The 45-90 went obsolete in 1930, but increased in popularity later in Black Powder Cartridge Matches.Lots of versatility with 45-90 Created with Movie Studio Platinum
I remember in the year 1991 at a flea market in Pennsylvania and for $35 I got an old Winchester chambered in 45-90 after having it inspected by a licensed gunsmith the problem was I only had very few rounds for it because they were not readily available. I remember having to use one to save my life against a brown bear that was on my property I couldn't believe how I was able to protect myself with two bears with this firearm it is a fine weapon. I still own the firearm and I couldn't believe how much it's worth I found out later on that the firearm was built in the latter part of the 1890s according to Winchester when I contacted them they told me that this particular serial number was made to use the modern smokeless powder because I was concerned about this damn thing blowing up in my face.
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Thank you for this, I wasn't aware of this calibre. There are new calibres coming out every year and none of them kill any better than the old tried and true ones. The men that made these cartidges are all pioneeers and their work deserves to be remembered.
Love the older black powder guns! Lol, brings back the saying once the smoke clears! Still top performers in big game. I found a little .444 marlin on a pawnshop self. Had been sitting there 15 years. Long story short, it really has performed well on hogs and mule deer!
I always get a good chuckle about the Mike Venturino books when he evinces curiosity and mystery in them about the 45-120 and the 50-130 / 50-140 calibers. Among others borrowed by American hunters in the 1870s, 1880s, these are British sporting calibers that predate the Sharps etc. The 45-120 is known as the 450 BPE. The 50-140 is the 500 BPE (Black Powder Express).
I was just beginning to get over letting a 45-90 go almost 20 years ago and you had to do this damn video and it's just like it happened yesterday. I just started sleeping again, now what? Guess I'll have to watch it again, maybe 3 more times. All the 45-70s on the wall are starting to get nervous. Thanks.
Love the classic black powder rounds and lever guns. I first learned of this round reading an old book on land cruising and prospecting when I was a teenager back in the 1980s.
Enjoyed that very much, my first 45/70 was a fox studios trapdoor the barrel was so oversized the bullet tumbled. Over the years have collected several trapdoor and assorted lever and single shot rifles. I load for them all . I even traded for a 577 Snyder, cost more to set up to reload than I had in the gun. Keep up the good work.
I have my great grandfather's Winchester 1886s in 45/90 and 50/110 and .405 as well as two Sharps in 45/120 and 50/140. I still shoot them all and regularly hunt with the 45/90.
Really enjoy that rolling block . I was watching a fella on youtube with a Winchester 1886 50-110 , then started to research other similar cartridges came across the 45-90 . Seeing how many modern 45-70 thought wouldn't be much to get a 45-90 . Like the 357 mag and 44mag you can fire specials. Looks like good Elk medicine. Great share and information. I also reload and casting bullets sounds interesting in modern smokeless and Bp Ill have to purchase that book. Have a good day .
Got my first big cat with a 45-90, Winchester 1886 original purchased in 1895 by my mentor. Sweet rifle, it disappeared when George passed away some 30 years ago.
That 520 grain bullet is great for hunting. As you said, you can eat right to the bullet hole, no jellified meat. Mine is only 45-70, but same bullet with soft lead. Several elk and bears along with other critters, and I have never recovered a bullet. They always pass clear through. That lighter bullet in the 1886, was considered an "express round". It isn't far off from some of the British dangerous game rounds used in Africa. You didn't tell me you had an '86. I've always wanted one!
When I was researching my Sharps carbine I found that the first ammunition was not called "45-70, 45-90, 45-120" it was refered to by the inch. The brass was 45-3 or 45-3.5 and so on. When they got brass it was long and they had to cut it to the correct length for their rifle. I found my Sharps is a 50-70.
Love the 1886!! Was my dream to own one, and now I own three. 😁 You have switched your target locations since I shot with you last. I also see you are working on your editing skills and using some crossfade.:-)
I like the one I have, with 9 pounds it is a bit heavy to pack around but with open sights it's as accurate as far as I can see. Still have some long targets out but brought some in for open sights, 150 is furthest.
