Dave Plummer Documentary by @Endermanch - ua-cam.com/video/ENQNG85sXRs/v-deo.html - Goes over all the software Dave created in the 2000s, which I removed a bunch of his junk unbeknownst to me. Even though Endermanch was roasting the poor design, he didn't see in its entirety because the adware servers were taken down. It was actually MUCH worse with popups happening all the time!
Kinda scary nowadays how's literally impossible to escape from your past, no matter how serious it is. Not saying this wasn't any serious, it's just scary that people can just call out on other people's past on the Internet, for little as it may be, not allowing anyone to live with regret, but haunted instead.
The era of the smartphone is a scary thing for the younger crowd. I did tons of stupid shit in my 20s. However, In Dave's case he infected millions of people with his malware and him having the influence he has garnered online, I think having the context of his past scams will help incase he decides to run future scams. He has never admitted to this software being malware and even defended the software saying it helped people, which is NOT the truth.
@@TitusTechTalk Jeez I thought he would have some regret, I really like his content. I hace gained a lot of knowledge from him, I will continue watching him, but I will not take his word as serious as I previously did.
WOW! I think that was the very software (Dave Plummer's stuff @ circa 6:00) that made me ditch Windows around 2001 and shift to Linux. I have been using Linux for everything since then. I still hear/see/read people say that you can't use Linux for everything, - well I do.
Took you long enough on Dave. Numerous MSFT folk have talked about him not doing what he claims for years. They kept it low key because tangling with a compulsive liar just leads to problems nobody needs.
@@simpleprogrammingcodes the folks who'll publically say anything about a rich narcissist are few and far between -- a side effect of our legal system not having "loser pays". Easier to look up his court cases if you have access to so-called "public" records, that nowadays require payment or a subscription. Occasionally someone drops one of those somewhere online... but I don't really have any beef enough with the guy to care -- his reputation precedes him, though... if you dig a bit. (Keywords like "controversy" and "lawsuit" and such attached to ANY online persona, are often QUITE interesting searches to do, when deciding on content to support... (Shrug...)
Daves Garage makes interesting videos, but him flexing his wealth as a millionaire rubbed me the wrong, as anytime someone does that. People who value having a lot of money, have to place that above being moral and honest.
Yeah, at first I thought he made his money working at Microsoft. Then I read his book where he says that he had a business and then left Microsoft to concentrate on his business. Now we learn that he made money by installing malware.... And that's someone who has a lot of experience and knowledge, so he would have no problem to find a good job...
I do like Dave. There are a couple of things that come to mind; 1. I'm sure he will learn from the experience. 2. He must have used the US business model aka Ferengi rules of aquisition 😂😂😂
One thing that has always rubbed me wrong about Dave is that anytime someone brings up a concern about privacy on Windows, Dave immediately assumes they are paranoid and insists that the NSA Key is not spyware, even though the NSA Key is not what the person is even talking about. The NSA Key has become a strawman Dave uses to dismiss legitimate privacy concerns in Windows such as Telemetry. Also, Dave seems to have a chip on his shoulder about GNU/Linux.
The Sonnet model is definitely worth looking into more. I have have been experimenting with prompts that are about 3 paragraphs long, and (depending on programming language) the results are starting to get good.
Tech CEOs are all super shady, but that doesn't really have to do with tech, but CEOs and all the other amoral people in pursuit of money above anything else.
I never liked how Dave opens his videos. "Hi I'm Dave Plumber, retired Microsoft Software Engineer who has Autism." I just got a weird feeling that he was sympathy mining while simultaneously appearing excessively trustworthy to his viewership. (It totally worked on me, but also not really since I trust basically no one.) It always just feels strange to watch his video openings, and if people are subscribed to his channel, they likely already know those facts about him, so it just becomes annoying after awhile. Maybe I am insensitive? Maybe I have Autism, so now anybody that says anything bad about this comment should also feel bad!
Be careful when using the QT settings app from outside KDE. I tried to fix my hyprland theming and it worked fine, but when I switched back to Plasma everything was borked, the themes were broken and had to reinstall them
I was pretty disappointed a few years ago when I unsubbed from Dave's Garage and put his videos on the "do not show" blacklist when I heard about this the first time. Especially after his schizo tweet about a secret, closed source binary blob in the Linux kernel only Linus Torvalds had the source for. Fascinating videos and stories about a really cool era in software, but I'd sooner get similar stories from Bryan Lunduke's Microsoft years. Or just watch the Computer Chronicles.
