigh a most beautiful and Great Actress, the best excepting the Great Jennifer Jones. So, I very much enjoyed the movie because of Vivien;..however, very disappointed the story at the end and showing her very sad plight, did not at all mention what happened to her baby girl that she'd had with Nelson (Olivier).
Antonio Farinaccio it is a movie of the times ie beginning of ww2, so it’s used as propaganda. It’s a good movie with good performances, very loosely based around a few chosen facts, else is just fiction.
PITY? they did away with rowing the ships officers to and from there ships. . the use of stinking engines not as inspiring or prestigous as a team of rowers. much as the beefeaters kept there uniform the navy should have retained tradition of rowers.
Because on the one hand Emma didn't truly wanted to have children or care for it and on the other it would have been a scandal because the whole of england knew who the father was
Emma Hamilton was a chancer who seduced the naive Nelson with her 'bedroom' antics. He was soon besotted and became a bit of a laughing stock which nearly finished his career. After years of over indulgence she ended up fat and broke and got her just deserts. Nelson's wife fanny was the one wronged. Emma was just a slag. Unlike Vivien Leigh of course who was gorgeous!
Joseph, the movie is pretty accurate in showing Emma's role in helping Great Britain by convincing the Neapolitan king and queen to support the British against Napoleon. She was raised with almost no education, but learned to speak English elegantly. She also learned to speak French and Italian at a level good enough to be accepted by many of the nobles of the continent. I would say that her intelligence was at least a little bit above average. She was known as witty, charming, kind, and down to earth. Emma was a player on the stage of history on her own. There is no doubt that she violated many biblical moral standards. And so did Nelson, and so have you. I have looked at history to find the perfectly moral individuals who have played major roles in making the world a better place. I find that there are very few who have been pure, and the majority who have done the greatest things have been more than a little bit flawed. I am not condoning adultery, just pointing out that attacking Emma Hamilton reveals your own lack of compassion more than her flawed moral character.
@@deezynar I agree with you about the role E. Hamilton played in convicing the neapolitan King and Queen, but I don't think she was the only reason for their support.... very well lets talk about her education, about her intellgence etc... never doubt she was indeed a clever woman, even if im not quite sure whether it shows an extraordianry amount of intelligence to learn a language like French or Italian in an italian Country with a mostly french speaking court/upper-class when you have nothing better to do during 10 years in Naples. But agree on a little bit above average... thats not my main point. Your discription of her is nice and okay, but 'down to earth´'??? Never read anything about Emma, Lady Hamilton, Lord Nelsons Mistress being down to earth and IF she had been, a pension of around 500 Pounds a year would have been enough, even after Lord Nelson died at Trafalgar. I agree with you that there are not many 'perfectly moral individuals' in history... Nelson himself cheated on his wife and repelled nearly all of his friends after starting his affair with Emma... thats not my problem with her. I know the flaws of Nelsons Charakter, as well as Emmas, but the point is, that Nelson is/was still a hero. Even if he threated his wife badly, even if he repelled his friends and refused to attend his own fathers funeral because he did not want to see his wife... he remains a genius. Won battles like trafalgar and abukir and was beloved and respected by his crew, by friends, by the whole of england (well... maybe except for parts of the upper class and Admirality). Emma. on the other hand, did nothing except for being Lord Nelsons Affair, so this is what she is remembered for (and at least she is known today... i mean... how many lovers of Catherine the Great do the average person know by name?). But finally back to your comment... I dont understand why disliking Emma or seeing her as what she was (Lord Nelsons Love Affair with a very bad influence on him and a not that good breeding (which is confirmed by many contemporary witnesses)) reveals any lack of compassion for REAL misery. I mean... I pity Frances (Nelsons Wife) for being treated like that and for losing a husband she still seemed to love, I pity captain Hardy for losing his friend and maybe little Horatia for losing her father and facing a childhood with a 'mother' being imprisoned in debtors prisons twice and developing an alcohol problem... but i can see no reason to pity Lady Hamilton who inherited Merton (the House Nelson had bought for her) and 500 per annum (a First Rate Captain, like f. ex. Captain Hardy, had around 400 a year which could pay for a family, so 500 Pound for a single mother is ENOUGH). Well... as history shows it was not enough for Emma to maintain her extravagant lifestyle and pay around 7000 pounds of debts (which were all made BEFORE Nelson passed, another reason to disagree on Emma being 'down to earth') But thats no reason to pity her, because if you lose the man who is paying for you and your child you HAVE to change your lifestyle a bit. Nelson himself lived for 5 years unemployed and on half pay with his wife and her son from first marrige, so it might be possible (as enough officers of his Majestys Navy did in peacetimes). Emma failed in doing so, just lived on and piled up debts. She could have saled the house and moving with her child somewhere and could have lived a modest but safe life... but apparently that was not Lady Hamiltons style so, in my view, she has to deal with the consequences... Oh and what Joseph Stannie wrote is quite right. Nelson was on the one hand a hero, on the other he became a laughing stock, especially on the ranks of the admiralty and in the high society as well because of his affair with Lady Hamilton. They needed him for Trafalgar and in my opinion it was a great luck for him to get shoot and die the death of a hero in the moment of his greatest triumph. If he returned to England there would have been a new title and crowds cheering and stuff, but afterwards, war is over and the Navy can choose which Commanders they need... finally i think that Nelsons Navy Career would have ended with that on the one hand because of his reputation, on the other because of his constantly failing health. And someday Emma would have spent him into ruin as she did with herself.
