I'm seventy one years old. Having been raised in the pentecostal cult, I remember in second grade. I was in bed at night crying, my mom walked in. Ask me why I was crying. And I told her that the teacher had told us that we were gonna be doing some. Square dancing at school the next day, and that I was going to be going to hell. The things that people do to their children to indoctrinate them into this cesspool, of self acclaimed religion, it definitely constitutes child abuse.
Or having to sign id stay a virgin at 10 not even understanding what sex was. It caused me to rebel and it’s my fault I became an addict I’m proudly almost a decade sober
@steve I’m the same age and I totally relate. My dad was a pastor and we weren’t supposed to dance. I remember my brother used to run the record player to get out of it, my sister went to the library and sinner that I was, I threw my shoe into the ring (the boys grabbed a shoe to pick their partner so we girls would wave our other shoe at our 4th grade boyfriend 🤷🏻♀️) and I’d join the square. To my 10 year old mind, I wasn’t dancing and was in PE class.
@@hannah3146 congrats on being a decade sober. That's a great victory . I know it's hard seeing my Uncle Rudolph struggling to be sober, he was in the marines back in the day. Uncle Rudy saw some horrible things done to fellow humans and use alcohol to cope
I agree that children are not to pillaged with indoctrination, especially when they are still social ly and emotionally developing. It's use of doctrine towards manipulation.
Your issues with the church after what you think is your right. But many of us grew up non conformist . So, many have better reasons with their faith, than you have had. You went from one extreme to the other. But that has been a problem in the Bible belt mostly. Popular evangelicalism carries many strange assimilations within it. And downright legalistic about it.
lol your accent coming out every time is the best part playing the part of the evangelical 😂 but its so true and how pastors talk they have a certain cadence about them and it always made me so mad
One time, I burnt my finger on the stove when I was younger, and my aunt asked me if it hurt. I said yes, and she said, "Well, can you imagine what hell will feel like!"😱👹 She was always putting fear into me!!!
10:40 you’ve brought up one of my biggest questions isnt god just offing himself. and so many christians believe that to be a selfish act. it makes no sense to me. and the more longer and harder you think about it is cookoo
I’ve often heard Christians say that during praise and worship, the devil remains inactive, but as soon as the pastor begins preaching, distractions arise. A child might cry, the microphone might malfunction, or someone might act in a way that shifts attention from the message. I find this belief puzzling because Christians also believe that Jesus is present during church services and that Satan and demons tremble at the mention of His name. If this is the case, how could Satan possibly cause distractions in such a setting?
I love how everyone can come to this site and ask the questions we've all had since childhood. Some of us were too embarrassed to ask them as kids, or afraid to, but they're really good questions! I feel like I'm in the company of lovely, kindhearted, honest children here.
The best thing my parents did for us kids was to expose us to the fellowship and community service aspects of organized religion but allow us to make up our own minds and relationship to spirituality. They saved us from years and decades of fear, guilt, and doubt because we got to observe life for ourselves, and find God through our own experience, or not. I love that they respected us enough to do that. I saw God everywhere in nature, and as an adult realized only a conscious, creative being could have created the universe. It was ridiculously obvious that the god of the Bible - that petty, vengeful disciplinarian, could never have been that creative, or imaginative, or have that much beauty in his nature. The god of the Bible was created in the image of the controlling, authoritarian men who wrote it.
In The Bible, they make it sound like A&E were created, tricked and banished from paradise on the same day. Talk about not giving folks a fighting chance! They were framed!!!
Yeah ok. Well I guess it would depend on what “god” you are referring to. I won’t make assumptions that you are referring to the blood thirsty Abrahamic god. Man creates all gods in his image, according to their culture and environment.
@momentswithyahya4239 in which case it makes no difference which god they're talking about so that's a pointless response. None of those gods are real anyway and even if there is a real God it wouldn't be one of those all too human gods
Another great vid here, Timmy G.!!😊💯👍 Growing up Christian, it's par for the course to learn about the Devil, his demon pals, and Hell 🔥 And to fear him and his tactics because Christians believe he's after them most of all. Even today, my Christian mom believes Satan is behind Trumpism and that's why there are so many ppl going away from the church, in the end times. She takes everything in the Bible literally. But, truly no one is supposed to question the validity of the fallen angels..like why an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving holy God would create an evil being 👿 in the first place 🤔 Remember Lucifer and the other demons were "fallen angels" who used to live in Heaven..a place where believers say it's perfect and without sin..I think for me it takes good mental gymnastics to try and figure it all out! And, boy, you are so right saying that after deconstructing from Evangelicalism the "salvation message" no longer sounds beautiful but really is "wackadoodle" God sent himself to sacrifice to himself in order to please himself??🤯🤪
Why would you be scared of the devil if you believe God is omnipotent and he's got your back? And why would you be scared of the devil if God is supposedly even worse?
@@timmygibsonkc What's also funny is that you act more the way a Christian is supposed to act than 99% of Christians I've ever met or seen. They love telling non Christians how to behave while never following their own principles and judging non Christians even though their Bible tells them not to. Being a Christian for them is just belonging to a special club to feel superior to those that are not in it as well as a get out of jail free card to just act however they want and justify it because "they're saved". They love to preach, but they sure hate to practice.
If the "greatest trick of the devil is to get people to not believe in him," then what is the point of demonic possession? Doesn't that fly in the face of that goal?
So true! All the talk of Jesus Mighty Ruler of the Universe and all Powers being subjected to Him, was just us whistling past the graveyard. It was a scary world we lived in, demons around every corner and the ever looming fear that at the end, for all our praying we could still be told that "I never knew you".