@11:00 qt5ct/qt6ct and set qtapps to use it? Xfce is based on GTK and Thunar is FM for Xfce using GTK. Dolphin is KDE FM and using QT. Sometimes themes just aren't compatible between those because of lack of features. One theme that works nicely GTK look-alike is kvantum. Honestly I've found cross toolkit theming to be a right PITA! Whoops! Someone mentioned this in chat @14:00 😬 Got to watch the whole vid first.
idk if its just because its void linux, but the icon chris uses for the ram/memory, it doesnt work for the fastfetch config, and idk where to find it via nerd fonts site, can anyone help me?
I'm new to linux and I try to follow along and do this stuff but always fail. Are there step by step lists on how to do this stuff? I know im doing things incorrectly but my level in linux is super low.
I used Arch btw Yesterday -Syu killed my install somehow, boot partitions became unmountable (OS couldn't even recognise the format), and Timeshift failed... so spun up a Debian ISO to recover my system... might be back to Arch soon, who knows
He’s talked about his wrong doings in the past before, but internet discourse always frames it as though its some sort of “secret” aka a “conspiracy” so people fell like their discovering something. Example the time he got a job at a gas station by lying about his age but when it was robbed, and the police came to file a report he told them his real age.
this is really disappointing. going JUST from what you said he committed a crime 20 years ago, got caught, prosecuted, paid the price society demanded. we are a culture obsessed with drama and ostracizing people ... i don't know what you should have done here, man, but this feels a little gross. People have a right to know about someone's past, I guess...and you should be allowed to talk about it. I don't pretend to know all the details, and there's a chance you have some knowledge that you are keeping close that would change my view, but when it comes to stories like this -stories about a transgression in someone's past where it seems they paid their debt to society -that we let it be. Or at least be super careful about how we discuss it.
Well: - Has and continues to obfuscate that he ran these scams - Has lied about the Windows start menu in NT4 being progressively drawn (it is a bitmap), and other misstakes - Claims to have developed multiple pieces of software within Windows which don't seem to add up No, this seems like a compulsive lair, and 20 years do not change a compulsive lair, only allows them to exploit you again
Honestly people are acting like there's a lot more there with the Dave thing than it really was. him just being an employee of some company, even a higher paid employee like a CTO, still just a job. Guy landed a high paying job, if you've ever worked for any similarly user-hostile company like HP/Google/Adobe etc then you're exactly as "dirty" as he is in this thing. That type of "marketing" is exactly what every other popular software back in the day did, everything out there was all bundled-toolbars and popups galore. Lots even still do today, like those driver updater apps and CCleaner clones that all act like your computer is going to explode if you don't buy their premium subscription. The whole thing is giant nothingburger, and the dude who made the original video as if he "uncovered" something should be embarrassed.
He was named in the lawsuit and directly profited from it. He wasn't just a CTO of a big company. He was the backer for the company and helped engineer the adware from the 2000s BIG difference in what you are saying. He owned all the domains and it was NOT a large company. www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/attorney-general-s-office-sues-settles-washington-based-softwareonlinecom Dave isn't being truthful in what was disclosed and I appreciated Ender's video showcasing the malware Dave made from that time.
Ive only talked you for a handful times Nixpkgs desktop enviorment, but for arch makes for a good stable desktop. Also take a look at junest , imthinking debian as base then jubest for arch and nixpkgs so you have access to all them pkgs @@TitusTechTalk
Exactly - Just because he previously operated a fraudulent business doesn't mean his current content lacks value. Moreover, this information is publicly accessible, and I believe he even discusses it in his book, suggesting that he's not attempting to conceal his past. I'm not defending him (because what he did is inexcusable) , but revisiting past issues seems unnecessary. It often feels like it's merely a way for others to generate easy content from someone else's mistakes, simply because he is now a popular figure online.
