Ryan, I respect you and your Channel...But, the right question/headline should be "Is Pete Alonso Making The Right Call With The METS?"...The METS offered Pete a deal which Pete, so far, categorically rejected...Pete underperformed his career stats in 2024 which gives credence to the "diminishing skills" concerns the METS legitimately have...Pete should come back for a decent AAV and shorter years/opt outs and prove that he is still a 40+ HR & 100+ RBI player...I think Pete will be in a METS uniform by Opening Day 2025 after he comes to his senses
You’re wrong. They offered him a measly 68M after giving Soto 800M. And he is supposed to take that and put his tail between his legs and go perform? They should’ve deferred some money if they didn’t want to go over the threshold. They should’ve done something to keep him in the lineup because this lineup is trash without a big bat behind Soto. They need another big bat, if not 2, to even have a chance against the Dodgers. But to cheap out now after signing the biggest contract in baseball and getting their fans’ hopes up is a f’n joke. All the Yankees fans were right. They needed a powerful lineup to make up for the trash pitching. I don’t understand how $280 million is spent on this team. Where is the money? All spent on Soto and Lindor? Because everybody else sucks. GTFOH. 🤡
I don't understand the 2024-2025 Mets off season; for a team that went down to the last day of the season to get a playoff spot. Had to have Lindor get as hot as any player and go on kind of a miracle run to make the playoffs. Than spending huge to sign Soto, the Mets haven't really added any pieces to their team that makes them night and day different than the 2024 team. When the rest of the league saw them sign Soto to a massive contract I think that everyone got afraid that they Mets were really going load up and be a major factor. Yet; to date the Mets haven't done that with pitching, offensive or anything. I think the Mets are a very different team with a 40 home run bat in the middle of the line up compared to not having Alonso. Knowing that Alonso has performed in a tough market of New York, I think he walks the Mets have made a huge mistake. What I see on paper so far the 2025 Mets aren't a team that many other teams are going be afraid of. I think without protection Soto is going be walked alot
Those who are bemoaning this turn of events haven’t watched every game this year, when he was terrible with RISP and constantly flailed at sliders low and two feet off the plate, while passing on hittable fastballs. Since turning down a very fair offer in 2023, he has declined significantly. It might have been pressure to perform in his walk year, or it could be the beginning of his slide. Giving him another walk year in the first year of a new contract, just gave him another opportunity to choke. My first negative about Pete was his insistence on doing Home Run Derby year after year. Want examples of what could go wrong? Look at how much better Ryan Howard was than Pete in his early seasons and look at how he fell like a rock after inking a big contract. I still haven’t seen any team offer more than the Mets did. In what world does Pete think he is worth what Freddy Freeman is making? It was obvious that Pete was only looking at the money when he turned town the seven year $158 million contract and fired his agent. Look at where Michael Conforto is after turning down a fair offer. I wanted Pete back, despite my predictions about his future, in part to compensate him for what he has done for our team. But I can’t close my eyes to just how bad he has been in his last two years compared to the rest of his career.
I think you hit it on his flaws and 2024 performance. I think $22.57 mil AAV was a bit light then...But now, $30 mil+ is obviously ridiculous...!! Pete needs to prove he ISN'T "diminishing"...He should take a shorter reduced AAV deal now and get more later - which he will if he consistently hits 40+ HRs and 100+ RBIs
1. NYM HR record is embarrassing can’t use that as leverage 2. All those players you mentioned received Market value, which Pete was offered 3. Pete could have worked with the NYM, can’t blame the team for not “working” with Pete 4. Pete signed with Boras, what was he expecting Can’t blame the NYM
I think the Mets are going end up being the long term losers if Alonso leaves. Alonso was a franchise icon; the Mets just spent crazy money on Juan Soto and suddenly they are pulling in the purse strings with Alonso. Alonso has huge power that changes the entire game. Your 2024 post season would have been over in Milwaukee without him. Your 2025 line up as it sits Soto doesn't have protection should get lots of walks and make the batters behind him have to prove they can drive runs in. It is going look really bad for the Mets, players and fans is Alonso doesn't get a massive contract by another team. Going look like they don't take care of their own.
@@benjaminwatlers1848Alonso will not get a massive contract from another team. He wants to play hard ball well then let’s play hard ball. His season last year was in the gutter. If not for the Mets playoffs he’d be nowhere. He can’t drive in anyone and strikeouts at will. What are we talking about here?
Pete Alonso still has made more than enough money to take care of his grandchildren. These guys’ egos are so stroked their entire lives to where they have an overinflated sense of their market worth. Why do the Mets now have to pay more than any other team is willing to pay him? He’s nowhere near the statosphere of a player like Freeman, let alone Soto. Scherzer or Lindor. If he wants to be a Met, then why not sign for maybe just a little more than what the rest of the market offered? 5 other teams were willing to pay Soto over 700M. No other team is willing to pay him 23M/year. Reality sucks. He needs to learn this lesson just like most of us have. Jealousy is an ugly thing.
I also am a Pete fan and a die hard Met fan since 1968, BUT you pay for what you believe a player can do for you going forward. It would be great to have him back, but 3yrs/75 is more than fair. In fact, one can see it as a bit of an overplay. How would us fans feel if Pete going forward is a 35 homer guy and a .225 - .235 hitter. Would you feel he was worth it for 25? Also, he would solidify his legacy as a all time great Met.
This is good business. Pete bet on himself, and his production has dropped. Players know that’s a big risk. Pete has received the same AAV offer as the offer he turned down last year. This offer remains the best offer at the moment, and Stearns isn’t letting this drag on so that he can make the correct lineup pivots before those guys are signed or traded. Players who receive a fair offer from the Mets are on notice that they better be sure they know their projected market because we will not bid against ourselves.
I am so glad that the Mets decided to keep Winker for another year. I like the energy that he brings to the team. He’s a jackass but he’s our jackass! I would have loved to see how Pete would respond to batting before or after Soto. Idk. Maybe they could still work something out but I highly doubt it at this point.
I think Winker could be a clubhouse cancer, he has a bad reputation. I think if he had been with the Mets all year he may have caused issues when they were losing. When a team is winning and he only came for the back end of the season usually no club house issues. Yet, when a team is losing when you find out about character, etc.
I think Sterns MO is gaining some clarity, which is to only pay for a players market value, but if there is a bidding war with other teams they will “overpay” if they truly want the player, Soto as an example. That means, Pete isn’t getting more than his market value from the Mets until they’ve heard another team has made an offer. Either you believe a player with no market should or should not get paid for their past. I lean towards not doing so, especially when the players future looks bleak, like Pete’s.
I think this is a bad look for the Mets, spending over 700 million for Soto than playing cheap with Alonso. Especially; because you know he can handle the New York market, he is a fan favorite. I think the Mets should have went out overpaid a little bit got the big bat back to protect Soto and worked on the next signings.
@@coryalaburda3668 Not really. When a player says they really want to stay with their team, other teams usually just make lowball bc they know offers are only going be used for home team to match. Now that Mets are out, real offers should be coming from other teams.
I think your wrong; you don't know what Pete ends up with. Yet, as it stands you have the Mets that spent big on Soto but haven't added a big bat to protect him. I usually blame Boras for things but I don't this time. Alonso is a franchise icon, the Mets should have overpaid a little bit for him. Especially if since they have the money.
I think your wrong; nobody knows what contract he will get. The Mets on the other hand just spent huge for Soto and haven't added a big bat to protect him. If the Mets don't ad a big bat I think Soto gets walked a lot. Than by the all star break people will be saying dam we should have gotten a big bat.
@@benjaminwatlers1848 What are you even talking about?!?! Soto IS the protection for guys in the lineup. Soto didn’t have protection in Washington and he raked. Good hitters don’t need protection. Your comment is a joke.
Great video Ryan! I think you did great on how you portrayed what both sides think. I am like you that I wish both sides would meet halfway and sign a contract. I do really worry about the Mets line up also. They have to make more moves on offense still
Stearns and cohen had a secret pact goin into this offseason. Stearns said “you can have Soto, but you’re leaving Pete in my hands.” I love Pete, I really do. But I never thought he was worth a giant contract, and I even told my friends/family last season that they should trade him at the deadline.
Without Alonso last year the Mets season would have ended in Milwaukee. He showed that game changing power. The Mets didn't have to re-sign him but they have a big hole in their line up without a proven veteran bat to protect Soto. I don't understand the Mets spending huge for Soto than not overpaying a little maybe for Alonso.
@@benjaminwatlers1848 Thank you. I keep telling ppl i don't trust Stearns in his money ball ways. The Mets had a good run in the playoffs off the players that was here already before Stearns got here. Stearns getting way to much credit on the Mets lucky run last year.