@@bevybaby1587 You are correct as far as I know on all points, except for three things. History records Emma's role in recruiting the Neapolitans to the fight, and the records are probably not complete, but she deserves respect for her part in it. Also, people of the time actually did say that she was down to earth. That does not mean that she didn't enjoy money, it means that she was not a snob. She was as friendly towards poor people as to the rich. The other thing is the OP accused her of seducing Nelson. None of us were there, but it does not appear that she did that. I think they naturally fell for each other. As for not living within her means, you are correct. That has been a problem for most non-working rich people who have seen a reduction in their incomes. Nelson was a working man who understood income and expenses because he managed a fleet of ships and men. Captains and admirals are managers. There is no doubt that it was a character flaw on Emma's part that she did not reduce her lifestyle to make her resources last. I did not say that she was not morally flawed. As for Nelson's wife, adultery is a sin exactly because it violates a promise, a promise that is made to care for the spouse and provide stability for the children. Marriage is a serious thing and Western society is suffering because we abuse it so easily today. Emma and Nelson both violated their vows to their own spouses, and were guilty of adultery. And both brought disrespect to their own spouses as well as the spouse of the other. Both should have respected their vows and the vows of the other. If there is testimony from people at the time who said that she zeroed in on Nelson to ensnare him, then I would be inclined to evaluate that claim. But you need to remember that it has been only within our own lifetimes that society has backed away from accusing the woman in an affair from seducing the man, and wrecking his marriage. That was the standard view in times past and it was certainly true in Nelson's day. The woman was always blamed. I would have to see testimony that she had confided to someone that she went after him while he was uninterested. Her beauty was such that almost all men who saw her thought about how nice it would be to enjoy her in bed. That is just how men are wired. It's been a while since I read up on her, but I believe that she was faithful to her husband until Nelson came along. If she was just a gold digger, I think she would have become mistress to a richer man than Nelson.
@@deezynar Okay, respect for what she did in Naples... whether she was so friendly towards poor people... dont know. I know some very nice anecdotes about her (both positive and negative) but never heard about her being extremely friendly to poor people but maybe you have different sources from mine:-) About the adultering story: I know you never wanted to point out that Emma hadnt any moral flaws. She had and Nelson too and I wouldnt blame her entirely for the whole love affair. Seducing Nelson... its difficult I think to form an opinion, because, as you explain, most sources tend to be indeed very partial. But there are many proofs of the influence she had on Nelson manipulating him into actions he would naver have thought of (like breaking up lifelong friendships f.ex.). Fact is that she had the power to reject him or to limit the affair to Naples... obviously she did not, she wanted him all to herself, not even share him with his friends she did not like (or who did not like her). Whether she was faithful to her husband or not is a bit problematic to say because i dont think they were such 'interesting' to the public that every step was monitored, on the other hand william accepted his wifes affair with Nelson without problems so maybe he never did really care whom she shared her bed with. When Nelson came to Naples... i dont think there was a possibilty for Emma to catch a wealthier man. For the italian nobility she was a common women, married to the british ambassador (and everyone seemed to know where she really came from), in England it was the same and at age 40 and with her background story... Nelson on the other hand fell foolishly in love with her and acted for the rest of their affair as she told him to (well...mostly). Repelling his friends, even trying a career in politics (at Emmas request which resulted in a little desaster), even breaking with his own father who took part for Frances etc. Besides he was the victor of the Nile, so maybe his glory and fame was another part which made him attractive, not wealth alone... So... finally... you are right in many aspects and i agree wholeheartedly that there are many points in Emmas and Nelsons story which cannot be judged with the sources given because many (or most) of them are against Emma, showing the moral standards of that time... maybe wrongly, even though I dont like her character at all (Nelson too, I admire him for his victories, for his genius and stuff, but as a husband and friend he was ...well...). But, as you said, it is difficult to form an opinion, either for or against Emma. What can be said is that she played her part in history, she rose literally from rags to ritches and more, later mostly on account of Nelson, and fell without his support, which is a very pragmatic judgement, I know.
I’ve watched this film a hundred times. Never tire of it. True story. 💗
I am Honored to say that I am named after one of the Great Stars in this Classic .My Late Mom Grace was Alan Mowbrays Neice she gave me his Great Name .Told Me of my Famous Roots I looked him up on the internet ten years after I Lost Her He was Born In August I was Born in August ! He died in March my Mom died in March ! I Miss Her an Honored to carry his Great name Thank You Mom an Great Uncle Alan .
Love these classics 🌟🏆🌟
I always think it kind when someone takes the time to upload a complete film for the rest of us to enjoy. This is a very good one. You are perceptive with discerning tastes and a thoughtful heart. Thank you. Sincerely from, Laura-Lee (of "Laura-Lee Was Here")
+Laura-Lee Rahn Watched this film again and feel that people don't understand what a valuable thing TIME is and how thoughtful it is for someone to use some to upload a FULL film for others to see. P.S. I hate to be "nit-picky", but the actual name of this film is called: "That Hamilton Woman". Just thought I should mention it in the event people need to do some kind of Internet Search for something regarding it. But you are still VERY thoughtful and I appreciate that it was here for me to watch. Definitely one of Leigh's finest performances. She was an actress that went SO far beyond Scarlet O'Hara (in "Gone With the Wind"). But you 'ain't' seen anything until you've watched her finest role in "A Street Car Named Desire". L-L
+Laura-Lee Rahn I could not have said that better myself , thank you jonny yourdanover
@@Laura-Lee The actual title cant be used or it could be taken down for copyright infringment
and Thank you from Debbie K in Costa Rica.. nice to see an ex President act ..well also...