@@unstablenl his current content does lack value though. also saying "if you want to find out you will have to pay me money and buy my book" does not seem very honest
@@unstablenl I like his current content, but people should know he scammed a bunch of people in the 2000s. We are talking millions of users he ripped off as his old software was malware. In his book he makes it seem like it had value, but he was a blight on the software industry with those adware infestations he made. Check out the endermanch video where he installs his old software, albeit a bit gimped with all the adware servers being offline, it was crap. I made a lot of money removing his junk off peoples systems in the 2000s.
@@TitusTechTalk Like I said, I'm not defending him. Maybe I was too broad when I mentioned "others generating easy content" - I certainly wasn't referring to you. What I am trying to say is that some people are just making content to create drama and cancel him, aiming to increase their own viewer and subscriber count. I think that's wrong because he has already gone through the legal process, and all the details are publicly available for everyone to read. It's important to consider how we approach these discussions to ensure they are informed and fair. For example, Enderman's original upload wasn't an objective look at the topic (which he seemed to have acknowledged: "I took down original video because it was poorly researched and contained some misinformation about Dave") - This is dangerous malpractice btw. You know how people on the internet can be. It included many misinformed statements and inaccuracies, and seemed more like an attack on Dave. This is my concern. It’s fine for people to cover these topics, but the approach should be educational, not just more hate speech, cancel culture, or attempts at online vigilantism. It seems like everyone wants to be a top OSINT expert these days, rehashing already public information instead of discovering new insights. Enderman could have created a video about Dave and his malpractices, creating a more educational piece on how these issues have continued into the recent past (consider Avast, for example) and persist today. This would inform viewers about what to watch out for, while still holding Dave accountable. That's just my opinion though.
Who cares if it's old news, even more so if 4chan was a source. Having watched a few of his videos I wasn't aware he was involved in this, now I am. It's always good to be aware of the ethics (past or present) of someone presenting themselves in a certain way online. Lets us form a balanced view of what and how they are presenting.
Yeah, He made a follow up post that a mutual acquaintance reached out to him. Probably didn't want to rock the boat at work as Dave probably still has some friends over there.
Come on… Talk to Plummer, not to SoMe. Who’s “in the right” is just even more noise - there’s too much of that now. Be braver, talk to the guy. Share _that_ dialogue, make the source code open source, opinions are proprietary…
have you tried to talk to him? I maybe wrong, but he seems as "a matter of fact" guy. There has to be something more to it? I also find it strange that this has come after his videos of "crowdstrike" and windows "secure boot" being compromised. This all seems like a hit piece by an initial source, then people like you piling on. I would not be shocked if all of this did not come from Microsoft! BTW, a lot of elite people in the industry come on his show, if he was a bad dude, they would know it before we do, and would not come on and talk with him. This all seems really sketch! I could be wrong, but shouldn't we have all the facts first as to his involvement. Although the software is bad, really bad, we don't really know his involvement? Something is telling me you are going to be on the wrong side of history after this unfolds... Just my gut opinion.
Dave Plummer Documentary by @Endermanch - ua-cam.com/video/ENQNG85sXRs/v-deo.html - Goes over all the software Dave created in the 2000s, which I removed a bunch of his junk unbeknownst to me. Even though Endermanch was roasting the poor design, he didn't see in its entirety because the adware servers were taken down. It was actually MUCH worse with popups happening all the time!
Wait thats the same guy from "Dave's Garage" youtube channel? ..LOL ..thats crazy, I watch his videos sometimes.
Me too, it is wild he was the grandfather a lot of the adware shareware crap in that era.
Kinda scary nowadays how's literally impossible to escape from your past, no matter how serious it is. Not saying this wasn't any serious, it's just scary that people can just call out on other people's past on the Internet, for little as it may be, not allowing anyone to live with regret, but haunted instead.
The era of the smartphone is a scary thing for the younger crowd. I did tons of stupid shit in my 20s.
However, In Dave's case he infected millions of people with his malware and him having the influence he has garnered online, I think having the context of his past scams will help incase he decides to run future scams.
He has never admitted to this software being malware and even defended the software saying it helped people, which is NOT the truth.
@@TitusTechTalk Jeez I thought he would have some regret, I really like his content. I hace gained a lot of knowledge from him, I will continue watching him, but I will not take his word as serious as I previously did.
WOW!
I think that was the very software (Dave Plummer's stuff @ circa 6:00) that made me ditch Windows around 2001 and shift to Linux. I have been using Linux for everything since then.
