Fortunately there is a happy ending. 😏 Hyprland is a cool project, especially now that they transition away from wl-roots (great, just to have more than 1 option) but it is not as good yet as dwm. I hope that some day it will be.
@@soymadip.dwm is a very light window manager for xorg(although you can use dwl if you like wayland), and the reason its so light is because its functionality is limited, if not unusable, out of the box. its whole concept is that you have to compile it from source with patches to get the functionality you want, so you wont be finding a standard binary for it in any repositories. not recommended for beginners to linux or window managers
Challenged myself to do arch and hyprland on my work laptop about a week ago. So far so good. It obviously helps that almost all of my work "software" can be used in the browser. Trying to match the config with my Arch desktop that I built just for breaking and fixing (or trying to anyways). I'll have to watch this video in pieces but thanks again for putting these out. It's nice to have an experienced set of eyes on something relevant to what I happen to be working on at the moment.
I tend to like the conciseness of wayland programs. If you make a wallpaper program, all I need it to do is set the wallpaper. After that, i just want to be able to interface with the program. This allows people to do whatever they want with the randomness or wallpaper processing outside of the application and developers dont need to waste time working out every single person's niche use case. After all, that is the unix philosophy. I dont quite understand your comment about how you should never be running a background bash script. Especially for something as harmless as a wallpaper.
1:20:16 screen tearing is one of the reasons i use wayland. another one is because moving windows in x11 on 240hz just feels like 2fps. got 560 nvidia drivers in opensuse tumbleweed and it just works. except for the fact that it doesnt work sometimes because of gnome. i also had some weird bugs on x11 that when moving windows it would create effect of this one error from win xp i think where it would just create multiple instances
Nixos solved my distro hoping. I wanted a bleeding edge distro rolling release, which can save my ass incase I fuck up, with a large amount of available packages. The unified and reproducible config file using the nix language is just the cherry on top. As a developer I couldnt have hoped for a better OS as my daily driver. Fedora (nobara), Arch (endeavourOS,garudalinux, manjaro), open suse and ubuntu all had things which I wanted, but they didnt fulfill some of my requirements. Nixos basically ticks all the boxes.
NixOs is defo on my radar. But I just can't wrap my head around the configuration.nix and flake.nix And I find the documentation.... lacking. tbf, last time I tried was a year ago so perhaps it has improved Thus for now I'm on arch until nixos convinces me. Do you perhaps have sources to help me along?
@@moortu The wiki is genuinely awful and you should only refer to it as a last resort. Personally I recommend the nixos manual, nixos search and watching some of vimjoyers video on nixos, they teach you the basics and most importantly, teach you the importance of modularization you config. From a programing point of view (more specifically object oriented) the single responsibility is common knowledge, but for the average user this might not bee, which is in my opinion the biggest thing that makes nixos hard. If your config is several hundred lines long, its going to be a pain in the ass to modify and maintain it. Aside from that, the other best way to learn nixos, is by just looking at peoples config, which is what I did after getting the basics down. That said, for the first week its going to bee utter hell, since as you said there is nothing like the arch wiki, a place were everything is clearly explained. But once it clicks, you will never want to change to anything else, especially after you start using home manager.
I'd love to just use Xorg, but for me with 3 monitors, it's quite literally unusable with that stupid "everything runs on the same refresh rate" issue. So i'm kinda forced into using wayland in any case, cuz i'm not gonna live with 60hz.
I'm still using Xorg with KDE on Arch but Wayland is improving and if it works better I will switch in the future. Even if Wayland has many bugs, Fedora is going to solve those problems if they only use Wayland and remove Xorg. So Red Hat would be on of the companies that mostly improve Wayland.
I run Alpine on an old crappy chromebook (6w dual core celeron from around 2016 (yes its 64bit), and it runs KDE fine. Yes it took some work, and yes i spent an hour or so on it. The base install of alpine was 150MB; ~2GB with xorg and KDE/XFCE installed.
What do you use for console greeter? I mean that one that reminds neofetch. I mean the one that prints out the os age and your uptime, from the very first minutes of your video. And how can I set that up to look like that - I like it.
Alright so i am confused between hyprland and awesomewm which can be configured more btw? (Not just drag drop or plugins i meant being able to create whatever i need at my convenience) Hyprland uses cpp and lua and awesome uses lua for configuration So which is better?
i believe awesome can be more configured, hyprland's config isn't as scriptable that easily. But hyprland can still be scripted, it has a lot of stuff, only issue is they are external scripts. With that said i do use hyprland, and if you have AMD i would still recommend it.