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Wonderful movie, Leigh & Olivier - both equally exquisite . Born in London and raised in Portsmouth where Nelson's famous flagship H.M.S. Victory remains open to public in the historical Naval Dockyards. As a child i stayed on H.MS Foudroyant another famous galleon mentioned in the movie , organized by my school .. it was an insight to ship life in those days I shall never forget, we slept in hammocks and scrubbed the decks etc. in stormy weather , she was permanently moored out in Portsmouth harbour then. I now live in Toronto and was reminded of the infamous Battle of Trafalgar where the hospital my grandson was born recently bares the same namesake. Thank you so much for posting
One of the most beautiful and gripping romantic movies of all time! 😘
What an old beautiful drama , one of the great classic ever , thank you so much for your work and downloading it for all .🙏🏽❤️🇨🇦
I've never seen a more beautiful bedroom than Emma's.
I wish I had one like that with the huge balcony full of sunshine in the summer.
A great film- an impossibly Romantic movie, of the sort that cannot be made -ever again. Leigh and Olivier are both wonderful- great performances. The entire cast is marvelous. Great cinematography and set designs, and the Battle of Trafalgar is still one of the great naval battle scenes ever! and then the last lines-" there is no then, there is no after!"
Thank you for making my night ,I really enjoyed this film ,love a good film and this is a great film thank you again
Wonderful film! And superb special effects in the last battle for the time! Thanks for sharing this!!
Wow! Bravo! I enjoy this movie thoroughly. Thank you so very much for posting. I hope you have many blessings for it.
I watch this movie again and again...the Family and Love were on the fisrst place...the way they should be ...The Story is excellent !!!
Superb script with an incredible cast bringing it to life. One of the best films I have ever seen surpassing the acclaimed GWTW in my opinion. Builds in power each viewing.
I have loved Laurence Olivier all my life. He was still handsome when he died at the age of 82. Thank you for taking the time to upload this movie.
thank you, I saw this years ago and had forgotten all about it, wonderful acting and costumes
Thank you for uploading a lovely film I always love Vivien Leigh. It is nice to see these Black and Whites so much acting not only in the people but in the atmosphere through the skill of the craftsmen who built the sets.
And the craftsmen (and women) that played the parts...
Thanks for this! One of my favorite movies!
Love this movie !! Thank you, Jonny...
Crisp and clear video....lovely thank you
What a beautiful movie!!!!
What a gallant & productive effort the Korda Bros made to create a really viable British 'studio' home for fine actors & creative artists & crews in England and for making stirring films to strengthen spirits in the face of the Nazi threat. It is also worthwhile noting that even before the early WWII date of this movie, they offered their services & made an important contribution to the war effort. Their creative staff were frequently engaged by Churchils top brass -particularly the RAF--in making models of targets for-e.g. pilots & aircrews to study in briefings then larger ones on which to practice low-level bombing runs. As well as proving strategically important it served as a 'quid pro-quo' for being allowed war-limited supplies of set materials.
Thank you for sharing this movie...It is a favorite of mine and the quality of this is excellent :)
The movie was good, thank you for posting it. Sad story, yet love is often that way.
It is a true story. Lady Hamilton unforgettable, she is eternal.
Did cow think to own a silk purse - you can not gentrify the worst
i was wondering how accurate the story was. i loved it but the industry seems to have no problem changing the story if it suits their purpose
Wonderful movie. Excellent music score by Miklos Rozsa.
Great movie, if only modern movies are made this classical way.
Admiral Nelson’s victory over Napoleon at Aboukir Bay in Egypt and losing his arm.It was thrill for me to be in Trafalgar Square in 1999- before beginning a New Century.
Vivien Leigh was one of the fairest ladies to ever grace the silver screen.
Loved the movie, yet again... Brilliant twitter.com/JPHaukkavaara
I do think Vivien Lee was very pretty but my opinion is that Hedi Lamar was the most beautiful woman to ever step into Hollywood. Maybe you don't know her. Very intelligent invented for the military. check out movie Samson & Delilah & if you feel like it look up what she invented regarding missiles
Sad that she was alcoholic and bipolar
I always thought the two actresses resembled each other.
@@sandraoss326 radar i think
I watched this movie years and years ago on television. It wasn't that exciting to me when I was a teenager. Now, many years later, I see what a wonderful movie it is, both from the performances of Olivier and especially Leigh, and the historical context of trying to get support against Hitler. Reading the "Master and Commander" series by Patrick O'Brian has piqued my interest in the British Navy of the time. The exploits are amazing! The bravery of Nelson was incredible! I think Emma Hamilton must have been an extraordinary person. To have her history and still exhibit such deep feeling after such a soul-crushing youth is unusual. My biggest takeaway from this movie, however, is the beautiful and charming Vivien Leigh. The tavern scene is so wonderful, I have watched it again and again. Thank you to the person who uploaded this good-quality video.
One of the best movies I've ever seen.
No entiendo ingles
When Nelson died, even though he had commended Emma to England's care for her service to the nation, society turned its back on her. She descended into poverty, and I think spent some time in debtor's prison. She and her daughter moved to Calais, where she died about a year later. On the day of her funeral, the captains of every British ship in the harbor left their post to follow her casket to the graveyard. it was a measure of how much they had loved Nelson and respected the woman he had loved.
I don't want to make you sad,but the church where Emma was buried (in the graveyard in Calais), was bombed in WW2. After the war the site was razed to the ground,and new buildings errected.The graveyard (including Emma's grave) is now under the car~park of the new buildings.Nobody has ever attempted to find her grave,mainly because all records were lost in the bombing of WW2.
Just to add.Nelson had a daughter by Emma,called Horatia. However,although she always acknowledged Nelson as her father,she (for some reason) always denied that Emma was her mother.www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6884289
Piss on the captains. They could have helped her while she was alive and piss on Nelson. He could have divorced his wife and married Lady Hamilton if he really loved her.
Indeed Logos,as he had lived apart from his wife Frances for some years,he could have obtained a divorce and married Emma(As Sir William had died in 1803).As for the captains,well while they could bask in the glory of Nelson all was well.With Nelson dead,they dropped (and ignored) Emma.She was treated very badly. While he was alive the public were titillated by the scandal,but with him gone they treated Emma as nothing more that a high class prostitute.Not a nice way to treat someone who loved (and looked after) a national hero.