I still hear/see/read people say that you can't use Linux for everything, - well I do.
Took you long enough on Dave. Numerous MSFT folk have talked about him not doing what he claims for years. They kept it low key because tangling with a compulsive liar just leads to problems nobody needs.
What do they say? Do you have a link?
@@simpleprogrammingcodes the folks who'll publically say anything about a rich narcissist are few and far between -- a side effect of our legal system not having "loser pays". Easier to look up his court cases if you have access to so-called "public" records, that nowadays require payment or a subscription. Occasionally someone drops one of those somewhere online... but I don't really have any beef enough with the guy to care -- his reputation precedes him, though... if you dig a bit. (Keywords like "controversy" and "lawsuit" and such attached to ANY online persona, are often QUITE interesting searches to do, when deciding on content to support... (Shrug...)
Daves Garage makes interesting videos, but him flexing his wealth as a millionaire rubbed me the wrong, as anytime someone does that.
People who value having a lot of money, have to place that above being moral and honest.
He flexes wealth. I didn't see that? Now I'm intrigued. I'm not enamoured by that kind of behaviour.
What's wrong with flexing wealth?
Yeah, at first I thought he made his money working at Microsoft. Then I read his book where he says that he had a business and then left Microsoft to concentrate on his business. Now we learn that he made money by installing malware.... And that's someone who has a lot of experience and knowledge, so he would have no problem to find a good job...
Kinda natural that all related to Microsoft it's scamish.
Inútil means Useless in Spanish. So when I read Linutil, you know, that was funny...
I do like Dave. There are a couple of things that come to mind;
1. I'm sure he will learn from the experience.
2. He must have used the US business model aka Ferengi rules of aquisition 😂😂😂
Thank You Chris! Your streams are super awesome, and commend you for using different Linux distros and offering honest feedback
One thing that has always rubbed me wrong about Dave is that anytime someone brings up a concern about privacy on Windows, Dave immediately assumes they are paranoid and insists that the NSA Key is not spyware, even though the NSA Key is not what the person is even talking about. The NSA Key has become a strawman Dave uses to dismiss legitimate privacy concerns in Windows such as Telemetry.
Also, Dave seems to have a chip on his shoulder about GNU/Linux.
The Sonnet model is definitely worth looking into more. I have have been experimenting with prompts that are about 3 paragraphs long, and (depending on programming language) the results are starting to get good.
Are we allowed to mention lunduke here?
I think so. He mentions him from time to time...
Chris needs to add a kernel boot driver into his winutils package for side channel updates and do some GSOP popups 😸
Dave Plummer looks criminal in that thumbnail.
He isnt?
Not accidental
That's because he was. Scamming millions with adware and forced to pay a $400,000 dollar settlement to the state of Washington.
Tech CEOs are all super shady, but that doesn't really have to do with tech, but CEOs and all the other amoral people in pursuit of money above anything else.
I never liked how Dave opens his videos. "Hi I'm Dave Plumber, retired Microsoft Software Engineer who has Autism." I just got a weird feeling that he was sympathy mining while simultaneously appearing excessively trustworthy to his viewership. (It totally worked on me, but also not really since I trust basically no one.) It always just feels strange to watch his video openings, and if people are subscribed to his channel, they likely already know those facts about him, so it just becomes annoying after awhile. Maybe I am insensitive? Maybe I have Autism, so now anybody that says anything bad about this comment should also feel bad!
That thumbnail is awesome
Be careful when using the QT settings app from outside KDE.
I tried to fix my hyprland theming and it worked fine, but when I switched back to Plasma everything was borked, the themes were broken and had to reinstall them
The Dave Plummer stuff is public knowledge, or is there a new campaign to get him recancelled? 😮
I was pretty disappointed a few years ago when I unsubbed from Dave's Garage and put his videos on the "do not show" blacklist when I heard about this the first time. Especially after his schizo tweet about a secret, closed source binary blob in the Linux kernel only Linus Torvalds had the source for. Fascinating videos and stories about a really cool era in software, but I'd sooner get similar stories from Bryan Lunduke's Microsoft years. Or just watch the Computer Chronicles.
@11:00 qt5ct/qt6ct and set qtapps to use it? Xfce is based on GTK and Thunar is FM for Xfce using GTK. Dolphin is KDE FM and using QT. Sometimes themes just aren't compatible between those because of lack of features. One theme that works nicely GTK look-alike is kvantum.
