My issues with this post, and Crema as a whole. 1: They claim that they called Temtem an "MMO-lite" from the get-go, but the screenshot they include literally says "Last Update june 25th". Now this could have been there from the start, could have not been. What we can say for sure is that it was at least there on June 25th... Minimum 1 month after the kickstarter went up which means A LOT of people already pledged. 2: They make A LOT of claims of how it's "impossible" for them to make certain changes, improvements, etc. Claims that we have no way of confirming. We have to take them at their words here, which is a privilege Crema has completely thrown away. Not to mention that if they are telling the truth about those claims, why do they also have to throw in the "we want Temtem to not be p2w" reason as to why they don't make DLC when people have already given them ways to work around that. I thought the reason was because it was structurally impossible? 3: They apologize A LOT in this post, but then they don't proceed to do anything the players are asking for. The only thing that they are doing is removing paid cosmetics, but they are also removing more or less all the reasons why they would need to have money coming in (new content). It feels weird to apologize but then don't change anything. 4: Shifting blame, excuses, shifting blame, excuses. They are shifting their blame on other platforms, companies, and people. It's not their fault it got advertised as an MMO, it's their partners. It's not their fault they put the MMO tag on, it's the platforms for not having the tag they would have liked. Crema can never just own up to a mistake, they have to shift blame on others. They have also made up this narrative in their head that "players are asking for infinite content forever" which is completely false. People are asking for a live-service game to keep getting updates, that is completely normal. The issue is that Crema makes updates that people are generally not that interested in. They allocate their resources to stuff that, again, people are not interested in. If after 1.0 Crema put their efforts into making a new island with new Tems instead of whatever the fuck they have been doing they would have seen A LOT more people come back and play, but according to them this is not possible. But then they also refuse to make the game offline. If the game is offline the community could make their own updates to the game and share between each other (you know like the Pokemon community does), but no this goes against what Crema wants as well. Imo this is just more Crema bullshit. They are trying to "clear their name" because they probably realized that they have made such an enemy of the community that it will haunt them for future games. Crema has used up all their goodwill of their players, and it's going to be hard to earn back.
And to a minor note I believe when tubers did sponsor videos on the game they said mmo now it could have been on the tuber but I have never heard a sponsor segment go off script
@@alexanderfletcher3375 Plus what even is an 'MMO-lite' game? That's a term I have never heard of before and I don't think is a term ANYONE has heard before. If they were trying to make it feel the same to how a rogue-lite is similar but different to a rogue-like in that it has permanent upgrades that stick run-to-run, then TemTem STILL doesn't fit as the only similarities between it and a real MMO is the 'always online' bit a well as seeing everyone that's playing. That's IT. That's the same similarities between an MMO and a MOBA, and that doesn't make MOBA games 'MMO-lites' either. It's obvious Crema's just trying to do damage control because people are complaining bout them trying to do an MMO without fully committing to it.
@@caiusdrakegaming8087 if u take the literal definition of a MMO. Yes they did it but they also unlike monster sanctuary cassette beast palworld moonstone Island or even. Coromon. There is. Nothing new and unique about. Temtem it had no. Gimmick like the ones listed and that gimmick being a "MMO" in idea only is nothing And I can technically understand that if the only idea being an "MMO" is why they won't go offline mode because it is mmo aka a live game and nothing else the world was big because it had to be
Gonna stop on the "A LOT more people come back and play", they literally said it themselves and is 100% true: People just come back, play the new content then leave again. Not worth spending months or maybe years to create a whole island with new quests, story and Temtem just for SOME to pay for it and then leave again, the game had to be engaging enough to actually have people be interested in playing the thing and Temtem never really pulled off being engaging to most people in the Monster Taming community. Better than microtransactions for cosmetics? Maybe. Making the game actually bigger than it is today? Probably not. (See Wargroove 2, literally like a big content update for Wargroove except it´s a new game, you could count it as a DLC, How it went for them? Horrible, Temtem DLC wouldn´t be any different). Random fanbases these days really wanna believe they are big or important enough, just like F-Zero fans demanding a new game and (some) hating Nintendo actual ingenious attempt with F-Zero 99 because it´s not an actual AAA game when it´s not worth it for Nintendo to make a new one when no one is gonna buy it (2 words: Mario Kart), yes even probably a million is "no one" when speaking about sales, Temtem toxic fans (just like Gym Leader Ed himself said) are the same.
Regarding point 3, it sounds like they're planning to make changes to the game, both removing the RTX and changes to the in-game economy, that will hopefully make the game feel "complete" and tie off any potential loose ends before moving on to other projects. That's a heck of a lot more than a lot of companies in their position would do.
"But that would be took much work and would not be financially feasible given the player base would log on for a bit and the player numbers would drop again" said the Crema Devs to the community. I love this game and everything about it, but the way the devs are handling addressing the issues the community have is just gaslighty at best and an about cop out at worse.
I may consider buying it that if happened. I don't want to see people that I don't really interact with as I hate PvP and I am not too fond of the breeding system.
Yeah, it's really structured like an offline single player game with MMO elements on the side Like they could have a traditional single player story and let you go online whenever you want
@@RoyalKnightVIII yeah, so many games have done this already. One of the best examples I think were the Dragon Ball Xenoverse games. They had an offline server and you could go online whenever you’d like to queue up for quests & battles, & you didn’t even have to restart to do this either like some other games
The adverts for the game referred to Temtem as a MMO. On Steam it's described as "a massively multiplayer creature-collection adventure." The foundations of the game are as an always online live-service so their intentions are clear. This letter just states that it's OUR fault for misunderstanding them. They are gaslighting us at this point.
also blaming the publisher (humble bundle) is kinda weird. like they've had a long time to course correct and were in early access. like the whole point of early access is communicating to their community and they just didn't.
They already said that it was always intended as an mmo-lite, but there is no such thing as an mmo-lite tag on steam, so they had to tag it as mmo, which is the closest describtion to what this game is
@@goldschuss2496 that wasn’t the only occurrence of mmo advertising from them. if there wasn’t an mmo lite tag, and they were defiant against being called an mmo, then they should have opted not to use the mmo tag.
I think making it like NoManSky might be ideal as well. Where everyone is launching on a single-player but can connect into online but... It's difficult to do so on offline because they really don't want people to cheat or hack the game. Which I certainly might do as well, just to get a perfect Shiny. For context for why : As I know, it takes a long time to get one of your own, on a perfect stats. I spent 1 year 6 months just to perfect one and I still haven't managed to do so and I played it everyday, for those years. They really don't want players to cheat but they also didn't provide good ways to get a perfect Shiny, by the time I quit.
@@sirmel11 You're naive if you think they weren't aware of how the media would report on their MMO monster tamer game. In the same way Palworld was "Pokemon with Guns". Pretty much every monster tamer gets that treatment.
The Kickstarter does NOT say the scope is not at the MMO scope. It mentions nothing about MMO Lite. It DOES say "Massively Multiplayer" and "Online" MULTIPLE times. Also the fact they decided maling new content for their live service game "wouldnt bring back players" despite that very thing being what players saying is what *would* bring them back and are telling potential new players that is the biggest con about starting TemTem all without actually trying or seemingly even polling their fanbase is ludicrous. Especially when the 2 biggest things that definmade me deice NOT to return and NOT to support anything crema does is 1). No new content on a live service game & no new mons on a monster taming game. and 2.). The absolute Crema had a meltdown, doubled down about it, did a "UA-camr Quality" apology, lied, continously blame the players for the failures of Crema and TemTem, and findamentally not knowing how to make a sucessful MMO (or MMO-Lite or whatever), how to make a a successful monster tamer game, or how to make a game and game community that gives a rats ass about it's players. Congrats to Crema, not releasing content and alienating fans is definitely how you NOT bring back players. I hope Crema never releases a successful game again. Nobody should support them. 😤
My understanding was that there was to be way more content added and I believe this channel covered it. The way they are handling it is what is making people mad they are gaslighting people and were being condescending. If they don’t have the money they don’t have the money don’t be jerks and we won’t be jerks
I hated how they claim that the fans wanted infinite content when all they did was steadily release the Kickstarter goals. They didn't add or expand anything off of that. That's a misrepresentation of your fanbase if I have ever seen one.
@@_Rhatsody At the 1.0 launch they stated that with the MTX that was being implemented it would allow them to develop further content, even Tems and Islands it was stated that they would not do for the foreseeable future, with a big emphasis on the foreseeable part because every time anyone would point out about that one dev or the CM would always say: "We said for the foreseeable future, it's not set in stone". Fans didn't gaslight themselves, devs were always very vague about the future of the game and their promises to allow then to do exactly what they are doing right now: Blaming on the community. The discord is already a "positivity heaven" for then again with people defending the studio and complaining about anyone that point out the flaws in their logic.
"We HEARD you talking about things you wanted as a community" They heard us, they just didn't do anything about it though. Sad that there was such a disconnect. Had multiple instances of Devs being rude in their discord or steam discussions as well. Temtem couldn't succeed during a time where we got Pokemon Scarlet and Violet which ran at 10FPS. A shame.
They didn't do anything about it. Except showdown. And soulbinding. And like 4 iterations of training grind reduction. And background queue. And cross progression. And hold to run. And tem+. And trade house. And teleports. And evershifting tower. And telomere split. And radar rework. And showdown lumas. And literally dozens of smaller tweaks that were explicitly added because we asked for them. It's ok to dislike the game and it's OK to dislike Crema, they're far from perfect. But the claim they didn't listen to feedback because not every single demand was implemented is either dishonest or obscenely uninformed.
It’s important to know that they are only doing this to salvage sales on their new game because they are staring down the barrel of financial disaster. And they keep saying that they won’t keep supporting the MMO so buy Swarm please. And yet they still don’t get no one wants that. They want you to do the things you refuse to do which is support your main franchise. If you won’t sell the IP so someone can and get out of the game development business. I hope the community holds the line and doesn’t buy swarm to send the message clearly to them that disregarding your IP and community has repercussions. Even if it leads to the end of the game it’s a message to all future developers that gamers are starting to get smarter to these MTX live service cash grabs that refuse to be live service.
Boieee I know i aint buying that Swarm Foolishness. They drop the ball on a Great MMO & took the Desperate Dark path instead of listening to the fans and community. All we needed was new quests & tems every so often
@@primeusz224 lets be honest it never had the playerbase to support being a MMO, even when we were still getting new tems/islands. there was no reason to further support it if they players werent there
@@BrutalFelix82 well they killed their chances at having a playerbase when they launched the game and it wasnt an actual MMO. I remembering begin EXCITED for the game and then it launched and it wasnt a real MMO so I never bought it.