To be fair it's not like she had nothing when Nelson died - he left her enough she should have been able to live comfortably (if pretty modestly) for the rest of her life - she just went and spent it all almost immediately. And remember Emma wasn't exactly liked by society. She was regarded as the 'other woman' and a bit of a slut who had slept (or at least stripped) her way to the top. She was then blamed for Nelson's pretty terrible treatment of his wife who he effectively completely abandoned despite Fanny basically coming off as the perfect Georgian wife to most of the public (giving him children, looking after him when he returned wounded from war, looking after his ageing father, being completely devoted to him etc etc).
Don't get me wrong, I actually quite like Emma, but it's little wonder given the time she lived in that few were willing to look after her.
Thanks 4 the upload & time!
a fabulous movie
I'm glad the recent exhibition at the National Maritime Museum in London did her justice - she has been much under-rated by history.
I've seen this movie several times as I am a classic movie fan. This one is one of the best about Lord Nelson. I love it. Thank you for uploading this magnificent movie.❤
Viv was simply stunning in this role; vivacious, serene, romantic: 'I'm so cold, frightened!' You can feel the tragedy coming. Olivier was also great as well. Vivien excelled in tragic roles, such as in 'Waterloo Bridge,' and 'Anna Karenina.' She hated stardom seeing it as something false and tawdry. She loved acting for its own sake. Great soundrack by Miklos Rosza, too.
Dave B Thank goodness somebody actually knows what Vivien was all about, she was dedicated to her craft considered herself a stage actor and abhorred the title movie starlet, she even had it written into her contract after GWTW, that if she wasn't allowed to continue working on stage at least 6 months of every year, she would give up making movies forever.
You seldom see such a talented and dedicated actor.
In my opinion Dame Maggie Smith another dedicated to her craft since leaving review, although she was originally unsure of herself as she started in comedy, in my opinion, she has proven herself a million times over a wonderful powerful actor, who in my opinion originally had the finest training acting comedic roles and dramatic roles in rep, as she appreciated Pathos, to me that is where Maggie has excelled, my favourite two roles of Maggie will always be Judith herne and Graham Greene's Augusta Bertram, two entirely different roles, a true character actor as was Vivien.
Vivien has a wonderful expressive face almost like rubber, a face she could change for each reaction shot , that coupled with the ability to convey storyline through her eyes, her passion of performance and her diction, is what made Vivien the magnificent actor she was.
The actress that plays Lady Nelson in this film, also played the mother in Now Voyager.
Yeah, she played a lot of things... one of the greatest British actresses with a fascinating career.
Yes, indeed. The great Gladys Cooper.
Great movie, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for this - I'm a great admirer of Lord Nelson's abilities in command, and a great admirer of Winston Churchill, whose favorite movie this was, I believe.
Churchill actually wrote a great deal of the screenplay (uncredited). I expect that he wrote the portion beginning at ~ 30:42, where Sir William Hamilton explains to Emma about the British Commonwealth and its importance to the "balance-line of life". It is said that Churchill viewed this film over 100 times...
Thanks @@CLASSICALFAN100 interesting info.
Wonderful fun of a Obie. Thank you for providing it.
Watch the 1936 film 'Lloyds of London' for a very different perspective of the Lady Hamilton & her relationship with Nelson.
Great film
Loved it!
At least they knew love 💗, Real love .
This was a wonderful story. I really enjoyed it. I don't agree with how they treated their spouses . That's Life !🎭🎥🎬👏🏾🙋🏽
We all get our just reward at the end. 😘 🤷🏾♀️
I dont know what I would do without the classic films and shows, I know for sure that I am going reach for the Lord!
Vivían Leigh siempre en mi corazón 💔
Proverbs 16:7
When a man's ways please the Lord, he makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.
"Nelson, allowing himself to be just a little bit happy?" (Shakes head) "Nelson, in love." ❤
The fathers used their daughters like pawns, and marriages were made based on class and expectations, thus very poor (unloving) arranged marriages were made. The daughters were taught to be pure and chaste not for their best health or emotional interests, but to preserve lineages, thus the girls of the rich were unsatisfying wives. This promulgated taking girls from the lower classes trying desperately to escape poverty and starvation. In every way, girls and women from all classes were placed in untenable situations where only the males became the winners and the takers. Lady Hamilton was a key reason Nelson was so successful; she gave access to those things that gave him the military edge. But she was forgotten and left to her own resources when her looks faded and Nelson was gone. Society does not value its females and this is a grievous error.
thank god times have changed for better
Well... Nelson had been a naval genius before he started his love affair with emma in 1798 (he was brilliant at st. vincent and abukir) so i wouldn't claim her the reason of his success.
Finally she wasn't left on her own, when he died. She got the house (Merton place which Nelson bought for arount 10000 pound) and a pension of 300-500 a year (which is more than enough for a woman with a child to live. Nelson himself lived on less when he was set on halfpay for five years before the revolutionary wars). but she refused to sell the big house or to end her extravangant lifestyle.
This has nothing to do with any values of society
Whaaaa
Well said West Winds. It’s sad when fools still can’t see
@@DhirajKyawal It's the same way *right now*, worldwide. Rich parents arrange marriages, and ally their family with other rich families. **OH, BUT IT'S HANDLED SO MUCH DIFFERENTLY** nowadays, with a Debutante Ball...lol
Я так давно видела этот фильм и он потряс меня.И ведь это не выдумка,все так и было.По профессии я преподаватель английского языка ,работала в университете с людьми уже взрослыми.И когда мы проходили тему Великобритания,я всегда давала студентам задание прочитать дополнительно об адмирале Нельсоне.Они что-то в энциклопедии вычитывали,но никогда ничего не знали о его большой любви.Тогда я им рассказывала о леди Гамильтон.Этот рассказ для них всегда был каким-то открытием.Может сейчас они уже нашли этот фильм и вспомнили наши уроки.