This might sound a little strange, but it's true. I had my big "Aha!" moment by looking at a cat's mouth. I love cats and have had them all my life, and one day I decided that the absolute cutest thing in the entire world is that little upturned curve of a cat's mouth. I actually said out loud "God must have been in a really good mood when he created you guys." That is the realization that broke open the barriers I had to contemplating God. When I started to see that organization of any kind is conscious, it became apparent to me that a super consciousness is behind everything in creation. And it's always been ridiculously obvious that it's not the god of the Bible because that guy is a tyrant, completely devoid of compassion. Who's behind it and in all of it is the one that thought up cats, and everything else you have to have a sense of humor for. I still can't figure out why we were created to have to eat other living things in order to live, but I guess I'll just have to keep it on my list of questions for when the time is right.
Just found your channel and this video.. Gotta say I love it already. You're too funny. Great personality. And logic. I've recently started making vids on similar topics. Keep waking people up and keep up the good work 👍🏽
@@timmygibsonkc You're welcome. The Jesus impersonation and sandbar (walking on water) had me crying laughing!😢 😢 😭 . Thats so damn funny! The Bible starts off as a fable with talking serpent and by definition it's fiction. So that means from the get-go the whole entire book is a fictional fable/ mythology.. All the violence in the Old Testament in dictatorship by "God" is Absolutely Ridiculous; and to flood the whole entire Earth with innocent animals and children is absolutely insane to believe. How do you flood a globe that's already 80% water as is?. Unless the Earth is not a globe to begin with🤔 LOL. In any case. Great work!
@@timmygibsonkc Simply Put, the Bible starts off as a fable with the Garden of Eden story and talking serpent...So the rest is "fictional history" with certain good moral teachings on how to live life. Other than that, it should NOT be taken serious at all! In my opinion,
I’m not a Christian but I believe when people says God healed me it’s not so much a miracle but God Allowed all the right processes to be available that it resulted in being cure as that same remedy not working on another person even though it’s the same cancer.Also For example the particular Doctor and him being born and going through everything in his life that lead to him being my doctor and allowing the cure to happen by his judgement. There’s no doubt that coincidences like this happen far more than we like to admit as that’s why it’s so easily acceptable religious or not to believe in destiny, in karma, luck.etc. Due to humans inferring from experience situations so perfectly orchestrated that it almost seems meant to be, a blessing, influenced by more than what we can explain.
I still am terrified to go to hell because we can’t say 100 what happens after death. Is there anyway to stop it? Real advice would be appreciated I have a lot of religious trauma
The question you should ask yourself is why are you afraid of the Christian hell but not the hell of other religions? If you embrace Christianity, you are a heretic according to Judaism and subject to the hell of orthodox Jews. You are also headed to the Muslim hell and the hell of countless other religions. There's no way to escape all the hells being preached about, other than to accept that there's no proof of any of them and no reason to believe any of them are anything more than fiction.
It can take many years to overcome such deeply embedded fears. I can't presume to know what'll work for you, but I found total relief after 60 years by: 1. Sharing with good friend(s) who've been thru the same. 2. Education about OBJECTIVE REALITY -- what we are and WHERE we are in the cosmos (there's NO WAY Earth could the center of godly attention). 3. Learning just how obviously religion is linked to our long struggle to survive in a harsh, brutal environment. 4. Unlearning that your "identity" must be based on gender, sexuality, ancestry, geography, religion, politics, possessions and level of hotness. Instead, identifying by your personality, talents and skills, creativity and imagination, originality, level of happiness, quality of relationships, helpfulness.... and a whole host of other, far more fulfilling things than anything religion has to offer, LOL.
Yes. If you only choose to follow something out of fear that isn't true belief. If there turns out to be a god you can stand and say you lived honestly rather than from fear. Wouldn't he have some respect for that?
An excellent place to start would be the book Proof of Heaven by Eben Alexander. It affected me profoundly. He is a neurosurgeon who almost died from an acute case of bacterial meningitis - his family was told he was brain dead and would never come out of his coma, and then he woke up. What he experienced while his brain was completely shut down points to the reality of consciousness being way beyond us and our thinking brain. I knew someone years ago who had a similar experience and it changed her forever, so I believe people who have had near death experiences. It is not the brain hallucinating, as some think. Consciousness is all connected, it is in all things, and it's way beyond the cruel, narrow dictates that fundamentalist religions have used to mentally and emotionally torture other human beings. Be kinder and more forgiving towards yourself, and please read the book.
It's fine to be spiritual without being super strict about the dogma. (It's bad to be strict about it.) I find it likely that your soul will end up exactly where you know it will deep down.
*Atheist Near Death'ers* declare that life continues! How can that _not_ give you pause? Judgement and condemnation are reported to be of our own making -- and apparently need not be "forever".
Yes many people with NDE's speak of their life review while they're over there, and it is they themselves that judge their actions, not God. They speak of a level of compassion that emanates from the super consciousness they find themselves with - that is beyond anything anyone can even imagine. I think it's so tragic that people the world over still get coerced into believing in a tyrannical god - it has caused so much damage to peoples' lives.
Having left the faith, I now see gods unwillingness to forgive former angels turned demons as just another sign of his falsehood. Yet another failure on his part.
The Lord God who is the Sun is male during the six nights/months (autumn equinox - spring equinox) and is female during the six days/months (spring equinox - autumn equinox.
It takes a wise person to admit they were wrong. If there is a god I cannot help but think that god would not be so petty in thinking humans would have the capacity to think on such a high level of intelligence
I honestly have never gotten the sense that humans were created for our intellect. Any race that annihilates itself with endless war and aggression is too irrational to be truly great thinkers, with maybe some exceptions.
After divorce, deconstruction, etc. I think about your whole entire being / self has changed. And how most anyone in your old life must be appalled at the least
I enjoy your talks Timmy, great energy! For many (most?) of your audience who used to GO to church, it's a step better to hear the scoop from someone who was actually a pastor. It's a bit like getting the answer key to a test from a teacher. But in this case the teacher gave the kids the answer key because he found out himself the subject matter, along with the test, were BS, and always had been.