Honestly I've found cross toolkit theming to be a right PITA!
Whoops! Someone mentioned this in chat @14:00 😬 Got to watch the whole vid first.
yeah, thought there was something a bit off, about him
What are you using these days for Root Kit detection? Thanks.
does win utility auto update? Has anything new come out since march 2024?
idk if its just because its void linux, but the icon chris uses for the ram/memory, it doesnt work for the fastfetch config, and idk where to find it via nerd fonts site, can anyone help me?
I'm new to linux and I try to follow along and do this stuff but always fail. Are there step by step lists on how to do this stuff? I know im doing things incorrectly but my level in linux is super low.
I use arch btw.
i dont believe you.
I tried to use Arch...
I love the Golden Arches. 🍔🍟
I used Arch btw
Yesterday -Syu killed my install somehow, boot partitions became unmountable (OS couldn't even recognise the format), and Timeshift failed... so spun up a Debian ISO to recover my system... might be back to Arch soon, who knows
Have you tried LFS?
@32:20 What about zypper it's not got the quote wrapping around the PACKAGER variable. Keeping it consistent 😸
People who only use a window manager instead of a DE, what do you use to manage bluetooth and wifi?
I have used nmtiu before for wifi in terminal
I just watched his crowdstrike video.
I'm with you on this.
He’s talked about his wrong doings in the past before, but internet discourse always frames it as though its some sort of “secret” aka a “conspiracy” so people fell like their discovering something.
Example the time he got a job at a gas station by lying about his age but when it was robbed, and the police came to file a report he told them his real age.
this is really disappointing. going JUST from what you said he committed a crime 20 years ago, got caught, prosecuted, paid the price society demanded. we are a culture obsessed with drama and ostracizing people ... i don't know what you should have done here, man, but this feels a little gross. People have a right to know about someone's past, I guess...and you should be allowed to talk about it. I don't pretend to know all the details, and there's a chance you have some knowledge that you are keeping close that would change my view, but when it comes to stories like this -stories about a transgression in someone's past where it seems they paid their debt to society -that we let it be. Or at least be super careful about how we discuss it.
Yeah, I'm not sure what was so newsworthy or "breaking" about this lol seems like people just wanting drama for drama's sake.
Agreed
Well:
- Has and continues to obfuscate that he ran these scams
- Has lied about the Windows start menu in NT4 being progressively drawn (it is a bitmap), and other misstakes
- Claims to have developed multiple pieces of software within Windows which don't seem to add up
No, this seems like a compulsive lair, and 20 years do not change a compulsive lair, only allows them to exploit you again
I watched a few of his videos and definitely got that vibe. Haven't watched him since.
It's a fine grey line 1px wide.
That gtr wallpaper is fire do you mind giving us a link ?
I think we need the details to know how involved he actually was
I remember hijackthis! Good times
theming was the reason i switched to nautilus.
I do wonder how the linuxutil will be different than what xerolinux already offers
I saw some of his YT vids. It’s funny, he doesn’t use Windows as his host OS. 😂😊
Honestly people are acting like there's a lot more there with the Dave thing than it really was. him just being an employee of some company, even a higher paid employee like a CTO, still just a job. Guy landed a high paying job, if you've ever worked for any similarly user-hostile company like HP/Google/Adobe etc then you're exactly as "dirty" as he is in this thing. That type of "marketing" is exactly what every other popular software back in the day did, everything out there was all bundled-toolbars and popups galore. Lots even still do today, like those driver updater apps and CCleaner clones that all act like your computer is going to explode if you don't buy their premium subscription. The whole thing is giant nothingburger, and the dude who made the original video as if he "uncovered" something should be embarrassed.
He was named in the lawsuit and directly profited from it. He wasn't just a CTO of a big company. He was the backer for the company and helped engineer the adware from the 2000s BIG difference in what you are saying. He owned all the domains and it was NOT a large company.
www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/attorney-general-s-office-sues-settles-washington-based-softwareonlinecom
Dave isn't being truthful in what was disclosed and I appreciated Ender's video showcasing the malware Dave made from that time.