Ryan, stop bro. This is all falls on Pete. You and other fellow Met fans need to put the personal feeling aside. First Pete chose his path by passing on the initial contract. Then he chose to go with Boras. Then he choked, he didn’t pull what Judge did on his walk year. Any organization cannot pay a player that shows decline at 30, we not rewarding the pass but what you can do for us in the future (insert DeGrom) nuff said, everyone keep it moving. Pete go kick rocks.
You realize without Alonso your postseason would have ended in Milwakuee; that kind of power bat is hard to find. This is a team that spent over 700 million on Soto and you can't overpay a little bit to keep a franchise icon? Without Alonso behind Soto who routinely walks 130 times the guys behind him in the line up have more questions than proven run producing results. Having spent 700 million dollars on Soto the Mets should be in win now mood and Alonso even with a overpayment is worth more to this team than you realize
He speaks Spanish I believe...But his lineage is from Spain which can be an issue with Latin Americans and the history of the Conquistadors and all that...Spaniards seen as arrogant by a lot of Latinos
With Pete in the lineup we were always lacking that 2nd big bat. So now if we do not resign him we are fielding a lineup missing a true secondary “big bat” once again. Man, I sure hope they can work this thing out.
About had enough of Stearns. Pete is the heart and soul of this team. If we're left with just Soto hip-grinding and crotch-grabbing his way to 3rd place in the NL East, I suppose there are some fans that will bite on that but I'm out. I'll use the MLB subscription money for shots every time a throw in the dirt from Baty or Lindor or the mound ends up at the backstop behind Vientos.
Ryan love your show. This is business. Alonso take the deal, crush it now he knows his market, and comeback to the table. The Mets are doing the proper business.
PETE ALONSO COULD KICK OFF THE DIRT THROWN AT HIS BASEBALL ABILITIES BY FOCUSING ON HIS HEALTH AND BETTER APPROACH AT THE PLATE. FIELDING AS LONG AS HE COULD DO THE AVERAGE FIELDING. FROM HERE TO THE AGE OF 35 A GUY LIKE PETE HOMERUN SLUGGER HAS HIS " BEST " YEARS. SLUGGERS ARE BUILT DIFFERENT. DON'T REMOVE THE TREE BEFORE THE ACTUAL STRENGTH BLOOMS.
Absolutely a great decision! Stearns knows what he's doing, for those of you that think this is a bad move, you obviously didn't watch the bulk of the games last year!
Pete's run production isn’t just weighed by this last year, but his entire career. With virtually no protection, since he entered the league; Pete has led the league with home runs & RBIs until last year when judge just passed him with an MVP season. He had a bad year with RISP especially, but Pete’s bad year is better than 90% of most players good years. He’s not turning 37 years old. In 2023 he hit 46 home runs & 116 RBIs. Pete will easily have multiple seasons with 40+ HRs, 100+ RBIs and the Mets have looked at the market for 1st base & not run production. On the defensive side, you want to move a guy who struggled defensively with tough grounders & his best weapon is his arm & take away that weapon, but have him at 1st where Pete was better than most at scooping bad throws which are the vast majority of 1st base defensive plays occur. This is a poor decision by the front office, imho.
@@MitchropolitanWhy does Alonso need protection?!?!?! If he’s so valuable and so good HE should be the protection for guys around him!!! These pathetic, dumbass claims he didn’t have protection. He’s the mighty power hitter, he should be the one protecting guys around him. And quit with the bull$hit HR and RBI nonsense. Are you really one of the remaining clueless people that still doesn’t comprehend that Alonso’s HR and RBI for 90% of his career have come in garbage time? Other channels and UA-camrs and podcasters have done deep dives into Alonso’s CAREER stats already and his entire career he’s been bad with RISP and in clutch spots. His HR and RBI come in times when it’s not really important and then people like YOU talk about all his HR and RBI. The fools are so easily played by Alonso’s BS stats. Over the last 3-4 seasons Alonso has declined EVERY SEASON in OPS, slugging, total bases and RBI while increasing in strikeouts every single season I. The same timeframe. You’re an absolute clown for wanting to overpay for someone who has been declining for 3-4 years straight. And Judge has more HR than Alonso in like 100 less games!!! Not to mention the rest of the top five all average around the same at bats per HR as Alonso does. And they are all better hitters than Alonso.
If the Mets let Alonso walk they have to find a big bat to protect Soto. Nimmo doesn't have the power; Vientos doesn't have a proven multiple season track record. As is stands the Mets signed Soto for a record amount, than he has no protection in the line up. If Soto walks around a 130 times with protection batters behind him imagine how many times he could walk with no big bat behind him.
Bottom line is, Pete mess up, did I miss all the offers he got from other teams? Refresh my memory please, so it's on him, we saw the year you had, and you're trying to get bookoo money after turning down deals, blame yourself Pete. LGM ⚾
Did Alonso make the Mets better last season? Forget the couple of games in the playoffs. We all know the answer is no. He was never clutch, and struck out, popped up, or hit into double plays. What if this year is the same? Why should the team take the chance? Pete should have to take the chance, prove he can still play at the level we expected. The proof is, no other teams are lining up to sign him.
Why should we "forget" the couple of games in the playoffs? The Mets made it to the NLCS. It was an accomplishment all us fans cheered. And the Mets made the playoffs to begin with by the skin of their teeth. One less win, the Mets would have been out. Do you really think the Mets make the playoffs if you take Pete out of the equation last year? I sure don't. I also note that Pete's career playoff OPS is over 1.000. People acting like he wasn't and isn't a good player and a prodigious power bat just baffles me. How quickly fans can turn.
@dashx1103 "the Mets made it to the playoffs to begin with by the skin of their teeth" in large part due to Alonso's inability to drive in key runs during the regular season
Pete alonso in 5 full years (not counting c vid 2020) has 53 120, 37 94, 40 131,46 118 and 34 88. His 2021 numbers very similar to 24. He followed up 2021 with 40 homers 131 rbi. It’s lunacy to let a 30 years old slugger like this walk when you could sign him for only 3 years. And if he opts on after year one it means he had a great year. Soto needs protection. He had judge. Now? Nimmo? Laughable
And if he opts in, that means he sucked sour buttermilk. Which is the more likely scenario. Pete doesn't need an opt-out. He needs a get -the-fk-out. And he's about to get it.v
This unfortunately is the Mets version of all in. Sign Soto then try to shop in the bargain bin it seems. Would have been happy with the offseason had they resigned Pete
No. 61 RBIs at DH? No Alonso? Baty starting at 3rd? Little support for Soto? Mediocre (at best) starting rotation? Not likely to even make the playoffs
Mauricio won't even be ready for spring training since the ACL tear so I'm not even sure why you're including him in that possible Third Base spot. I see the Mets making a push for bregman honestly now they have the money to spend. I see bregman being open to the Mets I'm sure he wants to go somewhere that is close to the point where they will win now and win later
BRING PETE BACK!!!! HE FILLS OUT THE LINEUP AT THE VERY LEAST!!! Pitchers don’t pitch to him! That’s why his batting average is down! Pitchers are afraid of him!!! BRING PETE BACK!!!!That is all…
You're correct. You did a good compare of both players. Don't think the production will be worth the money but we'll see. I do trust this management team and there vision but gimme pete over bregssie there. But, well see and as always, til I'm in the ground 6 ft under.. lgm !!!
I agree with you a 100%. This is a nightmare negotiation. Everybody shut up, let Alonso to get th $31 million a year, so we can set the The market value and have multiple opt outs that you can op out or he can opt out after the first year
Mets have the model already from the Soto deal. Get him at 23-24 per year. Player option to opt out that the team can buy out for extra 6-7 mil each time.
I think they made the right call to pivot from alonso. But you sure as hell better be able to replace his production and no have to bank on the hope some prospect comes up and does it
It appears the Mets are no longer willing to bid against themselves. Market dictates price, simply. Hope both sides clear the slate and join together to negotiate. I am assuming at this point Pete’s side is no longer negotiating which is why the Mets pulled up. Hope they can find that common ground ASAP.
6yrs Alonzo ave 40 hr, 100rbi, 240ba, 800 ops, 500 obp. 3yr 70mil is low. He will be offered at least 3yr 75mil elsewhere. Sickening Alonzo can't get market value at 30yrs old.
That’s the thing, he tested the market and this IS his market value. Pete messed up declining contract (wasn’t from Sterns) and it’s going to cost him tremendously, that’s not the Mets fault.