Why would an all knowing being create something that it knows it will defy it and then punish his creation knowing they would defy it after being mislead by the thing it knew would misled its creation. The God of Abraham is the biggest jerk that never was.
The God of Moses (Greek Ganymede) was Zeus. Zeus fell in love with young Moses/Ganymede and carried him on eagle wings to Mt. Olympus. The writers changed Mt. Olympus to Mt. Sinai (Mt. of the Moon).
@ I doubt Moses existed let alone what God he was into. It’s all fiction with esoteric meaning written by the Adepts of occult society to pull the wool over the (profane)sheep’s eyes. Why Zionism is an abomination and biggest threat to a free humanity.
Yes! I remember while a believer, every time at Bible study meetings what we had to listen was: THIS THAT SATAN😅THIS THAT WORLDLY THINGS are SATANIC😅Then, after emphasizing SATAN so many times next was repetition of Jah Jah Jah like 100 times saying Our God will protect us from Satan😂What a spell we were in😅
I have been in a little bit different position since I stopped believing. I look too much in the past and I feel some regrets. I know moving forward is the right thing to do but I don’t know yet how. I wish it happened soon.
You’ll get there! I just don’t find value in living with a cloud of regret hanging over my head making me sad. Obviously it does sadden me sometimes at all the things I said that are false.
There have been studies done about the efficacy of prayer in the healthcare field and how it affects patient outcomes. Turns out that the cases where prayer was involved actually had more negative outcomes than cases where prayer was never used. Hmmmm.... And then in those situations where the outcome WAS positive, the number of people that will resort to the "See? God used the doctors to heal you." If prayer actually WORKED, the doctors shouldn't / wouldn't have been needed in the first place.
For Adam and Eve's sin to curse the ENTIRETY of creation proves the biblical god is neither loving nor just. To doom particularly the animals with lives of fear and predation for something they had no control over cannot be considered just in ANY kind of context. Neither is the generation punishment inflicted on humanity due to that first mistake that god knew would happen (if he is actually omniscient, which the bible itself shows NOT to be the case over and over) at a time when first Eve and then Adam didn't even know it was wrong (what fruit were they eating? Oh, yeah....the knowledge of good and evil. They wouldn't have even known it was wrong to disobey god at that point) is neither fair nor just. If you can moralize that type of justice, then we should still be interning the Japanese because their ancestors had the gall to attack us at Pearl Harbor.
Yes, and to condemn all women to the pain of childbirth because of what Eve supposedly did, as if pushing a watermelon through a part of your body with a much smaller diameter was EVER going to be pleasurable.
I think it was hitchens who said this... Youre choking. What do you want me to do? The hiemlich maneuver, or pray for you? Anyone answering truthfully will say the h maneuver. Anyone being honest with themselves should then ask, what happened to my faith in God? Why would i wish for a human to intervene rather than an all powerful god who hears and answers prayers? Those are questions worth pondering.
Unfortunately, logic and critical thinking have never paired well with religious dogma. Except when it does and beautiful humans free themselves from the tyranny imposed on them when they were children.
I would like to think when we die our soul or spirit can come back and visit family. But who knows. I believe that there isn’t a heaven or a hell, or a purgatory, as a Catholic we were taught. What I tend to believe is that once we die that’s it we are gone, it just like when we are put under anesthesia, nothing no consciousness not nothing, we are just buried or cremated and gone.
atheist here, i have my opinion about religion in general :p , but i will keep that for myself for now. hehe. Anyway, i have seen this documentary about this local girl in my country and she lived in the bible belt and she was extremely fearful towards god. She only would wear skirts beyond the knee (no jeans) etc etc And she did that, because she was so afraid of making god angry and that she would be punished by him.
The heavenly man a book by brother Yun from China .. this is a book of modern man walking on water.. its worth reading he tells about his life in China.
The plan of salvation: God decides that ANY KIND OF sin deserves death. A bit extreme. We flawed humans are far more enlightened than that. But I digress...And that for sin to be forgiven requires a blood sacrifice. Again, a bit extreme. So god sends himself as a sacrifice to himself to satisfy the rules he made himself and then raises himself to return to himself. Huh??? IF you think about this, there WAS no sacrifice. Why? Because god raised Jesus. Something must be lost to be a sacrifice. Jesus didn't lose anything. He had a bad weekend. If you immediately get back what you lost (3 days in the span of eternity is pretty immediate) then how can it be claimed that a sacrifice occurred? Now if Jesus had STAYED dead, then yes, THAT could be considered a sacrifice. But as the story is told, nope. Just convoluted nonsense to the max.
Lucky you! Seriously! Something it’s the fundamentalism that poisoned me … and that’s fine, but i investigated all the more liberal perspectives and found them false too.
You weren't delusional. Belief is very common. It is possibly the normal state of humankind. What you were is constantly defending your position. If believers were more honest, they would admit the person they defend themselves against is most often themselves. And yes in America why don't Christians have lower car insurance?
Be-LIE-ving the lie so long, makes people forget even who they truly are, their soul contract, their destiny, or purpose for being born here at all. For now. Cause sooner or later, everyone accepts the truth for what it is. It is what it is. For now❤
There were several things, but I suppose it was when I considered my view of all other non-Christian beliefs systems (religions) were wrong, so it was possible my beliefs (religions) was wrong. Then the cards began to fall.
I had a bowl of porridge with raisins and prunes, with a glass of apple juice. Followed by sardines in tomato sauce on whole wheat toast with a cup of black coffee.
Hey Timmy, the historical Jesus is just a normal folk, an illiterate peasant. The mythical Jesus, the one from the Bible has never existed. Hugs from Brazil, from an ex-Evangelical Christian Atheist.