I Love the videos on the forgotten calibers. Can we get a video on the 50-95 or something like that? I want to own one for absolutely no reason. have a great day sir and thank you again
Enjoyed the video very much. I have a Miroku 1885 in 45-90 waiting for spring to shoot it. Like to know why you choose 3f powder over 2f or even 1fan. I'd like to rebarrel my 43 Spanish roller to 45-90. Getting a barrel into Canada is a pain though. Cheers
I use 3f because I shoot flinter and I can charge the pan with same powder. That's why I started, but 3 f gives me good performance also. That Spanish wud make a great buffer gun. Thanks for dropping in
@@BuckskinDave Yes I agree. I decided to have Turnbull give mine a new look. Just waiting to get it back, been with them 8 months now. So in a few months will get to shoot it again.
Awesome video Dave and some great shooting.Stumbled across this channel watching you and Ken shooting the new Colt 70s 1911.I'm not sure what state your in but its beautiful there.You have a nice place to shoot to.Thanks for the video.
I like to shoot in comfortable positions because I already shoot in too many uncomfortable positions, so why would I torture myself any more than I already get tortured? I wanted to ask you if you ever thought about making a 45/120?
The first buffalo rifle I bought 20 years ago was a 45-120 and I liked it fine but a friend of mine traded me out of it a long time ago. I know he shot it a bunch before he went under and I still have the trade gun he built that he traded me for it. Thanks for checking in
When you say 20 to 1 cast bullet what does that mean? I was wondering about leading in the barrel and when you mentioned that I was wondering if that is the alloy.
Hi, sorry to be a party-pooper but this should be called forgotten cartridges or chamberings, not forgotten calibres? The .45 is hardly a forgotten calibre, whereas the .45-90 might be a mildly ignored cartridge/chambering.
I have a Siamese Mauser that I've been wanting to get converted to a 45-70. Since watching a few videos from the tube, would it be a good choice since it could shoot both rounds 45-70 & 45-90?
45-90 case is a bit longer than the 70, so you would have to chamber it for the 90. Although it is said that you can shoot the 70 in the 90 chamber I think if you are gonna load smokeless just chamber it for the 45-70, you won't get enough out of the 90 that the 70 will get you anyway. Thanks for dropping by
have a 4570 siamese mauser that shoots very tight groups with 300 grain hollow points in it...reload my own..have even taken the 500 grain 458 mag bullets up to 2150fps.. with no damage...if could gave only one big rifle I would choose my siamese mauser...had the bolt bent to make shooting easier too
The 45-90 is longer than the 45-70 so the shorter will go in the longer chamber but not the other way around. With smokeless powder there is no advantage with the 90 over the 70 so I would just go with the 45-70 components are easier to find
Interesting you use 3031 in your 45/90 cases, I have an 1886 in 50/110 and with modern solid head cases I cannot get anywhere near 110 grn in there, and with the ridiculous 350 grn bullet, which is as long as it is round, and the slow twist rifling, it makes a difficult cartridge to load, I can see why they went for the heavier bullet, but then that reduced the powder still further, using 3031 would redress the balance I think, stay safe! Chris B.
If u already have reloading stuff, just dies and shell holders maybe 50 buck's. If not hand held presses are not too much. U can buy bullets but if u want to mold them there is the mold and some sort of melting pot. Start slow and get more as u need it. Church buffalo arms website. Thanks for dropping in
I agree with big bullets moseying along for hunting and relatively undamaged carcasses. When it's time to cut meat I really appreciate stuff that was way under 2000 FPS.
In my 95 Marlin i use the Lee 500 grain flat point seated to 2.567 over 26 grains of 2400 .Goes through the action with no hang ups.1320 at the muzzle good moose load within 100 yards.
I'm putting the money down on a 45-90 Lee Enfield. I have a donor action, and a smith who is willing to do the work. I know I can't go as heavy as some loads, but I can pretty healthy. Thinking going blackpowder.