Thank you, a good Sunday afternoon film from sick bed.
In contrast to films nowadays, which *MAKE**EVERYBODY**SICK**...
If she was half the woman as the picture here he was so lucky a man to have lived this life of his . What a life it must have been even with it's highs and lows yes a great movie
Wonderful film , lovely Vivien ,thank you
Good film, great acting, true life can be hard to digest when love means you lose your honor.
"That Hamilton Woman (1941)" an Historical Drama based on War & Women Vivien Leigh * Laurence Olivier * Alan Mowbray * Gladys Cooper * Sara Allgood etc.
Thanks for sharing!
I love to see Vivien Leigh and Laurence Olivier together. Such chemistry, even tho shortly after this film they started having problems due to her mental issues. Their beautiful love eventually ended in divorce. From what I've read they never stopped loving each other, even tho he married very down to earth, Joan Plowright. He also loved her deeply. What a man!!
Nelson asked his country to look after Emma.......... died penniless in Calais.
Well... she had the money to live, she spent it for nonsense and piled up debts... besides I think a huge part of the Navy, Admiralty and upper- class disliked Emma for what she was and where she came from. They paid her 500 a year and thats it...
Nelson was pretty naive writing this.... I mean, he even asked Hardy to take care of her... and they did not like each other at all
@@bevybaby1587 **REALITY CHECK**
Emma Hamilton did NOT end her days as a hopeless alcoholic, living on the streets as portrayed in the movie. Read the *EXCELLENT*, well-researched book, "Emma, Lady Hamilton" by Molly Hardwick in The Internet Archive. It reveals that Emma, very oddly, refused a "life-saving" offer from her good friends Mr. and Mrs. George (& Kitty) Matcham, who invited Emma & her daughter to come live with them. The Matchams were planning to leave England soon, and wrote to Emma (quote), "Write [to] us frequently. I offer a joint wish that we may all settle abroad in some city, town or village." (The author remarks that Emma's refusal was "incomprehensible".) Emma's creditors attached the 500 pound annuity left to her by her late husband, which left her broke. Emma fled to Calais with her daughter, but her money was quickly running out. (She was dying, too, of bronchial pneumonia.) Pawnshops & friends helped her through her last days, and yet another friend paid for a good-quality, well-attended funeral. (She was only 50 years old.) Over time, the cemetery was abandoned, and Emma's grave site was lost. A cenotaph is located nearby: www.calais-cotedopale.co.uk/things-do/visits#!/lady-hamilton-582865
"Only the weaknesses of the great are glaring" (Lord Spencer of the Admiralty speaking to Mrs. Nelson beginning at 1:10:58).
Thaks for uploading the movie. :)
Thank you for the upload. I love these old movies but I've never seen this one before.
It's a national disgrace that lady Hamilton was left to rot and die alone, after all her diplomatic entreaties. But those were different times and their relationship was a society scandal.
MANY THANKS!!!
Same here thank you.
This was a smashing hit in the USSR during WW2. Also, Winston Churchill watched this film "86 times" and was infatuated with Vivian Leigh.
Very unlikely that USSR could have time for hits during WW2??
@@Zima49 On the contrary, at the initiative of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, the movie had been donated by producer Alexander Korda for demonstration in the Soviet Union as a token of gratitude for its contribution in the fight against Nazism and was first shown at the Soviet box office on March 23, 1943.
Vivien love!
Was watching this movie on Channel 4 on Tuesday 11 September 2001 around 2pm , when someone called and urged me to switch to the BBC news...
Robert Hanff wow, that is a coincidence!!!!! I was watching the the film as well, I don’t normally watch Day Time TV, but I got hooked into this, and was brought abruptly back to reality, when the first news of the “Twin Towers “ came through. A great pity the Human Race, will never learn from their past mistakes. But the Actors like Olivier and Vivian Leigh were superb.
By the time Lord Nelson met Lady Hamilton he was blind in one eye and was missing an arm. Lady Hamilton was beautiful and voluptuous. When Nelson started his affair with Emma he was forced to leave Naples so he left with both Emma and her husband and they all lived together in the same house so the affair was interesting to say the least. God only knows what went on with those three but Nelson did love Emma deeply.
@annamal pete Yes... on his money and ranks for example
Emma had a broad Yorkshire ascent which she never lost and Nelson loved.
Leslie Pilgrim Er,she was born and brought up in the village of Ness,which is in the Wiral.
LANCASHIRE...!!
Love these historical fiction movies..... See also Lloyds of London (w/Tyrone Power & Madeleine Carroll and/or Marie Antoinette with Ann Sheridan and Tyrone Power). England was very proud of their heroes, and glorified them in many of their dramatizations, romanticizing the scandals of private life (a bit familiar even for our side of the pond).
Facts behind fiction (skullied from the web): Horatio Nelson , (born September 29, 1758-died October 21, 1805, at sea, off Cape Trafalgar, Spain), was one of many commanders in the wars with Napoleonic France, who won crucial victories in such battles as those of the Nile (1798) where he was killed by enemy fire on the HMS Victory. In private life, he was known for his extended love affair with Emma, Lady Hamilton, while both were married.
I always wondered if anyone made a movie about the battle of Trafalgar. Here is it, and it's done very very well. Rule Britannia!!!
Castilliaisme islam will dominate "britannia"
I am so amazed at the scenery. Are those real ships? they didn't have digital back then, right? I love how the drawings represent locations like palace etc. This was a wonderfully made movie! thanks for sharing
Jd in Mexico 17 degrees N 101degrees W They're scale models.