Anyone having the "frozen log" problem upon wakeup from standby with nVidia on Arch with latest updates (last three at least) ? System becomes completely unresponsive to keyboard input, or at least it doesn't show any change on screen, tho a few times I had a song playing before standby and after this happened the music kept playing despite this freeze. It happens most of the time but not always when in standby overnight, not sure what triggers it... waking immediately after standby on the other hand works fine most of the time
Hope someone can reply to me about windows recall. So i left windows in 2018 and went to linux now i am going back to school again to finish my education. I need some programs, i tried windows 11 when i got a new computer last year but not with recall. Can the ctt toolbox block the ai crap? And block it going forward in the years to come? Some people say that their non copilot pcs (old pcs) got recall in an windows update. Macs are to expensive for me now.
On NixOS unstable it's been a bit shaky lately. Seems breaking changes upstream get implemented too quickly and a flurry of Issues for NixPkgs have "build failures" which they need to figure out and possibly wait to patch everything that broke. Course it's possible to revert your confg via git and rollback your derivation to a previous working one. Or the build just fails to complete so you are stuck till they fix it or you remediate something on your end like changing option syntax, parameters being renamed, etc.
If you are on NixOS, consider using their flake with their cache, makes much more sense as the project supports NixOS directly. If you want a stable release from it, just chose the refs.
I actually doubt someone answers me but I'll try anyway: is there any chance it will be DWM conversion to Wayland? I know there exist DWL but as far as I can see people are complaining a lot at it (no 1:1 DWM patches, not the same efficiency, buggy etc.). Hyprland on the other hand is quite big and if you don't need all those fancy animation stuff why put it all into RAM... I am not that much into WMs to know exactly why Suckless team doesn't want to work on Wayland version of DWM. Please let me gain some knowledge here 😀. Thank you
Moving DWM to wayland would require much more work. If you have noticed something about wayland WMs, they all also need a compositor to go along with it. Sway uses wlroots (which has poor documentation) and Hyprland just switched from wlroots to their very own aquamarine. The people at suckless would probably have to write their own compositor to go with their own wayland DWM, as using one off the shelf isn't exactly their style. If you have read DWM's (or any suckless) source code, it is very minimal but you will be able to understand it enough to modify it (since modifying the source code is how you configure it). However, there isn't really anything suckless about writing a compositor as both wlroots is ~60k lines of code and aquamarine "tens of thousands" lines of code. DWM itself is only ~2k lines of code. DWM is also just a window manager while a compositor is very hardware involved and isn't exactly something a user configures. So far it seems impossible to write a suckless compositor.
@@marcin.sobocinski Yes and no. DWL does accomplish the task of being a window manager you can customize by modifying the source code of. However, the execution isn't very suckless. If we classify wayland and wlroots or aquamarine as an unfortunate requirements the same way xorg/x11 is an unfortunate requirements for DWM, then you could consider DWL close enough. A true "Wayland DWM" would be made by the Suckless team themselves.
Why are so many streamers and UA-camrs pushed or trolled into continuing stuff theyve put on the back-burner? Pick what they give and be happy with that.If one streamer/youtuber stops a project and gets bored with it, theres bound to be someone else that makes videos about the same subject. Its a smoergasboard of stuff. Let the youtubers relax and be happy. Love for everyone, peace, out.
Fortunately there is a happy ending. 😏 Hyprland is a cool project, especially now that they transition away from wl-roots (great, just to have more than 1 option) but it is not as good yet as dwm. I hope that some day it will be.
What is special about dwm? I am interested
bro really said "Explain it"@@soymadip.
@@soymadip.dwm is a very light window manager for xorg(although you can use dwl if you like wayland), and the reason its so light is because its functionality is limited, if not unusable, out of the box. its whole concept is that you have to compile it from source with patches to get the functionality you want, so you wont be finding a standard binary for it in any repositories. not recommended for beginners to linux or window managers
what are you talking about ?, dwm is featureless literally, its minimal as fuck
Nothing on DWM is special except that it works without any bugs or problems and that it's reliable. That's the main point.
Challenged myself to do arch and hyprland on my work laptop about a week ago. So far so good. It obviously helps that almost all of my work "software" can be used in the browser. Trying to match the config with my Arch desktop that I built just for breaking and fixing (or trying to anyways). I'll have to watch this video in pieces but thanks again for putting these out. It's nice to have an experienced set of eyes on something relevant to what I happen to be working on at the moment.
what kind of gpu you running?
@@paulywalnutz5855 laptop is i5-8365 with integrated. Desktop currently has my old Saphire Rx 570 8g
Hyprland with Waybar, Wofi, Yad and Fedora. Terrific.