Morelli's Tactical Advantage Thank you for your reply, I was asking because I bought one myself 45-90 about 15 years ago a limited series and have not shot it not knowing exactly if it would stabilize 400 grain bullets , your video has now helped me , thanks 👍
Flattened the biggest buck of my life with an 1886 Winchester in 45-90. Excellent cartridge.
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I remember in the year 1991 at a flea market in Pennsylvania and for $35 I got an old Winchester chambered in 45-90
after having it inspected by a licensed gunsmith the problem was I only had very few rounds for it because they were not readily available. I remember having to use one to save my life against a brown bear that was on my property I couldn't believe how I was able to protect myself with two bears with this firearm it is a fine weapon. I still own the firearm and I couldn't believe how much it's worth I found out later on that the firearm was built in the latter part of the 1890s according to Winchester when I contacted them they told me that this particular serial number was made to use the modern smokeless powder because I was concerned about this damn thing blowing up in my face.
It is a very strong action. Thanks for stopping by
That 45-90 is one of my favorite calibers next to the 50-110, I really am glad you come out with this video thank you
Leverguns 50 your videos are top notch as well 👍
Hell Leverguns 50....I JUST discovered his channel today....And you know how I feel about big bores!
I have always liked the 50-110 too
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Thank you for this, I wasn't aware of this calibre. There are new calibres coming out every year and none of them kill any better than the old tried and true ones. The men that made these cartidges are all pioneeers and their work deserves to be remembered.
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Love the older black powder guns! Lol, brings back the saying once the smoke clears! Still top performers in big game. I found a little .444 marlin on a pawnshop self. Had been sitting there 15 years. Long story short, it really has performed well on hogs and mule deer!
444 great caliber. Thanks for checking in
I always get a good chuckle about the Mike Venturino books when he evinces curiosity and mystery in them about the 45-120 and the 50-130 / 50-140 calibers. Among others borrowed by American hunters in the 1870s, 1880s, these are British sporting calibers that predate the Sharps etc. The 45-120 is known as the 450 BPE. The 50-140 is the 500 BPE (Black Powder Express).
Thanks for stopping by
I was just beginning to get over letting a 45-90 go almost 20 years ago and you had to do this damn video and it's just like it happened yesterday. I just started sleeping again, now what?
Guess I'll have to watch it again, maybe 3 more times. All the 45-70s on the wall are starting to get nervous. Thanks.
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Love the classic black powder rounds and lever guns. I first learned of this round reading an old book on land cruising and prospecting when I was a teenager back in the 1980s.
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Enjoyed that very much, my first 45/70 was a fox studios trapdoor the barrel was so oversized the bullet tumbled. Over the years have collected several trapdoor and assorted lever and single shot rifles. I load for them all . I even traded for a 577 Snyder, cost more to set up to reload than I had in the gun. Keep up the good work.
This sport can chew up some bread ehh? Thanks for checking in
Bore isn't over sized, bullet is undersized
I have my great grandfather's Winchester 1886s in 45/90 and 50/110 and .405 as well as two Sharps in 45/120 and 50/140. I still shoot them all and regularly hunt with the 45/90.
That's a great collection of BPCR. Thanks for stopping in
Good day to you Dave, thanks for sharing on a interesting caliber.
Really enjoy that rolling block . I was watching a fella on youtube with a Winchester 1886 50-110 , then started to research other similar cartridges came across the 45-90 . Seeing how many modern 45-70 thought wouldn't be much to get a 45-90 . Like the 357 mag and 44mag you can fire specials. Looks like good Elk medicine. Great share and information. I also reload and casting bullets sounds interesting in modern smokeless and Bp
Ill have to purchase that book. Have a good day .
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Got my first big cat with a 45-90, Winchester 1886 original purchased in 1895 by my mentor. Sweet rifle, it disappeared when George passed away some 30 years ago.
I hate when things like that disappear. Thanks for stopping in
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Great video and shooting.