The name of this excellent movie is "That Hamilton Woman"
dancefeast Only in the U.S. Elsewhere is was "Lady Hamilton."Vivien thought "That Hamilton Woman" dreadfully vulgar.
Outstanding! And made in 1941
How beautiful? What acting. :)
NELSON'S FLEET.. "TO DO YOUR DUTY..." AT END OF FILM WAS A CALL TO ARMS, AS BRITS WERE FIGHTING HITLER 2 YEARS IN WWII WHEN THIS FILM LAUNCHED.
In fact when this film came out in 1941, the Battle of the Atlantic had reached it's lowest ebb for the Royal Navy with the U-boats well in the ascendant. Hence there was a strong element of defiance and appeal to patriotism throughout the film.
Unless I am mistaken, Nelsons' ship is flying the Red Ensign, the MERCHANT Navy flag. The Royal Navy is white with a red cross and the Union Jack in the top left corner.
Right! Throw the film in the ash-can and *DO THE WHOLE THING OVER*! Flags mean everything, *EVERYTHING*!!...(ROFL)
No, you are not wrong, but you have reached the wrong conclusion. At that period the Fleet was divided into three Divisions, Red, White and Blue, with the Red being the senior, and each Division wore its own ensign. Thus Nelson's Victory flew the Red Ensign. Only much later in history did the White Ensign become purely RN, the Red Ensign the Merchant Navy flag, and the Blue Ensign that of the Royal Naval Reserve.
COULD SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME WHY SOMETIMES HAS COVERED EYE AND IN SOME SCENES HIS EYE IS FINE?
Because between the time that Emma & Nelson first meet, and the next time they see each other (5 years later), Nelson lost his arm and the sight of one eye in a naval battle...
If you look closely his right eye is not "fine", it's partially closed. Nelson was not totally blind in that eye, but it was damaged and sensitive to bright light, so he covered it, or wore a green eyeshade in bright sunlight.
what nonsense at 1:19...to have Lady Hamilton saying that "what we are doing is so very wrong"...as if modern middle class morals applied to the British aristocracy then OR now. Married women having affairs was the norm for the British aristocracy, why even today, look at Prince Charles and Princess Diana's marriage and you get a clear idea of what prevails.
+mythicus s
lol, marriage is now found in middle-class morals? Yes, what is found(marriage) in the category of the Ethical has been transported to a class within the category of social morality by mythicus. May we ask by what power you've done this miraculous deed mythicus? Now don't be shy mythicus, after all, this is a most remarkable feat you've achieved.
When ever people suggest to me that sexual impropriety is only recently become wide spread I remind them of the numerous bastards in history. Where do you think they all came from?
mythicus s
YEAH, LOOK AT THE TRAMP CAMILLA PARKER TAMPON BOWELS, NOW ACCEPTED AND NORMALIZED INTO BRITISH SOCIETY; JUST AS TRUMP, THE LYING, RACIST,C DRAFT-DODGING, FECKLESS, GRIFTER IS NOW DISGRACING OUR WHITEHOUSE. NORMALIZING FILTHY SCUM, SEEMS TO BE ACCEPTABLE IN THE 21 ST CENTURY.
Bastardistan?
mythicus s Sink me.
Por favor no la pueden subir en español??
how did you like the explanation when Lady Hamilton asks, "why should England fight this war" (approx. 31:00) and Sir William explains basically British colonialism/Empire, and then "we have to fight those, that want to dictate their will to others" (Napoleon) ; quite ironic, Brits, don;t even think of themselves as doing same as all other conqueror nations, back then. I know , just a movie.
i'm from India, tell me about it lol
I was thinking the same thing. I was also thinking that, since this movie was released in 1941, the audience would be expected to be thinking of Hitler when the script is referencing Napoleon.
I downloaded this gem ...............
Final words of Horatio is THE SAME script as Lloyds of London "I have done my duty"!! Crazy.
Not in this movie I fear...
I keep wondering why I love to watch classic movies at 3AM smh
Winston Churchill watched this film 19 times. See 30:59.
Olivier was much more comfortable and therefore better on stage. He never got used to being in close-up on camera and quite often it shows (esp in "Rebecca", "Henry V", and "The Prince & the Showgirl"). When he made Marathon Man (1976) he asked Dustin Hoffman how HE 'acted in close-up' - and Hoffman said "I don't".
Larry was much better after that film
While filming an on-foot chase scene in Marathon Man, DH ran around the block a few times to get completely out of breath. LO asked him why he did that, and DH said to add realism to the scene. LO then said, "My dear fellow...I just pretend."
how very nice of the English establishment, things haven`t changed much have they.
+tony roberts Actually I was thinking how hard it must be for people now-a-days to realize that is was not that long ago when 99 % of people on the planet did the "right" thing and what a huge scandal it was not just between "Lady Hamilton & Lord Nelson" back in their time, but how many people purposely didn't go to see this film because of the scandal caused by "the Oliviers" because they also had an affair and originally "got together" when they were married to other people as well. Adultery was no "little thing".
+Laura-Lee Rahn
and those 99% that did your "right" thing were also 99% happier than those of today who scorn your "right" thing - particularly women. Why, any decent historian can easily explain why "modern" women suffer from so much depression and mental anguish - not too mention the direct correlation to their loss of power and influence the more they don't do the "right" thing.
Perhaps, instead of a crusade to continue a revisionist history of the 18th and 19th century , we instead have a refresher course on the Ethical and its relationship to an individual. Then, when that significance has been grasped we can further add an addendum to the course on the category of Modesty and the power it gives to femininity. Perhaps we could do all this....after all, isn't it about time we scrutinized just how much a warped and decrepit aesthetic-based society has debased both Eros and woman?