Evil does not exist as an independent, tangible entity. Rather, 'evil' is a label we assign to actions, behaviors, or events that we perceive as morally wrong or harmful. It’s important to distinguish between the concept of evil as a moral judgment and the idea of evil as a concrete object or force. To illustrate, consider the concept of football. Football is not a physical object, but an activity or system with rules and structures. It’s a social construct that exists because we agree upon it and participate in it. In a similar way, 'evil' exists not as a thing in itself but as a judgment we apply to actions that conflict with ethical principles or cause unnecessary harm. So, while we can describe certain actions or behaviors as 'evil,' this does not imply that 'evil' is a physical entity, but rather a descriptor for human behavior or decisions that are seen as morally reprehensible. The idea of evil, much like football, only exists within the context of human thought, ethics, and social agreements.
@@johnburn8031 Thank you for this. The football analogy is a clearly presented example, and explanation, of what agnostics/atheists typically know but don't always articulate well.
A very interesting video. I always wonder why every Christian fears the devil. You believe in God and his son. They are supposed to be stronger than the devil. But yet the devil is on par with God when the devil is supposed to be his servant. It's hilarious. About believing in spirits and life after death. I practice Shinto and Zen Buddhism as well as Wicca. I respect your beliefs but someday you might encounter something supernatural. It's something universal in every culture. Call it mythology if you like. A fantasy. But for some just as beings dwell in the physical world. There are things such as bacteria that exist but are not seen. So does the supernatural. Well that's my view. But yeah I don't believe those who are Christians shouldn't be afraid of the devil or put him or her in par or equal to their God. Otherwise by doing that, you are actually worshipping the devil. Otherwise Gnosticism is right there is an evil Deity which wants to enslave humanity.
you spend more time talking about God then Christians do. maybe people will stop believing in God when you do. because people don't talk about what they don't believe in. 20:16
You should still be scared of the "crazy God who created the devil" because he still exists and you are still subject to his will no matter what you think or do. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
@@timmygibsonkc What is hateful about stating the actual truth? Fear of the Lord is like fear of fire. Fire is a very useful tool, but it can also be deadly if you don't respect it.
Psalm104:14 Du låter gräs skjuta upp för djuren och örter till människans tjänst. ... Swedish bible 1917 its in english about medicine that you get from " örter och växter "... in english it would be herbs but it could allso be all kinds of things that grows from the ground that can be used to heal people... So i guess medicine is ok to use allso not just pray a prayer like some people think should be the only way or ells its not God that did it.
I'm seventy one years old. Having been raised in the pentecostal cult, I remember in second grade. I was in bed at night crying, my mom walked in. Ask me why I was crying.
And I told her that the teacher had told us that we were gonna be doing some. Square dancing at school the next day, and that I was going to be going to hell. The things that people do to their children to indoctrinate them into this cesspool, of self acclaimed religion, it definitely constitutes child abuse.
Or having to sign id stay a virgin at 10 not even understanding what sex was. It caused me to rebel and it’s my fault I became an addict I’m proudly almost a decade sober
@steve I’m the same age and I totally relate. My dad was a pastor and we weren’t supposed to dance. I remember my brother used to run the record player to get out of it, my sister went to the library and sinner that I was, I threw my shoe into the ring (the boys grabbed a shoe to pick their partner so we girls would wave our other shoe at our 4th grade boyfriend 🤷🏻♀️) and I’d join the square. To my 10 year old mind, I wasn’t dancing and was in PE class.
@@hannah3146 congrats on being a decade sober. That's a great victory . I know it's hard seeing my Uncle Rudolph struggling to be sober, he was in the marines back in the day. Uncle Rudy saw some horrible things done to fellow humans and use alcohol to cope
I agree that children are not to pillaged with indoctrination, especially when they are still social ly and emotionally developing. It's use of doctrine towards manipulation.
Your issues with the church after what you think is your right. But many of us grew up non conformist . So, many have better reasons with their faith, than you have had. You went from one extreme to the other. But that has been a problem in the Bible belt mostly. Popular evangelicalism carries many strange assimilations within it. And downright legalistic about it.
As Christians, what we should fear is not evil spirits, but discrimination and harm against the socially weak in the name of the Bible.
Well that was nice of you. Too bad you can't all have that opinion.
lol your accent coming out every time is the best part playing the part of the evangelical 😂 but its so true and how pastors talk they have a certain cadence about them and it always made me so mad
One time, I burnt my finger on the stove when I was younger, and my aunt asked me if it hurt. I said yes, and she said, "Well, can you imagine what hell will feel like!"😱👹
She was always putting fear into me!!!
Oh yes, FEAR! Our Christian org was, y’all get destroyed at Armageddon by Jah if won’t obey😅
Its not Satan and his demons who are evil. Its the christians them self.
But they cant see it.
@grimlund So true! I don't blame god nor the devil! My aunt was absolutely horrible!!✌🏻
@@grimlund , 💯 percent TRUE.
I'm sorry you went through it. Your aunt was terrible.
10:40 you’ve brought up one of my biggest questions isnt god just offing himself. and so many christians believe that to be a selfish act. it makes no sense to me. and the more longer and harder you think about it is cookoo
😂🤣😂🤪 you crack me up! With your silly voice and faces! 😂😂❤. Gave me the giggles 🤭
The difference between Tim the pastor and Tim the atheist is that the pastor would not apologize for talking gibberish.
The biblical devil/satan is a collection of stars called the scorpion.
I have a pet scorpion @@harveywabbit9541
@@harveywabbit9541 where did you find that? Never heard of it
So you keep claiming. Nobody takes you seriously, though.
Because claiming is all you do.@harveywabbit9541
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Try.... Science of the Bible or Hebrew Mythology, by Milton Woolley. Free on the net.