@notadeadcatgorillaganf3468 Teams knew Alonzo wanted to play for Mets and would be using offer to go back to Mets. Now that Mets are out it should be different. There are a few teams interested. U have a point though.
@@notadeadcatgorillagang3468 Might not be "the Mets fault" in some sense that can be argued, but the Mets might well suffer for it. If the team fails to make the playoffs next year with Baty at 3b, I hope fans who turned on Pete are comforted by the fact that Stearns didn't "over pay." Because, in the end, that is what counts. Right? Above all else, we need to make sure the multi-billionaire owner doesn't "over pay" to help the team be better.
Disagree. A RB in the NFL depends on others for their performance. A good OL, a Good QB, makes a world of difference. In baseball, not the same. Pete can't say I had a bad season because my lineup was bad.
Apart from the below, while we don't know this yet, but I think Juan Soto will become the LeBron James of MLB in terms of influence on player personnel issues. And BTW, if Acuna or Mauricio have a good spring, they can put one of those guys at 2B, and put McNeil at 3B. And let's not forget re-signing Iglesias. He can play 3B.
It probably will work out. Just get another high level bat or maybe one of the prospects will work out like Acuna. David Stearns likes to give chances to his young players. There is nothing wrong with that. Scott Boras tries to lock in huge financial obligations that may not serve the organization. They can use the money next year to get Vladimir Guerrero or trade for Guerrero. Problem with Alonso is the strikeouts and low OBP. His power helps the Mets.
Stearns should tell boras that because there is an opportunity cost to keeping the offer out there, it will decline a quarter million in aav each and every day it is not agreed to
Really, 3 years 70 mil is the best the Mets could offer? I hope Pete goes to Japan instead and becomes Godzilla 2.0 over there. Thank you Pete, we hardly knew you, good luck wherever you go. Just my opinion. Take care everyone.
When it comes to Alonso, emotional Met fans cannot only focus on the contract money issues and ignore the lack of productivity Alonso displayed the entire 2024 regular season! Yes, he hit 34HRs (one more than the team’s shortstop), not 40!! Lindor’s HRs were struck when it counted most (clutch) to take the lead or tie a game! Most of Alonso’s HRs were incredible moonshots, hit when the team was already leading by 5-6 runs! He had 88 RBI and was only third on the team! He also led in one other category… strikeouts! The usual, frustrating at-bat , watching him deal with the outside corner, 2-strike, curveball, swing, and miss... Often right after he watched a fastball right down the middle the previous pitch he looked at and didn't swing!... In the National League, Alonso is ranked behind 4 other 1st basemen… Freeman, Harper, Walker, and Olson! That doesn’t include guys in the American league! Alonso’s offensive productivity did not contribute greatly to the team’s success in making the playoffs. He’s been on a downspin the last 2 years… These are the numbers David Stearns is throwing at Boras when they discuss justifying his contract demands… You cannot win games if you have players with low batting averages or not being productive with RISP… I like Pete and I wish they could work something out and return, but I’m with management here when considering Pete’s (lack of) productivity on a contract and most certainly when you’re being asked to bid against yourself!
Something no one is talking about. What about 1 year at 35 million. No deferrals etc. he gets to go out next year with no QO attached. He can save face a little.
So many are so lost on this topic. You don't ditch a 40 hr proven first baseman in NY, to replace him with a rookie and your worst defensive player by far. There are no proven 1st basemen on the market, and none that even come close to the power. Of course Pete turned down an extension, any sensible MLB player does when they are approaching free agency. He is not asking for Soto money here. The Lindor window is only 3 more years tops. Not signing Pete right now and not having a first baseman in this scenario is not genius, it is not shrewd, it is the definition of dumb.
Stearns is not a genuine New York Met. He cares less what Pete did for the Mets and how the fanbas loves him. Stearns is disrespectin Pete and Cohen knows this.
Despite Pete's decline* without him in the previously assumed lineup with him in it, this one just doesn't look that intimidating. Maybe one of the unproven youngsters cracks out or Jeff resurges.
He and Boras should have read the market correctly. One dimensional aging sluggers are not getting the big long-term deals these days. That extension was an overpay and he said "no", terrible move. Boras poisoned his brain making him think he was a 200M player.
We saw a lot of errors with Alonso at first too. Vientos wasn’t a good defensive third baseman so first base would definitely suit him better. If the Mets bring in Bregman or even Arenado, the defense becomes exponentially better.
Break it down Fink! Sterns just ruined his lineup to match his rotation to save 5 mill a year for 2 years. Great job! Foh. 2025 is over. Only the Mets can go from 2 games away from the ws then sign Soto and f it all up for a few million with the richest owner in sports. They are AMAZING! 😂
It’s NOT penny pinching. They paid market value for Soto. Edwin Diaz was, if not the best , a top 3 closer. Verlander and Scherzer? Nuff said. Nimmo hits and is an on base machine. Alonso is a one trick pony who has regressed for the last 2 seasons. There is NO WAY his salary should eclipse those of Freeman or Olsen…both are superior players. Pete had his bag in front of him and he turned up his nose. I don’t feel sorry for him. In life, you must learn to be accountable for the decisions you make. The Mets have offered him, at this point, a more than fair, market value offer. 29 other teams can’t be wrong.
Stupid to not give Pete 3 years and AAV that beats Miggys, for a homegrown legend, that’s worth it, not to mention you are doing Vientos as huge disservice moving him to first, it’s not an easy position and now Vientos value if being decreased
Y’all fans only want to take what Cohen & Stearns say and manipulate it to fit your own biased opinion. Cohen literally told y’all he wanted to be the East Coast Dodgers and the Dodgers don’t overpay non superstars. Teoscar literally took a pay cut to go back and there are way more examples than just Teoscar. The Dodgers literally have spent massive money and traded for superstars and paid them they let Trae Turner walk and just got guys on very short term deals so they can set themselves up to target Ohtani the Mets did that with Soto and will do it for Vlad Jr ( even though I believe the Mets will trade for him this off-season and believed it once they signed Soto ). I think people interpreted the Martino report wrong Winker was plan B I think Alonso at DH ( which would make Marte expendable ) was going to be a short term fix and they still go after Vlad Jr via a trade. Fans have got to be honest Alonso wasn’t even an all star last year he robbed Lindor of that.
The offseason is far from over and most of the top position players are still free agents. Even if Alonso goes elsewhere, Bregman and Santander are real options for the Mets.
@@LockedOnMets But, serious question, .. if the Mets only went to 3 / $68 mil with Alonso, do you really think Bregman is on the table? And wouldn’t Santander have come below 3 years to make the Mets even a possibility? I just don’t see it. Maybe I’m too pessimistic, but I’m guessing they’ll add a couple of “affordable” arms for the pen and then that’s the team they’ll roll with. Hope it works out.
I am ok with moving on from Pete if Mets can get Vlad Jr. Ryan, let's not assume that Baty will be the starting 3B on opening day. There will be other options.
@@thefundamentals3623 I agree with this. I think with Uncle Steve's money a lot of people think we're going to put together this super team of all free agents at top dollar at every position. Stearns wants to get the kids up and producing and have some cheap starters with youth and athleticism to complement the older stars.
Ok. What are the good 3b options if Vientos moves to 1b? And, if there are good options, will Stearns spend for any of them after refusing to go above $70 mil / 3 years for Pete? I don't see it. I think fans need to prepare themselves for Bretty Baty starting at 3b next season. Who knows, maybe he finally breaks through.
@ Well, if they can't do anything better, they can re-sign Iglesias, but I still think they will find a way to make a Vlad Jr trade happen, because I think this is what Soto wants.
Dude Pete Alonso isn’t as good as you are trying to make him out to be. He was given an opportunity to extend his stay before this new GM. He chose what chose! He doesn’t put fear into any team pitching rotation. I’ve watched him strikeout several times when it matter and looking nonetheless
If 30+ homers and 90rbis is considered diminished yall crazy!!!! Lets see how winker/marte do for the year cause thats your replacement! That lineup isnt as scary now🤣🤣🤣
This isn't remotely 'awful.' I want my GM to put the best possible team on the field. That means NOT bringing back a bloated, bad defensive 1Bman turning 30, particularly when there are 3 young guys all of whom have a shot at playing a good 3B and providing as much value as Alonso for 1/30th of the salary he wants. "Blood, sweat, and tears"? It's baseball, son. It's not the docks. Simmer down. Alonso has no right 'to be livid.' Now you're sounding like a plain fool who fails to grasp that the Mets *_DO NOT WANT ALONSO BACK._* He blocks moving Vientos to 1B which blocks 3B to Acuna, Mauricio, or Baty while costing them somewhere between $23m and $30m a year. You're not thinking, you're just carrying on.