Wow. Did you say a mouthful. It amazes me how many people inside the Christian church tell women NOT to submit to their husbands. Like submission is a horrible DEvaluing thing. A police officer has the right to arrest me if I break the law. If he were chasing me with sirens blaring and I "pull over", does that make me "less" of a person because I'm "submitting" to his wishes. No. Because ultimately I'm the one who bestowed that power on him in the first place. Same thing with husbands and wives. Being "in charge" doesn't make him a better person, it only makes him more "responsible" for things When there are 3 people you can take a vote; when there are only 2, somebody has got to lead the dance. (and that's my 2 nickel's worth).
I read that Lady Hamilton, Nelson and Lord William lived together at one time. They made quite a strange ménage a trois for the world to see. It was sad her daughter Horatia never acknowledged her, and that she had ample funds to live on, but was so used to the extravagances of being the Queen of Naples and spent it all. Left to die penniless in Calais! Yes, Nelson should have just divorced his wife. It seemed there was nothing between them.. physical, but he was at sea.. but if they had anything love between them.. love letters??
Vivien Leigh is so beautiful 👍👍👍! Love her forever 😘😘😘！
Μιά θαυμάσια ταινία ὅπως αὐτή γιατί νά μήν ἔχει ἑλληνικούς ὑπότιτλους; Δέν μπορῶ νά τό καταλάβω!
Lol this is to certify this movie has been passed for adult viewing
A good movie, because Vivien Leigh a most beautiful and Great Actress, the best excepting the Great Jennifer Jones. So, I very much enjoyed the movie because of Vivien;..however, very disappointed the story at the end and showing her very sad plight, did not at all mention what happened to her baby girl that she'd had with Nelson (Olivier).
Can you put it in french please ?
Err Nadia, It's Lady Hamilton not Mlle Josephine. Were you lost in translation?
I like the globe (31:01), little ...rmany between huge France and Poland.
Ridiculous, the queen of Naples was Maria Carolina from the Imperial family of Austria nothing like the one in the movie as well as the king.
Antonio Farinaccio it is a movie of the times ie beginning of ww2, so it’s used as propaganda. It’s a good movie with good performances, very loosely based around a few chosen facts, else is just fiction.
PITY? they did away with rowing the ships officers to and from there ships. . the use of stinking engines not as inspiring or prestigous as a team of rowers. much as the beefeaters kept there uniform the navy should have retained tradition of rowers.
REAL TITLE: THAT HAMILTON WOMAN 1941
Never thought I'd say it, the ex wife was right.
Why doesn’t her child live with her and his Grandmom?
Because on the one hand Emma didn't truly wanted to have children or care for it and on the other it would have been a scandal because the whole of england knew who the father was
Emma Hamilton was a chancer who seduced the naive Nelson with her 'bedroom' antics. He was soon besotted and became a bit of a laughing stock which nearly finished his career. After years of over indulgence she ended up fat and broke and got her just deserts. Nelson's wife fanny was the one wronged. Emma was just a slag. Unlike Vivien Leigh of course who was gorgeous!
One of the first comments under this wonderful movie I can truly agree with
Joseph, the movie is pretty accurate in showing Emma's role in helping Great Britain by convincing the Neapolitan king and queen to support the British against Napoleon. She was raised with almost no education, but learned to speak English elegantly. She also learned to speak French and Italian at a level good enough to be accepted by many of the nobles of the continent. I would say that her intelligence was at least a little bit above average. She was known as witty, charming, kind, and down to earth. Emma was a player on the stage of history on her own. There is no doubt that she violated many biblical moral standards. And so did Nelson, and so have you. I have looked at history to find the perfectly moral individuals who have played major roles in making the world a better place. I find that there are very few who have been pure, and the majority who have done the greatest things have been more than a little bit flawed. I am not condoning adultery, just pointing out that attacking Emma Hamilton reveals your own lack of compassion more than her flawed moral character.
@@deezynar I agree with you about the role E. Hamilton played in convicing the neapolitan King and Queen, but I don't think she was the only reason for their support....
very well lets talk about her education, about her intellgence etc... never doubt she was indeed a clever woman, even if im not quite sure whether it shows an extraordianry amount of intelligence to learn a language like French or Italian in an italian Country with a mostly french speaking court/upper-class when you have nothing better to do during 10 years in Naples. But agree on a little bit above average... thats not my main point.
Your discription of her is nice and okay, but 'down to earth´'??? Never read anything about Emma, Lady Hamilton, Lord Nelsons Mistress being down to earth and IF she had been, a pension of around 500 Pounds a year would have been enough, even after Lord Nelson died at Trafalgar.
I agree with you that there are not many 'perfectly moral individuals' in history... Nelson himself cheated on his wife and repelled nearly all of his friends after starting his affair with Emma... thats not my problem with her. I know the flaws of Nelsons Charakter, as well as Emmas, but the point is, that Nelson is/was still a hero. Even if he threated his wife badly, even if he repelled his friends and refused to attend his own fathers funeral because he did not want to see his wife... he remains a genius. Won battles like trafalgar and abukir and was beloved and respected by his crew, by friends, by the whole of england (well... maybe except for parts of the upper class and Admirality).
Emma. on the other hand, did nothing except for being Lord Nelsons Affair, so this is what she is remembered for (and at least she is known today... i mean... how many lovers of Catherine the Great do the average person know by name?).