I tend to like the conciseness of wayland programs. If you make a wallpaper program, all I need it to do is set the wallpaper. After that, i just want to be able to interface with the program. This allows people to do whatever they want with the randomness or wallpaper processing outside of the application and developers dont need to waste time working out every single person's niche use case. After all, that is the unix philosophy. I dont quite understand your comment about how you should never be running a background bash script. Especially for something as harmless as a wallpaper.
hyperpaper is a good one for wayland wallpaper settings.
Arch + Hyprland is king
Hyperland the goat
Fedora not including xorg in their default repos is insanity to me imo
Some of the best work and career advice.
1:20:16 screen tearing is one of the reasons i use wayland. another one is because moving windows in x11 on 240hz just feels like 2fps. got 560 nvidia drivers in opensuse tumbleweed and it just works. except for the fact that it doesnt work sometimes because of gnome. i also had some weird bugs on x11 that when moving windows it would create effect of this one error from win xp i think where it would just create multiple instances
i love how im always couple days behind you i been using gnome for like year and now i was tought to revisit hyprland
Nixos solved my distro hoping. I wanted a bleeding edge distro rolling release, which can save my ass incase I fuck up, with a large amount of available packages. The unified and reproducible config file using the nix language is just the cherry on top. As a developer I couldnt have hoped for a better OS as my daily driver.
Fedora (nobara), Arch (endeavourOS,garudalinux, manjaro), open suse and ubuntu all had things which I wanted, but they didnt fulfill some of my requirements. Nixos basically ticks all the boxes.
NixOs is defo on my radar.
But I just can't wrap my head around the configuration.nix and flake.nix
And I find the documentation.... lacking.
tbf, last time I tried was a year ago so perhaps it has improved
Thus for now I'm on arch until nixos convinces me.
Do you perhaps have sources to help me along?
@@moortu The wiki is genuinely awful and you should only refer to it as a last resort. Personally I recommend the nixos manual, nixos search and watching some of vimjoyers video on nixos, they teach you the basics and most importantly, teach you the importance of modularization you config. From a programing point of view (more specifically object oriented) the single responsibility is common knowledge, but for the average user this might not bee, which is in my opinion the biggest thing that makes nixos hard. If your config is several hundred lines long, its going to be a pain in the ass to modify and maintain it. Aside from that, the other best way to learn nixos, is by just looking at peoples config, which is what I did after getting the basics down. That said, for the first week its going to bee utter hell, since as you said there is nothing like the arch wiki, a place were everything is clearly explained. But once it clicks, you will never want to change to anything else, especially after you start using home manager.
I'd love to just use Xorg, but for me with 3 monitors, it's quite literally unusable with that stupid "everything runs on the same refresh rate" issue. So i'm kinda forced into using wayland in any case, cuz i'm not gonna live with 60hz.
literally same
I'm still using Xorg with KDE on Arch but Wayland is improving and if it works better I will switch in the future.
Even if Wayland has many bugs, Fedora is going to solve those problems if they only use Wayland and remove Xorg. So Red Hat would be on of the companies that mostly improve Wayland.
I run Alpine on an old crappy chromebook (6w dual core celeron from around 2016 (yes its 64bit), and it runs KDE fine. Yes it took some work, and yes i spent an hour or so on it. The base install of alpine was 150MB; ~2GB with xorg and KDE/XFCE installed.
What do you use for console greeter? I mean that one that reminds neofetch. I mean the one that prints out the os age and your uptime, from the very first minutes of your video. And how can I set that up to look like that - I like it.
Alright so i am confused between hyprland and awesomewm which can be configured more btw? (Not just drag drop or plugins i meant being able to create whatever i need at my convenience) Hyprland uses cpp and lua and awesome uses lua for configuration
So which is better?
i believe awesome can be more configured, hyprland's config isn't as scriptable that easily.
But hyprland can still be scripted, it has a lot of stuff, only issue is they are external scripts.
With that said i do use hyprland, and if you have AMD i would still recommend it.
Have you ever considered trying swaync instead of dunst? :)
On my machines: Dunst uses 1.9M of ram. Swaync uses 40M. Literally bloatware.
@@iiisaac1312 does your machine have 256MB of RAM?
Fr guys will say it's bloat on 32gb of ram lmao@@picklypt
Arch Titus was pretty good yesterday (saturday, aug 3). There are some bugs there with the hyprland installation but usable
Actually decommissioned our telephony system
Anyone having the "frozen log" problem upon wakeup from standby with nVidia on Arch with latest updates (last three at least) ? System becomes completely unresponsive to keyboard input, or at least it doesn't show any change on screen, tho a few times I had a song playing before standby and after this happened the music kept playing despite this freeze. It happens most of the time but not always when in standby overnight, not sure what triggers it... waking immediately after standby on the other hand works fine most of the time
is there a way to add nm-applet or something similar for wifi. in statusbar in dwm?