Steve Cohen better please the fan base if he doesn't wanna see empty seats , don't know what you saying , did he not promise the fan base a world series in 5 years , cause this line up is not scaring anyone ,what bat is gonna hit in front or behind soto , mets need another huge bat I am sorry , Alonso getting disrespected by Cohen and Stearns, penny pinching is right ,
This is on Pete, he was offered an extension of 7/158 and rejected it. then was offered a market value deal per his position and again he rejected. Let's be real here for sec. Pete is not worth 30m+ a year, he's not worth more then freeman, Olson and Harper and even Vladdy. Pete got a fair deal for his position. Pete also has no market...This is a business you need to take the fanboy thing out of shit....Homegrown or not, This is all on Pete.
Ryan, this is a bad look ? Well, maybe, but but now you're making an emotional / moral crisis type argument. I am old enough to remember when this team did not have very highly capitalized ownership and it was while free agency was AT BEST in it's infancy. You want to talk about penny pitching? I remember how much it hurt the fans when Tom Seaver and Nolan Ryan got dealt away, and although ownership didn't want to coment on it directly, everyone knew it was about money. Imagine what it could have been like back then, to BUILD around Seaver and Ryan. I have mentioned in other streams, even Stearns and Cohen have a budget. We just don't know what it is. We will get over this, especially if we wind up with Vlad Jr, and I think the financial guns will get reloaded for this acquisition.
Pete and, or his agent Scott Boras were looking for a big payday, problem is he's not as good as former MVP Freddie Freeman and they were looking to get paid even more than Freeman, say what?!
Thank You Pete for all the great years and moments! I hope something still works out, but if not, Pete’s gonna go somewhere and kill it for another 5 years! This is gonna be like a NY Giants and Shaquan Barkley situation, where we let him walk over a few million dollars. (Then he rushed for 5th best season ever!)
Huge mistake by the Mets. I’d get it if it came down to years … if Pete demanded more than 3 years and the Mets didn’t think that would help the team. But the Mets wanted Pete for 3 years. This just came down to money. And that disappoints me. Was it a solid “business” decision? Maybe. But this isn’t just a business. Cohen is a self-avowed fan. People are passionate about baseball. Just making this a dollars-and-cents decision, frankly, nauseates me. And regarding “taking out” the considerations of “who Pete has been to the organization” and “want the fans want” from the decision process just leaves me shaking my head. The Mets would be a better team in ‘25 with Pete. That should have been the primary consideration. But, hey, Stearns saved the multi-billionaire a few million bucks here. So, .. yay?
Yeah, it’s total BS after giving Lindor 34 million a year for eight years and then giving Soto 51 freaking million dollars a year for 15 years and even Sean manaea 23 for three years,, Stern should’ve stepped up stop being so blockheaded
@ With all due respect, I think that misses the point. The Mets wanted Pete for 3 years. Pete came down to 3 years. It ended up just being about money. "Give the money to the true stars no over pay a good player on the decline." It simply isn't either/or. The Mets, with their multi-billionaire owner, absolutely could pay the extra $7 mil per year over three years to get Pete AND still sign other players. As a fan, I want the Mets to put the best team possible on the field. And if Cohen pays an extra $20 mil over three years for Pete ... so be it. I'd rather that than see Baty in the lineup on opening day instead of Pete. I think fans are in for a shock over the rest of this offseason. I don't see Bregman, Santander, or Scott getting signed. I predict Stearns will sign a couple of affordable bullpen arms and then that is the team he'll roll with come opening day. And I, for one, will feel disappointed. I hope I'm wrong. Guess we'll see what happens.
@@dashx1103 BRING PETE BACK!!!! HE FILLS OUT THE LINEUP AT THE VERY LEAST!!! Pitchers don’t pitch to him! That’s why his batting average is down! Pitchers are afraid of him!!! BRING PETE BACK!!!!That is all…
Getting interior help from the minors is not the answer. It's important to get any of the hitters that are left if polar bear leaves. This isn't rocket science. You make it so complicated.
After giving Soto an ungodly amount in AAV, the Mets have decided to close the purse and treat a popular, homegrown player like Alonso like a panhandler. I know Pete leaves a lot of RISP and strikes out at a pace most sluggers do. I do not buy the fact his age is a problem. 30 years is not over the hill, and a three-year deal suits both sides. Even if the AAV of 30 million is over market price, settling the 1st Base issue and solidifying the lineup for this season is worth the extra cost. Cohen is on the verge of resurrecting the ghost of Fred Wilpon here, and this can be solved with an opt-out for both sides after each of the first two years. Alonso's replacement options leave the team with a lineup that scares no one. The 2025 team is shaping up to be below par compared to the 2024 team. Despite the addition of Soto, the Mets are not as strong hitting-wise or pitching-wise. The front office did a good job last season. They must do an even better job to save this team from a third-place finish. I've followed the team since 1962 and am not happy with this roster. They can and should be doing a better job in the front office.
Fans need to get out of their (Pete Alonso) emotions. At the end of the day, baseball is a business. He was offered a long-term contract. He declined, and here we are. Fans are acting like Cohen money is their money.
Good stuff, Ryan! Stearns did this stuff in Milwaukee Losing Pete is not the end of the world, depending on who you replace him with. Sign Tanner Scott. Trade for Yandy/Fairbanks. Sign Vlad next year, depending on his season this year
Capitalism and the "free market" are all the rage until the market is not in your favor. Pete made a mistake not taking his deal a couple of years ago. I like Pete. I'd like him back, but he hasn't merited a bigger paycheck than Freddie Freeman. The market is the market.
Ryan, I respect you and your Channel...But, the right question/headline should be "Is Pete Alonso Making The Right Call With The METS?"...The METS offered Pete a deal which Pete, so far, categorically rejected...Pete underperformed his career stats in 2024 which gives credence to the "diminishing skills" concerns the METS legitimately have...Pete should come back for a decent AAV and shorter years/opt outs and prove that he is still a 40+ HR & 100+ RBI player...I think Pete will be in a METS uniform by Opening Day 2025 after he comes to his senses
He's a big Pete fanboy.
Pete not coming back. I just heard it on the news
You’re wrong. They offered him a measly 68M after giving Soto 800M. And he is supposed to take that and put his tail between his legs and go perform? They should’ve deferred some money if they didn’t want to go over the threshold. They should’ve done something to keep him in the lineup because this lineup is trash without a big bat behind Soto. They need another big bat, if not 2, to even have a chance against the Dodgers. But to cheap out now after signing the biggest contract in baseball and getting their fans’ hopes up is a f’n joke. All the Yankees fans were right. They needed a powerful lineup to make up for the trash pitching. I don’t understand how $280 million is spent on this team. Where is the money? All spent on Soto and Lindor? Because everybody else sucks. GTFOH. 🤡
Good plan
Pete Blew it
I don't understand the 2024-2025 Mets off season; for a team that went down to the last day of the season to get a playoff spot. Had to have Lindor get as hot as any player and go on kind of a miracle run to make the playoffs. Than spending huge to sign Soto, the Mets haven't really added any pieces to their team that makes them night and day different than the 2024 team.
When the rest of the league saw them sign Soto to a massive contract I think that everyone got afraid that they Mets were really going load up and be a major factor. Yet; to date the Mets haven't done that with pitching, offensive or anything. I think the Mets are a very different team with a 40 home run bat in the middle of the line up compared to not having Alonso. Knowing that Alonso has performed in a tough market of New York, I think he walks the Mets have made a huge mistake.
What I see on paper so far the 2025 Mets aren't a team that many other teams are going be afraid of. I think without protection Soto is going be walked alot
Those who are bemoaning this turn of events haven’t watched every game this year, when he was terrible with RISP and constantly flailed at sliders low and two feet off the plate, while passing on hittable fastballs. Since turning down a very fair offer in 2023, he has declined significantly. It might have been pressure to perform in his walk year, or it could be the beginning of his slide. Giving him another walk year in the first year of a new contract, just gave him another opportunity to choke. My first negative about Pete was his insistence on doing Home Run Derby year after year.
Want examples of what could go wrong? Look at how much better Ryan Howard was than Pete in his early seasons and look at how he fell like a rock after inking a big contract. I still haven’t seen any team offer more than the Mets did. In what world does Pete think he is worth what Freddy Freeman is making?
It was obvious that Pete was only looking at the money when he turned town the seven year $158 million contract and fired his agent. Look at where Michael Conforto is after turning down a fair offer. I wanted Pete back, despite my predictions about his future, in part to compensate him for what he has done for our team. But I can’t close my eyes to just how bad he has been in his last two years compared to the rest of his career.