I’ve often heard Christians say that during praise and worship, the devil remains inactive, but as soon as the pastor begins preaching, distractions arise. A child might cry, the microphone might malfunction, or someone might act in a way that shifts attention from the message. I find this belief puzzling because Christians also believe that Jesus is present during church services and that Satan and demons tremble at the mention of His name. If this is the case, how could Satan possibly cause distractions in such a setting?
So true!
@@MphoMokoena-t2v They want to have it both ways.
I love how everyone can come to this site and ask the questions we've all had since childhood. Some of us were too embarrassed to ask them as kids, or afraid to, but they're really good questions! I feel like I'm in the company of lovely, kindhearted, honest children here.
U got balls Timmy. I love it. 🎉
Ha ha
The best thing my parents did for us kids was to expose us to the fellowship and community service aspects of organized religion but allow us to make up our own minds and relationship to spirituality. They saved us from years and decades of fear, guilt, and doubt because we got to observe life for ourselves, and find God through our own experience, or not. I love that they respected us enough to do that. I saw God everywhere in nature, and as an adult realized only a conscious, creative being could have created the universe. It was ridiculously obvious that the god of the Bible - that petty, vengeful disciplinarian, could never have been that creative, or imaginative, or have that much beauty in his nature. The god of the Bible was created in the image of the controlling, authoritarian men who wrote it.
In The Bible, they make it sound like A&E were created, tricked and banished from paradise on the same day. Talk about not giving folks a fighting chance! They were framed!!!
True
As a human, I fear men more than God
After all, Man made God and The Holey Script-Yourz 🔥👋👺
so did King David..men are far worse.
Well men came up with this crazy shit after all 😂
Yeah ok. Well I guess it would depend on what “god” you are referring to. I won’t make assumptions that you are referring to the blood thirsty Abrahamic god.
Man creates all gods in his image, according to their culture and environment.
@momentswithyahya4239 in which case it makes no difference which god they're talking about so that's a pointless response. None of those gods are real anyway and even if there is a real God it wouldn't be one of those all too human gods
Ricky Gervais said it very nice.
"You don't believe in 2999 gods from other religions. I just don''t believe in 1 more.
Love that quote!
Amen Timmy!!! Im so proud of you & how far you have come! Welcome to the side of reality, its much better over here 💞
Wow. What a statement.
Thank you so much!
@@timmygibsonkc Prayers.
Another great vid here, Timmy G.!!😊💯👍
Growing up Christian, it's par for the course to learn about the Devil, his demon pals, and Hell 🔥 And to fear him and his tactics because Christians believe he's after them most of all. Even today, my Christian mom believes Satan is behind Trumpism and that's why there are so many ppl going away from the church, in the end times. She takes everything in the Bible literally. But, truly no one is supposed to question the validity of the fallen angels..like why an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving holy God would create an evil being 👿 in the first place 🤔 Remember Lucifer and the other demons were "fallen angels" who used to live in Heaven..a place where believers say it's perfect and without sin..I think for me it takes good mental gymnastics to try and figure it all out! And, boy, you are so right saying that after deconstructing from Evangelicalism the "salvation message" no longer sounds beautiful but really is "wackadoodle"
God sent himself to sacrifice to himself in order to please himself??🤯🤪
Thank you Kristen! 😊
Why would you be scared of the devil if you believe God is omnipotent and he's got your back? And why would you be scared of the devil if God is supposedly even worse?
The evangelical preacher impression makes me laugh every time. 😂
It makes me laugh too!
@@timmygibsonkc What's also funny is that you act more the way a Christian is supposed to act than 99% of Christians I've ever met or seen. They love telling non Christians how to behave while never following their own principles and judging non Christians even though their Bible tells them not to. Being a Christian for them is just belonging to a special club to feel superior to those that are not in it as well as a get out of jail free card to just act however they want and justify it because "they're saved". They love to preach, but they sure hate to practice.
If the "greatest trick of the devil is to get people to not believe in him," then what is the point of demonic possession? Doesn't that fly in the face of that goal?
So true! All the talk of Jesus Mighty Ruler of the Universe and all Powers being subjected to Him, was just us whistling past the graveyard. It was a scary world we lived in, demons around every corner and the ever looming fear that at the end, for all our praying we could still be told that "I never knew you".
This might sound a little strange, but it's true. I had my big "Aha!" moment by looking at a cat's mouth. I love cats and have had them all my life, and one day I decided that the absolute cutest thing in the entire world is that little upturned curve of a cat's mouth. I actually said out loud "God must have been in a really good mood when he created you guys." That is the realization that broke open the barriers I had to contemplating God. When I started to see that organization of any kind is conscious, it became apparent to me that a super consciousness is behind everything in creation. And it's always been ridiculously obvious that it's not the god of the Bible because that guy is a tyrant, completely devoid of compassion. Who's behind it and in all of it is the one that thought up cats, and everything else you have to have a sense of humor for. I still can't figure out why we were created to have to eat other living things in order to live, but I guess I'll just have to keep it on my list of questions for when the time is right.
It’s nutty!
Thank you for another great video
Thank you Michael!
Just found your channel and this video.. Gotta say I love it already. You're too funny. Great personality. And logic. I've recently started making vids on similar topics. Keep waking people up and keep up the good work 👍🏽
Thank you so much! I appreciate your kind words!
@@timmygibsonkc You're welcome. The Jesus impersonation and sandbar (walking on water) had me crying laughing!😢 😢 😭 . Thats so damn funny!
The Bible starts off as a fable with talking serpent and by definition it's fiction. So that means from the get-go the whole entire book is a fictional fable/ mythology.. All the violence in the Old Testament in dictatorship by "God" is Absolutely Ridiculous; and to flood the whole entire Earth with innocent animals and children is absolutely insane to believe. How do you flood a globe that's already 80% water as is?. Unless the Earth is not a globe to begin with🤔 LOL.