@@kreenbopulusmichael7205that's yours and other people's fault for not reading their Kickstarter details 🤷🏿♂️ crema delivered on almost everything they stated minus the arcade mini games
@@kreenbopulusmichael7205 it was never going to be a "real" mmo, they said so in their kickstarter back in 2018, people just see the word mmo and think wow/gw2/eso tho and dont actually read anything
if they lower the damn ingame cost of the cosmetics(not the microtransaction ones) Id might play but between the awful leveling up evolution system and not being able to buy any clothes i stopped playing after about 6 hours.
Right, literally all they'd have to do is change some numbers around and it would get rid of so much of the painful grind. With breeding, with cosmetics, with home decor...it can't be difficult to change. I would enjoy it way more. Instead they just grinded all of the fun out of it and I moved on ages ago. Newsflash. A game should be FUNNNNN 😮😮😮
they're out here charging $20,000 for a hoodie that ain't even cute. Not even the fucking first cosmetic store you can find in literally the first area is affordable by any reasonable measure. even if you didn't spend a single bit of the money you got up to that point, you still couldn't come close to affording the cheapest item in the first available clothing store.
@@MsMoonDragoon I got it during early access, and that stuff threw me off when I first saw it. Especially compared to the money we were getting at the time from battles. That's why so many players stayed in the same clothes, given for free to everyone. Them prices were wild.
this, they fucking make the MMO economy and backpeddle on everything else. if they made it like a normal monster tamer when it came to this I would not have bitched about this game for as long and as hard as I did, especially the damn breeding system.
I was one of the stress test players back on the discord when the game was still early access. I remember a moment when the Crema Team had to to take the server down because they had being testing and fixing the sever for 12 hours straight and had to eat take out in the office. You could really feel the excitement and joy in the team via their message's on discord to the community on how the test was going so far and how happy they where with the player base being here with them. I feel I need to bring this up to show how strong the community felt about the Crema Team as a whole and that, THIS LETTER IS NOT from the "Crema Team" but reads as if straight from the CEO's mouth and it comes of like he hates TemTem community just like he proved before. More then half this letter has a question about new content for the game that's followed with "we can't do this because it cost money." just read how many times "technical debt" comes up when asked about new content. It just reads like he HATES having to put more money into this game that he views as complete his "MMO Lite" to the point where you question if the game had made the cash would he be so mad at the fans? would the technical debt matter as much then? I think the part that piss me of personally are the parts where when ask why not add new islands and Tems to this "MMO Lite" game we get "We didn’t create Temtem with the idea of expanding its limits forever." and "Anything you add to a game that wasn’t included in its bases, and anything you change on the go, adds to the technical debt of said game." like it's our fault that we ask for new content in a online game "The Crema of the past, who designed Temtem to be a finite, yet endlessly enjoyable online world, and this prevents us from being able to expand its limits to the points where everyone would be satisfied." What is prevents you form expanding your limits? it's $ btw as that's all the CEO cares about in this letter proves.
Of course money is a company's top priority. Were you born yesterday? If they run out of money then they go out of business, the game dies, and people lose their jobs.
Any online only game is either an mmo, or a game wanting to monitize like one. Their only two options if they want to save their rep are add an offline mode, or maintain their game like an mmo
I am sorry. As a person who was around during the kickstarter, various alphas,etc. The narrative for an MMO lite was largerly scoffed at by the devs. Before the alpha was done, there were pages of post from the team promising the moon. Doing so just to justify the high price point future non alpha/beta player would have to pay on launch. Many players felt if the game was considered just a solo game with few online features then a smaller price point would be fine. Everyone wins. They made it clear that new big island content would be a regular thing and would justify the higher initial price point and the battle pass. They listed feature after feature after feature that was coming. Most of which was never delivered. The player base largely, and rightfully, felt scammed and left. They saw few were playing and fewer were liking. So they hard pivoted away to different project. Make. No. Mistake. Crema is a small Spanish company that wants AAA prices and spending from its players. They, in return, are a small indie team and have no ability to produce the amount of content they are charging for. 20 Dollars worth of barely AA content for 60-70$ plus 10-15$ battle pass. No. I am done with Crema.
if they didn't wanna call it a fucking MMO and wanted to clarify this shit they could have stepped in on both forums and their own discord server when me and others like me complained about the EXP and Pansun grind back when Kisiwa was fresh and people literally said it is done intentionally to grow an "MMO economy". this is why I expect this game to do proper live service updates: they had a fucking battle pass and they designed a lot of mechanics around being an MMO outside of being always online. don't fucking gaslight me Crema then quietly throw your game in the trashcan because you got called out.
don't lie Crema, just say "yeah, we wanted this to be an MMO and we tried and failed to bank on PvP pandering against the majority of the playerbases cries, and we were wrong". that is all I wanna hear, that you fucking admit you were wrong Crema, and this was a dumb design philosophy.
It's funny how they are gaslighting people to shift the blame from themselves to the community and some people are already falling for that, this statement just proves two things: incompetence and mismanagement. They gave a lot of excuses which people suggested alternatives in the past two years and even some devs acknowledged but they still will never try to implement, people said since 1.0 that they would drop the game on the instant they finished the kickstarter goals, which they are doing, all of the "content" that they point out it was added into the game are minor content that were mostly released on 1.0, which should also have all the Kickstarter goals to begin with, the game was basically in a early access until the last Kickstarter goal drops. They are talking like if we should drop on our knees and be grateful that they did their jobs as a game studio that used the "massively multiplayer creature-collection adventure" marketing a lot to justify a lot of things but didn't fulfill anything related to a live-service game, in their own statement they contradict themselves and is just basically a huge excuse of "We are dropping the game because we want to make a sequel and we probably can make more money with the sequel". DLC is pay-to-win? People suggested ways around that. Expansion don't make sense with the lore? And what about the sequel them, how would this make sense with lore? And finally they made this narrative in their head that "players are asking for infinite content forever" or that "players would not come back with new Tems/Islands and would not be worth to develop them" which is completely false. Their own metrics don't make sense since while they are doing nothing there is less and less player retention, and the 1.0 showed that new content will bring a lot of new players.
Ya they really made it seem like this was going to be a long term live service game with continuous updates, than only pushed battlepasses with cosmetics and almost no real content. saying its a story driven more solo game just doesnt fit with the way the game presents itself. Huge miscommunication on their part if this was the always the plan
@@lilylunamoonytWe want more pve content. You know the stuff that the main game was about and their main selling point and marketing? I don't remember the main selling point of the game was having pride flags or whatever Season 6 was ...
@@astrotravelin2166 yea, but the story is completed, and season 6 and the pride stuff is still more content, complaining about it is just gonna do nothing but make the devs think they shouldn't do updates cuz complaints set unrealistic expectations which kinda overshadows the good parts of the updates, or something along that line
@@lilylunamoonyt Well the thing is what you did to draw people to your product, you need to keep doing it or else people will leave. Crema didn't do a good job of that a lot of the times. I left Temtem because I felt like the endgame had nothing for me. People were vocal about the type of content they wanted which was more pve(more tems and islands) because that is what it would take to keep them around. It's their game so obviously they can do whatever they want and focus on whatever but people will leave if there is no content that interests them. Which has happened. As someone that bought the product I have a right to express what I want out of it. It's not complaining at all.
@lilylunamoonyt players like you are the issue with these live service style games, they want people like you to defend their shady business practises and gaslighting the comminity who only wanted pve additions from the get go, yet they ignored all of this for the pvp side which the majority of the comminity voice loudly they weren't interested in. You sound like the people that still defend bungie for destiny 2 to this day even though there seasons have been copy and paste garbage since witch queen. Expect better or this mediocre shit is all we'll ever get.
"Its not MMO but you ALWAYS need to be online and you DO see a lot of people online" -Crema, the id1ots Shouldve just kept it solo player...like Palworld...
0:35 part of the reason why I HAVEN'T considered coming back is because there are no large scale updates. 1:50 "Is Temtem an MMO", I'd say barely, they forced MMO grind, etc., onto a single player game given their unwillingness to do any real major updates be they paid expansions, or whatever, this has particularly harmed the breeding system, as you have both massive costs to gurantee the highest stats from each parent stay AND the fertility system, and that particular combination as someone who enjoys breeding and raising monsters in these types of games, hurts the system a ton, either the costs would need to be reduced or the fertility system would need to be reworked. 5:32 Unless the DLC Tems are wildly more powerful then the base game ones this would be a non-issue, TemTem is already pretty lethal for a Monster Tamer, I'd argue in some cases like when fighting General X it's harder then a SMT/Persona game, and that series could be said to be pretty infamous for it's highly lethal bosses, there are ways to keep the playing field even such as having an option to disable DLC Tems if one player doesn't have the DLC or simply just balancing them with the fact in mind that they'd also be facing base game Tems, it doesn't have to perfect it just has to be good enough to keep the playing field relatively even. 9:31 Making premnium content more accessable a well as previous battle passes accessable is a good change even if they didn't choose to remove MTX. Overall however their statement feels half hearted and like they are trying to shift a ton of the blame off themselves, with multiple narratives being spun, so I'm gonna take what they say with an entire quarry's worth of salt.
Big time agree to all of what you said. You could also even have some matchmaking option to filter what kind of content you wanna allow in fights. Don't want any Tems, Items or moves from DLC? Check a box or two about content to filter out and exclude for the fight and your good. And the fact they're so concerned about that balance and meta, which only matters in PvP, shows they still don't understand which areas of the game the fanbase wants more love and attention. Their PvP just isn't that popular, no matter wh!t TemTem wants it to be, and the biggest reason the PvP content got much attention was because it was the only new content they were feeding us and they were force-feeding.
I appreciate your coverage of the whole situation. Much better info than I can find through their reddit and I don't have the time to sift through all the sources in my limited time. Thank you.
So just think about it this way what would have been added outside the kickstarter goals & demands from the community? an empty ass game with super long grinds. past 1.0 when everything was supposed to be dropped..... there would be nothing. you cannot say ohh we did all this stuff you required, its cause of these add ons that we are unable to make more content. they were literally ok with the game updates being delayed over & over cause it just let them string along players for longer allowing their mtx store to keep going.... they never planned to create content past the kickstarter goals in the first place, but kept the mmo tag & kept telling players the mtx funds were being put back into the game....well apparently not...cause the game is not getting any sort of new content & is being dropped lmfao they have 0 respect
Exactly what I always point out, the 1.0 was the biggest bait to new players, the game didn't had all the content, just the story was completed, at the maximum the kickstarter content should be delivered at 1.2 or 1.3. People also never asked for infinite content, just better endgame and some PvE content, even if it would take time to be released, they are trying to gaslight everyone and sadly they are getting some people.
The game is basically dead as a live service, and it's so fundamentally flawed it's basically unfixable without commiting a crazy amount of time and money. Pretty much everything they've done since 1.3 or maybe even 1.2 has been burning money, it's more surprising they've commited to another half a year of development after throwing in the towel.