He was a ghost for nearly two months.
I think you hit it on his flaws and 2024 performance. I think $22.57 mil AAV was a bit light then...But now, $30 mil+ is obviously ridiculous...!! Pete needs to prove he ISN'T "diminishing"...He should take a shorter reduced AAV deal now and get more later - which he will if he consistently hits 40+ HRs and 100+ RBIs
This is an adjustment that he has to make. It's not that he is declining.
1. NYM HR record is embarrassing can’t use that as leverage
2. All those players you mentioned received Market value, which Pete was offered
3. Pete could have worked with the NYM, can’t blame the team for not “working” with Pete
4. Pete signed with Boras, what was he expecting
Can’t blame the NYM
I think the Mets are going end up being the long term losers if Alonso leaves. Alonso was a franchise icon; the Mets just spent crazy money on Juan Soto and suddenly they are pulling in the purse strings with Alonso. Alonso has huge power that changes the entire game. Your 2024 post season would have been over in Milwaukee without him. Your 2025 line up as it sits Soto doesn't have protection should get lots of walks and make the batters behind him have to prove they can drive runs in.
It is going look really bad for the Mets, players and fans is Alonso doesn't get a massive contract by another team. Going look like they don't take care of their own.
@ a franchise Icon of a losing team!!!! Come on
@@benjaminwatlers1848Alonso will not get a massive contract from another team. He wants to play hard ball well then let’s play hard ball. His season last year was in the gutter. If not for the Mets playoffs he’d be nowhere. He can’t drive in anyone and strikeouts at will. What are we talking about here?
Pete Alonso still has made more than enough money to take care of his grandchildren. These guys’ egos are so stroked their entire lives to where they have an overinflated sense of their market worth. Why do the Mets now have to pay more than any other team is willing to pay him? He’s nowhere near the statosphere of a player like Freeman, let alone Soto. Scherzer or Lindor. If he wants to be a Met, then why not sign for maybe just a little more than what the rest of the market offered? 5 other teams were willing to pay Soto over 700M. No other team is willing to pay him 23M/year. Reality sucks. He needs to learn this lesson just like most of us have. Jealousy is an ugly thing.
I also am a Pete fan and a die hard Met fan since 1968, BUT you pay for what you believe a player can do for you going forward. It would be great to have him back, but 3yrs/75 is more than fair. In fact, one can see it as a bit of an overplay. How would us fans feel if Pete going forward is a 35 homer guy and a .225 - .235 hitter. Would you feel he was worth it for 25? Also, he would solidify his legacy as a all time great Met.
When did Pete Alonso become Lou Gehrig?
Never...And no one will...Gehrig remains the second greatest player in History behind Babe Ruth...Barry Bonds is 3rd...imho
He fields like Mrs. Gehrig.
This is good business. Pete bet on himself, and his production has dropped. Players know that’s a big risk. Pete has received the same AAV offer as the offer he turned down last year. This offer remains the best offer at the moment, and Stearns isn’t letting this drag on so that he can make the correct lineup pivots before those guys are signed or traded. Players who receive a fair offer from the Mets are on notice that they better be sure they know their projected market because we will not bid against ourselves.
Exactly, he lost a bet and then still thought he got to keep his chips. That isn't how it works.
I am so glad that the Mets decided to keep Winker for another year. I like the energy that he brings to the team. He’s a jackass but he’s our jackass!
I would have loved to see how Pete would respond to batting before or after Soto. Idk. Maybe they could still work something out but I highly doubt it at this point.
I think Winker could be a clubhouse cancer, he has a bad reputation. I think if he had been with the Mets all year he may have caused issues when they were losing. When a team is winning and he only came for the back end of the season usually no club house issues. Yet, when a team is losing when you find out about character, etc.
I think Sterns MO is gaining some clarity, which is to only pay for a players market value, but if there is a bidding war with other teams they will “overpay” if they truly want the player, Soto as an example. That means, Pete isn’t getting more than his market value from the Mets until they’ve heard another team has made an offer. Either you believe a player with no market should or should not get paid for their past. I lean towards not doing so, especially when the players future looks bleak, like Pete’s.
@brandonin_ny...I think you're 100% correct on all that...!!
I think this is a bad look for the Mets, spending over 700 million for Soto than playing cheap with Alonso. Especially; because you know he can handle the New York market, he is a fan favorite. I think the Mets should have went out overpaid a little bit got the big bat back to protect Soto and worked on the next signings.
Pete isn’t worth over 25 mil a year .. I love Pete but he n boras screwed this up not the Mets
Alonzo is 30yo, All star last 3 yrs, will have his ave 100rbi, 40hr, 800ops season. Will easily get at least 3yr 75mil.
@@Thagomizer-U235 yea exactly ,, he’s worth 25 a year on the dot no more an he turned it down
@@Thagomizer-U235If that were the case, he would have been on another team already. 🤔
@@coryalaburda3668 Not really. When a player says they really want to stay with their team, other teams usually just make lowball bc they know offers are only going be used for home team to match. Now that Mets are out, real offers should be coming from other teams.
I think your wrong; you don't know what Pete ends up with. Yet, as it stands you have the Mets that spent big on Soto but haven't added a big bat to protect him. I usually blame Boras for things but I don't this time. Alonso is a franchise icon, the Mets should have overpaid a little bit for him. Especially if since they have the money.
The only way that this could come out nicely and Pete saves face is If he fires Scott Boras after this is all over.
I think your wrong; nobody knows what contract he will get. The Mets on the other hand just spent huge for Soto and haven't added a big bat to protect him. If the Mets don't ad a big bat I think Soto gets walked a lot. Than by the all star break people will be saying dam we should have gotten a big bat.
@@benjaminwatlers1848 What are you even talking about?!?! Soto IS the protection for guys in the lineup. Soto didn’t have protection in Washington and he raked. Good hitters don’t need protection. Your comment is a joke.
Good take.
Pete is way better than Walker. Pete had lots of crappy years. He is also 4 years older. Give Pete his money. He’s 30 years old.
Pete couldn't carry Walker's jock. He probably should though.
he averages 42 home runs and 108 RBIs a year. Walker averages 27 home runs and 80 RBIs. Walker has won gold gloves, but it is still not close.
Great video Ryan! I think you did great on how you portrayed what both sides think. I am like you that I wish both sides would meet halfway and sign a contract. I do really worry about the Mets line up also. They have to make more moves on offense still
I'll put my money on McNeil to get close to 300
Mcneil is not the starting second basement.Its Muricio.
Trust in David Stearns!
Stearns and cohen had a secret pact goin into this offseason.
Stearns said “you can have Soto, but you’re leaving Pete in my hands.”
I love Pete, I really do.
But I never thought he was worth a giant contract, and I even told my friends/family last season that they should trade him at the deadline.
Without Alonso last year the Mets season would have ended in Milwaukee. He showed that game changing power. The Mets didn't have to re-sign him but they have a big hole in their line up without a proven veteran bat to protect Soto. I don't understand the Mets spending huge for Soto than not overpaying a little maybe for Alonso.
You really think Stearns going to tell Cohen what to do?
@@benjaminwatlers1848 Thank you. I keep telling ppl i don't trust Stearns in his money ball ways. The Mets had a good run in the playoffs off the players that was here already before Stearns got here. Stearns getting way to much credit on the Mets lucky run last year.
Ryan, stop bro. This is all falls on Pete. You and other fellow Met fans need to put the personal feeling aside. First Pete chose his path by passing on the initial contract. Then he chose to go with Boras. Then he choked, he didn’t pull what Judge did on his walk year.
Any organization cannot pay a player that shows decline at 30, we not rewarding the pass but what you can do for us in the future (insert DeGrom) nuff said, everyone keep it moving. Pete go kick rocks.
You realize without Alonso your postseason would have ended in Milwakuee; that kind of power bat is hard to find. This is a team that spent over 700 million on Soto and you can't overpay a little bit to keep a franchise icon?
Without Alonso behind Soto who routinely walks 130 times the guys behind him in the line up have more questions than proven run producing results.
Having spent 700 million dollars on Soto the Mets should be in win now mood and Alonso even with a overpayment is worth more to this team than you realize
Thanks for your insight on this matter. Love watching your show everyday bossman
Pete screwed himself big time!!
I stand with Stearns 🙌🏽
Hope you remember that in June if Alonso leaves and Soto is being walked and the Mets bats behind Soto are being challenged and not coming through
I think this speaks to more than money. I think he might not fit in with some of the more influential guys in the locker room.