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thanks for the coffee sir as always love those guns and enjoyed the time
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That 520 grain bullet is great for hunting. As you said, you can eat right to the bullet hole, no jellified meat. Mine is only 45-70, but same bullet with soft lead. Several elk and bears along with other critters, and I have never recovered a bullet. They always pass clear through. That lighter bullet in the 1886, was considered an "express round". It isn't far off from some of the British dangerous game rounds used in Africa. You didn't tell me you had an '86. I've always wanted one!
I really appreciate your videos, thanks, and Semper Fi!
Looks like you have a lot of fun 😀
I try to. Thanks for droppin by
The 45-90 is 3/10s of and Inch longer than the 45-70. Sorry, I live and breath this stuff.
Where in Idaho are you located
thank you!
"Should quit while I am ahead, but I want to shoot 1 more!" I ❤ that!
When I was researching my Sharps carbine I found that the first ammunition was not called "45-70, 45-90, 45-120" it was refered to by the inch. The brass was 45-3 or 45-3.5 and so on. When they got brass it was long and they had to cut it to the correct length for their rifle. I found my Sharps is a 50-70.
Love the 1886!! Was my dream to own one, and now I own three. 😁
You have switched your target locations since I shot with you last.
I also see you are working on your editing skills and using some crossfade.:-)
I like the one I have, with 9 pounds it is a bit heavy to pack around but with open sights it's as accurate as far as I can see. Still have some long targets out but brought some in for open sights, 150 is furthest.
Run a Williams peep sight or equivalent for more precise shots?
I Love the videos on the forgotten calibers. Can we get a video on the 50-95 or something like that? I want to own one for absolutely no reason. have a great day sir and thank you again
I have a few more to do, Leverguns 50-100 has some great vids on these calibers in the mean time. Thanks for dropping in
Man after my own hart . just got a 1876 Winchester in 45-60 and I shot bp . got too love the old b p cart. they still do the job and well .
Enjoyed the video very much. I have a Miroku 1885 in 45-90 waiting for spring to shoot it. Like to know why you choose 3f powder over 2f or even 1fan. I'd like to rebarrel my 43 Spanish roller to 45-90. Getting a barrel into Canada is a pain though. Cheers
I use 3f because I shoot flinter and I can charge the pan with same powder. That's why I started, but 3 f gives me good performance also. That Spanish wud make a great buffer gun. Thanks for dropping in
Good stuff and I love the look of your farm
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Nice video. I also shoot the 45-90, good info.
Gotta love the caliber. Thanks for stopping in
@@BuckskinDave Yes I agree. I decided to have Turnbull give mine a new look. Just waiting to get it back, been with them 8 months now. So in a few months will get to shoot it again.
Awesome video Dave and some great shooting.Stumbled across this channel watching you and Ken shooting the new Colt 70s 1911.I'm not sure what state your in but its beautiful there.You have a nice place to shoot to.Thanks for the video.
Glad u liked it. Thanks for stopping in
if i ever need to protect myself from t-rex i know what im getting
That was very interesting, thank you very much. I'm off to Leverguns as you suggested!!
You'll like his channel
@@BuckskinDave I do! I'm watching it now!!
the realization that his "light" bullet weighs an ounce lol If you hit it with that thing, and it doesn't kick it, it's obviously a dragon. lol
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What about pointed bullets for the 1885 falling block? Is there any available that you know of?
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I like to shoot in comfortable positions because I already shoot in too many uncomfortable positions, so why would I torture myself any more than I already get tortured? I wanted to ask you if you ever thought about making a 45/120?
The first buffalo rifle I bought 20 years ago was a 45-120 and I liked it fine but a friend of mine traded me out of it a long time ago. I know he shot it a bunch before he went under and I still have the trade gun he built that he traded me for it. Thanks for checking in
When you say 20 to 1 cast bullet what does that mean? I was wondering about leading in the barrel and when you mentioned that I was wondering if that is the alloy.
That is the alloy to lead mix. It is kinda soft butt a velocities under 1600 shouldn't be much leading
Hi, sorry to be a party-pooper but this should be called forgotten cartridges or chamberings, not forgotten calibres? The .45 is hardly a forgotten calibre, whereas the .45-90 might be a mildly ignored cartridge/chambering.
