The resource discussion. I've only sunk 10 hours into the game but my experience with resources is the opposite to what is in the video. I'm not running out of healing resources or whatever, I'm overloaded with mushrooms, crabs, rat meat etc. The vendors sell food recipes and if you have multiple then you can craft 20 mushroom soups, 20 fish on a stick, 20 Currys etc and never run out of healing items but still have the ingredients to make these again at a fire. I used the Ichor from the first boss to increase my carry space for ingredients which helped immensley. It is also worth noting that stacks don't combine properly so you can have 12 mushroom soups in one stack and 7 in another but can't combine them together. Hopefully they'll fix that.
22 hours deep here and completed the main story and on to the early access end game. I agree with you, generally have tons of food and if I ever get close to running out while out exploring I can usually just craft more from all the resources I picked up at the next campfire. Fixing the stack combination thing along with making stacks larger would definitely also help. I do somewhat agree that managing limited inventory slots can get frustrating though, but increasing capacity with ichor and placing excess items into chests at home help once you're in the mid game. The game is definitely more Diablo-like FIRST, and a souls-like second.
Yep totally agree, healing items haven’t been an issue for me either. That being said I think they could add double inventory slots (start with double and ichor gives double is currently does) and it’d be in a good spot. The availability of resources is fine but inventory management can get annoying.
It purely alot of players rushing content. you cna see it in this video. going to zone higher level (and stayign until he can't repair, which was mentioned in this video) Not having heas for fights, not having proper affixs. all of these issues most player who are complaning about his is just them rushing content
@@FervorGaming a totally fair point - makes perfect sense. Maybe folks playing the game like they think it should be played because they play it like a pure souls-like but really it’s not.
Agreed, heals weren’t the problem. They did add to the problem however, because they took up inventory spots needed for base upgrades. They just increased the stack allowance in hotfix 3 which very much helped. I think allowing you to get 1 house with 3-ish chests inside earlier than finishing the sewer would also help further.
Theres so many ways to get the crafting stuff, also like all the chests respawn with decent consumables. My biggest complaint is lack of health restoring on resting
I don’t really understand this grind for meals complaint, the map is littered with mushrooms and plants and the starting meal is given to you in the prologue. I mean yes a flask system of some kind would have arguably been better but grinding for food just doesn’t seem like a real issue to me, grinding for clay on the other hand that is crazy. I had to make two other realms and after probably 50hrs I now have the town fully upgraded
im ngl i have to disagree, i really enjoy these survival mechanics. they feel very balanced since you get the recipe for a stew that heals you right at the start of the game, you can craft that with ingredients you find everywhere at the start of the game and as you progress, and you can just buy the ingredients/actual meal once money isn't an issue from a chef that you can find very early ononce money isn't an issue for you after 2 or 3 areas
As a Souls Vet, I love the game and agree with everything you say. My suggestion is that they allow an infinite inventory on the person, but allow stacks to only hit a certain number before you’d have to put them in a storage box. And then allow up to two main spots you’d like to fast travel between rather than just one.
As a fellow "Souls Vet", stop calling yourself a Souls Vet. It's cringe and validates the gaming community's complaints about Souls players being obnoxious and toxic. Just be a normal person and say "I enjoy Souls like games". 👌
OR they can make it so that the chests are "connected" with vendors and crafting. So I can put stuff in there, but do not have to take out specific items each time I want to craft/sell/build.
@@ketsi3079 but vendors do not "see" the content of your chests. That means that each time you need to craft, you must go through your chest, and pickup exact materials that you need. Bothersome, even more so than limited inventory space
@@krzysiekj2522 yes this is annoying, but pretty common in most games. Hopefully they fix this, along with fixing the chest system. I should be able to see everything by opening one chest vs trying to remember which chest they are in.
Set your weapon up to auto heal when striking enemies. You become a god until you get to the end where everything out levels you by a lot. This is an early access game with very little content compared to what it will be in the end. Hiw are you running out if redources? They are literarily everywhere and you get so much you run out of space until you get access to the stash chest. This game’s problems will be tweaked given most people have the same issues so itll turn out fine if they listen.
I like the survival mechanics, gathering, building the town and all of that. They just need to apply some QoL features to streamline that part, stuff like inventory space, the possibility of using your materials from your stash, larger stash space, etc. Stacks should also be larger. I feel this game can be a true standout, and I think going early access was a great decision by them. As for some of your complaints: - I've had virtually no issues with climbing ledges. I don't understand this one since I feel it's pretty clear which walls are climbable and which aren't and after a bit you get used to the height of objects your character can vault into. There's just one thing I think needs a fix, and that's the auto jumping from ledges while running. This happens because there isn't a dedicated jump button and instead your character jumps when running to a ledge, so that can cause some accidents, especially when you're trying to climb down a ledge. For now the solution is to approach walking instead of running, but that needs a change. - About resources: I think your problem is you're just not picking up enough stuff. I've had very little issue with this and basically the only thing I had to actually buy was a bunch of artemisia plants bc those aren't so common and they're required for all food, but shrooms, crabs, apples, meat, etc are quite common, and they respawn rather frequently. I've never had to grind for food materials. Not even once. The only thing I've had to "farm" is construction materials, but that's not really required, you don't HAVE to engage with that system, I just hope inventory management is improved bc that's an actual problem. I honestly believe 80% of the issues you described with the game would be solved if you just gathered stuff while advancing the story. I bet you don't pick up most stuff and instead go and buy stuff from town, which is indeed a waste of money that you need for other things.
FYI, if you come to a ledge that you want to climb down, just press “Y” or “triangle.” Your character will move down without you having to walk around the edge hoping that he/she grabs it eventually.
I hear you, though I've been gathering everything since the beginning of the game and still don't have enough to properly explore an area. Though I'm sure others' experiences may differ from mine just wanted to offer my perspective.
@@ZiostormAll of the people that I know who have been playing this game never had a problem with food, everyone rather has an overabundance of it. Looks like you got shit rng mate.
Great video, Zio. I agree with all points made . This is why FromSoftware usually keeps one basic healing item that replenishes upon rest/death. Something as simple as a healing flask with charges takes pressure off of the necessity of tedium that comes with item farming in these games. Since 2011 the one time they deviated from this was in Bloodborne, and the healing vial system was met with plenty of fair criticism. No matter the nuances of an ARPG, there is a very important distinction that can make or break a title. Players don't want to be forced to grind for items (healing, durability, required levels), they want to CHOOSE to grind for items (gear, abilities, power).
This isn't a FromSoft game. And the game doesn't need to be easier. Play a different game if you want an easy game. Please don't ruin a good game because you want more handholding
Totally agree. I love Ds2, Demon's Souls, and BB, all of which relied more heavily on farmable heals over estus, but I can't imagine having to farm for items to cook and craft in a limited inventory, being any fun.
@@Lord_Keyboard You seem to have me confused with someone else. I don't think anything I said had anything to do with what you said. I agree that the game is easy enough - perhaps too easy at times tbh. So what are you on about?
@frizzman1991 Ok I agree with that. You just said you agreed with everything dude said in the video. He spent half the video complaining about there not being enough food for healing, yet I have an abundance in my playthrough. I just don't want them to make the game easier. That's all
The thing about food is annoying but at the same time once you level up, there are many ways to heal, like you said we can use the heal spell on weapon but there is lifesteal and also lifesteal enchantments which helps a lot. The devs also revealed that they want the player to have FarmVille like land, which will give more access to food in the complete version of the game.
I went into this being a bit skeptical since I LOVE this game so far but honestly, super fair points. I agree with all of them. I’m glad it’s in early access right now because I’m sure they’ll fix these issues. Good video Zio :)
I like that they took a risk, its mostly a win. very challenging. I hope it gets polished further! but after a few hours into it already loving the core of it.
@@JerDog1984 I've got 2 stacks of mushroom soup and 2 of crab chowder and I'm build the next tier up as I go through those. I haven't done any farming I just pick up everything I can as I go.
well yeah that's basically what early access means, no? get the product out there for it to test the waters and get on fixing what ppl isn't liking, and you could say that the industry is falling for relying in early access shenaningans but I believe MoonStudio deserves a chance
The best experience in such games is when you play them completely blind and try things out for yourself to see how something works. People who look at guides or secret paths destroy the potential fun of the game. The problem is that many people think that the game is most fun if you play the meta route. That's why I always play all single player games completely blind and look for the best solution in the game. Only when I've finished playing the game do I watch videos about the game. love the sound in the game and I also enjoy it more than the Elden Ring DLC. I hope the content is expanded and the story is solid. I also like the intelligent map design with hidden places and paths. The fights feel good too, but I would recommend playing with the controller even if you're not a controller player. I think it's good that you can't just heal yourself everywhere. I can only recommend everyone to buy it, it's definitely worth the money. Different systems that you can combine are definitely something new.