Ive only talked you for a handful times
Nixpkgs desktop enviorment, but for arch makes for a good stable desktop. Also take a look at junest , imthinking debian as base then jubest for arch and nixpkgs so you have access to all them pkgs
@@TitusTechTalk
The davepl situation is old news, seen it talked about on 4chan and kf many times.
Exactly - Just because he previously operated a fraudulent business doesn't mean his current content lacks value. Moreover, this information is publicly accessible, and I believe he even discusses it in his book, suggesting that he's not attempting to conceal his past. I'm not defending him (because what he did is inexcusable) , but revisiting past issues seems unnecessary. It often feels like it's merely a way for others to generate easy content from someone else's mistakes, simply because he is now a popular figure online.
@@unstablenl his current content does lack value though. also saying "if you want to find out you will have to pay me money and buy my book" does not seem very honest
@@unstablenl I like his current content, but people should know he scammed a bunch of people in the 2000s. We are talking millions of users he ripped off as his old software was malware. In his book he makes it seem like it had value, but he was a blight on the software industry with those adware infestations he made.
Check out the endermanch video where he installs his old software, albeit a bit gimped with all the adware servers being offline, it was crap. I made a lot of money removing his junk off peoples systems in the 2000s.
@@TitusTechTalk Like I said, I'm not defending him. Maybe I was too broad when I mentioned "others generating easy content" - I certainly wasn't referring to you. What I am trying to say is that some people are just making content to create drama and cancel him, aiming to increase their own viewer and subscriber count. I think that's wrong because he has already gone through the legal process, and all the details are publicly available for everyone to read. It's important to consider how we approach these discussions to ensure they are informed and fair. For example, Enderman's original upload wasn't an objective look at the topic (which he seemed to have acknowledged: "I took down original video because it was poorly researched and contained some misinformation about Dave") - This is dangerous malpractice btw. You know how people on the internet can be. It included many misinformed statements and inaccuracies, and seemed more like an attack on Dave. This is my concern. It’s fine for people to cover these topics, but the approach should be educational, not just more hate speech, cancel culture, or attempts at online vigilantism. It seems like everyone wants to be a top OSINT expert these days, rehashing already public information instead of discovering new insights. Enderman could have created a video about Dave and his malpractices, creating a more educational piece on how these issues have continued into the recent past (consider Avast, for example) and persist today. This would inform viewers about what to watch out for, while still holding Dave accountable. That's just my opinion though.
Who cares if it's old news, even more so if 4chan was a source. Having watched a few of his videos I wasn't aware he was involved in this, now I am. It's always good to be aware of the ethics (past or present) of someone presenting themselves in a certain way online. Lets us form a balanced view of what and how they are presenting.
"Ai Can't code for shit" no kidding. Good show.
Dave really starting to look like Pierre Sprey
Does it matter?
Tim Misiak deleted the post saying “it got more attention than I think was warranted”…
Yeah, He made a follow up post that a mutual acquaintance reached out to him. Probably didn't want to rock the boat at work as Dave probably still has some friends over there.
linutil?
People will do *anything* to avoid just setting up agented config management.
Dave had a Bill Gates arc
Get down
If this is true about Dave, people can change. Just because he did something crooked in the past, he might be a more honest guy now.
oof yea i hate a lot of tech people smh
BREAKING NEWS! Chris Titus farted in a crowded elevator once and blamed it on an old lady!
BSOD! 💩
no he actually crapped on them 😂
Come on… Talk to Plummer, not to SoMe. Who’s “in the right” is just even more noise - there’s too much of that now.
Be braver, talk to the guy. Share _that_ dialogue, make the source code open source, opinions are proprietary…
have you tried to talk to him? I maybe wrong, but he seems as "a matter of fact" guy. There has to be something more to it? I also find it strange that this has come after his videos of "crowdstrike" and windows "secure boot" being compromised. This all seems like a hit piece by an initial source, then people like you piling on. I would not be shocked if all of this did not come from Microsoft! BTW, a lot of elite people in the industry come on his show, if he was a bad dude, they would know it before we do, and would not come on and talk with him. This all seems really sketch! I could be wrong, but shouldn't we have all the facts first as to his involvement. Although the software is bad, really bad, we don't really know his involvement? Something is telling me you are going to be on the wrong side of history after this unfolds... Just my gut opinion.
He'll get the clicks he so desires though... Oof.