He speaks Spanish I believe...But his lineage is from Spain which can be an issue with Latin Americans and the history of the Conquistadors and all that...Spaniards seen as arrogant by a lot of Latinos
With Pete in the lineup we were always lacking that 2nd big bat. So now if we do not resign him we are fielding a lineup missing a true secondary “big bat” once again. Man, I sure hope they can work this thing out.
About had enough of Stearns. Pete is the heart and soul of this team. If we're left with just Soto hip-grinding and crotch-grabbing his way to 3rd place in the NL East, I suppose there are some fans that will bite on that but I'm out. I'll use the MLB subscription money for shots every time a throw in the dirt from Baty or Lindor or the mound ends up at the backstop behind Vientos.
Ryan love your show. This is business. Alonso take the deal, crush it now he knows his market, and comeback to the table. The Mets are doing the proper business.
PETE ALONSO COULD KICK OFF THE DIRT THROWN AT HIS BASEBALL ABILITIES BY FOCUSING ON HIS HEALTH AND BETTER
APPROACH AT THE PLATE. FIELDING AS LONG AS HE COULD DO
THE AVERAGE FIELDING. FROM HERE TO THE AGE OF 35 A GUY LIKE PETE HOMERUN SLUGGER HAS HIS " BEST " YEARS. SLUGGERS ARE
BUILT DIFFERENT.
DON'T REMOVE THE TREE BEFORE THE ACTUAL STRENGTH BLOOMS.
Absolutely a great decision! Stearns knows what he's doing, for those of you that think this is a bad move, you obviously didn't watch the bulk of the games last year!
Definitely, Alonso left a small village on the bases last season. Most of his home runs were in meaningless situations!
Pete's run production isn’t just weighed by this last year, but his entire career. With virtually no protection, since he entered the league; Pete has led the league with home runs & RBIs until last year when judge just passed him with an MVP season. He had a bad year with RISP especially, but Pete’s bad year is better than 90% of most players good years. He’s not turning 37 years old. In 2023 he hit 46 home runs & 116 RBIs. Pete will easily have multiple seasons with 40+ HRs, 100+ RBIs and the Mets have looked at the market for 1st base & not run production.
On the defensive side, you want to move a guy who struggled defensively with tough grounders & his best weapon is his arm & take away that weapon, but have him at 1st where Pete was better than most at scooping bad throws which are the vast majority of 1st base defensive plays occur. This is a poor decision by the front office, imho.
@@MitchropolitanWhy does Alonso need protection?!?!?! If he’s so valuable and so good HE should be the protection for guys around him!!! These pathetic, dumbass claims he didn’t have protection. He’s the mighty power hitter, he should be the one protecting guys around him.
And quit with the bull$hit HR and RBI nonsense. Are you really one of the remaining clueless people that still doesn’t comprehend that Alonso’s HR and RBI for 90% of his career have come in garbage time? Other channels and UA-camrs and podcasters have done deep dives into Alonso’s CAREER stats already and his entire career he’s been bad with RISP and in clutch spots. His HR and RBI come in times when it’s not really important and then people like YOU talk about all his HR and RBI. The fools are so easily played by Alonso’s BS stats.
Over the last 3-4 seasons Alonso has declined EVERY SEASON in OPS, slugging, total bases and RBI while increasing in strikeouts every single season I. The same timeframe.
You’re an absolute clown for wanting to overpay for someone who has been declining for 3-4 years straight.
And Judge has more HR than Alonso in like 100 less games!!! Not to mention the rest of the top five all average around the same at bats per HR as Alonso does. And they are all better hitters than Alonso.
@@Mitchropolitan
Pete's toast.
If the Mets let Alonso walk they have to find a big bat to protect Soto. Nimmo doesn't have the power; Vientos doesn't have a proven multiple season track record. As is stands the Mets signed Soto for a record amount, than he has no protection in the line up. If Soto walks around a 130 times with protection batters behind him imagine how many times he could walk with no big bat behind him.
Bottom line is, Pete mess up, did I miss all the offers he got from other teams? Refresh my memory please, so it's on him, we saw the year you had, and you're trying to get bookoo money after turning down deals, blame yourself Pete. LGM ⚾
Did Alonso make the Mets better last season? Forget the couple of games in the playoffs. We all know the answer is no. He was never clutch, and struck out, popped up, or hit into double plays. What if this year is the same? Why should the team take the chance? Pete should have to take the chance, prove he can still play at the level we expected. The proof is, no other teams are lining up to sign him.
Why should we "forget" the couple of games in the playoffs? The Mets made it to the NLCS. It was an accomplishment all us fans cheered. And the Mets made the playoffs to begin with by the skin of their teeth. One less win, the Mets would have been out. Do you really think the Mets make the playoffs if you take Pete out of the equation last year? I sure don't. I also note that Pete's career playoff OPS is over 1.000. People acting like he wasn't and isn't a good player and a prodigious power bat just baffles me. How quickly fans can turn.
@dashx1103 "the Mets made it to the playoffs to begin with by the skin of their teeth" in large part due to Alonso's inability to drive in key runs during the regular season
THE METS SHOULD HAVE BEEN MOVED ON FROM PETE.
If Pete really wants to be here the balls are in his court now!!
Pete alonso in 5 full years (not counting c vid 2020) has 53 120, 37 94, 40 131,46 118 and 34 88. His 2021 numbers very similar to 24. He followed up 2021 with 40 homers 131 rbi. It’s lunacy to let a 30 years old slugger like this walk when you could sign him for only 3 years. And if he opts on after year one it means he had a great year. Soto needs protection. He had judge. Now? Nimmo? Laughable
And if he opts in, that means he sucked sour buttermilk. Which is the more likely scenario.
Pete doesn't need an opt-out. He needs a get -the-fk-out. And he's about to get it.v
This unfortunately is the Mets version of all in. Sign Soto then try to shop in the bargain bin it seems. Would have been happy with the offseason had they resigned Pete
No. 61 RBIs at DH? No Alonso? Baty starting at 3rd? Little support for Soto? Mediocre (at best) starting rotation? Not likely to even make the playoffs
Ok 🤡
9:45 onward. Excellent assessment on Alonso's mindset
Mauricio won't even be ready for spring training since the ACL tear so I'm not even sure why you're including him in that possible Third Base spot. I see the Mets making a push for bregman honestly now they have the money to spend. I see bregman being open to the Mets I'm sure he wants to go somewhere that is close to the point where they will win now and win later
BRING PETE BACK!!!! HE FILLS OUT THE LINEUP AT THE VERY LEAST!!! Pitchers don’t pitch to him! That’s why his batting average is down! Pitchers are afraid of him!!! BRING PETE BACK!!!!That is all…
The only thing Pete fills is his piehole at the postgame clubhouse spread.
You're correct. You did a good compare of both players. Don't think the production will be worth the money but we'll see. I do trust this management team and there vision but gimme pete over bregssie there. But, well see and as always, til I'm in the ground 6 ft under.. lgm !!!
I agree with you a 100%. This is a nightmare negotiation. Everybody shut up, let Alonso to get th $31 million a year, so we can set the The market value and have multiple opt outs that you can op out or he can opt out after the first year
Mets have the model already from the Soto deal. Get him at 23-24 per year. Player option to opt out that the team can buy out for extra 6-7 mil each time.
I think they made the right call to pivot from alonso. But you sure as hell better be able to replace his production and no have to bank on the hope some prospect comes up and does it
It appears the Mets are no longer willing to bid against themselves. Market dictates price, simply. Hope both sides clear the slate and join together to negotiate. I am assuming at this point Pete’s side is no longer negotiating which is why the Mets pulled up. Hope they can find that common ground ASAP.
Good Met? Yes. Overpay or give 5 years for a .240 40hr guy? no.
You forget all the chasing. All the strikeouts. PA was horrible before the playy
6yrs Alonzo ave 40 hr, 100rbi, 240ba, 800 ops, 500 obp. 3yr 70mil is low. He will be offered at least 3yr 75mil elsewhere. Sickening Alonzo can't get market value at 30yrs old.
That’s the thing, he tested the market and this IS his market value. Pete messed up declining contract (wasn’t from Sterns) and it’s going to cost him tremendously, that’s not the Mets fault.
@notadeadcatgorillaganf3468 Teams knew Alonzo wanted to play for Mets and would be using offer to go back to Mets. Now that Mets are out it should be different. There are a few teams interested. U have a point though.