You know, it just occurred to me, the way you described that Focus system would probably be the best way to address the spammable nature of weapon skills/AoWs in Elden Ring that trivialise pve and grossly unbalance pvp. You'd have another "skill bar" (like fp but separate) that replenishes on attack, encouraging more aggressive play, sure, but most importantly encouraging more balanced engagement. "Balanced" here referring to standard attack movesets (bleed will still have to be nerfed because you know that'll just move in to fill the power vacuum). This "skill bar" would also fill up when blocking attacks and when taking damage. The replenish hierarchy would look like this: attack > block > take damage. When you're health is at some floor (set with by absolute number so that HP difference doesn't matter) you'll replenish that bar faster than even attacking (last stand sort of mechanic). Some skills would be exempt, like parries, but parries with effects (i.e. golden parry) would still apply (functions like standard FP requirements in this case). Maybe you could still allow players to perform their weapon skills without the focus points required but at a far reduced efficacy. Caster builds replenish this bar in the same way but weaker spells/incants build it up significantly, powerful spells/incants negligibly or hardly at all (encouraging a more balanced spell/incant loadout). Now we just got find ways to incentivise caster builds to use these focus points, e.g. give their catalysts (staffs/seals) a skill that's actually useful. Scaling won't be an issue either because you could easily programmatically tune the focus points an attack replenishes your skill bar with by how powerful it is, so if it's too powerful, maybe due to excessive buff stacking or other broken/exploitative/gimmicky builds, the numbers (focus points) are passed through a calculation function that makes the necessary adjustments relative to the damage output. I.e. if you're already OP you're not going to get easy access to more OP weapon skills.
I’m having this issue as well. That being said…it plays surprisingly well on steam deck for long stretches which is a massive ‘pro’ for me this early on. Love this game warts and all. 😉
@@richlacerra6668 That’s really interesting. I’m playing on a 1 TB OLED model using the standard settings. I’m only having crashes (full lock up) when transitioning between areas and/or cut scenes. Actually, I’ve crashed on exit a few times as well. I really think moon will do right by us deckers if their previous entries are any indication. Hope this is useful. Deck on decker! 😉
Their worst decision in this was to implement twitch drops. The game just came to early access and there's already a second batch of those running, meaning basically that it has become worthless, unplayable trash to any completionist hearing about it beyond this point.
The thing a lot of souls-likes don't quite grasp are the nuances which makes SoulsBornes balanced, all the variables are interconnected. i find that when a variable is changed for the sake of making a souls-like distinctive (eg. no rest heals), this has a domino effect on every other variable/
It depends on how well interconnected the systems of a soulslike is. If a soulslike has (e.g.) a clear-cut expository story, but a hardcore soulslike gameplay, then they’re more at liberty to play with or change certain aspects of a game’s story/gameplay because those aspects wouldn’t be intruding on one another like they would in a Fromsoft souls game
It's balanced in wicked though. Though there is no estus there is an overabundance of food ingredients in the world, you can even buy multiple recipes and have multiple stacks of healing items. The fact that you have a cooldown on the food makes it so that you can't spam it. If you want an estus so badly you can put a heal rune on your weapon which is available after the first boss. Having so much food already makes the game easy, refilling health on checkpoints or estus flasks would only ruin the game balance.
I'm still excited for this one, but I'm definitely waiting on some updates, or the full release. It's interesting though, how so many companies have been inspired by FromSoftware to add extra punishment on top of death, but they seemingly don't always look at the why or the consequences. So while losing a pile of souls might inspire you to try again on the path you just traveled, here it seems like dying is encouraging you do head back and repair/restock. The repair thing is the complaint I've heard most often, and it does sound frustrating. The other big complaint I've heard is on the control end, where I guess multiple actions, such as dashing, dodging, and jumping are mapped to the same button? It's a bit sad to hear, since the Ori games have really smooth controls.
The game has already been updated with 6 hotfixes. The durability has been dialed down along with the fall damage. Performance is better now too. About the punishment on death I think it's great, most people's experience is that they've had an overabundance of food. The only people I've seen complaining are those who don't engage with the cooking mechanic and it's a central part of the game, those same people want an estus flask which you can get as an enchantment on your weapon.
@@preyaskhuntia2190 Cool. I definitely want to try it... if I ever get through the current pile of games I haven't finished. Unfortunately it may have to wait until after Shadow of the Erdtree, haha
As someone who likes both souls and survival games, I don’t mind the harvesting that much. Actually feel like it gives me something to do and get another reason to go into the world. I’m lvl 12 with at least 35 healing consumables , which seems like plenty for now. The inv management has been a bit tricky/annoying tho I will say. After going north east, I also went back to the west to explore, do quests, and farm.
I enjoy the game immensely, it’s quite a different experience at the start before the first town. But once you understand how the game wants you to play and start leaning into it I found I was enjoying it much more. About the lvl 11 mark where things really expand!
I was thrilled to see that the Ori devs were making a souls like, the Ori games are some of my favorites but I am not touching no rest for the wicked with all the survival and rpg mechanics.
My suggestion to make the game much more smoother: 1. Always foraging when process through the content. 2. Focus on reaching the hub town first. I make a mistake to go to a dungeon before unlock teleportation, and have a misery time with all equipment broken due to dying from platforming and no way to fight mob. 3. Focus upgrading the weapon and armor. It will help you kill faster and less damage received, resulting in less use of food. Might also try enchanting weapon if you feel lucky. 4. Do daily and weekly bounty to get money and also foraging for more ingredient. By the time I finish second main quest, I have so much food that I have to sell some for the inventory slots.
I haven't had an issue with being too under leveled. As soon as I got to the main hub I found myself backtracking because of some quest and redid everything up to that point but gathered a ton of resources to the point where I just never needed to go back again.
inventory limitation is the only major negative for me so far. Feels like a good blend of mechanics, just needs ironing out and updating. i don't mind the crafting aspects, but then again i spent hundreds of hours in games like valheim, enshrouded, pacific drive, etc.
Most of what you described was punishing for no reason were just normal systems that appeared in the top-down wRPGs like Diablo and Baldur's Gate. It was done for realism and immersion. I mean, can we souls enjoyers really have ground to complain about a game not communicating its systems and requiring players to learn systems by trial and punishment?
Yeah im with some others on this and dont agree. I feel like the survival mechanics and food gathering, recipes makes for quite the experience. Ive seen people complain about lack of checkpoint heals but you can sleep in a bed to restore hp in sacrament and warp back. Idk im a big fan of all systems
Something I haven't seen talked about is, to open up more inv slots, create a new realm and beat the first 3 bosses to get the ichor vials from each. Makes things easier and its also a good way to get to lvl 21-22 faster so you can use T3 gear. I just created 3 realms and unlocked all the slots, while not a ton it does help. Also, multi weapon combos are pretty fun.
It seems that some people also enjoyed the crafting aspects. But I'm with you in thinking it was a chore. I didn't expect half, I can do a fourth or a fifth, but not half of the gameplay being about crafting. I personally want explorations motivated by upgrades, (hidden) bosses, stories, discoveries, and definitely not food. I hope it's an early game situation, and I'll need healing enchantment or potion later after a certain, preferably earlier, point of the game.
100% agrees with that loop, eventually found that the chef allowed me to buy resources so I just traded all my waste gear for mushrooms, ended up with 60 mushroom soups and never returned lol
The fact that people are talking about it is a major plus in my view. Means that there's some crucial element to the formula that people want to experience and they dislike how the elements they don't like clash with those they do like. The devs are also partly aiming for eventual endgame loops and co-op/pvp, which is something we can't say for Souls in general. This can turn out pretty great.
Healing isn't a problem. I have 4 characters across over 100 hrs of play and scarcity of healing became a non-issue long ago. Early on it can be tense but after the starting area, you'll pick up so many recipes and ingredients that you'll always have some healing on hand. But you can heal through your gear as well. Healing on damage dealt is a common affix. There are entire builds based on that alone. But really, the idea behind not simply granting you free healing like an Estus Flask for example, is that it raises the stakes and encourages skilled play. To not get hit. Enemies also take forever to respawn, so there's plenty of time to gather supplies as you traverse the world. The game has crafting too, and you'll be hovering up crafting supplies along with healing ingredients. All these systems work together and have a reason for being. Remove one and it directly impacts another. I think as it is right now, the balance feels good. It feels like you're on an adventure and life and death hangs on your ability to come prepared and fight well.
I think it’s got great bones. Early access is going to do great things for this game. By the time they hit 1.0 I think it’ll look a lot different. They’ll get the mechanics to be more cohesive. Fix the economy and availability of things.
Thanks, man! I was going to buy the game, but I hate games where they force you to grind. Hopefully, they will make it less grindy in the future, or make something different with the crafting part of the game!