Telling the consumer of your product "you're all wrong and we're right" is just horrendous PR. It seems they want all the advantages of an online service game without putting in the work. This feedback just seems to say they didn't think out how to manage and profit off this while keeping their user base engaged / coming back.
Shutup! We want it to be "casual" but we will have mtx that other "hardcore" mmos have too. It is the "fault" of the players for expecting us to do something! :D
@@thecrabman2074Yeah, but whose fault is it that the game didn't get bigger in the first place? They had one of the best starts an indie game could ask for, getting 100k+ people on launch day... They just fumbled it.
@@goldschuss2496 Yeah, the devs that were rude on discord, that took 6 months to make a camera toggle (for something that was already in the game), that banned anyone that had the minimum criticism about the game, that gaslight people left and right, surely the problem is the "MMO fanbase" not their incompetence and mismanagement.
@@sylvyboi Because they wanted it to be a multiplayer online RPG. You should be allowed to make something like that without the expectation that it's going to have the infinite content mills of other MMOs like WoW or ESO.
@@AedraRising No you shouldn't. That works for single player games, not online games. If you plan on keeping your playerbase active you gotta give them a reason to be Constantly managing your game is part of the commitment you made when you decided to appeal to that amount of active players. You should expect a demand for new content for the type of game you're putting up, or at least a solid endgame content to keep the players busy Plus both WoW and ESO have seen more days than Temtem to already have a SHIT TON of content. That was an disingenuous comparison
No sympathy from me. They made an MMO and started complaining about having to make content for it… while apparently working on at least two separate projects in the same universe. Talk about not knowing what they’re doing.
They should have pulled a Nintendo and kept supporting it through the hard times. Now it's just going to make people feel jaded towards anymore projects they work on.
Yeah, no. They are apologizing, but also not taking any blame. Seems like they realized the damage and just want to minimize it, so it won't affect their future games too much.
Honestly it seems they had the game made but in regard to postgame release and content they were hit with decision paralysis so they delayed and just did adjustments to wait out any final decisions. At least they addressed their faults and are trying to mitigate the issues that needed to be ironed out. This feels more honest response at the very least.
I mean they said it’s a mmo a mmo means content over time. MMO lite does not exist. It’s more or less just a multiplayer rpg. Like Pokémon and just happens to be in monster taming genre
Blaming PVP for no paid DLC when the overwhelming majority of the player base care about PVE is such a cop out. I don’t trust this company anymore. I appreciate the coverage you’ve given this game Ed and am glad you’ve led me to greener pastures in the genre
Too little too late ngl. It had problems since day 1, and the devs had always been awful ("Elu" was absolutely hilarious, their defense of it even more so). The fact that the game was as grindy as it was did not help.
Their stubborn refusal to even consider making an optional offline mode is genuinely baffling to me. This game has always been a good single player game (with an awful postgame, tbf, but that's a symptom) with terrible terrible hamfisting into a multiplayer liveservice predatory FOMO thing.
This isnt a real apology this is a I'm sorry you didnt understand what we meant when we advertised our game as an mmo to make sales and now that were done and dont want to add more content we are going to explain how we really meant mmo lite and honestly look at what we added for you so you should be happy with this
I really wanted to try TemTem when it was new and never got around to it. If the drama can subside and cease I may still give it a try though I'm not sure if there would even be many players. As long as the game doesn't require other players to finish whatever story there may be (effectively being single-player story) I would probably still play it. Edit: I should have said this too initially, but I would hate to buy the game for it to be shut down briefly after, that's another reason right now I don't want to buy it.
I would say, the game doesn't have anything that games like Coromon or Nexomon doesn't also have, even the battle system that people always talk about is very simply after you understand in the first completely in the first 2 hours of gameplay. You can also buy 2 or 3 monster catching games with the money that you would spend on Temtem alone.
Yeah that is definitely one thing i noticed, the game is REALLY pricey in comparison. Coromon is a great game i have yet to finish, i think i just played too much too fast and got a little burnt out. Nexomon while good, the art style kinda puts me off from finishing it i think. Though i've also been staying in areas til i catch everything i can before moving on lol. I attempted to play Cassette Beasts as well, which is fun but it's really loaded with features that are taking me some time to get used to. At this point i've kind of taken a break from the genre while i complete Pacific Drive, hoping the break will help a bit. @@exocitus8731
lol They banned me for use a macro to hunt lumas 2 years ago. After hearing this adding micro transactions into a supposedly "MMO" game I already knew the Devs were going to destroy their own game. They ruined the game by making lumas nearly impossible to hunt for an excuse for Saipark..... Yeah the same Dev team causing a split in the player base. Not surprised one bit. Not even a true MMO its just an RPG with co -op play if anything.
honestly. temtem was doomed to fail from the start. ever sense the early access, the devs constantly mismanaged the game, changing dates, taking a long time to release new islands, items, and content, etc. it really is tragic. this is what happens when you release a game unfinished. a lot of content is missing and you never know when players will come back to actually play the game when it is actually finished.
The whole point of this letter, the reddit lockdown, the new rules about what is off-topic, and the constant post deleting is to make sure you forget about Temtem Swarm, that you don't negatively review Temtem Swarm, that new community members coming in with Swarm have no idea what Crema is like. Don't let them just slip away with a successful cashgrab.
Crema is only doing this because if they don't, they're toast. Their new games will sell poorly and the studio will shut down. Aside from that, I have to say that Crema never wanted feedback to begin with. The devs constantly talked about how their vision of the game was set in stone and once everything was in place it would be great. This obviously didn't go as they planned. They never wanted any critical discussion at all really, as evidenced by countless social bans on multiple platforms (myself included). If you weren't a yes-man you were banned. You couldn't use their forums, steam discussions, discord, or in-game chat. You literally couldn't do anything but leave a review, move on, or both. The community became toxic and exclusionary by design and led players away in droves. Remember, this was a kickstarter game funded by the players, released as EA (used for feedback from the community before full release), and even then the devs were way up on their high horse telling everyone that they don't know shit about shit in PR speak. ALSO Them saying that adding new content to their game is too much, but making two totally new games is not??? What? And good on your for spotting that their dlc excuse doesn't fly when the pvp mode could easily allow anyone to use the tems without actually owning them in the game. Something must be seriously wrong with their code to not be able to add onto it at all. I think they saw TemTem as a sinking ship and decided to just let it slowly die while they worked on other things, stringing their playerbase along. Please don't get it twisted, this statement isn't them taking accountability. Crema had the MMO tag for four years despite, even back before full release, a metric ton of players saying they should change the tags. I was one of those people. It literally took their community fizzling out entirely for them to do anything because if they want to sell their new game(s) then this statement had to happen. It's a pitiful last-ditch effort to rake up sympathy and praise for doing what they should have done from the very beginning.
Idk for me on the one hand I'd really like to give Crema the benefit of the doubt and trust that they really have learned and regret their previous interaction with the community. I think Temtem did truly have a lot of squandered potential and there were a lot of good ideas involved in the making of Temtem. I'd like to believe that Crema has what it takes to create a wonderful gaming experience. But I just don't like what I'm seeing from Crema and I don't think that I can give them the benefit of the doubt. Pokemon had earned it's status before it started burning me, but Temtem hasn't. What I see was a company cashing in on a golden opportunity when Pokemon was struggling and making bold promises then backpedaling on promises and after overreacting and lashing out at its own community. Not only that but they've made it very clear that the only thing that matters in the end for Temtem is what their vision was for the game which is just...a weird vision with weird endgoals. As far as they're concerned Temtem is done and they never intended to really support it beyond this point, but added paid features to make the illusion that actual future support could be possible. I don't know anything about the costs accrued versus the work they have to do when providing new content or what kind of profits they are making, but I know that the model they have is just not a good model. They come out the gate with an MMO that they can't afford to run and then reclassify it as an MMO-lite after they had already received a good chunk of funding. It's a bad look. Maybe they should have started with the smaller games first and worked up to an actual MMO or this grand vision that they apparently have for Temtem 2. But we all know they would not have made the money we know they made had they not cashed in with big promises while Pokemon was really struggling and people were not as aware of alternative options and less really good options existed. There's literally no reason for me to play Temtem when I can just play Cassette Beasts for half the price and not feel like I'm being annoying to a developer because I have no complaints about Cassette Beasts other than where has it been all my life and why isn't there more of it? Crema REALLY screwed themselves with those passive aggressive (mostly aggressive) remarks from the CEO. Backpedaling is never a good look. Again, I fully believe the community can be toxic as all get out, but you don't see Disc Creatures, Cassette Beasts, Monster Sanctuary, etc get flak because they're actually good well made games that understand what they're trying to accomplish and who they're trying to appeal to. Crema doesn't understand the community and can't concisely convey what they want to accomplish. Communication is just really off. The thing that really gets me is that Temtem would be pretty good as an offline story experience with the postgame content if they cut down the grind. They could add online co-op if they want as that would help it stand out. 100 hrs of content is nothing to scoff at. It's unfortunate that 50 of those hours are spent doing boring grindy activities that don't feel rewarding enough. If Crema would just listen to what people are saying they could have made a good game. Instead they've just made a big confused mess out of something that had a lot of potential. Why should I continue to support them if they have no intention of providing an experience that I am interested in?
It's fine, another company will see a game like temtem, then look at palworld, mix the formulas, and we end up with a better game down the road. I played over 2000 hours in temtem before the game released and somehow, it got worse after live than it did during alpha. Temtem is still a good buy for a playthrough but unfortunately it doesn't have a rewarding end game that makes me want to continue beyond the storyline. Also...Tales of Taroria drama yesterday... =)
The most telling part of their nonsense post is the “trust us bro” about offline. If they intend for us to always be able to play then why isn’t offline a focus for them now? I wouldn’t trust these people to throw out my trash. Let alone give us the game offline. They had MtX and battle passes to fund what exactly? Apparently nothing. It was just to milk money, as actual games tend to funnel some of that into you know… actual content updates. These devs are terrible and the sooner they bankrupt the better. :3
This announcement from them annoyed me so much, I contacted the advertisement regulators in my country about them and their advertising switcheroo they're pulling here. So we'll see how that goes.
I stopped playing TemTem halfway through due to the difficulty curb, specifically the EXP grind was just far too slow for my liking. There is slow exp gain, but then there is S L O W exp gain, which is what it felt like playing TemTem, has it changed at all?
I bought the game back when Sword and Shield had just come out and been a huge disappointment, at least to me. Mostly it was a way to demonstrate with cash that I wanted something better. I have barely touched it since those early days and keep telling myself I should try it now years later, but I keep forgetting. This is fascinating as someone who has the game, but no real stake in any of it.