@@notadeadcatgorillagang3468 Might not be "the Mets fault" in some sense that can be argued, but the Mets might well suffer for it. If the team fails to make the playoffs next year with Baty at 3b, I hope fans who turned on Pete are comforted by the fact that Stearns didn't "over pay." Because, in the end, that is what counts. Right? Above all else, we need to make sure the multi-billionaire owner doesn't "over pay" to help the team be better.
It's only January 17. We have 4 weeks until Spring Training.
Agreed on the Saquon reference.
Disagree. A RB in the NFL depends on others for their performance. A good OL, a Good QB, makes a world of difference.
In baseball, not the same. Pete can't say I had a bad season because my lineup was bad.
Apart from the below, while we don't know this yet, but I think Juan Soto will become the LeBron James of MLB in terms of influence on player personnel issues. And BTW, if Acuna or Mauricio have a good spring, they can put one of those guys at 2B, and put McNeil at 3B. And let's not forget re-signing Iglesias. He can play 3B.
It probably will work out. Just get another high level bat or maybe one of the prospects will work out like Acuna. David Stearns likes to give chances to his young players. There is nothing wrong with that. Scott Boras tries to lock in huge financial obligations that may not serve the organization. They can use the money next year to get Vladimir Guerrero or trade for Guerrero. Problem with Alonso is the strikeouts and low OBP. His power helps the Mets.
Stearns should tell boras that because there is an opportunity cost to keeping the offer out there, it will decline a quarter million in aav each and every day it is not agreed to
Really, 3 years 70 mil is the best the Mets could offer? I hope Pete goes to Japan instead and becomes Godzilla 2.0 over there.
Thank you Pete, we hardly knew you, good luck wherever you go.
Just my opinion.
Take care everyone.
When it comes to Alonso, emotional Met fans cannot only focus on the contract money issues and ignore the lack of productivity Alonso displayed the entire 2024 regular season! Yes, he hit 34HRs (one more than the team’s shortstop), not 40!! Lindor’s HRs were struck when it counted most (clutch) to take the lead or tie a game! Most of Alonso’s HRs were incredible moonshots, hit when the team was already leading by 5-6 runs! He had 88 RBI and was only third on the team! He also led in one other category… strikeouts! The usual, frustrating at-bat , watching him deal with the outside corner, 2-strike, curveball, swing, and miss... Often right after he watched a fastball right down the middle the previous pitch he looked at and didn't swing!... In the National League, Alonso is ranked behind 4 other 1st basemen… Freeman, Harper, Walker, and Olson! That doesn’t include guys in the American league! Alonso’s offensive productivity did not contribute greatly to the team’s success in making the playoffs. He’s been on a downspin the last 2 years… These are the numbers David Stearns is throwing at Boras when they discuss justifying his contract demands… You cannot win games if you have players with low batting averages or not being productive with RISP… I like Pete and I wish they could work something out and return, but I’m with management here when considering Pete’s (lack of) productivity on a contract and most certainly when you’re being asked to bid against yourself!
Something no one is talking about. What about 1 year at 35 million. No deferrals etc. he gets to go out next year with no QO attached. He can save face a little.
So many are so lost on this topic. You don't ditch a 40 hr proven first baseman in NY, to replace him with a rookie and your worst defensive player by far. There are no proven 1st basemen on the market, and none that even come close to the power. Of course Pete turned down an extension, any sensible MLB player does when they are approaching free agency. He is not asking for Soto money here. The Lindor window is only 3 more years tops. Not signing Pete right now and not having a first baseman in this scenario is not genius, it is not shrewd, it is the definition of dumb.
Stearns is not a genuine New York Met. He cares less what Pete did for the Mets and how the fanbas loves him. Stearns is disrespectin Pete and Cohen knows this.
GivesAShit about fanbase? The man is paid to make the team better. Not worry about some clueless pom-pom waving losers.
LGY! 👈🤓👌
Why should Stearns GiveAShit about a bunch of fanboys? His job is to build a club. Not wave pom-poms.
Why would we get rid of Jeff McNeil? The only guy on this team they can hit 300. I think you’re getting silly in your old age
He hit 300 one time in his last 4 years. He hit 238 last year.
Stearns / Cohen won’t big against themselves
Despite Pete's decline* without him in the previously assumed lineup with him in it, this one just doesn't look that intimidating. Maybe one of the unproven youngsters cracks out or Jeff resurges.
Cohen need to step in and sign Pete. Pete just turn 30 and step up in the playoffs when we needed him.
He and Boras should have read the market correctly. One dimensional aging sluggers are not getting the big long-term deals these days. That extension was an overpay and he said "no", terrible move. Boras poisoned his brain making him think he was a 200M player.
Just because the fanatics love him doesn't mean they have to overpay
Expect a lot of errors with Vientos at first.
He has a good glove to play the hot corner. He may settle well at first.
Vientos had the best fielding percentage among qualified 3rd baseman last year. Hell do fine at 1st since that's what he mainly played the AAA.
Pete’s also a butcher at 1B, and Vientos’ defense was better at 3B as the year went on. Defense is not why this situation gives us pause.
What sport do you watch? They put aging players and fat guys at first base, an athletic kid like Vientos should transition fine.
We saw a lot of errors with Alonso at first too. Vientos wasn’t a good defensive third baseman so first base would definitely suit him better. If the Mets bring in Bregman or even Arenado, the defense becomes exponentially better.
Lindor, Soto, Alonso, Nimmo and Vientos would have been a great first five in the lineup, no way we compete with the Dodger lineup now, smh
Love all these hindsight are 20. 20 guys now ,you can't blame a guy for wanting to try free agency after being owned by the team for 6 years
Break it down Fink! Sterns just ruined his lineup to match his rotation to save 5 mill a year for 2 years. Great job! Foh. 2025 is over. Only the Mets can go from 2 games away from the ws then sign Soto and f it all up for a few million with the richest owner in sports. They are AMAZING! 😂
It’s NOT penny pinching. They paid market value for Soto. Edwin Diaz was, if not the best , a top 3 closer. Verlander and Scherzer? Nuff said. Nimmo hits and is an on base machine. Alonso is a one trick pony who has regressed for the last 2 seasons. There is NO WAY his salary should eclipse those of Freeman or Olsen…both are superior players. Pete had his bag in front of him and he turned up his nose. I don’t feel sorry for him. In life, you must learn to be accountable for the decisions you make. The Mets have offered him, at this point, a more than fair, market value offer. 29 other teams can’t be wrong.
Stupid to not give Pete 3 years and AAV that beats Miggys, for a homegrown legend, that’s worth it, not to mention you are doing Vientos as huge disservice moving him to first, it’s not an easy position and now Vientos value if being decreased
Y’all fans only want to take what Cohen & Stearns say and manipulate it to fit your own biased opinion. Cohen literally told y’all he wanted to be the East Coast Dodgers and the Dodgers don’t overpay non superstars. Teoscar literally took a pay cut to go back and there are way more examples than just Teoscar. The Dodgers literally have spent massive money and traded for superstars and paid them they let Trae Turner walk and just got guys on very short term deals so they can set themselves up to target Ohtani the Mets did that with Soto and will do it for Vlad Jr ( even though I believe the Mets will trade for him this off-season and believed it once they signed Soto ). I think people interpreted the Martino report wrong Winker was plan B I think Alonso at DH ( which would make Marte expendable ) was going to be a short term fix and they still go after Vlad Jr via a trade. Fans have got to be honest Alonso wasn’t even an all star last year he robbed Lindor of that.
Soto most likely is not happy. No protection.
@@fenson100 I’m sure Soto loves the idea of Baty protecting him.
The offseason is far from over and most of the top position players are still free agents. Even if Alonso goes elsewhere, Bregman and Santander are real options for the Mets.
@@LockedOnMets But, serious question, .. if the Mets only went to 3 / $68 mil with Alonso, do you really think Bregman is on the table? And wouldn’t Santander have come below 3 years to make the Mets even a possibility? I just don’t see it. Maybe I’m too pessimistic, but I’m guessing they’ll add a couple of “affordable” arms for the pen and then that’s the team they’ll roll with. Hope it works out.
He’s here 15 years. They didn’t tell him we are getting every free agent every year. Dynasty is not built in one offseason.
Love Pete, but he couldn't lay off the slider out of the strike zone and rarely was clutch.
I am ok with moving on from Pete if Mets can get Vlad Jr. Ryan, let's not assume that Baty will be the starting 3B on opening day. There will be other options.
They aren't getting Vlad.
@@thefundamentals3623 I agree with this. I think with Uncle Steve's money a lot of people think we're going to put together this super team of all free agents at top dollar at every position. Stearns wants to get the kids up and producing and have some cheap starters with youth and athleticism to complement the older stars.