The never-ending loop of being out of food resources disappears entirely around level 15. Once you have a house to store stuff in and have got your favorite weapon to at least tier 2, you'll start to bypass herbs and ingredients because you don't need them anymore. Also be sure to give the cursed armor a try. Some of the cursed armor drops have a slow health regeneration on them (usually at the cost of max health), which drastically reduces your need to waste your food. I'm level 23 now and the only loop I find myself in is to get spruce wood and clay to max out all my vendors to tier 3. My favorite weapon is the still the Claymore despite a few compatible legendary drops. I've kept upgrading it (so far it has the best weapon art for my strength + intelligence build). I'm currently waiting on a second bear paw to bring the Claymore into tier 3.
Yeah, I went into The Black Trench without any heavy gear and little meals. Best thing to do is mid max in the Shallows and Mariners keep areas, find some heavy gear, upgrade gear and a good shield and put all your points in equip load so you can quick roll.
the game really is a weird fusion that can lead to questions. but really a few hours in, you will be flooded with resources. and i think the most fun part of this game is to grind items and create builds to cheese the game. like insane health regeneration f.e. it's an arpg after all. i definitely recommend it.
this is the fourth or fifth channel saying the same thing. Souls-like w/ too much farming for healing items. I'll likely sit this game out until these issues get hammered out.
As it stands, most people will not enjoy this game. They'll encounter a spot of difficulty, and that will vary by person, where they will use up all of their durability and all of their healing items making attempts and then they'll quit. Those that encounter it early will refund the game, and those who encounter it later will just leave negative reviews. Better itemization will alleviate the healing problems, as they could include more things like healing on hit, healing per second, and make checkpoints give healing. Food should also be an estus flask. The survival crafting should be to scour materials to make your estus heal for more. This would alleviate the problem of running out of food attempting challenging bosses. No one is going to go farm more materials between boss attempts, there are other games that we can play. As for durability, repair is fine but the problem is there will be some people who brick their equipment before reaching Sacra. Or they'll brick their character by running out of money to repair. Broken equipment should be usable, to allow us to farm the gold to repair it. Perhaps just disabling our runes, gems and magic properties until we do so would be better.
I shared the same concerns at the beginning but when I learned the game and spent a total 40 hours in it and finished what EA has to offer with 21lvl character I like everything about the game the way it is and wouldn't change anything. I feel that many videos and complains about the game show's up way too early. If something doesn't play the way it's instantly familiar from other games is considered to be flawed without proper investment into looking into it beyond personal bias based on familiarities.
I enjoy No rest for the wicked a lot and the only thing I would change is about the collecting and storage side of the game. Really looking forward to play this multiplayer and more futur updates
I didn't know there were souls likes that still took a page out of the worst healing items from the demon souls/bloodborne style of limited resource that you either have to grind a ton or you are swimming in a dozen different types and it gets really annoying by endgame.
it just feels like too many people want things easy and given to them, and they don’t want to work hard for it or have to spend time on something. While some of this that you talk about might feel un-fun, I think that’s a core piece of the game that my opinion makes it more fun
You're way overblowing the food thing. I've been playing for 20 hours and never ran out of food. I've got like 40 heals. There are ingredients EVERYWHERE! You're wrong about the second two areas being overleveled too. One is overleveled and one is not. The sewer is a felt hard but fair as a first dungeon. Also the durability is barely noticeable. I've never had my game play loop broken, so maybe your problem is trying to play it too quickly. Also this is early access, so they've already toned down durability. If you don't like any survival mechanics you might not like them, but they are very very soft in terms if how they affect game play. I've never died due to lack of heals and never had a weapon or tool break or ran out of money to repair them... so maybe people are playing it wrong.
OMG, people complaining about the most ridiculous things. There is health absolutely everywhere, heal on damage stats, health regeneration stats, health runes. I have too much food. It's rough for about the first 30 minutes. What level did you get too? Too many complainers need hand holding, man. I hope Moon does not listen to youtubers
I agree with all your complaints, especially in the early part of the game. But playing the end game, max lvl + 3x dungeon boss kill. I must say that the game grows on you, this is the type of game that you can get good by game knowledge alone without exerting too much skill. But the journey to that knowledge may seems unfair, like dying from endgame BS knights, fall damage, and getting stuck on an area, etc.
Personally I am concerned a lot of these problems are destined to be “fixed” with MTXs at launch. Buy more inventory space, ingredients, XP boosters, repair kits, etc.
The game looks amazing and has a lot of potential, the problem is that grind survival aspect of it, it doesn't work well with a Soulslike. I encounter myself with a wall when fighting the boos that you encounter 2 times, after a couple of tries I had no heals and all my equipment got broken I had 0 money so I had to equip some lower lvl stuff and go our to grind materials and gold so I could try the boss again, it just feels unnecessary difficulty
It’s a survival game. The purpose is essentially to make it feel like irl survival lol. Encumbrance in a core part of survival games Although, I do understand how survival mechanics collide with Souls mechanics leading to responses such as yours. The devs should’ve picked one genre, or atleast tied the two more seamlessly into one another
I haven’t purchased this game, but from what I hear with all the issues such as performance and durability issues with equipment, I think I’m going to pass on this game of now. But I will more than likely get it when it releases in full access.
The dev actually did a hotfix on performance and the durability issue. The balancing actually made the game easier, and it's a solid 20-25hr gameplay to the endgame dungeon + boss. I'd say it's worth it if you really want to try it out.
This game has been incredible so far. It’s not perfect by any means but it’s great in many aspects. The one the thing that needs work is the level requirements for certain weapons because they’re fucking outrageous.
@@JerDog1984 yeah man I’m probably gonna make a new character today lol I want to try and do like an elemental dex/int build like my Elden ring character
The game is pretty good…I’d say it hits maybe around 70-75% for me. What I take issue with issue with is what you brought up about yeeting your character off of ledges unintentionally, and then being forced to repair weapons for money (which in early levels I’d rather save/use for upgrades), and the interaction (Y on controller) isn’t available until you’re in this extremely precise position…or else you’ll miss interactions and move on. The unintentional deaths just due to exploring is painful though - to the point where I want to save the game for later. It’s beta though…and Moon is a great studio. I just hope they improve these small nits soon.
can't get past that art and character style. Why do the arms have to be that long? It's hideous to look at. Gameplay looks fine, but for me personally an open-ish world is essential in a souls like. This seems very linear.
Try too meet the game more on its terms. Of course you are souls channel, but when game tries to do something else/new, you should try to understand the vision of developers, not your vision for the game. It's like with the Lies of P review. In my opinion, it is on par, and better in many areas than many of From Soft games (not level desing of course), and these are my favourites all the way from dark souls, Bloodborne up to Sekiro and Elden Ring. Lies of P mechanics synergize so well, when you use them optimally. All the little mechanics, even the reparing of the weapon add something to the combat. The game is not tedious at all, you just need to take your time, and learn with it, like with Sekiro. I hesitated to Buy Lies of P after your review. If I didn't I would miss out on one of the best game I ever played, my 2nd or 3rd soulslike including Froms games. So I am a bit skeptical when you lean heavy into what the game should be in your opinion. I think the criticism can be valid, but I really do respect your opinion, and just recently realised, that our tastes may differ more, than I expected. In that sense, I would like you to state more, what is really your opinion, and where the game objectively is not up to the standards of the vision of the developers. I haven't played it, mind you, I just have this suspicion, that you are not meeting the game on its own terms because of the Lies of P, and Lords of the Fallen videos, and your assesment in this one. In any case, I love your videos, just please try to understand, where I am coming from. And I don't accept the „its all subjective“ opinion. Some things in art/gaming can be objectively assessed if you have mutually agreed upon standards. And these should stem from what I mentioned before, how the game whats you, the player to feel. Then some universal standards like variety in combat, level design is good ect.
Being able to roll an enchant that costs you gold or even experience on taking damage is horrendous. It feels like some survival-builder game designer came onboard when the game was almost done and added all this unnecessarily restrictive time sink trash design to an otherwise solid game.
As a massive souls fan, this game is awesome. I dint mind all the points of critisism to be honest, resource managament adds depth t the game and additional challenge and extra consequence to taking damage etc. After playing it like this if it were to be drastically lowered i think it would take some of the challenge/ fun out if the game
I think early it feels like a souls but later it more feels like diablo immortal. Everything looks like a free to play mobile game. Timers on crafting more and more weekly daily quests. And I just needed to spam attack and everything was dead. 99% of the time I died from fall dmg or swimming.
I disagree with most of your points except item durability being lost on death. -Ledges are pretty simple to tell if they can be climbed or not. This comes down to not paying attention to what you’ve climbed and what your tried to climb in the past but couldn’t. -you should have an abundance of resources to craft healing items. They are EVERYWHERE on the map. I do agree that that they need to expand the stash space. -the game isn’t only supposed to be a souls-like. I think you are looking at the game too narrowly and not the overall experience.
@@level9drow856 I think it’s fair. You have to think about which “checkpoint” to rest at last and strategize. Also, enemies don’t respawn until the day/night comes around so you don’t have to slog through everything you’ve already killed if you die.