If they do remove all microtransactions, that removes all my expectations for them. The game could be left as it is, and it would just be a bad game. It's ok to make a bad game, but if you charge insane prices for cosmetics and have a battlepass, I expect you to constantly add and improve the game. Without those, I have no expectations. However, I believe the only reason they are removing them now is because the backlash was too much, and the whales were already dwindling. They admit the servers are cheap. This feedback on the fomos shop isn't new, but they decided its important enough now to act on it.... curious. Additional note: they claim Swarm was not originally meant to be an arcade game, and I believed them. But now that they claim they will have a lighter version in the arcade bar because "they started to believe the accusations themselves" and it will like be out in a patch or two... curious.
I never managed to get into the game. The level design was pretty bad with the routes feeling barren and long for no real reason. The grind was horrid, and the combat got stale fast. This being said, it sucks to see that the devs don't really care about this game- or that's at least the impression I got from this statement. They basically seem as if they were chasing a trend, marketing the game as an MMO until they decided that an MMO was too much money and work to actually make. They effectively admit in the statement that TemTem was basically a way for them to get money for their next ventures, and nothing more. That it was them making money in order to help fund a bullet heaven game that no one wanted, or the next game that's being worked on at the moment. This is probably the last time I'll purchase a Crema developed game. The devs really aren't honest with the community, and its been this way since the start. Especially given how they handled the discord and the bans of some of their members.
Wow this is a lot to take in XD Crema really out here apologizing after everything. They admitted to some stuff which is great, but kinda too late for that now as people have been addressing this issue for so long. Oh well, Thank you for informing us as always Gym Leader Ed! ^^
It's a good thing I haven't played TemTem yet. I do want to play the game someday, and I don't hate TemTem in general. Although, I would feel more comfortable to wait until things get fixed and that there's no more controversial drama about it. I may not always mind MMOs or being required to having online connections to play anything. Yet, if I want to play something without engaging in Online PVP or doing anything that uses Wi-Fi, then I have a choice. An offline mode for TemTem would be the only request that I would be truly grateful for. Even if I and many other people would rather be content with just this one request, is it really too much to ask?
Crema gaslighting continues. I'll never support another product of theirs, and while I'll still watch/support your videos, I really could not care less about TemTem and the drama that has surrounded this game/developers for YEARS.
I think the argument about the DLC is actually very solid sure they can get around it with temtem showdown but as a competitive doubles pokemon player having to deal with urshifu (a pokemon that was added in the isles tundra dlc for sword and shield but can also get in scarlet and violets teal mask dlc) Feels like pay to win bullshit. So I get it 😂
If the QoL updates and changes to the in-game economy address my biggest concerns with the game, namely the incredibly stingy amount of resources I had access to early on, I may actually return to the game and give it a chance. Hopefully there's an option to reset my character and start over from scratch somewhere.
that paid DLC gap thing is a straight cop-out lol. pokemon does the samething when their is new DLC you cant catch em but you can trade them. that dont even make sense to not add it cause of paid DLC
I mean Temtem being somewhat of an mmo is the worst part of it. I only care about the single player aspect and don't want to be locked out of content due to forced multiplayer aspects. Hopefully whatever they do next is more solo play friendly.
MMO-Lite, as in - ”we are gonna make the game as grindy as heck and will also add tons of battle passes, microtransactions and paid currencies, but no actual big updates to support the game, no, that’s requires effort after all”
Builds a community and creates expectations based on the early access update cadence and promise that the archipelago was an ever changing place. What we got was an always online/micro-transaction filled/currency starved creature collector with an surprising amount of focus on pvp and not much else once you got to end game. But remember. Its the communities fault for consuming content too quick and not sticking around for pvp “lazy excuses for content” that takes insane grind just to get started and so few ways to make pansuns that it’s STILL an extremely sore spot amongst fans. Embarrassed doesn’t even begin to describe how this CEO deserves to feel.
I feel their business management was so poor through the years. The early access was cool, made a lot of noise, but was so short and had so many problems related to the economy and MMO aspects. They weren't honest with their expectations with the game, they saw the community grow around an specific desire and did nothing about it. The game only felt complete after last island's release and it took YEARS with the game increasing in price with every update (in my country the game is hella expensive for what it offers). Monetization was a shame. The IP was so good, the Tem designs are amazing, the story was legit interesting yet they managed to lost it all. The community lost faith in the IP and in Crema as a studio and this is so sad. Also, the excuses they gave for not making more content felt so lame and bs. I feel very angry and frustrated because I trully loved this game, but now I just feel deceived.
MMO-lite is such a slimy way of describing what was actually, "we made a decent Pokemon-like game and then shoved it into the MMO format with little to zero thought about how that would actually play out." Honestly, I really wish that TemTem had a single player offline version of the game. It has never made sense for it to be an MMO. And that is like issue 1 of 12 of this response.
i think crema's trigger happiness on the censorship button needs to be punished, i don't really care about most of the reason for it, i just want to see actual consequences for specifically this attitude from them
Wowwww so they dont want to make new content because players playyyy the game?? How about they just a decent grindable system. All MMOs have drops and spikes in players.
Ok this is mostly great, but: >no offline mode >’mmo-lite’ model is now even less sustainable. I’m worried. They should make an offline mode in a 1.8 update. That way it could potentially alleviate server costs to just people engaging in online features. Many MMO-lite games do this with an Offline/Online toggle. I’m excited for Temtem Swarm though.
Server costs are minimum, even the game director said that multiple times, if you even look at AWS servers costs (which most indie studios use) with 2k you can pay for 5 years of servers costs easily, sometimes even more, server costs are just heavy if you are having 200-300k+ people, the maximum Temtem reached was 30k with the normal right now being 200-300. They don't want to make a offline mode just because it would be more work for them and I will say that they will probably drop the game in the future, killing the servers, without making a offline mode and just claiming that they don't have the money to do so.
I will not buy any of their future games let alone other possible products or even consider if they were a selective handfuld of studios/devs left in the world because this is just disgusting and outrageously disappointing behavior
Appreciating the change of heart. But it's too late for me. People like me were asking for things to change for months. And little happened. Yet, I'm happy for the remaining players. Because Temtem is a good game after all.
As someone who plans to make their own Pokémon style game, this really upsets me. I feel like the fans are going to have so much trouble trusting my game’s kickstarter.
These Spanish devs are basically trying to make a franchise out of temtem. Just like France's Ankama games with Wakfu and Dofus. I 101% regret buying 2 copies of Temtem, one for me and one for my wife...
The story of this game is tragic. I admit I am not a big fan of MMO’s but I also would have loved an MMO in the vein of pokemon. I was ready to buy this game last year only for several people to tell me not to buy it in spite of the positive reviews I was seeing. Keeping up with the news about this game really hits it home that it’s been a massive disappointment for so many. What a shame…..
The game is fine. The problem is that the devs expected too much from the playerbase, offered too little to the playerbase, and then got huffy when the playerbase called them out on it.
For me the way to go, was to create another end game isle like the last one, for more content in the game, and go ahead to get more temtems in 1-3 updates. And check if the community goes with that... but they do literally full 120% all in, in pvp so... they fail because of that, because get temtems and make it strong is no that fun, so it was a bad idea all the time, they need to get the pve and pvp at same lv
I actually just bought this game because it was on sale for $18. I am really really enjoying it as someone who played Pokémon competitively but I understand why the community is upset. No way I would’ve paid full price for this when it came out.
I gave Temtem a shot early on. Grinding was slow, the mons were honestly less interesting than other creature collectors and overall the game was boring to me. The economy was also shit when I quit. I'm still of the opinion that banning players regardless of reason should get them booted from Steam. Very strong stance, but if someone really cheated and they wanted them out of the online then make their account offline and only allow them to interact with the content in it's base form without online interaction. At that point, they can do whatever they want and they won't screw it up for the hardcore fanbase. They added so many grindy elements that just didn't need to be there like the fertility to prevent players from getting overpowered mons easily. Very dumb in my opinion, especially since fertility was also a trait that was passed down. In other words because parent had babies galore, the last child has no fertility. What a weird and stupid mechanic. They even removed fertility enhancement items from the game because they were "too OP".
My issues with this post, and Crema as a whole.
1: They claim that they called Temtem an "MMO-lite" from the get-go, but the screenshot they include literally says "Last Update june 25th". Now this could have been there from the start, could have not been. What we can say for sure is that it was at least there on June 25th... Minimum 1 month after the kickstarter went up which means A LOT of people already pledged.
2: They make A LOT of claims of how it's "impossible" for them to make certain changes, improvements, etc. Claims that we have no way of confirming. We have to take them at their words here, which is a privilege Crema has completely thrown away. Not to mention that if they are telling the truth about those claims, why do they also have to throw in the "we want Temtem to not be p2w" reason as to why they don't make DLC when people have already given them ways to work around that. I thought the reason was because it was structurally impossible?
3: They apologize A LOT in this post, but then they don't proceed to do anything the players are asking for. The only thing that they are doing is removing paid cosmetics, but they are also removing more or less all the reasons why they would need to have money coming in (new content). It feels weird to apologize but then don't change anything.
4: Shifting blame, excuses, shifting blame, excuses. They are shifting their blame on other platforms, companies, and people. It's not their fault it got advertised as an MMO, it's their partners. It's not their fault they put the MMO tag on, it's the platforms for not having the tag they would have liked. Crema can never just own up to a mistake, they have to shift blame on others. They have also made up this narrative in their head that "players are asking for infinite content forever" which is completely false. People are asking for a live-service game to keep getting updates, that is completely normal. The issue is that Crema makes updates that people are generally not that interested in. They allocate their resources to stuff that, again, people are not interested in. If after 1.0 Crema put their efforts into making a new island with new Tems instead of whatever the fuck they have been doing they would have seen A LOT more people come back and play, but according to them this is not possible. But then they also refuse to make the game offline. If the game is offline the community could make their own updates to the game and share between each other (you know like the Pokemon community does), but no this goes against what Crema wants as well.
Imo this is just more Crema bullshit. They are trying to "clear their name" because they probably realized that they have made such an enemy of the community that it will haunt them for future games. Crema has used up all their goodwill of their players, and it's going to be hard to earn back.
And to a minor note I believe when tubers did sponsor videos on the game they said mmo now it could have been on the tuber but I have never heard a sponsor segment go off script
@@alexanderfletcher3375 Plus what even is an 'MMO-lite' game? That's a term I have never heard of before and I don't think is a term ANYONE has heard before. If they were trying to make it feel the same to how a rogue-lite is similar but different to a rogue-like in that it has permanent upgrades that stick run-to-run, then TemTem STILL doesn't fit as the only similarities between it and a real MMO is the 'always online' bit a well as seeing everyone that's playing. That's IT. That's the same similarities between an MMO and a MOBA, and that doesn't make MOBA games 'MMO-lites' either. It's obvious Crema's just trying to do damage control because people are complaining bout them trying to do an MMO without fully committing to it.