Ok. What are the good 3b options if Vientos moves to 1b? And, if there are good options, will Stearns spend for any of them after refusing to go above $70 mil / 3 years for Pete? I don't see it. I think fans need to prepare themselves for Bretty Baty starting at 3b next season. Who knows, maybe he finally breaks through.
@ Well, if they can't do anything better, they can re-sign Iglesias, but I still think they will find a way to make a Vlad Jr trade happen, because I think this is what Soto wants.
And now I disagree with you completely about viento's.He played a very good third base for us last year
Dude Pete Alonso isn’t as good as you are trying to make him out to be. He was given an opportunity to extend his stay before this new GM. He chose what chose! He doesn’t put fear into any team pitching rotation. I’ve watched him strikeout several times when it matter and looking nonetheless
Pete's inability to drive in important runs throughtout the years is what screwed him. That 1 homer against Milwaukee wasn't enough to save him
I thought when Steve Cohen bought the team we wouldn't see the homegrown guys leave. I thought wrong.
Alonso's mistake was listing ro that War-Pig, Boras. He should have accepted the 7 year deal last year.
This is what Boras does...
Boras was not his agent at the time.
If 30+ homers and 90rbis is considered diminished yall crazy!!!! Lets see how winker/marte do for the year cause thats your replacement! That lineup isnt as scary now🤣🤣🤣
Ryan: you hit many nails on their heads. I think you made a good case to bring Pete back…
No they are not.
This isn't remotely 'awful.' I want my GM to put the best possible team on the field. That means NOT bringing back a bloated, bad defensive 1Bman turning 30, particularly when there are 3 young guys all of whom have a shot at playing a good 3B and providing as much value as Alonso for 1/30th of the salary he wants.
"Blood, sweat, and tears"? It's baseball, son. It's not the docks. Simmer down.
Alonso has no right 'to be livid.' Now you're sounding like a plain fool who fails to grasp that the Mets *_DO NOT WANT ALONSO BACK._* He blocks moving Vientos to 1B which blocks 3B to Acuna, Mauricio, or Baty while costing them somewhere between $23m and $30m a year. You're not thinking, you're just carrying on.
Steve Cohen better please the fan base if he doesn't wanna see empty seats , don't know what you saying , did he not promise the fan base a world series in 5 years , cause this line up is not scaring anyone ,what bat is gonna hit in front or behind soto , mets need another huge bat I am sorry , Alonso getting disrespected by Cohen and Stearns, penny pinching is right ,
Ryan did you say you feel so bad for a man being offered 70 million dollars to work 230 days a year for the next 3 years
This is on Pete, he was offered an extension of 7/158 and rejected it. then was offered a market value deal per his position and again he rejected. Let's be real here for sec. Pete is not worth 30m+ a year, he's not worth more then freeman, Olson and Harper and even Vladdy. Pete got a fair deal for his position. Pete also has no market...This is a business you need to take the fanboy thing out of shit....Homegrown or not, This is all on Pete.
Ryan, this is a bad look ? Well, maybe, but but now you're making an emotional / moral crisis type argument. I am old enough to remember when this team did not have very highly capitalized ownership and it was while free agency was AT BEST in it's infancy. You want to talk about penny pitching? I remember how much it hurt the fans when Tom Seaver and Nolan Ryan got dealt away, and although ownership didn't want to coment on it directly, everyone knew it was about money. Imagine what it could have been like back then, to BUILD around Seaver and Ryan. I have mentioned in other streams, even Stearns and Cohen have a budget. We just don't know what it is. We will get over this, especially if we wind up with Vlad Jr, and I think the financial guns will get reloaded for this acquisition.
Pete and, or his agent Scott Boras were looking for a big payday, problem is he's not as good as former MVP Freddie Freeman and they were looking to get paid even more than Freeman, say what?!
Thank You Pete for all the great years and moments! I hope something still works out, but if not, Pete’s gonna go somewhere and kill it for another 5 years! This is gonna be like a NY Giants and Shaquan Barkley situation, where we let him walk over a few million dollars. (Then he rushed for 5th best season ever!)
no.
Another sad day in Mets history.
are you really comparing alonso to soto...
Huge mistake by the Mets. I’d get it if it came down to years … if Pete demanded more than 3 years and the Mets didn’t think that would help the team. But the Mets wanted Pete for 3 years. This just came down to money. And that disappoints me. Was it a solid “business” decision? Maybe. But this isn’t just a business. Cohen is a self-avowed fan. People are passionate about baseball. Just making this a dollars-and-cents decision, frankly, nauseates me. And regarding “taking out” the considerations of “who Pete has been to the organization” and “want the fans want” from the decision process just leaves me shaking my head. The Mets would be a better team in ‘25 with Pete. That should have been the primary consideration. But, hey, Stearns saved the multi-billionaire a few million bucks here. So, .. yay?
Yeah, it’s total BS after giving Lindor 34 million a year for eight years and then giving Soto 51 freaking million dollars a year for 15 years and even Sean manaea 23 for three years,, Stern should’ve stepped up stop being so blockheaded
They wouldn’t be better in the long run. Give the money to true stars not over pay a good player on a decline.
@ With all due respect, I think that misses the point. The Mets wanted Pete for 3 years. Pete came down to 3 years. It ended up just being about money. "Give the money to the true stars no over pay a good player on the decline." It simply isn't either/or. The Mets, with their multi-billionaire owner, absolutely could pay the extra $7 mil per year over three years to get Pete AND still sign other players. As a fan, I want the Mets to put the best team possible on the field. And if Cohen pays an extra $20 mil over three years for Pete ... so be it. I'd rather that than see Baty in the lineup on opening day instead of Pete.
I think fans are in for a shock over the rest of this offseason. I don't see Bregman, Santander, or Scott getting signed. I predict Stearns will sign a couple of affordable bullpen arms and then that is the team he'll roll with come opening day. And I, for one, will feel disappointed. I hope I'm wrong. Guess we'll see what happens.
@@dashx1103 BRING PETE BACK!!!! HE FILLS OUT THE LINEUP AT THE VERY LEAST!!! Pitchers don’t pitch to him! That’s why his batting average is down! Pitchers are afraid of him!!! BRING PETE BACK!!!!That is all…
It beyond your time but it feels like Tom Seaver all over again.
Getting interior help from the minors is not the answer. It's important to get any of the hitters that are left if polar bear leaves. This isn't rocket science. You make it so complicated.
Mets are a much better team without Mr. Potato Head. His negatives far out weigh the positives. This is addition by subtraction.
We don’t have a number 4 hitter now , that’s what Alonso needs to get paid like a 4 Hitter
I always felt he was more of a 5-6, forced into the 4 spot.
He is not worth the money that he thinks that he is he has to be realistic about what he is truly worth not what his greedy agent thinks
Thousand OPS in the postseason, yes it’s a mistake
After giving Soto an ungodly amount in AAV, the Mets have decided to close the purse and treat a popular, homegrown player like Alonso like a panhandler. I know Pete leaves a lot of RISP and strikes out at a pace most sluggers do. I do not buy the fact his age is a problem. 30 years is not over the hill, and a three-year deal suits both sides. Even if the AAV of 30 million is over market price, settling the 1st Base issue and solidifying the lineup for this season is worth the extra cost. Cohen is on the verge of resurrecting the ghost of Fred Wilpon here, and this can be solved with an opt-out for both sides after each of the first two years. Alonso's replacement options leave the team with a lineup that scares no one. The 2025 team is shaping up to be below par compared to the 2024 team. Despite the addition of Soto, the Mets are not as strong hitting-wise or pitching-wise. The front office did a good job last season. They must do an even better job to save this team from a third-place finish. I've followed the team since 1962 and am not happy with this roster. They can and should be doing a better job in the front office.
@thejizzmanblewchannel
Dumping Pete would be a great move. Stearns giving two shits about your squirrely nonsense wouldn't be.
Fans need to get out of their (Pete Alonso) emotions. At the end of the day, baseball is a business. He was offered a long-term contract. He declined, and here we are. Fans are acting like Cohen money is their money.
Good stuff, Ryan!
Stearns did this stuff in Milwaukee
Losing Pete is not the end of the world, depending on who you replace him with.
Sign Tanner Scott.
Trade for Yandy/Fairbanks.
Sign Vlad next year, depending on his season this year
wouldnt mind this at all
Low ball offer, Stearns clearly doesn't want Pete
Alonso situation has been a disaster
Capitalism and the "free market" are all the rage until the market is not in your favor. Pete made a mistake not taking his deal a couple of years ago. I like Pete. I'd like him back, but he hasn't merited a bigger paycheck than Freddie Freeman. The market is the market.