I never played Souls game before. I'm actually kinda hesitant. I bought the game other day but haven't tried it yet because of no mouse and keyboard keybind rebinds. I don't want to use a controller so I'm screwed for now. Hope they release a update to rebind at least. I love the fact they have housing in this game and is one of the main selling points for me. Just hope that particular feature doesn't suck. I'm ok with it not being Enshrouded or anything though.
As a non souls player I like it so far. My issues is the bosses and stronger enemies don't SHUT UP. They just keep going. I figure if I'm the only being in the universe to have stamina why have it in the game at all? I could be constantly diving in and hitting these enemies with attacks while I dodge if I didn't have to worry about stamina, CLEARLY the enemies don't have to worry about it. I despise systems that say "there are rules for thee but not for me", it's really immersive breaking. Enemies should have to regain stamina as well. Endless attack loops are boring AF. No place in an ARPG.
They've already patched it to adjust condition loss and harvest speed. 2 big QoL improvements already means there is promise for the final version. I'm having a blast with it. Unlike proper souls games, which I'm not a massive fan of. When you die, you don't lose anything and enemies don't respawn. I've only have a few frustrating moments early on before I managed to upgrade gear. Inventory management is by far the worst thing but. Ow I have a house I can sort that out. For £23 it's honestly worth it.
I’m kinda opposite with some of your issues with game.. I love the fact that you have to survive while fighting.. crafting food and what not is half the game for me.. but I guess it’s personal preference
+ you have to run half the entire city to inventory manage, your storage is not connected to any of the crafting shops so good luck remembering what you need to upgrade, there are no descriptions of what gems or most items do at all, trial and error but good luck with that doing anything is this game is permanent and can't be undone. There is no way of telling what the attributes do at all, other than being able to use the weapon. the game lacks a lot of need to know stats. Combat is very unbalanced enemies get to insta recover block and stun you mid attack but good luck doing the same to them every action has a delay or micro lag. if enemies can do it it is only fair you can as well. parrying is totally RNG. enemies have one hit mechanics but you don't.
The only issue ive had with the game is just getting certain rare mats like clay to upgrade the town, and bear claws which i need to upgrade mt weapons. Theres barely any dig sites compared to other resource nodes, and you arent guaranteed to get clay from digging even when you find one. And i havent found a single bear in the game, which id assume a bear claw would drop from, but they can be found in chest rarely, but i havent experienced that myself. Rn im hard locked out of upgrading further, which kinda sucks, as the only path forward is aimless wandering hoping for rng from both not very abundant dig sites and even less like to be found bear claws from chest.
Your criticism of healing will disappear in following few hours. You'll have vampirism or passive regeneration or both at the same time. This game opens up a lot once enchanting is available.
Only played the game for like an hour and unfortunately, I'm terrible in souls games (despite loving their designs and visuals) so I get frustrated very easily. I'm like stuck in the early-early beginning, like just got my first 'bonfire', and I'm stuck in that spot due to getting brutally beaten up. Can handle one on one with the enemies but two enemies and suddenly I'm getting brutally murdered before I even know what's happening. I know people are gonna say 'Git Gurd!!" and all, but thing is, I'm trying! Love the designs of souls game but most of the gameplay itself, I'm sadly not used to. I'm more used to the gaming style of survival/crafting genre and again, been trying to get used to souls style of gameplay despite being so terrible to the point my BF had to take me away from the games because of my temper. I plan on giving this game another go since I am getting stocked up well with resources and all. Plus based on what I've done and what Zio here is saying, I could be stuck in an area that might be over leveled for me at the moment...if I'm actually on the right path to where I need to and I'm stuck because the enemies love to gang up on me...Frick this shit.
Yeah, it's a cool game, but this nailed the mechanics that don't make a whole lotta sense in this game. I applaud them for trying new things, but I hope it gets heavily restructured.
maybe seperating the 2 elements could work like surviving come in place when you are walking through the levels and boss fighting is it own thing. you need to manage your basic survival goals and fight like souls but now your goal in this section is to get through the levels and build a strong build by searching and facing strong optional mini or actual bosses and then come the boss fight part were your heals don't waste upon dieing or you can have an extra flask item that can be refilled near the boss like this 2 has a goal and it could be more enjoyable. baking the 2 together I think wont ever work because you are punished for trying over and over again to improve in a boss fight
4:40 Honestly I don't see that as a problem. A experienced Dark Souls player can glitch his way out to speedrun the game in 35 minutes. And you can level 1 the whole game. I see this as a skill check, just like in DS1.
That's why it's early access. You speak as if this is how the game will always be but the point of early access is to try share what you've got to see what needs work or rework, thanks to player feedback. In that sense, thanks for your feedback. Let's hope others give similar fb so systems can change for the better
I feel like it's a necessary perspective to treat this like a release cause people DID pay for it after all. We're already sinking time in the game equivalent to a full release and things that needs attention needs to be taken seriously imo. Otherwise it'll go nowhere like Wayfinder..
@@Oryyyt Of course feedback has to be given by players and taken seriously by devs. However nobody who purchased this product and has some common sense, should expect it to be without flaws/finished/complete/perfected as it is made very clear by its early access status to be still in dev. critique and constructive criticism - yes, please. thats the purpose of early access. but more serious complaints that devs have failed the customers or taken money through false advertisement without actually delivering a miracle game - less so. I'm sure there are people who go to such extremes of angry complaints, maybe even threats. there is always these guys...
@@TheScratcherStudios Ziostorm wasn’t insinuating any of that in his early access review. He simply stated the issues he had with the game, and hope that the devs iron them out by the time the full game comes out. He treated it as an early access review, as he should
@@TheScratcherStudios Yeahh I agree with you there. The toxicity, and entitlement can get pretty brutal out there. But I'm sure game devs expect that kind of thing at this point. Not losing heart over actual idiots and turning it around to end in praise and a solid player base would prolly make it more than worthwhile I believe.
@@HeevaEgo If one would listen to this video without knowing its an early access game, it sounds like a quite disappointed review of a "fully released" title. in order not to accidentally create a mob of angry teens who start spreading hate online, it might have been prudent to really strongly emphasize this having JUST released as an early access title in the very beginning. basically not even being an alpha build. just for those who blow easily. (have i been on the net for too long and became a cynical geezer without hope of humanity?...maybe...)
Yeah I can't relate. Not having any of these issues. In fact I have more food than I know what to do with. I also didn't try to brute force my way into the higher level areas right after getting into Sacrament, so that might be your issue. Only thing they may want to change is inventory space, but it really hasn't been that bad for me personally. I'm really enjoying the game, and I'd rather them not make it too easy. For being a fan of souls games, one would think you'd be down for a challenge. It's not unfair by any means, so this take is confusing to me. They are definitely onto something with this game, and it is brand new to early access. I don't understand why so many people are coming down so hard on it. Very weird.
The resource discussion. I've only sunk 10 hours into the game but my experience with resources is the opposite to what is in the video. I'm not running out of healing resources or whatever, I'm overloaded with mushrooms, crabs, rat meat etc.
The vendors sell food recipes and if you have multiple then you can craft 20 mushroom soups, 20 fish on a stick, 20 Currys etc and never run out of healing items but still have the ingredients to make these again at a fire.
I used the Ichor from the first boss to increase my carry space for ingredients which helped immensley.
It is also worth noting that stacks don't combine properly so you can have 12 mushroom soups in one stack and 7 in another but can't combine them together. Hopefully they'll fix that.
22 hours deep here and completed the main story and on to the early access end game.
I agree with you, generally have tons of food and if I ever get close to running out while out exploring I can usually just craft more from all the resources I picked up at the next campfire.
Fixing the stack combination thing along with making stacks larger would definitely also help. I do somewhat agree that managing limited inventory slots can get frustrating though, but increasing capacity with ichor and placing excess items into chests at home help once you're in the mid game.
The game is definitely more Diablo-like FIRST, and a souls-like second.
Yep totally agree, healing items haven’t been an issue for me either. That being said I think they could add double inventory slots (start with double and ichor gives double is currently does) and it’d be in a good spot. The availability of resources is fine but inventory management can get annoying.
It purely alot of players rushing content. you cna see it in this video. going to zone higher level (and stayign until he can't repair, which was mentioned in this video) Not having heas for fights, not having proper affixs. all of these issues most player who are complaning about his is just them rushing content
@@FervorGaming a totally fair point - makes perfect sense. Maybe folks playing the game like they think it should be played because they play it like a pure souls-like but really it’s not.
Agreed, heals weren’t the problem. They did add to the problem however, because they took up inventory spots needed for base upgrades. They just increased the stack allowance in hotfix 3 which very much helped. I think allowing you to get 1 house with 3-ish chests inside earlier than finishing the sewer would also help further.
Theres so many ways to get the crafting stuff, also like all the chests respawn with decent consumables. My biggest complaint is lack of health restoring on resting
I've found an item with HP regen and I never look back.