@@caiusdrakegaming8087 if u take the literal definition of a MMO. Yes they did it but they also unlike monster sanctuary cassette beast palworld moonstone Island or even. Coromon. There is. Nothing new and unique about. Temtem it had no. Gimmick like the ones listed and that gimmick being a "MMO" in idea only is nothing
And I can technically understand that if the only idea being an "MMO" is why they won't go offline mode because it is mmo aka a live game and nothing else the world was big because it had to be
Gonna stop on the "A LOT more people come back and play", they literally said it themselves and is 100% true: People just come back, play the new content then leave again.
Not worth spending months or maybe years to create a whole island with new quests, story and Temtem just for SOME to pay for it and then leave again, the game had to be engaging enough to actually have people be interested in playing the thing and Temtem never really pulled off being engaging to most people in the Monster Taming community.
Better than microtransactions for cosmetics? Maybe. Making the game actually bigger than it is today? Probably not. (See Wargroove 2, literally like a big content update for Wargroove except it´s a new game, you could count it as a DLC, How it went for them? Horrible, Temtem DLC wouldn´t be any different).
Random fanbases these days really wanna believe they are big or important enough, just like F-Zero fans demanding a new game and (some) hating Nintendo actual ingenious attempt with F-Zero 99 because it´s not an actual AAA game when it´s not worth it for Nintendo to make a new one when no one is gonna buy it (2 words: Mario Kart), yes even probably a million is "no one" when speaking about sales, Temtem toxic fans (just like Gym Leader Ed himself said) are the same.
Regarding point 3, it sounds like they're planning to make changes to the game, both removing the RTX and changes to the in-game economy, that will hopefully make the game feel "complete" and tie off any potential loose ends before moving on to other projects. That's a heck of a lot more than a lot of companies in their position would do.
Crema really should just make an offline server for TemTem. That would curb some of the backlash.
"But that would be took much work and would not be financially feasible given the player base would log on for a bit and the player numbers would drop again" said the Crema Devs to the community. I love this game and everything about it, but the way the devs are handling addressing the issues the community have is just gaslighty at best and an about cop out at worse.
I may consider buying it that if happened. I don't want to see people that I don't really interact with as I hate PvP and I am not too fond of the breeding system.
or just release a single-player build of TemTem which is all I'm interested in
Yeah, it's really structured like an offline single player game with MMO elements on the side
Like they could have a traditional single player story and let you go online whenever you want
@@RoyalKnightVIII yeah, so many games have done this already. One of the best examples I think were the Dragon Ball Xenoverse games. They had an offline server and you could go online whenever you’d like to queue up for quests & battles, & you didn’t even have to restart to do this either like some other games
The adverts for the game referred to Temtem as a MMO. On Steam it's described as "a massively multiplayer creature-collection adventure." The foundations of the game are as an always online live-service so their intentions are clear. This letter just states that it's OUR fault for misunderstanding them. They are gaslighting us at this point.
also blaming the publisher (humble bundle) is kinda weird. like they've had a long time to course correct and were in early access. like the whole point of early access is communicating to their community and they just didn't.
I called that out in my parody video
They already said that it was always intended as an mmo-lite, but there is no such thing as an mmo-lite tag on steam, so they had to tag it as mmo, which is the closest describtion to what this game is
@@goldschuss2496 that wasn’t the only occurrence of mmo advertising from them. if there wasn’t an mmo lite tag, and they were defiant against being called an mmo, then they should have opted not to use the mmo tag.
it is the consumer fault, they mentioned it before whether audience wanted something else or not
If they dont want it to be an mmo then why did they make it an mmo? Why not settle for 4 player co-op or smth...
or Arc style that can have up to 32 players
Because that wouldn’t be as marketable as “pokemon mmo”
I think making it like NoManSky might be ideal as well. Where everyone is launching on a single-player but can connect into online but... It's difficult to do so on offline because they really don't want people to cheat or hack the game. Which I certainly might do as well, just to get a perfect Shiny.
For context for why :
As I know, it takes a long time to get one of your own, on a perfect stats. I spent 1 year 6 months just to perfect one and I still haven't managed to do so and I played it everyday, for those years. They really don't want players to cheat but they also didn't provide good ways to get a perfect Shiny, by the time I quit.
@@elvickRULESI mean I don't think they're allowed to say that.
@@sirmel11 You're naive if you think they weren't aware of how the media would report on their MMO monster tamer game. In the same way Palworld was "Pokemon with Guns". Pretty much every monster tamer gets that treatment.
The Kickstarter does NOT say the scope is not at the MMO scope. It mentions nothing about MMO Lite. It DOES say "Massively Multiplayer" and "Online" MULTIPLE times.
Also the fact they decided maling new content for their live service game "wouldnt bring back players" despite that very thing being what players saying is what *would* bring them back and are telling potential new players that is the biggest con about starting TemTem all without actually trying or seemingly even polling their fanbase is ludicrous. Especially when the 2 biggest things that definmade me deice NOT to return and NOT to support anything crema does is 1). No new content on a live service game & no new mons on a monster taming game. and 2.). The absolute Crema had a meltdown, doubled down about it, did a "UA-camr Quality" apology, lied, continously blame the players for the failures of Crema and TemTem, and findamentally not knowing how to make a sucessful MMO (or MMO-Lite or whatever), how to make a a successful monster tamer game, or how to make a game and game community that gives a rats ass about it's players.
Congrats to Crema, not releasing content and alienating fans is definitely how you NOT bring back players. I hope Crema never releases a successful game again. Nobody should support them. 😤
My understanding was that there was to be way more content added and I believe this channel covered it. The way they are handling it is what is making people mad they are gaslighting people and were being condescending. If they don’t have the money they don’t have the money don’t be jerks and we won’t be jerks
I hated how they claim that the fans wanted infinite content when all they did was steadily release the Kickstarter goals. They didn't add or expand anything off of that. That's a misrepresentation of your fanbase if I have ever seen one.
There was never planned to be anything else added than what was stated on the Kickstarter. Fans gaslit themselves thinking otherwise
@@_Rhatsody At the 1.0 launch they stated that with the MTX that was being implemented it would allow them to develop further content, even Tems and Islands it was stated that they would not do for the foreseeable future, with a big emphasis on the foreseeable part because every time anyone would point out about that one dev or the CM would always say: "We said for the foreseeable future, it's not set in stone". Fans didn't gaslight themselves, devs were always very vague about the future of the game and their promises to allow then to do exactly what they are doing right now: Blaming on the community. The discord is already a "positivity heaven" for then again with people defending the studio and complaining about anyone that point out the flaws in their logic.
@@_Rhatsodywe still don't have everything from the Kickstarter
"We HEARD you talking about things you wanted as a community" They heard us, they just didn't do anything about it though. Sad that there was such a disconnect. Had multiple instances of Devs being rude in their discord or steam discussions as well. Temtem couldn't succeed during a time where we got Pokemon Scarlet and Violet which ran at 10FPS. A shame.
Preach!
That they don’t even have offline mode in their plans anytime soon shows how they don’t listen.
They didn't do anything about it. Except showdown. And soulbinding. And like 4 iterations of training grind reduction. And background queue. And cross progression. And hold to run. And tem+. And trade house. And teleports. And evershifting tower. And telomere split. And radar rework. And showdown lumas. And literally dozens of smaller tweaks that were explicitly added because we asked for them.
It's ok to dislike the game and it's OK to dislike Crema, they're far from perfect. But the claim they didn't listen to feedback because not every single demand was implemented is either dishonest or obscenely uninformed.
@@Kasandra_ This is the saddest thing I've ever seen.
@@Kasandra_ least obvious crema dev reply
It’s important to know that they are only doing this to salvage sales on their new game because they are staring down the barrel of financial disaster. And they keep saying that they won’t keep supporting the MMO so buy Swarm please. And yet they still don’t get no one wants that. They want you to do the things you refuse to do which is support your main franchise. If you won’t sell the IP so someone can and get out of the game development business. I hope the community holds the line and doesn’t buy swarm to send the message clearly to them that disregarding your IP and community has repercussions. Even if it leads to the end of the game it’s a message to all future developers that gamers are starting to get smarter to these MTX live service cash grabs that refuse to be live service.
Boieee I know i aint buying that Swarm Foolishness. They drop the ball on a Great MMO & took the Desperate Dark path instead of listening to the fans and community. All we needed was new quests & tems every so often
@@primeusz224 lets be honest it never had the playerbase to support being a MMO, even when we were still getting new tems/islands. there was no reason to further support it if they players werent there
@@BrutalFelix82 well they killed their chances at having a playerbase when they launched the game and it wasnt an actual MMO.
I remembering begin EXCITED for the game and then it launched and it wasnt a real MMO so I never bought it.
@@kreenbopulusmichael7205that's yours and other people's fault for not reading their Kickstarter details 🤷🏿♂️ crema delivered on almost everything they stated minus the arcade mini games
@@kreenbopulusmichael7205 it was never going to be a "real" mmo, they said so in their kickstarter back in 2018, people just see the word mmo and think wow/gw2/eso tho and dont actually read anything
It just reminds me of that pistachio ice cream scene from Spongebob.
"I dont want it to be an MMO!" "Then why did you make it one?"
if they lower the damn ingame cost of the cosmetics(not the microtransaction ones) Id might play but between the awful leveling up evolution system and not being able to buy any clothes i stopped playing after about 6 hours.
Wow 6 hours Is a lot😂
@@nekohido251 if your time has zero value, 6 hours is not a lot
Right, literally all they'd have to do is change some numbers around and it would get rid of so much of the painful grind. With breeding, with cosmetics, with home decor...it can't be difficult to change. I would enjoy it way more. Instead they just grinded all of the fun out of it and I moved on ages ago. Newsflash. A game should be FUNNNNN 😮😮😮
they're out here charging $20,000 for a hoodie that ain't even cute. Not even the fucking first cosmetic store you can find in literally the first area is affordable by any reasonable measure. even if you didn't spend a single bit of the money you got up to that point, you still couldn't come close to affording the cheapest item in the first available clothing store.
@@MsMoonDragoon I got it during early access, and that stuff threw me off when I first saw it. Especially compared to the money we were getting at the time from battles. That's why so many players stayed in the same clothes, given for free to everyone. Them prices were wild.
I don't care about MMO support, I care about everything being so expensive because muh economy. Charging for fast traveling, for real.
this, they fucking make the MMO economy and backpeddle on everything else. if they made it like a normal monster tamer when it came to this I would not have bitched about this game for as long and as hard as I did, especially the damn breeding system.
That’s the entire reason I never returned to the game. Every time I came back and asked it was the same
Same
Its only an mmo when it comes to lining cremas pockets.