@@user-sq1oi9qp8w it’s hit or miss sometimes
Run something like `pasystray` at startup then run nm-applet
Is Cachy OS (Arch based) good for everyone in 2024 ?
almost but not yet
I mean I like it use it on my laptop but desktop gotta be my own arch build
No. Its installer is a buggy mess. If it actually installs, it might be.
@@darshankumawat1764 Installing fine for me did it like 3 times for testing but the thing is the repos differ from mainline which is always bad
i love it!
It seems Chris wasn't really this stream it came across that he wanted Hyprland to fail because it's not DWM.
10:24 is the boot loader riced GRUB or something else?
Probably grub since he uses it a lot on his dotfiles
I use hyprdots it's an amazing project that is really good maintained 😂
interested to see how this goes with nvidia card
Bro do a vid on pass and sendshortcut dispatchers
Hope someone can reply to me about windows recall. So i left windows in 2018 and went to linux now i am going back to school again to finish my education. I need some programs, i tried windows 11 when i got a new computer last year but not with recall. Can the ctt toolbox block the ai crap? And block it going forward in the years to come? Some people say that their non copilot pcs (old pcs) got recall in an windows update. Macs are to expensive for me now.
Surprised no one said waypaper. Randomizer and everything. uses hyprpaper if you want it to.
Wayland does also stuff that X11 can not.
yes waydroid
i’ll break a linux distribution in less than a week with very very reckless behavior…sometimes you gotta live in the edge.
Hyprland rocks! I use NixOS BTW...
On NixOS unstable it's been a bit shaky lately. Seems breaking changes upstream get implemented too quickly and a flurry of Issues for NixPkgs have "build failures" which they need to figure out and possibly wait to patch everything that broke. Course it's possible to revert your confg via git and rollback your derivation to a previous working one. Or the build just fails to complete so you are stuck till they fix it or you remediate something on your end like changing option syntax, parameters being renamed, etc.
If you are on NixOS, consider using their flake with their cache, makes much more sense as the project supports NixOS directly.
If you want a stable release from it, just chose the refs.
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the faces you make on previews scare me man
Showing to people how to use Linux but cant get out of full screen mode, its like to teach Vim without knowing :qa! PATHETIC !
I actually doubt someone answers me but I'll try anyway: is there any chance it will be DWM conversion to Wayland? I know there exist DWL but as far as I can see people are complaining a lot at it (no 1:1 DWM patches, not the same efficiency, buggy etc.). Hyprland on the other hand is quite big and if you don't need all those fancy animation stuff why put it all into RAM... I am not that much into WMs to know exactly why Suckless team doesn't want to work on Wayland version of DWM. Please let me gain some knowledge here 😀. Thank you
Moving DWM to wayland would require much more work. If you have noticed something about wayland WMs, they all also need a compositor to go along with it. Sway uses wlroots (which has poor documentation) and Hyprland just switched from wlroots to their very own aquamarine. The people at suckless would probably have to write their own compositor to go with their own wayland DWM, as using one off the shelf isn't exactly their style. If you have read DWM's (or any suckless) source code, it is very minimal but you will be able to understand it enough to modify it (since modifying the source code is how you configure it). However, there isn't really anything suckless about writing a compositor as both wlroots is ~60k lines of code and aquamarine "tens of thousands" lines of code. DWM itself is only ~2k lines of code. DWM is also just a window manager while a compositor is very hardware involved and isn't exactly something a user configures. So far it seems impossible to write a suckless compositor.
@@iiisaac1312 Thank you for such a detailed response. So, that is probably why you cannot say DWL is actually "a Wayland DWM", right?
@@marcin.sobocinski Yes and no. DWL does accomplish the task of being a window manager you can customize by modifying the source code of. However, the execution isn't very suckless. If we classify wayland and wlroots or aquamarine as an unfortunate requirements the same way xorg/x11 is an unfortunate requirements for DWM, then you could consider DWL close enough. A true "Wayland DWM" would be made by the Suckless team themselves.
NOT GOOGLE CHROME!
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Why are so many streamers and UA-camrs pushed or trolled into continuing stuff theyve put on the back-burner?
Pick what they give and be happy with that.If one streamer/youtuber stops a project and gets bored with it, theres bound to be someone else that makes videos about the same subject. Its a smoergasboard of stuff. Let the youtubers relax and be happy.
Love for everyone, peace, out.
Please make more videos about WinUtil, because it's awesome !!!
just stealing all my resources with your fancy GUI interfaces - j/k hyprland is good
I switched from Linux to Windows and I have never been more happy. No more bugs!
sway works much better with many games and software (like every single JetBrains IDE for example) where hyprland struggles a lot unfortunately
Wayfire > Hyprland