I don’t really understand this grind for meals complaint, the map is littered with mushrooms and plants and the starting meal is given to you in the prologue. I mean yes a flask system of some kind would have arguably been better but grinding for food just doesn’t seem like a real issue to me, grinding for clay on the other hand that is crazy. I had to make two other realms and after probably 50hrs I now have the town fully upgraded
im ngl i have to disagree, i really enjoy these survival mechanics. they feel very balanced since you get the recipe for a stew that heals you right at the start of the game, you can craft that with ingredients you find everywhere at the start of the game and as you progress, and you can just buy the ingredients/actual meal once money isn't an issue from a chef that you can find very early ononce money isn't an issue for you after 2 or 3 areas
As a Souls Vet, I love the game and agree with everything you say. My suggestion is that they allow an infinite inventory on the person, but allow stacks to only hit a certain number before you’d have to put them in a storage box. And then allow up to two main spots you’d like to fast travel between rather than just one.
As a fellow "Souls Vet", stop calling yourself a Souls Vet. It's cringe and validates the gaming community's complaints about Souls players being obnoxious and toxic.
Just be a normal person and say "I enjoy Souls like games".
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@@13mrservonokay bro, yikes lol.
It seems like a valid way to say you have experience in a game-style.
Are you doing okay?
@@13mrservonsounds like a you problem
I rest my case 😄
OR they can make it so that the chests are "connected" with vendors and crafting. So I can put stuff in there, but do not have to take out specific items each time I want to craft/sell/build.
They’ve got to fix stash space and the durability issues with the harvesting tools.
Buy the better harvesting tools, you are supposed to upgrade them with the better models
you get more stash space from the vendor if you buy more chests.
@@ketsi3079 but vendors do not "see" the content of your chests. That means that each time you need to craft, you must go through your chest, and pickup exact materials that you need. Bothersome, even more so than limited inventory space
@@krzysiekj2522 yes this is annoying, but pretty common in most games. Hopefully they fix this, along with fixing the chest system. I should be able to see everything by opening one chest vs trying to remember which chest they are in.
This game is what I wish Diablo had become since diablo 3.
If diablo 4 played like this, I definitely would've been spending more time playing it. Right now, i feel like i barely play it anymore.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Darksiders Genesis even feels better than Diablo 4.
The game art, designs, and animations look really charming.
I never ran out of food. There is so many ressources everywhere.
Set your weapon up to auto heal when striking enemies. You become a god until you get to the end where everything out levels you by a lot.
This is an early access game with very little content compared to what it will be in the end.
Hiw are you running out if redources? They are literarily everywhere and you get so much you run out of space until you get access to the stash chest.
This game’s problems will be tweaked given most people have the same issues so itll turn out fine if they listen.
I like the survival mechanics, gathering, building the town and all of that. They just need to apply some QoL features to streamline that part, stuff like inventory space, the possibility of using your materials from your stash, larger stash space, etc. Stacks should also be larger.
I feel this game can be a true standout, and I think going early access was a great decision by them.
As for some of your complaints:
- I've had virtually no issues with climbing ledges. I don't understand this one since I feel it's pretty clear which walls are climbable and which aren't and after a bit you get used to the height of objects your character can vault into. There's just one thing I think needs a fix, and that's the auto jumping from ledges while running. This happens because there isn't a dedicated jump button and instead your character jumps when running to a ledge, so that can cause some accidents, especially when you're trying to climb down a ledge. For now the solution is to approach walking instead of running, but that needs a change.
- About resources: I think your problem is you're just not picking up enough stuff. I've had very little issue with this and basically the only thing I had to actually buy was a bunch of artemisia plants bc those aren't so common and they're required for all food, but shrooms, crabs, apples, meat, etc are quite common, and they respawn rather frequently. I've never had to grind for food materials. Not even once. The only thing I've had to "farm" is construction materials, but that's not really required, you don't HAVE to engage with that system, I just hope inventory management is improved bc that's an actual problem.
I honestly believe 80% of the issues you described with the game would be solved if you just gathered stuff while advancing the story. I bet you don't pick up most stuff and instead go and buy stuff from town, which is indeed a waste of money that you need for other things.
FYI, if you come to a ledge that you want to climb down, just press “Y” or “triangle.” Your character will move down without you having to walk around the edge hoping that he/she grabs it eventually.
I hear you, though I've been gathering everything since the beginning of the game and still don't have enough to properly explore an area. Though I'm sure others' experiences may differ from mine just wanted to offer my perspective.
@@ZiostormAll of the people that I know who have been playing this game never had a problem with food, everyone rather has an overabundance of it. Looks like you got shit rng mate.
Great video, Zio. I agree with all points made .
This is why FromSoftware usually keeps one basic healing item that replenishes upon rest/death. Something as simple as a healing flask with charges takes pressure off of the necessity of tedium that comes with item farming in these games. Since 2011 the one time they deviated from this was in Bloodborne, and the healing vial system was met with plenty of fair criticism.
No matter the nuances of an ARPG, there is a very important distinction that can make or break a title. Players don't want to be forced to grind for items (healing, durability, required levels), they want to CHOOSE to grind for items (gear, abilities, power).
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This isn't a FromSoft game. And the game doesn't need to be easier. Play a different game if you want an easy game. Please don't ruin a good game because you want more handholding
Totally agree. I love Ds2, Demon's Souls, and BB, all of which relied more heavily on farmable heals over estus, but I can't imagine having to farm for items to cook and craft in a limited inventory, being any fun.
@@Lord_Keyboard You seem to have me confused with someone else. I don't think anything I said had anything to do with what you said.
I agree that the game is easy enough - perhaps too easy at times tbh.
So what are you on about?
@frizzman1991 Ok I agree with that. You just said you agreed with everything dude said in the video. He spent half the video complaining about there not being enough food for healing, yet I have an abundance in my playthrough. I just don't want them to make the game easier. That's all
The thing about food is annoying but at the same time once you level up, there are many ways to heal, like you said we can use the heal spell on weapon but there is lifesteal and also lifesteal enchantments which helps a lot. The devs also revealed that they want the player to have FarmVille like land, which will give more access to food in the complete version of the game.
Me seeing a new Ziostorm video on my feed: noiceeeeee
Then realizing it's not about Elden Ring: noooooooo..
I went into this being a bit skeptical since I LOVE this game so far but honestly, super fair points. I agree with all of them. I’m glad it’s in early access right now because I’m sure they’ll fix these issues. Good video Zio :)
I like that they took a risk, its mostly a win. very challenging. I hope it gets polished further! but after a few hours into it already loving the core of it.
Thanks for your thoughts and honest feedback. It does help with my decision to play.
Game is amazing so far btw
I've never been close to running out of heals
Same. These people are clueless. Just want to rush the game, be hand held the entire way. It's ridiculous
@@JerDog1984 I've got 2 stacks of mushroom soup and 2 of crab chowder and I'm build the next tier up as I go through those. I haven't done any farming I just pick up everything I can as I go.
Yea, not once have I had to stop to "farm". There are so many options for healing without using any food at all.@@heronwhisky
Souls players.
I've never played a Souls game in my life. I tried Elden Ring but couldn't get on with the 60fps@@level9drow856
well yeah that's basically what early access means, no? get the product out there for it to test the waters and get on fixing what ppl isn't liking, and you could say that the industry is falling for relying in early access shenaningans but I believe MoonStudio deserves a chance
The best experience in such games is when you play them completely blind and try things out for yourself to see how something works. People who look at guides or secret paths destroy the potential fun of the game. The problem is that many people think that the game is most fun if you play the meta route. That's why I always play all single player games completely blind and look for the best solution in the game. Only when I've finished playing the game do I watch videos about the game.
love the sound in the game and I also enjoy it more than the Elden Ring DLC. I hope the content is expanded and the story is solid. I also like the intelligent map design with hidden places and paths. The fights feel good too, but I would recommend playing with the controller even if you're not a controller player. I think it's good that you can't just heal yourself everywhere. I can only recommend everyone to buy it, it's definitely worth the money. Different systems that you can combine are definitely something new.
You know, it just occurred to me, the way you described that Focus system would probably be the best way to address the spammable nature of weapon skills/AoWs in Elden Ring that trivialise pve and grossly unbalance pvp.
You'd have another "skill bar" (like fp but separate) that replenishes on attack, encouraging more aggressive play, sure, but most importantly encouraging more balanced engagement. "Balanced" here referring to standard attack movesets (bleed will still have to be nerfed because you know that'll just move in to fill the power vacuum).
This "skill bar" would also fill up when blocking attacks and when taking damage. The replenish hierarchy would look like this: attack > block > take damage. When you're health is at some floor (set with by absolute number so that HP difference doesn't matter) you'll replenish that bar faster than even attacking (last stand sort of mechanic). Some skills would be exempt, like parries, but parries with effects (i.e. golden parry) would still apply (functions like standard FP requirements in this case). Maybe you could still allow players to perform their weapon skills without the focus points required but at a far reduced efficacy.