In any case. Great work!
@@timmygibsonkc Simply Put, the Bible starts off as a fable with the Garden of Eden story and talking serpent...So the rest is "fictional history" with certain good moral teachings on how to live life. Other than that, it should NOT be taken serious at all!
In my opinion,
Mixing up spontaneous remission with spontaneous combustion made me laugh 😂
I’m not a Christian but I believe when people says God healed me it’s not so much a miracle but God Allowed all the right processes to be available that it resulted in being cure as that same remedy not working on another person even though it’s the same cancer.Also For example the particular Doctor and him being born and going through everything in his life that lead to him being my doctor and allowing the cure to happen by his judgement. There’s no doubt that coincidences like this happen far more than we like to admit as that’s why it’s so easily acceptable religious or not to believe in destiny, in karma, luck.etc. Due to humans inferring from experience situations so perfectly orchestrated that it almost seems meant to be, a blessing, influenced by more than what we can explain.
I still am terrified to go to hell because we can’t say 100 what happens after death. Is there anyway to stop it? Real advice would be appreciated I have a lot of religious trauma
The question you should ask yourself is why are you afraid of the Christian hell but not the hell of other religions? If you embrace Christianity, you are a heretic according to Judaism and subject to the hell of orthodox Jews. You are also headed to the Muslim hell and the hell of countless other religions. There's no way to escape all the hells being preached about, other than to accept that there's no proof of any of them and no reason to believe any of them are anything more than fiction.
It can take many years to overcome such deeply embedded fears. I can't presume to know what'll work for you, but I found total relief after 60 years by:
1. Sharing with good friend(s) who've been thru the same.
2. Education about OBJECTIVE REALITY -- what we are and WHERE we are in the cosmos (there's NO WAY Earth could the center of godly attention).
3. Learning just how obviously religion is linked to our long struggle to survive in a harsh, brutal environment.
4. Unlearning that your "identity" must be based on gender, sexuality, ancestry, geography, religion, politics, possessions and level of hotness. Instead, identifying by your personality, talents and skills, creativity and imagination, originality, level of happiness, quality of relationships, helpfulness.... and a whole host of other, far more fulfilling things than anything religion has to offer, LOL.
Yes. If you only choose to follow something out of fear that isn't true belief. If there turns out to be a god you can stand and say you lived honestly rather than from fear. Wouldn't he have some respect for that?
An excellent place to start would be the book Proof of Heaven by Eben Alexander. It affected me profoundly. He is a neurosurgeon who almost died from an acute case of bacterial meningitis - his family was told he was brain dead and would never come out of his coma, and then he woke up. What he experienced while his brain was completely shut down points to the reality of consciousness being way beyond us and our thinking brain. I knew someone years ago who had a similar experience and it changed her forever, so I believe people who have had near death experiences. It is not the brain hallucinating, as some think. Consciousness is all connected, it is in all things, and it's way beyond the cruel, narrow dictates that fundamentalist religions have used to mentally and emotionally torture other human beings. Be kinder and more forgiving towards yourself, and please read the book.
It's fine to be spiritual without being super strict about the dogma. (It's bad to be strict about it.) I find it likely that your soul will end up exactly where you know it will deep down.
You are incredibly entertaining. I love how you change your accent as you go. Great content.
Thank you Shawn!
I always wondered when I was a Christian why Jesus didn't write the Bible.
Glad you finally saw the light. Ive been a athiest for 11 years now!
Yea even the so-called secular sources that we get the proclaim Jesus we find that they have all been tampered with like Josephus
Yep!
*Atheist Near Death'ers* declare that life continues! How can that _not_ give you pause? Judgement and condemnation are reported to be of our own making -- and apparently need not be "forever".
Yes many people with NDE's speak of their life review while they're over there, and it is they themselves that judge their actions, not God. They speak of a level of compassion that emanates from the super consciousness they find themselves with - that is beyond anything anyone can even imagine. I think it's so tragic that people the world over still get coerced into believing in a tyrannical god - it has caused so much damage to peoples' lives.
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Do you even tune guitars to 432?🤔
Thank you for this I enjoyed a good laugh with you.
Thank you Tan Man! Are you super tan or something, or just a fun name? 😊😂
@ lol my real name is Tanner so people have called me that
Having left the faith, I now see gods unwillingness to forgive former angels turned demons as just another sign of his falsehood. Yet another failure on his part.
Looking to the late Christopher Htchens is ridiculous for advice.
@@pierrelabounty9917 ? Not sure who Christopher Hitchens is.
The Lord God who is the Sun is male during the six nights/months (autumn equinox - spring equinox) and is female during the six days/months (spring equinox - autumn equinox.
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What?
It takes a wise person to admit they were wrong. If there is a god I cannot help but think that god would not be so petty in thinking humans would have the capacity to think on such a high level of intelligence
I honestly have never gotten the sense that humans were created for our intellect. Any race that annihilates itself with endless war and aggression is too irrational to be truly great thinkers, with maybe some exceptions.
@ that is true. When you think about all the people who have been killed in the name of religion
After divorce, deconstruction, etc. I think about your whole entire being / self has changed. And how most anyone in your old life must be appalled at the least
Thankfully those close to me for the most part completely understand! Those who only knew me from a distance you’re right!
I enjoy your talks Timmy, great energy! For many (most?) of your audience who used to GO to church, it's a step better to hear the scoop from someone who was actually a pastor. It's a bit like getting the answer key to a test from a teacher. But in this case the teacher gave the kids the answer key because he found out himself the subject matter, along with the test, were BS, and always had been.
Thank you John!
I just found your channel love it
Thank you Hannah!
Why would an all knowing being create something that it knows it will defy it and then punish his creation knowing they would defy it after being mislead by the thing it knew would misled its creation. The God of Abraham is the biggest jerk that never was.