I was one of the stress test players back on the discord when the game was still early access. I remember a moment when the Crema Team had to to take the server down because they had being testing and fixing the sever for 12 hours straight and had to eat take out in the office. You could really feel the excitement and joy in the team via their message's on discord to the community on how the test was going so far and how happy they where with the player base being here with them. I feel I need to bring this up to show how strong the community felt about the Crema Team as a whole and that, THIS LETTER IS NOT from the "Crema Team" but reads as if straight from the CEO's mouth and it comes of like he hates TemTem community just like he proved before. More then half this letter has a question about new content for the game that's followed with "we can't do this because it cost money." just read how many times "technical debt" comes up when asked about new content. It just reads like he HATES having to put more money into this game that he views as complete his "MMO Lite" to the point where you question if the game had made the cash would he be so mad at the fans? would the technical debt matter as much then? I think the part that piss me of personally are the parts where when ask why not add new islands and Tems to this "MMO Lite" game we get "We didn’t create Temtem with the idea of expanding its limits forever." and "Anything you add to a game that wasn’t included in its bases, and anything you change on the go, adds to the technical debt of said game." like it's our fault that we ask for new content in a online game "The Crema of the past, who designed Temtem to be a finite, yet endlessly enjoyable online world, and this prevents us from being able to expand its limits to the points where everyone would be satisfied." What is prevents you form expanding your limits? it's $ btw as that's all the CEO cares about in this letter proves.
Of course money is a company's top priority. Were you born yesterday? If they run out of money then they go out of business, the game dies, and people lose their jobs.
Any online only game is either an mmo, or a game wanting to monitize like one.
Their only two options if they want to save their rep are add an offline mode, or maintain their game like an mmo
I am sorry. As a person who was around during the kickstarter, various alphas,etc. The narrative for an MMO lite was largerly scoffed at by the devs. Before the alpha was done, there were pages of post from the team promising the moon. Doing so just to justify the high price point future non alpha/beta player would have to pay on launch. Many players felt if the game was considered just a solo game with few online features then a smaller price point would be fine. Everyone wins. They made it clear that new big island content would be a regular thing and would justify the higher initial price point and the battle pass. They listed feature after feature after feature that was coming. Most of which was never delivered. The player base largely, and rightfully, felt scammed and left. They saw few were playing and fewer were liking. So they hard pivoted away to different project.
Make. No. Mistake. Crema is a small Spanish company that wants AAA prices and spending from its players. They, in return, are a small indie team and have no ability to produce the amount of content they are charging for.
20 Dollars worth of barely AA content for 60-70$ plus 10-15$ battle pass. No. I am done with Crema.
if they didn't wanna call it a fucking MMO and wanted to clarify this shit they could have stepped in on both forums and their own discord server when me and others like me complained about the EXP and Pansun grind back when Kisiwa was fresh and people literally said it is done intentionally to grow an "MMO economy". this is why I expect this game to do proper live service updates: they had a fucking battle pass and they designed a lot of mechanics around being an MMO outside of being always online. don't fucking gaslight me Crema then quietly throw your game in the trashcan because you got called out.
don't lie Crema, just say "yeah, we wanted this to be an MMO and we tried and failed to bank on PvP pandering against the majority of the playerbases cries, and we were wrong".
that is all I wanna hear, that you fucking admit you were wrong Crema, and this was a dumb design philosophy.
It's funny how they are gaslighting people to shift the blame from themselves to the community and some people are already falling for that, this statement just proves two things: incompetence and mismanagement. They gave a lot of excuses which people suggested alternatives in the past two years and even some devs acknowledged but they still will never try to implement, people said since 1.0 that they would drop the game on the instant they finished the kickstarter goals, which they are doing, all of the "content" that they point out it was added into the game are minor content that were mostly released on 1.0, which should also have all the Kickstarter goals to begin with, the game was basically in a early access until the last Kickstarter goal drops. They are talking like if we should drop on our knees and be grateful that they did their jobs as a game studio that used the "massively multiplayer creature-collection adventure" marketing a lot to justify a lot of things but didn't fulfill anything related to a live-service game, in their own statement they contradict themselves and is just basically a huge excuse of "We are dropping the game because we want to make a sequel and we probably can make more money with the sequel".
DLC is pay-to-win? People suggested ways around that. Expansion don't make sense with the lore? And what about the sequel them, how would this make sense with lore? And finally they made this narrative in their head that "players are asking for infinite content forever" or that "players would not come back with new Tems/Islands and would not be worth to develop them" which is completely false. Their own metrics don't make sense since while they are doing nothing there is less and less player retention, and the 1.0 showed that new content will bring a lot of new players.
Ya they really made it seem like this was going to be a long term live service game with continuous updates, than only pushed battlepasses with cosmetics and almost no real content. saying its a story driven more solo game just doesnt fit with the way the game presents itself. Huge miscommunication on their part if this was the always the plan
But didn't they just give us shit like pride flag banners and season 6, WHAT AM I NOT GETTING HERE, WHAT MORE DO PEOPLE WANT
@@lilylunamoonytWe want more pve content. You know the stuff that the main game was about and their main selling point and marketing? I don't remember the main selling point of the game was having pride flags or whatever Season 6 was ...
@@astrotravelin2166 yea, but the story is completed, and season 6 and the pride stuff is still more content, complaining about it is just gonna do nothing but make the devs think they shouldn't do updates cuz complaints set unrealistic expectations which kinda overshadows the good parts of the updates, or something along that line
@@lilylunamoonyt Well the thing is what you did to draw people to your product, you need to keep doing it or else people will leave. Crema didn't do a good job of that a lot of the times. I left Temtem because I felt like the endgame had nothing for me. People were vocal about the type of content they wanted which was more pve(more tems and islands) because that is what it would take to keep them around. It's their game so obviously they can do whatever they want and focus on whatever but people will leave if there is no content that interests them. Which has happened. As someone that bought the product I have a right to express what I want out of it. It's not complaining at all.
@lilylunamoonyt players like you are the issue with these live service style games, they want people like you to defend their shady business practises and gaslighting the comminity who only wanted pve additions from the get go, yet they ignored all of this for the pvp side which the majority of the comminity voice loudly they weren't interested in.
You sound like the people that still defend bungie for destiny 2 to this day even though there seasons have been copy and paste garbage since witch queen.
Expect better or this mediocre shit is all we'll ever get.
"Its not MMO but you ALWAYS need to be online and you DO see a lot of people online"
-Crema, the id1ots
Shouldve just kept it solo player...like Palworld...
0:35 part of the reason why I HAVEN'T considered coming back is because there are no large scale updates.
1:50 "Is Temtem an MMO", I'd say barely, they forced MMO grind, etc., onto a single player game given their unwillingness to do any real major updates be they paid expansions, or whatever, this has particularly harmed the breeding system, as you have both massive costs to gurantee the highest stats from each parent stay AND the fertility system, and that particular combination as someone who enjoys breeding and raising monsters in these types of games, hurts the system a ton, either the costs would need to be reduced or the fertility system would need to be reworked.
5:32 Unless the DLC Tems are wildly more powerful then the base game ones this would be a non-issue, TemTem is already pretty lethal for a Monster Tamer, I'd argue in some cases like when fighting General X it's harder then a SMT/Persona game, and that series could be said to be pretty infamous for it's highly lethal bosses, there are ways to keep the playing field even such as having an option to disable DLC Tems if one player doesn't have the DLC or simply just balancing them with the fact in mind that they'd also be facing base game Tems, it doesn't have to perfect it just has to be good enough to keep the playing field relatively even.
9:31 Making premnium content more accessable a well as previous battle passes accessable is a good change even if they didn't choose to remove MTX.
Overall however their statement feels half hearted and like they are trying to shift a ton of the blame off themselves, with multiple narratives being spun, so I'm gonna take what they say with an entire quarry's worth of salt.
Big time agree to all of what you said. You could also even have some matchmaking option to filter what kind of content you wanna allow in fights. Don't want any Tems, Items or moves from DLC? Check a box or two about content to filter out and exclude for the fight and your good. And the fact they're so concerned about that balance and meta, which only matters in PvP, shows they still don't understand which areas of the game the fanbase wants more love and attention. Their PvP just isn't that popular, no matter wh!t TemTem wants it to be, and the biggest reason the PvP content got much attention was because it was the only new content they were feeding us and they were force-feeding.
Im just glad that they finally oficially admitted that the game is dead. We no longer have to huff the copium.
I appreciate your coverage of the whole situation. Much better info than I can find through their reddit and I don't have the time to sift through all the sources in my limited time. Thank you.
they sure exploded in a different way than palworld
Crema lost my support for life. They could make the greatest monster taming game ever conceived and I'm out.
They fumbled pretty hard unfortunately
@xbyte00 no way man! They're giving is a Vampire Survivors rip off it's fine!
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@@gamerbeast3616 shouldn't you be in school?
@@andrewbrock3675 careful, he is a gamer beast, who knows who is his dad
So just think about it this way
what would have been added outside the kickstarter goals & demands from the community?
an empty ass game with super long grinds. past 1.0 when everything was supposed to be dropped..... there would be nothing.
you cannot say ohh we did all this stuff you required, its cause of these add ons that we are unable to make more content.
they were literally ok with the game updates being delayed over & over cause it just let them string along players for longer allowing their mtx store to keep going....
they never planned to create content past the kickstarter goals in the first place, but kept the mmo tag & kept telling players the mtx funds were being put back into the game....well apparently not...cause the game is not getting any sort of new content & is being dropped
lmfao
they have 0 respect
Exactly what I always point out, the 1.0 was the biggest bait to new players, the game didn't had all the content, just the story was completed, at the maximum the kickstarter content should be delivered at 1.2 or 1.3. People also never asked for infinite content, just better endgame and some PvE content, even if it would take time to be released, they are trying to gaslight everyone and sadly they are getting some people.
Crema apologizing? Somebody must be messing with the timelines.
Nah just gaslighting and sidestepping
no apology. just gaslighting, gatekeeping, and girlbossing their way into financial ruin and then blaming everyone else for it.
Their live service didn't become the next fortnight so they're wrapping it up.😂
The game is basically dead as a live service, and it's so fundamentally flawed it's basically unfixable without commiting a crazy amount of time and money. Pretty much everything they've done since 1.3 or maybe even 1.2 has been burning money, it's more surprising they've commited to another half a year of development after throwing in the towel.
Telling the consumer of your product "you're all wrong and we're right" is just horrendous PR.
It seems they want all the advantages of an online service game without putting in the work. This feedback just seems to say they didn't think out how to manage and profit off this while keeping their user base engaged / coming back.
Boo hoo, we actually have to support our MMO with content and updates. Shouldn't have made an MMO, then.
“Oh but it’s a mmo lite”
Shutup! We want it to be "casual" but we will have mtx that other "hardcore" mmos have too. It is the "fault" of the players for expecting us to do something! :D
They feel it isn't worth it monetarily, if Temtem was bigger I'm sure they would continue it.