Caster builds replenish this bar in the same way but weaker spells/incants build it up significantly, powerful spells/incants negligibly or hardly at all (encouraging a more balanced spell/incant loadout). Now we just got find ways to incentivise caster builds to use these focus points, e.g. give their catalysts (staffs/seals) a skill that's actually useful.
Scaling won't be an issue either because you could easily programmatically tune the focus points an attack replenishes your skill bar with by how powerful it is, so if it's too powerful, maybe due to excessive buff stacking or other broken/exploitative/gimmicky builds, the numbers (focus points) are passed through a calculation function that makes the necessary adjustments relative to the damage output. I.e. if you're already OP you're not going to get easy access to more OP weapon skills.
The major issue is it keeps crashing my steam deck and I don’t have a gaming pc…..
I’m having this issue as well. That being said…it plays surprisingly well on steam deck for long stretches which is a massive ‘pro’ for me this early on. Love this game warts and all. 😉
@@chaotrope4608 i can’t play for longer than 15 mins a pop and I have it set to performance mode
@@richlacerra6668 That’s really interesting. I’m playing on a 1 TB OLED model using the standard settings. I’m only having crashes (full lock up) when transitioning between areas and/or cut scenes. Actually, I’ve crashed on exit a few times as well. I really think moon will do right by us deckers if their previous entries are any indication. Hope this is useful. Deck on decker! 😉
Their worst decision in this was to implement twitch drops. The game just came to early access and there's already a second batch of those running, meaning basically that it has become worthless, unplayable trash to any completionist hearing about it beyond this point.
The thing a lot of souls-likes don't quite grasp are the nuances which makes SoulsBornes balanced, all the variables are interconnected. i find that when a variable is changed for the sake of making a souls-like distinctive (eg. no rest heals), this has a domino effect on every other variable/
It depends on how well interconnected the systems of a soulslike is. If a soulslike has (e.g.) a clear-cut expository story, but a hardcore soulslike gameplay, then they’re more at liberty to play with or change certain aspects of a game’s story/gameplay because those aspects wouldn’t be intruding on one another like they would in a Fromsoft souls game
It's balanced in wicked though. Though there is no estus there is an overabundance of food ingredients in the world, you can even buy multiple recipes and have multiple stacks of healing items. The fact that you have a cooldown on the food makes it so that you can't spam it. If you want an estus so badly you can put a heal rune on your weapon which is available after the first boss. Having so much food already makes the game easy, refilling health on checkpoints or estus flasks would only ruin the game balance.
I'm still excited for this one, but I'm definitely waiting on some updates, or the full release.
It's interesting though, how so many companies have been inspired by FromSoftware to add extra punishment on top of death, but they seemingly don't always look at the why or the consequences. So while losing a pile of souls might inspire you to try again on the path you just traveled, here it seems like dying is encouraging you do head back and repair/restock.
The repair thing is the complaint I've heard most often, and it does sound frustrating. The other big complaint I've heard is on the control end, where I guess multiple actions, such as dashing, dodging, and jumping are mapped to the same button? It's a bit sad to hear, since the Ori games have really smooth controls.
The game has already been updated with 6 hotfixes. The durability has been dialed down along with the fall damage. Performance is better now too. About the punishment on death I think it's great, most people's experience is that they've had an overabundance of food. The only people I've seen complaining are those who don't engage with the cooking mechanic and it's a central part of the game, those same people want an estus flask which you can get as an enchantment on your weapon.
@@preyaskhuntia2190 Cool. I definitely want to try it... if I ever get through the current pile of games I haven't finished. Unfortunately it may have to wait until after Shadow of the Erdtree, haha
As someone who likes both souls and survival games, I don’t mind the harvesting that much. Actually feel like it gives me something to do and get another reason to go into the world. I’m lvl 12 with at least 35 healing consumables , which seems like plenty for now. The inv management has been a bit tricky/annoying tho I will say. After going north east, I also went back to the west to explore, do quests, and farm.
I enjoy the game immensely, it’s quite a different experience at the start before the first town. But once you understand how the game wants you to play and start leaning into it I found I was enjoying it much more. About the lvl 11 mark where things really expand!
I was thrilled to see that the Ori devs were making a souls like, the Ori games are some of my favorites but I am not touching no rest for the wicked with all the survival and rpg mechanics.
I never really had issues with healing, just geeting enough clay lol
My suggestion to make the game much more smoother:
1. Always foraging when process through the content.
2. Focus on reaching the hub town first. I make a mistake to go to a dungeon before unlock teleportation, and have a misery time with all equipment broken due to dying from platforming and no way to fight mob.
3. Focus upgrading the weapon and armor. It will help you kill faster and less damage received, resulting in less use of food. Might also try enchanting weapon if you feel lucky.
4. Do daily and weekly bounty to get money and also foraging for more ingredient.
By the time I finish second main quest, I have so much food that I have to sell some for the inventory slots.
I haven't had an issue with being too under leveled. As soon as I got to the main hub I found myself backtracking because of some quest and redid everything up to that point but gathered a ton of resources to the point where I just never needed to go back again.
yes the game should be like this that you explore and level in the lower level areas till you can get to the next
inventory limitation is the only major negative for me so far. Feels like a good blend of mechanics, just needs ironing out and updating. i don't mind the crafting aspects, but then again i spent hundreds of hours in games like valheim, enshrouded, pacific drive, etc.
Most of what you described was punishing for no reason were just normal systems that appeared in the top-down wRPGs like Diablo and Baldur's Gate. It was done for realism and immersion. I mean, can we souls enjoyers really have ground to complain about a game not communicating its systems and requiring players to learn systems by trial and punishment?
Yeah im with some others on this and dont agree. I feel like the survival mechanics and food gathering, recipes makes for quite the experience. Ive seen people complain about lack of checkpoint heals but you can sleep in a bed to restore hp in sacrament and warp back. Idk im a big fan of all systems
Something I haven't seen talked about is, to open up more inv slots, create a new realm and beat the first 3 bosses to get the ichor vials from each. Makes things easier and its also a good way to get to lvl 21-22 faster so you can use T3 gear. I just created 3 realms and unlocked all the slots, while not a ton it does help. Also, multi weapon combos are pretty fun.
It seems that some people also enjoyed the crafting aspects. But I'm with you in thinking it was a chore. I didn't expect half, I can do a fourth or a fifth, but not half of the gameplay being about crafting. I personally want explorations motivated by upgrades, (hidden) bosses, stories, discoveries, and definitely not food.
I hope it's an early game situation, and I'll need healing enchantment or potion later after a certain, preferably earlier, point of the game.
100% agrees with that loop, eventually found that the chef allowed me to buy resources so I just traded all my waste gear for mushrooms, ended up with 60 mushroom soups and never returned lol
The fact that people are talking about it is a major plus in my view. Means that there's some crucial element to the formula that people want to experience and they dislike how the elements they don't like clash with those they do like.
The devs are also partly aiming for eventual endgame loops and co-op/pvp, which is something we can't say for Souls in general. This can turn out pretty great.
Healing isn't a problem. I have 4 characters across over 100 hrs of play and scarcity of healing became a non-issue long ago. Early on it can be tense but after the starting area, you'll pick up so many recipes and ingredients that you'll always have some healing on hand. But you can heal through your gear as well. Healing on damage dealt is a common affix. There are entire builds based on that alone.
But really, the idea behind not simply granting you free healing like an Estus Flask for example, is that it raises the stakes and encourages skilled play. To not get hit. Enemies also take forever to respawn, so there's plenty of time to gather supplies as you traverse the world. The game has crafting too, and you'll be hovering up crafting supplies along with healing ingredients. All these systems work together and have a reason for being. Remove one and it directly impacts another.
I think as it is right now, the balance feels good. It feels like you're on an adventure and life and death hangs on your ability to come prepared and fight well.
As a Golden Sun veteran and avid lover of all things Samus, I just wanted to say I appreciate the background music in this video lol
Making souls-like where you don't heal at the bonfire is a WILD decision. Not even DS2 made this absurd choice.
* *Demon’s Souls and Bloodborne slowly backs into the bush* *
I think it’s got great bones. Early access is going to do great things for this game. By the time they hit 1.0 I think it’ll look a lot different. They’ll get the mechanics to be more cohesive. Fix the economy and availability of things.
Thanks, man! I was going to buy the game, but I hate games where they force you to grind. Hopefully, they will make it less grindy in the future, or make something different with the crafting part of the game!
The never-ending loop of being out of food resources disappears entirely around level 15. Once you have a house to store stuff in and have got your favorite weapon to at least tier 2, you'll start to bypass herbs and ingredients because you don't need them anymore. Also be sure to give the cursed armor a try. Some of the cursed armor drops have a slow health regeneration on them (usually at the cost of max health), which drastically reduces your need to waste your food. I'm level 23 now and the only loop I find myself in is to get spruce wood and clay to max out all my vendors to tier 3. My favorite weapon is the still the Claymore despite a few compatible legendary drops. I've kept upgrading it (so far it has the best weapon art for my strength + intelligence build). I'm currently waiting on a second bear paw to bring the Claymore into tier 3.