But finally back to your comment... I dont understand why disliking Emma or seeing her as what she was (Lord Nelsons Love Affair with a very bad influence on him and a not that good breeding (which is confirmed by many contemporary witnesses)) reveals any lack of compassion for REAL misery. I mean... I pity Frances (Nelsons Wife) for being treated like that and for losing a husband she still seemed to love, I pity captain Hardy for losing his friend and maybe little Horatia for losing her father and facing a childhood with a 'mother' being imprisoned in debtors prisons twice and developing an alcohol problem... but i can see no reason to pity Lady Hamilton who inherited Merton (the House Nelson had bought for her) and 500 per annum (a First Rate Captain, like f. ex. Captain Hardy, had around 400 a year which could pay for a family, so 500 Pound for a single mother is ENOUGH).
Well... as history shows it was not enough for Emma to maintain her extravagant lifestyle and pay around 7000 pounds of debts (which were all made BEFORE Nelson passed, another reason to disagree on Emma being 'down to earth') But thats no reason to pity her, because if you lose the man who is paying for you and your child you HAVE to change your lifestyle a bit. Nelson himself lived for 5 years unemployed and on half pay with his wife and her son from first marrige, so it might be possible (as enough officers of his Majestys Navy did in peacetimes). Emma failed in doing so, just lived on and piled up debts.
She could have saled the house and moving with her child somewhere and could have lived a modest but safe life... but apparently that was not Lady Hamiltons style so, in my view, she has to deal with the consequences...
Oh and what Joseph Stannie wrote is quite right. Nelson was on the one hand a hero, on the other he became a laughing stock, especially on the ranks of the admiralty and in the high society as well because of his affair with Lady Hamilton. They needed him for Trafalgar and in my opinion it was a great luck for him to get shoot and die the death of a hero in the moment of his greatest triumph. If he returned to England there would have been a new title and crowds cheering and stuff, but afterwards, war is over and the Navy can choose which Commanders they need... finally i think that Nelsons Navy Career would have ended with that on the one hand because of his reputation, on the other because of his constantly failing health. And someday Emma would have spent him into ruin as she did with herself.
@@bevybaby1587 You are correct as far as I know on all points, except for three things. History records Emma's role in recruiting the Neapolitans to the fight, and the records are probably not complete, but she deserves respect for her part in it. Also, people of the time actually did say that she was down to earth. That does not mean that she didn't enjoy money, it means that she was not a snob. She was as friendly towards poor people as to the rich. The other thing is the OP accused her of seducing Nelson. None of us were there, but it does not appear that she did that. I think they naturally fell for each other. As for not living within her means, you are correct. That has been a problem for most non-working rich people who have seen a reduction in their incomes. Nelson was a working man who understood income and expenses because he managed a fleet of ships and men. Captains and admirals are managers. There is no doubt that it was a character flaw on Emma's part that she did not reduce her lifestyle to make her resources last. I did not say that she was not morally flawed. As for Nelson's wife, adultery is a sin exactly because it violates a promise, a promise that is made to care for the spouse and provide stability for the children. Marriage is a serious thing and Western society is suffering because we abuse it so easily today. Emma and Nelson both violated their vows to their own spouses, and were guilty of adultery. And both brought disrespect to their own spouses as well as the spouse of the other. Both should have respected their vows and the vows of the other. If there is testimony from people at the time who said that she zeroed in on Nelson to ensnare him, then I would be inclined to evaluate that claim. But you need to remember that it has been only within our own lifetimes that society has backed away from accusing the woman in an affair from seducing the man, and wrecking his marriage. That was the standard view in times past and it was certainly true in Nelson's day. The woman was always blamed. I would have to see testimony that she had confided to someone that she went after him while he was uninterested. Her beauty was such that almost all men who saw her thought about how nice it would be to enjoy her in bed. That is just how men are wired. It's been a while since I read up on her, but I believe that she was faithful to her husband until Nelson came along. If she was just a gold digger, I think she would have become mistress to a richer man than Nelson.
@@deezynar Okay, respect for what she did in Naples...
whether she was so friendly towards poor people... dont know. I know some very nice anecdotes about her (both positive and negative) but never heard about her being extremely friendly to poor people but maybe you have different sources from mine:-)
About the adultering story: I know you never wanted to point out that Emma hadnt any moral flaws. She had and Nelson too and I wouldnt blame her entirely for the whole love affair. Seducing Nelson... its difficult I think to form an opinion, because, as you explain, most sources tend to be indeed very partial. But there are many proofs of the influence she had on Nelson manipulating him into actions he would naver have thought of (like breaking up lifelong friendships f.ex.). Fact is that she had the power to reject him or to limit the affair to Naples... obviously she did not, she wanted him all to herself, not even share him with his friends she did not like (or who did not like her).
Whether she was faithful to her husband or not is a bit problematic to say because i dont think they were such 'interesting' to the public that every step was monitored, on the other hand william accepted his wifes affair with Nelson without problems so maybe he never did really care whom she shared her bed with.
When Nelson came to Naples... i dont think there was a possibilty for Emma to catch a wealthier man. For the italian nobility she was a common women, married to the british ambassador (and everyone seemed to know where she really came from), in England it was the same and at age 40 and with her background story...
Nelson on the other hand fell foolishly in love with her and acted for the rest of their affair as she told him to (well...mostly). Repelling his friends, even trying a career in politics (at Emmas request which resulted in a little desaster), even breaking with his own father who took part for Frances etc. Besides he was the victor of the Nile, so maybe his glory and fame was another part which made him attractive, not wealth alone...
So... finally... you are right in many aspects and i agree wholeheartedly that there are many points in Emmas and Nelsons story which cannot be judged with the sources given because many (or most) of them are against Emma, showing the moral standards of that time... maybe wrongly, even though I dont like her character at all (Nelson too, I admire him for his victories, for his genius and stuff, but as a husband and friend he was ...well...). But, as you said, it is difficult to form an opinion, either for or against Emma. What can be said is that she played her part in history, she rose literally from rags to ritches and more, later mostly on account of Nelson, and fell without his support, which is a very pragmatic judgement, I know.