Tbf lack of content is probably the most common complaint in almost every mmo ever made. Sometimes just two weeks after a big update.
@@thecrabman2074Yeah, but whose fault is it that the game didn't get bigger in the first place? They had one of the best starts an indie game could ask for, getting 100k+ people on launch day... They just fumbled it.
We don't have the capacity to make TemTem 2 right now but we definitely have enough to make two new games and an animated series.....
I like to interview the people behind the game. Because they’re just making excuses in the apology
I'd like a Psychiatrist to do so as well. See what they can diagnose.
Their reasoning for not making an offline mode now seemed dumb.
I hope they make the feathers a lot easier to optain, cause that would actually make me go back and play some more
Make Temtem offline
Make Temtem offline
Make Temtem offline
Make Temtem offline
Make Temtem offline
This newsletter screams gaslighting. Geez I feel bad for TemTem fans having to deal with a developer like this
I feel bad for the developers having to deal with the MMO fanbase.
@@goldschuss2496If they didn't want to deal with an MMO fanbase then WHY DID THEY MAKE IT AN MMO
@@goldschuss2496 Yeah, the devs that were rude on discord, that took 6 months to make a camera toggle (for something that was already in the game), that banned anyone that had the minimum criticism about the game, that gaslight people left and right, surely the problem is the "MMO fanbase" not their incompetence and mismanagement.
@@sylvyboi Because they wanted it to be a multiplayer online RPG. You should be allowed to make something like that without the expectation that it's going to have the infinite content mills of other MMOs like WoW or ESO.
@@AedraRising No you shouldn't. That works for single player games, not online games. If you plan on keeping your playerbase active you gotta give them a reason to be
Constantly managing your game is part of the commitment you made when you decided to appeal to that amount of active players. You should expect a demand for new content for the type of game you're putting up, or at least a solid endgame content to keep the players busy
Plus both WoW and ESO have seen more days than Temtem to already have a SHIT TON of content. That was an disingenuous comparison
I just want my offline mode. Hell even if they nerf exp gains when offline i just want to play TemTem on the go so bad
No sympathy from me. They made an MMO and started complaining about having to make content for it… while apparently working on at least two separate projects in the same universe. Talk about not knowing what they’re doing.
They should have pulled a Nintendo and kept supporting it through the hard times. Now it's just going to make people feel jaded towards anymore projects they work on.
Shouldn’t have been an mmo to begin with. Runs like crap is slow as hell as a result, frustrating to play.
when I was reading the letter I just read a bunch of excuses.
Yeah, no. They are apologizing, but also not taking any blame. Seems like they realized the damage and just want to minimize it, so it won't affect their future games too much.
Honestly it seems they had the game made but in regard to postgame release and content they were hit with decision paralysis so they delayed and just did adjustments to wait out any final decisions. At least they addressed their faults and are trying to mitigate the issues that needed to be ironed out. This feels more honest response at the very least.
I mean they said it’s a mmo a mmo means content over time. MMO lite does not exist. It’s more or less just a multiplayer rpg. Like Pokémon and just happens to be in monster taming genre
Blaming PVP for no paid DLC when the overwhelming majority of the player base care about PVE is such a cop out. I don’t trust this company anymore. I appreciate the coverage you’ve given this game Ed and am glad you’ve led me to greener pastures in the genre
If your potential DLC/Tem Tem overpower the game then how about programming better and balance the new content?
they gave up on the product to make a new game called Down Below
Its crazy how they basically shutdown temtem and expect people to accept silently and still support another games that no one asks for
Too little too late ngl.
It had problems since day 1, and the devs had always been awful ("Elu" was absolutely hilarious, their defense of it even more so).
The fact that the game was as grindy as it was did not help.
Sounded like empty excuses made for money making, not said from a regretful stance.
Their stubborn refusal to even consider making an optional offline mode is genuinely baffling to me. This game has always been a good single player game (with an awful postgame, tbf, but that's a symptom) with terrible terrible hamfisting into a multiplayer liveservice predatory FOMO thing.
This isnt a real apology this is a I'm sorry you didnt understand what we meant when we advertised our game as an mmo to make sales and now that were done and dont want to add more content we are going to explain how we really meant mmo lite and honestly look at what we added for you so you should be happy with this
Yeah... I have a lot of monster tamer games, but Tem Tem never even made my wishlist.
I really wanted to try TemTem when it was new and never got around to it. If the drama can subside and cease I may still give it a try though I'm not sure if there would even be many players. As long as the game doesn't require other players to finish whatever story there may be (effectively being single-player story) I would probably still play it.
Edit: I should have said this too initially, but I would hate to buy the game for it to be shut down briefly after, that's another reason right now I don't want to buy it.
I would say, the game doesn't have anything that games like Coromon or Nexomon doesn't also have, even the battle system that people always talk about is very simply after you understand in the first completely in the first 2 hours of gameplay. You can also buy 2 or 3 monster catching games with the money that you would spend on Temtem alone.
Yeah that is definitely one thing i noticed, the game is REALLY pricey in comparison. Coromon is a great game i have yet to finish, i think i just played too much too fast and got a little burnt out. Nexomon while good, the art style kinda puts me off from finishing it i think. Though i've also been staying in areas til i catch everything i can before moving on lol. I attempted to play Cassette Beasts as well, which is fun but it's really loaded with features that are taking me some time to get used to. At this point i've kind of taken a break from the genre while i complete Pacific Drive, hoping the break will help a bit. @@exocitus8731
@@akaipandatv7194I would wait for Nexomon 3 or play something like Digimon Next Order that I think is very fun.
All i want is offline mode and multiple save slots. I love replaying these games fresh but i cant do that unless i wipe my save
lol They banned me for use a macro to hunt lumas 2 years ago. After hearing this adding micro transactions into a supposedly "MMO" game I already knew the Devs were going to destroy their own game. They ruined the game by making lumas nearly impossible to hunt for an excuse for Saipark..... Yeah the same Dev team causing a split in the player base. Not surprised one bit. Not even a true MMO its just an RPG with co -op play if anything.
honestly. temtem was doomed to fail from the start. ever sense the early access, the devs constantly mismanaged the game, changing dates, taking a long time to release new islands, items, and content, etc. it really is tragic. this is what happens when you release a game unfinished. a lot of content is missing and you never know when players will come back to actually play the game when it is actually finished.
The whole point of this letter, the reddit lockdown, the new rules about what is off-topic, and the constant post deleting is to make sure you forget about Temtem Swarm, that you don't negatively review Temtem Swarm, that new community members coming in with Swarm have no idea what Crema is like. Don't let them just slip away with a successful cashgrab.
As someone that picked temtem up recently for the same price as a meal I'm hyped! XD
Crema is only doing this because if they don't, they're toast. Their new games will sell poorly and the studio will shut down. Aside from that, I have to say that Crema never wanted feedback to begin with. The devs constantly talked about how their vision of the game was set in stone and once everything was in place it would be great. This obviously didn't go as they planned. They never wanted any critical discussion at all really, as evidenced by countless social bans on multiple platforms (myself included). If you weren't a yes-man you were banned. You couldn't use their forums, steam discussions, discord, or in-game chat. You literally couldn't do anything but leave a review, move on, or both. The community became toxic and exclusionary by design and led players away in droves. Remember, this was a kickstarter game funded by the players, released as EA (used for feedback from the community before full release), and even then the devs were way up on their high horse telling everyone that they don't know shit about shit in PR speak.
ALSO
Them saying that adding new content to their game is too much, but making two totally new games is not??? What? And good on your for spotting that their dlc excuse doesn't fly when the pvp mode could easily allow anyone to use the tems without actually owning them in the game. Something must be seriously wrong with their code to not be able to add onto it at all. I think they saw TemTem as a sinking ship and decided to just let it slowly die while they worked on other things, stringing their playerbase along.
Please don't get it twisted, this statement isn't them taking accountability. Crema had the MMO tag for four years despite, even back before full release, a metric ton of players saying they should change the tags. I was one of those people. It literally took their community fizzling out entirely for them to do anything because if they want to sell their new game(s) then this statement had to happen. It's a pitiful last-ditch effort to rake up sympathy and praise for doing what they should have done from the very beginning.
Lost my support for life. No Mans Sky has provided free support for 5+ years, no cost. The “cost” excuse is BS.
So they're basically slowly killing Temtem.. Nice.😏
Idk for me on the one hand I'd really like to give Crema the benefit of the doubt and trust that they really have learned and regret their previous interaction with the community. I think Temtem did truly have a lot of squandered potential and there were a lot of good ideas involved in the making of Temtem. I'd like to believe that Crema has what it takes to create a wonderful gaming experience.
But I just don't like what I'm seeing from Crema and I don't think that I can give them the benefit of the doubt. Pokemon had earned it's status before it started burning me, but Temtem hasn't. What I see was a company cashing in on a golden opportunity when Pokemon was struggling and making bold promises then backpedaling on promises and after overreacting and lashing out at its own community. Not only that but they've made it very clear that the only thing that matters in the end for Temtem is what their vision was for the game which is just...a weird vision with weird endgoals. As far as they're concerned Temtem is done and they never intended to really support it beyond this point, but added paid features to make the illusion that actual future support could be possible.
I don't know anything about the costs accrued versus the work they have to do when providing new content or what kind of profits they are making, but I know that the model they have is just not a good model. They come out the gate with an MMO that they can't afford to run and then reclassify it as an MMO-lite after they had already received a good chunk of funding. It's a bad look. Maybe they should have started with the smaller games first and worked up to an actual MMO or this grand vision that they apparently have for Temtem 2. But we all know they would not have made the money we know they made had they not cashed in with big promises while Pokemon was really struggling and people were not as aware of alternative options and less really good options existed. There's literally no reason for me to play Temtem when I can just play Cassette Beasts for half the price and not feel like I'm being annoying to a developer because I have no complaints about Cassette Beasts other than where has it been all my life and why isn't there more of it?
Crema REALLY screwed themselves with those passive aggressive (mostly aggressive) remarks from the CEO. Backpedaling is never a good look. Again, I fully believe the community can be toxic as all get out, but you don't see Disc Creatures, Cassette Beasts, Monster Sanctuary, etc get flak because they're actually good well made games that understand what they're trying to accomplish and who they're trying to appeal to. Crema doesn't understand the community and can't concisely convey what they want to accomplish. Communication is just really off.
The thing that really gets me is that Temtem would be pretty good as an offline story experience with the postgame content if they cut down the grind. They could add online co-op if they want as that would help it stand out. 100 hrs of content is nothing to scoff at. It's unfortunate that 50 of those hours are spent doing boring grindy activities that don't feel rewarding enough. If Crema would just listen to what people are saying they could have made a good game. Instead they've just made a big confused mess out of something that had a lot of potential. Why should I continue to support them if they have no intention of providing an experience that I am interested in?