This all looks great to me! Really want to play this but I have a Mac. Can’t wait for the release
Yeah, I went into The Black Trench without any heavy gear and little meals. Best thing to do is mid max in the Shallows and Mariners keep areas, find some heavy gear, upgrade gear and a good shield and put all your points in equip load so you can quick roll.
the game really is a weird fusion that can lead to questions. but really a few hours in, you will be flooded with resources. and i think the most fun part of this game is to grind items and create builds to cheese the game. like insane health regeneration f.e. it's an arpg after all. i definitely recommend it.
this is the fourth or fifth channel saying the same thing. Souls-like w/ too much farming for healing items. I'll likely sit this game out until these issues get hammered out.
As it stands, most people will not enjoy this game. They'll encounter a spot of difficulty, and that will vary by person, where they will use up all of their durability and all of their healing items making attempts and then they'll quit. Those that encounter it early will refund the game, and those who encounter it later will just leave negative reviews.
Better itemization will alleviate the healing problems, as they could include more things like healing on hit, healing per second, and make checkpoints give healing.
Food should also be an estus flask. The survival crafting should be to scour materials to make your estus heal for more. This would alleviate the problem of running out of food attempting challenging bosses. No one is going to go farm more materials between boss attempts, there are other games that we can play.
As for durability, repair is fine but the problem is there will be some people who brick their equipment before reaching Sacra. Or they'll brick their character by running out of money to repair.
Broken equipment should be usable, to allow us to farm the gold to repair it. Perhaps just disabling our runes, gems and magic properties until we do so would be better.
Health regeneration, and health steal are included in the gear affixes but its only on cursed equipment much later in the game.
It sounds like it can be good, it just has some kinks or knicks that need some corrections or more attention to fix.
It’s super good right now honestly.
@@drjaggedsame, having such a good time, only thing is that im feeling so impatient for the coop and pvp lol
I shared the same concerns at the beginning but when I learned the game and spent a total 40 hours in it and finished what EA has to offer with 21lvl character I like everything about the game the way it is and wouldn't change anything.
I feel that many videos and complains about the game show's up way too early. If something doesn't play the way it's instantly familiar from other games is considered to be flawed without proper investment into looking into it beyond personal bias based on familiarities.
I enjoy No rest for the wicked a lot and the only thing I would change is about the collecting and storage side of the game. Really looking forward to play this multiplayer and more futur updates
my main issue is that the early access pricing is already more expensive then most other games (full release) i buy
I didn't know there were souls likes that still took a page out of the worst healing items from the demon souls/bloodborne style of limited resource that you either have to grind a ton or you are swimming in a dozen different types and it gets really annoying by endgame.
it just feels like too many people want things easy and given to them, and they don’t want to work hard for it or have to spend time on something. While some of this that you talk about might feel un-fun, I think that’s a core piece of the game that my opinion makes it more fun
You're way overblowing the food thing. I've been playing for 20 hours and never ran out of food. I've got like 40 heals. There are ingredients EVERYWHERE! You're wrong about the second two areas being overleveled too. One is overleveled and one is not. The sewer is a felt hard but fair as a first dungeon. Also the durability is barely noticeable. I've never had my game play loop broken, so maybe your problem is trying to play it too quickly. Also this is early access, so they've already toned down durability. If you don't like any survival mechanics you might not like them, but they are very very soft in terms if how they affect game play. I've never died due to lack of heals and never had a weapon or tool break or ran out of money to repair them... so maybe people are playing it wrong.
OMG, people complaining about the most ridiculous things. There is health absolutely everywhere, heal on damage stats, health regeneration stats, health runes. I have too much food. It's rough for about the first 30 minutes. What level did you get too? Too many complainers need hand holding, man. I hope Moon does not listen to youtubers
Sorry, out of context. Have you seen Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2? 🙄
The game is an actual masterpiece. It's so unique and most importantly, just fun
I agree with all your complaints, especially in the early part of the game. But playing the end game, max lvl + 3x dungeon boss kill. I must say that the game grows on you, this is the type of game that you can get good by game knowledge alone without exerting too much skill. But the journey to that knowledge may seems unfair, like dying from endgame BS knights, fall damage, and getting stuck on an area, etc.
Inventory management. That's the only major problem the game actually has.
Personally I am concerned a lot of these problems are destined to be “fixed” with MTXs at launch. Buy more inventory space, ingredients, XP boosters, repair kits, etc.
The game looks amazing and has a lot of potential, the problem is that grind survival aspect of it, it doesn't work well with a Soulslike. I encounter myself with a wall when fighting the boos that you encounter 2 times, after a couple of tries I had no heals and all my equipment got broken I had 0 money so I had to equip some lower lvl stuff and go our to grind materials and gold so I could try the boss again, it just feels unnecessary difficulty
What's up with all of these games and limited inventory,what the fuck they are thinking...
It’s a survival game. The purpose is essentially to make it feel like irl survival lol. Encumbrance in a core part of survival games
Although, I do understand how survival mechanics collide with Souls mechanics leading to responses such as yours. The devs should’ve picked one genre, or atleast tied the two more seamlessly into one another
I haven’t purchased this game, but from what I hear with all the issues such as performance and durability issues with equipment, I think I’m going to pass on this game of now. But I will more than likely get it when it releases in full access.
The dev actually did a hotfix on performance and the durability issue. The balancing actually made the game easier, and it's a solid 20-25hr gameplay to the endgame dungeon + boss. I'd say it's worth it if you really want to try it out.
@@laizerwoolf oh cool. I probably will after Stellar Blade, V Raising, Shadow of the Erdtree, etc, etc.
@@august3777I got it on release but by the time I played which was a week after there had been 6 hotfixes lol, do the devs not sleep
This game has been incredible so far. It’s not perfect by any means but it’s great in many aspects. The one the thing that needs work is the level requirements for certain weapons because they’re fucking outrageous.
I can't stop playing. I'm on my second character already
@@JerDog1984 yeah man I’m probably gonna make a new character today lol I want to try and do like an elemental dex/int build like my Elden ring character
@@mindofmatt_2240One thing I'd like if they showed us the dps rather than damage per hit.
I'm hoping they can fix this. I've had my eyes on this game since it was announced.
Quick easy fix til they rework everything. Make food/meals drop in the world or looted in chests.
The game is pretty good…I’d say it hits maybe around 70-75% for me. What I take issue with issue with is what you brought up about yeeting your character off of ledges unintentionally, and then being forced to repair weapons for money (which in early levels I’d rather save/use for upgrades), and the interaction (Y on controller) isn’t available until you’re in this extremely precise position…or else you’ll miss interactions and move on. The unintentional deaths just due to exploring is painful though - to the point where I want to save the game for later. It’s beta though…and Moon is a great studio. I just hope they improve these small nits soon.
I love this game, yes it can be better but its unique.
can't get past that art and character style. Why do the arms have to be that long? It's hideous to look at. Gameplay looks fine, but for me personally an open-ish world is essential in a souls like. This seems very linear.
Try too meet the game more on its terms. Of course you are souls channel, but when game tries to do something else/new, you should try to understand the vision of developers, not your vision for the game. It's like with the Lies of P review. In my opinion, it is on par, and better in many areas than many of From Soft games (not level desing of course), and these are my favourites all the way from dark souls, Bloodborne up to Sekiro and Elden Ring. Lies of P mechanics synergize so well, when you use them optimally. All the little mechanics, even the reparing of the weapon add something to the combat. The game is not tedious at all, you just need to take your time, and learn with it, like with Sekiro. I hesitated to Buy Lies of P after your review. If I didn't I would miss out on one of the best game I ever played, my 2nd or 3rd soulslike including Froms games. So I am a bit skeptical when you lean heavy into what the game should be in your opinion. I think the criticism can be valid, but I really do respect your opinion, and just recently realised, that our tastes may differ more, than I expected. In that sense, I would like you to state more, what is really your opinion, and where the game objectively is not up to the standards of the vision of the developers. I haven't played it, mind you, I just have this suspicion, that you are not meeting the game on its own terms because of the Lies of P, and Lords of the Fallen videos, and your assesment in this one. In any case, I love your videos, just please try to understand, where I am coming from. And I don't accept the „its all subjective“ opinion. Some things in art/gaming can be objectively assessed if you have mutually agreed upon standards. And these should stem from what I mentioned before, how the game whats you, the player to feel. Then some universal standards like variety in combat, level design is good ect.
Being able to roll an enchant that costs you gold or even experience on taking damage is horrendous. It feels like some survival-builder game designer came onboard when the game was almost done and added all this unnecessarily restrictive time sink trash design to an otherwise solid game.