The God of Moses (Greek Ganymede) was Zeus. Zeus fell in love with young Moses/Ganymede and carried him on eagle wings to Mt. Olympus. The writers changed Mt. Olympus to Mt. Sinai (Mt. of the Moon).
Total domestic abuser.
@ I doubt Moses existed let alone what God he was into. It’s all fiction with esoteric meaning written by the Adepts of occult society to pull the wool over the (profane)sheep’s eyes. Why Zionism is an abomination and biggest threat to a free humanity.
Yes! I remember while a believer, every time at Bible study meetings what we had to listen was: THIS THAT SATAN😅THIS THAT WORLDLY THINGS are SATANIC😅Then, after emphasizing SATAN so many times next was repetition of Jah Jah Jah like 100 times saying Our God will protect us from Satan😂What a spell we were in😅
I have been in a little bit different position since I stopped believing. I look too much in the past and I feel some regrets. I know moving forward is the right thing to do but I don’t know yet how. I wish it happened soon.
You’ll get there! I just don’t find value in living with a cloud of regret hanging over my head making me sad. Obviously it does sadden me sometimes at all the things I said that are false.
There have been studies done about the efficacy of prayer in the healthcare field and how it affects patient outcomes. Turns out that the cases where prayer was involved actually had more negative outcomes than cases where prayer was never used. Hmmmm.... And then in those situations where the outcome WAS positive, the number of people that will resort to the "See? God used the doctors to heal you." If prayer actually WORKED, the doctors shouldn't / wouldn't have been needed in the first place.
Great video! 👍
For Adam and Eve's sin to curse the ENTIRETY of creation proves the biblical god is neither loving nor just.
To doom particularly the animals with lives of fear and predation for something they had no control over cannot be considered just in ANY kind of context.
Neither is the generation punishment inflicted on humanity due to that first mistake that god knew would happen (if he is actually omniscient, which the bible itself shows NOT to be the case over and over) at a time when first Eve and then Adam didn't even know it was wrong (what fruit were they eating? Oh, yeah....the knowledge of good and evil. They wouldn't have even known it was wrong to disobey god at that point) is neither fair nor just.
If you can moralize that type of justice, then we should still be interning the Japanese because their ancestors had the gall to attack us at Pearl Harbor.
Yes, and to condemn all women to the pain of childbirth because of what Eve supposedly did, as if pushing a watermelon through a part of your body with a much smaller diameter was EVER going to be pleasurable.
Omg😂😂😂
Yes. The 'fallen world' story.. yep.
Timmy.. you are funny😅😅
ORIGINAL SIN: Being born.
The Bible has no profound secrets. It’s written in very ambiguous way hence there are so many interpretations of it and so many denominations exist.
I think it was hitchens who said this...
Youre choking. What do you want me to do? The hiemlich maneuver, or pray for you?
Anyone answering truthfully will say the h maneuver.
Anyone being honest with themselves should then ask, what happened to my faith in God? Why would i wish for a human to intervene rather than an all powerful god who hears and answers prayers?
Those are questions worth pondering.
Unfortunately, logic and critical thinking have never paired well with religious dogma. Except when it does and beautiful humans free themselves from the tyranny imposed on them when they were children.
So right on!
I would like to think when we die our soul or spirit can come back and visit family. But who knows. I believe that there isn’t a heaven or a hell, or a purgatory, as a Catholic we were taught. What I tend to believe is that once we die that’s it we are gone, it just like when we are put under anesthesia, nothing no consciousness not nothing, we are just buried or cremated and gone.
The meat suit does; not the soul.
Energy cannot and never die.
It can only transform. Peace, love and light, your way❤
Who knows what happens after death? No one, especially a book written 2,000 years ago!
@@timmygibsonkc Trusting any of these today, in-DEED🤔almost forces its reader to buy its bull; twice!
Hi Timmy, what do you think about NDEs?
From what i just read, not much🤔
I haven’t done them, but have done natural ways to get similar results like breath work! Pretty cool.
atheist here, i have my opinion about religion in general :p , but i will keep that for myself for now. hehe.
Anyway, i have seen this documentary about this local girl in my country and she lived in the bible belt and she was extremely fearful towards god. She only would wear skirts beyond the knee (no jeans) etc etc And she did that, because she was so afraid of making god angry and that she would be punished by him.
I remember many women feeling that way growing up!
The heavenly man a book by brother Yun from China .. this is a book of modern man walking on water.. its worth reading he tells about his life in China.
You were practicing cognitive dissonance, you weren't delusional. Thank you for being so honest though. I appreciate it.
He's still practicing it. Just in a different direction. Like you are.
Thank you Janine!
The plan of salvation: God decides that ANY KIND OF sin deserves death. A bit extreme. We flawed humans are far more enlightened than that. But I digress...And that for sin to be forgiven requires a blood sacrifice. Again, a bit extreme. So god sends himself as a sacrifice to himself to satisfy the rules he made himself and then raises himself to return to himself. Huh??? IF you think about this, there WAS no sacrifice. Why? Because god raised Jesus. Something must be lost to be a sacrifice. Jesus didn't lose anything. He had a bad weekend. If you immediately get back what you lost (3 days in the span of eternity is pretty immediate) then how can it be claimed that a sacrifice occurred? Now if Jesus had STAYED dead, then yes, THAT could be considered a sacrifice. But as the story is told, nope. Just convoluted nonsense to the max.
I LOVE this! 😄😄
And don't EVEN get me started on the story of Abraham and Isaac.
Yep!
Your Jesus voice sounds like Jesse Duplantis 😂
And that would be too bad.
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Prayer works when you do it detached from the outcome.
I was taught that prayer was talking with God, not asking for things. Not raised fundamentalist though.