It's fine, another company will see a game like temtem, then look at palworld, mix the formulas, and we end up with a better game down the road. I played over 2000 hours in temtem before the game released and somehow, it got worse after live than it did during alpha. Temtem is still a good buy for a playthrough but unfortunately it doesn't have a rewarding end game that makes me want to continue beyond the storyline. Also...Tales of Taroria drama yesterday... =)
The most telling part of their nonsense post is the “trust us bro” about offline. If they intend for us to always be able to play then why isn’t offline a focus for them now?
I wouldn’t trust these people to throw out my trash. Let alone give us the game offline. They had MtX and battle passes to fund what exactly? Apparently nothing. It was just to milk money, as actual games tend to funnel some of that into you know… actual content updates.
These devs are terrible and the sooner they bankrupt the better. :3
Welp. Bridges burned. Look forward to eevee expo and people who have passion and care even if theres no monetary incentives
i would love an offline tem tem game.
not all pvp content uses showdown
namely the IGT and dojo wars, so yes DLC tems would add p2w to these modes in their current state
This announcement from them annoyed me so much, I contacted the advertisement regulators in my country about them and their advertising switcheroo they're pulling here. So we'll see how that goes.
I stopped playing TemTem halfway through due to the difficulty curb, specifically the EXP grind was just far too slow for my liking. There is slow exp gain, but then there is S L O W exp gain, which is what it felt like playing TemTem, has it changed at all?
Played temtem near the end of last year. The grinding is still ridiculous.
I bought the game back when Sword and Shield had just come out and been a huge disappointment, at least to me. Mostly it was a way to demonstrate with cash that I wanted something better. I have barely touched it since those early days and keep telling myself I should try it now years later, but I keep forgetting. This is fascinating as someone who has the game, but no real stake in any of it.
If they do remove all microtransactions, that removes all my expectations for them. The game could be left as it is, and it would just be a bad game.
It's ok to make a bad game, but if you charge insane prices for cosmetics and have a battlepass, I expect you to constantly add and improve the game. Without those, I have no expectations. However, I believe the only reason they are removing them now is because the backlash was too much, and the whales were already dwindling. They admit the servers are cheap. This feedback on the fomos shop isn't new, but they decided its important enough now to act on it.... curious.
Additional note: they claim Swarm was not originally meant to be an arcade game, and I believed them. But now that they claim they will have a lighter version in the arcade bar because "they started to believe the accusations themselves" and it will like be out in a patch or two... curious.
I never managed to get into the game. The level design was pretty bad with the routes feeling barren and long for no real reason. The grind was horrid, and the combat got stale fast. This being said, it sucks to see that the devs don't really care about this game- or that's at least the impression I got from this statement. They basically seem as if they were chasing a trend, marketing the game as an MMO until they decided that an MMO was too much money and work to actually make. They effectively admit in the statement that TemTem was basically a way for them to get money for their next ventures, and nothing more. That it was them making money in order to help fund a bullet heaven game that no one wanted, or the next game that's being worked on at the moment.
This is probably the last time I'll purchase a Crema developed game. The devs really aren't honest with the community, and its been this way since the start. Especially given how they handled the discord and the bans of some of their members.
As a solo player experience i loved temtem. I don't care for the multiplayer aspects of monster taming games. Its just not for me.
Wow this is a lot to take in XD Crema really out here apologizing after everything. They admitted to some stuff which is great, but kinda too late for that now as people have been addressing this issue for so long. Oh well, Thank you for informing us as always Gym Leader Ed! ^^
It's a good thing I haven't played TemTem yet. I do want to play the game someday, and I don't hate TemTem in general. Although, I would feel more comfortable to wait until things get fixed and that there's no more controversial drama about it. I may not always mind MMOs or being required to having online connections to play anything. Yet, if I want to play something without engaging in Online PVP or doing anything that uses Wi-Fi, then I have a choice. An offline mode for TemTem would be the only request that I would be truly grateful for. Even if I and many other people would rather be content with just this one request, is it really too much to ask?
Crema gaslighting continues.
I'll never support another product of theirs, and while I'll still watch/support your videos, I really could not care less about TemTem and the drama that has surrounded this game/developers for YEARS.
I think the argument about the DLC is actually very solid sure they can get around it with temtem showdown but as a competitive doubles pokemon player having to deal with urshifu (a pokemon that was added in the isles tundra dlc for sword and shield but can also get in scarlet and violets teal mask dlc)
Feels like pay to win bullshit. So I get it 😂
My thing is though, its not pay to win because you can use the Mon in any battle
If the QoL updates and changes to the in-game economy address my biggest concerns with the game, namely the incredibly stingy amount of resources I had access to early on, I may actually return to the game and give it a chance. Hopefully there's an option to reset my character and start over from scratch somewhere.
that paid DLC gap thing is a straight cop-out lol. pokemon does the samething when their is new DLC you cant catch em but you can trade them. that dont even make sense to not add it cause of paid DLC
I mean Temtem being somewhat of an mmo is the worst part of it. I only care about the single player aspect and don't want to be locked out of content due to forced multiplayer aspects. Hopefully whatever they do next is more solo play friendly.
MMO-Lite, as in - ”we are gonna make the game as grindy as heck and will also add tons of battle passes, microtransactions and paid currencies, but no actual big updates to support the game, no, that’s requires effort after all”
Builds a community and creates expectations based on the early access update cadence and promise that the archipelago was an ever changing place.
What we got was an always online/micro-transaction filled/currency starved creature collector with an surprising amount of focus on pvp and not much else once you got to end game.
But remember. Its the communities fault for consuming content too quick and not sticking around for pvp “lazy excuses for content” that takes insane grind just to get started and so few ways to make pansuns that it’s STILL an extremely sore spot amongst fans.
Embarrassed doesn’t even begin to describe how this CEO deserves to feel.
People were seriously asking for a sequel? Or was just this the devs way of seeing if they still had a chance with the same people in the future?
I feel their business management was so poor through the years. The early access was cool, made a lot of noise, but was so short and had so many problems related to the economy and MMO aspects. They weren't honest with their expectations with the game, they saw the community grow around an specific desire and did nothing about it. The game only felt complete after last island's release and it took YEARS with the game increasing in price with every update (in my country the game is hella expensive for what it offers). Monetization was a shame. The IP was so good, the Tem designs are amazing, the story was legit interesting yet they managed to lost it all. The community lost faith in the IP and in Crema as a studio and this is so sad. Also, the excuses they gave for not making more content felt so lame and bs. I feel very angry and frustrated because I trully loved this game, but now I just feel deceived.
MMO-lite is such a slimy way of describing what was actually, "we made a decent Pokemon-like game and then shoved it into the MMO format with little to zero thought about how that would actually play out." Honestly, I really wish that TemTem had a single player offline version of the game. It has never made sense for it to be an MMO. And that is like issue 1 of 12 of this response.
i think crema's trigger happiness on the censorship button needs to be punished, i don't really care about most of the reason for it, i just want to see actual consequences for specifically this attitude from them
I'm so glad I noped out of this game on launch and got a refund after maybe 15 mins.
Wouldnt care that the devs gave up on temtem and made a new game if they let go of the temtem brand.
They want to have their cake and eat it too.
Wowwww so they dont want to make new content because players playyyy the game?? How about they just a decent grindable system. All MMOs have drops and spikes in players.
Ok this is mostly great, but:
>no offline mode
>’mmo-lite’ model is now even less sustainable.
I’m worried. They should make an offline mode in a 1.8 update. That way it could potentially alleviate server costs to just people engaging in online features. Many MMO-lite games do this with an Offline/Online toggle.
I’m excited for Temtem Swarm though.
Server costs are minimum, even the game director said that multiple times, if you even look at AWS servers costs (which most indie studios use) with 2k you can pay for 5 years of servers costs easily, sometimes even more, server costs are just heavy if you are having 200-300k+ people, the maximum Temtem reached was 30k with the normal right now being 200-300. They don't want to make a offline mode just because it would be more work for them and I will say that they will probably drop the game in the future, killing the servers, without making a offline mode and just claiming that they don't have the money to do so.
I will not buy any of their future games let alone other possible products or even consider if they were a selective handfuld of studios/devs left in the world because this is just disgusting and outrageously disappointing behavior
Appreciating the change of heart. But it's too late for me. People like me were asking for things to change for months. And little happened. Yet, I'm happy for the remaining players. Because Temtem is a good game after all.
I hope they change their minds and put some more content into the game. So far I've really enjoyed Temtem.
As someone who plans to make their own Pokémon style game, this really upsets me. I feel like the fans are going to have so much trouble trusting my game’s kickstarter.
These Spanish devs are basically trying to make a franchise out of temtem.
Just like France's Ankama games with Wakfu and Dofus.
I 101% regret buying 2 copies of Temtem, one for me and one for my wife...
The story of this game is tragic. I admit I am not a big fan of MMO’s but I also would have loved an MMO in the vein of pokemon. I was ready to buy this game last year only for several people to tell me not to buy it in spite of the positive reviews I was seeing. Keeping up with the news about this game really hits it home that it’s been a massive disappointment for so many. What a shame…..
The game is fine. The problem is that the devs expected too much from the playerbase, offered too little to the playerbase, and then got huffy when the playerbase called them out on it.
@@SageRuffinoffline mode that is all we ever asked for
For me the way to go, was to create another end game isle like the last one, for more content in the game, and go ahead to get more temtems in 1-3 updates. And check if the community goes with that... but they do literally full 120% all in, in pvp so... they fail because of that, because get temtems and make it strong is no that fun, so it was a bad idea all the time, they need to get the pve and pvp at same lv
"We believe temtem is massive, multiplayer, and online. Btw it is not an mmo"
sooo they can make more games but they cant make new updates to temtem interesting
I actually just bought this game because it was on sale for $18. I am really really enjoying it as someone who played Pokémon competitively but I understand why the community is upset. No way I would’ve paid full price for this when it came out.
The battle pass was 100% the reason I’ve never even looked at the game excited to finally check it out. Full price games don’t need battle passes.
I gave Temtem a shot early on. Grinding was slow, the mons were honestly less interesting than other creature collectors and overall the game was boring to me. The economy was also shit when I quit. I'm still of the opinion that banning players regardless of reason should get them booted from Steam. Very strong stance, but if someone really cheated and they wanted them out of the online then make their account offline and only allow them to interact with the content in it's base form without online interaction. At that point, they can do whatever they want and they won't screw it up for the hardcore fanbase. They added so many grindy elements that just didn't need to be there like the fertility to prevent players from getting overpowered mons easily. Very dumb in my opinion, especially since fertility was also a trait that was passed down. In other words because parent had babies galore, the last child has no fertility. What a weird and stupid mechanic. They even removed fertility enhancement items from the game because they were "too OP".