As a massive souls fan, this game is awesome. I dint mind all the points of critisism to be honest, resource managament adds depth t the game and additional challenge and extra consequence to taking damage etc. After playing it like this if it were to be drastically lowered i think it would take some of the challenge/ fun out if the game
I think early it feels like a souls but later it more feels like diablo immortal. Everything looks like a free to play mobile game. Timers on crafting more and more weekly daily quests. And I just needed to spam attack and everything was dead. 99% of the time I died from fall dmg or swimming.
Oh no, this is a "I want yellow paint on ledges" guy
I have known Moon Studios since Ori came out, and it is my favourite metrodvania I played
I disagree with most of your points except item durability being lost on death.
-Ledges are pretty simple to tell if they can be climbed or not. This comes down to not paying attention to what you’ve climbed and what your tried to climb in the past but couldn’t.
-you should have an abundance of resources to craft healing items. They are EVERYWHERE on the map. I do agree that that they need to expand the stash space.
-the game isn’t only supposed to be a souls-like. I think you are looking at the game too narrowly and not the overall experience.
The inconvenience and time lost of having to start at the last check point is punishment enough.
@@level9drow856 I think it’s fair. You have to think about which “checkpoint” to rest at last and strategize. Also, enemies don’t respawn until the day/night comes around so you don’t have to slog through everything you’ve already killed if you die.
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It feels insulting but we use yellow paint for a reason
Thought about this exact issue tbh
I never played Souls game before. I'm actually kinda hesitant. I bought the game other day but haven't tried it yet because of no mouse and keyboard keybind rebinds. I don't want to use a controller so I'm screwed for now. Hope they release a update to rebind at least. I love the fact they have housing in this game and is one of the main selling points for me. Just hope that particular feature doesn't suck. I'm ok with it not being Enshrouded or anything though.
Clay, the main problem is clay.
As a non souls player I like it so far. My issues is the bosses and stronger enemies don't SHUT UP. They just keep going. I figure if I'm the only being in the universe to have stamina why have it in the game at all? I could be constantly diving in and hitting these enemies with attacks while I dodge if I didn't have to worry about stamina, CLEARLY the enemies don't have to worry about it. I despise systems that say "there are rules for thee but not for me", it's really immersive breaking. Enemies should have to regain stamina as well. Endless attack loops are boring AF. No place in an ARPG.
i finished the game at lvl 12. crafting is not an issue. the issue is it's too short
They've already patched it to adjust condition loss and harvest speed. 2 big QoL improvements already means there is promise for the final version. I'm having a blast with it. Unlike proper souls games, which I'm not a massive fan of. When you die, you don't lose anything and enemies don't respawn. I've only have a few frustrating moments early on before I managed to upgrade gear. Inventory management is by far the worst thing but. Ow I have a house I can sort that out. For £23 it's honestly worth it.
I’m kinda opposite with some of your issues with game.. I love the fact that you have to survive while fighting.. crafting food and what not is half the game for me.. but I guess it’s personal preference
+ you have to run half the entire city to inventory manage, your storage is not connected to any of the crafting shops so good luck remembering what you need to upgrade, there are no descriptions of what gems or most items do at all, trial and error but good luck with that doing anything is this game is permanent and can't be undone. There is no way of telling what the attributes do at all, other than being able to use the weapon. the game lacks a lot of need to know stats. Combat is very unbalanced enemies get to insta recover block and stun you mid attack but good luck doing the same to them every action has a delay or micro lag. if enemies can do it it is only fair you can as well. parrying is totally RNG. enemies have one hit mechanics but you don't.
I'm sure it's fun but I'm at the point in my gaming career that qol is really important. I hate having to micromanage.
Maybe not for this game, but there's no reason why games cannot deviate from the SoulsBorne "genre" if done well.
The only issue ive had with the game is just getting certain rare mats like clay to upgrade the town, and bear claws which i need to upgrade mt weapons. Theres barely any dig sites compared to other resource nodes, and you arent guaranteed to get clay from digging even when you find one. And i havent found a single bear in the game, which id assume a bear claw would drop from, but they can be found in chest rarely, but i havent experienced that myself. Rn im hard locked out of upgrading further, which kinda sucks, as the only path forward is aimless wandering hoping for rng from both not very abundant dig sites and even less like to be found bear claws from chest.
My issue is lack of *True* ranged builds. I would have rather they didn't include ranged weapons or magic at all than its current implementation.
Your criticism of healing will disappear in following few hours. You'll have vampirism or passive regeneration or both at the same time. This game opens up a lot once enchanting is available.
Only played the game for like an hour and unfortunately, I'm terrible in souls games (despite loving their designs and visuals) so I get frustrated very easily. I'm like stuck in the early-early beginning, like just got my first 'bonfire', and I'm stuck in that spot due to getting brutally beaten up. Can handle one on one with the enemies but two enemies and suddenly I'm getting brutally murdered before I even know what's happening.
I know people are gonna say 'Git Gurd!!" and all, but thing is, I'm trying! Love the designs of souls game but most of the gameplay itself, I'm sadly not used to. I'm more used to the gaming style of survival/crafting genre and again, been trying to get used to souls style of gameplay despite being so terrible to the point my BF had to take me away from the games because of my temper.
I plan on giving this game another go since I am getting stocked up well with resources and all. Plus based on what I've done and what Zio here is saying, I could be stuck in an area that might be over leveled for me at the moment...if I'm actually on the right path to where I need to and I'm stuck because the enemies love to gang up on me...Frick this shit.
Agree with all you said. Hooked to it despite the flaws
Nooo are you serious😭
I really dislike crafting and survival games...
Yeah, it's a cool game, but this nailed the mechanics that don't make a whole lotta sense in this game. I applaud them for trying new things, but I hope it gets heavily restructured.
The game looks smooth. i hope the game won't be too grindy, especially before endgame. smh i expected those 2h-charged atks to do more damage
maybe seperating the 2 elements could work like surviving come in place when you are walking through the levels and boss fighting is it own thing. you need to manage your basic survival goals and fight like souls but now your goal in this section is to get through the levels and build a strong build by searching and facing strong optional mini or actual bosses and then come the boss fight part were your heals don't waste upon dieing or you can have an extra flask item that can be refilled near the boss like this 2 has a goal and it could be more enjoyable. baking the 2 together I think wont ever work because you are punished for trying over and over again to improve in a boss fight
4:40 Honestly I don't see that as a problem. A experienced Dark Souls player can glitch his way out to speedrun the game in 35 minutes.
And you can level 1 the whole game.
I see this as a skill check, just like in DS1.
That's why it's early access. You speak as if this is how the game will always be but the point of early access is to try share what you've got to see what needs work or rework, thanks to player feedback. In that sense, thanks for your feedback. Let's hope others give similar fb so systems can change for the better
I feel like it's a necessary perspective to treat this like a release cause people DID pay for it after all. We're already sinking time in the game equivalent to a full release and things that needs attention needs to be taken seriously imo. Otherwise it'll go nowhere like Wayfinder..
@@Oryyyt Of course feedback has to be given by players and taken seriously by devs. However nobody who purchased this product and has some common sense, should expect it to be without flaws/finished/complete/perfected as it is made very clear by its early access status to be still in dev. critique and constructive criticism - yes, please. thats the purpose of early access. but more serious complaints that devs have failed the customers or taken money through false advertisement without actually delivering a miracle game - less so. I'm sure there are people who go to such extremes of angry complaints, maybe even threats. there is always these guys...
@@TheScratcherStudios Ziostorm wasn’t insinuating any of that in his early access review. He simply stated the issues he had with the game, and hope that the devs iron them out by the time the full game comes out.
He treated it as an early access review, as he should
@@TheScratcherStudios Yeahh I agree with you there. The toxicity, and entitlement can get pretty brutal out there. But I'm sure game devs expect that kind of thing at this point. Not losing heart over actual idiots and turning it around to end in praise and a solid player base would prolly make it more than worthwhile I believe.
@@HeevaEgo If one would listen to this video without knowing its an early access game, it sounds like a quite disappointed review of a "fully released" title. in order not to accidentally create a mob of angry teens who start spreading hate online, it might have been prudent to really strongly emphasize this having JUST released as an early access title in the very beginning. basically not even being an alpha build. just for those who blow easily. (have i been on the net for too long and became a cynical geezer without hope of humanity?...maybe...)
Yeah I can't relate. Not having any of these issues. In fact I have more food than I know what to do with. I also didn't try to brute force my way into the higher level areas right after getting into Sacrament, so that might be your issue. Only thing they may want to change is inventory space, but it really hasn't been that bad for me personally. I'm really enjoying the game, and I'd rather them not make it too easy. For being a fan of souls games, one would think you'd be down for a challenge. It's not unfair by any means, so this take is confusing to me. They are definitely onto something with this game, and it is brand new to early access. I don't understand why so many people are coming down so hard on it. Very weird.