Lucky you! Seriously! Something it’s the fundamentalism that poisoned me … and that’s fine, but i investigated all the more liberal perspectives and found them false too.
You still sound like an Evangelical pastor. You have the perfect whitened teeth of a television Evangelist.
He he he Susan!
I don't believe in heaven or hell.
Death kind of blows, but I'm not scared of what happens when it's time.
Heaven and Hell is the year divided into summer and winter.
Me too
You weren't delusional. Belief is very common. It is possibly the normal state of humankind.
What you were is constantly defending your position. If believers were more honest, they would admit the person they defend themselves against is most often themselves.
And yes in America why don't Christians have lower car insurance?
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Is this our new world every average Joe puts a camera in front of them and does internet things. Weird for sure.
I suppose so!
That’s right Poker Dealer 😂
What was your ah ha moment that made you a non believer? Was it slow in coming or out of the blue?
Lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz
Be-LIE-ving the lie so long, makes people forget even who they truly are, their soul contract, their destiny, or purpose for being born here at all.
For now.
Cause sooner or later, everyone accepts the truth for what it is. It is what it is. For now❤
There were several things, but I suppose it was when I considered my view of all other non-Christian beliefs systems (religions) were wrong, so it was possible my beliefs (religions) was wrong. Then the cards began to fall.
@@timmygibsonkc You got out of the world's empire of false religions!
Now, the best is yet to come.
Satan means adversary in Hebrew. He’s not that powerful in the Hebrew Bible.
Hi Timmy!! What’s for breakfast?
😅 I'm making potatoes and eggs on a nice crunchy roll! You're more than welcome!😊✌🏻
I had a bowl of porridge with raisins and prunes, with a glass of apple juice.
Followed by sardines in tomato sauce on whole wheat toast with a cup of black coffee.
Eggs, Bacon, avocado toast! 😂
@ perfect 😍
Hey Timmy, the historical Jesus is just a normal folk, an illiterate peasant. The mythical Jesus, the one from the Bible has never existed. Hugs from Brazil, from an ex-Evangelical Christian Atheist.
Hello Brazil! 😊
The Old Testament god "Yahweh" is not the "God the Father" spoken of by Jesus
He is Jupiter.
But evil does exist.
Did you watch the video?
It doesn't. A predator isn't evil because it looks mean and kills other living beings, he's just an aspect of how reality works.
Evil does not exist as an independent, tangible entity. Rather, 'evil' is a label we assign to actions, behaviors, or events that we perceive as morally wrong or harmful. It’s important to distinguish between the concept of evil as a moral judgment and the idea of evil as a concrete object or force.
To illustrate, consider the concept of football. Football is not a physical object, but an activity or system with rules and structures. It’s a social construct that exists because we agree upon it and participate in it. In a similar way, 'evil' exists not as a thing in itself but as a judgment we apply to actions that conflict with ethical principles or cause unnecessary harm.
So, while we can describe certain actions or behaviors as 'evil,' this does not imply that 'evil' is a physical entity, but rather a descriptor for human behavior or decisions that are seen as morally reprehensible. The idea of evil, much like football, only exists within the context of human thought, ethics, and social agreements.
@@johnburn8031 Thank you for this. The football analogy is a clearly presented example, and explanation, of what agnostics/atheists typically know but don't always articulate well.
@@OceanusHelios Yep. I posted before he mentioned it.
It all made "sense" to you when you had no sense.
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So now you evangelise unbelief and atheism?
Apparently
You look like Ted Neeley 😅
I looked him up, I hope I don’t look that old though 😂😂😂😂 but I see the resemblance 🤦🏼♂️
A very interesting video. I always wonder why every Christian fears the devil. You believe in God and his son. They are supposed to be stronger than the devil. But yet the devil is on par with God when the devil is supposed to be his servant. It's hilarious. About believing in spirits and life after death. I practice Shinto and Zen Buddhism as well as Wicca. I respect your beliefs but someday you might encounter something supernatural. It's something universal in every culture. Call it mythology if you like. A fantasy. But for some just as beings dwell in the physical world. There are things such as bacteria that exist but are not seen. So does the supernatural. Well that's my view. But yeah I don't believe those who are Christians shouldn't be afraid of the devil or put him or her in par or equal to their God. Otherwise by doing that, you are actually worshipping the devil. Otherwise Gnosticism is right there is an evil Deity which wants to enslave humanity.
I gotta believe that George Carlin was right: ua-cam.com/video/hcy40pvGIGQ/v-deo.html
Has god grown back one amputated limb ?
Nope! Never! Just healed a stubbed toe!
you spend more time talking about God then Christians do. maybe people will stop believing in God when you do. because people don't talk about what they don't believe in. 20:16
Ha ha … I don’t agree nor see the logic in your statement, but that’s for sharing that nugget. 😂
@timmygibsonkc there is only one word for you.... warped.
It seems to me that the christian god is not a very good project planner.
You should still be scared of the "crazy God who created the devil" because he still exists and you are still subject to his will no matter what you think or do. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
Ah, the language of love.
Nothing like hate showed through Christian love 🤪
@@timmygibsonkc What is hateful about stating the actual truth? Fear of the Lord is like fear of fire. Fire is a very useful tool, but it can also be deadly if you don't respect it.
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Especially if your house is built of sticks or straw.
@ We are all sticks and straw.
Psalm104:14
Du låter gräs skjuta upp för djuren och örter till människans tjänst. ... Swedish bible 1917 its in english about medicine that you get from " örter och växter "... in english it would be herbs but it could allso be all kinds of things that grows from the ground that can be used to heal people... So i guess medicine is ok to use allso not just pray a prayer like some people think should be the only way or ells its not God that did it.
Nice costume! Is that narcissist or.......?
Good morning Timmy. 🫶 I agree, the narrative is abusive af