Not forgotten by me that's for sure. I like em. Thanks for stopping by
I have a Siamese Mauser that I've been wanting to get converted to a 45-70. Since watching a few videos from the tube, would it be a good choice since it could shoot both rounds 45-70 & 45-90?
45-90 case is a bit longer than the 70, so you would have to chamber it for the 90. Although it is said that you can shoot the 70 in the 90 chamber I think if you are gonna load smokeless just chamber it for the 45-70, you won't get enough out of the 90 that the 70 will get you anyway. Thanks for dropping by
have a 4570 siamese mauser that shoots very tight groups with 300 grain hollow points in it...reload my own..have even taken the 500 grain 458 mag bullets up to 2150fps.. with no damage...if could gave only one big rifle I would choose my siamese mauser...had the bolt bent to make shooting easier too
The 45-90 is longer than the 45-70 so the shorter will go in the longer chamber but not the other way around. With smokeless powder there is no advantage with the 90 over the 70 so I would just go with the 45-70 components are easier to find
Interesting you use 3031 in your 45/90 cases, I have an 1886 in 50/110 and with modern solid head cases I cannot get anywhere near 110 grn in there, and with the ridiculous 350 grn bullet, which is as long as it is round, and the slow twist rifling, it makes a difficult cartridge to load, I can see why they went for the heavier bullet, but then that reduced the powder still further, using 3031 would redress the balance I think, stay safe! Chris B.
I think a 45-90 would be the way to go...ESPECIALLY is you can shoot a 45-70 from it with NO PROBLEM! Thanks Buckskin! :)
I like the 90 also, thanks for stopping in
I inherited my Grandfather's 1886 45-90. How big of an investment is it to be able to reload my own rounds?
If u already have reloading stuff, just dies and shell holders maybe 50 buck's. If not hand held presses are not too much. U can buy bullets but if u want to mold them there is the mold and some sort of melting pot. Start slow and get more as u need it. Church buffalo arms website. Thanks for dropping in
@@BuckskinDave Thank you for the helpful info! I appreciate it.
I agree with big bullets moseying along for hunting and relatively undamaged carcasses. When it's time to cut meat I really appreciate stuff that was way under 2000 FPS.
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King of the forgotten caliber is 50-110
That's a good one. Thanks for dropping in
In my 95 Marlin i use the Lee 500 grain flat point seated to 2.567 over 26 grains of 2400 .Goes through the action with no hang ups.1320 at the muzzle good moose load within 100 yards.
I like those flat faces 500's for my 86. Thanks for dropping by
No expaded cases or extraction problems
With the big blackpowder cartridges why triple f and not double f? I have little BP experience myself but am curious about it.
I use 3f for everything, makes it simple, u can use what ever ur gun likes. Thanks for dropping in
3 tenths longer dave
I use a micrometer check my case head expansion
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I'm putting the money down on a 45-90 Lee Enfield.
I have a donor action, and a smith who is willing to do the work. I know I can't go as heavy as some loads, but I can pretty healthy. Thinking going blackpowder.
Sounds like a good project. Thanks for dropping by
Love the video 👍and the 45-90 , is the Winchester new reproduction gun ?
I bought it new 10 or so years ago, Japanese WIN. Thanks for dropping in
Morelli's Tactical Advantage Thank you for your reply, I was asking because I bought one myself 45-90 about 15 years ago a limited series and have not shot it not knowing exactly if it would stabilize 400 grain bullets , your video has now helped me , thanks 👍
Mines a limited series also
@@BuckskinDave about the same time frame I picked up an '86 takedown with 28" octagonal. Used it on a musk oxen out on nunivak island the next spring
Great video but the fact you trap animals is reprehensible.
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Is that your wife spotting for you?
yup, she's a good hand to have around.
Mmy japan winchester 4590 soots 390 grain gas checked at 2240 fps
Kool, gas checks make all the difference . Thanks for dropping in
@@BuckskinDave you like old west guns i have a few
@@wilmamcdermott3065 Me too, I like all guns, but really enjoy the western stuff
Tom horns cal
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